Time Nick Message 00:24 robin oh wait...not using a multithreading apache certainly helps, too. 00:49 robin the checkauth function is ~400 lines long :( 00:50 chris its all do with the granular preferences and stuff eh? 00:50 robin I'm not sure. 00:51 robin The loading the name from basic auth doesn't actually set up the user in the session, so other things blow up. I'm trying to work out how to deal with that. 00:51 chris ah 00:56 gmcharlt chris: robin: no, its 400 lines because of code bloat and insufficient functional separation 00:56 gmcharlt the granular permissions stuff per se is only about 25 of those lines ;) 00:56 robin gmcharlt: yes, that's correct :) 00:57 robin I'm going to be doing a little refactoring of it in order to make this work. 00:57 robin but first, I'm doing some reformatting just so I can tell where blocks start and end. 00:59 chris_n refactoring++ 01:04 gmcharlt test_cases++ 01:05 chris :) 01:07 chris_n :P 01:13 robin well, now the function is no more well designed, but the indentation is correct and the bracketing style is consistent. So that's a start. 01:18 * chris_n grumbles at his docbook editor 01:23 chris_n the sorry thing crashed 01:23 Brendan Hi chris_n 01:23 chris_n howdy Brendan 01:23 chris_n how's DC? 01:24 Brendan Hot man 01:24 chris_n hehe 01:24 Brendan Can't believe how much being outside suxs right now 01:24 chris_n yeah, its not CA 01:25 chris_n @wunder 28334 01:25 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 25.2�C (9:31 PM EDT on June 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 998.9 hPa (Steady). 01:25 chris humid and hot Brendan ? 01:25 chris_n @wunder 22727 01:26 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Madison Cnty; 3 miles NE Haywood, Haywood, Virginia is 23.9�C (9:30 PM EDT on June 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising). 01:26 chris_n ouch 01:26 Brendan Yup 01:26 chris_n raining? 01:27 Brendan Well im wet enough for it to seem like rain 01:27 chris yuck 02:23 chris_n g'night 03:08 Amit heya chris 03:08 Amit morning #koha 04:04 robin what is that _session_log gunk in C4::Auth doing there? It looks like it should be removed. 04:12 Mehwish Hello All! 04:13 Mehwish I want to ask is it necessary for every item to have a barcode? 04:13 Mehwish cannot we issue / checkout a book without barcode information? 04:14 Mehwish Is there any way to issue/checkout a book that do not have barcode? 04:15 Mehwish Is there any setting in Administration that enable me to checkout books without barcode information? 04:17 robin Mehwish: a barcode isn't necessary, but some way of uniquely identifying each item is certainly useful, even if it's a number you type in by hand. 04:17 robin A barcode just makes that process easier. 04:17 Mehwish OK we have entered more than 2000 records.. 04:18 Mehwish almost all without barcode. 04:18 Mehwish Now how can a librarian checkout those books? 04:19 Mehwish as entering barcode seems to me the only option for checkout. 04:19 Mehwish can they browse books select book and then checkout that book to a patron? 04:20 Mehwish I cannot see any option other than entering barcode? 04:21 robin Hmm, you're right. I haven't played with that part of the system much. 04:21 robin I'm not aware of an option to change that, but it may be possible. I expect that almost everyone uses barcodes of some sort. 04:21 Mehwish now do we have to enter all 2000 records again??? 04:22 Mehwish we cannot afford that.. 04:22 robin No, I think that at the worst you'd just have to attach barcodes to them, all the information is going to remain the same so won't need to be entered. 04:23 Mehwish means we need to edit all record again and enter barcod for each by hand? 04:25 robin Yeah, I think so. I had a quick look and can't see an option to turn the checkout barcode box into a search box. 04:27 Mehwish OK Thanks but that is very expensive solution I think. 04:28 robin someone else may have a better idea, but I'm not aware of one. Lurk around here or perhaps ask on the mailing list, someone may be able to help. 04:28 wasabi Mehwish: its only a small perl-script to mod your items to have a unique value in the barcode field 04:29 robin Mehwish: oh yeah, you can give them a barcode value now, but only attach the code to the book when you have to handle it. 04:29 robin that way it's not significantly slower. 04:30 Mehwish Sorry I am not getting.. 04:31 robin Give each item in koha a barcode value. Pre-print sheets containing all the barcodes for all the books. When someone brings up a book with no barcode, look it up, find the barcode in the sheet, and attach it to the book. 04:31 Mehwish are u saying that I can run a query to give them barcode and then print out barcode list then attached a small chit 04:31 robin It won't be fast, but with 2,000 items, it'll be over quick. 04:31 robin basically, yeah 04:32 Mehwish hmm.. It seems some reasonable solution. 04:32 robin at least you're spreading the hard work out over a longer time :) 04:32 Mehwish Thanks 04:32 wasabi http://paste.koha-community.org/12 04:32 wasabi Mehwish: that will do it.. 04:34 Mehwish U mean I add this code in file kk.pl? 04:34 wasabi something like that .... 04:34 Mehwish hmm. 04:34 robin Mehwish: just from the line that starts '#!/usr/bin/perl' 04:35 Mehwish OK I am trying that. 04:58 robin chris: you aroung? 04:58 robin -g+d 05:03 cait good morning #koha 06:24 chris am now robin, but i suspect you have headed home 06:24 robin chris: not quite :) any idea why my local dev install would be trying to fetch assets from library.,org.nz? 06:25 chris it'll be the css in the systempreferences 06:25 chris take a look in the opac tab 06:26 chris and remove the opacmaincss in think it is 06:27 robin chris: seems to be coming from colors.css ... perhaps you committed to the wrong branch at some point? 06:27 chris could be, are you running master? 06:27 robin clientwork 06:28 chris right, id just remove the code in sysprefs to use colors.css 06:28 robin OK 06:28 chris most installs dont use that 06:28 chris and we shoudl git rm it 06:29 robin hmm. It's still trying to use it. 06:29 * robin flushes caches 06:29 chris weird 06:30 robin oh. It's also pulling in home_colors.css 06:30 robin I don't know where from though 06:31 chris ahhh thats definitely a bug that should only be in hlt 06:31 chris its opac-main.pl 06:31 robin OK cool. deleting that made a difference. 06:31 * chris will bbiab kids to bed 06:31 robin kk 07:20 kf good morning #koha 08:04 Ropuch Morning #koka 08:04 Ropuch uh 08:04 Ropuch s/koka/koha 08:04 Ropuch ;> 08:19 chris Ropuch: koka means aunt, or foster mother, or sometimes mother in maori :) 08:24 Ropuch Not that bad, in polsih 'koka' is short version of cocaine 08:24 Ropuch Hello chris [; 08:25 chris hi Ropuch :) 10:46 chris_n g'morning 10:46 chris_n @wunder 28334 10:46 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 23.3�C (6:53 AM EDT on June 28, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.47 in 997.9 hPa (Steady). 11:03 Genji HIYA ALL 11:04 Genji okay, can i use GetMarcItem to create a simple marc record i can add to marcxml, without going through a template? 11:46 druthb howdy, #koha! 11:51 sekjal hi, druthb! 11:52 druthb sekjal, it was nice meeting you on the exhibit floor on Saturday. :) 11:52 sekjal druthb: likewise 12:08 sekjal time to head out to the conference! hope to be back on soon. 12:09 druthb Hi, owen! 12:09 owen Hi druthb! 12:10 * owen is jealous of his virtual friends meeting in meatspace 12:10 druthb hee hee. Shoulda snuck off to ALA. :) 12:11 owen I'd have had to sneak some money to pay for a non-member ticket too 12:11 druthb well, yah. 12:11 owen Non-members have to wear a special beanie too don't they? 12:12 druthb yep. for librarians, it's a beanie with a little book on top; for us geeks, it has a propeller. 12:35 owen Hi nengard 12:36 nengard hiya 12:36 druthb ssshh...owen, we gotta quit talking about her now; she's here! 12:36 nengard grrr 12:36 nengard found me a free wifi in the exhibit floor!! 12:36 nengard chris_n around? 12:36 druthb w00t! 12:40 * druthb hands nengard a Sharpie. 12:43 nengard .... i'm not sure why... 12:44 nengard druthb why do i need a sharpie? 12:44 druthb I suggest writing on his forehead, since he's not here. 12:45 * druthb may do that to gmcharlt shortly--plenty of room there. 12:46 nengard oooo 12:46 druthb See? I don't *just* pick on you. You just got an extra dose since we were in-person, and it was your birthday. 12:47 nengard ah - so birthday girls get picked on??? that's not what I was told :) 12:48 druthb birthday girls get it *extra*; 12:51 owen Oh, nengard I owe you a happy birthday! Happy birthday! Belatedly :) 12:51 nengard thank you :) 12:51 nengard had me a birthday s'more last night: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/4740747022/ 12:52 nengard well I shared it with 2 others - but still 12:52 hdl happy birthday nengard 12:52 nengard thanks 12:53 * collum finds yesterdays' Dilbert especially funny. http://bit.ly/at6PMu 12:53 collum Happy Birthday nengard 12:55 * druthb agrees with collum. 12:56 druthb thanks for sharing the birthday muffin with me, nengard. It was tasty. 12:56 nengard no prob!! 13:01 owen I wonder if anyone is working on Bug 4438? 13:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4438 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, incorrect "Budget total exceeds period allocation" error when editing fund 13:06 chris_n heya nengard, happy birthday 13:06 nengard thanks 13:11 jcamins Happy birthday, nengard, and hello, #koha 13:12 nengard thanks 13:13 * druthb takes the Sharpie from nengard, and hides it. noooooo, chris_n, neither of us had *anything* to do with the writing on your forehead...nope. 13:14 owen Why does a fund show up as locked on the budget planning page? 13:14 owen I see: $budget_lock = 1 if $borrower_id != $budget->{'budget_owner_id'}; 13:14 owen ...but I'm the budget owner 13:14 owen I see: $budget_lock = 1 if $borrower_branchcode ne $budget->{budget_branchcode}; 13:15 owen I wonder if that means a budget with no branch specified is always locked? 13:15 druthb Probably, yeah, unless a borrower had no branchcode, also. 13:16 * chris_n concurs 13:16 chris_n with the budget question that is 13:17 druthb @eightball Catch up, maybe? 13:17 munin druthb: About as likely as pigs flying. 13:17 druthb That's what I thought. 13:17 * druthb gets out the pig-a-pult. 13:19 owen The problem was all my funds were locked at the budget level by a lock on the budget 13:21 owen Hmmm... A different indicator for "Locked" based on the reason for the lock? 13:22 * chris_n finds that most of his funds are locked at all levels regardless of how hard he tries to access them ;-) 13:26 chris_n bbl 13:31 * druthb waves to sekjal 13:31 * sekjal waves back to druthb 13:32 sekjal getting myself warmed up for the KUDOS meeting in a little less than 2 hours 13:32 druthb I have a slightly-used set of body armor, sekjal, just in case you need to borrow it. 13:33 sekjal I'm more worried about the peace being kept in the session afterwards 13:33 sekjal Open Source: Free Beer, or Free Puppy? 13:33 sekjal oh, and there's a puppy now! 13:33 * druthb is glad she's not at that one. 13:34 sekjal wondering if it'll be as fiery as it looks stacked to be: Marshall Breeding, Karen Schneider and Stephen Abram, with Roy Tennant moderating 13:35 druthb Sounds like a planned hypergolic mixture. 13:36 sekjal hope I have wifi this afternoon; would be nice to tweet on a larger keyboard 13:36 * druthb thinks right off the bat you're in for a wild session--when the title is a false dichotomy... 13:37 sekjal I think that's what the planners are hoping 13:37 owen Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk. 13:37 druthb maybe we oughta take lessons in Evil from the conference planners. That takes some talent. 13:37 sekjal mwahahahaa! 13:37 sekjal I've already got the laugh down 13:38 druthb @quote add <owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk. 13:38 munin druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 13:38 sekjal and when I get really stressed out my left eyebrow turns partially white 13:39 jcamins Where did the free puppy come from? Wasn't it a free kitten six months ago? 13:39 druthb @quote add <owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk. 13:39 munin druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #81 added. 13:40 druthb @quote random 13:40 munin druthb: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 09:55 PM, June 11, 2009) 13:41 druthb @quote random 13:41 munin druthb: Quote #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made it my aim in life not to learn js or html" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009) 14:08 kf hi all 14:08 kmkale hi all good evening 14:10 tomascohe hi all, 'im having a weird error message can't figure out where to start looking 14:10 tomascohe [error] search.pl: /usr/share/koha_ffyh/intranet/cgi-bin/cae/koha_ffyh/lib/C4/XSLT.pm line 168., referer: http://ffyh.biblioadmin.unc.edu.ar/ 14:11 tomascohe it happens in addbooks.pl too 14:12 druthb hi, kmkale and kf! 14:12 kmkale hey druthb 14:12 owen tomascohe: Are there any more related errors? 14:13 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:13 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 29.0�C (4:00 PM CEST on June 28, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 14:13 tomascohe nope 14:13 tomascohe it looks like its only a warn sentence in XSLT.pm 14:14 tomascohe if we're not using an URL for the xsl file, the code triggers "warn getCwd"; 14:17 owen hdl, do you have any advice for tomascohe ? 14:19 owen gmcharlt around? 14:19 hdl owen: I am here. 14:19 owen Hi hdl, tomascohe has a question about XSLT.pm which I think relates to a change you made 14:20 hdl tomascohe: which version are you using. 14:20 hdl On community/master I donot see any warn getCwd issued 14:21 hdl owen: the changes I proposed were not pushed iirc. 14:21 * owen saw it in 3.0.x on gitweb 14:23 hdl on 3.0.x yes. 14:23 hdl But not on master 14:25 hdl tomascohe: this is an unconditional warn. 14:26 hdl on line 168 of C4/XSLT.pm 14:26 hdl can be safely removed 14:29 tomascohe hdl: 3.0.6 14:30 hdl Saw that. 14:30 owen It's too bad Bugzilla can't track when a patch has been pushed 14:30 tomascohe it looks safe to remove 14:31 tomascohe but i'd like to know if it would be better that we don't get into that code every time 14:31 tomascohe don't we have the xslt parameter in a variable? 14:32 hdl tomascohe: you can set all XSLT variables to '' and you won't use XSLTs 14:33 kf owen: perhaps you could make git send an email to bugzilla? 14:33 owen kf: I'm not sure how we'd indicate it in Bugzilla.... another priority setting for "patch-pushed?" 14:35 kf perhaps just an update like galen does now: patch pushed, plz test and close 14:35 tomascohe hdl: of course, what i meant is that every time an xsl file is requested we do a lot of parsing on 14:35 tomascohe the xsl filename 14:35 hdl owen: git-bz can help you ;) 14:36 kf owen: not sure git can send emails, but it would perhaps makes things a bit easier, needs a correct bug number in submit messages 14:37 tomascohe which at first sight, cuold be in (some way) in C4::Context 14:46 sekjal kf: there is git send-email as a function, and you can also add hooks to run arbitrary scripts before or after certain events, like commits 14:47 sekjal and with that, time to get ready for KUDOS. Hope to have connection so I can report the proceedings. Cheers! 14:47 kf sekjal: cool 14:52 hdl tomascohe: you can set all XSLT variables to '' and you won't use XSLTs 14:53 kf bye all, bbl 14:54 tomascohe hdl: i watn to use xslt's, just saying the code looks inneficient, with a los of innecesary i/o for just showing results or biblios 14:56 hdl tomascohe: the parser is stored in a HASH. So parsing XSLT should be done only for the first result 15:00 tomascohe hdl: ok, if i leave the 'warn' i see an error message for each search i do 15:01 tomascohe i'll look at it and if i find something interesting will come back with this 15:01 tomascohe thank 15:01 tomascohe s 15:03 hdl tomascohe: you're welcome. 15:03 hdl tomascohe: I will remove the warning. 15:10 * druthb velcroes sekjal down 15:23 nengard sekjal is at the Kudos meeting now 15:24 sekjal yup, free wifi here, so I'm on my full keyboard 15:38 gmcharlt good afternoon 15:40 druthb Hi, gmcharlt and cait! :) 15:40 gmcharlt hi druthb :) 15:40 cait hi #koha and druthb :) 15:42 owen sekjal: Say hi to Kudos for me 15:49 sekjal owen: sure thing 16:11 cait owen++ 16:13 chris_n owen gets the "kitten of the day" award (so far) :) 16:15 owen Thanks. Lots of "patch sent" bug reports needing follow-up! 16:23 owen How can I find information in git about a file that has been removed? 16:27 collum owen: git ls-files -d 16:28 collum According to http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-ls-files.html 16:28 druthb collum++ 16:28 druthb @karma collum 16:28 munin druthb: Karma for "collum" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 16:29 druthb @karma 16:29 munin druthb: Highest karma: "chris" (149), "gmcharlt" (149), and "owen" (117). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25). 16:31 owen I get no output from that at all. Does that only work with files removed from your branch? 16:39 chris_n owen: I'd bet so 16:39 * owen wonders why 'git status' wouldn't suffice... Perhaps he manages too few files in one go 16:43 * collum is looking at git commands and is amazed by the number of commands 16:52 owen There are unfixed issues in the RFC comments, but I'm tempted to mark Bug 3929 as fixed since the basics are in place 16:52 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, parameters in guided reports 16:52 owen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Guided_reports_RFC 17:05 gmcharlt @quote random 17:05 munin gmcharlt: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 09:14 AM, September 01, 2009) 17:05 chris_n lol 17:11 sekjal KUDOS meeting wrapped and tweeted. On to the Ultimate Debate (with leftover food) 17:12 sekjal may lose WiFi for a couple minutes... 17:47 sekjal twitter has crunched down on search results for the conference IP... ugh 17:52 owen-away sekjal: PTFS is considering turning over koha.org to KUDOS? 17:55 sekjal owen: it was talked about at KUDOS, yes 17:55 chris looks like a slap in the face to HLT and the people who voted for hlt to hold community property to me 17:55 * owen agrees 17:55 owen No to mention a slap in the face of every non-US Koha enthusiast 17:56 sekjal having koha.org in the hands of a non-profit users group would be better than nothing, but it should point to the world site. period 17:56 sekjal KUDOS needs a website. kudos.org is available.... but some folks want to leverage the SEO of koha.org, rather than letting it rot 17:57 chris i can only see that as driving a wedge into the community 17:57 chris unless yes it was pointed to the world site 17:57 sekjal agreed 17:59 wizzyrea well 17:59 chris if the domain was in control of the community, kudos.koha-community.org and kudos.koha.org could both work, and point to kudos.org 17:59 chris kudos.koha-community.org can work right now if desired 17:59 wizzyrea if they turned it over to kudos, kudos could turn it over to koha-community :P 18:00 sekjal no promises could be made about such a turnover, whether KUDOS would 'own' koha.org' outright, or if PTFS would retain control, and give license to KUDOS to maintain the site 18:00 owen "Could." 18:00 tomascohe has anyone seen sthing like this? http://ffyh2.biblioadmin.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=journal 18:00 wizzyrea ah, that requires a login 18:01 tomascohe oops 18:02 sekjal KUDOS is not Koha. koha.org should not be the KUDOS site. that's what links are for 18:02 chris im with you 18:02 sekjal there, I've definitely stated my position 18:02 chris :) 18:02 sekjal for whatever it's worth 18:03 tomascohe wizzyrea: my mistake, here goes http://ffyh2.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=journal 18:04 chris doesnt work for me tomascohe 18:04 wizzyrea me either :( 18:04 owen "production mode - trapped fatal error" Is that the point? 18:04 owen I've seen that error many times 18:04 chris i get a dns one 18:05 tomascohe i'm trying to show an error 18:05 wizzyrea I get a DNS one as well 18:05 tomascohe if you search borges everything works fine 18:05 tomascohe its just some words 18:06 tomascohe philosophy, journal, etc 18:06 tomascohe please try this opac instead, its the same problem 18:06 tomascohe http://ffyh.biblio.unc.edu.ar 18:07 chris what does the apache error log tell you? 18:07 tomascohe opac-search.pl: Wide character in subroutine entry at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96 18:07 chris looks like the record has some bad characters in it 18:08 tomascohe the problem (in my side) is that it is not refereed to A record 18:08 tomascohe its a problem with a generic zebra search 18:08 owen Perhaps a problem with the XSLT parsing of the search results? 18:08 tomascohe should i look for coding problems in ALL the records? 18:09 chris well its not all, as borges works 18:09 chris but its definitely som 18:09 chris e 18:09 owen One bad record throwing off the parsing of the XML in the result set? 18:09 chris at least one record in the search results will break it 18:09 chris yeah 18:09 chris tomascohe: do you have display results using XSLT turned on? 18:10 tomascohe yes, i'm turning it off 18:10 chris yeah try that, it might help us spot the bad record 18:10 tomascohe you where right, it worked 18:11 tomascohe should ? look for the problem in the first results list records? 18:12 chris i think so 18:13 chris we should also fix it so a bad record doesnt kill everything 18:13 tomascohe thanks, i'll try to figure how to check it algorithmically in the databse 18:13 chris cos thats just lame 18:13 chris tomascohe: you could export the marc 18:13 tomascohe chris: thats a good idea 18:14 chris then run marcdump or marclint on it 18:14 * owen recalls ranting about that recently 18:14 chris might help you find it 18:14 tomascohe thanks again 18:14 chris no problem 18:14 chris good luck finding it 18:14 chris owen: is there a bug on it do you know? 18:15 chris this early morning help is brought to by chris' stomach bug 18:15 owen :( 18:16 chris getting better i thnk, i feel better than yesterday, not 100% yet tho 18:16 owen Nothing relevant to the general issue turns up in a search of Bugzilla for "trapped" 18:16 sekjal out of battery. chris, feel even better, #koha, take care! hope to be back on soon 18:16 chris definitely something we want to fix in future 18:16 chris we should skip the record in the opac 18:17 chris and do a big red warning in the staff side 18:17 chris imho 18:17 cait get well chris 18:17 wizzyrea ^^ 18:17 wizzyrea agreed 18:19 owen "the general issue" I refer to is the fact that if debug level is 0 you get a blank page with "production mode - trapped fatal error" 18:20 owen Why does such an error not trigger a page like we get for a 404 or 500 error? 18:22 chris yeah 18:23 chris but i think that a 500 is bad in that case too 18:23 chris we shouldnt explode cos one record is bad 18:23 chris we should show the other 19 18:23 chris and warn the librarian one is bad 18:24 wizzyrea so one bad character in one bad field causes it to puke? 18:24 wizzyrea this comes from the index? 18:24 wizzyrea (I'm still trying to understand) 18:24 chris its from parsing the xml using xslt 18:24 chris in this case 18:45 owen chris, can you elaborate on "run marcdump or marclint on it?" 18:46 chris if you export the marc 18:46 chris then run marcdump on it 18:47 chris it should explode when it gets to the bad character, or at least tell you it saw one 18:47 chris you may have to install marclint 18:47 chris apt-get install libmarc-lint-perl 18:47 chris it looks through your records and finds mistakes 18:51 chris so 18:51 chris marclint marc_file_name | less 18:51 chris or something similair 18:54 owen Trying to export one of my problem records gives me a 0-byte file 18:54 chris ahh thats unhelpful 18:54 chris bbiab 19:19 owen gmcharlt? 20:25 richard hi 20:59 robin chris: so, there's a new Debian package policy version out, which I think gives me an excuse to make myself the maintainer of larsw's packages. 21:00 larsw yay 21:08 cait bye all 21:32 chris sweet :) 21:32 gmcharlt robin++ 21:32 gmcharlt larsw++ 21:38 * robin wishes he had the time to rewrite the auth system - is currently very hard to make changes to :( 21:42 chris it can go on the list for 3.4 21:43 robin chris: what gets stored in the session? It looks like it's a bunch of information about the user, I assume that's used to reduce db lookups? 21:44 robin ohh. I can have a session without a cookie if httpauth is being used - it just ties the session to the userid, that could work. 21:44 chris yup 21:45 robin It looks like the httpauth stuff was written a long time ago, and kina forgotten about, it doesn't really work just yet :) 21:45 chris yep thats exactly what happened 22:05 pianohack morning all 22:05 pianohack also, chris: around? 22:06 chris semi 22:10 pianohack ah 22:10 pianohack chris: so maybe not the best time to go into your reasons for not liking apple? 22:15 chris heh 22:15 chris its pretty much all ethical 22:15 chris with some practical thrown in as well 22:16 pianohack okay 22:16 chris i don't like their drm and lock in practices, i dont like the patent threats steve jobs makes, i don't like the working conditions of the people who make their products 22:17 pianohack so drm, patents and foxconn 22:18 chris proprietary code too, but that goes without saying :) 22:18 pianohack Yes, those things suck, but are they objectively much worse than the rest of the computer _hardware_ industry? 22:18 chris (theres more than just foxconn too im afraid) 22:18 larsw but, but, ... shiny! or dull! white! or black! metal! dull shiny aluminium metal! brushed! how can you you not want to give all your money to them! 22:19 chris if you were gonna buy it, reformat and put linux on, then nope, but you are buying their software .. and that is much worse than a lot of the software industry :) 22:19 chris also, objective measures don't exist in an ethical sphere :) 22:19 pianohack well, no 22:20 pianohack I think I've been reading too much english class material, throwin' in adverbs for the hell of it 22:20 pianohack but anyway 22:21 chris hehe 22:21 pianohack Hmm. I wonder how far up the chain I could get with the a "Mac OS X tax" argument for a refund? 22:21 pianohack Don't know if anyone's tried 22:21 chris i think about no where at all 22:21 chris frankly i dont think the hardware is good enough to justify the price, without OS X 22:22 chris thats just my opinion though 22:22 pianohack Even if you're going for, say, the entry level macbook as opposed to the macbook pro, which costs more than some used cars I've seen? 22:23 chris whats an entry level macbook cost these days? 22:23 pianohack (not _great_ used cars, but still) 22:24 chris :) 22:24 chris heya druthb :) 22:24 druthb hi, chris! :D 22:24 chris all conferenced out? 22:24 druthb Very much so, yes. 22:26 * sekjal is already outta DC 22:26 druthb The convention center is three loooong blocks long by two wide...huge place. 22:26 chris crazy 22:26 pianohack chris: $950 for us lucky college entrants ;) 22:26 chris sekjal: on the bus home? 22:27 sekjal chris: train to Baltimore. my best friend gets married next weekend 22:27 larsw pianohack, which country's dollars? 22:27 chris sekjal: oooh cool 22:27 pianohack larsw: USD. Just out of curiosity, where are you from? 22:27 larsw entry level macbook in nz is nzd 1749 in the apple shop 22:27 druthb sekjal, that's a nice little ride---40 minutes or so, and cheap-cheap. I go to baltimore n back fairly often. 22:28 larsw pianohack, currently in NZ, born in Finlnad 22:28 larsw Finlnad -- the land of a thousand typos 22:28 pianohack Oh, wow, that's a 25% export premium over the us 22:28 pianohack larsw: See, but I think it's still preferable to minnesota 22:28 sekjal druthb: yup, I'm about 10 minutes away. nice to have outlets to recharge my devices. all the sessions today drained them dry 22:29 druthb yep. 22:29 druthb you on northeast regional, or acela? 22:30 sekjal druthb: northeast regional 22:31 druthb *nod* That's what I usually ride, too. 22:31 druthb I was gonna take acela to Boston for midwinter, then ended up not going. 22:32 sekjal next one is in San Diego, right? that'd be a wicked long ride 22:33 sekjal alright, pulling into the station. got to bounce yet again. 22:33 * sekjal unsticks velcro 22:33 chris prolly cost more than a macbook 23:41 moodaepo @wunder 56001 23:41 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 21.9�C (6:49 PM CDT on June 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 28.96 in 980.6 hPa (Falling). 23:41 chris cool anthony mao from taiwan confirms he is coming and can present, only 2 outstanding now 23:42 * moodaepo sees pianohack dissing Minnesota 23:42 chris he 23:42 chris h 23:42 moodaepo chris: nice. 23:52 pianohack moodaepo: Only to tie in with larsw's joke ;) 23:54 custard hello #koha,