Time  Nick       Message
04:18 robin      Any zebra experts around? I'm getting a segmentation fault, wondering if anyone has any ideas where to look.
04:18 robin      http://paste.nothing.net.nz/f86e5f
05:24 cait       hi #koha
07:32 Ropuch     Morning #koha
07:36 cait       hi Ropuch
08:21 chris      hi
08:37 magnus     hiya
09:09 cait       hi chris and magnus
09:09 magnus     hiya cait - odd time of the day for this version of you?
09:10 cait       :)
09:11 cait       yep, I took one day off to run some errands in the city
09:11 cait       passport photo, apply for passport,...
09:13 cait       magnus: but didn't you tell me you were not good with names?
09:14 magnus     Cait: ahh i see. but you still couldn't keep off irc? i know the feeling... ;-)
09:14 magnus     cait: well, they sink in, eventually
09:15 * cait     feels at home in #koha :)
09:23 magnus     ;-)
09:50 cait       ok, time to catch my bus - bye all
10:05 dritan     hello+
10:06 dritan     does everyone know why dont work the search cataloging in koha 3.00.06
10:25 Ropuch     You mean z3950 search while cataloging?
10:25 Ropuch     Or just searching catalog?
10:26 Ropuch     Searching catalog without results might be related to zebra server
11:40 nengard    is there a public branch for 3.4 yet? or are we just submitting patches against HEAD and they'll be ignored until 3.4?
12:13 irma       Hi all
12:18 jwagner    Hi irma
12:21 irma       hi jwagner ... I am feeling down :-( everything takes sooo long
12:22 irma       to do it well and test it over and over grrr
12:23 jwagner    irma, I know the feeling :-(  And it's not even Monday. It just _feels_ like it....
12:41 irma       It's the sitting and being attached to my computers that gets to me too ...
12:43 irma       a long bike ride at sunrise will cheer me up and get me Koha ready for the day!
12:44 jwagner    Nah, my computer is my only friend, sometimes....
12:49 irma       U cheered me up! Have a good day. G'night.
12:57 gmcharlt   nengard: submit patches against head
12:57 nengard    K I did :)
12:57 nengard    they change strings - so i figured they'd be pushed to 3.4
13:07 nengard    added owen's faq about customizing the staff client logo to the manual: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commitdiff;h=936d9da9479beab257485af43067439838f510a0
13:08 magnus     nengard++
13:08 nengard    owen++ :)
13:09 magnus     sure!
13:09 nengard    Docbook allows me to credit each section with a different author - which I have done - but it doesn't show on the HTML - something we haven't been able to figure out yet ... so I like to show the git commits so you see the XML that does indeed credit the person who wrote the section
13:11 * magnus   wonders if the patch from paul_p for bug 3881 will make it into 3.2
13:11 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3881 blocker, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy
13:18 nengard    me too magnus
13:18 nengard    but i think someone said they couldn't actually find the patch..
13:18 magnus     i think it's this one: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-December/004973.html
13:19 magnus     there is a link to it from the bug
13:19 magnus     perhaps gmcharlt could shed some light on this?
13:22 nengard    oops - gotta run - webinar in 30 - got to log in :)
13:22 gmcharlt   magnus: the patch exists, but needs additional work
13:23 nengard    if that patch isn't pushed we should remove the system preference that goes along with it - it's confusing
13:23 nengard    ttyl
13:26 magnus     thanks, gmcharlt. more a question for paul_p then, perhaps... but would you push it even it was complete? it does introduce some new strings
13:26 gmcharlt   yes - I think otherwise it would be a regression from 3.0
13:33 magnus     um, regression?
13:34 owen       Why a regression? It's not in 3.0.x
13:35 gmcharlt   pardon me, my mistake - I thought hdl had pushed it there
14:54 owen       Mailing list post -> FAQ -> Long-winded blog post: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=612
14:54 wizzyrea   owen++ you are so helpful. I appreciate you every day
14:55 wizzyrea   and I bet your koha login has an Athens county logo on it now ;)
14:55 * wizzyrea goes to change the NExpress one
14:57 owen       I was surprised at how nice it looked :)
14:58 owen       ...and surprised no one had ever asked before now
15:01 wizzyrea   just curious, what's the width of the graphic you're using?
15:01 wizzyrea   and height, for that matter
15:01 owen       The one in my example, or the original?
15:01 wizzyrea   der, lol, I'll look at the original
15:01 * wizzyrea is having a third monday in a row
15:08 wizzyrea   http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org
15:08 wizzyrea   ^.^
15:09 owen       Right on
15:10 wizzyrea   I have a opac re-design percolating (the header/sidebar stuff)
15:10 wizzyrea   an opac
15:10 wizzyrea   anyway, thanks owen
15:23 cait       hi all
15:23 jwagner    Hi cait
15:24 cait       hi jwagner
15:24 cait       hi druthb :)
15:24 druthb     hi, cait! :D
15:50 owen       Hi cfouts
15:54 cfouts     howdy, owen
15:54 wizzyrea   cfouts! hey!
15:54 wizzyrea   :D
15:56 * owen     grumbles at the TMPL tangle of Bug 5048
15:56 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Error in bottom menu/submenu for select language in intranet
16:04 cfouts     hi, wizzyrea. long time, no irc.
16:04 wizzyrea   too true :)
16:06 nengard    wait - i know that name :) hi cfouts!!
16:22 * jwagner  grumbles at hardcoded URLs in OPAC text blocks instead of relative links
16:25 owen       ?
16:27 jwagner    Something someone did as a customization, that doesn't work when you transfer to a different server, sigh.
16:28 * owen     has been bitten by that bug
16:28 jwagner    Instead of hardcoding the full server URL for a predefined search, they just needed to start with /cgi/koha whatever
16:28 jwagner    Took me a while to figure out why testing the links kept going back to the old server :-(
16:33 dritan     hello
16:33 dritan     is anybody here
16:34 dritan     i have some questions
16:38 owen       Ask away dritan
16:45 owen       The worst part of bug 5048 is that I should have caught it and fixed it before 3.0.
16:45 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Error in bottom menu/submenu for select language in intranet
16:45 jwagner    It's a very crafty bug -- they're learning to hide in the dark corners, you know....
16:47 dritan     when i add new record. i desnt show in my library
16:47 dritan     opac and admin
16:47 owen       dritan: What version of Koha, and are you using Zebra?
16:47 dritan     my koha version is 3.00.06
16:48 dritan     yes im using
16:48 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
16:50 owen       dritan: That link is for you :)
16:51 dritan     thanks
17:23 jwagner    Drat, chris_n isn't online....
17:23 wizzyrea   has anybody noted the fact that logged out patrons, if you hit the back button, it still shows your account inof
17:23 wizzyrea   info*
17:23 wizzyrea   so say you're logged in, and you click log out
17:23 owen       Yes, and gotten complaints about it
17:24 owen       But I think the only solution is to use SSL
17:24 wizzyrea   my people want to make it as secure as a bank site.
17:24 wizzyrea   you're right, that probably is the only solution
17:24 owen       Or train your patrons to close the browser when they log out
17:24 wizzyrea   yea, which is easier.
17:26 wizzyrea   well i think we're going to have to look into ssl anyway, for the staff client
17:27 wizzyrea   we have libraries putting the SSN in our databases. O M G.
17:27 wizzyrea   kill me now.
17:27 nengard    isn't that illegal???
17:27 wizzyrea   I sure hope so
17:27 nengard    even health insurance companies can't use our SSN anymore
17:27 jwagner    wizzyrea, I had a major problem with a site I'm implementing now because the ONLY available data from the registrar was SSN and I flatly refused to load it.
17:28 nengard    which probably kept you out of jail :) hehe
17:28 wizzyrea   heh, they tell me that if the person gives it willingly it's not illegal to keep it
17:28 jwagner    I think any company that hosts client data would have a concern with that....
17:28 wizzyrea   (our libraries use it to get lost items paid for)
17:29 wizzyrea   yea, a hosting company should have a talk with any clients that do that
17:29 wizzyrea   (i"m against keeping that data, fwiw)
17:29 * jwagner  pulls wizzyrea aside for a talk :-)\
17:29 wizzyrea   don't talk to me
17:29 wizzyrea   I'm on your side :P
17:29 wizzyrea   YOU'RE DOING WHAT??!!!?!?!
17:30 jwagner    me?
17:30 jwagner    or them?
17:30 wizzyrea   lol no, that was my response to my people here
17:31 jwagner    Tell them it's a legal issue -- patrons are liable to sue the pants off them if there's ever a data breach.  And with Koha using plaintext transmission, you can't guarantee security no matter where it's hosted.
17:31 wizzyrea   I did, they don't care.
17:31 jwagner    Haven't they heard of identity theft???
17:31 wizzyrea   heh yea
17:32 nengard    couldn't they all sue the hosting provider??
17:33 nengard    I would think it would put us at risk if our customers were entering SSNs
17:33 collum     There's a small blurb from the ALA on this page.  http://bit.ly/dwmwpA
17:33 collum     in short "Libraries should ... investigate other methods of uniquely identifying patrons and tracing those who have outstanding fines or overdue materials."
17:34 wizzyrea   ooh thanks for that link collum
17:34 nengard    and before that "use encryption to protect SSNs within patron databases,"
17:34 wizzyrea   ok, dumb question of the day, because I don't know: can you use SSL with koha? and would it be hard to implement if it doesn't?
17:35 wizzyrea   because well, that needs to be done
17:35 sekjal     wizzyrea: we have SSL on a couple of our client's systems
17:35 sekjal     but it's not as elegant an implementation as I'd like
17:35 jwagner    wizzyrea, we've implemented that for clients too.  It can be done.
17:36 owen       sekjal: Can you elaborate on your reservations?
17:36 wizzyrea   but it's not documented anywhere
17:36 cfouts     wizzyrea: https://nekls-staff.kohalibrary.com/
17:37 wizzyrea   did you really just set that up cfouts?
17:37 wizzyrea   lol or has it been there all along
17:37 cfouts     it's been there all along
17:37 wizzyrea   lolol
17:37 wizzyrea   :) thanks
17:37 sekjal     owen: getting the staff client over SSL can be done pretty easily with koha-httpd.conf
17:37 cfouts     there are bugs in that some of the internal links Koha produces will send you back to the HTTP port
17:38 wizzyrea   aha
17:38 wizzyrea   so it's not totally bullet proof, but better
17:38 wizzyrea   can the same be done for the OPAC logins?
17:38 jwagner    We did a patch a while back to let enhanced content work with SSL
17:38 wizzyrea   probably tougher
17:39 sekjal     if you feed the entire OPAC over SSL, it's pretty simple.  but you don't necessarily want to do that just for the casual searcher who will never log in
17:46 rhcl_lurk  I understand that for "a while" drivers in Missouri were able to select to use their SSN as their drivers license number.
17:47 rhcl_lurk  We don't keep SSN's specifically in our DB, but in those cases where the SSN is the driver's license number those may be in our DB.
18:19 jwagner    Found a new/old bug, for your viewing pleasure :-) Bug 5051
18:19 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
18:20 owen       why new/old?
18:22 jwagner    Because I tested it on an old system as well as current head -- same problem both places.  So it's been around a while, but it looks like no one has spotted it.  At least I didn't find anything relevant searching bugzilla
18:47 zico       hello all
18:47 zico       I want to enable email system in my Koha-3.0.5 for overdue notice and email
18:47 zico       to users
18:47 zico       what do you suggest me to use? Sendmail? or Qmail or anything other??
18:48 sekjal     zico: I'm fond of postfix
18:49 zico       sekjai: do you have any documentation on setup postfix in Koha?
18:49 zico       it will be really helpful for me
18:51 sekjal     nothing written up, no, but I'm working on that
18:51 sekjal     it's pretty straight-forward
18:51 sekjal     are you on debian?
18:51 zico       yep debian 5.0 release 0
18:52 sekjal     sudo apt-get install postfix will get it for you, and then you'd just need to remove sendmail (if it's installed), and the config will make postfix your default MTA
18:53 zico       sekjal: do I need to manually configure any configuration file of postfix?
18:53 sekjal     there is the main.cf file which you may need to adjust to match your local system and network settings, but usually the defaults are pretty good
18:54 zico       sekjal: ok thanks. After that how can I check that if my Koha server is sending email or not?
18:55 chris      morning
18:55 cait       morning chris
18:58 sekjal     zico: from the command line, you can send yourself an email with mail -s "Test" your@email.tld.  Type a message, Ctl-D to continue
18:59 zico       ok... :) lemme check
18:59 zico       Thanks in advance sekjal
19:00 sekjal     zico: here's hoping it all goes smoothly for you
19:00 zico       :)
19:07 CGI415     hi
19:08 CGI415     a have a problem with koha 3.00.06
19:08 CGI415     i add a new record but it doesnt show in my catalog
19:08 CGI415     whrn i search
19:09 CGI415     *when
19:09 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
19:10 CGI415     i saw this tutorial but nothing happen
19:11 CGI415     on ubuntu.install
19:11 CGI415     tutorial a have choose the second option to install zebra deamon
19:14 CGI415     and i was on root user not on koha user when i run the zebra procesis
19:14 CGI415     *processes
19:14 zico       CGI415: what server are you using?
19:14 CGI415     koha
19:14 zico       that`s for sure
19:15 zico       but.. .what is your machine? I mean..which OS?
19:15 CGI415     ubuntu
19:15 CGI415     10.04
19:15 zico       which version?
19:15 briceSanc  hello
19:15 zico       CGI415: can you please specify your hardware?
19:16 CGI415     dell
19:16 briceSanc  i have this error when i want to rebuild zebra : zebraidx(13760) [warn] Index 'any' not found in attset(s)
19:16 CGI415     computer
19:16 briceSanc  how fix it ?
19:16 zico       CGI415: Dell which version?
19:17 CGI415     intel pentium 4
19:17 zico       I mean... brand name
19:17 zico       there are some problem with some Dell computers
19:17 zico       which Dell?
19:18 zico       ok... Altu shona...which Dell? :D
19:19 jcamins_a  briceSanc: check that your KOHA_CONF variable is set.
19:19 CGI415     dell  i dont know exactly
19:19 CGI415     i s old
19:19 CGI415     horizontal orientation
19:20 CGI415     40 gb hdd
19:20 CGI415     2.4 procesor
19:20 briceSanc  yes KOHA_CONF is set
19:21 jcamins_a  briceSanc: are there any problems with searches?
19:21 briceSanc  it's a fresh install of Koha 3.02
19:21 jcamins_a  I think we always got that warning, too, and our searches worked fine.
19:21 briceSanc  there's nothing in zebra
19:22 briceSanc  i just import authorities
19:22 jcamins_a  Maybe try creating a record, reindexing, and searching for it?
19:22 briceSanc  i  will try it now
19:23 CGI415     when i try
19:23 CGI415     rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r
19:23 CGI415     is unknown command
19:24 jcamins_a  CGI415: you need to provide the complete path to rebuild_zebra.pl.
19:24 jcamins_a  I don't actually have access to any Koha installations, though, so I can't really advise beyond that.
19:27 briceSanc  erf... always the same problem with zebraidx(13760) [warn] Index 'any' not found in attset(s)
19:27 jcamins_a  And when you try a search in the OPAC, nothing shows up?
19:27 jwagner    briceSanc, it sounds like something might be screwed up in one of the indexing config files.  This is a clean, fresh install?
19:27 briceSanc  yes
19:28 briceSanc  yes for clean, fresh install
19:28 briceSanc  and yes for OPAC
19:29 briceSanc  i check the config file
19:29 jcamins_a  Hm.
19:38 CGI415     how to install the c4/context
19:39 briceSanc  it doesn't works
19:40 jcamins_a  CGI415: you need to make sure PERL5LIB is set correctly.
19:40 wizzyrea   doh I was just typing that!
19:40 chris      cfouts: i dont think ive said congratulations on the kiddo yet, so here it is :-) in a few years we'll have enough kids for #koha cricket team :-)
19:40 jcamins_a  briceSanc: I think this may have come up on the mailing list... did you check the archives? I'm out of ideas. :(
19:40 wizzyrea   ^^ that would be so silly fun
19:41 cfouts     chris: thanks so much! it's mind-blowing and wonderful.
19:41 cfouts     despite my ancestry, I appear to be incapable of understanding cricket, however.
19:41 wizzyrea   hehehe
19:41 owen       The great thing about a bunch of koha kids running around playing cricket is that I would have no idea whether they were doing it right
19:41 wizzyrea   ^^
19:42 jcamins_a  My parents' philosophy was always "if the kids are running around playing, they're doing *something* right."
19:42 chris      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHEDY3lrAY
19:42 chris      football then :)
19:42 wizzyrea   is there a "cricket for dummies"
19:42 wizzyrea   because that's what I need.
19:42 chris      im sure there is
19:43 DRUlm      Hello all.
19:43 gmcharlt   wizzyrea: 0470034548
19:43 DRUlm      What is the news?
19:43 CGI415     c4/context isnt installù
19:44 DRUlm      Shoe Horn
19:44 CGI415     i try to rebuilt zebra
19:44 DRUlm      Debian?
19:44 CGI415     it says cant locate c4 /context
19:45 * chris    goes to catch his bus back soon
19:46 wizzyrea   CGI415: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#18
19:47 wizzyrea   you need to define your environment variables
19:47 wizzyrea   for your koha user
19:47 wizzyrea   you do that with export PERL5LIB=/path/to/koha
19:47 wizzyrea   and export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml
19:47 wizzyrea   where /path/to/koha is the path to your koha install
19:48 wizzyrea   and your path to your koha-conf.xml
19:48 DRUlm      no news is good news, eh? :)
19:49 jcamins_a  Well, it's not really news, but if anyone was wondering, I can confirm that Koha is a great option for cataloging private antiquarian book collections.
19:49 wizzyrea   sweeet
19:49 DRUlm      Alright!
19:50 jcamins_a  Although I guess I should file bugs for the missing MARC21 subfields I've come across.
19:50 owen       Huh... patron photos in patron search results. Why didn't I think of that?
19:51 jcamins_a  You don't check books out to patrons with similar names all the time?
19:53 owen       My library doesn't do patron photos, so I guess that's why.
19:55 chris      Back
19:57 chris      Hi alan
20:09 owen       Bug 5020
20:09 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5020 trivial, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, on patron record sex should be gender
20:09 owen       What's the matter with "sex?"
20:10 nengard    wizzyrea when you get a chance can you pull the manual from git again - i added yet another appendix :)
20:10 jcamins_a  "sex" is binary.
20:10 nengard    owen every library i train says it should be sex
20:10 nengard    i mean gender ;) hehe
20:10 jcamins_a  "gender" isn't.
20:11 wizzyrea   k i will
20:18 * collum   throws in his 2 cents before he goes home.  sex = male/female gender = masculine/feminine.  I vote sex.
20:18 wizzyrea   mm, I think, at least in publics
20:19 wizzyrea   you're better off going with gender
20:19 jcamins_a  collum: but gender can also include "other."
20:19 wizzyrea   because a person you are presented with, may be one sex, but presenting as a different gender
20:19 wizzyrea   and how would you classify that person in the binary of "male/female"
20:20 wizzyrea   going with what you see is inaccurate at best
20:20 collum     Isn't there an option in koha not to choose male/female?
20:20 jcamins_a  There are actual terms that fall under "other," but I've forgotten what the correct way to express "transgendered, presenting as feminine," etc.
20:20 jcamins_a  Yes.
20:21 chris      Ira tangata
20:21 chris      Problem solved
20:21 wizzyrea   I think the question is how best to label the field
20:21 collum     yep
20:21 jcamins_a  I would vote for gender.
20:21 wizzyrea   and it can always be changed using jquery if you don't like
20:21 wizzyrea   it
20:21 wizzyrea   I would vote for gender too
20:22 chris      Or better wizzy
20:22 nengard    obvious i'm for 'gender'
20:22 chris      Translations
20:22 wizzyrea   also that
20:22 chris      That's how I fix all your crazy words
20:22 * wizzyrea would rather not do a whole translation for a teeny lil change like that
20:23 wizzyrea   but I do see your point
20:23 wizzyrea   holds vs. reserves, for example? Catalogue vs. catalog?
20:23 wizzyrea   ;)
20:23 chris      Yes
20:24 chris      Check in vs return
20:24 wizzyrea   check out vs. issue
20:24 chris      There's a few
20:24 chris      Zip code
20:24 wizzyrea   alphabetise
20:24 chris      We don't got them
20:24 chris      Post codes here
20:25 wizzyrea   aha
20:25 * collum   is now wondering where 'zip' came from.
20:25 wizzyrea   zip stands for "Zoning Improvement Plan"
20:26 collum     Ah.  Thanks wizzyrea.
20:26 wizzyrea   it's kind of an interesting story
20:26 wizzyrea   http://inventors.about.com/od/xyzstartinventions/a/zipcode.htm
20:26 wizzyrea   if you need some reading material in the final moments of your day
20:26 chris      Right bus stop, then off to a client
20:27 wizzyrea   gl
20:27 chris      Bbl
20:34 richard    hi
22:51 brendan    afternoon #koha
22:51 brendan    @wunder 93117
22:51 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 24.6�C (3:54 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling).
22:52 brendan    @wunder baker ca
22:52 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Daggett-Barstow, California is 42.0�C (3:31 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 4%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising).
22:52 brendan    42 now that's hot!
22:53 robin      I'm not sure if I would prefer that, or this:
22:53 robin      @winder wellington, nz
22:53 munin      robin: Error: "winder" is not a valid command.
22:53 robin      @wunder wellington, nz
22:53 munin      robin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
23:04 brendan    I'd go for the 10 !!!  not the 42
23:05 robin      yeah. I think I have to agree with that.
23:45 chris      back