Time Nick Message 23:45 chris back 23:05 robin yeah. I think I have to agree with that. 23:04 brendan I'd go for the 10 !!! not the 42 22:53 munin robin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 22:53 robin @wunder wellington, nz 22:53 munin robin: Error: "winder" is not a valid command. 22:53 robin @winder wellington, nz 22:53 robin I'm not sure if I would prefer that, or this: 22:52 brendan 42 now that's hot! 22:52 munin brendan: The current temperature in Daggett-Barstow, California is 42.0�C (3:31 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 4%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 22:52 brendan @wunder baker ca 22:51 munin brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 24.6�C (3:54 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling). 22:51 brendan @wunder 93117 22:51 brendan afternoon #koha 20:34 richard hi 20:27 chris Bbl 20:27 wizzyrea gl 20:26 chris Right bus stop, then off to a client 20:26 wizzyrea if you need some reading material in the final moments of your day 20:26 wizzyrea http://inventors.about.com/od/xyzstartinventions/a/zipcode.htm 20:26 wizzyrea it's kind of an interesting story 20:26 collum Ah. Thanks wizzyrea. 20:25 wizzyrea zip stands for "Zoning Improvement Plan" 20:25 * collum is now wondering where 'zip' came from. 20:25 wizzyrea aha 20:24 chris Post codes here 20:24 chris We don't got them 20:24 wizzyrea alphabetise 20:24 chris Zip code 20:24 chris There's a few 20:24 wizzyrea check out vs. issue 20:24 chris Check in vs return 20:23 chris Yes 20:23 wizzyrea ;) 20:23 wizzyrea holds vs. reserves, for example? Catalogue vs. catalog? 20:23 wizzyrea but I do see your point 20:22 * wizzyrea would rather not do a whole translation for a teeny lil change like that 20:22 chris That's how I fix all your crazy words 20:22 wizzyrea also that 20:22 chris Translations 20:22 nengard obvious i'm for 'gender' 20:22 chris Or better wizzy 20:21 wizzyrea I would vote for gender too 20:21 wizzyrea it 20:21 wizzyrea and it can always be changed using jquery if you don't like 20:21 jcamins_a I would vote for gender. 20:21 collum yep 20:21 wizzyrea I think the question is how best to label the field 20:21 chris Problem solved 20:21 chris Ira tangata 20:20 jcamins_a Yes. 20:20 jcamins_a There are actual terms that fall under "other," but I've forgotten what the correct way to express "transgendered, presenting as feminine," etc. 20:20 collum Isn't there an option in koha not to choose male/female? 20:20 wizzyrea going with what you see is inaccurate at best 20:19 wizzyrea and how would you classify that person in the binary of "male/female" 20:19 wizzyrea because a person you are presented with, may be one sex, but presenting as a different gender 20:19 jcamins_a collum: but gender can also include "other." 20:19 wizzyrea you're better off going with gender 20:18 wizzyrea mm, I think, at least in publics 20:18 * collum throws in his 2 cents before he goes home. sex = male/female gender = masculine/feminine. I vote sex. 20:11 wizzyrea k i will 20:10 jcamins_a "gender" isn't. 20:10 nengard i mean gender ;) hehe 20:10 nengard owen every library i train says it should be sex 20:10 jcamins_a "sex" is binary. 20:10 nengard wizzyrea when you get a chance can you pull the manual from git again - i added yet another appendix :) 20:09 owen What's the matter with "sex?" 20:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5020 trivial, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, on patron record sex should be gender 20:09 owen Bug 5020 19:57 chris Hi alan 19:55 chris Back 19:53 owen My library doesn't do patron photos, so I guess that's why. 19:51 jcamins_a You don't check books out to patrons with similar names all the time? 19:50 owen Huh... patron photos in patron search results. Why didn't I think of that? 19:50 jcamins_a Although I guess I should file bugs for the missing MARC21 subfields I've come across. 19:49 DRUlm Alright! 19:49 wizzyrea sweeet 19:49 jcamins_a Well, it's not really news, but if anyone was wondering, I can confirm that Koha is a great option for cataloging private antiquarian book collections. 19:48 DRUlm no news is good news, eh? :) 19:48 wizzyrea and your path to your koha-conf.xml 19:47 wizzyrea where /path/to/koha is the path to your koha install 19:47 wizzyrea and export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml 19:47 wizzyrea you do that with export PERL5LIB=/path/to/koha 19:47 wizzyrea for your koha user 19:47 wizzyrea you need to define your environment variables 19:46 wizzyrea CGI415: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#18 19:45 * chris goes to catch his bus back soon 19:44 CGI415 it says cant locate c4 /context 19:44 DRUlm Debian? 19:44 CGI415 i try to rebuilt zebra 19:44 DRUlm Shoe Horn 19:43 CGI415 c4/context isnt installù 19:43 DRUlm What is the news? 19:43 gmcharlt wizzyrea: 0470034548 19:43 DRUlm Hello all. 19:42 chris im sure there is 19:42 wizzyrea because that's what I need. 19:42 wizzyrea is there a "cricket for dummies" 19:42 chris football then :) 19:42 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHEDY3lrAY 19:42 jcamins_a My parents' philosophy was always "if the kids are running around playing, they're doing *something* right." 19:41 wizzyrea ^^ 19:41 owen The great thing about a bunch of koha kids running around playing cricket is that I would have no idea whether they were doing it right 19:41 wizzyrea hehehe 19:41 cfouts despite my ancestry, I appear to be incapable of understanding cricket, however. 19:41 cfouts chris: thanks so much! it's mind-blowing and wonderful. 19:40 wizzyrea ^^ that would be so silly fun 19:40 jcamins_a briceSanc: I think this may have come up on the mailing list... did you check the archives? I'm out of ideas. :( 19:40 chris cfouts: i dont think ive said congratulations on the kiddo yet, so here it is :-) in a few years we'll have enough kids for #koha cricket team :-) 19:40 wizzyrea doh I was just typing that! 19:40 jcamins_a CGI415: you need to make sure PERL5LIB is set correctly. 19:39 briceSanc it doesn't works 19:38 CGI415 how to install the c4/context 19:29 jcamins_a Hm. 19:29 briceSanc i check the config file 19:28 briceSanc and yes for OPAC 19:28 briceSanc yes for clean, fresh install 19:27 briceSanc yes 19:27 jwagner briceSanc, it sounds like something might be screwed up in one of the indexing config files. This is a clean, fresh install? 19:27 jcamins_a And when you try a search in the OPAC, nothing shows up? 19:27 briceSanc erf... always the same problem with zebraidx(13760) [warn] Index 'any' not found in attset(s) 19:24 jcamins_a I don't actually have access to any Koha installations, though, so I can't really advise beyond that. 19:24 jcamins_a CGI415: you need to provide the complete path to rebuild_zebra.pl. 19:23 CGI415 is unknown command 19:23 CGI415 rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r 19:23 CGI415 when i try 19:22 briceSanc i will try it now 19:22 jcamins_a Maybe try creating a record, reindexing, and searching for it? 19:22 briceSanc i just import authorities 19:21 briceSanc there's nothing in zebra 19:21 jcamins_a I think we always got that warning, too, and our searches worked fine. 19:21 briceSanc it's a fresh install of Koha 3.02 19:21 jcamins_a briceSanc: are there any problems with searches? 19:20 briceSanc yes KOHA_CONF is set 19:20 CGI415 2.4 procesor 19:20 CGI415 40 gb hdd 19:19 CGI415 horizontal orientation 19:19 CGI415 i s old 19:19 CGI415 dell i dont know exactly 19:19 jcamins_a briceSanc: check that your KOHA_CONF variable is set. 19:18 zico ok... Altu shona...which Dell? :D 19:17 zico which Dell? 19:17 zico there are some problem with some Dell computers 19:17 zico I mean... brand name 19:17 CGI415 intel pentium 4 19:16 zico CGI415: Dell which version? 19:16 briceSanc how fix it ? 19:16 CGI415 computer 19:16 briceSanc i have this error when i want to rebuild zebra : zebraidx(13760) [warn] Index 'any' not found in attset(s) 19:16 CGI415 dell 19:15 zico CGI415: can you please specify your hardware? 19:15 briceSanc hello 19:15 zico which version? 19:15 CGI415 10.04 19:15 CGI415 ubuntu 19:15 zico but.. .what is your machine? I mean..which OS? 19:14 zico that`s for sure 19:14 CGI415 koha 19:14 zico CGI415: what server are you using? 19:14 CGI415 *processes 19:14 CGI415 and i was on root user not on koha user when i run the zebra procesis 19:11 CGI415 tutorial a have choose the second option to install zebra deamon 19:11 CGI415 on ubuntu.install 19:10 CGI415 i saw this tutorial but nothing happen 19:09 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 19:09 CGI415 *when 19:08 CGI415 whrn i search 19:08 CGI415 i add a new record but it doesnt show in my catalog 19:08 CGI415 a have a problem with koha 3.00.06 19:07 CGI415 hi 19:00 zico :) 19:00 sekjal zico: here's hoping it all goes smoothly for you 18:59 zico Thanks in advance sekjal 18:59 zico ok... :) lemme check 18:58 sekjal zico: from the command line, you can send yourself an email with mail -s "Test" email@example.com. Type a message, Ctl-D to continue 18:55 cait morning chris 18:55 chris morning 18:54 zico sekjal: ok thanks. After that how can I check that if my Koha server is sending email or not? 18:53 sekjal there is the main.cf file which you may need to adjust to match your local system and network settings, but usually the defaults are pretty good 18:53 zico sekjal: do I need to manually configure any configuration file of postfix? 18:52 sekjal sudo apt-get install postfix will get it for you, and then you'd just need to remove sendmail (if it's installed), and the config will make postfix your default MTA 18:51 zico yep debian 5.0 release 0 18:51 sekjal are you on debian? 18:51 sekjal it's pretty straight-forward 18:51 sekjal nothing written up, no, but I'm working on that 18:49 zico it will be really helpful for me 18:49 zico sekjai: do you have any documentation on setup postfix in Koha? 18:48 sekjal zico: I'm fond of postfix 18:47 zico what do you suggest me to use? Sendmail? or Qmail or anything other?? 18:47 zico to users 18:47 zico I want to enable email system in my Koha-3.0.5 for overdue notice and email 18:47 zico hello all 18:22 jwagner Because I tested it on an old system as well as current head -- same problem both places. So it's been around a while, but it looks like no one has spotted it. At least I didn't find anything relevant searching bugzilla 18:20 owen why new/old? 18:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab 18:19 jwagner Found a new/old bug, for your viewing pleasure :-) Bug 5051 17:47 rhcl_lurk We don't keep SSN's specifically in our DB, but in those cases where the SSN is the driver's license number those may be in our DB. 17:46 rhcl_lurk I understand that for "a while" drivers in Missouri were able to select to use their SSN as their drivers license number. 17:39 sekjal if you feed the entire OPAC over SSL, it's pretty simple. but you don't necessarily want to do that just for the casual searcher who will never log in 17:38 wizzyrea probably tougher 17:38 jwagner We did a patch a while back to let enhanced content work with SSL 17:38 wizzyrea can the same be done for the OPAC logins? 17:38 wizzyrea so it's not totally bullet proof, but better 17:38 wizzyrea aha 17:37 cfouts there are bugs in that some of the internal links Koha produces will send you back to the HTTP port 17:37 sekjal owen: getting the staff client over SSL can be done pretty easily with koha-httpd.conf 17:37 wizzyrea :) thanks 17:37 wizzyrea lolol 17:37 cfouts it's been there all along 17:37 wizzyrea lol or has it been there all along 17:37 wizzyrea did you really just set that up cfouts? 17:36 cfouts wizzyrea: https://nekls-staff.kohalibrary.com/ 17:36 wizzyrea but it's not documented anywhere 17:36 owen sekjal: Can you elaborate on your reservations? 17:35 jwagner wizzyrea, we've implemented that for clients too. It can be done. 17:35 sekjal but it's not as elegant an implementation as I'd like 17:35 sekjal wizzyrea: we have SSL on a couple of our client's systems 17:35 wizzyrea because well, that needs to be done 17:34 wizzyrea ok, dumb question of the day, because I don't know: can you use SSL with koha? and would it be hard to implement if it doesn't? 17:34 nengard and before that "use encryption to protect SSNs within patron databases," 17:34 wizzyrea ooh thanks for that link collum 17:33 collum in short "Libraries should ... investigate other methods of uniquely identifying patrons and tracing those who have outstanding fines or overdue materials." 17:33 collum There's a small blurb from the ALA on this page. http://bit.ly/dwmwpA 17:33 nengard I would think it would put us at risk if our customers were entering SSNs 17:32 nengard couldn't they all sue the hosting provider?? 17:31 wizzyrea heh yea 17:31 jwagner Haven't they heard of identity theft??? 17:31 wizzyrea I did, they don't care. 17:31 jwagner Tell them it's a legal issue -- patrons are liable to sue the pants off them if there's ever a data breach. And with Koha using plaintext transmission, you can't guarantee security no matter where it's hosted. 17:30 wizzyrea lol no, that was my response to my people here 17:30 jwagner or them? 17:30 jwagner me? 17:29 wizzyrea YOU'RE DOING WHAT??!!!?!?! 17:29 wizzyrea I'm on your side :P 17:29 wizzyrea don't talk to me 17:29 * jwagner pulls wizzyrea aside for a talk :-)\ 17:29 wizzyrea (i"m against keeping that data, fwiw) 17:29 wizzyrea yea, a hosting company should have a talk with any clients that do that 17:28 wizzyrea (our libraries use it to get lost items paid for) 17:28 jwagner I think any company that hosts client data would have a concern with that.... 17:28 wizzyrea heh, they tell me that if the person gives it willingly it's not illegal to keep it 17:28 nengard which probably kept you out of jail :) hehe 17:27 jwagner wizzyrea, I had a major problem with a site I'm implementing now because the ONLY available data from the registrar was SSN and I flatly refused to load it. 17:27 nengard even health insurance companies can't use our SSN anymore 17:27 wizzyrea I sure hope so 17:27 nengard isn't that illegal??? 17:27 wizzyrea kill me now. 17:27 wizzyrea we have libraries putting the SSN in our databases. O M G. 17:26 wizzyrea well i think we're going to have to look into ssl anyway, for the staff client 17:24 wizzyrea yea, which is easier. 17:24 owen Or train your patrons to close the browser when they log out 17:24 wizzyrea you're right, that probably is the only solution 17:24 wizzyrea my people want to make it as secure as a bank site. 17:24 owen But I think the only solution is to use SSL 17:23 owen Yes, and gotten complaints about it 17:23 wizzyrea so say you're logged in, and you click log out 17:23 wizzyrea info* 17:23 wizzyrea has anybody noted the fact that logged out patrons, if you hit the back button, it still shows your account inof 17:23 jwagner Drat, chris_n isn't online.... 16:51 dritan thanks 16:50 owen dritan: That link is for you :) 16:48 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 16:48 dritan yes im using 16:47 dritan my koha version is 3.00.06 16:47 owen dritan: What version of Koha, and are you using Zebra? 16:47 dritan opac and admin 16:47 dritan when i add new record. i desnt show in my library 16:45 jwagner It's a very crafty bug -- they're learning to hide in the dark corners, you know.... 16:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Error in bottom menu/submenu for select language in intranet 16:45 owen The worst part of bug 5048 is that I should have caught it and fixed it before 3.0. 16:38 owen Ask away dritan 16:34 dritan i have some questions 16:33 dritan is anybody here 16:33 dritan hello 16:28 jwagner Took me a while to figure out why testing the links kept going back to the old server :-( 16:28 jwagner Instead of hardcoding the full server URL for a predefined search, they just needed to start with /cgi/koha whatever 16:28 * owen has been bitten by that bug 16:27 jwagner Something someone did as a customization, that doesn't work when you transfer to a different server, sigh. 16:25 owen ? 16:22 * jwagner grumbles at hardcoded URLs in OPAC text blocks instead of relative links 16:06 nengard wait - i know that name :) hi cfouts!! 16:04 wizzyrea too true :) 16:04 cfouts hi, wizzyrea. long time, no irc. 15:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Error in bottom menu/submenu for select language in intranet 15:56 * owen grumbles at the TMPL tangle of Bug 5048 15:54 wizzyrea :D 15:54 wizzyrea cfouts! hey! 15:54 cfouts howdy, owen 15:50 owen Hi cfouts 15:24 druthb hi, cait! :D 15:24 cait hi druthb :) 15:24 cait hi jwagner 15:23 jwagner Hi cait 15:23 cait hi all 15:10 wizzyrea anyway, thanks owen 15:10 wizzyrea an opac 15:10 wizzyrea I have a opac re-design percolating (the header/sidebar stuff) 15:09 owen Right on 15:08 wizzyrea ^.^ 15:08 wizzyrea http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org 15:01 * wizzyrea is having a third monday in a row 15:01 wizzyrea der, lol, I'll look at the original 15:01 owen The one in my example, or the original? 15:01 wizzyrea and height, for that matter 15:01 wizzyrea just curious, what's the width of the graphic you're using? 14:58 owen ...and surprised no one had ever asked before now 14:57 owen I was surprised at how nice it looked :) 14:55 * wizzyrea goes to change the NExpress one 14:55 wizzyrea and I bet your koha login has an Athens county logo on it now ;) 14:54 wizzyrea owen++ you are so helpful. I appreciate you every day 14:54 owen Mailing list post -> FAQ -> Long-winded blog post: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=612 13:35 gmcharlt pardon me, my mistake - I thought hdl had pushed it there 13:34 owen Why a regression? It's not in 3.0.x 13:33 magnus um, regression? 13:26 gmcharlt yes - I think otherwise it would be a regression from 3.0 13:26 magnus thanks, gmcharlt. more a question for paul_p then, perhaps... but would you push it even it was complete? it does introduce some new strings 13:23 nengard ttyl 13:23 nengard if that patch isn't pushed we should remove the system preference that goes along with it - it's confusing 13:22 gmcharlt magnus: the patch exists, but needs additional work 13:22 nengard oops - gotta run - webinar in 30 - got to log in :) 13:19 magnus perhaps gmcharlt could shed some light on this? 13:19 magnus there is a link to it from the bug 13:18 magnus i think it's this one: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-December/004973.html 13:18 nengard but i think someone said they couldn't actually find the patch.. 13:18 nengard me too magnus 13:11 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3881 blocker, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy 13:11 * magnus wonders if the patch from paul_p for bug 3881 will make it into 3.2 13:09 nengard Docbook allows me to credit each section with a different author - which I have done - but it doesn't show on the HTML - something we haven't been able to figure out yet ... so I like to show the git commits so you see the XML that does indeed credit the person who wrote the section 13:09 magnus sure! 13:08 nengard owen++ :) 13:08 magnus nengard++ 13:07 nengard added owen's faq about customizing the staff client logo to the manual: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commitdiff;h=936d9da9479beab257485af43067439838f510a0 12:57 nengard they change strings - so i figured they'd be pushed to 3.4 12:57 nengard K I did :) 12:57 gmcharlt nengard: submit patches against head 12:49 irma U cheered me up! Have a good day. G'night. 12:44 jwagner Nah, my computer is my only friend, sometimes.... 12:43 irma a long bike ride at sunrise will cheer me up and get me Koha ready for the day! 12:41 irma It's the sitting and being attached to my computers that gets to me too ... 12:23 jwagner irma, I know the feeling :-( And it's not even Monday. It just _feels_ like it.... 12:22 irma to do it well and test it over and over grrr 12:21 irma hi jwagner ... I am feeling down :-( everything takes sooo long 12:18 jwagner Hi irma 12:13 irma Hi all 11:40 nengard is there a public branch for 3.4 yet? or are we just submitting patches against HEAD and they'll be ignored until 3.4? 10:26 Ropuch Searching catalog without results might be related to zebra server 10:25 Ropuch Or just searching catalog? 10:25 Ropuch You mean z3950 search while cataloging? 10:06 dritan does everyone know why dont work the search cataloging in koha 3.00.06 10:05 dritan hello+ 09:50 cait ok, time to catch my bus - bye all 09:23 magnus ;-) 09:15 * cait feels at home in #koha :) 09:14 magnus cait: well, they sink in, eventually 09:14 magnus Cait: ahh i see. but you still couldn't keep off irc? i know the feeling... ;-) 09:13 cait magnus: but didn't you tell me you were not good with names? 09:11 cait passport photo, apply for passport,... 09:11 cait yep, I took one day off to run some errands in the city 09:10 cait :) 09:09 magnus hiya cait - odd time of the day for this version of you? 09:09 cait hi chris and magnus 08:37 magnus hiya 08:21 chris hi 07:36 cait hi Ropuch 07:32 Ropuch Morning #koha 05:24 cait hi #koha 04:18 robin http://paste.nothing.net.nz/f86e5f 04:18 robin Any zebra experts around? I'm getting a segmentation fault, wondering if anyone has any ideas where to look.