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23:52 mle well its not gonna be AD
23:51 mle ty
23:51 mle hehe
23:51 chris i havent done any saml stuff myself, so your guess is as good as mine
23:51 mle tips?
23:51 chris cool
23:51 mle looking into which directory to deploy
23:50 mle got some SAML training last week even
23:50 mle got some SMAL training last week
23:50 mle : )
23:50 chris not bad, and you?
23:49 mle hey chris. hows tricks?
23:06 magnus g'night #koha
23:03 magnus yeah, and neither is the North Cape, just some 16 hours by car ;-)
22:58 larsw barely five minutes by foot!
22:58 larsw NZ is not far away at all
22:54 magnus it's just that there seemed to be some reactions of that kind to having kohacon in nz... ;-)
22:51 magnus robin: i know!
22:48 robin magnus: nz isn't remote anyway. It's just that many people decide to live stupidly large distances away :)
22:47 chris heh
22:47 magnus it would make nz seem a *lot* less remote... ;-)
22:47 chris definitely
22:46 magnus we should have kohacon up here some time, in the middle of summer
22:46 magnus sure is!
22:45 chris that would be something special to see
22:44 magnus nights like these make the whole above-the-polar-circle-malarky worth wile...
22:42 chris :)
22:42 * magnus has been grumbling a bit about the weather and just wants to put the record straight by pointing out that he now has a livingroom full of sunlight, at 45 minutes past midnight!
22:15 chris nice song for friday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0vDU-L2qcA&a
21:59 chris cya sekjal
21:59 sekjal cheers, all!
21:59 sekjal alright, pulling into New Haven, with all of 13% battery remaining. hope to be back on later today or tomorrow.
21:59 chris sweet
21:58 sekjal she got to spend a semester in Australia, but had to skip the week in NZ... so now we can make it up together!
21:58 chris awesome! i think quite a few ppl are doing that
21:56 sekjal I've also got to get tickets for my wife, who will be joining me after the conference for a little vacation time
21:55 chris :)
21:55 sekjal yeah, it does set a bit of a high (or rather, low) standard
21:55 chris :) the deal nengard got was pretty sweet
21:55 sekjal keep hoping I'll magically catch some sweet deal
21:55 sekjal chris; not yet... I really need to get on that
21:54 chris your flights to nz booked? virgin australia has usb for charging
21:53 chris :)
21:53 sekjal ah, well, I can still design even if I can't actually code
21:53 sekjal yeah
21:51 chris ahh bummer
21:50 sekjal I'm very happy the bus has WiFi, but unfortunately it doesn't have power.... my battery will be giving in shortly
21:47 pianohack now that my brendan harassment has been delegated to munin
21:47 sekjal and hello to you
21:47 pianohack also, hello
21:47 pianohack cool
21:47 sekjal np, pianohack. On my way to ALA, myself
21:46 pianohack thanks ian
21:46 pianohack cool
21:46 sekjal brendan_o is his office bot
21:46 jdavidb hi, chris.
21:45 pianohack k
21:45 chris hi jdavidb
21:45 chris pianohack: i think he is on his way, or is at ALA and yes those are both him :)
21:45 pianohack brendan|h or brendan_o: are either of you brendan gallagher, and are you around?
21:41 cait good night all
21:41 sekjal I suppose... but convenience!
21:41 gmcharlt right, but you don't have to reindex bibs and authorities in the same run
21:40 sekjal but you can't combine -a and -x with rebuild_zebra.pl
21:40 gmcharlt sekjal: right, and it does that anyway with the -x option - the DOM filter isn't required to index MARCXML documents using the GRS-1 indexing config
21:32 sekjal getting past that would get us around the ISO 2709 file size limit bug, wouldn't it? since MARCXML has no such limitation
21:31 sekjal there is still the issue of combining DOM and XML export (resulting in no root element), but that seems like it's achievable
21:29 chris definitely
21:29 gmcharlt so that we're not making users have to update the XSLT templates directly
21:28 gmcharlt however, if we make a go of it, I think we should do it by putting up a frontend for storing and maintaining indexing definitions
21:28 sekjal was just reading the code for rebuild_zebra.pl
21:28 sekjal okay, cool
21:28 sekjal oh, hi, gmcharlt
21:28 gmcharlt sekjal: it just that it hasn't been done yet
21:27 sekjal ah okay. I'll ask him this weekend, if I get the chance
21:27 chris there might be something to do with other language support, im not sure gmcharlt would know
21:27 chris i think it just hasnt been done yet
21:27 sekjal is it a technical difficulty I haven't found yet?
21:26 sekjal chris: do you (or anyone else in channel) know why we have DOM filtering for Zebra authorities and not for Zebra biblios?
21:25 chris ahh
21:24 sekjal most of the way to New Haven, CT
21:24 sekjal chris: on the bus just yet
21:24 chris hi sekjal, in DC now?
20:49 chris cool another speaker confirmation
20:42 richard hi
20:42 larsw I am having one as well :)
20:41 chris hey there larsw ... it is actually quite a pleasant morning :)
20:40 larsw gooooood morning
20:35 chris back
19:45 chris bus time
19:42 cait :)
19:40 chris oh cool some more nz librarians registered last night
19:39 chris you can play some nz music in your office :)
19:39 cait :)
19:38 cait yes I did
19:38 chris cait: did you see the nz pop culture page ?
19:26 chris :)
19:19 cait and perhaps a bit longer to remind me about kohacon
19:18 cait but will keep the nz flag in my office until the wc is over
19:16 chris heh yeah
19:15 cait but I will loose my bet :)
19:15 cait no not bad
19:14 chris yeah, not bad for the only team with amateurs in it :)
19:13 cait chris: you go unbeaten :(
19:09 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/fifa-world-cup/all-whites/3852415/Pride-and-tears-end-wild-ride
19:07 chris and it does mean i dont need to keep getting up at 2am
19:06 chris otoh, we do end up with more points than the defending world champs .. so thats ok :)
19:06 chris a
19:06 chris but stupid italy lost to slovaki
19:06 chris we managed to draw 0-0 with paraguay, so nz goes threw the world cup unbeaten
19:06 chris_n that's not good this early in your morning
19:05 jwagner morning, chris
19:05 * chris is tired
19:05 owen Hi chris
19:05 chris_n heya
19:05 chris morning
19:05 * chris_n thanks jwagner for the vote of confidence
19:04 jwagner chris_n, if it were _easy_ they wouldn't need people of your ability to do it :-)
19:04 * owen does his best to avoid network administration, bolstered by healthy levels of ignorance
19:03 wizzyrea_ chris_n: I can so relate
19:03 chris_n run fast :)
19:03 jdavidb I'm off to catch the bus, y'all.
19:03 chris_n why can't network administration be easy?
19:03 chris_n *sigh*
19:00 jwagner reading back, jdavidb will never catch me in karma!
18:50 cait I think it might be confusing for patrons (thought about hiding it with jQuery)
18:49 cait I wondered what the pull down is good for
18:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4830 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, item type on purchase suggestion not carried over
18:49 owen Hm, I guess that's Bug 4830
18:48 owen What complicates things is that my submission form doesn't actually show item types, it shows collection codes.
18:48 owen Can anyone confirm something for me? In my up-to-date install of HEAD when I submit a suggestion with an item type the item type information is not saved to the suggestions table
18:46 owen karma party for the next person to fix a bug older than one year. I'll bring the pluses.
18:33 * cait whispers jdavidb++
18:33 munin cait: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 34 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 34.
18:33 cait @karma jwagner
18:33 munin cait: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 31 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 31.
18:33 cait @karma jdavidb
18:33 collum jdavidb++ :)
18:32 jdavidb ooo...couple more, and I might actually catch jwagner!
18:31 cait jdavidb++
18:30 jdavidb Aww! thanx!
18:29 wizzyrea_ jdavidb++ just because
18:29 jdavidb o.O
18:29 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (149), "gmcharlt" (149), and "owen" (115). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25). You (jdavidb) are ranked 14 out of 875.
18:29 jdavidb @karma
18:29 jdavidb gmcharlt++
18:29 munin New commit(s) kohagit: (MT2371) basket.tmpl, in basket details, change Open on => Opened on <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0233c4f336ee96bba03f43d520a0326bb608504> / (BUG #4356) Basket.pl: adding a link to the basketgroup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e44fc909ef930cf72b2cc93b1e557af238f29a52> / (BUG #4521) aqbudgets.pl - Transform undefined budget spent value to 0.00 value <http
18:19 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Select in budget add forum <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7233544f8b5cc8b9e17bdda12cd30306fd744542> / Bug 4905 Runtime errors in about.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a1191bb3f7b715006aa289d85692e569359fd74>
18:17 gmcharlt hi cait
18:17 cait hi gmcharlt
18:16 gmcharlt ah, there you are
18:16 munin gmcharlt: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
18:16 gmcharlt munin, you slacker
17:20 zico it shows *Total 0* for every position like Acquisition, Circulation, Patron...
17:20 zico our koha - 3.0.5 cannot generate any report if we go for "Statistics Wizard"
17:19 zico i need it badly
17:19 zico but... i haven`t get any help...can anyone please help me regarding "Report Generation Wizard"? :(
17:19 zico as i mailed in the mailing list
17:18 zico how are you everybody?
17:18 zico hi all
17:08 munin cait: *click*
17:08 cait @roulette
17:03 jdavidb all better... :)
17:03 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
17:03 jdavidb @roulette
17:03 munin cait: *click*
17:03 cait @roulette
17:03 munin jdavidb: *click*
17:03 jdavidb @roulette
17:02 jdavidb Hi, cait! :)
17:02 cait hey, 30 :)
17:02 munin cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14.
17:02 cait @karma cait
17:02 munin cait: Karma for "kf" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16.
17:02 cait @karma kf
17:02 cait hi jdavidb
16:59 jdavidb Din't think so.
16:59 munin jdavidb: NO!
16:59 jdavidb @eightball is it possible for me to catch up with stuff before the weekend?
16:58 jdavidb nope.
16:55 jwagner I can't go get a bite of lunch without karma wars breaking out again?
16:54 munin jdavidb: Karma for "cfouts" has been increased 10 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 10.
16:54 jdavidb @karma cfouts
16:53 * jdavidb chuckles.
16:53 munin jdavidb: Karma for "kados" has been increased 16 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 14.
16:53 jdavidb @karma kados
16:53 jdavidb A redesign of the OPAC--right in your wheelhouse, owen--would put you right in there with 'em.
16:52 owen gmcharlt and chris are neck-and-neck. They should spend more time ingratiating themselves with us.
16:52 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 34 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 34.
16:52 jdavidb @karma jwagner
16:51 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (149), "gmcharlt" (148), and "owen" (116). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25). You (jdavidb) are ranked 14 out of 874.
16:51 jdavidb @karma
16:51 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
16:51 jdavidb @karma jdavidb
16:20 jwagner joetho, something for the "cherrypick into Koha" list?
16:19 joetho the goblin newbie zone has a quest where you feed monkeys explosive bananas and fight a giant mechanical chicken!
16:17 cait hi #koha
16:01 NickyNick Yep
16:01 wizzyrea are you running the jobs as the koha user?
16:00 NickyNick Anyone know why I would get this error when starting Zebrasrv even though Koha user has full right to the zebradb directory? - lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [Permission denied]
15:55 jwagner I was hoping, if someone has done it successfully, then their own web developers could look at such a site and do their own mods to opac.css. Doesn't sound hopeful, though.
15:54 * chris_n thinks it could also be driven by the $$$/year they represent even if there is no liquid $$$ atm :-P
15:54 jwagner Yes, I've been trying to tactfully make that point to them. There's the standard OPAC customization I do, and then there's Other Stuff. This falls in the Other Stuff category.
15:54 chris_n lol wizzyrea
15:52 owen It doesn't sound like they're in a position to ask for much then :P
15:52 * wizzyrea runs and hides
15:52 wizzyrea then, ehm, beggars can't be choosers?
15:51 jwagner hdl, thanks. It sounds like it would still require some development, correct? This library has no extra money to spend building anything.
15:47 hdl just require adequate xslt
15:46 hdl wizzyrea: jwagner I was just saying that you could embed your search and patron accounts using ILSDI and SRU/SRW research. It was better intgrated than a simple iframe.
15:46 wizzyrea hee
15:46 chris_n now for a momentary diversion: "History is written by the winners, and failing that by the people who keep the best backups"
15:45 wizzyrea I meant to tell you sooner (i.e. apologize)
15:44 wizzyrea and a couple of them were for 3.4 (which is where I got 2)
15:44 wizzyrea oh and jane... I was wrong, on the day of our talk there were 11 blockers
15:44 jdavidb putting a perfectly good web page in a frame is like putting a 6 year old behind the wheel of your new Lexus...sure, you could, but why would you want to?
15:44 wizzyrea ha
15:43 jwagner Because the Powers That Be _Say So_ -- no rational reason....
15:42 wizzyrea I won't even ask why it has to go in a frame
15:42 jwagner Dunno about that one. I've suggested to the librarian that he put a placeholder page with a search box as something to go into the frame, then let it link & open the OPAC in a new window, but he thinks they won't go for that. Sigh....
15:40 wizzyrea (because I didn't know what it was)
15:39 wizzyrea http://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS/tree/harley/C4/ILSDI, and http://www.diglib.org/architectures/ilsdi/
15:38 jwagner Not without major development $$$, we don't....
15:38 wizzyrea or maybe not
15:38 wizzyrea I think he's saying basically rebuild an all new OPAC that fits in your new theme
15:37 jwagner hdl, I don't have a clue what you're saying :-( I think you're beyond my level....
15:37 hdl able to display the data the way they want.
15:36 hdl Then ppl could be z
15:36 wizzyrea web design by committee makes me cry
15:36 wizzyrea oh god
15:36 hdl jwagner: you could use ILSDI and zebra to send direct data to the site.
15:36 jwagner Two non-web developers trying to interpret web design. Oh The Humanity!
15:36 jwagner Yep, I already have the colors/images to match the main site. The new main site isn't available where I can see it yet, though, to see what they're trying to do. the librarian is trying to explain it to me.
15:36 wizzyrea same with login boxes
15:36 wizzyrea don't forget that you can lift out that koha search box and put it on *any* web page
15:35 wizzyrea jwagner
15:35 wizzyrea and
15:35 wizzyrea that's probably another one on jwagner's list >.>
15:34 wizzyrea it can be done that the *theme* is preserved
15:34 owen Of course since then they redesigned their main page: http://www.nyackcollege.edu/ *sigh*
15:34 wizzyrea so I mean
15:34 wizzyrea http://www.library.org.nz
15:34 wizzyrea HLT too
15:34 owen Compare to http://www.nyackcollege.edu/library.php
15:34 * owen thought this came off pretty well: http://nyack.waldo.kohalibrary.com/
15:33 wizzyrea into*
15:33 wizzyrea that it's supposed to fit ito
15:33 wizzyrea well I meant the organizational website
15:33 jwagner There's nothing to look at yet -- don't even have a test load done.
15:33 jwagner If they can see someplace where it's more or less working, maybe they can design something similar.
15:32 wizzyrea to what you are looking at?
15:32 wizzyrea do you have clearance to give us a link?
15:32 jwagner wizzyrea, know of a sample site I could look at?
15:32 wizzyrea combined with the side nav
15:32 wizzyrea jwagner: you can do some pretty wicked stuff with the CSS headers to make it look pretty close
15:30 * jwagner sends waves of calming thoughts toward owen -- ommmmmmm
15:30 wizzyrea omg*
15:30 wizzyrea ogm
15:30 * owen Drupal... rage... rising!
15:30 * jwagner hopes this at least diverted owen from his Drupal rage :)
15:28 jwagner And in this case, they sprang a surprise on the library -- new org web site goes live next week, and library isn't due to go live until around 1st of August. There's nothing to put in the frame yet, but the org still wants something. Sigh.
15:28 owen It seems to be a rule of thumb that libraries must be in the middle of a web site redesign when it comes time to implement Koha
15:26 jwagner The main problem is the organization redesigning its web site & demanding that the library fit into the scheme of things :-(
15:24 * jwagner agrees....
15:23 * owen shudders at the thought of any site embedded into a frame on any other site. Period.
15:22 jdavidb sounds like one of our customers who is Never Satisfied, period. Something in the water where they live, I think.
15:21 owen I take it this library isn't satisfied with their customization options?
15:20 jwagner That's not the answer he wanted :-( but it's the answer I was afraid of. Thanks.
15:18 owen Other things just plain won't fit if you try to squeeze them too small. like the search bar with the cart and lists buttons
15:18 owen ...assuming you're talking about something fixed-width
15:17 owen jwagner: The YUI grids CSS controls the page width, so you'd have to go about overriding each page's layout
15:16 jwagner Is there some stylesheet setting that controls page width? Embedding the OPAC as-is is too wide for the frame.
15:16 jwagner Drat :-(
15:15 * owen doesn't
15:15 jwagner Do you (or anyone else) know of a site that's embedded the Koha OPAC into a frame on the main library web page?
15:15 owen jwagner: Ask me a Koha question to calm my Drupal rage
15:14 owen Yes
15:13 jwagner ?
15:13 jwagner owen, online
15:12 wizzyrea heya
14:35 custard Thanks.
14:16 wizzyrea done
14:15 wizzyrea I"ll do it, I already have it done :)
14:15 custard ah. box is window size related. I'll break them into individual wgets.
14:15 amadan any url for MARCEdit?
14:15 wizzyrea (mine is rediculous, but window size is close to 1024x768
14:14 wizzyrea what's the resolution you are working at?
14:14 wizzyrea hm. it's not doing that on mine
14:14 amadan any url?
14:14 custard Tried that. Even on their own they go outside the pretty little box. But the I suppose that's only a but to way outside the box instead of way, way outside the box.
14:14 wizzyrea usually using MARCEdit
14:13 amadan for koha
14:13 amadan how do i convert my catalog from csv into marc?
14:13 amadan wrong question
14:13 amadan can i convert my catalog from csv into marc?
14:11 custard blimy, glad they gave you a way to shorten that url.
14:11 wizzyrea which of course no sysadmin would really do, but it would make it easier to display
14:11 amadan hello folks
14:11 wizzyrea you could just tell people to wget each one separately
14:10 wizzyrea but it will look pretty
14:10 wizzyrea nah that won't work
14:09 kf bye all
14:09 wizzyrea custard: like this? http://screencast.com/t/ZWJmYWQ4Yj
14:05 custard yes.
14:04 wizzyrea dependencies?
14:04 custard about 3/4 of the way down.
14:03 custard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages
13:58 wizzyrea which page are you working on?
13:58 magnus one way i have seen is to have a \ at the end of "artificial" lines
13:58 wizzyrea custard, which page
13:57 magnus not that i know of, i'm afraid...
13:54 custard At the moment I've got it differentiated using the <code></code> markup, but it is not as obvious as I would like. Is there any way of reconciling this?
13:52 custard If the page is useful, this is something that would probably be cut and pasted, so I don't want to put hard breaks into it, but I think it should at least be on the screen.
13:51 custard right. Ludicrously long bit of text (command with web path in it) that I was planning to do as preformatted text. But it goes way, way outside the box.
13:43 magnus custard: shoot!
13:29 custard is there anyone in the room at the moment who could help with a wiki formatting question? (it's for the Koha wiki so somewhat appropriate)
12:55 magnus ok, thanks for answering a lot of questions anyway!
12:54 Kivutar magnus: wont work
12:54 magnus this is on 3.01.00.124
12:54 Kivutar (coffee time)
12:54 magnus does that mean "apply directly" doesn't work either?
12:53 Kivutar maybe it was too late, feature freeze or something like that
12:53 Kivutar too bad, because these patches come with an api rewritte for the offline circulation
12:52 Kivutar arf
12:52 magnus a ha, i can't see it in HEAD...
12:51 Kivutar it is in biblibre/master, i have no idea if it has been integrated to the community 3.2 or future 3.4
12:50 Kivutar magnus: in circulation tools, there is a new page, where you can see the pending operations
12:49 Kivutar apply directly send the operations to koha, and koha apply them
12:49 magnus um, which process is that?
12:49 Kivutar everybody post to koha, then koha order the operations, and someone with the rights launch the process
12:48 Kivutar this is usefull in the case of many people doing offline circulation at the same time
12:48 Kivutar allowinf you to order them by timestamp
12:48 Kivutar magnus: if you commit to koha, the operations are stored in a table of the db
12:47 magnus thanks! and what is the difference between "commit to koha" and "apply directly"?
12:46 Kivutar magnus: without
12:46 magnus ok
12:46 Kivutar yes, but i can't remember if there is the trailing / or not
12:45 magnus so the whole http://demo.bibkat.no:8080/ ?
12:45 Kivutar magnus: the url of your intranet
12:44 magnus Kivutar: what goes in the server field?
12:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3046 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, System ignores MaxFine syspref
12:44 kf Is it ok to close bug 3046? I did alot of fines testing and it think maxfine is working.
12:44 Kivutar magnus: you can ask Kyle Hall about the plugin using koc files
12:44 magnus cool
12:43 magnus hi! oops, i thought it did... i must be confusing it with something else
12:43 Kivutar it posts the data to koha
12:43 Kivutar this plugins don't generate a koc file
12:43 Kivutar magnus: yes
12:40 magnus Kivutar around?
12:39 kf magnus: sorry, never tested it
12:39 magnus does anyone have experience with the koha offline plugin for firefox? i can't seem to make it sync, and i can't find the file to upload...
12:38 * chris_n heads back to OpenLDAP land for the day
12:37 kf hi chris_n
12:37 * chris_n waves toward the north
12:36 jdavidb hi, chris_n. :)
12:36 chris_n g'morning #koha
12:28 jwagner hi kf
12:24 kf thanks gmcharlt_ :)
12:17 jdavidb hi, kf! :D
12:17 kf hi owen, jdavidb and jwagner
12:12 owen Thanks gmcharlt_ !
12:11 owen Well, that cuts down my list of patch-sent branches
12:05 * owen thinks it must be his birthday...a bunch of his patches approved!
12:05 jdavidb hi, owen! :)
11:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit: fix two broken calls to _FixPriority <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=360f985307b5c7acca76cf7dd073503d49e2315b> / bug 3344: display in-transit status on holds priority list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=39c177e3f2d261d559e9fb595ee5fce101178f4d> / bug 4224: explicitly mark hold requests as being handled by item in transit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
11:57 owen Hi #koha
11:42 Amit heya galen, jwagner
11:42 jwagner morning, gmcharlt_ and all
11:40 gmcharlt_ good morning
11:12 jdavidb howdy, #koha!
11:09 custard chris: thanks.
11:00 chris custard: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page
10:53 Ropuch I have a koha dump - database version is 3.0100041
10:53 Ropuch Ok, I'm pretty sure i messed something up
10:52 custard I don't suppose there's a wiki page on how to make/edit pages in the wiki?
10:51 kf lunch, bbl
10:26 chris cool
10:23 magnus i will! hope to figure it out some time next week
10:23 kf magnus: perhaps you can tell once you have decided on a flight?
10:18 magnus yeah, several people have told me as much
10:18 magnus but then, i may just grit my teeth and do it as direct as possible
10:18 chris ahh, stopovers are a nice way to break the trip up
10:17 magnus i'm thinking of maybe stopping over to visit relatives in LA
10:17 magnus would be nice
10:17 chris i wonder if it might be possible to coordinate with kf that you end up on the same flight ? :)
10:17 magnus not really
10:16 chris magnus: do you have any idea which route you will be taking?
10:13 chris yep
10:13 magnus i'm looking forward to hearing about integration of koha and kete, i think walter(?) said he would give a talk on that?
10:11 kf Im sure it will be great
10:09 chris plus the conference programme is shaping up to have some great talks... from librarians all over the world
10:08 chris we have a really good room we can use for hte developer conference, its the training room at work, has projector and laptop stations etc .. and all are welcome :)
10:08 paul kf, you send patches, isn't it ? so you are !
10:08 kf not sure Im a developer
10:08 paul kf not yet, I plan to do that in the next days/weeks
10:08 paul the kohacon is not a "must go", but the hackfest IS for a developper. No doubt !
10:08 kf paul: have you booked your flights to kohacon?
10:07 paul yep, and the hackfest part was really a great great time !
10:07 chris and it was definitely worth it
10:07 * chris flew the 30 hours to get there :-)
10:07 paul s/on/one/*
10:06 paul :D
10:06 paul kf, yes, there will be on in may ...2006
10:06 chris the first kohacon was in france kf
10:06 kf paul: do you have plans for a kohacon in france? ;)
10:06 Ropuch I'm sure it does
10:05 kf yes, but it needs a lot of organisation too
10:05 Ropuch The most scary part is the flight cost ;>
10:05 paul it's definetly worth it ! undoubtfully !
10:04 magnus kf: scary yes, but i think it will be worth it
10:03 paul (& 1800� !)
10:03 paul will stop&go in HongKong probably
10:03 paul kf, yep, 30 hours from Marseille !!!!
10:03 * paul strongly encourage you...
10:02 kf the journey is a bit scary
10:02 kf atm no, but still thinking about it
10:02 paul kf, do you plan to come to kohaCon NZ ?
10:02 chris i wouldnt worry about it :)
10:01 chris its the time of the commit
10:01 kf do I need to resend it?
10:01 kf oh, i forgot to reset the date in my vm after testing... now the patch was sent out on Sat Jul 24 10:37:32 CEST 2010
09:57 kf paul: two options are better than before. but I think acq really needs a bit of work. hope I can get it to print an pdf today.
09:56 magnus chris: someone from dell just contacted me on twitter - the power of public complaints...
09:54 paul kf, yep, but it's not used in acq. It's on our todolist : the display of the money is poor in acq : hardcoded fr or en display :'((((
09:54 kf and hi paul :)
09:53 kf paul: see my bug report 4904, there is a link to chris_n's patch
09:53 paul (hi magnus, kf, chris & al)
09:53 kf its already there
09:53 paul kf, do you plan to introduce Loacale::Currency::format ?
09:52 kf so it should be save to remove the encoding
09:51 kf chris: I looked at the documentation of Locale::Currency::format. i think it returns utf-8 as default
09:51 magnus chris: rather!
09:50 chris kf: unfortunately no, there is not a reliable way to detect encoding
09:50 chris magnus: wow, that really is a fail from dell
09:42 magnus chris: great!
09:39 kf hm I will kill the encode part and send a patch
09:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices
09:32 kf is there a way to check if something is already utf-8?, I'm working on bug 4904, when I comment out $formatted_fine = Encode::encode("utf8", $formatted_fine); its working perfect. Not sure I can just do it or if there needs to be a test for utf-8 or something.
09:30 chris hi kf
09:25 kf morning chris
09:11 chris at least i thought i sent a patch, ill chase it up
09:11 chris i thought that was fixed
08:26 * magnus thinks there is an error in INSTALL.debian and .ubuntu: it says "git clone git://git.koha-community.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone", but should say "git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone"?
08:12 Elwell then realised I was in ~/GIT_Sources/koji/ not ~/GIT_Sources/koha/
08:11 Elwell doh! /dev/coffee fail. 'git pull' wasn't updating
06:51 magnus g'day #koha
06:50 kf hi Ropuch
06:49 Ropuch Morning #kf
06:46 kf good morning #koha
03:23 brendan evening
03:03 Amit heya chris
03:03 Amit good morning #koha
02:54 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4532, Use include file for bibliodefaultview logic <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9c90b6dfb4e5648d9155294e0c911b2de9ecf43>
02:44 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4821, With multiple 5XX fields, the font display gets progressively smaller <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20140de43e4d2402281fe3f621976959cc2edd44> / Partial fix for Bug 4423, Staff Client XSLT is just a copy of the OPAC one <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=884d7099e94ed0e7b95da2e13a60340fd3899196> / More fixes for Bug 4423, Staff Client XSLT is j
02:34 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4869 - Non-staff patrons logging into the OPAC don't have option to place... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=880fd86057fb288e1afb8b18b54ff16e85042c21> / Bug3916 : Batch Modify tool overwrites branches fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4dab23a41fe63855806a5c95d6bf08d23556aa0> / Bug 4474 swap options for sys pref singleBranchMode <http://git.ko
02:14 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4897: Invalid XHTML in opac-userupdate.tmpl. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=89a39cdc21369c8ffc235738ad02f64f25105735>
01:59 chris night chris_n
01:58 robin cya
01:58 wizzyrea_ gnite
01:58 chris_n g'night
01:57 * chris_n heads off to sleep
01:56 wizzyrea_ well that makes sense
01:56 wizzyrea_ AH
01:56 robin yep.
01:56 wizzyrea_ s/guess/guessed
01:56 robin wizzyrea_: no, when Australia has big fires, we sometimes see the results here.
01:56 wizzyrea_ guess I should have guess NZ since you work with chris, right?
01:56 wizzyrea_ oh I thought you said australia
01:56 robin wizzyrea_: in NZ (Wellington)
01:55 wizzyrea_ where in australia?
01:55 wizzyrea_ hehe
01:55 chris_n lol
01:55 robin We just have a lot of wind, so it's got to be quite something before it counts as extreme here. ALso, anything that's likely to blow down in a storm probably blew down already on a normal day :)
01:54 chris_n down bursts are the big problem here
01:54 wizzyrea_ at least, nothing that lives up to our reputation as toto's home
01:53 wizzyrea_ but not so much tornado
01:53 wizzyrea_ we've had lots of big lightning, heavy rain, high wind storms
01:53 wizzyrea_ at least not this year
01:53 wizzyrea_ but not here
01:53 wizzyrea_ and farther north
01:53 wizzyrea_ oklahoma is getting them
01:53 wizzyrea_ you know, it seems like we've had fewer of those this year
01:52 chris_n big thunderstorms in Kansas = big tornados
01:51 robin ah, big thunderstorms are rare here
01:51 wizzyrea_ (big thunderstorms, I swear I thought I was wearing yellow sunglasses)
01:51 wizzyrea_ but in the evening
01:51 wizzyrea_ we had one of those a few days ago
01:51 robin That's quite freaky. (and happens here when there are big fires in Australia)
01:50 robin wizzyrea_: wait until you get up in the morning and the sky is a deep yellow.
01:50 wizzyrea_ the light outside is rose colored... it's quite lovely but it looks a bit weird
01:49 wizzyrea_ lol we are a funny bunch
01:48 munin chris_n: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 09:55 PM, June 11, 2009)
01:48 chris_n @quote random
01:48 wizzyrea_ *giggle
01:48 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 11:05 PM, May 30, 2009)
01:48 wizzyrea_ @quote random
01:48 chris_n heh
01:47 wizzyrea_ LOL
01:47 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:08 PM, November 13, 2009)
01:47 wizzyrea_ @quote random
01:47 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 07:27 PM, October 04, 2009)
01:47 wizzyrea_ @quote random
01:47 robin heh
01:47 wizzyrea_ the idea of a portuguese hitchcock makes me giggle
01:47 gmcharlt_ ;)
01:47 munin gmcharlt_: The operation succeeded. Quote #80 added.
01:47 gmcharlt_ @quote add <robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)
01:46 munin chris_n: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:58 AM, July 10, 2009)
01:46 chris_n @quote random
01:46 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 02:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
01:46 wizzyrea_ @quote random
01:46 robin heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)
01:46 chris_n lol
01:46 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 09:13 AM, June 12, 2009)
01:46 wizzyrea_ @quote random
01:46 munin gmcharlt_: The operation succeeded. Quote #79 added.
01:46 gmcharlt_ @quote add <robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash.
01:46 munin gmcharlt_: The operation succeeded.
01:46 gmcharlt_ @quote remove 78
01:45 wizzyrea_ robin: that's a good one
01:45 robin I just wish you'd fixed my spelling before doing that ;)
01:45 munin gmcharlt_: The operation succeeded. Quote #78 added.
01:45 gmcharlt_ @quote add <robin> drivers make windows crash, therefor windows makes drivers crash.
01:45 chris_n hehe
01:45 gmcharlt_ heh
01:45 robin gmcharlt_: drivers make windows crash, therefor windows makes drivers crash.
01:44 wizzyrea_ I'd imagine the thrown windows were already broken before their fated crash into a car windshield
01:44 wizzyrea_ ba dum bum
01:42 chris_n it would be just my luck that the wrong windows would break
01:41 gmcharlt_ what did those poor drivers ever do to you? inflicting windows on them like that! yike!
01:41 gmcharlt_ !
01:41 * chris_n has threatened to throw a few windows boxes out into the midst of I95 traffic as it is so handily nearby work
01:35 gmcharlt_ reminds me of an instance where a librarian I was doing a migration for threatened to drop the old ILS server off the roof the moment they went live - the hardware maintenance fee was a killer, evidently
01:35 chris heh
01:34 wizzyrea_ >.>
01:34 wizzyrea_ no chris, you can not have my mac to go office space on
01:34 chris_n but suddenly realizes that a better solution would be to recycle it into a ubuntu box
01:34 chris :)
01:34 wizzyrea_ go all office space on it
01:34 wizzyrea_ you can do it
01:33 * chris_n takes aim at his windows box
01:33 pianohack if only
01:33 wizzyrea_ kill windows dead too, while you're at it
01:33 pianohack with a stick
01:33 wizzyrea_ DEAD.
01:33 pianohack and kill it dead
01:33 pianohack (not sure of the name)
01:32 pianohack then find a service related to automatic updates
01:32 pianohack chris_n: Go to control panel -> administrative tools -> services
01:32 chris theres a fix for that
01:31 * chris_n hates the constant whinning of windows to be rebooted after updates
01:30 chris_n :)
01:30 chris_n its hard to beat wizzyrea on the draw
01:30 pianohack nice photo choice
01:30 chris_n my wife used to play lots of tennis and says they must be nearly dead
01:30 chris she beat you by a few hours chris_n :)
01:30 chris 09:07 < wizzyrea> best article ever: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/3848093/Wimbledon-sees-longest-tennis-match-in-history
01:29 wizzyrea_ lol it's crazy
01:29 chris yep
01:29 chris_n yeah
01:29 chris the longest match in history?
01:29 chris_n anybody following tennis at wimbledon?
01:29 pianohack APPLE
01:29 pianohack ...
01:29 wizzyrea_ no, stuff and things silly
01:29 wizzyrea_ har de har
01:29 pianohac1 chris!
01:28 chris all good :)
01:28 chris stuff.co.nz ?
01:28 wizzyrea_ how's stuff
01:28 wizzyrea_ hello
01:27 chris heya wizzyrea_
01:15 mib_ffzoy good night
01:11 mib_ffzoy thank you all for your help!
01:09 mib_ffzoy using the copy number should work just fine, that's about the longest a call number can get
01:07 custard ok, I think I can understand you wanting a nice big field for that then.
01:06 mib_ffzoy let me rephrase, I meant 1X2"
01:05 custard Just being, most of the books I can see at the moment wouldn't cope with a 2" wide spine label without wrapping it round the sides and making it hard to read.
01:04 mib_ffzoy spine
01:04 custard sorry, I'll rephrase. These 2x1" spine labels are going on the back of the book?
01:02 mib_ffzoy just barcodes
01:02 custard and labels on the back of the book?
01:01 mib_ffzoy Courier New
01:00 mib_ffzoy .12 font
01:00 mib_ffzoy comfortably on a 2X1" label
01:00 mib_ffzoy it does fit
00:59 custard out of curiosity, how were you planning of fitting all that on the spine label?
00:59 pianohack Though it is awesome for reports
00:59 pianohack mib_ffzoy: Not necessarily
00:59 mib_ffzoy boy, i guess i'll have to learn SQL soon
00:58 wasabi oooh, 80 chars :)
00:58 wasabi enumchron | varchar(80) | YES | | NULL | |
00:58 mib_ffzoy ah, i saw it
00:58 chris_n http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/sports/tennis/24wimbledon.html
00:57 wasabi http://paste.koha-community.org/10
00:57 pianohack also, hi, mason :)
00:57 pianohack mib_ffzoy: internal name for another item field
00:57 wasabi nah, its a column in the items table
00:56 wasabi yeah, some of those columns could get i ncreased a bit, disk is cheap etc..
00:56 mib_ffzoy enumchron is a system pref?
00:55 mib_ffzoy there are many examples like this, i assumed whatever fit in the field would actually show up but turns out it's only up to 30 characters... thanks for the help, guys!
00:55 wasabi 'Publication Details'
00:54 pianohack It has some other weird name
00:54 pianohack Well, yes, but not as enumchron
00:54 wasabi enum does the same
00:54 pianohack I don't even know what enumchron shows up as in the interface
00:53 pianohack *interface
00:53 pianohack wasabi: also, copy number is visible in the database
00:53 wasabi ahh yes, copy-number is a better place than enumchron :)
00:52 pianohack mib_ffzoy: Is this some massive bib that has, say, an actual book and an accompanying study guide?
00:51 mib_ffzoy i'll use that, you are right
00:51 pianohack like c.2
00:51 pianohack There is also a copy number field for entering copy-specific information
00:50 pianohack mib_ffzoy: What is the actual physical thing in question
00:50 mib_ffzoy i think a better solution is just to enter "guide" which does fit
00:50 wasabi but thats poss. incorrect too, but a better solution than yours
00:50 mib_ffzoy and where is "enumchron"?
00:49 wasabi i'd put additional stuff like 'study guide c.2' , in the enumchron field, rather than callnumber
00:48 mib_ffzoy to differentiate from the actual book
00:48 wasabi yep
00:47 mib_ffzoy it's not on the bib record but it's on the item record
00:46 mib_ffzoy i''ll just use "guide"
00:46 wasabi 'study guide c.2' should not be in the callnumber?
00:46 mib_ffzoy i guess i'll have to shorten it
00:46 pianohack But why are they so long?
00:46 pianohack You can ask your vendor to change it
00:46 pianohack mib_ffzoy: That is longer than Koha's 30 character limit
00:45 pianohack Oh my goodness
00:45 wasabi other koha-express users maybe lurking on irc, and may be able to help you
00:44 mib_ffzoy HD31 .R5647 2007 study guide c.2
00:44 wasabi only PTFS/liblime have access to the koha-express codebase?, i think
00:44 pianohack mib_ffzoy: How long is this call number? Is it longer than 30 characters (letters)?
00:43 pianohack *database column
00:43 pianohack and an itemcallnumber database table
00:43 wasabi aah, you need to contact your vendor for this problem...
00:43 pianohack mib_ffzoy: There's an itemcallnumber systempreference
00:42 mib_ffzoy maybe that's why
00:42 mib_ffzoy it's Koha Express
00:42 wasabi try to work out why your busted koha is busted
00:41 wasabi then compare it to your current busted koha
00:41 wasabi my advice - set up a new koha-stable (3.0.6 ) and observe it working correctly
00:41 mib_ffzoy so what should i do to increase the limit
00:40 wasabi works ok for me
00:40 mib_ffzoy oh, ok, :)
00:39 wasabi so, a 30 character limit....
00:39 wasabi char is a abbreviation of characters
00:38 mib_ffzoy have no idea what chars are :(
00:37 mib_ffzoy all i see i itemcallnumber is: 050ab
00:35 wasabi 30 chars is the DB limit
00:35 wasabi itemcallnumber | varchar(30)
00:34 mib_ffzoy i enter it in the item record but then it gets cut off
00:33 wasabi mib_ffzoy: check that its not cut-off in the DB ;)
00:31 mib_ffzoy what do i do if a long call number appears cut off in the OPAC?
00:31 mib_ffzoy hi, all!
00:29 wasabi http://wiki.koha-community.org
00:29 wasabi custard: try the kc.org wiki...
00:26 custard chris: have some notes on the problem that you helped me with. Would they be useful to put somewhere?