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23:34 * druthb waves.
23:31 chris http://koha-community.org/support/
23:30 robin Preferably non-technical-oriented
23:30 robin What's the best URL for pointing people at Koha mailing lists?
23:17 chris yeah, that'd do it
23:05 druthb I was okay until the killer cockroaches. That wierded me right out.
23:05 druthb My first movie of that genre, that I recall, was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation_Alley_%28film%29 ..
23:04 wizzyrea_ hehe
23:03 chris we should ahve a kohacon nz film night :)
23:03 * robin adds to his Fatso list
23:03 druthb that looks sooooo good!
23:02 robin ohh, I haven't seen that.
23:01 chris heh
23:01 druthb The first time it showed, I was in high school. And Nightline was right after--first thing they said was "Look out your window; your neighborhood is still there."
23:01 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quiet_Earth_(film)
23:00 chris called quiet earth
23:00 chris nz made a film like that
23:00 wizzyrea_ that always kind of creeped me out
23:00 wizzyrea_ heh
23:00 * druthb watched "The Day After" recently..
23:00 chris heh
23:00 druthb "This is Lawrence KS...is anybody listening? Anybody at all..."
22:57 munin wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.1�C (5:57 PM CDT on July 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling).
22:57 wizzyrea_ @wunder lawrence, ks
22:57 druthb Supposed to rain tomorrow; we shall see.
22:57 druthb yah. warm enough to want to stay indoors a lot.
22:57 chris :)
22:57 chris you can surely spare 10 degrees for us
22:57 chris thats pretty warm
22:56 munin chris: The current temperature in Eckington Pl, NE, Washington, District of Columbia is 37.2�C (6:56 PM EDT on July 07, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 11 PM EDT this evening...
22:56 chris @wunder washington,dc
22:56 druthb 'm good, wizzyrea_! :D
22:55 wizzyrea_ yo ruth howareya
22:55 druthb hi chris.
22:55 chris heya druthb
22:55 reed ooo, forgot there was a mtg
22:48 chris well they dont make a small target :)
22:47 wizzyrea_ sorry, I'm a snark enabler
22:47 wizzyrea_ lol
22:47 * chris stops snarking and goes to write some code
22:46 wizzyrea_ instead of the code available then
22:46 chris oh i was planning on basing it on 2003
22:46 wizzyrea_ and make sure it's based on the code available today
22:45 chris then in 10983 months ill release it
22:45 chris ill add it, and HDC can test
22:45 wizzyrea_ haha
22:45 chris :)
22:45 chris i wont have to reject it when i send it to myself then
22:45 chris cool
22:44 wizzyrea_ ah, then no, I don't see any fatal flaws there
22:44 chris and set the discount to 100%
22:44 chris you make a rule in smart rules
22:44 chris then if you want to make it not apply to a borrower category
22:43 chris no you just set the charge amount in itemtypes
22:43 wizzyrea_ and this will be defined in addition or alongside reserve rules
22:43 chris so no new itemtypes for them
22:43 chris only for renewals
22:43 chris the library in question never charges for issues
22:42 chris if you have items that only incur a renewal charge
22:42 wizzyrea_ sorry took me a minute to wrap my head around it
22:42 chris yes
22:42 wizzyrea_ so you're gonna force an itype for charged renewals
22:42 chris which doubles for both
22:42 chris instead of just charge like now
22:42 chris issue charge and renewal charge
22:41 wizzyrea_ oh I see
22:41 chris 2 columsn there
22:41 chris itemtypes
22:41 wizzyrea_ ?
22:41 wizzyrea_ you don't need a place to define "pay 1 dollar for renewal" instead of "renew for free"
22:41 chris i think the discount column just applies to both
22:41 chris well i dont think that needs changing
22:41 wizzyrea_ sorry maybe that one's obvious
22:40 wizzyrea_ to define that behavior
22:40 wizzyrea_ ew and the requisite issuing rules
22:40 chris anyone see fatal flaws in my plan?
22:40 chris both 1 for $1 for an issue and again for a renewal
22:40 chris both 0 for no charges, etc
22:39 chris seems like 2 columsn would allow for whatever you wanted to set
22:39 chris 2 is enough to do it :)
22:39 chris well 2 now :)
22:39 richard chris: i'm pretty sure that rangitikei wanted something similar
22:38 chris we have issue charge, and renewal charge
22:38 chris so instead of charge
22:38 chris im suspecting i need to add a new column to itemtypes
22:38 chris yeah, this is my first one
22:37 * wizzyrea_ doesn't have any of those
22:37 chris if so, how do you handle that in koha, if we cant currently i need to add it
22:37 chris do any libraries have no charge to issue an item, but one to renew it?
22:36 chris here too
22:36 chris for anyone who is hear
22:36 chris so i have a question
22:34 richard thanks chris
22:14 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-07-07#i_467905 meeting log if you are interested
22:14 robin g'morning everyone
22:13 chris hi reed
20:41 chris back
20:31 * owen wraps it up for the day
20:31 owen Thanks chris, see you later
20:31 chris Ok my stop soon bbiab
20:29 chris Then you could assign the rest to other hash keys
20:29 chris So reserved could be set 1 if there is a reserve
20:29 owen Okay, whatever wasn't working for me this morning is working now. I thought I was missing some arcane bit of syntax knowledge
20:27 chris 'reserve date' eg
20:27 chris A hash key can be any string
20:27 slef off for dinner
20:26 chris Can't type good on the phone
20:26 chris I have fat fingers today
20:26 chris Makes sense
20:26 chris Gah
20:25 chris Id write that as $
20:25 chris Right
20:25 chris But if its a single word you don't have to
20:24 chris Normally I put ' around them
20:24 owen The script is cramming a bunch of strings together so I was looking to split them out into their own variables
20:24 owen "$res->{'reservedate'} : $resborrower->{'firstname'} $resborrower->{'surname'} ($resborrower->{'cardnumber'})";
20:24 owen I'm looking in particular at this, on line 858: $needsconfirmation{RESERVED} =
20:23 chris Its just a string
20:23 chris Nope
20:23 owen But the fact that it is in upper case doesn't signify something in itself?
20:23 chris Is that what you were asking?
20:22 chris But it is a different key to the lowercase word
20:22 chris Not sure why that was chosen as the hash key
20:20 chris In perl U != u
20:19 chris Yes
20:19 chris That's a hash
20:19 chris right
20:19 owen Is there a significance to the upper-case?
20:19 owen There are parts of Circulation.pm which look like this: $issuingimpossible{USERBLOCKEDREMAINING} = $count;
20:19 chris Yep
20:18 owen chris do you have a moment for a Perl question?
20:17 chris Yeah that wind is crazy cold
20:16 richard took the dogs for a walk this morning and just about froze my face off
20:15 richard sure is
20:15 chris Cold in island bay today eh?
20:15 chris Hi richard
20:15 richard hi
20:14 chris Sad for cait but a new country is good
20:14 davi S�
20:14 chris Bueno
20:13 davi Spain finalist :)
20:13 chris Thank you hdl
20:12 hdl ok thanks a lot gmcharlt and chris
20:12 slef football presenter on netherlands tv is wearing a bright purple jacket and mauve shirt!
20:11 slef paul_p: yeah, but that was self-harm. Our lot didn't even have the energy to riot.
20:11 chris In nz
20:11 chris Rugby world cup next year
20:11 paul_p slef: right, england were awful. Not like the great french team that did really a great competition :D :D
20:11 Colin hop holland ( and orange everything)
20:10 cait ok. that was enough sports for me until the next world cup
20:10 slef I will support Spain because they put out Germany who put out England (and who cares we were awful)
20:10 paul_p right slef
20:10 slef new world cup winners, here we go!
20:10 * paul_p will support oranje for the final I think
20:10 * cait cries a little bit
20:09 paul_p really expected germany to win.
20:09 paul_p sorry cait
20:09 cait hi larsw
20:09 Colin sorry cait
20:09 paul_p hi larsw & good morning to you
20:08 chris Hi larsw
20:08 larsw good morning
20:07 scott That's Ameri-peans, Owen
20:07 cait now 2
20:07 cait before world cup is over for germany
20:07 chris And made it to the bus
20:06 chris Works for me
20:06 cait 3 minutes...
20:05 hdl thd: pray for us sinners.
20:04 thd Natural language is also a sin against rationality :)
20:04 gmcharlt thd: well, the US is not Laputia, so that's OK ;)
20:03 thd I was not joking :)
20:03 thd Months first and the year last is a sin against rationality.
20:03 paul_p thd: was joking ;-)
20:02 thd paul_p the silly Americans put the months first and then the year last.
20:02 thd paul_p months should be first in ISO format.
20:02 gmcharlt thanks, everybody!
20:02 slef 2010-08-11
20:02 paul_p OK for aug, 11th
20:02 gmcharlt ok, I'm going to call it - next general meeting is Wednesday, 11 August 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0
20:01 paul_p silly americans that put months first ;-)
20:01 slef thd: later.
20:01 * chris_n looks to see if Colin is wearing an orange bow tie ;-)
20:01 paul_p oups, sorry
20:01 thd ?
20:01 paul_p but aug, 8th is a sunday !
20:01 thd chris is 8/11 19:00 UTC+0 good for the next meeting for you.
20:01 slef +1
20:01 tajoli +1
20:01 Colin +1 from europe
20:01 hdl +1
20:00 chris_n hehe
20:00 owen consensus from the Americans ;)
20:00 cait +1
20:00 sekjal +1
20:00 chris Back
20:00 owen +1
20:00 * gmcharlt selfishingly prefers that anyway :)
20:00 thd +1
20:00 chris_n +1
19:59 thd slef: are you coming to the US?
19:59 gmcharlt 8/11 19:00 UTC+0 ?
19:59 gmcharlt ok, how about
19:59 * owen can't make that time FWIW
19:59 slef I think I will be UTC-5 then, so might not make it.
19:58 chris_n maybe aug 11?
19:58 thd Is after 8 August OK for others?
19:58 paul_p slef: you don't know french laws : firing someone is harder than you can imagine here ;-)
19:58 slef We have probable new workers in process, but it's not so simple as hiring/firing.
19:58 paul_p (july 19th to aug 8th)
19:58 gmcharlt 10:00 UTC+0 ?
19:57 * paul_p will be in holiday
19:57 chris_n +1
19:57 gmcharlt first Wednesday of August is the 4th
19:57 gmcharlt anway, to close this meeting, let's set the time for the next one
19:57 wizzyrea_ biblibre++
19:57 paul_p (2 new developers)
19:57 gmcharlt paul_p: we'll just refer to him as M. Croullebois ;)
19:57 paul_p there will also be a Stéphane (Delaune)
19:57 chris_n more_chris_s++
19:56 thd I will start returning to my usual practise of introducing new threads for specific topics now that I am over a major confusion with Aaron.
19:56 wizzyrea_ oh sweet, chris's on 3 continents. I like.
19:56 paul_p too many chris on koha :D
19:56 paul_p another news : there will be soon a new chris... a french one. Christophe Croullebois will start working for BibLibre on jul, 19th ;-)
19:56 chris_n not to detract from its value :)
19:56 * chris_n is awash in thd's research as well
19:55 gmcharlt thd: slef: takes a while to digest them, for sure
19:55 thd slef: I agree about the multiple threads
19:55 slef run chris run
19:55 chris will try to be back from the phone
19:55 chris i hope i make it before i miss the last one
19:55 slef I'm a little confused by having multiple threads of very long messages. I don't know how well anyone else is coping?
19:55 chris ok bus time
19:54 thd that was my 4 July message which quoted a message from Aaron a couple of days before.
19:53 gmcharlt thd: noted with thanks
19:53 thd ... under AGPL 3 specific obligations.
19:53 thd I would like to encourage people to comment on the conclusion from Aaron Williamson in the 4 July message about the inclusion of unmodified third party modules in the Corresponding Source.
19:51 scott Haven't you heard, we're Ameripean's now?
19:51 chris_n +1
19:51 thd No one has commented on this message, http://tinyurl.com/24nwjdv , which is truncated in the Katipo archive.
19:51 cait +1
19:51 chris +1
19:51 paul_p gmcharlt: ++
19:51 gmcharlt and I suggest that that discussion stay there for now, unless something can be brought up briefly
19:50 gmcharlt anyway, regarding the action items - looks like the AGPL discussion has resumed on the mailnig lists
19:50 thd I have an issue from the previous meeting relating to license upgrade.
19:50 paul_p lol
19:50 gmcharlt rhcl: hush, you silly American ;)
19:50 * jwagner has never understood football/soccer/whatever you call it
19:50 rhcl What's the World Cup?
19:50 paul_p gmcharlt++
19:50 gmcharlt regarding action items from the previous meeting
19:50 thd :)
19:50 chris_n :)
19:49 gmcharlt moving on before the World Cup takes over the agenda
19:49 gmcharlt heh
19:49 chris yeah, id do them as 3 branches with an integration branch
19:49 paul_p ppl crying in the street :D some spanish ppl in Lille it seems ...
19:48 thd :)
19:48 jwagner I was more referring to development work -- there may be specs for 2-3 different features, but they all touch the same code & are better done as one branch.
19:48 cait nooo
19:48 paul_p goal ! (for spain)
19:48 chris jwagner: back to the int branches, that means 1, both, or the other feature can go in, thats why we do it that way
19:47 thd chris_n++
19:47 chris chris_n: ill see what i can do
19:47 * chris_n thinks particularly of the git ones
19:47 chris yep, if you have a feature set, that is a discreet unit then the chances of it being able to be accepted multiple tenfold
19:47 chris_n chris: will the dev meetings from kohacon be recorded and published?
19:46 hdl Sure. we just have too harmonize actions and work.
19:46 chris yes, linux kernel is quite big too hdl :) there are ways to do it
19:45 chris hdl: lines of code is about the same
19:45 hdl with kyle hall, masmedios, xercode, ptfs biblibre.
19:45 chris paul_p: we have signoff from the directors to use some resource from our QA team (catalyst has a dedicated qa team)
19:45 hdl chris yes... but we are all working on koha. And we will surely have quite a big tree
19:44 hdl you just squahs merge the branches ?
19:44 chris hdl: this is for stuff, not koha
19:44 hdl chris : so you are not publicising all your branches then.
19:44 chris and yep we can do QA
19:44 chris paul_p: reed wrote that
19:43 paul_p chris: lars wrote that maybe catalyst could dedicate some time to do that. Or did I misunderstood something ?
19:43 chris eg
19:43 chris bug_323_int_bug_453
19:43 chris jwagner: we do an int branch for that
19:43 paul_p chris: would be pleased to learn !
19:43 jwagner We usually do one branch per feature, although related ones may be combined.
19:43 chris paul_p: waiting for them to be rebased on master, and split into feature branches, then we can begin qa
19:42 paul_p (and lars mail)
19:42 chris paul_p: i can show you how to manage that, we have a couple of thousand branches
19:42 paul_p what about our 500+ patches ;-) any news from catalyst chris ?
19:42 paul_p yes, i've one gmcharlt !!!
19:42 chris i recommend for any developers who might be able to make it, come to kohacon :)
19:42 paul_p we decided to have a branch for each bug. I'm not sure it's a good idea now, we end with too many branches...
19:42 gmcharlt anyway, other question or comments about 3.4 before we move on in the agenda?
19:41 gmcharlt paul_p: depends on your workflow; certainly you can prune them once a topic branch has been merged in upstream
19:41 chris and push to the archive
19:41 paul_p (look at git.biblibre.com, you'll see ...)
19:41 chris i delete my local ones
19:41 paul_p because we tried to use branches. And we ended with hundreds of branches, and it was impossible to deal with all of them !
19:40 chris thd: both are owned by fairfax
19:40 paul_p about topic branches : once a branch is merged, do you remove it or keep it ?
19:40 chris or bugzilla bug, in koha case
19:40 chris we have a branch for every work request
19:40 chris *nod*
19:40 gmcharlt a lot of also has to do with planning on having more topic branches from the start
19:40 paul_p git gurus++
19:40 chris trademe.co.nz
19:39 hdl that would also help the project.
19:39 thd chris: Which is the first busiest website in NZ?
19:39 chris i plan to get some of our git gurus to talk at the dev conference also
19:39 paul_p that would be awesome !
19:39 paul_p chris++
19:39 chris paul_p: yep i think so
19:39 wizzyrea_ prety sure luck doesn't really factor into it
19:39 paul_p chris: could we have the tools you use to merge/mail/... that would be useful for a lot of us
19:39 chris which is lucky, cos its the second busiest website in nz hehe
19:38 slef cool
19:38 chris we havent had to roll back a release yet
19:38 chris nope, merges are run multiple times a day, developers are emailed when there are conflicts
19:37 slef chris: does it stuff up much?
19:37 paul_p chris, ok
19:37 paul_p cait, of course.
19:37 chris nope wouldnt do koha every three weeks, just saying, pulling branches isnt that bad
19:37 cait I think you can always decide to skip one release
19:36 paul_p because I can't imagine to updage all our customers every 3 weeks !
19:36 chris a bugs a bug
19:36 paul_p chris: do you deliver to a lot of customers this 3weekly releases ?
19:36 chris (for another project not koha)
19:35 chris slef: we do 3 weekly releases here, i have lots of experience pulling branches back out
19:35 paul_p fire in spanish goal area now ... but still 0-0 ;-)
19:35 chris_n plenty of QA should help avoid too many of those corner cases :)
19:34 slef gmcharlt: depends if it made a release, then was found to BLO... but this is all corner case of a corner case
19:34 chris well, the way it will work
19:34 gmcharlt ye olde git revert
19:34 slef paul_p: goal area is fine
19:34 cait paul_p: no fun to watch today
19:34 slef (where is git demerge when we need it? ;-) )
19:34 paul_p s/goal/scoring/
19:34 nengard key words being 'if possible'
19:33 paul_p wow .... fire in german goal area...
19:33 slef nengard: pull out the code and release without that feature if possible
19:33 joetho I think a relatively fixed time period for releases sounds like a good idea, particularly for developer/vendor planning.
19:33 chris Colin++
19:33 paul_p even if I feel that will never be 100% sure
19:33 chris_n nengard: with an always stable HEAD it is possible
19:33 Colin in cases like that the code that brought the bug gets pulled
19:33 nengard got it
19:33 paul_p nengard: the hope is that with topic branches & tests & ... there won't be BLO introduced
19:32 nengard soemtimes time based is unreasonable - if there is a bug that's blocking release - then it's blocking release - no matter how long it takes to fix ... we can shoot for time based, but it's not always acheivable
19:32 chris slef: i think you are right
19:32 chris_n hdl: should be 6 months or there about
19:32 paul_p yes, that's what I did for 2.2.x : new minor features without DB changes (or very minor ones like a new index) were added to 2.2.n+1
19:32 hdl chris_n: I agree with you provided that the timeline for 3.4 is really short.
19:32 slef I suspect that the number of involved parties downstream of the developers may make ETAs too unreliable to be useful. Better to lay down koha schedule and let what makes it make it.
19:32 gmcharlt chris_n++ # and if any features get added to 3.2.1 or later, I strongly suggest that they only be cherry-picks
19:32 chris :)
19:32 * chris_n digs his feet in further
19:32 Colin or architecture changes
19:31 tajoli Personaly I prefer time bases releases also for major (x.Y)
19:31 chris maybe if it had tests and made no db changes
19:31 chris_n 3.2.x will only be bugfixes
19:31 * paul_p think it would be very hard, so say no too
19:31 * chris_n says no, too
19:31 Colin and had tests
19:31 chris ahh no
19:31 sekjal and passed QA
19:31 sekjal gmcharlt: I'm thinking that new features slated for, say 3.4, could be added to 3.2.1 if they were completed early
19:30 hdl the problem is that sometimes, feature branche and bug fixes branch touches the same files.
19:30 gmcharlt sekjal: I think it's one or the other - once a branch hits maintenance mode, pushing bugfixes isn't generally an issue
19:30 cait paul_p: me too
19:30 chris estimated time of completion would make mine and colin's job a lot easier
19:29 nengard :)
19:29 nengard and my hotel
19:29 nengard i have mine!
19:29 * paul_p still has to take his plane ticket...
19:29 chris_n and bugzilla does some time tracking as well
19:29 nengard how = holy
19:29 gmcharlt nengard: which probably pushes some of it back to the bugs database, which would allow tagging of enh bugs and reporting on them
19:29 nengard how cow! is it that soon!! :)
19:29 chris this is a major topic we are going to be working on at the developer conference in 4 months time
19:28 paul_p nengard++
19:28 sekjal I had proposed to the devel list that we do major releases (X.Y) on a features basis, and minor releases (X.Y.Z) on a timed basis. Is that feasible?
19:28 chris_n nengard: +1
19:28 nengard I'd say a table with links to full descriptions, titles, expected dates, and sponsorship (based on what we're all saying)
19:28 hdl but there would be a branch which could containe more patches.
19:28 chris chris_n: defnitely
19:28 paul_p easier to manage fast cycles : if the feature is ready say 1 month after the release, that would be easier to deal with : we deliver it to the customer, and we integrate it in next version
19:28 nengard should we look at other public rfc type pages and see how they're organized to give us ideas on how it's best done?
19:27 chris_n topic branches will definitely help with that sort of thing
19:27 chris under true timebased
19:27 chris also, a feature that has bugs would be removed
19:27 cait what is the time frame we are speaking of?
19:27 paul_p chris, yes, a non ready feature would be delayed
19:27 chris_n +1
19:26 thd People should be encouraged to update originally anticipated timelines with current anticipation as reality takes over
19:26 jwagner paul_p, subpages might be preferable. How about a link to a complete list on another site?
19:26 chris also, if we are doing timebased, if something isnt ready, we wont be pushing it just to make the deadline, it will just have to miss that release
19:26 paul_p yes hdl
19:26 hdl paul_p: could be subcategories
19:26 cait +1
19:25 * chris_n hates having to scroll too far down a page
19:25 paul_p jwagner: maybe a page for each module ? "RFC acq, RFC cataloguing, RFC serials,..." ?
19:25 chris jwagner: if it actually is going to be sent as patches to be merged in
19:25 chris_n perhaps links from that page to the detailed RFCs?
19:25 chris also, if we move to tighter releases, some features are not going to make it
19:25 jwagner Do you really want that much on the page?
19:25 paul_p (we already have most of the 3.4 BibLibre RFCs already written and on git.biblibre.com ...)
19:25 jwagner I'm concerned about the page getting overwhelmed. We have maybe a couple of _hundred_ features sponsored that we'll be listing within the next few weeks.
19:24 chris and wether its under a 6 month embargo
19:24 paul_p yep
19:24 chris yes
19:24 Colin it is important to know that an rfc is likely to be delivered
19:24 thd Knowing reality would also be helpful
19:23 chris_n I think knowing a vendor's timeframe would be most helpful
19:23 gmcharlt paul_p: worth considering
19:23 paul_p more than a RFC3.4, RFC36 ...
19:23 chris_n +1
19:23 paul_p if we have time-based/frequent releases shouldn't we have a "RFC" page, with a column "timeline expected" and "integrated in version ..." ?
19:23 slef ok
19:23 chris_n snap
19:23 chris_n and the bug marked as sponsored
19:22 gmcharlt ideally, yes
19:22 chris ideally yes
19:22 chris_n should RFCs also contain an associated bug# for an enhancement request?
19:22 chris yes
19:22 jwagner Question -- should sponsored new development be listed here?
19:22 chris eg, catalyst plan to work on the template::toolkit conversion and db schema abstraction
19:21 chris if people wold like to put there names against things they plan to work on on that page also, that would be handy
19:21 gmcharlt but legacy RFCs that never got done or never got submitted shouldn't be tacked on to the 3.4 list without discussion
19:21 gmcharlt i.e., 3.2 RFCs that have a decent chance of actually getting code would be candidates for 3.4
19:20 chris yes, that is a good idea
19:20 gmcharlt slef: I'd suggest reissuing a call for RFCs on anything that was proposed but not contributed
19:20 chris that would make it easier, basically anything that is not a bug fix now, is not going into 3.2 anything that is a feature set, gets made into a branch
19:19 chris if you want to label it [3.4]
19:19 nengard chris are we supposed to be doing something diff with our patches to make it so that they make it into a new/ branch? or are you just picking what wasn't added to 3.2?
19:19 * gmcharlt would vote for that practice continuing for non-trivial topics
19:19 slef should we review 3.0's roadmap and move bits that didn't happen to 3.4?
19:19 chris until 3.2 is released and branched, this practice will continue
19:18 gmcharlt (http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/RFCs_for_Koha_3.4)
19:18 chris eg new/db_dump
19:18 chris patches that cant go into 3.2 have been pushed up in new/ branches in git
19:18 chris_n hehe
19:17 chris but now 3.2 is nearly out, we can start thing about 3.4
19:17 chris right, ive been holding off talking about 3.4 too much, because its always more exciting to make new bugs instead of fixing old ones
19:17 gmcharlt chris?
19:17 chris just a big thanks from me
19:17 gmcharlt if not, on to the 3.4 update
19:16 hdl any questions comments ?
19:16 hdl I still need some time to make a clean updatedatabase from 3.0 to 3.2
19:14 hdl And will be the last of 3.0.x
19:14 hdl 3.0.7 will be issued in the next couple of weeks.
19:14 davi here for a while
19:13 hdl yep
19:13 gmcharlt ok, moving on, then - hdl?
19:13 chris not from me
19:12 gmcharlt any quesitons before we move to the update on 3.0?
19:12 slef 3.2.1 gives me kittens
19:11 tajoli Clearly
19:11 slef tajoli: today I think it gets accepted into rel_3_2, then relabelled for rel_3_0. Mention that it applies to both!
19:11 thd owen: 3.2.1 should have no shortage of kittens which had been frozen out of 3.2
19:10 tajoli OK
19:10 gmcharlt tajoli: one
19:10 slef thanks owen!
19:10 tajoli Two entry in bugzilla or only one ?
19:10 owen http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity
19:10 nengard LOL
19:10 tajoli A question: what to do if the bug is present in 3.0 and 3.2. The exactly same code ?
19:09 * owen finds string freezes to be unfair to kittens everywhere
19:09 slef (hey, where's the Severity descriptions page gone from the help?)
19:09 gmcharlt so a general announcement to the translators to continue their good offices woudl be a good idea
19:09 Nate Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions... sorry im late!
19:08 chris cool, ill regen the .po files
19:08 gmcharlt string freeze is in effect
19:08 chris sounds like if we work hard, we could get rc1 out in the next week
19:08 * wizzyrea_ cheers
19:08 * chris_n cheers
19:08 gmcharlt but anyway, in no event will general release happen later than the general meeting next month
19:07 chris fredericd's job soon :)
19:07 * gmcharlt thumb-wrestles with chris
19:07 chris spot the translation manager :)
19:07 chris heh
19:07 chris major tajoli
19:07 gmcharlt tajoli: normal, I'd say
19:07 tajoli OK I will do a bug about it. Which level ?
19:07 slef relabelled
19:07 gmcharlt I'll accept patches for major bugs, but they those bugs will not be allowed to hold up RC1
19:06 wizzyrea_ jinx nengard
19:06 wizzyrea_ :D
19:06 nengard :)
19:06 chris yeah that one
19:06 cait for example you cant use singlebranchmode atm
19:06 wizzyrea_ 3.2.1
19:06 nengard you mean 3.2.1
19:06 chris they get fixed asap and go into 3.0.1
19:06 cait what happens to the other bugs? some are really annoying
19:05 wizzyrea_ \o/
19:05 chris yay
19:05 paul_p rc1++, I confirm ;-)
19:05 gmcharlt it will become general release
19:05 gmcharlt upon confirmation that upgrades from 3.0.x to RC1 are OK
19:05 chris rc1++
19:05 chris tajoli: can you file a bug for that please
19:05 paul_p hello everybody, from an hotel in Lille
19:05 gmcharlt so upon closing of the blockers, or at least sufficient reason to downgrade their severity, I will release RC1
19:03 slef relabelling...
19:03 gmcharlt slef: sure, go ahead
19:03 slef gmcharlt: (want me to relabel?)
19:02 slef gmcharlt: why are most of the bugs showing as blocking HEAD not rel_3_2?
19:02 tajoli Also marc21_field_007.tmpl has problem on translation
19:02 cait not sure about problems with ohter languages, chose Spanish, French and German for testing
19:02 chris ah ok
19:01 cait can be fixed there
19:01 cait chris: the html entities come from pootle
19:01 chris anyway we can investigate later
19:01 chris cait: they arent in the .po file eh?
19:00 gmcharlt I'd like to ask chris and/or fredericd to look into that one
19:00 cait and the french translation contains html entities
19:00 gmcharlt cait: well, that may still keep it a blocker, though, if it's preventing the translated tempates from being generated
19:00 cait can separate them, but have no idea what is wrong with spanish, some files were not generated by the translate script
18:59 cait different bugs
18:59 nengard chris agreed
18:59 cait but the img tags are not the problem
18:59 cait no
18:59 gmcharlt cait: so French and Spanish translation generation now tests OK? cool
18:59 chris yay!
18:58 cait I think we can close that
18:58 gmcharlt chris: sounds good
18:58 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4472 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation
18:58 Colin I'll try running an upgrade
18:58 gmcharlt bug 4472
18:58 chris for 3756, i vote we dont close the bug when the quick and dirty patch is applied, merely drop its severity
18:58 gmcharlt and finally
18:58 gmcharlt Colin: since you were the last to test on that bug, if you can test again, I'd appreciate it
18:57 * wizzyrea_ cheers
18:57 gmcharlt pending testing, hopefully this can be close
18:57 gmcharlt which hdl submtted a patch for earlier today
18:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2
18:57 chris sweet
18:57 gmcharlt bug 4310
18:57 gmcharlt which is fully patched, and I think is just one more test away from closure
18:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4188 blocker, P1, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Basketgroup print fails to generate a file
18:56 gmcharlt bug 4188
18:56 gmcharlt my thanks to hdl and BibLibre for doing work on that, as well as letting me borrower a copy of a 3.0 production database to test the upgrade path with as well
18:56 * jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, American Numismatic Society and elsewhere
18:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4141 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, reconcile 3.0.x and HEAD database updates for 3.2.0
18:56 gmcharlt bug 4141
18:55 gmcharlt for this, a quick-and-dirty approach will have to do, namely repurposing code from the previous sysprefs editor to handle local sysprefs only
18:55 jcamins Sorry I'm late.
18:55 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference
18:55 gmcharlt bug 3756
18:55 gmcharlt for which patch is available; I will be testing and pushing
18:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt
18:54 gmcharlt bug 3536
18:54 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CILEA (Italy)
18:54 gmcharlt namely
18:54 gmcharlt there are currently six blockers to close before the release candidate can come out
18:54 gmcharlt as far as 3.2 is concerend, I've released the beta
18:53 gmcharlt first
18:53 gmcharlt one to the agenda
18:53 gmcharlt nice
18:53 chris would work
18:53 chris tangata koha
18:52 chris no s in maori
18:52 chris_n Chris Nighswonger, FBC
18:52 slef it's probably something less pronouncably Maori
18:52 nengard new librarians asking if Kohanians is a real word :) hehe
18:51 SJeffery_ Steve Jeffery, FCX
18:51 joetho welcome to the three new Kohanians with Nicole!
18:51 * slef = MJ Ray, software.coop worker-owner
18:51 brendan Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions
18:51 Colin = Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe
18:51 rhcl Greg Lawson - Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
18:51 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:51 scott Scott Kushner, MTPL/NJ
18:51 collum Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library
18:51 sekjal Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions
18:50 joetho joetho = Joe Tholen, SEKLS / Kansas
18:50 cait Katrin Fischer, BSZ
18:50 * nengard = Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions & Doc Manager (here with 3 new koha librarians)
18:50 * wizzyrea_ Liz Rea, NEKLS
18:50 jwagner Jane Wagner, PTFS
18:50 * owen Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library
18:50 chris chris cormack, 3.4 RM
18:50 * gmcharlt = Galen Charton, 3.2 RM
18:50 gmcharlt but first, let's have a round of introductions
18:50 gmcharlt 5. Agree times of next meetings.
18:50 gmcharlt 4. Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 2 June 2010.
18:50 gmcharlt 3. Update on Roadmap to 3.4.
18:50 gmcharlt 2. Update on Roadmap to 3.0.
18:50 gmcharlt 1. Update on Roadmap to 3.2.
18:50 gmcharlt and consists of
18:49 gmcharlt agenda for this meeting can be found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_7_July_2010
18:49 * owen puts down his bug-swatter
18:49 cait :)
18:49 gmcharlt I'm calling this meeting to order
18:49 gmcharlt good afternoon, good evening, and good morning
18:49 scott cool
18:48 slef 3.0 = current, 3.2 = coming soon, 3.4 = future
18:47 gmcharlt SJeffery_: it's the maintenance release - think of it as current stable, like Debian lenny, with 3.2 being squeeze
18:46 SJeffery_ Ah, ok, I was thinking 3.0 was considered an "old" release.
18:45 chris performance issues yes
18:44 scott We have some speed issues, when opening patron records with alot of stuff on them.
18:43 scott 3.4 is dealing with architectural issues, is that correct?
18:43 slef yes, sorry, rushing, trying to get some stuff finished before the meetings
18:42 chris 3.0. and 3.2 are the current versions, 3.4 is a future one, is what slef was saying i think :)
18:41 SJeffery_ Features that were on the roadmap that didn't make it into the release that need to be pused into a future release?
18:40 slef SJeffery_: current version roadmaps
18:40 SJeffery_ What is the reason for having to review past version roadmaps?
18:39 owen scott: I thought you already found that out? Weren't you in on the punctuation poetry slam?
18:39 wizzyrea_ affirmative, scott
18:39 owen Okay, bug 3783 fixed, but the fix only applies to non-xslt
18:39 scott Is this thing on?
18:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3783 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, marcurls doesn't support multiple subfields url
18:35 owen Should the fix for Bug 3783 have allowed me to see multiple 856u's in one record?
18:32 wizzyrea_ hehe
18:32 joetho I must have a suspicious nature.
18:32 joetho "bye for now, log in later with NEW LAPTOP"
18:32 joetho "enrolling in college"
18:31 joetho "loving hands of poor college student"
18:30 pianohack Anyway, bye for now, might log in later with new laptop
18:30 pianohack slef: dunno about ubuntu either, but base compiz on my arch install has alt-f4 mapped
18:29 wizzyrea_ or sold on ebay or somesuch
18:28 wizzyrea_ no, I'm sure they are in the loving hands of some poor college student by now
18:28 joetho did you ever find your laptops, wizzyrea?
18:27 slef I've better things to do than shepherd laptops. I'll ignore it and it will come home.
18:24 gmcharlt how very irresponsible of it - tell it to come home ;)
18:20 slef (and not online)
18:20 slef Not sure about ubuntu and the ubuntu machine I usually use is a few countries away just now.
18:19 slef I suspect kubuntu is most likely for it to still work.
18:18 owen ...like Ubuntu I guess
18:18 slef depends if you're using one of the poor Windows Wannabe systems
18:18 wizzyrea_ I've never tried it
18:18 wizzyrea_ >.>
18:18 wizzyrea_ does that still work in linux?
18:18 druthb буфет
18:17 slef wizzyrea_: nah, no-one's falling for it.
18:17 * druthb suggests that we write a collaborative poem using only punctuation, letters with diacritics, and non-Roman alphabets.
18:17 * wizzyrea_ waits with bated breath...
18:16 slef no-one trying to type that character you get by pressing alt and f4?
18:16 wizzyrea_ å
18:16 druthb þ
18:16 scott ?
18:15 wizzyrea_ ø
18:15 druthb ß
18:13 pianohack (caucasiocentrists!)
18:12 pianohack ¿
18:12 druthb ?
18:11 chris !
18:10 owen _
18:09 scott .
18:05 chris :)
18:05 chris i can always translate it back
18:05 sekjal if we extend the granular permissions system to the patrons, we can have permissions like "CanBorrow", "CanUseLocally", and "CanAccessFacilities"
18:04 chris suspended is fine
18:04 wizzyrea_ the "no, you can't use the library" flag.
18:04 chris well i think since it has been morphed into meaning suspended, and is tied to things like overdues
18:03 slef ok, who's going to summarise this?
18:03 wizzyrea_ I think at core we're talking about the same thing
18:03 chris rather than practically used to throw people out
18:02 slef I think I've used exactly one library where I had to scan my card on entry.
18:02 chris its more that its a signal that you cant just let someone borrow again if they come and ask you nicely
18:02 wizzyrea_ < has mostly very small libraries, and none with entry barriers
18:02 sekjal it'd make an interesting enhancement. have a page with the names and pictures of people not allowed in the building, and a place to the contact info for your local security team
18:02 wizzyrea_ true
18:02 slef wizzyrea_: it might work if entry barriers were linked to the LMS
18:01 wizzyrea_ at least none of mine
18:01 chris in that case suspended would be ok
18:01 wizzyrea_ I can't think of any library that actually uses the ILS as a list of banned patrons
18:01 owen chris I'm very surprised--I never knew that the original meaning was so serious!
18:01 chris ah yeah, if it has been tied to overdues, it has had its original use corrupted
18:00 wizzyrea_ it's kind of the worst in a series of "your account is not in good standing" flags
18:00 slef owen's example seems to be http://lu.com/odlis/odlis_d.cfm#delinquent
18:00 owen That's always how we've used it
18:00 owen Since overdue notice triggers can debar a patron it seems that it has now been tied to less serious circ policy
18:00 wizzyrea_ agree with owen here
17:59 slef ODLIS calls it "problem patron" http://lu.com/odlis/odlis_p.cfm#problempatron
17:59 owen That's certainly not how it is understood in my experience
17:59 chris not to be confused with suspended cos we dont have a valid address for you
17:59 chris debarred is 'get the hell out of the library cos u tried to burn it down'
17:58 chris well there are other flags for stopping lending
17:58 owen chris: It depends on your library's policy
17:58 slef oh ok, so banned
17:58 chris you have to do a lot to get debarred
17:58 chris oh it isnt a nice thing
17:57 slef blocked might be a nicer way of putting it?
17:57 chris is what it means here, and what it meant in koha's case
17:57 chris banned
17:56 slef debar isn't in ODLIS, so should be removed. What does it mean?
17:55 owen slef, I'd be interested hearing your opinion on this: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-July/024453.html
17:55 slef T-55mins?
17:54 pianohack hola slef
17:53 slef moo
17:40 joetho "hangin on by a thread"
17:38 pianohack How are you, joetho?
17:38 pianohack Just helping out mib_ipx1t
17:35 joetho .
17:35 joetho warming up for an irc meeting?
17:34 pianohack .
17:34 pianohack I agree
17:33 mib_ipx1t .
17:01 cait owen++ #because he deserves it
16:48 cait hi all
16:39 sekjal owen: cool
16:39 owen But I went ahead and did it :)
16:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3393 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Default branches and overdues notices
16:39 owen Hi sekjal, I was going to check in with you about reassigning Bug 3393 to you
16:37 sekjal hey, owen
16:37 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4484, Rss tag is not escaped in search result <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6127553c4494393beb3cec6bc534db0db079a5a9> / newordersuggestion would not filter by status <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb53c0d662ea7c4eefce905844903ad6ac50e741> / error 500 when record cannot be loaded <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e
16:35 owen sekjal?
16:28 owen It'd be nice to get a warning about that
16:28 owen Never mind, the entries which didn't save didn't have a delay value specified
16:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: UNIMARC coded field search : No results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab1ca606e33ecd9d10833e2ee9143c31ed127f89>
16:24 owen Could someone else try it?
16:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4295 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Overduerules doesn't save "debarred" conf
16:24 owen I was just testing Bug 4295 and I'm finding that overduerules.pl isn't saving *anything*
16:17 munin New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #3772) show place hold button in isbd view <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3807dd7b19de3f400a956c573d8f3369837ba7f4>
16:07 munin New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #4954) allow date expiry modification only on step 0 and 3 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f5d093c5b5742dc21ca96c0b58bcee3a074da7d> / Update 3.0 to 3.2 budgets <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17800939e8a3e6f34549ade0e5e068728e5cb907>
16:01 owen I couldn't reproduce it
16:01 owen Replicating the bug
16:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, modifying a member renew his card
16:01 gmcharlt owen: re bug 4954 is your comment about replicating the bug or testing the patch?
15:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4953 - make the debian package copy in YUI images <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=618b092a5e9f37551ccac178f1735ddf6d05d1b8> / bug 4952 - make the koha-remove script stop zebra for the instance <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dcfa1ec4cd78be7b6525ea4ac519e7adef942c6>
15:52 brendan hi ruth
15:52 kf *sighs*
15:52 kf owen: ok, seems you cant delete vendors and you cant edit orders (even if basket is not closed)
15:51 wizzyrea_ kool ty
15:51 gmcharlt three hours from now
15:51 gmcharlt 19:00 UTC+0
15:51 wizzyrea_ oh what time is the meeting
15:50 kf bye all, will be back for the meeting :)
15:43 imp owen: just a guess, sounds like an enum
15:43 wizzyrea_ hey there
15:43 druthb hi, brendan and wizzyrea_!
15:42 owen How is the upper-case significant?
15:42 owen I've got a Perl question: In Circulation.pm, there are lines like $issuingimpossible{UNKNOWN_BARCODE} = 1;
15:35 munin owen: chris_n was last seen in #koha 5 days, 19 hours, 41 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <chris_n> heya paul
15:35 owen @seen chris_n
15:34 CGI520 Cris_n appears in green... so means??
15:31 CGI520 Colombia
15:31 kf Germany
15:31 CGI520 but to write much better
15:30 CGI520 where are you?
15:30 kf Im not a native speaker :)
15:30 kf I think chris_n is working on koha on windoes - but not sure what the status is
15:30 CGI520 Excuse me for my english
15:29 kf I think debian/ubuntu/linux is the better option at the moment, there are a lot of install manuals too
15:29 CGI520 I want to use Koha but i dont know to windows exist other version or is necessary to use linux
15:28 kf I think there are not many people who can help you with that version and bugs will not get fixed
15:28 CGI520 umm so windows i dont found more update
15:27 kf 2.2.9 is very old
15:27 CGI520 i have version 2.2.9 for windows
15:27 CGI520 To Spanish
15:27 CGI520 thanks
15:26 mib_ycu7u what language are you trying to translate to?
15:24 CGI520 HI!!!
15:22 CGI520 Hi, I very new in this but i want to learn. I need traslate a Koha but my operative system is windows i try i read guides i don´t have support so I need HELP!!!
15:13 mib_ycu7u Anyone around that might be able to help with this problem ---> if I want to add a new Bib record and when entering an Author I click the "..." button to browse authorities, nothing returns in the search results when I enter an Author name
14:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4957 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, browse shelf shouldn't appear if no call number
14:59 owen Okay, so for the purposes of Bug 4957, it would be logical to wrap the shelf browse link in a check for a call number
14:58 gmcharlt but yeah, as it is currently implemented, and as I think most people conceptualize it, it's just a browse by call number
14:58 owen But that's hypothetical
14:58 gmcharlt owen: well, I could imagine a variation that is essentially a browse on any field, including author, title, or subject, that displays cover images
14:57 owen Okay gmcharlt, are there other factors which make a shelf browse functional and useful in the absence of a call number?
14:55 kf *sighs* will test a bit more and file a bug
14:54 owen "file a bug" is almost always the right answer ;)
14:53 kf file a bug?
14:53 kf im preparing our test installation for a presentation next week
14:50 gmcharlt owen: that's OK, I don't like them either :)
14:49 owen whoops, that was a /me
14:49 owen Doesn't like any deletion-without-warning interactions
14:48 gmcharlt ick, no
14:48 kf owen: you can delete budgets - without warning and all before you start deleting orders.. is this a good thing?
14:47 gmcharlt touche
14:47 kf hm, perhaps better learn perl
14:46 gmcharlt i.e., if you spend time going down the rabbit hole of English spelling and grammar, it may take a while before you can unbury yourself
14:46 kf I think German is much more difficult and full of oddities
14:45 gmcharlt kf: I was speaking generally about the oddities of the English language :)
14:45 kf owen: seems I cant delete some orders, perhaps the printed orders?
14:45 kf not in general
14:45 * kf was speaking about her english grammar .)
14:45 owen Making a vendor inactive doesn't seem to hide them from the display, but it prevents you from adding a new basket
14:44 gmcharlt English *spelling*, on the other hand ...
14:44 gmcharlt actually, no, it isn't that bad
14:44 owen gmcharlt: Good point. You *can* make a vendor inactive
14:44 * kf hides
14:43 kf gmcharlt: is it that bad?
14:43 kf i can reopen and delete the orders
14:43 gmcharlt kf: don't do it! we'll never see you again!
14:43 * kf makes a note to read something about english grammar soon
14:43 gmcharlt well, one consideration for acquisitions is protecting the audit trail - so it's not unreasonable to restrict deleting vendor records, particularly if they have transactions attached to them
14:43 kf me neither
14:42 owen kf: I'm not an acquisitions expert, but I don't see any links or buttons for deletions
14:42 kf owen: ouch.
14:41 gmcharlt owen: I think that is a slightly too broad a statement, but there's an obvious practical difficulty browsing in call number order if an item has no call number
14:41 owen kf: looks like you're stuck with them!
14:40 kf|mtg is there a way you can delete a vendor?
14:39 owen Is that correct, that the shelf browser should be displayed only if there is a call number?
14:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4957 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, browse shelf shouldn't appear if no call number
14:39 owen Regarding Bug 4957...
14:29 fredericd mib_ycu7u: Do you have populated Koha with authority records? are they indexed by Zebra?
13:34 mib_ycu7u Thanks owen, I will hang around for a while!
13:33 * owen isn't an authority record user so I don't know how to help mib_ycu7u
13:29 mib_ycu7u I mightn't have been clear. This is if I want to add a new Bib record and when entering an Author I click the "..." button to browse authorities, nothing returns in the search results when I enter an Author name
13:29 mib_ycu7u Yep, all other seaches fine
13:27 owen mib_ycu7u: Zebra is running and you can search for other kinds of records?
13:27 mib_ycu7u Can anyone help me out? I can't seem to get my Author Authorities showing in Cat when trying to link. The search returns no results. version 3.06
13:15 hdl (the patch you submitted this morning ... will send today)
13:14 hdl nahuel: I ported the patch on master
13:00 fredericd superbly
12:58 owen Ah, so I can ignore them :)
12:57 fredericd owen: both modules are used by SIP2 server
12:54 owen Are Net::Server and UNIVERSAL::require new dependencies?
12:51 nahuel yep
12:49 owen The patch you submitted was for 3.0.x, correct?
12:48 nahuel me too :p
12:48 nahuel of course
12:48 owen ...but not all patches for 3.0 apply to 3.2, so someone needs to do more work to finish it
12:47 nahuel generally bugs on 3.0 exists on 3.2
12:47 owen Then at least someone can look at it and know it needs to be tested in 3.2
12:47 owen That's fine. If all you know is that it's a 3.0.x problem, then say that
12:47 nahuel I have not always the time to test on 3.2
12:46 nahuel depends
12:46 owen nahuel: Can you please include that information when you file bugs?
12:45 nahuel at least 3.0
12:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, modifying a member renew his card
12:45 owen nahuel: What version of Koha does Bug 4954 apply to?
12:42 Nate Hiya everyone, druthb!
12:42 kf|mtg hi owen
12:42 owen Hi all
12:42 druthb hi gmcharlt and Nate and owen! :D
12:36 kf|mtg hi gmcharlt and jwagner
12:17 jwagner morning
12:16 gmcharlt good morning
11:16 kf|mtg :)
11:14 druthb kf++
11:14 kf|mtg :)
11:14 kf|mtg no worries .)
11:14 mib_entyn thanks!
11:14 kf|mtg yes
11:12 mib_entyn Well, turns out I'm a muppet! Its working fine now after that xslt change, I was looking in the wrong place! I just need to add a non standard tag now, can I just copy an existing section in the xslt and change it as required?
11:08 kf|mtg result list or detail view?
11:07 mib_entyn it's happening with any record
11:07 mib_entyn 3.0006010
11:07 kf|mtg mib_entyn: which koha version are u using?
11:06 kf|mtg mib_entyn: use xslt and edit the stylesheet
11:06 kf|mtg perhaps its a problem with your record?
11:06 kf|mtg mib_entyn: it should work immediately
11:05 mib_entyn Just out of interest, is it possible to add non-standard tags to the display? How would you go about that? edit the stylesheet?
11:03 mib_entyn well, that didn't change anything. Should i need to reload apache or anything?
11:01 kf|mtg when you go to administration > system preferences search for xslt
11:01 mib_entyn Cool - I will try it out and let you know
11:01 kf|mtg I think its a bit better perhaps.
11:01 kf|mtg there is a sys pref in parameters where you can choose xslt as alternative for the normal view
11:00 kf|mtg can I take a look at your catalog? I think the marc frameworks is only for marc view, you should be able to see 245$b in normal view
11:00 mib_entyn xslt display? Not sure what you mean about that - sorry!
11:00 mib_entyn Thanks - I'll stay conencted and check back in a while
11:00 kf|mtg mib_entyn: are u using the xslt display?
10:59 druthb You might check back a little later in the day, and look for "owen"; he's a big-time OPAC/displays person, done a lot of work in that area. He might know something I do not,.
10:59 druthb Hrm. I would think in full view, it should be, then. That's a stumper to me..anyone else?
10:57 mib_entyn The tag is showing OK in the frame work, it's just not showing in the full bib view when the record is searched in OPAC - sorry for being vauge!
10:56 druthb mib_entyn: you'll need to edit the MARC framework for that; it's not hard to take care of.. just edit it for the framework that the bib record is, or you might want to do it for all frameworks.
10:55 mib_entyn Hello - would anyone be able to tell me how to add a marc tag to the OPAC display? 245 $b isn't showing even though there is an entry in the record?
10:54 druthb hi, kf! :D
10:54 munin kf|mtg: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.3�C (1:04 PM CEST on July 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Steady).
10:54 kf|mtg @wunder Konstanz
10:54 kf|mtg hi druthb
10:52 chris http://metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington
10:51 chris that winds getting up a bit
10:51 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (10:00 PM NZST on July 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
10:51 chris @wunder wellington,nz
10:49 chris hiya druthb
10:49 druthb howdy, #koha!
08:55 kf hi chris
08:54 chris wb kf
08:49 chris grumble
08:15 chris translate
08:15 Fred i ve been through translation using tmpl_process3.pl for opac and intranet templates, could i do the same for pref.po?
08:14 Fred another question
08:06 chris and ill tell my wife to invoice PTFS :)
08:02 chris yeah, that wouldn't be a bad idea
08:02 fredericd chris: everybody understands now how to submit large development via git branches; Maybe someone should write it on the wiki
07:51 chris fredericd: its disheartening that have to keep saying the same things again and again and again though :(
07:50 Fred Oh could be that then, cause i m on standard installation
07:46 fredericd chris: Nice exchange on koha list!
07:46 fredericd Fred: It's possible that the translation script doesn't work if Koha isn't installed in devel mode. Not sure it's a bug...
07:45 Fred but my tmpl_process3.pl is in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator, guess it s that he doesn't like much
07:43 chris that looks fine then
07:43 Fred -rwxr-xr-x 1 koha koha
07:43 Fred in fact this path seems wrong
07:42 chris whats the permissions on that file?
07:42 chris hmm
07:41 Fred then i guess i ve missed something...cause i got this kind of error : Can't exec "/usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/misc/translator/tmpl_process3.pl"
07:41 Fred i ve found nothing there too :)
07:40 chris you could check bugs.koha-community.org
07:40 chris not that im aware of no
07:39 Fred is there sthg wrong reported with translate script and LangInstaller.pm?
07:38 Fred I ve a question about 3.2 beta
07:37 Fred Hi
07:16 chris *sigh*
06:55 francharb hi chris
06:53 chris hi francharb
06:29 cait hi chris
06:27 chris hi cait
05:52 cait good morning
04:04 Genji or are they set on kw?
04:04 Genji where in the config files in zebra, is the options @attr 2=102 and @attr 5=1 set on things like wrdl?
04:03 Genji hiya all
03:42 robin ^-- not a good name for a variable :)
03:42 robin my $arg2 = $newdata{'dateenrolled'} || C4::Dates->today('iso');