Time  Nick       Message
00:20 ENTS       Hey everyone, I just downloaded the koha appliance and ran the update. I am getting the producion mode trapped fatal error after loggin in to the web portal and starting the setup. Is this normal?
00:20 chris      have never used the appliance, so i dont know im afraid
00:21 * chris    installs from source of from debian packages
00:21 chris      look at the apache error logs, see what the error is
00:21 ENTS       I have a debian box ready to go for this project but I'm not terribly good with linux so I thought the VA would be easier
00:21 Steven     chris....need ur help
00:22 chris      im at work, so only if its fast Steven :)
00:22 ENTS       (late sunday work, sucky)
00:22 chris      nope 12.25pm monday work actually
00:23 * chris    has a meeting in 35 mins and needs to grab some food before then
00:23 robin      ooh lunch. Good plan.
00:23 Steven     wanna get some info about the AWS DevKey where we need to key in system pref in order to enable Amazon cover image
00:24 chris      what version of koha Steven
00:24 Steven     2.2.9
00:24 chris      thats very very old
00:24 chris      and won't work with amazon
00:24 chris      they changed their api
00:24 Steven     i got 2 version...1 is 2.2.9.....another is 3.0.6
00:25 chris      3.0.6 might, i cant recall if the changes were made there
00:25 ENTS       chris, would you recommend doing a .deb install  over the pre rolled VA?
00:25 chris      ENTS: i would
00:25 chris      takes one layer of complication out
00:26 chris      ie instead of having the VA and linux to worry about
00:26 chris      you just have linux :)
00:26 ENTS       I dont want to take your time, obviously you're busy this afternoon, could I bug you at another time to look at it?
00:26 chris      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
00:26 Steven     chris: i m confusing with the AWS key ID...is the numerical ID or and apha key ID i should use?
00:26 chris      have a look at that, that might help
00:26 ENTS       the linux still lives on an ESX box, but I get what you're saying
00:26 ENTS       ok
00:26 ENTS       I'll start there
00:27 chris      Steven: in 2.2.9 it doesnt matter, it wont work either way
00:27 Steven     how about 3.0.6?
00:27 chris      you need the AWSAccessKeyID and AWSPrivateKey
00:28 ENTS       thanks for the help chris, I need to take off but I'll let you know how it goes in a couple days
00:28 chris      both of which are alphanumeric strings
00:28 chris      ENTS: good luck
00:28 Steven     okok...and the amazon associate tag as well?
00:29 chris      yeah thats what ever you associate tag is, thats not strictly needed i dont think, but doesnt hurt to have it
00:30 Steven     icic.....i have just register with AWS...but i m not package with any product....is it ok?
00:31 chris      should be ok
00:31 Steven     bcoz i have try to key in both ID into system pref....and enable amazon in enhanced content.....it doesnt pull the image cover from amazon
00:32 Steven     but google cover images working without any issues
00:32 chris      do you have amazoncoverimages turned on and opacamazoncoverimages?
00:32 Steven     yaya...both on.....while on the amazon...i disable google cover
00:33 Steven     but it seems not working to me
00:33 Steven     weird
00:41 Steven     should i need to subscribe to any product in AWS to gain access of amazon cover images?
02:18 robin      If anyone's interested, new versions of the Koha packages are being uploaded to http://debian.koha-community.org with all the latest master-branch goodness.
02:18 wasabi     w00t, well done robin++ !
02:20 robin      and, upload complete :)
02:23 wasabi     seriously, the deb packaging stuff you are doing is such a big win for the koha-project
02:24 * wasabi   pumps fist-in-the-air like that steve.balmer video...
02:24 robin      Yeah, it'll hopefully get rid of the hardest parts of getting a koha env set up, and keeping it up to date.
02:24 robin      heh
02:25 wasabi     developers, developers, developers!!!
02:25 wasabi     w000000, give it up for ME!!!!
02:26 chilts     only if you're sweating profusely and look like a big hairy monster
02:27 wasabi     lol, pretty close.... ;)
03:32 Amit       heya chris, brendan
07:00 kf         good morning #koha
07:23 chris      morning
07:24 kf         morning chris
07:50 magnus     hiya kf, chris, hdl et al
07:52 kf         hi magnus
09:54 kf         hmpf.
09:55 chris      heh
09:55 kf         hi chris
09:56 kf         wondering ... are list price and ordering price the same?
09:56 slef       hi all.  Anyone got skype and a moment to answer a call from me in a few minutes?
09:56 kf         slef: sorry, no skype at work
09:56 kf         working on acq documentation and speaking about the vendor form
09:57 slef       I'm seeing if the sip-to-skype gateway is still up, but I don't know many skype users (understandable given the free software circles I move in)
09:58 chris      kf: yeah i think so
09:58 chris      slef: yeah no skype here either sorry
09:59 kf         hmpf. ok, so why do we have to different terms for the same thing in one form?
09:59 slef       asking reminded me that I forgot to switch my sip phone on this morning :)
09:59 kf         to = 2 or two...
09:59 chris      which form?
09:59 kf         new vendor
09:59 chris      ill go look
09:59 slef       kf: someone didn't check ODLIS before writing one, possibly?
09:59 slef       munin, odlis?
09:59 munin      slef: Error: "odlis?" is not a valid command.
10:00 slef       munin, what is odlis?
10:00 munin      slef: Error: "what" is not a valid command.
10:00 slef       munin, @roulette
10:00 munin      slef: Error: "@roulette" is not a valid command.
10:00 slef       munin, roulette
10:00 munin      *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
10:00 * munin    reloads and spins the chambers.
10:02 chris      kf: yeah they are the same thing and someone just changed one, probably when it was being translated into americanese
10:02 kf         ok, hmpf. :)
10:02 kf         I can write a patch - but not sure which is the right one
10:02 kf         Im also wondering about the tax registered thing -not sure what it is for
10:03 chris      list price
10:03 chris      you need that in nz
10:03 chris      not sure about other countries
10:03 chris      brb
10:03 kf         slef: you agree? I found list price in odlis too, ordering price not
10:04 slef       oh wait
10:04 slef       are you sure ordering price is list price?
10:04 slef       I think of ordering price = list price - discount
10:04 kf         no, that was my first question
10:04 kf         but I dont know about the difference (makes translation difficult too)
10:04 slef       I missed that :-)  I must pay attention.  kf: which file?
10:05 kf         new vendor
10:05 kf         supplier.tmpl
10:05 slef       ok, I can look in my next break... will that be soon enough?
10:05 slef       (26 mins away)
10:06 kf         no problem
10:06 kf         just let me know, so I can write a patch (or add teh difference to my documentation)
10:06 kf         I will go and have lunch - will be back in about 30 minutes
10:12 chris      i think in the context of the vendor form its the same
10:13 chris      thats how the code uses it anyway
10:13 chris      it will use the currency chosen to convert the price, then if there is tax then subtract that, then remove the discount
10:15 chris      to end up with the estimated cost, so the currency of list price and tax of ordering price are both used for the same thing
10:26 slef       I bow to chris's reading of the actual code.  Thanks chris.
10:28 chris      np
10:42 kf         ok
10:42 kf         back :)
10:42 kf         so I will change ordering price to list price
10:45 chris      interesting
10:46 kf         hm?
10:48 chris      just trying to find out when it was changed
10:49 kf         I think the ordering prices were added later
10:49 kf         and they only appear if gist is set in sys prefs
10:49 kf         filing bug for list price/ordering price now
10:50 kf         but have another question: my gist is set to 0.07 = 7% but vendor form shows 0 by default?
10:50 kf         bug?
10:53 chris      no, it allows you to set different values per vendor, if they arent set it uses the systempreference
10:53 kf         yes, but why is ist 0 by default?
10:54 kf         I think there should be no default?
10:54 kf         or the default should be the gist setting
10:54 chris      cos if its 0 it uses the default
10:54 kf         hm
10:54 chris      and why is it called gist???
10:54 kf         not sure
10:54 kf         in German its MWSt - Mehrwertsteuer
10:54 chris      in nz its GST
10:55 chris      i think someone in france mistyped :)
10:55 kf         perhaps - but gist is really old
10:55 chris      it used to be gst
10:55 kf         dont know, I know it as gist since 3.0
10:55 chris      yeah thats not really old :)
10:56 kf         no, but as long as Im around here .)
10:56 chris      it was gst up until 3.0
10:56 kf         ok, my previous patch touched the same file, supplier.tmpl
10:57 kf         combine the changes into one patch or use a new branch with the file from master?
10:57 chris      stored as gstrate in the db still, maybe ill fix gist for 3.4
10:57 chris      the latter
10:58 chris      that way one not being accepted wont block both
10:58 kf         ok
10:59 kf         hm another question
11:00 kf         List Prices or List prices?
11:00 kf         the form uses both forms... Invoice Prices are and Invoice prices:
11:00 chris      in a sentence the latter, for a heading on a form, doesn't really matter
11:01 kf         but it should be consistent?
11:01 kf         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=2420
11:02 kf         sorry, getting lost in small problems today... easier to solve than those other things on my todo list
11:04 chris      lower case p
11:04 chris      i would use
11:05 kf         ok
11:05 kf         Perhaps we need a rule for that
11:10 chris      hi nengard
11:11 nengard    howdy
11:11 nengard    magnus asked me to create an event for kohacon on facebook - this has been done
11:11 nengard    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=131876760187249
11:12 chris      if i was on facebook id look
11:12 chris      :)
11:12 nengard    i know
11:13 nengard    but others in the chanel might be on facebook - so i'm just saying :) hehe
11:13 chris      walled_gardens--
11:13 nengard    makes me money++
11:14 chris      no_respect_for_privacy--
11:14 chris      i could go all night
11:14 chris      ;)
11:18 magnus     thanks, nengard - and i know everyone is not on facebook, but i guess there is no one channel that reaches everyone... ;-)
11:18 kf         hi nengard
11:18 nengard    chris i don't disagree with you, but i have no choice - libraries want to learn about it and i want to get paid to teach about it :)
11:18 kf         nengard: List price or List Price?
11:18 nengard    depends on how other things on the page are formatted
11:19 nengard    if everything on the page is first letter caps then List Price
11:19 nengard    if not, then match the style of the page
11:19 chris      nengard: you should include this in your teaching, being responsible http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebook-timeline/
11:20 nengard    i do have a lot of links to articles on privacy already - but 'll add this one if i can find room
11:21 chris      thats probably the clearest indication there is of the move away from privacy, its pretty much all you need to read
11:27 kf         nengard: ok, thx :)
11:52 slef       yo... I'm on facebook and yes, it's evil.
12:01 kf         I hope my facebook account is now deleted - not sure they really deleted all my data
12:01 owen       They didn't kf
12:02 kf         yeah... happy I had not much information in my profile
12:17 kf         and hi owen :)
12:19 owen       Hi kf and everyone
12:26 chris      http://zesty.ca/facebook/#/131876760187249
12:26 nengard    can i just say that i love seeing all of your answering questions on the mailing list with links to the manual!! :) it used to only be me doing that
12:27 chris      http://zesty.ca/facebook/#/1022734291/feed
12:30 * chris    goes to sleep now
12:31 chris_n`   nengard: see my comments on bug 3756
12:31 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference
12:31 nengard    reading now
12:33 nengard    commented
12:56 kf         nengard: thinking about terminology - I have changed ordering price to list price in the vendor form, because slef and chris agreed it's the same and the form used list price in most places. Now I see that you enter a 'vendor price' in a new order - what to you think?
12:56 nengard    i'd say those are the same too - vendor/list/ordering price
12:56 nengard    or at least in terms of Koha they are
12:57 kf         hm
12:57 nengard    technically list price is different from ordering/vendor price
12:57 nengard    i'm just using Koha language
12:57 kf         so file a bug and suggest to change it to list price? or do  you like vendor price better?
12:57 kf         ah
12:57 nengard    i'd say vendor price
12:57 kf         not a native speaker, but fighting with German acq documentation
12:57 nengard    across the board.  the list price is the price it's supposed to be listed at - but vendors don't often charge that
12:58 nengard    but i think koha is putting that value in the same place
12:58 kf         ok, in Germany they do - we have fixed prices for books
13:00 kf         hm
13:01 kf         I just think different terms meaning the same are confusing
13:01 kf         confusing translators like me and perhaps native speakers too :)
13:04 nengard    i agree
13:04 nengard    acq in general is confusing cause of all of the different ways people talk about these things
13:05 nengard    i think vendor price might be the safest option
13:05 nengard    that says to me the price the vendor is charging
13:05 nengard    or the price the vendor has listed on their site or in their catalog
13:08 kf         ok
13:08 kf         I will try to write a bug and suggest the change
13:08 kf         writing on another bug report right now :)
13:09 jcamins    Hello, #koha
13:09 nengard    hello jcamins
13:10 nengard    time for me to log off - teaching a webinar on open source software for libraries this AM - see you all this afternoon
13:10 kf         hi jcamins
13:15 slef       I thought chris said it was the price before discounts => list price IMO
13:16 slef       but I've not read the code for myself recently (yet)
13:17 kf         slef: different page now
13:17 kf         but it's still the price before discounts, just named differently again
13:18 slef       I'm looking at ODLIS
13:20 slef       It says in "list price"'s definition "Synonymous with published price and retail price" but I suspect this might be a subtle difference between "list price" and "retail price"
13:20 slef       Creating a bug is probably a good idea, then email lists to ask about it?
13:23 kf         *sighs* more work.. I knew it :)
13:23 kf         working on 2 other acq bug reports, will try to write something up, but need comments from native speakers :)
13:55 kf         slef: bug 5062
13:55 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5062 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Acq terminology: list price, ordering price, vendor price, RRP
13:56 kf         I even found two more terms, RRP and RRT - latter is perhaps a typo?
13:59 slef       where is RRT?
13:59 slef       (looking at bug)
14:00 slef       'RRT GST Inc.' - yes, looks like it.
14:00 slef       Also, Europe uses VAT instead of GST (if I understand General Sales Tax right)
14:04 kf         slef: MWSt in German
14:05 kf         slef: RRT is in the pdf
14:06 kf         when you print your order to pdf using one of the two available layouts pdfformat::layout3pages
14:06 kf         slef: have you booked your flight yet?
14:08 kf         to kohacon - will book mine this week and it looks like I will fly from stuttgart to london first
14:09 wizzyrea   i have got to get mine booked this week too.
14:10 kf         wizzyrea: looking forward to meet you in person :)
14:10 * sekjal   is working on booking his right now
14:10 wizzyrea   I am too :)
14:10 wizzyrea   plus the spud and the hubs are coming, that should be fun.
14:11 sekjal     nice!  I'm trying to coordinate with my wife's schedule.  She's got a bunch of conferences, presentations and important meetings right around then, so it's a little tricky
14:12 wizzyrea   traveling with an almost 3 year old is tricky too.
14:12 sekjal     I don't envy you that
14:13 kf         travelling all alone
14:13 wizzyrea   ^^ I think that would freak me out more. :/
14:13 kf         yep
14:38 slef       kf: yes. priv msg?
14:43 kf         slef: sorry, was afk
14:45 slef       kf: np
15:01 wizzyrea   hmm, is it documented anywhere that the value of $OPACBaseURL should not include the http://?
15:02 wizzyrea   (if you put it in there, it breaks the "link to opac" links in XSLT intranet results)
15:03 wizzyrea   aha
15:03 wizzyrea   indeed, in the description it shows http://<blank>
15:03 wizzyrea   so it's assuming you're not adding it
15:03 wizzyrea   no wonder it's broken on my install.
15:07 kf         hm headache, leaving for today - bye all
15:07 wizzyrea   must be the day for those
15:07 * wizzyrea has one too
15:07 kf         the weather is changing
15:08 wizzyrea   it better not be going from "hot" to "hotter"
15:08 kf         just from heavy rain to sun today
15:08 * owen     thinks it would be a shame if wizzyrea evaporated
15:08 kf         @wunder Konstanz
15:08 munin      kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (5:00 PM CEST on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
15:08 wizzyrea   @wunder Lawrence, Kansas
15:08 munin      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 28.7�C (10:12 AM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Falling).
15:09 owen       @wunder 45701
15:09 munin      owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 23.9�C (11:05 AM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
15:09 wizzyrea   wow, same barometric pressure
15:09 wizzyrea   what are the odds
15:10 owen       We're barometric pressure buddies!
15:11 wizzyrea   I'm trying to come up with a witty joke, but failing miserably
15:11 wizzyrea   something along the lines of "we work well that way" or something about getting the bends.
15:11 * wizzyrea might have had only about 30 minutes of sleep last night
15:12 owen       Ouch.
15:12 Sham       Quick question for ye learned gents - > Any idea how to add tags and subtags on the Staff OPAC? I can edit the MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl for User OPAC but this doesn't add anything in Staff?
15:13 wizzyrea   try editing MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl
15:13 wizzyrea   oh, but yea, you'd have to have 3.2 for that
15:13 wizzyrea   or alphabeta or whatever it is now
15:13 wizzyrea   beta, it's in beta.
15:13 Sham       Only back on 3.06, any other file for that?
15:14 wizzyrea   mmm I don't believe staff xsl was added until after that
15:14 Sham       So I'm in trouble then!?
15:14 wizzyrea   you can try editing prog/en/modules/catalogue/detail.tmpl
15:14 wizzyrea   in intranet-tmpl, of course
15:15 wizzyrea   < tired, sorry :(
15:16 kf         wizzyrea: not sure it's only in beta
15:16 kf         Sham: check our system preference for xslt
15:16 kf         our = your
15:16 kf         ok, I am still here ... :)
15:16 wizzyrea   I thought that was added only in feb?
15:16 wizzyrea   or was it backported?
15:17 wizzyrea   rather, finally fixed in feb.
15:21 kf         wizzyrea: I am not sure, but I think there were changes for xslt in 3.0.x
15:23 wizzyrea   http://screencast.com/t/YmUwOThk
15:23 wizzyrea   I just did a search in 3.2b for xslt, these are the results I got
15:23 wizzyrea   if you have XSLTDetailsDisplay, that's the one you want to make sure is on
15:24 wizzyrea   if you don't have it, look at the file I referenced earlier. :)
15:24 wizzyrea   let us know if any of that helps you, Sham
15:24 Sham       will do....just checking now!
15:25 owen       I see the preference in my 3.0.x installation, and the xsl files, but I don't think the feature is complete.
15:25 owen       I don't see any reference to the xsl preference in detail.tmpl in 3.0.x
15:25 wizzyrea   I thought it was buggy until feb of this year
15:25 wizzyrea   but idk really
15:51 chris_n    heya cfouts
16:06 cfouts     good day, chris_n
16:23 chris_n    @wunder 2833
16:24 chris_n    @wunder 28334
16:24 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Arcadia, Hope Valley, Rhode Island is 26.2�C (12:27 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling).
16:24 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 34.1�C (12:26 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Rising).
16:25 jwagner    Hey, chris_n -- remember I was asking you about label creator date searching last week or so?
16:25 chris_n    yes
16:25 * chris_n  is trying to get his brain cooled back down from a week in the extreme heat ;-)
16:25 jwagner    It definitely has problems with 0000-00-00 date entries -- picks them up in a "date greater than" search.  I still don't know if I'm missing a patch, or the problem is with the indexing, or what.
16:26 chris_n    shouldn't zero entry dates be buggy data?
16:27 jwagner    It is buggy data, but I wouldn't think it would be picked up in the search
16:27 jwagner    When we did a SQL update & changed all the 0000-00-00 dates to something valid, they dropped out of the search.
16:28 chris_n    well, in any case, the fix is most likely just another conditional on the sql to omit them
16:28 jwagner    The label creator SQL?
16:28 chris_n    no
16:28 chris_n    that uses C4::Search....
16:28 chris_n    iirc
16:29 * chris_n  looks
16:29 jwagner    Sorry, I'm stuck at home w/limited accessibility -- can't look at much of anything myself.  Big storm yesterday knocked everything out.
16:32 chris_n    yup, it uses C4::Search::SimpleSearch
16:32 chris_n    after normalizing the dates sent in by the form, it cooks up some ccl and passes that to SimpleSearch
16:34 chris_n    its the less-than-equal-to that causes the problem I think
16:34 jwagner    So how to fix?  Maybe a "and not equal 0000-00-00" in?
16:34 chris_n    this actually could be corrected in the construction of the ccl I think
16:34 * chris_n  is no ccl guru
16:35 jwagner    Me neither.  I tried a general search using the form of the ccl from the label designer & got the same results.
16:36 chris_n    it probably needs what you suggest
16:37 jwagner    OK.  When I can get back into my dev systems I might have a go at it.  Wanted to be sure this wasn't one you'd already fixed, though.
16:38 chris_n    no, I was working on a problem involving ansi-sql date formatting
16:55 chris_n    jwagner: I can't seem to duplicate the zero date problem here
16:55 chris_n    are you searching only on the "Added on or before date" field in the item search form?
16:56 nengard    hello all regarding bug 3756 is there any reason not to submit a patch to remove these preferences from the db?
16:56 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference
16:56 chris_n    yes
16:56 jwagner    I'll try to do some more testing --  was using "added on or after date search
16:56 chris_n    nengard: not all of those prefs are depricated
16:56 nengard    chris_n - i mean the ones that Fr?d?ric didn't already move
16:56 nengard    with his most recent patch
16:56 chris_n    jwagner: I have only one item with an dateaccessioned of 0000-00-00
16:57 chris_n    jwagner: and it does not show when I search on that field
16:57 jwagner    I was wondering if I might have missed a patch somewhere.
16:57 chris_n    nengard: I would not without verifying that they are, indeed, deprecated
16:57 nengard    k
16:57 nengard    then we're at a stalemate :)
16:58 chris_n    jwagner: you could checkout a new branch from the current head and gitdiff it and the branch in question iirc
16:58 chris_n    rather just gitdiff against the master
16:58 chris_n    assuming the master is current
16:58 jwagner    OK, will try that when I can get back to my dev servers.  Thanks.
16:59 jwagner    I was trying to set up a test on my current head server, but hadn't gotten very far
16:59 chris_n    nengard: perhaps an email to the dev list enumerating the remaining sysprefs and asking those who might know to verify their obsolescence
17:00 * chris_n  would hate to remove something that someone was still depending on :P
17:00 nengard    I agree
17:00 nengard    and will draft that email right now
17:01 chris_n    jwagner: I just realized that search is probably performed against the zebra db
17:01 chris_n    fwiw
17:02 jwagner    Yeah, I was wondering about the indexing myself.  If I remember, it's searching acqdate
17:02 chris_n    correct
17:02 chris_n    I'm going to reindex and try the search again just to be sure
17:06 nengard    chris_n email sending
17:28 chris_n    jwagner: I still can't reproduce the problem, sorry
17:28 jwagner    OK, I'll let you know if I can get it to happen again.  Thanks for checking.
17:29 chris_n    no problem; let me know how it goes if you don't mind
17:30 jwagner    Will do.
18:19 chris      morning
18:20 jwagner    morning, chris
18:21 larsw      hi, chris
18:21 chris      hi jwagner
18:22 chris      heya larsw, hows the big apple?
18:22 jwagner    How go things?
18:22 larsw      chris, I'll know tomorrow :)
18:22 chris      ahh :)
18:23 chris      jwagner: stupidly busy answering rfps, but otherwise fine
18:23 jwagner    Sounds like more fun than I'm having -- stuck at home after major storm.  Power outages, downed trees, lots of fun.
18:24 jcamins    larsw: Are you in NYC?
18:24 larsw      jcamins, I will be tomorrow
18:24 larsw      jwagner, ouch
18:24 chris      jwagner: yuck .. that doesnt sound fun at all
18:24 owen       jwagner: Sounds like deja vu, too
18:24 jwagner    At least I finally got power back this morning (storm was yesterday), but I can't go anywhere until the garage door repairman comes....
18:25 jcamins    larsw: Well, at least it's only supposed to be in the low-to-mid 90s this week.
18:26 jcamins    Around 33C.
18:31 chris      only??? :)
18:32 jwagner    chris, it's been in the upper 90s and over 100 degrees F here for many days in a row.  Not fun.
18:37 jwagner    This is a year of weather extremes -- from three major blizzards in the winter (in an area that normally doesn't get any) to early and continued abnormal heat in the summer :-(
18:41 chris      yeah theres a quote in munin about that :)
18:41 owen       And then there was the time the whole city flooded, froze solid, and wolves came to eat us.
18:41 chris      worst movie ever!
18:42 owen       Wow, I didn't know I could get booted for mentioning the worst movie ever!
18:42 jwagner    Yep, it feels like the wolves are at the door :-(
18:44 chris      http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2004/05/31/the-day-after-tomorrow/
18:44 chris      gave me an excuse to read old blog posts tho :)
18:45 owen       chris: We would solve the unemployment problem in the US if we hired someone to tell everyone who needed to hear it "OI no, thats a ridiculous idea, go get some
18:45 owen       sleep and try again tomorrow"
18:47 chris      heh
18:51 owen       I would need one just for me, to tell me not to eat so many cookies in one sitting.
18:53 chris      heh
19:02 chris_n    @wunder 28334
19:02 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 35.7�C (3:02 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 8%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady).
19:02 * chris_n  hits a 40 C heat index
19:03 jwagner    @wunder 20740
19:03 munin      jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 30.5�C (3:07 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
19:04 jwagner    chris_n, you must be getting the weather we had yesterday :-)
19:04 owen       No weather re-gifting please.
19:08 cait       hi all
19:08 jwagner    I suggest we all re-gift our weather to chris -- it's winter down there, right? He'd be grateful for some warmth :-)
19:08 chris_n    jwagner: its been the same for a week or more here
19:08 chris_n    last week heat index was 116 F
19:08 chris_n    go figure
19:08 chris_n    sweat city
19:08 jwagner    chris_n, yes, same here -- I think we're at 11 or 12 days over 90 with heat indexes much higher.  Sigh.
19:10 jcamins    It's actually pretty cool today.
19:11 jcamins    Thankfully.
19:11 jcamins    The subway is unbearably hot when it's cold out.
19:22 chris      @wunder wellington,nz
19:22 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
19:22 chris      not too bad today
19:23 cait       morning chris
19:23 cait       @wunder Konstanz
19:23 munin      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9�C (9:26 PM CEST on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising).
19:23 moodaepo   @weather 56001
19:23 munin      moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 27.4�C (2:26 PM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984.0 hPa (Rising).
19:23 * moodaepo throws his hat into the ring...sweaty hat
19:24 jcamins    @weather 11105
19:24 munin      jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 30.5�C (3:25 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
19:25 chris      jcamins: http://debconf10.debconf.org/
19:31 * chris    will bbiab
19:32 wizzyrea   @wunder 66047
19:32 munin      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 31.4�C (2:35 PM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).
19:39 chris      Back
19:41 brendan    @wunder 93117
19:41 brendan    @wunder 93117
19:41 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 17.6�C (12:44 PM PDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising).
19:45 chris      wb nengard
19:45 nengard    thanks
19:45 nengard    that took forever!!!!!!!!
19:46 cait       your presentation?
19:54 chris      Her answer to your question? :)
20:01 cait       :)
20:05 nengard    cait sorry
20:05 nengard    i was getting an xray
20:05 nengard    that's what took forever
20:05 nengard    my presentation was done at 11:30am
20:05 cait       ah, hope you are ok
20:05 nengard    just a bit of pain and we're being cautious
20:06 nengard    my momma has her hips both replaced when she was 40 and that's way way too young - i have some hip pain and we want to make sure it's not happening to me too
20:09 owen       Oh no, I forgot to go home!
20:40 chris      http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2010/07/git-tips/  <--- good tips
20:40 Mathieu    Hi everyone, i'm looking for help on the patron card creator, the images seem to be resized to 72Dpi, exporting the patron image makes it pixelated. I am importing them using Patron Image in the patron editor
20:47 richard    hi
20:48 Mathieu    hi
20:51 Mathieu    Richard,  Can you help me with something? I'm running koha 3.2 and Patron images are being resized to 72dpi, printing the actual card makes the image pixelated, but the source image is 300dpi.
20:51 Mathieu    I'm guessing the server resizes them, can I manually upload images into it?
20:51 richard    hi Mathieu. sorry i'm not sure what you can do about that
20:51 richard    i haven't looked at doing patron images
20:52 Mathieu    alright, thank, i'll try to find a workaround
20:53 cait       Mathieu: I think chris_n is the person to ask about it - he wrote the patron card creator
20:53 chris      Mathieu: yeah you should be able to over write the images, once they have been uploaded
20:54 chris      i forget where it puts them
20:54 chris      ill just look
20:56 Mathieu    They are in SQL
20:57 chris      it stores the actual image in the db???
20:57 chris      eeewwww
20:57 Mathieu    looks like it
20:57 chris      i dont like that
20:58 pianohack  Likely because anytime a web application has to write to the filesystem, god gives a kitten an extremely stern look
20:58 pianohack  Seriously though, doing it smoothly and securely is difficult
20:58 chris      yeah blobs in the db are just really messy, and you cant cache them
20:59 chris      pianohack: yup we have to do it lots and lots for stuff
21:00 Mathieu    i'm wondering what's easier, uploading a custom blob or making the script look in a folder instead of the db?
21:00 chris      the latter
21:00 chris      if you just key them with the borrowernumber
21:00 chris      eg 12348593.jpg
21:01 chris      then crafting a url to that is pretty easy
21:01 Mathieu    Alright i'll go have a look at the source see if I can do anything
21:02 chris      Mathieu: it will mostly be a template change
21:04 Mathieu    chris: Where should I start looking ?
21:05 chris      circ-menu.inc
22:12 Mathieu    needed to add $image->Set(magick => 'jpg', density => 300, quality => 100); into print.pl, density defaults out to 72dpi unless set
22:13 Mathieu    create-pdf.pl*
22:14 Mathieu    never mind dosen't change anything
22:50 robin      In case anyone is interested, my process for creating the Debian packages is documented here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages
22:54 chris      cool :)