Time  Nick       Message
23:45 chris      back
23:05 robin      yeah. I think I have to agree with that.
23:04 brendan    I'd go for the 10 !!!  not the 42
22:53 munin      robin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
22:53 robin      @wunder wellington, nz
22:53 munin      robin: Error: "winder" is not a valid command.
22:53 robin      @winder wellington, nz
22:53 robin      I'm not sure if I would prefer that, or this:
22:52 brendan    42 now that's hot!
22:52 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Daggett-Barstow, California is 42.0�C (3:31 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 4%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising).
22:52 brendan    @wunder baker ca
22:51 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 24.6�C (3:54 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling).
22:51 brendan    @wunder 93117
22:51 brendan    afternoon #koha
20:34 richard    hi
20:27 chris      Bbl
20:27 wizzyrea   gl
20:26 chris      Right bus stop, then off to a client
20:26 wizzyrea   if you need some reading material in the final moments of your day
20:26 wizzyrea   http://inventors.about.com/od/xyzstartinventions/a/zipcode.htm
20:26 wizzyrea   it's kind of an interesting story
20:26 collum     Ah.  Thanks wizzyrea.
20:25 wizzyrea   zip stands for "Zoning Improvement Plan"
20:25 * collum   is now wondering where 'zip' came from.
20:25 wizzyrea   aha
20:24 chris      Post codes here
20:24 chris      We don't got them
20:24 wizzyrea   alphabetise
20:24 chris      Zip code
20:24 chris      There's a few
20:24 wizzyrea   check out vs. issue
20:24 chris      Check in vs return
20:23 chris      Yes
20:23 wizzyrea   ;)
20:23 wizzyrea   holds vs. reserves, for example? Catalogue vs. catalog?
20:23 wizzyrea   but I do see your point
20:22 * wizzyrea would rather not do a whole translation for a teeny lil change like that
20:22 chris      That's how I fix all your crazy words
20:22 wizzyrea   also that
20:22 chris      Translations
20:22 nengard    obvious i'm for 'gender'
20:22 chris      Or better wizzy
20:21 wizzyrea   I would vote for gender too
20:21 wizzyrea   it
20:21 wizzyrea   and it can always be changed using jquery if you don't like
20:21 jcamins_a  I would vote for gender.
20:21 collum     yep
20:21 wizzyrea   I think the question is how best to label the field
20:21 chris      Problem solved
20:21 chris      Ira tangata
20:20 jcamins_a  Yes.
20:20 jcamins_a  There are actual terms that fall under "other," but I've forgotten what the correct way to express "transgendered, presenting as feminine," etc.
20:20 collum     Isn't there an option in koha not to choose male/female?
20:20 wizzyrea   going with what you see is inaccurate at best
20:19 wizzyrea   and how would you classify that person in the binary of "male/female"
20:19 wizzyrea   because a person you are presented with, may be one sex, but presenting as a different gender
20:19 jcamins_a  collum: but gender can also include "other."
20:19 wizzyrea   you're better off going with gender
20:18 wizzyrea   mm, I think, at least in publics
20:18 * collum   throws in his 2 cents before he goes home.  sex = male/female gender = masculine/feminine.  I vote sex.
20:11 wizzyrea   k i will
20:10 jcamins_a  "gender" isn't.
20:10 nengard    i mean gender ;) hehe
20:10 nengard    owen every library i train says it should be sex
20:10 jcamins_a  "sex" is binary.
20:10 nengard    wizzyrea when you get a chance can you pull the manual from git again - i added yet another appendix :)
20:09 owen       What's the matter with "sex?"
20:09 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5020 trivial, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, on patron record sex should be gender
20:09 owen       Bug 5020
19:57 chris      Hi alan
19:55 chris      Back
19:53 owen       My library doesn't do patron photos, so I guess that's why.
19:51 jcamins_a  You don't check books out to patrons with similar names all the time?
19:50 owen       Huh... patron photos in patron search results. Why didn't I think of that?
19:50 jcamins_a  Although I guess I should file bugs for the missing MARC21 subfields I've come across.
19:49 DRUlm      Alright!
19:49 wizzyrea   sweeet
19:49 jcamins_a  Well, it's not really news, but if anyone was wondering, I can confirm that Koha is a great option for cataloging private antiquarian book collections.
19:48 DRUlm      no news is good news, eh? :)
19:48 wizzyrea   and your path to your koha-conf.xml
19:47 wizzyrea   where /path/to/koha is the path to your koha install
19:47 wizzyrea   and export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml
19:47 wizzyrea   you do that with export PERL5LIB=/path/to/koha
19:47 wizzyrea   for your koha user
19:47 wizzyrea   you need to define your environment variables
19:46 wizzyrea   CGI415: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#18
19:45 * chris    goes to catch his bus back soon
19:44 CGI415     it says cant locate c4 /context
19:44 DRUlm      Debian?
19:44 CGI415     i try to rebuilt zebra
19:44 DRUlm      Shoe Horn
19:43 CGI415     c4/context isnt installù
19:43 DRUlm      What is the news?
19:43 gmcharlt   wizzyrea: 0470034548
19:43 DRUlm      Hello all.
19:42 chris      im sure there is
19:42 wizzyrea   because that's what I need.
19:42 wizzyrea   is there a "cricket for dummies"
19:42 chris      football then :)
19:42 chris      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHEDY3lrAY
19:42 jcamins_a  My parents' philosophy was always "if the kids are running around playing, they're doing *something* right."
19:41 wizzyrea   ^^
19:41 owen       The great thing about a bunch of koha kids running around playing cricket is that I would have no idea whether they were doing it right
19:41 wizzyrea   hehehe
19:41 cfouts     despite my ancestry, I appear to be incapable of understanding cricket, however.
19:41 cfouts     chris: thanks so much! it's mind-blowing and wonderful.
19:40 wizzyrea   ^^ that would be so silly fun
19:40 jcamins_a  briceSanc: I think this may have come up on the mailing list... did you check the archives? I'm out of ideas. :(
19:40 chris      cfouts: i dont think ive said congratulations on the kiddo yet, so here it is :-) in a few years we'll have enough kids for #koha cricket team :-)
19:40 wizzyrea   doh I was just typing that!
19:40 jcamins_a  CGI415: you need to make sure PERL5LIB is set correctly.
19:39 briceSanc  it doesn't works
19:38 CGI415     how to install the c4/context
19:29 jcamins_a  Hm.
19:29 briceSanc  i check the config file
19:28 briceSanc  and yes for OPAC
19:28 briceSanc  yes for clean, fresh install
19:27 briceSanc  yes
19:27 jwagner    briceSanc, it sounds like something might be screwed up in one of the indexing config files.  This is a clean, fresh install?
19:27 jcamins_a  And when you try a search in the OPAC, nothing shows up?
19:27 briceSanc  erf... always the same problem with zebraidx(13760) [warn] Index 'any' not found in attset(s)
19:24 jcamins_a  I don't actually have access to any Koha installations, though, so I can't really advise beyond that.
19:24 jcamins_a  CGI415: you need to provide the complete path to rebuild_zebra.pl.
19:23 CGI415     is unknown command
19:23 CGI415     rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r
19:23 CGI415     when i try
19:22 briceSanc  i  will try it now
19:22 jcamins_a  Maybe try creating a record, reindexing, and searching for it?
19:22 briceSanc  i just import authorities
19:21 briceSanc  there's nothing in zebra
19:21 jcamins_a  I think we always got that warning, too, and our searches worked fine.
19:21 briceSanc  it's a fresh install of Koha 3.02
19:21 jcamins_a  briceSanc: are there any problems with searches?
19:20 briceSanc  yes KOHA_CONF is set
19:20 CGI415     2.4 procesor
19:20 CGI415     40 gb hdd
19:19 CGI415     horizontal orientation
19:19 CGI415     i s old
19:19 CGI415     dell  i dont know exactly
19:19 jcamins_a  briceSanc: check that your KOHA_CONF variable is set.
19:18 zico       ok... Altu shona...which Dell? :D
19:17 zico       which Dell?
19:17 zico       there are some problem with some Dell computers
19:17 zico       I mean... brand name
19:17 CGI415     intel pentium 4
19:16 zico       CGI415: Dell which version?
19:16 briceSanc  how fix it ?
19:16 CGI415     computer
19:16 briceSanc  i have this error when i want to rebuild zebra : zebraidx(13760) [warn] Index 'any' not found in attset(s)
19:16 CGI415     dell
19:15 zico       CGI415: can you please specify your hardware?
19:15 briceSanc  hello
19:15 zico       which version?
19:15 CGI415     10.04
19:15 CGI415     ubuntu
19:15 zico       but.. .what is your machine? I mean..which OS?
19:14 zico       that`s for sure
19:14 CGI415     koha
19:14 zico       CGI415: what server are you using?
19:14 CGI415     *processes
19:14 CGI415     and i was on root user not on koha user when i run the zebra procesis
19:11 CGI415     tutorial a have choose the second option to install zebra deamon
19:11 CGI415     on ubuntu.install
19:10 CGI415     i saw this tutorial but nothing happen
19:09 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
19:09 CGI415     *when
19:08 CGI415     whrn i search
19:08 CGI415     i add a new record but it doesnt show in my catalog
19:08 CGI415     a have a problem with koha 3.00.06
19:07 CGI415     hi
19:00 zico       :)
19:00 sekjal     zico: here's hoping it all goes smoothly for you
18:59 zico       Thanks in advance sekjal
18:59 zico       ok... :) lemme check
18:58 sekjal     zico: from the command line, you can send yourself an email with mail -s "Test" your@email.tld.  Type a message, Ctl-D to continue
18:55 cait       morning chris
18:55 chris      morning
18:54 zico       sekjal: ok thanks. After that how can I check that if my Koha server is sending email or not?
18:53 sekjal     there is the main.cf file which you may need to adjust to match your local system and network settings, but usually the defaults are pretty good
18:53 zico       sekjal: do I need to manually configure any configuration file of postfix?
18:52 sekjal     sudo apt-get install postfix will get it for you, and then you'd just need to remove sendmail (if it's installed), and the config will make postfix your default MTA
18:51 zico       yep debian 5.0 release 0
18:51 sekjal     are you on debian?
18:51 sekjal     it's pretty straight-forward
18:51 sekjal     nothing written up, no, but I'm working on that
18:49 zico       it will be really helpful for me
18:49 zico       sekjai: do you have any documentation on setup postfix in Koha?
18:48 sekjal     zico: I'm fond of postfix
18:47 zico       what do you suggest me to use? Sendmail? or Qmail or anything other??
18:47 zico       to users
18:47 zico       I want to enable email system in my Koha-3.0.5 for overdue notice and email
18:47 zico       hello all
18:22 jwagner    Because I tested it on an old system as well as current head -- same problem both places.  So it's been around a while, but it looks like no one has spotted it.  At least I didn't find anything relevant searching bugzilla
18:20 owen       why new/old?
18:19 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
18:19 jwagner    Found a new/old bug, for your viewing pleasure :-) Bug 5051
17:47 rhcl_lurk  We don't keep SSN's specifically in our DB, but in those cases where the SSN is the driver's license number those may be in our DB.
17:46 rhcl_lurk  I understand that for "a while" drivers in Missouri were able to select to use their SSN as their drivers license number.
17:39 sekjal     if you feed the entire OPAC over SSL, it's pretty simple.  but you don't necessarily want to do that just for the casual searcher who will never log in
17:38 wizzyrea   probably tougher
17:38 jwagner    We did a patch a while back to let enhanced content work with SSL
17:38 wizzyrea   can the same be done for the OPAC logins?
17:38 wizzyrea   so it's not totally bullet proof, but better
17:38 wizzyrea   aha
17:37 cfouts     there are bugs in that some of the internal links Koha produces will send you back to the HTTP port
17:37 sekjal     owen: getting the staff client over SSL can be done pretty easily with koha-httpd.conf
17:37 wizzyrea   :) thanks
17:37 wizzyrea   lolol
17:37 cfouts     it's been there all along
17:37 wizzyrea   lol or has it been there all along
17:37 wizzyrea   did you really just set that up cfouts?
17:36 cfouts     wizzyrea: https://nekls-staff.kohalibrary.com/
17:36 wizzyrea   but it's not documented anywhere
17:36 owen       sekjal: Can you elaborate on your reservations?
17:35 jwagner    wizzyrea, we've implemented that for clients too.  It can be done.
17:35 sekjal     but it's not as elegant an implementation as I'd like
17:35 sekjal     wizzyrea: we have SSL on a couple of our client's systems
17:35 wizzyrea   because well, that needs to be done
17:34 wizzyrea   ok, dumb question of the day, because I don't know: can you use SSL with koha? and would it be hard to implement if it doesn't?
17:34 nengard    and before that "use encryption to protect SSNs within patron databases,"
17:34 wizzyrea   ooh thanks for that link collum
17:33 collum     in short "Libraries should ... investigate other methods of uniquely identifying patrons and tracing those who have outstanding fines or overdue materials."
17:33 collum     There's a small blurb from the ALA on this page.  http://bit.ly/dwmwpA
17:33 nengard    I would think it would put us at risk if our customers were entering SSNs
17:32 nengard    couldn't they all sue the hosting provider??
17:31 wizzyrea   heh yea
17:31 jwagner    Haven't they heard of identity theft???
17:31 wizzyrea   I did, they don't care.
17:31 jwagner    Tell them it's a legal issue -- patrons are liable to sue the pants off them if there's ever a data breach.  And with Koha using plaintext transmission, you can't guarantee security no matter where it's hosted.
17:30 wizzyrea   lol no, that was my response to my people here
17:30 jwagner    or them?
17:30 jwagner    me?
17:29 wizzyrea   YOU'RE DOING WHAT??!!!?!?!
17:29 wizzyrea   I'm on your side :P
17:29 wizzyrea   don't talk to me
17:29 * jwagner  pulls wizzyrea aside for a talk :-)\
17:29 wizzyrea   (i"m against keeping that data, fwiw)
17:29 wizzyrea   yea, a hosting company should have a talk with any clients that do that
17:28 wizzyrea   (our libraries use it to get lost items paid for)
17:28 jwagner    I think any company that hosts client data would have a concern with that....
17:28 wizzyrea   heh, they tell me that if the person gives it willingly it's not illegal to keep it
17:28 nengard    which probably kept you out of jail :) hehe
17:27 jwagner    wizzyrea, I had a major problem with a site I'm implementing now because the ONLY available data from the registrar was SSN and I flatly refused to load it.
17:27 nengard    even health insurance companies can't use our SSN anymore
17:27 wizzyrea   I sure hope so
17:27 nengard    isn't that illegal???
17:27 wizzyrea   kill me now.
17:27 wizzyrea   we have libraries putting the SSN in our databases. O M G.
17:26 wizzyrea   well i think we're going to have to look into ssl anyway, for the staff client
17:24 wizzyrea   yea, which is easier.
17:24 owen       Or train your patrons to close the browser when they log out
17:24 wizzyrea   you're right, that probably is the only solution
17:24 wizzyrea   my people want to make it as secure as a bank site.
17:24 owen       But I think the only solution is to use SSL
17:23 owen       Yes, and gotten complaints about it
17:23 wizzyrea   so say you're logged in, and you click log out
17:23 wizzyrea   info*
17:23 wizzyrea   has anybody noted the fact that logged out patrons, if you hit the back button, it still shows your account inof
17:23 jwagner    Drat, chris_n isn't online....
16:51 dritan     thanks
16:50 owen       dritan: That link is for you :)
16:48 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
16:48 dritan     yes im using
16:47 dritan     my koha version is 3.00.06
16:47 owen       dritan: What version of Koha, and are you using Zebra?
16:47 dritan     opac and admin
16:47 dritan     when i add new record. i desnt show in my library
16:45 jwagner    It's a very crafty bug -- they're learning to hide in the dark corners, you know....
16:45 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Error in bottom menu/submenu for select language in intranet
16:45 owen       The worst part of bug 5048 is that I should have caught it and fixed it before 3.0.
16:38 owen       Ask away dritan
16:34 dritan     i have some questions
16:33 dritan     is anybody here
16:33 dritan     hello
16:28 jwagner    Took me a while to figure out why testing the links kept going back to the old server :-(
16:28 jwagner    Instead of hardcoding the full server URL for a predefined search, they just needed to start with /cgi/koha whatever
16:28 * owen     has been bitten by that bug
16:27 jwagner    Something someone did as a customization, that doesn't work when you transfer to a different server, sigh.
16:25 owen       ?
16:22 * jwagner  grumbles at hardcoded URLs in OPAC text blocks instead of relative links
16:06 nengard    wait - i know that name :) hi cfouts!!
16:04 wizzyrea   too true :)
16:04 cfouts     hi, wizzyrea. long time, no irc.
15:56 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Error in bottom menu/submenu for select language in intranet
15:56 * owen     grumbles at the TMPL tangle of Bug 5048
15:54 wizzyrea   :D
15:54 wizzyrea   cfouts! hey!
15:54 cfouts     howdy, owen
15:50 owen       Hi cfouts
15:24 druthb     hi, cait! :D
15:24 cait       hi druthb :)
15:24 cait       hi jwagner
15:23 jwagner    Hi cait
15:23 cait       hi all
15:10 wizzyrea   anyway, thanks owen
15:10 wizzyrea   an opac
15:10 wizzyrea   I have a opac re-design percolating (the header/sidebar stuff)
15:09 owen       Right on
15:08 wizzyrea   ^.^
15:08 wizzyrea   http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org
15:01 * wizzyrea is having a third monday in a row
15:01 wizzyrea   der, lol, I'll look at the original
15:01 owen       The one in my example, or the original?
15:01 wizzyrea   and height, for that matter
15:01 wizzyrea   just curious, what's the width of the graphic you're using?
14:58 owen       ...and surprised no one had ever asked before now
14:57 owen       I was surprised at how nice it looked :)
14:55 * wizzyrea goes to change the NExpress one
14:55 wizzyrea   and I bet your koha login has an Athens county logo on it now ;)
14:54 wizzyrea   owen++ you are so helpful. I appreciate you every day
14:54 owen       Mailing list post -> FAQ -> Long-winded blog post: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=612
13:35 gmcharlt   pardon me, my mistake - I thought hdl had pushed it there
13:34 owen       Why a regression? It's not in 3.0.x
13:33 magnus     um, regression?
13:26 gmcharlt   yes - I think otherwise it would be a regression from 3.0
13:26 magnus     thanks, gmcharlt. more a question for paul_p then, perhaps... but would you push it even it was complete? it does introduce some new strings
13:23 nengard    ttyl
13:23 nengard    if that patch isn't pushed we should remove the system preference that goes along with it - it's confusing
13:22 gmcharlt   magnus: the patch exists, but needs additional work
13:22 nengard    oops - gotta run - webinar in 30 - got to log in :)
13:19 magnus     perhaps gmcharlt could shed some light on this?
13:19 magnus     there is a link to it from the bug
13:18 magnus     i think it's this one: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-December/004973.html
13:18 nengard    but i think someone said they couldn't actually find the patch..
13:18 nengard    me too magnus
13:11 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3881 blocker, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy
13:11 * magnus   wonders if the patch from paul_p for bug 3881 will make it into 3.2
13:09 nengard    Docbook allows me to credit each section with a different author - which I have done - but it doesn't show on the HTML - something we haven't been able to figure out yet ... so I like to show the git commits so you see the XML that does indeed credit the person who wrote the section
13:09 magnus     sure!
13:08 nengard    owen++ :)
13:08 magnus     nengard++
13:07 nengard    added owen's faq about customizing the staff client logo to the manual: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commitdiff;h=936d9da9479beab257485af43067439838f510a0
12:57 nengard    they change strings - so i figured they'd be pushed to 3.4
12:57 nengard    K I did :)
12:57 gmcharlt   nengard: submit patches against head
12:49 irma       U cheered me up! Have a good day. G'night.
12:44 jwagner    Nah, my computer is my only friend, sometimes....
12:43 irma       a long bike ride at sunrise will cheer me up and get me Koha ready for the day!
12:41 irma       It's the sitting and being attached to my computers that gets to me too ...
12:23 jwagner    irma, I know the feeling :-(  And it's not even Monday. It just _feels_ like it....
12:22 irma       to do it well and test it over and over grrr
12:21 irma       hi jwagner ... I am feeling down :-( everything takes sooo long
12:18 jwagner    Hi irma
12:13 irma       Hi all
11:40 nengard    is there a public branch for 3.4 yet? or are we just submitting patches against HEAD and they'll be ignored until 3.4?
10:26 Ropuch     Searching catalog without results might be related to zebra server
10:25 Ropuch     Or just searching catalog?
10:25 Ropuch     You mean z3950 search while cataloging?
10:06 dritan     does everyone know why dont work the search cataloging in koha 3.00.06
10:05 dritan     hello+
09:50 cait       ok, time to catch my bus - bye all
09:23 magnus     ;-)
09:15 * cait     feels at home in #koha :)
09:14 magnus     cait: well, they sink in, eventually
09:14 magnus     Cait: ahh i see. but you still couldn't keep off irc? i know the feeling... ;-)
09:13 cait       magnus: but didn't you tell me you were not good with names?
09:11 cait       passport photo, apply for passport,...
09:11 cait       yep, I took one day off to run some errands in the city
09:10 cait       :)
09:09 magnus     hiya cait - odd time of the day for this version of you?
09:09 cait       hi chris and magnus
08:37 magnus     hiya
08:21 chris      hi
07:36 cait       hi Ropuch
07:32 Ropuch     Morning #koha
05:24 cait       hi #koha
04:18 robin      http://paste.nothing.net.nz/f86e5f
04:18 robin      Any zebra experts around? I'm getting a segmentation fault, wondering if anyone has any ideas where to look.