Time Nick Message 00:23 jo brendan from nsw? 00:23 brendan nope - but hi jo 00:24 jo :) 00:25 mib_d6my8 jo\ 00:25 mib_d6my8 Brendan from vicnet mylanguage 00:30 chris hi jo 00:38 jo hi chris 00:39 chris i think mib_d6my8 might be the brendan you are after 00:51 jo yep - thanks chris 02:57 chris burning the midnight oil jdavidb ? 02:57 jdavidb eh, not that late yet...and not sleepy. 02:58 chris fair enough 03:08 custard with Lars's .debs, has he found someone to test them on ubuntu lucid? 03:09 chris not anyone who has documented it 03:09 larsw I haven't heard of anything 03:09 custard and the intention is that they go into a fresh install? 03:10 larsw I should state here, for clarity, that I am withdrawing from Koha development; I'm mainly hanging out here in case there's any questions I can answer, and to hang out with people I know 03:12 * custard nods 03:13 * wizzyrea_ mourns the loss of larsw 03:13 larsw anyway, I hope the existing packages work in ubuntu lucid, but if not, please file a bug explaining the problems 03:13 custard is anyone else taking on the .deb idea? 03:14 larsw Robin's succeeding me in the packaging 03:16 custard Good. 03:16 custard I was just in the middle of updating my koha box to lucid, and spotted a note in the irc logs a while back looking for a volunteer to test them, and thought that maybe I could help there. 03:22 custard but since I've already got data in the system that I don't really want to loose, I'm probably after a good way of preserving the records and items. 03:22 custard Would just restoring a sql dump work? or would that loose important bits? 03:24 chris what version of koha are you currently running? 03:25 custard 3.00.06.010 03:25 Amit hi chris 03:26 Amit good morning #koha 03:26 custard (and was about to bump it up to 3.2a1 anyway) 03:27 chris alpha2 is out, and the beta is out soon but the packages are running off master, so ahead of even alpha2 03:27 chris im not sure an upgrade from 3.0.6 will work flawlessly, no fault of the packages though, theres blockers around the upgrade 03:28 larsw backups, backups, backups. oh, and backups. 03:28 chris i'd certianly do the install on something i dont care too much about first :) 03:34 custard Ok, I'll see what I've got lying around and test it out first. 07:13 kf good morning #koha 07:19 Amit heya kf 07:24 kf hi paul, hi Amit 07:30 paul hello kf & al 07:30 chris hi paul 07:34 kf hi chris 07:35 chris heya kf 07:52 chris paul: nz maori vs england rugby on at the moment 08:35 hdl hi chris 08:35 chris hi hdl 08:38 chris hi magnus 08:38 magnus hi chris 08:38 chris hows the ticket hunting going? 08:38 magnus havn't quite got round to it yet 08:39 magnus i'm on "holiday" from next week, so i'll do it then 08:39 chris ahh good idea 08:39 magnus have a few loose ends to tie up before this week is out 08:41 magnus catalyst++ # by the way, for volunteering personnel to help with the biblibre patches! 08:49 chris :) ill pass that on to my boss 08:52 kf catalyst++ :) 08:57 kf nengard: around? 09:00 chris she'll be asleep 09:00 chris for a couple more hours at least 09:02 kf ah, you are right 09:02 kf wanted to ask her if she still has problems to get amazon working 09:03 chris can you remember what bits of amazon weren't working? 09:05 kf reviews 09:05 kf I think covers were ok 09:06 kf and similar items 09:06 chris reviews are working at hlt 09:06 kf ok, to be more clear: I had problems with similar items and reviews not working, covers were ok 09:06 chris http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=11580 09:06 kf yes, they were working for owen too, but not for nengard and me 09:06 chris weird 09:06 kf yes 09:06 kf will test on my dev install later 09:08 chris w00t!!! 09:09 chris nz maori beat england! 09:10 chilts heh, awesome :) 09:11 chris not a bad way to celebrate their centenary 09:14 magnus chris: the tag browser looks cool - is that something for 3.4? 09:14 chris thats in 3.2 09:15 magnus ooh, cool! 09:15 chris if you have librarything for libraries 09:15 magnus ah, ok 09:15 magnus i thought it was based on the tags in koha - should have known there wouldn't be that many tags, even for LOTR... 09:16 chris there is a koha tag browser too 09:16 chris but yeah, you get much more useful info if you utilise millions of ppls tags :) 09:16 magnus :-) 09:17 chris HLT have librarything for libraries, and also syndetics 09:17 magnus there should be some way to aggregate tags accross Kohas, and other systems too 09:17 magnus sweden has one, called "Öppna bibliotek" - "open libraries" 09:18 chris yep, no reason why we cant do that 09:18 chris i want to do that with recommendations too 09:19 magnus i'm part of a norwegian "think tank" (the library laboratory) that will be investigating the swedish software this year, and arguing that all norwegian systems should contribute to one open pool, not one pool per ils vendor... 09:19 magnus sure recommendations, comments, tags... 09:19 chris yup 09:19 chris would be easy to do 09:20 chris just need to make a submit to 'some cool name' 09:20 chris button 09:20 chris in the tools 09:20 magnus would be nice 09:21 magnus "Awesome Classic Mad" http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-tags.pl hehe 09:22 magnus hm, when i click on "mad" i get this error: "Error: Language 'nb' does not exist" 09:23 chris yeah, its trying to be too smart detecting your language from your browser 09:23 chris there are a few little bugs like that in C4/Languages 09:23 chris its due for an overhaul in 3.4 09:24 magnus good 09:24 magnus trying to be too smart is... not so smart... :-) 09:25 chris yeah 09:29 custard Is there anything obvious that would give an "Auth ERROR: Can't get_session() at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 606." when attempting a local connection? 09:31 custard This is on an existing system after an OS upgrade. MySQL is running, and has retained the pre-existing user/password combo. 09:36 chris its the session bit that is failing 09:36 chris so, im guessing some modules that were cpanned on 09:36 chris are now missing 09:37 chris did perl get upgraded? 09:48 custard yes. 5.10.0 to 5.10.1 09:48 chris hmm, that shouldnt have been a problem the perl modules should be in the same place still 09:49 chris can you try 09:49 chris installing CGI::Session::serialize::yaml 09:49 chris then try koha again 09:50 custard now, it's interesting that you mention YAML. 09:52 custard previous to this error, I had a longer one that was very much like this one: 09:52 custard http://old.nabble.com/Koha-Upgrading-to-3.00.04-from-3.00.02-td26211666.html 09:55 chris yeah koha uses yaml, and so does cgi session 09:57 custard and adding the package fixed the error. Thanks. 09:58 custard not sure what happened to those two. 10:03 custard can I ask why you thought of that module? 10:04 chris because it said cant get_session 10:04 chris so it was something cgi::session related 10:31 chris custard: did that fix it? 10:32 custard Yes it did. Thanks. 10:32 custard Sorry, thought I'd said that. 10:32 chris cool 10:33 chris yeah you did 10:33 chris i just didnt notice :) 11:19 damien Hi, does Koha have an API for plugin development work? 11:28 magnus damien: i'd say there is no plugin architecture as such, but you can include modules from the C4 directory to get the functionality you need http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=C4;hb=HEAD 11:29 magnus have a look in the misc and misc/cronjobs folder for some (cli) examples http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc;hb=HEAD 11:39 chris_n g'morning 11:56 jwagner morning chris_n and all 12:26 kf morning jwagner 12:37 owen Hi nengard 12:37 nengard howdy! 12:44 owen nengard: How's greader treating you? 12:44 nengard actually haven't looked at it in a few days - trying to catch up from being away before leaving again tomorrow!! 12:44 nengard that said - i love that i can now send and receive SMS for free with Google Voice!!! 12:45 nengard greader has a few things that bug me - #1 I know i have more than 1000 things to read give me the damn number -- #2 why can't I share a list of everything I subscribe to? -- #3 why can't I mark everything in every folder read? 12:46 nengard but bloglines was unstable and that was annoying too 12:46 owen You should be able to do #3 12:46 owen There's a "mark all as read" button 12:50 * owen got tired of Bloglines randomly forgetting what I'd read and what I hadn't 12:55 owen brb, Windows bugging me to restart 12:59 owen Whoa, Windows updated my nVidia driver and it's like I just arrived in Munchkin Land 12:59 owen The colors are burning my eyes 13:06 * owen finds the nVidia setting "Digital Vibrance" and cranks it down from 78% 13:07 NickyNick Anyone have an opinion on using 3.2 Alpha on a production site? 13:08 owen NickyNick: Have you browsed the bug database to see what the major issues are? 13:09 NickyNick um, that would be wise I suppose! I will, just wondering if anyone thinks, generally, that there is much point staying back on 3.06 until 3.2 is released! 13:09 owen http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=HEAD&version=rel_3_2 13:09 nengard sorry owen - was reading emails and writing patches - there is a mark all read button on each folder - but not for all folders ... not that i saw 13:09 nengard and is munchkinland a good thing?? 13:09 owen Sorry for that URL NickyNick, that's should give you the major, critical, and blocker bugs 13:10 owen nengard: Munchkinland wasn't a good thing in this case 13:10 nengard hehe 13:10 owen I see nengard, you wanted a button for the nuclear option 13:10 nengard yes!! 13:10 nengard i just said have 1000+ things to read :) once in a while i just wipe it all out! 13:10 nengard and start fresh 13:12 owen nengard: What if you click the "All items" link in the left-hand menu and "mark all as read" from there? 13:12 nengard didn't try that - will try later 13:12 nengard right now upgrading FF :) 13:13 * owen should be doing that too 13:13 * owen should also get back to fighting with Drupal 13:14 nengard hate drupal! 13:14 nengard i know i'm a bad open source educator - but i hate drupal!!! 13:14 owen Drupal and I have a tense but productive relationship 13:15 nengard convincing one of my associations to switch from drupal to wp cause i hate it so much and don't want to manage it anymore 13:16 nengard and just to go back - 188 bugs in that list!!!! NOOOOOO :( 13:17 nengard keey trying to find bugs I can fix to make the list less daunting, but i just don't have all the knowledge i need yet :( 13:17 owen I'm with you there 13:17 owen I would really like to see more people working from that bug list 13:18 nengard yeah - although I am seeing a good number that are marked as patch sent, so we just need them pushed/tested/and closed 13:19 nengard that will lessen the list some 13:20 nengard owen maybe you have an idea for bug 4068 13:20 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4068 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Accepting a suggestion hides 'pending' tab 13:21 * jdavidb bounces around happily. 13:21 nengard and maybe bug 3969 13:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3969 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Budget Search Doesn't Work 13:21 nengard what's up jdavidb??? 13:22 jdavidb Just heard from my prosthetics shop; I'm getting a new artificial leg, and insurance is paying 100%. 13:22 nengard WOO HOO!!! 13:22 nengard love when insurance actually comes through 13:23 owen jdavidb: Will it have racing stripes? 13:23 nengard hehe 13:23 jdavidb This is a Very Good Thing--my old one doesn't fit right, and it's coming apart. This will be an upgrade--better shock-absorber built in, and adjustable-heel-height foot. 13:24 jdavidb Got an appointment this afternoon for them to make a mold of me, to build the interface for it. 13:25 jdavidb owen: I know people who have taken t-shirt decorations and molded them into the plastic of the leg, as a "tattoo". 13:27 nengard i know i ask this everything, but can someone remind me how to tell someone something later in IRC? 13:27 jdavidb at-later tell <nick> <message>, I think 13:28 nengard @later tell wizzyrea can you add screenshots to this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3265 13:28 munin nengard: The operation succeeded. 13:28 munin 04Bug 3265: major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, LOST status not changed after issued item is checked in 13:28 nengard worked :) 13:28 jdavidb looks like I remembered it right. 13:36 owen nengard: I'll try to take a look at those bugs later today 13:43 schuster So I'm looking at bug 3500 13:43 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3500 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, New Circulation, patron, fines, other granular permissions 13:43 schuster How can we determine if it actually is in 3.2 or if it is going to 3.4? 13:44 jwagner schuster, according to the page Galen & Chris set up, it's still slated for 3.4 -- http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFSHarleyIntegration 13:45 gmcharlt_ schuster: jwagner is correct 13:46 schuster OK just reading the "enhancement" and a patch is "ready" so trying to figure out where these things fall and when things can be closed. confused...:) as normal. 15:16 nengard okay i've gone over the list of major+ bugs 10 times now and I can't find any I have the skills to fix 15:36 * chris_n` glares at chris_n 15:36 chris_n` and says "Get to work over there." 15:37 kf :) 15:42 brendan BIG GOAL there 15:42 brendan USA in stoppage time 16:15 kf bug or feature: patron search only shows patrons from my library? 16:15 wizzyrea bug 16:15 kf I turned independantbranches on and off and got the same result 16:16 kf sure? 16:16 wizzyrea yea, we've talked about it before 16:16 wizzyrea with indybranches it should my library only 16:16 wizzyrea with non-indy it should default to the whole patron db 16:16 kf ah ok 16:17 kf is there a bug? 16:17 wizzyrea it seems to be related to the patron search box near the [+] 16:17 wizzyrea it's picking up the limits when it's not supposed to 16:17 hdl wizzyrea: if it is owed to that. 16:17 kf ah yes 16:17 kf it defaults to my library 16:17 hdl I sent someone a patch about that. 16:17 wizzyrea ya 16:18 wizzyrea It's sort of coming back to me 16:18 wizzyrea (lots of water under the bridge in wizzyrea land) 16:18 wizzyrea (a lot's happened in the last few weeks) 16:18 hdl Is there a bug filed about that ? 16:18 wizzyrea I thought there was, let me look 16:18 hdl It is already fixed on our master. 16:19 kf did not find it 16:19 kf hdl: I still see some problems with suggestions in acq and I was not able to create a pdf file, will test more tomorrow 16:20 kf we started documenting acq and serials in German 16:21 hdl 9a02771f7dcebccf4121520c343c9c858f020ddb on git.biblibre.com/koha_biblibre.git 16:23 nengard kf are you updating the manual in git with your documentation? or are you writing something different? 16:23 nengard if you're writing something different, make sure we get a link to it so we can put it on the koha site 16:23 kf something different traning materials, no translation 16:24 wizzyrea hdl: I"m not seeing the bug 16:24 nengard kf we have this page for stuff like that: http://koha-community.org/documentation/other-docs/ 16:24 nengard if you want it linked 16:24 wizzyrea listed... let me look one more place 16:24 nengard language doesn't matter 16:24 kf nengard: http://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=l-team:koha:koha-handbuch:start 16:24 nengard cool 16:24 nengard what should I title it? 16:25 nengard training materials? 16:25 hdl nengard°° 16:25 hdl nengard++ 16:25 nengard :) 16:25 hdl sorry 16:25 kf I used something like german koha handbook, its directed to our libraries, no administration 16:25 hdl kf++ 16:26 kf there are some things special because they work with our union catalog, no cataloging happens in koha 16:27 nengard cool - added - http://koha-community.org/documentation/other-docs/ 16:27 kf cool .) 16:27 kf :) 16:28 kf thx nengard++ 16:28 nengard np 16:57 kf ok, time to go - bye all 18:02 cait hi #koha 18:11 rhcl Hi cait 18:11 cait hi rhcl 19:47 chris_n @wunder 28334 19:47 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 37.1�C (3:36 PM EDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 5%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening... 19:47 * chris_n considers frying eggs on the sidewalk for supper 19:47 owen @wunder 45701 19:47 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 30.6�C (3:45 PM EDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling). 19:48 * owen hates the heat 19:55 zevlag @wunder 84523 19:55 munin zevlag: The current temperature in Castle Dale, Utah is 29.8�C (1:27 PM MDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 24.27 in 821.8 hPa (Falling). 19:55 zevlag @wunder 84501 19:55 munin zevlag: The current temperature in Castle Dale, Utah is 29.8�C (1:27 PM MDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 24.27 in 821.8 hPa (Falling). 20:08 jdavidb howdy, #koha. 20:08 wizzyrea heya 20:11 cait hi jdavidb! 20:29 richard hi 20:31 pianohack Hey 20:36 chris morning 20:37 pianohack morning 20:38 pianohack lazyweb question: anyone around here using a macbook? 20:38 pianohack looking quite tempting for a college laptop 20:38 cait morning chris, hi pianohacker 20:39 wizzyrea I have a macbook 20:39 pianohack hi cait 20:39 pianohack wizzyrea: What kind? 20:39 gmcharlt_ pianohack: I do as well, and I'd endorse it for college 20:39 wizzyrea 15in MBP 20:39 wizzyrea me too 20:39 wizzyrea (endorse it for college) 20:39 wizzyrea esp for a coder 20:40 pianohack cool 20:40 pianohack I'll probably dual-boot it on ubuntu, but glad for the endorsement 20:40 wizzyrea (virtualbox runs like a champ, and an equivalent PC laptop will probably cost more anyway) 20:40 chris ill be the lone naysayer :) 20:40 wizzyrea yea, chris doesn't like macs 20:40 wizzyrea :) 20:40 pianohack Hehe 20:41 wizzyrea it's ok, nobody's perfect ;) 20:41 chris i dont like apple 20:41 wizzyrea I tease bc I love 20:41 pianohack ah 20:41 chris because they are bad wrong and evil 20:41 pianohack What, the overbearing evil empire tactics put you on edge? 20:41 chris and rms told me i had to point that out to my friends :) 20:42 wizzyrea hehe 20:42 pianohack Anyway, have to run, but thanks all 20:43 chris cya pianohack 21:29 cait good night all 21:38 brendan pianohack why'd you lose the 'er ? 21:41 jdavidb name width limit, brendan. 21:41 brendan oh 21:42 * jdavidb is off to take the early evening catnap. see y'all 'round 23:10 larsw chris, chilts, robin: would you be able to suggest a good (reliable, but non-expensive) travel agent in Wellington? 23:11 robin larsw: I've used House of Travel in Dunedin in the past, found them to be effective, I imagine there's an office in wgtn. I haven't really shopped around though. 23:11 chris i usually find my flights on the intermanet 23:11 chris and then write down the flight numbers 23:12 chris and go into the flightcentre 23:12 chris and say 'i want these ones' 23:12 chilts yeah, FlightCentre or STA ... but they all have their own annoyances 23:12 chilts like a surcharge when paying by credit card 23:12 robin yeah, it depends what you want. For flying to and from somewhere, I'll do it myself, if I'm booking a more complex trip I'll use the agent. 23:12 chris they never actually seem to know the best deals, so i look them up before hand 23:12 chris and then get them to book it :) 23:12 chilts I think I'll do what Chris does next time 23:12 chilts though sometimes they have deals you can't get on the internet or at a particular time 23:13 chris yeah, its nice to have an idea of what it should cost before you go in though 23:13 larsw I'd book online except we are having a somewhat complicated trip to New York, via multiple places, and that'll be horrible to optimize online, based on past experience 23:13 chris *nod* 23:14 larsw so... FlightCentre or STA, I'll go find those, thanks :) 23:14 chris we usually go to pittsburgh via a few places, but i usually know what flight i want to get to LA 23:14 chris and tell them that bit, and let them work out the rest 23:14 chris :) 23:14 chris house of travel i used when i was at liblime 23:14 chris they were ok 23:15 chris but i use flightcentre for my personal stuff 23:15 chris certainly they seem to be able to get much better deals on accomodation 23:15 chris than you can do via the web