Time Nick Message 00:05 jo is mib_ewn6e Brendan? 00:05 brendan nope 00:06 jo not you Brendan-who-I-know but another Brendan I am meeting in here soonish :) 00:06 jo Brendan: are you coming down to koha con? 00:07 brendan I'm not going to be making.. 00:07 brendan My wife is pregnant and I'm going to use my vacation for that ;) 00:08 jo oh congratulations :) 00:14 brendan thanks 00:42 chris yeah congrats brendan :) 00:58 Genji hiya all! 01:06 wizzyrea_ omg brendan 01:06 wizzyrea_ a baby how exciting! 01:06 brendan :) 01:06 wizzyrea_ comgrats man 01:06 wizzyrea_ congrats, even 01:07 brendan thanks so much - I'm very excited 01:08 wizzyrea_ next time I see you we shall bounce and squee ;) 01:08 brendan heh 01:09 wizzyrea_ oh only girls do that 01:09 wizzyrea_ sorry 01:09 wizzyrea_ I shall give you a manly whack on the back 01:15 brendan excellent I'll take the manly whack 01:17 * chris_n adds his congrats to brendan 01:18 brendan heya chris_n 01:24 * chris_n painstakingly sorts out a botched koha-conf.xml :-P 02:02 chris_n and wins 02:02 chris_n http://imagebin.ca/view/OlJyUDA.html 02:02 chris_n for all of those doubters among us ;-) 02:05 robin Goodness, that's running on XP. That sounds like an un-fun exercise. 02:05 chris heh 02:07 chris_n yup, its a sort of sadistic attraction I can't seem to shake 02:08 wizzyrea_ chris_n: that *is* sadistic 02:11 Genji ive done it before.. it was koha 2.x though. 02:11 chris_n in this case it is self-inflicted pain soley for the purpose of saying, "I can do it." 02:11 chris_n Genji: this is running over strawberry not activestate 02:12 Genji hmm? whats strawberry? 02:12 chris_n the open source port of perl to Win32 02:12 chris_n http://strawberryperl.com/ 02:12 Genji and how is it different to activestate? 02:15 chris_n the "enterprise" edition is free 02:18 alohalog chris_n: i did the same thing with koha3 on my macbook 02:19 alohalog took me *ages* to get going.... 02:19 wasabi oops, wrong window ;) 02:19 chris_n all koha's perl deps are available via cpan with strawberry 02:20 chris_n and most coding changes to the installer are already in the 3.1.x codebase 02:20 wasabi most of the tricky stuff for me was around osx xml libs 02:20 chris_n so at present the install is very much like a *nix install 02:20 wasabi and i was afraid i might bork my work-lappy 02:21 chris_n just a minor adjustment or two to get the zebra related perl modules to build 02:21 wasabi very well done 02:22 wasabi now find someone else to take the win32-koha port over 02:22 wasabi ... and run away!!!! 02:23 chris_n hehe 02:23 wasabi im working on a silverlight offline circ-module 02:24 wasabi not... ;) 02:24 wasabi sliverlight/adobe-air/flash 02:24 chris_n ok, enough fun (not) for the evening... time to sleep 02:26 wasabi haaay... a koha-circ iphone.app! 02:27 wasabi ok, i sssssh now... nite chris 02:27 chris_n lol, g'night 02:28 * wasabi : pats chris_n on the back 03:43 Amit heya chris 04:10 brendan heya Amit 04:10 Amit heya brendan 05:31 cait good morning koha 06:55 Ropuch Good morning #koha 07:00 kf good morning #koha 07:01 Ropuch Hello kf 07:02 kf hi Ropuch 07:06 Irinie Good morning, I sucess to import record from excel sheet to marc using marcedit. are there anway to import the items for this records also?? 07:06 kf Irinie: marc21 or unimarc? 07:07 Irinie marc 21 07:07 kf so repeated 952 fields is the answer 07:07 kf give me a minute, I think there is some documentation in the manual 07:09 Irinie ok thanks 07:09 kf Irinie: what you will need is subfields a, b (home and holding branch, can be teh same), barcode and itemtype 07:10 Irinie what I will need specially is the call number 07:11 kf there is a field for that 07:11 kf I found the documentation page, but the table is broken: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a9836 07:11 kf you can look at your bibliographic framework and field 952 07:12 kf or take a look at the subfields when you add an item manually, its not too difficult 07:12 kf the marc record needs 1 952 field for every item 07:12 Irinie ok it is 952$o 07:12 kf just make sure you set a and b 07:13 Irinie ok 07:13 Irinie many thanks 07:14 kf no problem 07:39 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 07:39 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 07:40 chris hi magnus 07:40 magnus howdy chris 07:40 hdl hi all 07:46 chris magnus: added some books to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/NZ_Pop_Culture 07:47 chris hi hdl 07:47 magnus cool! thanks chris 08:45 kf hi hdl and chris 08:48 kf hi magnus 08:48 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:48 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.4�C (10:54 AM CEST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Rising). 08:48 magnus hi kf 10:25 gmcharlt_ good morning 10:26 chris heya gmcharlt_ 10:31 kf hi gmcharlt 10:33 Ropuch Hello chris, gmcharlt_ 10:55 chris hi Ropuch 10:55 chris hows poland? 11:03 Amit @weather New Delhi 11:03 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 44.0�C (4:00 PM IST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling). 11:03 Amit @weather Bangalore 11:03 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 29.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. 11:03 Amit @weather Dehradun 11:03 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 31.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.46 in 998 hPa. 11:10 Oak @weather Islamabad 11:10 munin Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 43.0�C (4:00 PM PKT on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 11:40 jdavidb mornin'! 11:40 chris hi jdavidb 11:40 jdavidb :) howdy, chris. 11:41 collum good morning chris and jdavidb 11:41 jwagner Morning all.... 11:42 gmcharlt_ hi jdavidb, jwagner, collum 11:50 kf hi jdavidb 11:51 kf hi jwagner 11:51 jdavidb :D hi, kf 11:51 * kf is a bit slow toda 11:51 kf hi collum 11:51 jdavidb It's Monday, definitely. 11:51 kf yes, definitel 11:51 kf y 12:01 kf hi nengard 12:12 collum hi kf and gmcharlt 12:33 owen Hi #koha 12:38 kf hi owen 12:42 jwagner Welcome back, owen. Did you bring back Mickey Mouse ears for everyone? 12:42 owen o_o o_o o_o o_o o_o 12:42 jwagner :-) 12:43 owen Hm, my chat client turned them into big eyeballs, but those were ascii ears for you. 12:43 gmcharlt_ eew - mouse eyeballs! 12:44 jwagner It sure was quiet around here last week, with everyone gone.... 12:45 * owen couldn't find his keys when it came time to come back to work... Anyone seen them? 12:50 chris_n lol 13:01 jdavidb 0_0 13:11 nengard ack vacations just mean more work in the long run 13:11 nengard so much to catch up 13:11 nengard and i leave again on thurs!!! 13:11 nengard okay - time to log off and do a webinar - be back after 13:18 owen Hm... A Perl conference in my neck of the woods this week: http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ 13:18 owen I'd rush out if they had a track for newbies 13:29 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:41 kf hi jcamins 14:05 jdavidb @quote random 14:05 munin jdavidb: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 12:18 PM, August 06, 2009) 14:11 jdavidb @roulette 14:11 munin jdavidb: *click* 14:12 jdavidb @roulette 14:12 munin jdavidb: *click* 14:12 jdavidb @roulette 14:12 munin jdavidb: *click* 14:12 jdavidb woo hoo! the hoodoo is broken. Munin apparently no longer has it in for me. 14:17 collum famous last words 14:17 jcamins Want to try again, jdavidb, just to make sure... ? 14:20 owen jdavidb or jwagner : Don't know if you know anything about it, but I'm curious what is happening with LibLime's ‡biblios.net. Will it continue? 14:20 jdavidb @roulette 14:20 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 14:20 * jdavidb falls over laughing. 14:21 jcamins Brilliant! Now, was that an answer to owen? 14:21 jdavidb I'm having a sign made for my office door: "The Mushroom Patch." The owen, clever fellow that he is, will realize that as an answer to his question. 14:22 * owen gets it! jdavidb is high. 14:22 jdavidb I should be so lucky. 14:22 owen :D 14:37 * owen wanders into Drupal-land 14:41 * jwagner sends a search party after owen 14:42 * magnus saunters into dinner- and afternoonland 15:08 jwagner owen, online? 15:09 owen Yes 15:09 jwagner I know there's the option of using an alternate opac-XXXX file -- is there any way to use alternatives for the other css files, like hierarchy, print, etc.? 15:10 owen Not that I know of jwagner 15:15 jwagner OK, thanks owen 16:08 kf bye all 16:08 chris_n wizzyrea: for the record... sadistic = anything M$ 16:08 chris_n by kf 16:08 chris_n bye even 16:09 kf bye chris_n :) 16:10 wizzyrea haha 16:10 wizzyrea you don't have to tell me 16:10 wizzyrea the other day I was at a meeting 16:10 wizzyrea we were introducing ourselves, and we had to say the one thing we love about technology 16:10 wizzyrea and I said "I'll work on anything but microsoft" 16:11 wizzyrea "and what I love about technology is that I have the freedom to do that" 16:11 wizzyrea I think the only microsoft thing I use with any kind of regularity is MSN messenger 16:11 wizzyrea and only because I have to 16:30 * LBA waves hello and bye bye - was just checking in 16:48 owen nengard: I don't understand your comment on Bug 4868 16:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4868 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Improve controls for cloning and deleting MARC subfields 16:49 nengard next to repeatable fields there is a + or - ... shouldn't they be those icons as well 16:50 gmcharlt_ yep, having them be the same icons (or similar, maybe different colors or somethign to distinguish between fields and subfields) woudl be more consistent 16:51 * owen is happy to work on that 16:51 nengard sorry i wasn't clearer 16:51 nengard trying to do 1 million things at once 16:52 nengard manual is updated with the latest commits 16:54 * chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not 16:55 collum Now it's 1 million and 1 16:56 jdavidb @quote add *chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not 16:56 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #77 added. 16:56 nengard chris_n sorry that code is locked up in my brain :) hehe 16:57 nengard no one else would ever be able to understand anything that comes out of there 16:57 chris_n lol :) 16:57 nengard but that is like the top question I get when I speak - "how do you keep up with everything?" I honestly have no answers except that I don't sit still well 16:57 nengard I'm always doing smething 16:58 nengard something 17:00 jdavidb @quote random 17:00 munin jdavidb: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 03:12 PM, September 25, 2009) 17:30 jwagner @quote random 17:30 munin jwagner: Quote #31: "<@gmcharlt> but hacking Koha *should* be a restful part of any vacation ;)" (added by chris at 07:31 PM, September 02, 2009) 17:35 cait hi #koha 17:37 hdl bye folks 17:38 owen That's what my vacation lacked: Koha hacking 17:38 cait some people would say its not a vacation when you start hacking koha 17:38 cait but not me ;) I did the geman web installer files in my last vacation 17:49 jwagner vacations? What are those??? 17:49 * chris_n finds the 'V' section of his Webster's is missing.... :-P 17:49 jwagner Probably eaten by vampires... 17:51 cait jwagner: vampires? 17:51 cait twilight vampires or real vampires? 17:51 * jdavidb waves to cait 17:51 jwagner I have a local development involving new indexes and the allocation of three MARC fields for specialized notes. I'm pondering turning it into a submission. I used 591, 592, and 593 MARC fields for this purpose -- do you think it's OK to submit the framework changes to add those fields, or should I use some other (maybe a 9xx)? 17:51 jwagner cait, any kind you like :-) 17:53 jwagner I'm worried about overwriting anything a site might be using locally in 591-592-593 17:55 cait jwagner: are these fields in the framework yet? 17:56 cait when you dont do a database update, libraries using the fields shoudl be fine 17:56 cait but better ask gmcharlt or chris 17:57 cait nengard: working on bug 4900? 17:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4900 critical, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, sys pref useDaysMode misses option Datedue 17:57 jwagner The 59x ones aren't in the framework. But somebody could be using them locally, like I am. 17:57 nengard cait - yes 17:57 cait ah ok, wanted to do that too, will pick on another bug :) 17:58 jcamins As a cataloger, I find 59x for custom note fields vastly preferable to 9xx. I could not speak to the technical issues, however. 17:59 jwagner I was rather curious as to what would happen if I put them into the updatedatabase script, and someone had already created them locally. 17:59 nengard hehe sorry cait 17:59 cait nengard: no problem, I will try 4474 17:59 cait bug 4474 17:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4474 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, sypref singleBranchMode swapped in new syspref editor 18:28 nengard bug 4900 patched 18:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4900 critical, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, sys pref useDaysMode misses option Datedue 18:28 nengard was hard to figure out how to word that preferene :) but i think i did it 18:28 cait oh 18:28 cait thx :) 18:28 cait forgot I would have to change the sentence 18:38 cait hi wizzyrea 18:39 wizzyrea_ Wb 18:43 cait bug 4474 patched 18:43 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4474 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, sypref singleBranchMode swapped in new syspref editor 19:46 * chris goes to catch his bus 19:49 jcamins Is biblio.serial used for anything? 19:50 sekjal jcamins: in theory, it should indicate if the biblio is a serial record or not. but whether it's populated or not depends on your data 19:50 sekjal by default, it maps from the 942s field 19:53 jcamins Does it matter if biblio.serial is set to yes for a monograph record? 19:56 sekjal I'm not sure... my instinct is towards 'no'... but I can't say that authoritatively 19:57 jcamins Okay, well, I'm going to assume it's not a problem, because I can't figure out why it's set to yes in the first place. 20:00 * chris clocks in from the bus 20:00 nengard jcamins i don't think it's a big deal - what it probably does is add the 'subscription' tab to the bib display in the opac and the staff client 20:03 jcamins Thank you. 20:05 sekjal nengard: just tested that, and no, the serial flag alone doesn't seem to add the subscription tab 20:05 nengard oh well - guessed wrong :) 20:05 sekjal I think it may be an older field, from before Zebra 20:08 sekjal it does add a column to the items table in the staff client's biblio detail page, however 20:08 sekjal Publication Details, which I assume is either materials specified or enumchron 20:13 chris Ok nearly my stop bbiab 20:14 cait sekjal: perhaps its used in unimarc, I think there is a serial flag there for items 20:18 caser Greetings! Anyone know anything about bug 3082 - generating a report on the withdrawn status field? 20:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3082 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Guided reports - withdrawn status field not available for selection 20:23 caser I see it's actively being worked on. Does anyone know the location in the database I can query on - to do it manually? 20:28 sekjal caser: items.wthdrawn 20:29 chris back 20:33 cait wb chris 20:33 chris thanks 20:45 caser go it - thanks! 20:45 caser er --got it 20:51 richard hi 20:52 chris hi richard 20:55 chris meeting time bbiab 21:05 jcamins Does anyone have any advice on how to deal with bound-withs? 21:06 jcamins (i.e., two top-level bib records bound together willy-nilly into one binding, thus sharing a barcode and call number) 21:08 jcamins Other than "if you bang your head on the desk hard enough, you'll forget about the bound-withs) 21:08 jcamins *" 21:08 cait jacamins: we use dummy items in hjf 21:09 cait in hfjs library 21:09 cait not a real good solution... but it works and is not too confusing for patrons (I hope) 21:10 jcamins So only the first item has a barcode? 21:10 cait https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=3413 21:10 cait yes 21:10 jcamins I guess that would work for us, since we don't check books out. 21:10 cait and the second item provides a link to the first record 21:11 jcamins Oh, brilliant! 21:11 cait we overwrite bibliographic information in koha with data from our union catalog, so I had to put it in the item 21:11 jcamins I didn't know you could do that. 21:11 cait there is a footnote in the holdings in the union catalog, but its text, nothing you can do a nice link with 21:12 cait perhaps there are better solutions, but its works until I have a better idea :) 21:13 jcamins Fair enough. 21:13 cait you can have items without barcodes, but must be careful when reimporting data. 21:14 jcamins Ideally at some point Koha will support a many-many relationship between items and bibs. 21:14 jcamins In the meantime, I'll take this. 21:17 cait :) 21:18 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:18 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (11:00 PM CEST on June 21, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 21:18 cait rain. what else. 21:18 cait good night all 21:19 jcamins Good night. 21:26 caser 'night all 21:42 pianohack Good afternoon 21:51 chris hi pianohack 21:52 pianohack Hi chris 22:07 chris hmm server restart? or network outage 22:07 pianohack I saw a message about a SIGTERM 22:07 pianohack Services still aren't back up 22:11 * chris_n feels rather bounced 22:11 chris hmm yeah 22:11 richard sorry, server was restarted 22:12 chris yay 22:12 chris pianohack: can you try services now please 22:17 pianohack thar we go 22:17 pianohack thanks chris 22:18 chris cool 22:18 chris_n do services really take that long to recycle? 22:19 chris nope i just told them to restart