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02:50 brendan @wunder 93117
02:51 munin brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 17.8�C (7:52 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
03:19 Amit heya chris, brendan
03:19 Amit good morning #koha
03:19 brendan heya Amit
06:48 tani how to install C4/Context
06:48 tani becuse i run rebuilt_zebra
06:49 tani and it says cant locate c4/context.pm
06:53 magnus tani: did you "export PERL5LIB" before running rebuild_zebra?
06:54 tani no
06:54 tani a have no records
07:11 magnus tani: you need to set two environment variables before you run rebuild zebra. on a standard install they would be "export KOHA_CONF=/usr/share/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml" and "export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib" (depending on where you chose to put your files during installation)
07:12 * magnus notices that INSTALL.debian doesn't actually say anything about exporting PERL5LIB. huh?
07:13 chris cos the installer itself does
07:14 chris and there are a lot of ways to do it, i dont set PERL5LIB, i use the -I switch
07:16 chris (the last thing the Makefile.PL does is tell you to set the ENV variables, and gives you the correct paths)
07:18 magnus ah, thanks chris, i knew i had seen it *somewhere*...
07:19 chris hi kf
07:19 magnus guten morgen kf
07:19 kf morning chris
07:19 kf morning magnus and all #koha
07:34 chris hi irma
07:36 irma Hi
07:37 irma I thought you might be giving your boys their dinner
07:37 chris they are both asleep
07:37 chris (7.40pm)
07:37 chris they are usually asleep by 7.15ish
07:37 irma what time is the going to bed timne?
07:37 chris 7
07:37 irma I see
07:38 irma bring memories back :-)
07:38 chris :)
07:39 chris they had a late night last night so were tired
07:39 irma This page still links Koha to koha.org http://www.loc.gov/marc/marcsysvend.html
07:39 chris do you want to drop them an email?
07:39 irma I was looking up an email address to ask for an update to koha-community.org
07:39 irma could I or does it have to be you or Galen?
07:40 irma or someone else? I am happy to do it ...
07:40 chris it can be anyone
07:40 chris there's no boss of koha :)
07:40 irma OK. I shall and report back.
07:40 irma Also
07:40 chris thanks
07:41 irma the default MARC 21 framework marc structure has not been updated sine 2008
07:41 chris this is true, does it need updates?
07:41 irma and has a number of missing fields and subfields
07:42 irma and a number of now obselete fields/subfields
07:42 chris right
07:42 chris for the obsolete we would need to just mark them as such
07:42 chris for existing koha anywya
07:43 chris but for new installs they could be gone, and the missing ones could be added for both
07:43 irma tru or would a new uipload be more appropriate
07:44 irma there are over 3400 fields it's better to reload an update from the source
07:44 irma LOC
07:44 chris it has to be upgradable for existing koha
07:45 irma yes
07:45 chris and there is a serious amount of work making the framework you get from LOC, in the sql commands suitable for loading into koha
07:45 irma woudl it need two default frameworks (the current uploded 2008) and the new one (uploaded 2010) ?
07:46 chris thats one possibility
07:46 irma Could I work on this after KohaCon during the hack fest?
07:46 chris you sure could
07:47 chris kf might want to help too
07:47 * chris volunteers people randomly
07:47 chris :)
07:47 chris she has done quite a bit of marc21 koha work
07:47 irma OK. My arm was already half bent ;-)
07:48 irma KF?
07:48 chris she probably ran away to escape me volunteering her for work :)
07:48 irma I know K. Fisher
07:49 irma Hello kf ... I wont bite
07:49 irma kf are you coming to Wellington?
07:50 irma Chris ... pls put this down as a task to do and I shall prepare for it
07:50 magnus irma: she's in on the road trip, so i think so... ;-)
07:51 chris cool
07:51 irma great
07:51 irma I will be able to spruce up my German...
07:53 irma off to type that email to LOC
07:53 chris :)
07:53 magnus go irma!
07:55 irma I just reread the text and it might be good to update that at the same time
07:55 irma http://www.loc.gov/marc/marcsysvend.html
07:55 irma what do you think?
07:55 chris yep
07:56 magnus isn't it kind of strange that that page is a mix of vendors and systems?
07:56 chris well traditonally it was the same thing
07:57 chris in library world anyway
07:57 chris but yeah doesnt really work
07:57 irma off looking if Ferraro's details are still there ...yeeks ...
07:58 chris under liblime?
07:59 irma info has been updated
08:00 irma ok ...off looking for LOC's email address
08:00 chris :)
08:01 magnus hm, make that lots of systems and a couple of vendors. even stranger. makes the librarian in me slightly uncomfortable... ;-)
08:02 * magnus thinks crontab.example would look better with standard file paths
08:03 kf sorry, was on the phone
08:03 chris yeah good idea, wanna send a patch? :)
08:03 kf reading back now
08:05 magnus chris: i might just do that
08:05 magnus kf: we were talking about you! ;-)
08:05 kf irma: will be at kohacon and glad to have a project to work on - I think thd wanted to some updates
08:05 kf the mab things
08:06 kf irma: I already did some updates to add $w subfields- those patches are waiting for 3.4, but a general overhaul would be a good thing
08:06 kf is she still here? :)
08:06 kf magnus: long phone call from koha library
08:06 irma yep. I am back with the contact address for LOC
08:06 irma ndmso@loc.gov
08:07 irma to update the Koha link to koha-community.org
08:07 kf hi :)
08:08 irma hi kf ...
08:08 kf irma: I talked about this to thd (a long time ago) but neither of us had time to add all the missing fields. I think a lot of new fields are linked to features we use here in Germany
08:08 irma Das dachte ich auch
08:08 kf and perhaps we could hide some of the deprecated fields too
08:08 kf oh
08:08 kf Deutsch :)
08:09 irma Ich habe auch nicht sher viel Zeit aber nach KohaCon bestimt ya
08:09 irma sehr
08:09 kf ich fliege am wahrscheinlich am montag zurück
08:09 irma Mine Mama kommt von Koln
08:09 kf :)
08:10 irma Wir auch (nach Sydney) unsere Heimstadt :-)
08:11 kf ich wohne in konstanz, am bodensee
08:11 irma Sehr schone Gegend!
08:12 irma Ich freue mich dich kennen zu lernen ... Tchuss bis bald!
08:12 irma Tchuss? correct spelling?
08:13 kf Tschüss :)
08:13 kf und ich freue mich auch :)
08:13 magnus wir allen freuen uns!
08:14 irma Wir freuen us alle ...
08:14 irma Wir freuen us zusammen ...
08:15 irma Tschuss kf und magnus!
08:16 irma Chris about the Koha text
08:16 magnus Tschüss irma!
08:16 irma Do you have any suggestions
08:16 chris hmm
08:17 chris http://koha-community.org/about/
08:17 chris is pretty similair i think
08:17 chris i hate that enterprise class bit tho
08:17 chris in my experience of 16 years of software development
08:18 irma I think adding http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohausers too?
08:18 chris enterprise = stupidly expensive and broken
08:18 chris but it might have better connotations for others :)
08:19 chris irma: we'd need to fix that page up first i think (the kohausers one)
08:19 irma yep a bit more left to do there
08:22 irma To move forwards, what about using this text : http://koha-community.org/about/
08:23 irma and I will send a second email when this page is fixed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohausers
08:23 irma ? OK?
08:26 chris sounds good
08:43 magnus sorry chris, any thoughts on line 79 of http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/crontab.example;hb=HEAD etc/logrotate.conf doesn't seem to exist?
08:44 chris hmm yeah probably never got committed
08:45 chris have you used logrotate before?
08:46 magnus nope
08:47 magnus seems strange to have an example with non-existing files...
08:47 chris its not the only strange thing liblime did
08:47 magnus :-)
08:47 tani hello, i can"t find my records
08:47 chris if you look at /etc/logrotate.conf
08:48 chris it would look something like that, ill have a look at doing one if i get a chance tomorrow
08:49 tani if i add a new book record then it doesnt show to staff client and opac
08:49 magnus chris: that would be cool! should i hold off on submitting the patch for crontab.example until you have had a go at it?
08:49 tani when i search for that
08:50 chris magnus: well fixing the others paths is a good start, and i can do a follow up patch
08:50 magnus chris ok, so i'll just leave line 79 as it is?
08:50 chris yep
08:51 magnus chris: cool!
08:51 chris tani: do you have a cronjob set up to run rebuild_zebra.pl ?
08:52 tani no a have no cronjob
08:52 tani but i try rebuilt zebra
08:52 chris then the indexes wont be getting updated
08:52 tani and it said c4/context
08:52 tani cant locate
08:53 chris yes you need to set your PERL5LIB like people have been saying
08:53 tani koha version 3.00.06
08:54 tani ubuntu 10.04
08:54 irma chris email to LOC is on it's way cc'ed to you
08:54 magnus irma++
08:54 chris cool
08:56 irma a teeny weeny help but still it feels good to have asked for the update
08:56 chris :)
08:57 irma thinking about something for dinner now ... ciao all
09:44 kf does someone know if this is still up-to-date? http://www.slideshare.net/ohiocore/koha-integration-ldap
09:45 kf I have a question about LDAP support and we don't use it, so no experience
09:57 chris probably pretty close, that was done by joe atz, who wrote most of the sip stuff
10:00 kf thx chris
10:00 kf chris+
10:00 kf chris++
10:15 kf chris++ for great koha knowledge :)
10:16 chris heh thanks
10:37 wasabi chris: http://translate.koha-community.org points to koha.org
10:37 wasabi i just noticed...
10:37 wasabi "Visit Koha official web site. Start translating Koha into your language."
10:38 Amit heya mason
10:38 wasabi hi amit
10:38 wasabi how is india? :)
10:39 wasabi its raining here in wellington, nz :/
10:39 wasabi @wunder nz
10:39 munin wasabi: Error: No such location could be found.
10:39 wasabi @wunder new zealand
10:39 munin wasabi: Error: No such location could be found.
10:41 kf @wunder wellington
10:41 munin kf: Error: No such location could be found.
10:41 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:41 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 25.6�C (12:44 PM CEST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
10:41 kf hm
10:41 wasabi @wunder wellington, new zealand
10:41 munin wasabi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (10:00 PM NZST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
10:44 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
10:44 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
10:45 magnus wow, that's quite similar between wllington and bodø!
10:45 wasabi yeah, it is
10:48 wasabi wizzyrea: about?
10:50 chris wasabi: i dont run that, its fredericd and its not live yet
10:50 wasabi aaaahh..
10:51 wasabi ok, all good
10:51 chris translate.koha.org is still the current translation site, that one will takeover as soon as 3.2 is released and i stop as translation manager
10:52 Amit @wunder Bangalore
10:52 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 23.0�C (2:30 PM IST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
10:52 Amit @wunder New Delhi
10:52 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 32.0�C (4:00 PM IST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
10:52 Amit @wunder Dehradun
10:52 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 26.0�C (11:30 AM IST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.60 in 1002 hPa.
10:53 magnus ooh, the temperature in bangalore sounds pleasant today
10:53 wasabi i noticed liz was talking about a OPAC back-button security issue
10:54 Amit heya magnus
10:54 magnus hi Amit
10:54 wasabi i have something of a fix for it
10:56 wasabi ill send in my patch for 3.2 tomorrow
10:58 wasabi its a little JS hack, to close/open a new browser-tab on 'logout'
10:59 wasabi ...which also destroys the logged-out users back-history
11:04 chris cool wasabi
11:06 wasabi yeah, i did the fix for kapiti-lib a wee while back - their users spotted the same problem
11:06 pentarex hey guys
11:06 wasabi heya pentarex
11:06 pentarex can anyone help me with instalation of koha in gentoo
11:07 wasabi im a gentoo n00b :/
11:07 pentarex i have problem with perl makefile.pl
11:07 pentarex it says can't locate dbi.pm
11:07 pentarex something
11:08 pentarex i searched in google, install gcc and still the same problem
11:08 pentarex :(
11:09 wasabi http://bugs.gentoo.org/208430
11:09 wasabi $ sudo cpan DBI
11:09 wasabi will install dbi.pm
11:10 pentarex and what i have to do with this files ?
11:10 pentarex aha
11:10 wasabi pentarex: pass, try an easier linux distro 1st
11:10 pentarex nice :)
11:10 wasabi debian or ubuntu
11:11 pentarex sorry my browser chat is very slow
11:11 wasabi ok, debian or ubuntu arent *easier* ...
11:12 wasabi but most people here use them, over gentoo
11:13 wasabi http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian
11:13 wasabi http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu
11:14 pentarex :)
11:33 ssss how to unistall koha on ubuntu and make a fresh install
11:37 magnus ssss: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;hb=HEAD#l377 line 377 etc
11:48 magnus good morning jwagner ;-)
11:49 jwagner No caffeine yet. You could tell, right?
11:49 magnus ;-)
11:50 wasabi i think im looking at koha-db with 900megs of session-rows... :/
11:51 wasabi which is around 90% of the db size , lol
11:55 kf morning jwagner
11:55 jwagner wasabi, druthb wrote a patch & submitted it a while back that includes a nightly cleanup script to empty out the sessions table. If it gets too large, the whole system gets dragged down.
11:55 jwagner morning kf
11:56 wasabi yep, i run that one on my boxes, works great!
11:58 kf jwagner: afaik we use that script too
12:00 kf jwagner: It's short after lunch, feels like morning without caffeine
12:25 jwagner morning, schuster
12:27 schuster Howdy all! busy day of packing up the office and trying to do some internal software testing...
12:28 schuster I'll also try and finish the formating on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohausers today.
12:29 jwagner Are you moving?
12:37 jwagner Morning, owen -- I was waiting for you :-)
12:38 * owen jumps back in fear
12:38 jwagner See Bug 4385 -- for you & anyone else interested in OPAC interface, I don't know how to diagnose & fix the underlying problem.
12:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability
12:38 owen Oh wait, there was no evil cackle after what you said.
12:38 * owen calms down.
12:38 jwagner But I do know that by separating the URL line & the availability line, it works.
12:38 * jwagner will cackle if you want....
12:39 owen Do you have a live example I could look at?
12:39 jwagner So would there be objection to splitting the line in the results list?
12:39 jwagner Not offhand -- the one publicly accessible site that was having the problem I fixed with a local mod
12:39 owen What needs to be in the record to cause the problem?
12:40 jwagner What I'm envisioning is one line for Availability with branch, callnum, etc., and another line for Online that only shows if there's an 856.
12:40 jwagner It's described in the bug report -- the combination of an 856 in the record and a circulating item type
12:41 jwagner I've replicated on current head
12:44 schuster jwagner - me moving no just doing some renovation here at the office, but we don't know when so need to packup as they could come while I'm out of the office the next 5 days.
13:04 owen jwagner: What version of Koha is Northeast Harbor Library running?
13:06 jwagner Our latest -- Harley plus new features
13:07 owen I'm disappointed that the press release doesn't state that explicitly
13:07 jwagner Talk to the marketing people :-)
13:08 owen The marketing people know quite well what they're doing.
13:14 jcamins Hello, #koha
13:15 owen HI jcamins
13:16 jcamins irma++ # for planning to bring Koha's MARC21 framework up-to-date
13:16 jcamins kf++ # for the same
13:19 schuster irma++ will that have the new RDA tags then too?
13:19 kf schuster: if it is part of MARC21 I think so
13:19 schuster I think I have finished editing to the best of my ability the kohausers page
13:20 kf schuster: I know nothing about RDA, but I think we should be MARC21 standard compliant
13:20 jcamins Most of the RDA tags have been added to the MARC21 standard.
13:20 kf ok, I think we will try to do that (and hope we can) :)
13:21 schuster kf, jcamins - I don't know anything about the authority MARC changes but I suspect there will be changes to that framework too...???
13:22 jcamins Ooh. Good question.
13:22 jcamins Checking now.
13:23 jcamins Yup.
13:23 kf schuster: not sure, I had no problems so far and our union catalog uses a lot of new fields
13:23 jcamins Oh my.
13:23 kf ah ok
13:23 kf yeah, a great task
13:23 jcamins That's a lot of changes.
13:23 kf I have patches for adding $w subfields to all frameworks -... and it took long
13:24 jcamins The last two updates alone add 16 fields to the MARC21 authority standard.
13:24 kf hm perhaps not change the sql but generate new sql fiels from the database
13:25 wasabi ive been chatting to irma about getting a LOC spec for marc21
13:25 * kf volunteers jcamins to help with that too
13:26 kf I was volunteered by chris ;)
13:26 jcamins Hey, now!
13:26 jcamins I saw.
13:26 jcamins Actually, I was surprised chris didn't volunteer me, since I complained about this yesterday.
13:26 kf I talked to thd about it a long time ago
13:26 jcamins I won't be at KohaCon, but I'll do what I can from a distance.
13:26 wasabi and getting a script to compare the koha-marc21.sql with the LOC-MARC21 spec file
13:26 kf I will try and write him a mail to find out if he already started
13:27 jcamins Does irma need a contact in the network development and MARC standards office?
13:27 wasabi to detect errors/changes in the koha marc21 def.
13:27 jcamins Because that's something I could contribute.
13:27 cfrank487 i'm new to sql and have 2 quick questions
13:29 owen Ask away cfrank487
13:30 wasabi jcamins: i think any contact at MARC office would be useful
13:30 wasabi what i am looking for is a nice MARC21 spec file to parse
13:31 jcamins Okay. I will try and get that for you next week (both the contact, and the spec file).
13:32 jcamins I keep my rolodex at home.
13:32 wasabi something nicer to parse than this -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdhome.html
13:32 jcamins Right. That would not be fun.
13:32 kf this is better than a pdf...
13:33 wasabi yep, website is prolly easier to parse that a pdf
13:39 wasabi jcamins: thanks - if we can find a nice enuff spec-file, ill def. do the script for it
13:40 jcamins I don't know if they'd share one, but at least I know someone in the standards office who might be able to help us.
13:46 cfrank487 1. Where is a good place i can learn about sql in reference to koha?
13:46 owen cfrank487: What task are you trying to accomplish?
13:47 * magnus parsed normarc out from html, thankfully it was almost stuctured...
13:47 cfrank487 Well, I'm just trying out some of the sql reports like "list new items" but..
13:47 owen cfrank487: Tons of SQL reporting resources here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
13:48 * magnus ...and was slightly shocked to learn that there is no master/authoritative file that describes the format in a structured way
13:48 cfrank487 that's the page i was on..i just don't know where to put my own library information
13:49 owen There are three things to change in that report: The two "between" dates, and the item homebranch
13:49 owen items.homebranch is looking for the code for the library you're reporting on.
13:50 cfrank487 which code?
13:50 owen When you set up libraries in Administration you would have put in a library code
13:50 owen /cgi-bin/koha/admin/branches.pl
13:50 owen Or Administration -> Libraries, branches, groups
13:50 cfrank487 oh, ok that code...thanks
13:50 cfrank487 one last question...
13:51 cfrank487 for other SQL statements does the ' ' mean that i need to input my own library data?
13:52 owen I would say so, unless the SQL is testing for an empty value
13:53 owen SELECT COUNT(barcode) AS Count FROM items WHERE barcode <> '' AND barcode IS NOT NULL
13:53 owen That is a case where it's testing for an empty value
13:53 cfrank487 ok..that helps..thank very much
13:53 owen Actually it looks like generally speaking '' means empty value
13:53 owen It looks like most examples fill in with dummy text if you're supposed to enter something
13:54 cfrank487 ok..thank you again
13:54 cfrank487 see you later
14:08 jwagner owen or others, any feedback on my question about splitting the results display (Bug 4385)?
14:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability
14:08 jwagner I may have some time to work on that soon.
14:08 owen jwagner: I encourage you to pinpoint the exact combination of factors that leads to the discrepancy
14:09 jwagner Thought I had....
14:09 owen "For a title with an 856 and a physical item with a circulating item type (like book), either only the 856 will show or neither will show"
14:09 jwagner I know what causes it, but I haven't been able to decipher in the code why
14:09 owen That sentence made it sound like it wasn't clear when the problem occurred
14:10 jwagner No, in that situation (856 and circulating item) the display never shows both. It will either only show the 856, or show neither.
14:10 jwagner But if you change the item type to non-circulating, both will show
14:11 jwagner It's somewhere in the murky area of how the system defines availability, I think
14:11 jwagner But if I pull the 856 out of the availability line and put it on a separate line, then everything displays fine.
14:13 owen I'm curious what factor determines whether an 856+circulating record will show the 856 or not
14:13 owen Because I want to understand how it works
14:14 jwagner Me too. But I spent several hours poking around the .xsl file and XSLT.pm and couldn't find it.
14:14 owen But if you're happy with your patch, go ahead and submit it and then we can test it
14:14 jwagner My proposed fix is definitely a workaround. It doesn't fix why the problem occurs because I don't know why the problem occurs.
14:19 jcamins Not related to jwagner's bug, but I have karma for whoever made date formatting strings auto-fill-in for the title.
14:21 owen kf around?
14:21 kf here
14:22 owen I wonder if you can confirm something: standalone .js files aren't processed by the translator are they?
14:22 kf no
14:22 kf there is bug report
14:22 owen I was just starting to file a report about members.js
14:23 owen I see, Bug 4503
14:23 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5, ---, frederic, NEW, Javascript files in js directory are not translated
14:23 kf bug 4503
14:23 kf yep :)
14:23 owen Okay, thanks
14:24 wizzyrea owen: jquery query: say you have a dropdown, and it doesn't necessarily make sense to make a global change to the project to get the default you want, how can you change the default selection with jquery?
14:24 wizzyrea example: in the label creator, it defaults to title search, our libraries like it to be barcode
14:24 wizzyrea I changed the template directly, but they're not allowing us to do that anymore
14:25 owen wizzyrea: I know you can do it, but I have to look it up every time for some reason
14:25 wizzyrea hehe ok then I'll just look it up myself :)
14:25 wizzyrea I thought you might have it on one of the many tips of your brain
14:25 wizzyrea cuz you're smart and stuff. :)
14:26 owen I see some relevant examples here: http://www.myphpetc.com/2009/03/jquery-select-elements-tips-and-tricks.html
14:26 wizzyrea brilliant
14:26 owen My brain doesn't want to retain that particular fact for some reason
14:26 owen Just like my brain won't let me remember that I need to make a dentist appointment
14:26 * wizzyrea giggles
14:26 owen D'oh! Tricked you brain!
14:26 kf owen: members.js was the one where I noticed
14:27 owen kf: There are methods for dealing with it. See basket.js and its use of variables set in the template
14:27 kf yep
14:27 kf thats what I wrote in the bug
14:27 owen "showCartUpdate(MSG_BASKET_EMPTY);"
14:28 kf 'Perhaps error messages should be handled in the template, as basket.js in opac does. ' ;)
14:28 owen You're way ahead of me on all counts :)
14:28 kf no, not really
14:29 kf I felt not brave enough to change the javascript
14:29 kf and atm I have not much time and other more important problems to solve :(
14:30 owen I'm going to go ahead and file a bug specifically for members.js and leave your bug to address the wider question of whether js files /should/ be translated
14:31 kf perhaps you can link them?
14:33 owen I don't think one blocks the other, since we can modify members.js and move the error messages into the memberentrygen.tmpl template
14:35 owen Bug 5056
14:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5056 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Untranslatable strings in members.js
14:35 wizzyrea owen: $("#myselect option:eq(2)").attr("selected", "selected"); worked mahvelously
14:36 wizzyrea with the proper values, of cours
14:36 owen wizzyrea: Just hope that your count of options doesn't change ;)
14:36 wizzyrea ya, it's the label creator so seems fairly static?
14:36 wizzyrea dk, maybe I'll do it by name
14:37 owen I've dealt with similar requests with regard to collection codes, and they folks wonder why things don't work after they add and remove a few
14:37 wizzyrea mmm yea
14:42 kf owen:not blocks, but depends perhaps
14:43 kf msg2 += ("Warning !!!! Duplicate organisation!!!!");
14:43 kf perhaps you can make the messages a bit nicer too... :)
14:44 owen Oh, do you think there aren't enough exclamation points? ;)
14:45 cfrank487 We need to print fine slips for patrons with overdue notices with patron information..
14:47 kf owen: perhaps add some angry looking smileys :)
14:48 cfrank487 hello owen again...i came across another problem...
14:48 cfrank487 i'm testing out koha before we go live.. we trained with your colleague ms. engard..
14:49 cfrank487 here's the problem.. at out library overdue patrons are not allowed to check out books..
14:49 kf cfrank487: atm you cant print a special fine slip
14:49 kf you can print the fines page, but its not formated for a receipt printer
14:49 cfrank487 yeah, that's what i was going to ask...
14:49 cfrank487 we don't use a receipt, just a standard printer..
14:49 kf I think there is a development to do that, but not for 3.2 (afaik)
14:50 cfrank487 i did print a fines page, but we want to customize..i'll guess we'll have to wait until 3.2?
14:51 kf not sure you can do your customization in 3.2
14:51 kf I think the fines page has not changed much
14:51 cfrank487 oh.. we're using 3.0 which is the stable version?
14:52 owen 3.0.6 is the current stable version, but the stable release of 3.2 is coming very soon
14:53 cfrank487 thanks for the info.. 3.01.00.143 is the version we are using..
14:53 kf ah
14:53 kf this is a 3.1 - a development version of 3.2
14:53 kf cfrank487: what do you want to do?
14:54 kf as customization to the fines receipt?
14:54 cfrank487 yes.. so let's say you owe our library $30.00
14:54 cfrank487 and want to check out a book..
14:55 cfrank487 i would have to decline your request and give you a slip stating your fines to give to the business office
14:55 kf ah
14:55 kf perhaps this will help you: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1232
14:55 munin 04Bug 1232: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Add Invoice/Credit/Fines Payed For Day on Issues (Print Page) (Print Slip)
14:55 cfrank487 you would give this to the business office, get a receipt from them and we post that you paid it...
14:55 kf but is has not been pushed to 3.2 - perhaps it will go into 3.2
14:55 kf 3.4
14:56 kf sorry
14:56 cfrank487 i know it's an old fashioned method, but when in rome...
14:59 cfrank487 lright..until the next question, you can bet there will more questions, but I will try to give you a break..
15:03 owen Oh, is it break time?
15:03 * owen kicks back.
15:52 wizzyrea hm, what is usually the problem when you get Error exporting report when trying to export CSV?
15:52 wizzyrea the error log isn't all that helpful
15:54 briceSanc hi!
15:55 wizzyrea oh, this is the error: guided_reports.pl: PARAM:LOOP:loop argument:array pointer was expected but not found at /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0/HTML/Template/Pro.pm line 191., referer: http://lecompton.nekls.org:8080/cgi-bin/koha/reports/guided_reports.pl?reports=4&phase=Run%20this%20report
15:55 briceSanc is there any tutorial to install multiple koha on the same system ?
16:04 owen briceSanc: Have you Googled for the answer? It has probably come up on the mailing list before
16:05 * wizzyrea googled hers, but the only time it occurred no one answered :(
16:06 owen wizzyrea: At least you know it's not just a quirk of your system
16:08 wizzyrea or it's the same quirk of my system that it was of his
16:08 owen And you guys can be quirk-buddies.
16:08 tance how it is better to install koha from git?
16:08 wizzyrea that sounds dirty
16:09 tance or from the zip file
16:11 owen tance: If you're comfortable with git, it makes upgrading much easier
16:12 owen It also allows you to make local customizations in git branches which can be easily merged with new development
16:12 tance the version 3.00.06 is stable or not?
16:13 tance because a have a lot of troubleshoots
16:13 tance when i search on the opac it show ony rexult
16:13 tance *result
16:14 tance the same and the staff client, no result found
16:14 owen 3.00.06 is the latest stable version.
16:15 jcamins tance: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#16
16:15 tance am new user on koha and linux os
16:15 tance i saw this link
16:16 tance somthing is going wrong with C4 /cantext module
16:17 jcamins tance: The problem is with your PERL5LIB environment variable.
16:17 tance i dont know what to do
16:17 tance with PERL5LIB
16:18 tance CAN u tell me waht to do
16:18 tance some instruction
16:18 wizzyrea export PERL5LIB=/path/to/koha
16:19 wizzyrea if you've done it with standard install: it's usually export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha
16:19 wizzyrea if you've done it with dev install
16:19 wizzyrea it's usually /home/yourusername/kohaclone
16:20 wizzyrea or something
16:22 tance im on ubuntu 10.04
16:22 wizzyrea kinda irrelevant
16:22 wizzyrea useful to know though
16:24 wizzyrea ok
16:24 wizzyrea 1. log in as your koha user
16:24 wizzyrea 2.
16:24 wizzyrea type at the command prompt
16:24 wizzyrea no quotes: "export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha"
16:24 wizzyrea 3. try to run your index
16:28 tance just to type at terminal "export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha
16:28 wizzyrea yes, as your koha user
16:28 tance sorry because i am new user on koha and linux OS
16:28 wizzyrea it's ok :)
16:41 jcamins Huh. Weird problem: if you search for tag 005 in the frameworks editor, you don't get a link to go back.
16:42 jcamins (that is, a link to go back so you can see 001 and 003)
16:47 tance i did all of these but nothing hapen
16:49 kf bye :)
16:51 wizzyrea did you reindex after you added your environment variable?
16:52 wizzyrea aside, I find it amusing that there's a column in the messaging preferences for "days in advance" when only one option allows that
16:52 wizzyrea I want to get my checkout notices before I even check out my books!
16:52 wizzyrea </sarcasm>
16:53 wizzyrea Koha should read my mind!
16:53 owen It would certainly make it easier to find the books you were going to check out
16:53 owen You'd have your list in hand!
16:53 wizzyrea hehe
16:54 owen You could get into all kinds of cool "Minority Report" situations
16:54 owen "Why did I check out a book on how to murder my wife?"
16:54 wizzyrea I'm wondering if there's a reason we have a "do not notify" column as well
16:54 wizzyrea doesn't unchecking the email tickboxes mean you dont get notices?
16:55 wizzyrea is there another notification that could be sent unless the "do not notify" checkbox is checked?
16:56 briceSanc sorry wizzyrea it was my dinner time
16:57 briceSanc is there a koha forum?
16:57 wizzyrea no, we have very active mailing lists though
16:57 owen http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
16:58 briceSanc ok
16:58 briceSanc i check that
16:58 wizzyrea i really like that that page shows the latest messages. Something about it, I just like it.
16:59 owen I hadn't see that wizzyrea, that's really cool!
16:59 wizzyrea was trying to bring home the point that we've got active lists :)
17:00 jcamins Wow! That's really nice!
17:07 tance how to reindex zebra on ubuntu 10.04?
17:10 wizzyrea tance: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;h=771a8424f82a426ffc1b9d2569f16e593052a2e6;hb=HEAD#l320
17:11 wizzyrea actuall
17:11 wizzyrea y
17:11 wizzyrea this is better: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;h=771a8424f82a426ffc1b9d2569f16e593052a2e6;hb=HEAD#l284
17:21 wizzyrea I suppose I ought to pull that bit out, clean it up, and make it a FAQ
17:21 wizzyrea lots of caveats in that process though
17:21 wizzyrea *sigh*
17:22 tance i try this but is says koha is not in sudoers file
17:23 tance im going crazy
17:23 tance why so dificult to install koh
17:23 tance a
17:25 wizzyrea http://kenno.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/howto-add-user-to-sudoers-list-in-debianubuntu/ <- to address your sudoer issue
17:26 wizzyrea we need to move the admonition to export environment variables out of the installation file and into the install docs
17:26 wizzyrea or at least copy it
17:26 wizzyrea objections?
17:44 jcamins wizzyrea: A very good idea.
17:54 jcamins Does anyone know how authorities are linked to genre terms?
17:54 jcamins (MARC21 655)
17:58 jcamins Ah-ha.
17:58 jcamins There is a subfield 9 missing from the framework.
18:10 tance im trying to make e fresh install of koha
18:12 tance what is recomended to install from git or from koha 3.00.06 tar.gz file?
18:14 tance please reply anyone is mergency
18:14 tance *emergency
18:16 owen tance: If you're comfortable with git, it makes upgrading much easier
18:16 owen It also allows you to make local customizations in git branches which can be easily merged with new development
18:17 owen If you're not comfortable with git, it may not be worth it to be struggling with another new thing to learn
18:17 * owen is trying to imagine what causes a Koha installation emergency
18:18 tance git is stable version
18:18 chris owen++ #for the marketing comment
18:18 owen tance: It depends which version you get from git.
18:19 owen You can get the stable version from git, or you can get the latest, possibly unstable version
18:19 tance ok thanks
18:19 tance i can get any version i want
18:20 tance ?
18:24 jcamins owen: board of directors breathing down your neck?
18:24 jcamins epic budget cuts?
18:25 owen The only way to diffuse this bomb is to install Koha?
18:25 wizzyrea consultant that only has x hours of work left to get this dang thing working?
18:25 wizzyrea ;)
18:25 jcamins wizzyrea: Yeah, I guess that's probably it.
18:25 wizzyrea and a plane ticket that sends them home at the end that's already bought
18:26 * wizzyrea has heard this story before
18:26 cait hi all :)
18:26 schuster with a promise that it can be done remotely...
18:27 owen That's good guys, let it all out ;)
18:27 jcamins owen's idea is more fun, though. A bomb hooked up to a screenscraper that can only handle Koha, and a file full of MARC records it's going to e looking for?
18:28 chris i suspect given how much trouble he/she had with environment variables after being told by 6 different people ... if its a bomb we are all dead
18:29 wizzyrea pssst.... he's still here ;)
18:29 chris not im my irc client
18:30 wizzyrea AH, indeed you're correct, I didn't see his D/C
18:30 jcamins I waited until after s/he'd quit to unleash my pent-up snark.
18:30 wizzyrea nvm, continue the snarkfest
18:30 chris and after 3 days of ppl saying set PERL5LIB .. i wouldnt actually care if they were :)
18:31 wizzyrea lol
18:31 cait tance?
18:32 owen chris, I have a git question for you. Say I have a bunch of branches I'm working on. Is there a way to do a batch rebase of them all?
18:32 jcamins cait: Yep.
18:33 chris owen: nope, i rebase them as i switch to them, for whatever reason, ie first think i do after any git checkout is fetch and rebase (or sometimes pull depends on the branch)
18:34 owen Okay, that's what I've been doing. I thought there might be some magic I was missing.
18:34 owen I'd love to be able to batch rebase a bunch of branches and have it abort any with merge problems
18:35 chris there are bound to be git tools that do something like that
18:55 brendan hi
18:56 cait hi brendan
18:56 jcamins Hello.
18:56 brendan :)
19:23 brendan @wunder 93117
19:23 munin brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 20.6�C (12:24 PM PDT on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
20:18 cfrank487 can we schedule reports on koha?
20:20 owen Theoretically. There is the task scheduler. (Tools -> Task scheduler)
20:20 owen I've never used it myself.
20:21 cfrank487 i've tried but i was never able to get it to work..
20:21 wizzyrea there is some trick to it, but if you have access to your server
20:21 wizzyrea it's just as easy to use cron to schedule reports
20:21 cfrank487 cron?
20:22 wizzyrea chris knows more about it, doing it through the web interface involves some back end configuration, something about at
20:22 wizzyrea yes, unix's crontab
20:24 cfrank487 oh, ok the reason i ask because our circulation manager wanted to get daily reports of overdue materials
20:24 chris at actually
20:24 chris Not cron
20:24 wizzyrea right, through the web interface you have to configure at
20:24 cfrank487 she could always just run the report, but i thought if it would be cool(and less time-consuming) if she received an e-mail
20:24 wizzyrea but you can always use cron for that
20:24 wizzyrea 2 ways :)
20:25 wizzyrea seewhatimean
20:25 chris Yup
20:25 cfrank487 ok..how do we get it or develop it?
20:26 chris owen++ #for the new blog post
20:27 chris Build the report in the report builder, using sql save it
20:28 chris Then you can signoff halfway thru
20:29 chris For the log, you can then set up cron to run the script knowing the id of the report
20:30 chris Ill paste syntax when I'm at a computer
20:31 richard hi
20:31 wizzyrea hey richard
20:31 richard hi wizzyrea
20:33 chris Hi richard
20:33 richard heya chris
20:34 richard 'nother wonderful day in paradise :)
20:34 chris Heh
20:34 chris Yeah its a bit damp
21:18 wizzyrea owen++ owen++ for several really really great blog posts
21:19 chris yup
21:23 nengard hi all, i need some report writing help - i'm looking to generate a report of all the bibs that have cookery in the subject
21:23 nengard SELECT biblionumber, ExtractValue('//datafield[@tag="650"]/subfield[@code>="a"]') AS lcsh FROM biblioitems WHERE lcsh LIKE '%cookery%'
21:23 nengard and this does nothing
21:24 chris um yeah it wont
21:24 nengard hehe
21:24 nengard i've had a rough day
21:25 chris cos you havent told it what field to extract that data from
21:25 chris 2 secs ill just finish my email
21:25 chris and ill write ya a query
21:25 nengard LOL - that would help
21:26 pianohac1 nengard: chris might have a more comprehensive solution, but try putting marcxml before the '//datafield...
21:26 pianohac1 so it reads like ExtractValue(marcxml, '//datafield etc. etc. etc.
21:26 nengard yeah - that's what i forgot .... i did some deleting and must have gotten rid of it accidentally
21:27 nengard SELECT biblionumber, ExtractValue(marcxml, '//datafield[@tag="650"]/subfield[@code>="a"]') AS lcsh FROM biblioitems WHERE lcsh LIKE '%cookery%'
21:27 nengard nada - and i did a search there is at least one bib that should come up
21:28 chris are you running it at the commandline, cos that will tell you why its not working :)
21:28 chris SELECT biblionumber, ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="650"]/subfield[@code>="a"]') AS lcsh FROM biblioitems WHERE lcsh LIKE '%cookery%';
21:28 chris ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'lcsh' in 'where clause'
21:28 chris heres how i would do it
21:29 pianohack @later tell wizzyrea I really like the recent activity thing on the mailing lists page; would it be possible to show a date for each message?
21:30 munin pianohack: The operation succeeded.
21:30 wizzyrea hmm
21:30 wizzyrea I'm not sure
21:30 wizzyrea if that's part of the RSS feed, sure
21:30 wizzyrea but I'm not sure it is
21:30 pianohack k
21:30 wizzyrea but I will check
21:30 wizzyrea :)
21:31 pianohack Sorry, pidgin sorts ops-first and I can't seem to get that into my little brain
21:32 wizzyrea :D
21:32 wizzyrea sok
21:32 wizzyrea I can sling some intelligence related epithets at you if you'd like
21:33 wizzyrea but iti's not really necessary
21:33 wizzyrea ;)
21:33 wizzyrea well, and would be patently false, in addition
21:34 nengard chris ....
21:35 nengard how would you do it? :)
21:35 chris still writing my email, gimme a sec :)
21:35 nengard oh!!
21:35 nengard okay
21:35 nengard hehe
21:35 chris ok, now thats sent
21:35 chris ok, id use a subquery
21:35 chris eg
21:35 chris select biblionumber,lcsh from (SELECT biblionumber, ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="650"]/subfield[@code>="a"]') AS lcsh FROM biblioitems) as subjects where lcsh like "%cookery%";
21:35 chris try that
21:37 nengard nada
21:38 chris i get 765 rows
21:38 chris | 93312 | COOKERY (NATURAL FOODS) NATURAL FOODS CHILDREN - NUTRITION |
21:38 nengard i only have 1 cookery in my catalog
21:38 nengard but it's there
21:38 chris | 94211 | COOKERY CONFECTIONERY |
21:38 nengard 650 #0 - SUBJECT ADDED ENTRY--TOPICAL TERM
21:38 nengard a Topical term or geographic name as entry element Cookery Auth
21:38 nengard v Form subdivision Periodicals.
21:38 nengard brb
21:39 chris nengard: are you running this in mysql?
21:39 jcamins nengard: Did you check to make sure you're using a recent veresion of MySQL?
21:39 jcamins Debian has a really old version by default.
21:40 nengard i'm running it in the reports tool
21:40 chris yeah, try it at the commandline first
21:40 nengard jcamins
21:40 nengard mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2
21:40 chris cos it gives you nicer output
21:41 chris if there is a syntax error or whatever it will catch it
21:41 jcamins nengard: There's your problem.
21:41 chris the reports tool, just hides it
21:41 chris and yeah, thats too old, that cant do extractvalue
21:41 nengard ERROR 1305 (42000): FUNCTION koha.ExtractValue does not exist
21:41 nengard k
21:41 jcamins You need at least 5.1.5.
21:41 jcamins I don't know how to get a new version on Debian.
21:41 nengard is there an easy way to upgrade? apt-get or something?
21:44 chris you are running lenny right?
21:44 jcamins I don't know, and the security guard just made his "we're closing now" announcement, but I look forward to checking the scrollback this evening and reading about the solution. :)
21:44 jcamins Good night, all.
21:44 nengard yes chris
21:44 chris ill just see if there is a nice backport for you
21:45 nengard Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
21:46 chris http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/mysql-server-5.1
21:46 chris you are in luck
21:46 nengard ooooo
21:46 chris http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
21:46 nengard now what do i do?
21:46 nengard ah
21:46 nengard thanks
21:47 chris so apt-get -t lenny-backports install mysql-server (once yyou have done steps 1 and 2)
21:49 nengard step 2 running now
21:49 chris coolio
21:50 nengard error:
21:50 nengard Fetched 1125kB in 4s (252kB/s)
21:50 nengard W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
21:50 nengard W: Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/non-fre/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found
21:50 nengard E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
21:50 chris typo
21:50 chris non-free
21:50 chris not non-fre
21:50 nengard heh
21:50 nengard if you knew the day i had - i'll rant when i get this fixed
21:50 chris bad cut and paste in step 1 :)
21:51 nengard Reading package lists... Done
21:51 nengard W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
21:51 nengard W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
21:51 nengard wasn't i just running apt-get update?? :)
21:52 chris yeah thats ok, we can live with that message for now
21:52 nengard k
21:52 chris if you want it to go away
21:52 chris wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | sudo apt-key add -
21:53 nengard already running step 3
21:54 nengard bingo
21:54 nengard one result!
21:54 nengard next question - will that only pull it if it's in the first 650?
21:56 chris shouldnt do
21:56 chris but it might
21:57 chris no
21:57 chris it will get it from all
21:57 chris eg
21:57 chris <datafield tag="650" ind1=" " ind2=" ">
21:57 chris <subfield code="a">COOKERY (NATURAL FOODS)</subfield>
21:57 chris <subfield code="a">NATURAL FOODS</subfield>
21:57 chris <subfield code="a">CHILDREN - NUTRITION</subfield>
21:57 chris </datafield>
21:57 chris | 93312 | COOKERY (NATURAL FOODS) NATURAL FOODS CHILDREN - NUTRITION
21:57 chris it gets extracted into one value
22:00 nengard k
22:00 nengard thank you!!!!
22:11 one2one hi
22:11 one2one hi
22:13 one2one when i try to install koha via git i can choose the version i want ? for example 3.00.06
22:14 one2one or automatically it gets the latest version?
22:15 one2one hello
22:15 pianohack hey one2one
22:15 pianohack It automatically gets the latest unstable version
22:15 pianohack If you want an earlier version
22:15 pianohack run git tag
22:16 pianohack look for a version that meets your needs
22:16 pianohack then run git checkout <version name>
22:17 pianohack If you just want the latest 3.0.x, run git checkout -b origin/3.0.x
23:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4989: set DB rev to 145 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=572670d377bfe11357316c4f9d69a9c5f00e5649> / (bug 4989) add index on guarantorid <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a72c8d07a5323958fb87eb0609b8070359d7944b>
23:32 moodaepo1 @wunder 56001
23:32 munin moodaepo1: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 29.2�C (6:31 PM CDT on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Steady).
23:32 brendan @wunder 93117
23:32 munin brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 23.9�C (4:34 PM PDT on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
23:32 brendan hi moodaepo1
23:33 moodaepo1 brendan: Hey. Drove by your part of the landscape couple of weeks ago pretty awesome : )
23:33 brendan yeah pretty isn't it
23:34 moodaepo1 Got sucked into a tourist trap of a town built by some Dutchmen escaped with a cowboy hat.
23:34 brendan ah solvang
23:35 brendan that's a great town for danishes
23:35 * moodaepo1 thinks it was Solvang
23:35 brendan also really great vineyards - that's where they shot the movie "sideways"
23:36 moodaepo1 nice. wish I'd tried some danishes...found out getting a beer in wine country is *hard*
23:44 brendan heh - yup wines the way to go