Time Nick Message 00:20 ENTS Hey everyone, I just downloaded the koha appliance and ran the update. I am getting the producion mode trapped fatal error after loggin in to the web portal and starting the setup. Is this normal? 00:20 chris have never used the appliance, so i dont know im afraid 00:21 * chris installs from source of from debian packages 00:21 chris look at the apache error logs, see what the error is 00:21 ENTS I have a debian box ready to go for this project but I'm not terribly good with linux so I thought the VA would be easier 00:21 Steven chris....need ur help 00:22 chris im at work, so only if its fast Steven :) 00:22 ENTS (late sunday work, sucky) 00:22 chris nope 12.25pm monday work actually 00:23 * chris has a meeting in 35 mins and needs to grab some food before then 00:23 robin ooh lunch. Good plan. 00:23 Steven wanna get some info about the AWS DevKey where we need to key in system pref in order to enable Amazon cover image 00:24 chris what version of koha Steven 00:24 Steven 2.2.9 00:24 chris thats very very old 00:24 chris and won't work with amazon 00:24 chris they changed their api 00:24 Steven i got 2 version...1 is 2.2.9.....another is 3.0.6 00:25 chris 3.0.6 might, i cant recall if the changes were made there 00:25 ENTS chris, would you recommend doing a .deb install over the pre rolled VA? 00:25 chris ENTS: i would 00:25 chris takes one layer of complication out 00:26 chris ie instead of having the VA and linux to worry about 00:26 chris you just have linux :) 00:26 ENTS I dont want to take your time, obviously you're busy this afternoon, could I bug you at another time to look at it? 00:26 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 00:26 Steven chris: i m confusing with the AWS key ID...is the numerical ID or and apha key ID i should use? 00:26 chris have a look at that, that might help 00:26 ENTS the linux still lives on an ESX box, but I get what you're saying 00:26 ENTS ok 00:26 ENTS I'll start there 00:27 chris Steven: in 2.2.9 it doesnt matter, it wont work either way 00:27 Steven how about 3.0.6? 00:27 chris you need the AWSAccessKeyID and AWSPrivateKey 00:28 ENTS thanks for the help chris, I need to take off but I'll let you know how it goes in a couple days 00:28 chris both of which are alphanumeric strings 00:28 chris ENTS: good luck 00:28 Steven okok...and the amazon associate tag as well? 00:29 chris yeah thats what ever you associate tag is, thats not strictly needed i dont think, but doesnt hurt to have it 00:30 Steven icic.....i have just register with AWS...but i m not package with any product....is it ok? 00:31 chris should be ok 00:31 Steven bcoz i have try to key in both ID into system pref....and enable amazon in enhanced content.....it doesnt pull the image cover from amazon 00:32 Steven but google cover images working without any issues 00:32 chris do you have amazoncoverimages turned on and opacamazoncoverimages? 00:32 Steven yaya...both on.....while on the amazon...i disable google cover 00:33 Steven but it seems not working to me 00:33 Steven weird 00:41 Steven should i need to subscribe to any product in AWS to gain access of amazon cover images? 02:18 robin If anyone's interested, new versions of the Koha packages are being uploaded to http://debian.koha-community.org with all the latest master-branch goodness. 02:18 wasabi w00t, well done robin++ ! 02:20 robin and, upload complete :) 02:23 wasabi seriously, the deb packaging stuff you are doing is such a big win for the koha-project 02:24 * wasabi pumps fist-in-the-air like that steve.balmer video... 02:24 robin Yeah, it'll hopefully get rid of the hardest parts of getting a koha env set up, and keeping it up to date. 02:24 robin heh 02:25 wasabi developers, developers, developers!!! 02:25 wasabi w000000, give it up for ME!!!! 02:26 chilts only if you're sweating profusely and look like a big hairy monster 02:27 wasabi lol, pretty close.... ;) 03:32 Amit heya chris, brendan 07:00 kf good morning #koha 07:23 chris morning 07:24 kf morning chris 07:50 magnus hiya kf, chris, hdl et al 07:52 kf hi magnus 09:54 kf hmpf. 09:55 chris heh 09:55 kf hi chris 09:56 kf wondering ... are list price and ordering price the same? 09:56 slef hi all. Anyone got skype and a moment to answer a call from me in a few minutes? 09:56 kf slef: sorry, no skype at work 09:56 kf working on acq documentation and speaking about the vendor form 09:57 slef I'm seeing if the sip-to-skype gateway is still up, but I don't know many skype users (understandable given the free software circles I move in) 09:58 chris kf: yeah i think so 09:58 chris slef: yeah no skype here either sorry 09:59 kf hmpf. ok, so why do we have to different terms for the same thing in one form? 09:59 slef asking reminded me that I forgot to switch my sip phone on this morning :) 09:59 kf to = 2 or two... 09:59 chris which form? 09:59 kf new vendor 09:59 chris ill go look 09:59 slef kf: someone didn't check ODLIS before writing one, possibly? 09:59 slef munin, odlis? 09:59 munin slef: Error: "odlis?" is not a valid command. 10:00 slef munin, what is odlis? 10:00 munin slef: Error: "what" is not a valid command. 10:00 slef munin, @roulette 10:00 munin slef: Error: "@roulette" is not a valid command. 10:00 slef munin, roulette 10:00 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 10:00 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 10:02 chris kf: yeah they are the same thing and someone just changed one, probably when it was being translated into americanese 10:02 kf ok, hmpf. :) 10:02 kf I can write a patch - but not sure which is the right one 10:02 kf Im also wondering about the tax registered thing -not sure what it is for 10:03 chris list price 10:03 chris you need that in nz 10:03 chris not sure about other countries 10:03 chris brb 10:03 kf slef: you agree? I found list price in odlis too, ordering price not 10:04 slef oh wait 10:04 slef are you sure ordering price is list price? 10:04 slef I think of ordering price = list price - discount 10:04 kf no, that was my first question 10:04 kf but I dont know about the difference (makes translation difficult too) 10:04 slef I missed that :-) I must pay attention. kf: which file? 10:05 kf new vendor 10:05 kf supplier.tmpl 10:05 slef ok, I can look in my next break... will that be soon enough? 10:05 slef (26 mins away) 10:06 kf no problem 10:06 kf just let me know, so I can write a patch (or add teh difference to my documentation) 10:06 kf I will go and have lunch - will be back in about 30 minutes 10:12 chris i think in the context of the vendor form its the same 10:13 chris thats how the code uses it anyway 10:13 chris it will use the currency chosen to convert the price, then if there is tax then subtract that, then remove the discount 10:15 chris to end up with the estimated cost, so the currency of list price and tax of ordering price are both used for the same thing 10:26 slef I bow to chris's reading of the actual code. Thanks chris. 10:28 chris np 10:42 kf ok 10:42 kf back :) 10:42 kf so I will change ordering price to list price 10:45 chris interesting 10:46 kf hm? 10:48 chris just trying to find out when it was changed 10:49 kf I think the ordering prices were added later 10:49 kf and they only appear if gist is set in sys prefs 10:49 kf filing bug for list price/ordering price now 10:50 kf but have another question: my gist is set to 0.07 = 7% but vendor form shows 0 by default? 10:50 kf bug? 10:53 chris no, it allows you to set different values per vendor, if they arent set it uses the systempreference 10:53 kf yes, but why is ist 0 by default? 10:54 kf I think there should be no default? 10:54 kf or the default should be the gist setting 10:54 chris cos if its 0 it uses the default 10:54 kf hm 10:54 chris and why is it called gist??? 10:54 kf not sure 10:54 kf in German its MWSt - Mehrwertsteuer 10:54 chris in nz its GST 10:55 chris i think someone in france mistyped :) 10:55 kf perhaps - but gist is really old 10:55 chris it used to be gst 10:55 kf dont know, I know it as gist since 3.0 10:55 chris yeah thats not really old :) 10:56 kf no, but as long as Im around here .) 10:56 chris it was gst up until 3.0 10:56 kf ok, my previous patch touched the same file, supplier.tmpl 10:57 kf combine the changes into one patch or use a new branch with the file from master? 10:57 chris stored as gstrate in the db still, maybe ill fix gist for 3.4 10:57 chris the latter 10:58 chris that way one not being accepted wont block both 10:58 kf ok 10:59 kf hm another question 11:00 kf List Prices or List prices? 11:00 kf the form uses both forms... Invoice Prices are and Invoice prices: 11:00 chris in a sentence the latter, for a heading on a form, doesn't really matter 11:01 kf but it should be consistent? 11:01 kf http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=2420 11:02 kf sorry, getting lost in small problems today... easier to solve than those other things on my todo list 11:04 chris lower case p 11:04 chris i would use 11:05 kf ok 11:05 kf Perhaps we need a rule for that 11:10 chris hi nengard 11:11 nengard howdy 11:11 nengard magnus asked me to create an event for kohacon on facebook - this has been done 11:11 nengard http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=131876760187249 11:12 chris if i was on facebook id look 11:12 chris :) 11:12 nengard i know 11:13 nengard but others in the chanel might be on facebook - so i'm just saying :) hehe 11:13 chris walled_gardens-- 11:13 nengard makes me money++ 11:14 chris no_respect_for_privacy-- 11:14 chris i could go all night 11:14 chris ;) 11:18 magnus thanks, nengard - and i know everyone is not on facebook, but i guess there is no one channel that reaches everyone... ;-) 11:18 kf hi nengard 11:18 nengard chris i don't disagree with you, but i have no choice - libraries want to learn about it and i want to get paid to teach about it :) 11:18 kf nengard: List price or List Price? 11:18 nengard depends on how other things on the page are formatted 11:19 nengard if everything on the page is first letter caps then List Price 11:19 nengard if not, then match the style of the page 11:19 chris nengard: you should include this in your teaching, being responsible http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebook-timeline/ 11:20 nengard i do have a lot of links to articles on privacy already - but 'll add this one if i can find room 11:21 chris thats probably the clearest indication there is of the move away from privacy, its pretty much all you need to read 11:27 kf nengard: ok, thx :) 11:52 slef yo... I'm on facebook and yes, it's evil. 12:01 kf I hope my facebook account is now deleted - not sure they really deleted all my data 12:01 owen They didn't kf 12:02 kf yeah... happy I had not much information in my profile 12:17 kf and hi owen :) 12:19 owen Hi kf and everyone 12:26 chris http://zesty.ca/facebook/#/131876760187249 12:26 nengard can i just say that i love seeing all of your answering questions on the mailing list with links to the manual!! :) it used to only be me doing that 12:27 chris http://zesty.ca/facebook/#/1022734291/feed 12:30 * chris goes to sleep now 12:31 chris_n` nengard: see my comments on bug 3756 12:31 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference 12:31 nengard reading now 12:33 nengard commented 12:56 kf nengard: thinking about terminology - I have changed ordering price to list price in the vendor form, because slef and chris agreed it's the same and the form used list price in most places. Now I see that you enter a 'vendor price' in a new order - what to you think? 12:56 nengard i'd say those are the same too - vendor/list/ordering price 12:56 nengard or at least in terms of Koha they are 12:57 kf hm 12:57 nengard technically list price is different from ordering/vendor price 12:57 nengard i'm just using Koha language 12:57 kf so file a bug and suggest to change it to list price? or do you like vendor price better? 12:57 kf ah 12:57 nengard i'd say vendor price 12:57 kf not a native speaker, but fighting with German acq documentation 12:57 nengard across the board. the list price is the price it's supposed to be listed at - but vendors don't often charge that 12:58 nengard but i think koha is putting that value in the same place 12:58 kf ok, in Germany they do - we have fixed prices for books 13:00 kf hm 13:01 kf I just think different terms meaning the same are confusing 13:01 kf confusing translators like me and perhaps native speakers too :) 13:04 nengard i agree 13:04 nengard acq in general is confusing cause of all of the different ways people talk about these things 13:05 nengard i think vendor price might be the safest option 13:05 nengard that says to me the price the vendor is charging 13:05 nengard or the price the vendor has listed on their site or in their catalog 13:08 kf ok 13:08 kf I will try to write a bug and suggest the change 13:08 kf writing on another bug report right now :) 13:09 jcamins Hello, #koha 13:09 nengard hello jcamins 13:10 nengard time for me to log off - teaching a webinar on open source software for libraries this AM - see you all this afternoon 13:10 kf hi jcamins 13:15 slef I thought chris said it was the price before discounts => list price IMO 13:16 slef but I've not read the code for myself recently (yet) 13:17 kf slef: different page now 13:17 kf but it's still the price before discounts, just named differently again 13:18 slef I'm looking at ODLIS 13:20 slef It says in "list price"'s definition "Synonymous with published price and retail price" but I suspect this might be a subtle difference between "list price" and "retail price" 13:20 slef Creating a bug is probably a good idea, then email lists to ask about it? 13:23 kf *sighs* more work.. I knew it :) 13:23 kf working on 2 other acq bug reports, will try to write something up, but need comments from native speakers :) 13:55 kf slef: bug 5062 13:55 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5062 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Acq terminology: list price, ordering price, vendor price, RRP 13:56 kf I even found two more terms, RRP and RRT - latter is perhaps a typo? 13:59 slef where is RRT? 13:59 slef (looking at bug) 14:00 slef 'RRT GST Inc.' - yes, looks like it. 14:00 slef Also, Europe uses VAT instead of GST (if I understand General Sales Tax right) 14:04 kf slef: MWSt in German 14:05 kf slef: RRT is in the pdf 14:06 kf when you print your order to pdf using one of the two available layouts pdfformat::layout3pages 14:06 kf slef: have you booked your flight yet? 14:08 kf to kohacon - will book mine this week and it looks like I will fly from stuttgart to london first 14:09 wizzyrea i have got to get mine booked this week too. 14:10 kf wizzyrea: looking forward to meet you in person :) 14:10 * sekjal is working on booking his right now 14:10 wizzyrea I am too :) 14:10 wizzyrea plus the spud and the hubs are coming, that should be fun. 14:11 sekjal nice! I'm trying to coordinate with my wife's schedule. She's got a bunch of conferences, presentations and important meetings right around then, so it's a little tricky 14:12 wizzyrea traveling with an almost 3 year old is tricky too. 14:12 sekjal I don't envy you that 14:13 kf travelling all alone 14:13 wizzyrea ^^ I think that would freak me out more. :/ 14:13 kf yep 14:38 slef kf: yes. priv msg? 14:43 kf slef: sorry, was afk 14:45 slef kf: np 15:01 wizzyrea hmm, is it documented anywhere that the value of $OPACBaseURL should not include the http://? 15:02 wizzyrea (if you put it in there, it breaks the "link to opac" links in XSLT intranet results) 15:03 wizzyrea aha 15:03 wizzyrea indeed, in the description it shows http://<blank> 15:03 wizzyrea so it's assuming you're not adding it 15:03 wizzyrea no wonder it's broken on my install. 15:07 kf hm headache, leaving for today - bye all 15:07 wizzyrea must be the day for those 15:07 * wizzyrea has one too 15:07 kf the weather is changing 15:08 wizzyrea it better not be going from "hot" to "hotter" 15:08 kf just from heavy rain to sun today 15:08 * owen thinks it would be a shame if wizzyrea evaporated 15:08 kf @wunder Konstanz 15:08 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (5:00 PM CEST on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 15:08 wizzyrea @wunder Lawrence, Kansas 15:08 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 28.7�C (10:12 AM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Falling). 15:09 owen @wunder 45701 15:09 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 23.9�C (11:05 AM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). 15:09 wizzyrea wow, same barometric pressure 15:09 wizzyrea what are the odds 15:10 owen We're barometric pressure buddies! 15:11 wizzyrea I'm trying to come up with a witty joke, but failing miserably 15:11 wizzyrea something along the lines of "we work well that way" or something about getting the bends. 15:11 * wizzyrea might have had only about 30 minutes of sleep last night 15:12 owen Ouch. 15:12 Sham Quick question for ye learned gents - > Any idea how to add tags and subtags on the Staff OPAC? I can edit the MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl for User OPAC but this doesn't add anything in Staff? 15:13 wizzyrea try editing MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl 15:13 wizzyrea oh, but yea, you'd have to have 3.2 for that 15:13 wizzyrea or alphabeta or whatever it is now 15:13 wizzyrea beta, it's in beta. 15:13 Sham Only back on 3.06, any other file for that? 15:14 wizzyrea mmm I don't believe staff xsl was added until after that 15:14 Sham So I'm in trouble then!? 15:14 wizzyrea you can try editing prog/en/modules/catalogue/detail.tmpl 15:14 wizzyrea in intranet-tmpl, of course 15:15 wizzyrea < tired, sorry :( 15:16 kf wizzyrea: not sure it's only in beta 15:16 kf Sham: check our system preference for xslt 15:16 kf our = your 15:16 kf ok, I am still here ... :) 15:16 wizzyrea I thought that was added only in feb? 15:16 wizzyrea or was it backported? 15:17 wizzyrea rather, finally fixed in feb. 15:21 kf wizzyrea: I am not sure, but I think there were changes for xslt in 3.0.x 15:23 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/YmUwOThk 15:23 wizzyrea I just did a search in 3.2b for xslt, these are the results I got 15:23 wizzyrea if you have XSLTDetailsDisplay, that's the one you want to make sure is on 15:24 wizzyrea if you don't have it, look at the file I referenced earlier. :) 15:24 wizzyrea let us know if any of that helps you, Sham 15:24 Sham will do....just checking now! 15:25 owen I see the preference in my 3.0.x installation, and the xsl files, but I don't think the feature is complete. 15:25 owen I don't see any reference to the xsl preference in detail.tmpl in 3.0.x 15:25 wizzyrea I thought it was buggy until feb of this year 15:25 wizzyrea but idk really 15:51 chris_n heya cfouts 16:06 cfouts good day, chris_n 16:23 chris_n @wunder 2833 16:24 chris_n @wunder 28334 16:24 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Arcadia, Hope Valley, Rhode Island is 26.2�C (12:27 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). 16:24 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 34.1�C (12:26 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Rising). 16:25 jwagner Hey, chris_n -- remember I was asking you about label creator date searching last week or so? 16:25 chris_n yes 16:25 * chris_n is trying to get his brain cooled back down from a week in the extreme heat ;-) 16:25 jwagner It definitely has problems with 0000-00-00 date entries -- picks them up in a "date greater than" search. I still don't know if I'm missing a patch, or the problem is with the indexing, or what. 16:26 chris_n shouldn't zero entry dates be buggy data? 16:27 jwagner It is buggy data, but I wouldn't think it would be picked up in the search 16:27 jwagner When we did a SQL update & changed all the 0000-00-00 dates to something valid, they dropped out of the search. 16:28 chris_n well, in any case, the fix is most likely just another conditional on the sql to omit them 16:28 jwagner The label creator SQL? 16:28 chris_n no 16:28 chris_n that uses C4::Search.... 16:28 chris_n iirc 16:29 * chris_n looks 16:29 jwagner Sorry, I'm stuck at home w/limited accessibility -- can't look at much of anything myself. Big storm yesterday knocked everything out. 16:32 chris_n yup, it uses C4::Search::SimpleSearch 16:32 chris_n after normalizing the dates sent in by the form, it cooks up some ccl and passes that to SimpleSearch 16:34 chris_n its the less-than-equal-to that causes the problem I think 16:34 jwagner So how to fix? Maybe a "and not equal 0000-00-00" in? 16:34 chris_n this actually could be corrected in the construction of the ccl I think 16:34 * chris_n is no ccl guru 16:35 jwagner Me neither. I tried a general search using the form of the ccl from the label designer & got the same results. 16:36 chris_n it probably needs what you suggest 16:37 jwagner OK. When I can get back into my dev systems I might have a go at it. Wanted to be sure this wasn't one you'd already fixed, though. 16:38 chris_n no, I was working on a problem involving ansi-sql date formatting 16:55 chris_n jwagner: I can't seem to duplicate the zero date problem here 16:55 chris_n are you searching only on the "Added on or before date" field in the item search form? 16:56 nengard hello all regarding bug 3756 is there any reason not to submit a patch to remove these preferences from the db? 16:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference 16:56 chris_n yes 16:56 jwagner I'll try to do some more testing -- was using "added on or after date search 16:56 chris_n nengard: not all of those prefs are depricated 16:56 nengard chris_n - i mean the ones that Fr?d?ric didn't already move 16:56 nengard with his most recent patch 16:56 chris_n jwagner: I have only one item with an dateaccessioned of 0000-00-00 16:57 chris_n jwagner: and it does not show when I search on that field 16:57 jwagner I was wondering if I might have missed a patch somewhere. 16:57 chris_n nengard: I would not without verifying that they are, indeed, deprecated 16:57 nengard k 16:57 nengard then we're at a stalemate :) 16:58 chris_n jwagner: you could checkout a new branch from the current head and gitdiff it and the branch in question iirc 16:58 chris_n rather just gitdiff against the master 16:58 chris_n assuming the master is current 16:58 jwagner OK, will try that when I can get back to my dev servers. Thanks. 16:59 jwagner I was trying to set up a test on my current head server, but hadn't gotten very far 16:59 chris_n nengard: perhaps an email to the dev list enumerating the remaining sysprefs and asking those who might know to verify their obsolescence 17:00 * chris_n would hate to remove something that someone was still depending on :P 17:00 nengard I agree 17:00 nengard and will draft that email right now 17:01 chris_n jwagner: I just realized that search is probably performed against the zebra db 17:01 chris_n fwiw 17:02 jwagner Yeah, I was wondering about the indexing myself. If I remember, it's searching acqdate 17:02 chris_n correct 17:02 chris_n I'm going to reindex and try the search again just to be sure 17:06 nengard chris_n email sending 17:28 chris_n jwagner: I still can't reproduce the problem, sorry 17:28 jwagner OK, I'll let you know if I can get it to happen again. Thanks for checking. 17:29 chris_n no problem; let me know how it goes if you don't mind 17:30 jwagner Will do. 18:19 chris morning 18:20 jwagner morning, chris 18:21 larsw hi, chris 18:21 chris hi jwagner 18:22 chris heya larsw, hows the big apple? 18:22 jwagner How go things? 18:22 larsw chris, I'll know tomorrow :) 18:22 chris ahh :) 18:23 chris jwagner: stupidly busy answering rfps, but otherwise fine 18:23 jwagner Sounds like more fun than I'm having -- stuck at home after major storm. Power outages, downed trees, lots of fun. 18:24 jcamins larsw: Are you in NYC? 18:24 larsw jcamins, I will be tomorrow 18:24 larsw jwagner, ouch 18:24 chris jwagner: yuck .. that doesnt sound fun at all 18:24 owen jwagner: Sounds like deja vu, too 18:24 jwagner At least I finally got power back this morning (storm was yesterday), but I can't go anywhere until the garage door repairman comes.... 18:25 jcamins larsw: Well, at least it's only supposed to be in the low-to-mid 90s this week. 18:26 jcamins Around 33C. 18:31 chris only??? :) 18:32 jwagner chris, it's been in the upper 90s and over 100 degrees F here for many days in a row. Not fun. 18:37 jwagner This is a year of weather extremes -- from three major blizzards in the winter (in an area that normally doesn't get any) to early and continued abnormal heat in the summer :-( 18:41 chris yeah theres a quote in munin about that :) 18:41 owen And then there was the time the whole city flooded, froze solid, and wolves came to eat us. 18:41 chris worst movie ever! 18:42 owen Wow, I didn't know I could get booted for mentioning the worst movie ever! 18:42 jwagner Yep, it feels like the wolves are at the door :-( 18:44 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2004/05/31/the-day-after-tomorrow/ 18:44 chris gave me an excuse to read old blog posts tho :) 18:45 owen chris: We would solve the unemployment problem in the US if we hired someone to tell everyone who needed to hear it "OI no, thats a ridiculous idea, go get some 18:45 owen sleep and try again tomorrow" 18:47 chris heh 18:51 owen I would need one just for me, to tell me not to eat so many cookies in one sitting. 18:53 chris heh 19:02 chris_n @wunder 28334 19:02 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 35.7�C (3:02 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 8%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). 19:02 * chris_n hits a 40 C heat index 19:03 jwagner @wunder 20740 19:03 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 30.5�C (3:07 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising). 19:04 jwagner chris_n, you must be getting the weather we had yesterday :-) 19:04 owen No weather re-gifting please. 19:08 cait hi all 19:08 jwagner I suggest we all re-gift our weather to chris -- it's winter down there, right? He'd be grateful for some warmth :-) 19:08 chris_n jwagner: its been the same for a week or more here 19:08 chris_n last week heat index was 116 F 19:08 chris_n go figure 19:08 chris_n sweat city 19:08 jwagner chris_n, yes, same here -- I think we're at 11 or 12 days over 90 with heat indexes much higher. Sigh. 19:10 jcamins It's actually pretty cool today. 19:11 jcamins Thankfully. 19:11 jcamins The subway is unbearably hot when it's cold out. 19:22 chris @wunder wellington,nz 19:22 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 19:22 chris not too bad today 19:23 cait morning chris 19:23 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:23 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9�C (9:26 PM CEST on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising). 19:23 moodaepo @weather 56001 19:23 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 27.4�C (2:26 PM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984.0 hPa (Rising). 19:23 * moodaepo throws his hat into the ring...sweaty hat 19:24 jcamins @weather 11105 19:24 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 30.5�C (3:25 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). 19:25 chris jcamins: http://debconf10.debconf.org/ 19:31 * chris will bbiab 19:32 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 19:32 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 31.4�C (2:35 PM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). 19:39 chris Back 19:41 brendan @wunder 93117 19:41 brendan @wunder 93117 19:41 munin brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 17.6�C (12:44 PM PDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising). 19:45 chris wb nengard 19:45 nengard thanks 19:45 nengard that took forever!!!!!!!! 19:46 cait your presentation? 19:54 chris Her answer to your question? :) 20:01 cait :) 20:05 nengard cait sorry 20:05 nengard i was getting an xray 20:05 nengard that's what took forever 20:05 nengard my presentation was done at 11:30am 20:05 cait ah, hope you are ok 20:05 nengard just a bit of pain and we're being cautious 20:06 nengard my momma has her hips both replaced when she was 40 and that's way way too young - i have some hip pain and we want to make sure it's not happening to me too 20:09 owen Oh no, I forgot to go home! 20:40 chris http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2010/07/git-tips/ <--- good tips 20:40 Mathieu Hi everyone, i'm looking for help on the patron card creator, the images seem to be resized to 72Dpi, exporting the patron image makes it pixelated. I am importing them using Patron Image in the patron editor 20:47 richard hi 20:48 Mathieu hi 20:51 Mathieu Richard, Can you help me with something? I'm running koha 3.2 and Patron images are being resized to 72dpi, printing the actual card makes the image pixelated, but the source image is 300dpi. 20:51 Mathieu I'm guessing the server resizes them, can I manually upload images into it? 20:51 richard hi Mathieu. sorry i'm not sure what you can do about that 20:51 richard i haven't looked at doing patron images 20:52 Mathieu alright, thank, i'll try to find a workaround 20:53 cait Mathieu: I think chris_n is the person to ask about it - he wrote the patron card creator 20:53 chris Mathieu: yeah you should be able to over write the images, once they have been uploaded 20:54 chris i forget where it puts them 20:54 chris ill just look 20:56 Mathieu They are in SQL 20:57 chris it stores the actual image in the db??? 20:57 chris eeewwww 20:57 Mathieu looks like it 20:57 chris i dont like that 20:58 pianohack Likely because anytime a web application has to write to the filesystem, god gives a kitten an extremely stern look 20:58 pianohack Seriously though, doing it smoothly and securely is difficult 20:58 chris yeah blobs in the db are just really messy, and you cant cache them 20:59 chris pianohack: yup we have to do it lots and lots for stuff 21:00 Mathieu i'm wondering what's easier, uploading a custom blob or making the script look in a folder instead of the db? 21:00 chris the latter 21:00 chris if you just key them with the borrowernumber 21:00 chris eg 12348593.jpg 21:01 chris then crafting a url to that is pretty easy 21:01 Mathieu Alright i'll go have a look at the source see if I can do anything 21:02 chris Mathieu: it will mostly be a template change 21:04 Mathieu chris: Where should I start looking ? 21:05 chris circ-menu.inc 22:12 Mathieu needed to add $image->Set(magick => 'jpg', density => 300, quality => 100); into print.pl, density defaults out to 72dpi unless set 22:13 Mathieu create-pdf.pl* 22:14 Mathieu never mind dosen't change anything 22:50 robin In case anyone is interested, my process for creating the Debian packages is documented here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages 22:54 chris cool :)