Time  Nick        Message
23:15 chris       than you can do via the web
23:15 chris       certainly they seem to be able to get much better deals on accomodation
23:15 chris       but i use flightcentre for my personal stuff
23:14 chris       they were ok
23:14 chris       house of travel i used when i was at liblime
23:14 chris       :)
23:14 chris       and tell them that bit, and let them work out the rest
23:14 chris       we usually go to pittsburgh via a few places, but i usually know what flight i want to get to LA
23:14 larsw       so... FlightCentre or STA, I'll go find those, thanks :)
23:13 chris       *nod*
23:13 larsw       I'd book online except we are having a somewhat complicated trip to New York, via multiple places, and that'll be horrible to optimize online, based on past experience
23:13 chris       yeah, its nice to have an idea of what it should cost before you go in though
23:12 chilts      though sometimes they have deals you can't get on the internet or at a particular time
23:12 chilts      I think I'll do what Chris does next time
23:12 chris       and then get them to book it :)
23:12 chris       they never actually seem to know the best deals, so i look them up before hand
23:12 robin       yeah, it depends what you want. For flying to and from somewhere, I'll do it myself, if I'm booking a more complex trip I'll use the agent.
23:12 chilts      like a surcharge when paying by credit card
23:12 chilts      yeah, FlightCentre or STA ... but they all have their own annoyances
23:12 chris       and say 'i want these ones'
23:12 chris       and go into the flightcentre
23:11 chris       and then write down the flight numbers
23:11 chris       i usually find my flights on the intermanet
23:11 robin       larsw: I've used House of Travel in Dunedin in the past, found them to be effective, I imagine there's an office in wgtn. I haven't really shopped around though.
23:10 larsw       chris, chilts, robin: would you be able to suggest a good (reliable, but non-expensive) travel agent in Wellington?
21:42 * jdavidb   is off to take the early evening catnap.  see y'all 'round
21:41 brendan     oh
21:41 jdavidb     name width limit, brendan.
21:38 brendan     pianohack why'd you lose the 'er ?
21:29 cait        good night all
20:43 chris       cya pianohack
20:42 pianohack   Anyway, have to run, but thanks all
20:42 wizzyrea    hehe
20:41 chris       and rms told me i had to point that out to my friends :)
20:41 pianohack   What, the overbearing evil empire tactics put you on edge?
20:41 chris       because they are bad wrong and evil
20:41 pianohack   ah
20:41 wizzyrea    I tease bc I love
20:41 chris       i dont like apple
20:41 wizzyrea    it's ok, nobody's perfect ;)
20:40 pianohack   Hehe
20:40 wizzyrea    :)
20:40 wizzyrea    yea, chris doesn't like macs
20:40 chris       ill be the lone naysayer :)
20:40 wizzyrea    (virtualbox runs like a champ, and an equivalent PC laptop will probably cost more anyway)
20:40 pianohack   I'll probably dual-boot it on ubuntu, but glad for the endorsement
20:40 pianohack   cool
20:39 wizzyrea    esp for a coder
20:39 wizzyrea    (endorse it for college)
20:39 wizzyrea    me too
20:39 wizzyrea    15in MBP
20:39 gmcharlt_   pianohack: I do as well, and I'd endorse it for college
20:39 pianohack   wizzyrea: What kind?
20:39 pianohack   hi cait
20:39 wizzyrea    I have a macbook
20:38 cait        morning chris, hi pianohacker
20:38 pianohack   looking quite tempting for a college laptop
20:38 pianohack   lazyweb question: anyone around here using a macbook?
20:37 pianohack   morning
20:36 chris       morning
20:31 pianohack   Hey
20:29 richard     hi
20:11 cait        hi jdavidb!
20:08 wizzyrea    heya
20:08 jdavidb     howdy, #koha.
19:55 munin       zevlag: The current temperature in Castle Dale, Utah is 29.8�C (1:27 PM MDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 24.27 in 821.8 hPa (Falling).
19:55 zevlag      @wunder 84501
19:55 munin       zevlag: The current temperature in Castle Dale, Utah is 29.8�C (1:27 PM MDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 24.27 in 821.8 hPa (Falling).
19:55 zevlag      @wunder 84523
19:48 * owen      hates the heat
19:47 munin       owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 30.6�C (3:45 PM EDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
19:47 owen        @wunder 45701
19:47 * chris_n   considers frying eggs on the sidewalk for supper
19:47 munin       chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 37.1�C (3:36 PM EDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 5%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady).  Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening... 
19:47 chris_n     @wunder 28334
18:11 cait        hi rhcl
18:11 rhcl        Hi cait
18:02 cait        hi #koha
16:57 kf          ok, time to go - bye all
16:28 nengard     np
16:28 kf          thx nengard++
16:27 kf          :)
16:27 kf          cool .)
16:27 nengard     cool - added - http://koha-community.org/documentation/other-docs/
16:26 kf          there are some things special because they work with our union catalog, no cataloging happens in koha
16:25 hdl         kf++
16:25 kf          I used something like german koha handbook, its directed to our libraries, no administration
16:25 hdl         sorry
16:25 nengard     :)
16:25 hdl         nengard++
16:25 hdl         nengard°°
16:25 nengard     training materials?
16:24 nengard     what should I title it?
16:24 nengard     cool
16:24 kf          nengard: http://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=l-team:koha:koha-handbuch:start
16:24 nengard     language doesn't matter
16:24 wizzyrea    listed... let me look one more place
16:24 nengard     if you want it linked
16:24 nengard     kf we have this page for stuff like that: http://koha-community.org/documentation/other-docs/
16:24 wizzyrea    hdl: I"m not seeing the bug
16:23 kf          something different traning materials, no translation
16:23 nengard     if you're writing something different, make sure we get a link to it so we can put it on the koha site
16:23 nengard     kf are you updating the manual in git with your documentation? or are you writing something different?
16:21 hdl         9a02771f7dcebccf4121520c343c9c858f020ddb on git.biblibre.com/koha_biblibre.git
16:20 kf          we started documenting acq and serials in German
16:19 kf          hdl: I still see some problems with suggestions in acq and I was not able to create a pdf file, will test more tomorrow
16:19 kf          did not find it
16:18 hdl         It is already fixed on our master.
16:18 wizzyrea    I thought there was, let me look
16:18 hdl         Is there a bug filed about that ?
16:18 wizzyrea    (a lot's happened in the last few weeks)
16:18 wizzyrea    (lots of water under the bridge in wizzyrea land)
16:18 wizzyrea    It's sort of coming back to me
16:17 wizzyrea    ya
16:17 hdl         I sent someone a patch about that.
16:17 kf          it defaults to my library
16:17 kf          ah yes
16:17 hdl         wizzyrea: if it is owed to that.
16:17 wizzyrea    it's picking up the limits when it's not supposed to
16:17 wizzyrea    it seems to be related to the patron search box near the [+]
16:17 kf          is there a bug?
16:16 kf          ah ok
16:16 wizzyrea    with non-indy it should default to the whole patron db
16:16 wizzyrea    with indybranches it should my library only
16:16 wizzyrea    yea, we've talked about it before
16:16 kf          sure?
16:15 kf          I turned independantbranches on and off and got the same result
16:15 wizzyrea    bug
16:15 kf          bug or feature: patron search only shows patrons from my library?
15:42 brendan     USA in stoppage time
15:42 brendan     BIG GOAL there
15:37 kf          :)
15:36 chris_n`    and says "Get to work over there."
15:36 * chris_n`  glares at chris_n
15:16 nengard     okay i've gone over the list of major+ bugs 10 times now and I can't find any I have the skills to fix
13:46 schuster    OK just reading the "enhancement" and a patch is "ready" so trying to figure out where these things fall and when things can be closed.  confused...:) as normal.
13:45 gmcharlt_   schuster: jwagner is correct
13:44 jwagner     schuster, according to the page Galen & Chris set up, it's still slated for 3.4 -- http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFSHarleyIntegration
13:43 schuster    How can we determine if it actually is in 3.2 or if it is going to 3.4?
13:43 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3500 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, New Circulation, patron, fines, other granular permissions
13:43 schuster    So I'm looking at bug 3500
13:36 owen        nengard: I'll try to take a look at those bugs later today
13:28 jdavidb     looks like I remembered it right.
13:28 nengard     worked :)
13:28 munin       04Bug 3265: major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, LOST status not  changed after issued item is checked in
13:28 munin       nengard: The operation succeeded.
13:28 nengard     @later tell wizzyrea can you add screenshots to this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3265
13:27 jdavidb     at-later tell <nick> <message>, I think
13:27 nengard     i know i ask this everything, but can someone remind me how to tell someone something later in IRC?
13:25 jdavidb     owen: I know people who have taken t-shirt decorations and molded them into the plastic of the leg, as a "tattoo".
13:24 jdavidb     Got an appointment this afternoon for them to make a mold of me, to build the interface for it.
13:23 jdavidb     This is a Very Good Thing--my old one doesn't fit right, and it's coming apart.  This will be an upgrade--better shock-absorber built in, and adjustable-heel-height foot.
13:23 nengard     hehe
13:23 owen        jdavidb: Will it have racing stripes?
13:22 nengard     love when insurance actually comes through
13:22 nengard     WOO HOO!!!
13:22 jdavidb     Just heard from my prosthetics shop; I'm getting a new artificial leg, and insurance is paying 100%.
13:21 nengard     what's up jdavidb???
13:21 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3969 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Budget Search Doesn't Work
13:21 nengard     and maybe bug 3969
13:21 * jdavidb   bounces around happily.
13:20 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4068 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Accepting a suggestion hides 'pending' tab
13:20 nengard     owen maybe you have an idea for bug 4068
13:19 nengard     that will lessen the list some
13:18 nengard     yeah - although I am seeing a good number that are marked as patch sent, so we just need them pushed/tested/and closed
13:17 owen        I would really like to see more people working from that bug list
13:17 owen        I'm with you there
13:17 nengard     keey trying to find bugs I can fix to make the list less daunting, but i just don't have all the knowledge i need yet :(
13:16 nengard     and just to go back - 188 bugs in that list!!!! NOOOOOO :(
13:15 nengard     convincing one of my associations to switch from drupal to wp cause i hate it so much and don't want to manage it anymore
13:14 owen        Drupal and I have a tense but productive relationship
13:14 nengard     i know i'm a bad open source educator - but i hate drupal!!!
13:14 nengard     hate drupal!
13:13 * owen      should also get back to fighting with Drupal
13:13 * owen      should be doing that too
13:12 nengard     right now upgrading FF :)
13:12 nengard     didn't try that - will try later
13:12 owen        nengard: What if you click the "All items" link in the left-hand menu and "mark all as read" from there?
13:10 nengard     and start fresh
13:10 nengard     i just said have 1000+ things to read :) once in a while i just wipe it all out!
13:10 nengard     yes!!
13:10 owen        I see nengard, you wanted a button for the nuclear option
13:10 nengard     hehe
13:10 owen        nengard: Munchkinland wasn't a good thing in this case
13:09 owen        Sorry for that URL NickyNick, that's should give you the major, critical, and blocker bugs
13:09 nengard     and is munchkinland a good thing??
13:09 nengard     sorry owen - was reading emails and writing patches - there is a mark all read button on each folder - but not for all folders ... not that i saw
13:09 owen        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=HEAD&version=rel_3_2
13:09 NickyNick   um, that would be wise I suppose! I will, just wondering if anyone thinks, generally, that there is much point staying back on 3.06 until 3.2 is released!
13:08 owen        NickyNick: Have you browsed the bug database to see what the major issues are?
13:07 NickyNick   Anyone have an opinion on using 3.2 Alpha on a production site?
13:06 * owen      finds the nVidia setting "Digital Vibrance" and cranks it down from 78%
12:59 owen        The colors are burning my eyes
12:59 owen        Whoa, Windows updated my nVidia driver and it's like I just arrived in Munchkin Land
12:55 owen        brb, Windows bugging me to restart
12:50 * owen      got tired of Bloglines randomly forgetting what I'd read and what I hadn't
12:46 owen        There's a "mark all as read" button
12:46 owen        You should be able to do #3
12:46 nengard     but bloglines was unstable and that was annoying too
12:45 nengard     greader has a few things that bug me - #1 I know i have more than 1000 things to read give me the damn number -- #2 why can't I share a list of everything I subscribe to? -- #3 why can't I mark everything in every folder read?
12:44 nengard     that said - i love that i can now send and receive SMS for free with Google Voice!!!
12:44 nengard     actually haven't looked at it in a few days - trying to catch up from being away before leaving again tomorrow!!
12:44 owen        nengard: How's greader treating you?
12:37 nengard     howdy!
12:37 owen        Hi nengard
12:26 kf          morning jwagner
11:56 jwagner     morning chris_n and all
11:39 chris_n     g'morning
11:29 magnus      have a look in the misc and misc/cronjobs folder for some (cli) examples http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc;hb=HEAD
11:28 magnus      damien: i'd say there is no plugin architecture as such, but you can include modules from the C4 directory to get the functionality you need http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=C4;hb=HEAD
11:19 damien      Hi, does Koha have an API for plugin development work?
10:33 chris       i just didnt notice :)
10:33 chris       yeah you did
10:32 chris       cool
10:32 custard     Sorry, thought I'd said that.
10:32 custard     Yes it did. Thanks.
10:31 chris       custard: did that fix it?
10:04 chris       so it was something cgi::session related
10:04 chris       because it said cant get_session
10:03 custard     can I ask why you thought of that module?
09:58 custard     not sure what happened to those two.
09:57 custard     and adding the package fixed the error. Thanks.
09:55 chris       yeah koha uses yaml, and so does cgi session
09:52 custard     http://old.nabble.com/Koha-Upgrading-to-3.00.04-from-3.00.02-td26211666.html
09:52 custard     previous to this error, I had a longer one that was very much like this one:
09:50 custard     now, it's interesting that you mention YAML.
09:49 chris       then try koha again
09:49 chris       installing CGI::Session::serialize::yaml
09:49 chris       can you try
09:48 chris       hmm, that shouldnt have been a problem the perl modules should be in the same place still
09:48 custard     yes. 5.10.0 to 5.10.1
09:37 chris       did perl get upgraded?
09:36 chris       are now missing
09:36 chris       so, im guessing some modules that were cpanned on
09:36 chris       its the session bit that is failing
09:31 custard     This is on an existing system after an OS upgrade. MySQL is running, and has retained the pre-existing user/password combo.
09:29 custard     Is there anything obvious that would give an "Auth ERROR: Can't get_session() at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 606." when attempting a local connection?
09:25 chris       yeah
09:24 magnus      trying to be too smart is... not so smart... :-)
09:24 magnus      good
09:23 chris       its due for an overhaul in 3.4
09:23 chris       there are a few little bugs like that in C4/Languages
09:23 chris       yeah, its trying to be too smart detecting your language from your browser
09:22 magnus      hm, when i click on "mad" i get this error: "Error: Language 'nb' does not exist"
09:21 magnus      "Awesome  Classic  Mad" http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-tags.pl hehe
09:20 magnus      would be nice
09:20 chris       in the tools
09:20 chris       button
09:20 chris       just need to make a submit to 'some cool name'
09:19 chris       would be easy to do
09:19 chris       yup
09:19 magnus      sure recommendations, comments, tags...
09:19 magnus      i'm part of a norwegian "think tank" (the library laboratory) that will be investigating the swedish software this year, and arguing that all norwegian systems should contribute to one open pool, not one pool per ils vendor...
09:18 chris       i want to do that with recommendations too
09:18 chris       yep, no reason why we cant do that
09:17 magnus      sweden has one, called "Öppna bibliotek" - "open libraries"
09:17 magnus      there should be some way to aggregate tags accross Kohas, and other systems too
09:17 chris       HLT have librarything for libraries, and also syndetics
09:16 magnus      :-)
09:16 chris       but yeah, you get much more useful info if you utilise millions of ppls tags :)
09:16 chris       there is a koha tag browser too
09:15 magnus      i thought it was based on the tags in koha - should have known there wouldn't be that many tags, even for LOTR...
09:15 magnus      ah, ok
09:15 chris       if you have librarything for libraries
09:15 magnus      ooh, cool!
09:14 chris       thats in 3.2
09:14 magnus      chris: the tag browser looks cool - is that something for 3.4?
09:11 chris       not a bad way to celebrate their centenary
09:10 chilts      heh, awesome :)
09:09 chris       nz maori beat england!
09:08 chris       w00t!!!
09:06 kf          will test on my dev install later
09:06 kf          yes
09:06 chris       weird
09:06 kf          yes, they were working for owen too, but not for nengard and me
09:06 chris       http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=11580
09:06 kf          ok, to be more clear: I had problems with similar items and reviews not working, covers were ok
09:06 chris       reviews are working at hlt
09:06 kf          and similar items
09:05 kf          I think covers were ok
09:05 kf          reviews
09:03 chris       can you remember what bits of amazon weren't working?
09:02 kf          wanted to ask her if she still has problems to get amazon working
09:02 kf          ah, you are right
09:00 chris       for a couple more hours at least
09:00 chris       she'll be asleep
08:57 kf          nengard: around?
08:52 kf          catalyst++ :)
08:49 chris       :) ill pass that on to my boss
08:41 magnus      catalyst++ # by the way, for volunteering personnel to help with the biblibre patches!
08:39 magnus      have a few loose ends to tie up before this week is out
08:39 chris       ahh good idea
08:39 magnus      i'm on "holiday" from next week, so i'll do it then
08:38 magnus      havn't quite got round to it yet
08:38 chris       hows the ticket hunting going?
08:38 magnus      hi chris
08:38 chris       hi magnus
08:35 chris       hi hdl
08:35 hdl         hi chris
07:52 chris       paul: nz maori vs england rugby on at the moment
07:35 chris       heya kf
07:34 kf          hi chris
07:30 chris       hi paul
07:30 paul        hello kf & al
07:24 kf          hi paul, hi Amit
07:19 Amit        heya kf
07:13 kf          good morning #koha
03:34 custard     Ok, I'll see what I've got lying around and test it out first.
03:28 chris       i'd certianly do the install on something i dont care too much about first :)
03:28 larsw       backups, backups, backups. oh, and backups.
03:27 chris       im not sure an upgrade from 3.0.6 will work flawlessly, no fault of the packages though, theres blockers around the upgrade
03:27 chris       alpha2 is out, and the beta is out soon but the packages are running off master, so ahead of even alpha2
03:26 custard     (and was about to bump it up to 3.2a1 anyway)
03:26 Amit        good morning #koha
03:25 Amit        hi chris
03:25 custard     3.00.06.010
03:24 chris       what version of koha are you currently running?
03:22 custard     Would just restoring a sql dump work? or would that loose important bits?
03:22 custard     but since I've already got data in the system that I don't really want to loose, I'm probably after a good way of preserving the records and items.
03:16 custard     I was just in the middle of updating my koha box to lucid, and spotted a note in the irc logs a while back looking for a volunteer to test them, and thought that maybe I could help there.
03:16 custard     Good.
03:14 larsw       Robin's succeeding me in the packaging
03:13 custard     is anyone else taking on the .deb idea?
03:13 larsw       anyway, I hope the existing packages work in ubuntu lucid, but if not, please file a bug explaining the problems
03:13 * wizzyrea_ mourns the loss of larsw
03:12 * custard   nods
03:10 larsw       I should state here, for clarity, that I am withdrawing from Koha development; I'm mainly hanging out here in case there's any questions I can answer, and to hang out with people I know
03:09 custard     and the intention is that they go into a fresh install?
03:09 larsw       I haven't heard of anything
03:09 chris       not anyone who has documented it
03:08 custard     with Lars's .debs, has he found someone to test them on ubuntu lucid?
02:58 chris       fair enough
02:57 jdavidb     eh, not that late yet...and not sleepy.
02:57 chris       burning the midnight oil jdavidb ?
00:51 jo          yep - thanks chris
00:39 chris       i think mib_d6my8 might be the brendan you are after
00:38 jo          hi chris
00:30 chris       hi jo
00:25 mib_d6my8   Brendan from vicnet mylanguage
00:25 mib_d6my8   jo\
00:24 jo          :)
00:23 brendan     nope - but hi jo
00:23 jo          brendan from nsw?