Time Nick Message 04:47 cait morning #koha 04:58 chris hiya cait 04:59 cait hi chris 04:59 cait chris++ # for repairing xslt translation 05:07 chris did you test the patch? 05:07 chris i hope it works, it seemed to on the de file i tried 05:09 cait I wll test later 05:09 cait have to finish jsp things first 05:09 cait deadline at noon tomorrow 05:09 chris ahh, good luck 05:10 cait thx :) 05:18 cait staying at home today, will take a break to watch nz later :) 05:21 chris 4 hours til kickoff 05:21 chris :) 05:22 chilts 6 hrs isn't it? 05:22 chilts 11:30 05:23 chilts unless you're talking rugby or something :) 05:25 chris oh yeah 05:25 chris i cant count 05:25 chris i blame the cold medication 05:25 chris 6 hours it is 05:25 chris where are you watching it chilts ? 05:25 cait 12:30 pm here 05:26 cait and get well soon chris! 05:26 chilts I have Sky so at home in a warm lounge :) 05:26 chris ditto 05:26 chris but quietly 05:26 chilts should be three of is (two Brits and a Kiwi) :D 05:26 chilts is=us :) 05:26 * chilts taped the Holland v Denmark match last night and will watch that when he gets home 05:27 chris you dont want to know the score then ? 05:27 chris :) 05:27 chris i saw some of italy v paraguay this morning .. put me back to sleep 05:27 chilts I know them all already, so not too worried :) 05:27 chilts yeah, I was saying last night that Italy bore me 05:28 chris 2 defensive teams 05:28 chris so far germany have played the best football 05:28 chris well according to my uneducated eye 05:29 chilts they have, and Argentina (though they were up against a keeper on fire) 05:29 * chilts always says never rule the Germans out 05:29 chilts ok, hometime :) 05:29 chris cya later 08:41 chris robin: you around? 08:47 cait chris: bug 4892? 08:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4892 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Make the accounts page page, so that the list of records doesn't end up being huge. 08:48 chris yep? 08:48 cait I think its a duplicate to bug 2644 08:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2644 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Paginate Fines 08:48 chris sure looks like it to me 08:48 cait will mark it 08:48 chris thanks 08:48 cait robin send a patch for it 08:49 cait jsp-- *sighs* 08:49 chris yep 08:50 chris although it didnt hit the patches list did it? 08:50 * chris can't see the patch in the archives 08:51 cait hm I got not mail 08:51 cait no 08:51 chris yeah, i think it went missing 08:52 chris ill get robin to resend 08:52 cait :) 08:52 chris he did another patch today as well 08:56 cait which bug? 08:57 chris not sure, ill find out tomorrow :) 09:05 chris @wunder wellington nz 09:05 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (9:00 PM NZST on June 15, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 09:06 chris heh, there is no way its 11 out there 09:13 chris heya robin-hom 09:23 robin-hom chris: hola 09:23 imp heyho, who is in charge for the kohails twitter account? (2x4 times the same tweet...) 09:25 chris you sure they werent retweets? 09:25 kmkale good afternoon 09:25 imp chris: yes, i'm sure, they are all from kohails via dlvr.it and not retweets 09:26 imp chris: just take a look http://twitter.com/kohails 09:26 kmkale From the OPAC, how do I search for all books published before certain year? 09:27 chris yahoo pipes flipping out then 09:27 chris or someones rss feed flipping out .. which causes the same thing 09:27 chris i suspect pipes is doing it 09:28 chris robin-hom: hdl reports those messages arent the queue, might have to try a resend tomorrow 09:28 robin-hom chris: curious. It's strange that I'm not getting a bounce from them. 09:33 chris yeah its weird 09:37 zico hi everyone 09:37 zico it`s nice to see you people here!! :) 09:37 zico this mibbit is great too! :) 09:40 chris kmkale: go to the advanced search 09:41 kmkale chris: and? 09:41 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl 09:41 chris there are instructions there 09:41 zico by the way 09:41 zico i am facing an annoying problem here :D 09:41 kmkale aww I am on 3.00.00 so this is not there 09:41 zico some of my patron cannot issue their books/cds or anything 09:42 zico because, the "confirmation window" does not comes for them 09:42 zico and.. this thing happened for some other users before 09:42 zico but.. it became ok after certain time 09:42 zico this is not black magic, right? 09:42 zico can anyone help me out? 09:42 kmkale chris: any ti: type query I can type in the box on 3.00.00? 09:42 zico i really need your help guys :( 09:43 chris why 3.00.00? not 3.0.6? 09:44 chris kmkale: ill look 09:44 chris zico: there must be some setting 09:44 zico what kind of setting it may be chris? 09:44 zico i mean... this became an uncertainity 09:44 kmkale chris: granthalaya.org is on 3.00.00 and I haven't dared yet to upgrade :( 09:45 zico some times i prayed to my server to make it happen!!! :D 09:45 zico chris: what kind of setting it may be? 09:47 chris zico: not sure, i havent seen it happen ever befor 09:50 chris kmkale: http://granthalaya.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&idx=kw&idx=kw&do=Search&limit-yr=2008-&sort_by=relevance 09:50 chris zico: my guess would be the circulation rules 09:50 kmkale chris: you are great 09:50 kmkale chris++ 09:55 kmkale chris: it does not work though. that search should have got only books after 2008 but it got almost everything. incl this "Date of publication, distribution, etc 1987" 09:55 chris im guessing the indexes dont exist right then 09:58 chris you might need to check what field the yr is being mapped to 09:58 zico :( 09:58 zico is not there any solution?? 09:58 zico i cannot see anything in circulation thing 09:59 kmkale chris: record.abs? 10:00 chris kmkale: yeah 10:01 kmkale chris: look for pubdate? 10:01 chris not sure for 3.0.0 10:02 chris you'll probably need to look at C4/Search.pm find what limit-yr maps to, then find out what marc field that maps to 10:06 kmkale chris: ok. thanks. I have in records.abs "melm 260$c copydate,copydate:s" 10:08 chris st-numeric .. what does that map to? 10:09 kmkale and my pub year is also mapped to 260$c 10:09 kmkale st-numeric looking.. 10:09 chris actually no ignore that 10:10 chris we have to find out what yr is mapped to 10:11 kmkale looking 10:11 cait chris: perhaps 008 10:13 chris or perhaps nothing :) 10:13 cait or that 10:13 chris which might be the problem 10:14 cait I think the pub year option in adv search works with 008. (3.1.61), 260 c can be problematic, not only numbers there 10:15 kmkale chris: # Date of Publication 10:15 kmkale if ( $index eq 'yr' ) { 10:15 kmkale $index .= ",st-numeric"; 10:15 kmkale $indexes_set++; 10:16 chris yep 10:17 chris so what we have to find out is what yr ends up as 10:18 kmkale in records.abs melm 008 date-entered-on-file:n:range(data,0,5),date-entered-on-file:s:range(data,0,5),pubdate:w:range(data,7,4),pubdate:n:range(data,7,4),pubdate:y:range(data,7,4),pubdate:s:range(data,7,4),pl:w:range(data,15,3),ta:w:range(data,22,1),ff8-23:w:range(data,23,1),ff8-29:w:range(data,29,1),lf:w:range(data,33,1),bio:w:range(data,34,1),ln:n:range(data,35,3),ctype:w:range(data,24,4) 10:18 kmkale ,Record-source:w:range(data,39,0) 10:18 chris yep, but how does yr get to be pubdate 10:19 kmkale ????? 10:19 kmkale in Search.pm there are no marc tags mentioned 10:21 cait ccl.properties? 10:22 cait in git: 10:22 cait 332 #Date-publication 31 The date (usually year) in 008/07-10, 260$c 10:22 cait 333 #which a document is published. 046, 533$d 10:22 cait 334 Date-of-publication 1=pubdate r=r 10:22 cait 335 #dp Date-of-publication 10:22 cait 336 yr Date-of-publication 10:22 cait 337 pubdate Date-of-publication 10:22 chris thats it 10:23 chris but we need to check the version in 3.0.0 10:24 chris yep, 008 it is 10:24 cait ... 10:24 cait ;) 10:24 cait ok, need to buy something for lunch bbl 10:24 chris http://granthalaya.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=24077 10:25 chris 9999 10:25 chris thats why 10:25 chris the 008's for the records have bad values 10:26 chris 9999 is much bigger than 2008 10:26 chris :) 11:57 albertos hi all again... 11:57 cait hi albertos 11:57 albertos a question (again..) 11:58 albertos when i edit items in koha 11:58 albertos field "r - Type of item and material " is mandatory 11:58 albertos so... when we fill it with data 11:58 albertos and save its ok 11:58 albertos but when we edit that item... 11:58 albertos that particular field... contains no data 11:59 albertos and we have to enter it again... 11:59 albertos does anyone knows why this is happening? 12:00 cait unimarc? 12:01 albertos yeap 12:04 albertos any suggestions? 12:05 cait using marc21 :( 12:06 albertos oh... 12:06 cait perhaps there is something in the error logs? 12:06 albertos cant find anything (till now) but i'll check again 12:06 albertos is it supposed to happen? 12:07 cait koha to marc mapping? 12:07 cait no, dont think so. 12:07 albertos did changed anything 12:07 cait is it a pulldown or a normal field? 12:07 albertos its in default 12:07 albertos normal field 12:07 cait which koha version? 12:08 albertos 3.0.06 12:10 cait sorry :( 12:10 albertos ok 12:10 albertos i' 12:10 albertos i' ll try to figure it 12:10 albertos and postback 12:10 albertos :-) 12:33 albertos hi again... 12:34 albertos simple question... that i cant find anywhere.. 12:34 albertos how can i display all items in my catalog in backend? 12:34 albertos all entries 12:38 cait not sure what you want to do 12:38 cait all items are displayed at the title 12:39 cait there is no separate view for only items, they are always displayed below the title 12:40 cait title = bibliographic information 12:41 albertos no.. 12:41 albertos i meant all biblios 12:41 albertos like in authorities 12:41 albertos i leave a blank field 12:41 albertos and displays everything 12:41 albertos is there an analog in catalog? 12:45 cait hm I think no 12:45 cait when you leave it blank, you get to adv search 12:45 cait you can try and search on all item types 12:45 cait or if you have the marcorgcode in every title you can search for that 12:45 cait thts what I normally do 12:47 albertos yes... we do that also... 12:47 albertos but there is a need now for displaying the full catalog 12:47 cait not sure how to do it, perhaps one of the developers has an idea 12:52 albertos ps. 12:52 albertos for the "r" field i was talking about before... 12:52 albertos i edited the subfield 12:53 albertos to bind over items.itype 12:53 albertos and its ok now 13:01 cait albertos: hm, itype should be a pulldown 13:02 cait albertos: its very important for loan conditions 13:06 cait albertos: hm, perhaps unimarc is differnet here, but it seems a bit strange to me 13:23 nelsonlib Hey there, I'm looking for some help with the 'Add Item' function of the Batch Label Creator 17:51 cait hi koha 17:52 jwagner Hi cait. Been a _real_ quiet day here.... 17:52 cait hi jwagner 17:53 cait i was alone here half of the day, but left some time ago to do my online exam for distance study 17:53 cait not enough time to finish uml diagram :( *sigh* 17:53 jwagner That doesn't sound like a fun way to spend the day ..... 17:54 cait no 17:55 cait stayed at home today to finish everything, deadline is at noon tomorrow 17:56 cait can only register for the real exam when I pass the online tests 17:57 * cait harrumphs 18:03 jwagner me harrumphs in sympathy 18:05 jwagner What's the exam for -- certification? 18:13 cait Im doing a distance study computer science 18:13 cait bachelor of science in the end... somewhere in the not so near future 18:14 cait my current course is about html/css and javaserver pages 18:15 jwagner Oh, good. You can be our backup to owen for all the OPAC questions :-) 18:16 jwagner (I seem to have a mental block about understanding HTML and CSS....) 18:19 cait I like html and css... but java makes me harrumph ;) 18:22 jwagner I think it has that effect on everyone. But CSS _really_ is incomprehensible to me. 18:23 jwagner And the basic HTML I do know was learned back in the early days and is now completely outdated. Most of the commands I use are now deprecated. Sigh. 18:27 cait @karma java 18:27 munin cait: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 18:27 cait @karma jsp 18:27 munin cait: Karma for "jsp" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5. 18:27 jwagner @karma css 18:27 munin jwagner: css has neutral karma. 18:28 jwagner css-- 18:28 jwagner So There! 18:28 cait my html is outdated too :) html5 is not int he course yet 18:28 cait ooh poor css 18:28 jwagner It deserves it! 18:28 cait jsp-- 18:29 jwagner And while we're at it.... 18:29 jwagner XSLT-- 18:29 jwagner @karma XSLT 18:29 munin jwagner: Karma for "XSLT" has been increased 2 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -1. 18:32 cait we scared hdl away 18:32 jwagner Oh, well.... 18:39 cait wb hdl 18:39 hdl hi cait 18:40 jwagner Hi hdl -- cait was afraid we had scared you off 18:45 chris morning 18:45 chrisd Hi there 18:45 * chris wanders off to get ready for work, bbiab 18:47 chrisd Just wanted to pick your brains here. I've been playing with the Harley Release and all the records that have multiple items attached are not showing up in the OPAC. All the other records are showing up fine. Is this possibly a setting? 18:47 jwagner Shouldn't be -- URL for an example? 18:48 chrisd I dont' have it public. I'm on a local test server 18:48 jwagner Do you mean the title itself doesn't show in the OPAC? or just the items? 18:49 chrisd The title 18:49 jwagner But other titles do show up OK? 18:49 chrisd yeah, all the titles with only one item show up fine...weird 18:50 jwagner Definitely odd -- I've never seen that one in testing. Maybe you could send me a couple of sample records (one single, one multiple)? 18:51 chrisd Be glad to. How do you want me to send them? Also, I was wondering if it might have something to do with OPACITEMHOLDS 18:52 jwagner attach the MARC records to email -- jwagner@ptfs.com 18:52 jwagner I don't think it would have to do with that syspref, but I'll take a look 18:55 jwagner I just verified on one of our test systems, and titles with multiple titles show up fine. Are these for different branches? Do you have independent branches on maybe? 18:55 jwagner multiple items, that is 18:57 chrisd same branches. We have multiple branches but the mulivolume sets (items) are usually all at the same branch. 18:57 chrisd i'm working on getting the item records. 18:58 jwagner Do an export from your Koha system under Tools, so I can see all the item info that's there now. 18:58 chrisd ok 19:01 jwagner Forgot to ask, you can search & see these titles in staff mode? 19:02 chrisd yes i can see the titles in staff mode 19:03 jwagner I have an idea, then, but I need to see the item data to confirm 19:03 chrisd i'm sending it right now 19:09 jwagner Well, that wasn't it.... We have an item suppression feature that makes use of subfield i in the item record -- if all items on a title are marked as suppressed, the title is also suppressed in the OPAC. However, your items don't have a 952 subfield i. Nor do you have a 942 title suppression that I can see. I'm puzzled... 19:11 chrisd I'm going to try to shut the OPACItemholds off and see what happens. 19:12 chrisd Didn't work... :-( 19:12 jwagner If you make any kind of edit to one of the hidden titles, and wait for zebra to pick it up, does the title then show in the OPAC? 19:13 chrisd let me try..hold on a sec. i'll make a change and run rebuild_zebra 19:18 chrisd No luck...bummer 19:19 * wizzyrea notes that harley is the ptfs only release, and that all mainline koha releases are done through download.koha-community.org 19:20 wizzyrea not judgin, just sayin. 19:20 jwagner Hrmm. We probably need jdavidb's input, and he's off work today. 19:22 chrisd ok. I'll check back another time. I'm just playing around to see what it can do. :-) 19:22 jwagner chris_n, online? 19:24 chrisd jwagner. Thanks for the help 19:24 jwagner Apparently not :-( wizzyrea, have you played with his label feature? 19:24 wizzyrea some 19:25 jwagner That's more than I have :-) Question from one of our sites -- does it have the ability to print set of labels -- 2 disparate label types on the same sheet of label paper 19:25 wizzyrea hmm 19:26 wizzyrea jwagner: i'm not sure, actually. It seems fairly flexible but I'm having a hard time visualizing what exact type of output you/they are looking for 19:27 wizzyrea I have a 3.2 test server if you'd like to play around with it. 19:27 jwagner I imagine they want to print, say, a spine label and a back-of-book label at the same time. 19:28 wizzyrea hm, I think you can do something like use the same batch for different templates, but I'm not sure you can do both on the same sheet 19:29 jwagner I didn't remember ever hearing about that capability, but I might not have beenpaying attention.... 19:29 wizzyrea well it seems rather like a relatively fringe scenario to me 19:30 wizzyrea but what do I know 19:30 chris you can do same batch for different templates 19:30 chris but yeah,having a template that has 2 different types of labels on it ... might be possible, but sounds like something that is far more likely to go wrong than right 19:30 wizzyrea the templating bit seems to be predicated on the same format being replicated on every label on the sheet 19:31 chris and might be solving a problem that doesnt need to be solved 19:31 wizzyrea lemme guess... 19:31 wizzyrea sirsi did it? 19:31 wizzyrea ;) 19:31 wizzyrea or iii 19:31 chris i for one am sick of that as a reason for doing things 19:32 wizzyrea well, they do some things very well, but the very best ILS fits the product to the librarian, not the librarian to the product (which is what sirsi did very well... making people's workflow match the ils, not the other way around) 19:33 wizzyrea (imo) 19:33 chris they might do things well 19:33 chris and thats the reason to do it 19:33 chris not that they did it 19:33 chris ie, lets do things because they are good ideas 19:33 wizzyrea ya 19:33 chris and realise some things just arent 19:33 jwagner It's for a site with a very odd workflow. Before we go back & say "you're going to have to change your workflow" I wanted to verify existing options. 19:34 wizzyrea I agree with that sentiment. 19:34 wizzyrea aha 19:34 wizzyrea I'm glad to know that I don't have the only really crazy workflows in my system :) 19:34 wizzyrea er, odd. 19:34 chris heh 19:35 chris my favourite clients are always the ones who realise a new library system is the perfect time to examine their business practices and decide if things make sense, or if they are just doing things cos thats how they do things 19:36 jwagner I am running out of astonishment capacity for what various librarians think are absolutely necessary processes.... 19:36 chris yeah, it really is pretty amazing eh jwagner 19:36 chris if i cant press f8 on this page, god kills a kitten 19:36 wizzyrea lol 19:37 wizzyrea we have a library that has a collection of kids books (duplicate to their normal collection) just for storytime 19:37 wizzyrea they are marked not for loan 19:37 wizzyrea but they want to hide these items from the opac 19:37 wizzyrea so patrons can't see that they have them 19:37 chris ummm 19:37 wizzyrea we're like, why? 19:37 chris yeah 19:38 wizzyrea what's the harm in showing your patrons that you have another copy, in your professional collection, that you don't loan? 19:38 chris_n jwagner: there were some vestigial capabilities like that in the very old labels code, but they did not work well and I have not had time to add such to the new code 19:38 wizzyrea i mean, they're clearly marked in the OPAC 19:38 wizzyrea it was def a facepalm moment. 19:38 jwagner Thanks, chris_n, just wanted to verify current functionality 19:38 chris_n jwagner: it could certainly be done, however 19:38 jwagner shhhh. Let's not encourage them :-) 19:39 * chris_n thinks most anything can be done... its just a question of buffer overrun 19:39 jwagner Actually, that by itself wouldn't be a problem, but some of the OTHER stuff they want to do.... 19:39 cait clear passswords? 19:40 jwagner cait, go stand in a corner! 19:40 chris heh ive had that one 19:40 chris_n jwagner: the "alternating" layout type is part of the vestigial stuff 19:40 chris we want to be able to email ppl their lost passwords 19:40 chris 'how about no?' 19:40 cait oooh 19:40 chris_n but the template code does not accommodate that layout type atm 19:40 jwagner If the client insists, and pays us to do it, we'll do it. But we REALLY STRONGLY pointed out to them that it was a Bad Idea, and were quite glad to be able to kill it in the end. 19:41 wizzyrea ok, a password recovery function might be useful 19:41 wizzyrea just sayin 19:41 chris yes thats fine 19:41 wizzyrea but that's diff from emailing the password 19:41 chris thats what i suggested, and yep it will be in 3.4 19:41 wizzyrea wahoo 19:41 cait nice 19:41 wizzyrea ! 19:41 wizzyrea sorry, that came off less excited than i actually was 19:41 jwagner Speaking of labels, though, I remember a bug from early last year with searching by acquisition date in creating a batch. I know it was fixed, but I can't find the bug report. Ring any bells for anyone? 19:42 chris along with temporary passwords 19:42 wizzyrea luv 19:42 chris_n jwagner: I never could find the bug either 19:42 jwagner chris, yes, that would be a nice feature. 19:42 chris ok bus time 19:42 chris_n but it works in the current head afaik 19:42 * chris_n heads back off to finish an estimate.. yuk 19:42 wizzyrea someone was in here yesterday asking about 3.0.6 and not being able to search by acq date 19:43 jwagner Hmmm. I thought I remembered a specific patch, but it's been a while. I'll dig deeper when I get a chance. 19:43 chris_n I think the problem with 3.0.x is a data formatting issue 19:43 wizzyrea ok wish me luck I'm about to blow shit up. 19:43 wizzyrea er 19:43 wizzyrea stuff. 19:43 wizzyrea sorry. 19:43 wizzyrea where stuff = my koha install 19:43 jwagner wizzyrea, need some help? I feel like doing that too :-) 19:43 wizzyrea >.> 19:43 wizzyrea <.< 19:43 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:43 * jwagner reminds wizzyrea that backups are a Good Thing 19:44 cait is there development to make odue notices listen to the calendar/holidays? 19:44 wizzyrea hehe, my koha install is really nothing to write home about 19:44 * chris_n hands wizzyrea a pair of safety glasses 19:44 wizzyrea but I will back up all the same 19:44 jwagner cait, in what sense? Not to send an overdue on a holiday date? 19:45 cait exactly 19:45 cait send it on the next opening day instead 19:45 cait like fines 19:45 jwagner Hmmm. I'm not sure I see the reasoning. If it's overdue, why not send the notice even if it's a holiday? they can always wait to check their email until the next day. 19:46 cait I have to time fines and notices to the same day 19:46 cait with weekly fine interval, fines work nice, but notices are a problem 19:46 cait when there is a holiday in the week it gets out of sync 19:47 jwagner Ah. That's a different issue. I don't know of any development along those lines, but it shouldn't be too hard to do. We did something similar for hold expiration, so the pickup expiration date didn't fall on a calendar holiday 19:47 cait because we have weekly fine intervals and you want to tell them: you have x fines on your books now 19:48 cait and Im testing with negative grace periods now... I really hope it worked 19:48 cait because with fine interval 5 and grace period 0 the first fine is set five days after due date 19:50 cait hm will think about it tomorrow 20:09 jwagner chris, back yet? 20:14 wizzyrea heya LBA 20:14 LBA yo 20:14 wizzyrea how you doin today 20:15 LBA good! getting the hang of the world of IRC - it rocks! 20:15 wizzyrea :D 20:22 LBA anyone know if I can connect to two different IRC servers/channels using Pidgin? 20:22 LBA at the same time... 20:29 wizzyrea I think you can 20:29 richard hi 20:29 wizzyrea hi richard 20:33 chris back 20:33 chris sup jwagner 20:33 chris LBA: yeah you can 20:34 jwagner Just a followup on that patron password you were talking about -- for 3.4, is it going to have the ability to force a password change? 20:34 chris the temporary ones? yep 20:34 jwagner Like if staff resets a password, the next time the patron logs into the OPAC they have to change it? 20:34 chris yep 20:34 chris exactly like that 20:34 jwagner GREAT 20:35 jwagner Will that also take effect for when patrons are created/loaded for the first time? 20:35 chris yep 20:35 jwagner When we load patron data & set a default password, it would be nice to make them change it 20:35 chris if you set it 20:35 chris it'll be a simple as a switch, basicaly its a one time login switch 20:36 jwagner In the patron record, like a radio button or something? 20:36 chris LBA: if you plan to use irc a bit, i recommend looking into something like bip 20:36 chris jwagner: yep, something like htat 20:36 jwagner Terrific. Will look forward to it :-) 20:36 LBA hi chris. pidgin won't let me start up another channel on another server... 20:37 chris LBA: you should be able to just make another 'account' 20:37 * chris tries 20:38 LBA that's what I thought but it isn't working for me 20:39 moodaepo LBA: Works for me on Ubuntu I'm connected to koha and evergreen on diff servers 20:39 chris hmm that seems to work 20:43 LBA welllll, guess, I'll go out and see if I can do it the other way around. I'm trapped on this server so far.... 20:43 * LBA back later 20:47 jwagner G'night, all.... 20:50 pianohack Hi, lowercase jo 20:51 jo hiya 20:53 chris hi jo 20:53 cait good night #koha 20:53 * LBA applauds. got three channels going. 20:54 LBA nighty night cait 20:54 cait night LBA 21:02 chris LBA: gonna stick round for the meeting in 50 minutes or so? 21:07 LBA chris, yes, I'll be here. 21:07 chris cool 21:08 LBA by accident :-[ 21:08 chris its the kohacon volunteers meeting, so not a full community one 21:08 LBA okay, happy to lurk. 21:52 russ 3 mins to KohaCon volunteers meeting 21:56 russ ok start time 21:56 chris cool 21:56 russ KohaCon10 volunteers meeting starting now 21:56 russ first up - who is here for the meeting 21:56 chris me 21:56 * russ -> Russel Garlick, Catalyst 21:57 chris it might be just you and me as nicole is on the road and most of nz is asleep after watching football all night 21:57 chris jo was about 21:57 russ and fair enough 21:57 russ be a nice quick meeting then :-) 21:57 chris jo ? 21:57 jo yep 21:58 chris cool 21:58 jo sorry just getting update on fuinances 21:58 chris sweet thanks 21:58 Nate can I be of any assistance? 21:58 jo can you make coffee? 21:58 chris you can point out when our schemes are mad Nate :) 21:58 Nate Great will do! 21:59 chris ill do a quick run down on the programme 21:59 chris calls for talks closed last night nz time 21:59 chris and we are totally filled up 21:59 chris so thats great 21:59 jo brillliant :) 21:59 russ excellnet 21:59 chris next step is emailing all the people and confirming they can/are still coming 22:00 chris then ill get more ppl to check the programme, we might shuffle some things around 22:00 chris but its looking pretty good 22:00 chris have some neat talks 22:00 jo waves 22:00 chris yay its Brooke :) 22:00 Brooke howdy sorry I'm late 22:00 russ np 22:00 jo the programme looks good 22:01 jo and lots of time for networking and talking too 22:01 chris anyone who wants to see it, lemme know your google account email address and ill add ya 22:01 chris yeah i tried not to make the days too crammed 22:01 russ chris: nicole has offered to help with the emailing the presenters 22:01 jo good idea 22:01 chris cos hallwaycon is the most important part 22:01 russ heh 22:01 jo yep 22:01 Brooke *nod* 22:02 russ ok so plan is to contact the presenters in the next 2 weeks, get them to confirm 22:02 chris cool 22:02 Brooke LITA's schedule was great in terms of how they made it fold behind a namebadge. Not so great in terms of font size. 22:02 chris heya BobB 22:02 jo hi Bob 22:02 russ and then we can start publishing to the website 22:03 jo that might generate more registrations too 22:03 chris we can ask bob right now, save an email :) 22:03 BobB Good morning all. Well done NZ for draw with Slovakia. Very exciting. 22:03 Brooke indeed beat me to it :D 22:03 jo lots of NZ-soccer hangovers today 22:03 russ jo: yeah 22:04 russ the plan is to get some info up on the site early july 22:04 chris BobB: we are going to be emailing speakers over the next 2 weeks, to confirm they can still do their talks, you are good to go with yours? 22:04 jo or headaches for lack of sleep thanks to ratbag twins, 1 of which stayed up very late and the other got up very earlytwin 22:04 russ and then start the registration drive 22:04 BobB If you want the paper, I'm happy to do it. 22:05 chris yeah its a timely and good topic 22:05 jo is there a list of registratnts received already 22:05 jo Bob: great topic 22:05 chris i have one 22:05 jo k 22:06 jo Finances now? 22:06 russ jo: yep 22:06 jo we have $2280.66 still in the nbank 22:06 jo next payment is $1046 on the 25th July so thats covered 22:07 chris cool 22:07 Brooke ++ 22:07 chris some of that is earmarked i think too, the stuff from lee anyway 22:07 jo a final payment of $2092 will be due on 25/09 and we will be bit a bit short for that one. 22:07 russ jo: i know there is still a contribution to come in 22:07 chris yep catalyst is covering that 22:07 jo great 22:08 jo Donations recd from: Bywater, Magnes, Calyx, Miguel and Equinox 22:08 chris and frederic from tamil was offering some sponsorship, which would allow for some morning teas, ill follow up with him on that 22:08 chris right, so to come - biblibre, catalyst and lee from montana 22:09 chris those are the ones i know about 22:09 jo I am planning to give $500 from HLT as well 22:09 jo but will be next budget now 22:09 chris and maybe tamil 22:10 russ I have been turned down by 2 other orgs (at the moment :-)) 22:10 russ but it all appears to be in hand 22:10 jo for cash or services? 22:10 chris i was thinking to ask nicole to ask her publisher 22:10 chris if they would donate a couple of copies of her book 22:11 russ jo: cash - which is fine, there are some other orgs who have indicated they can help in other ways 22:11 russ and i will contact them closer to the time 22:11 BobB chris: great idea 22:11 jo I'd love to see a few libraries donating too - not heaps - but a token. everyone knows conferences cost to run 22:11 jo russ: cool. 22:11 chris also the library bar here in wellington 22:12 chris seems foolish not to ask them to sponsor a round 22:12 jo True.would there be any WCC money or 22:12 BobB chris: beer for me thanks. :) 22:12 jo digital innovation / initiatoive / busineees house money around from WCC? 22:13 chris http://thelibrary.co.nz/ 22:13 chris jo: i doubt it 22:13 jo well it looks like we'll be okayish 22:13 Brooke they'll come out 9 rounds ahead if you ask me, at least. 22:13 chris jo: yeah we'll be fine 22:14 chris Brooke: yeah, exactly 22:14 russ chris: agreed 22:14 BobB I guess WCC is the city council? They might help you with tourist info or other stuff if we will try to put a satchel together? 22:14 russ thanks again to tall teh sponsors 22:14 chris BobB: good idea 22:14 chris tourism wellington, or wotzon.com 22:14 chris might help out with that 22:14 Brooke ++ russ, it's good to see real cooperation 22:15 jo Word is our council will be sponsoring the reception up our way 22:15 chris nice 22:15 BobB Jo: very nice! 22:15 jo i think so - i hoped so but you never can tell with council's 22:15 Brooke hey there jesse 22:15 chris true 22:16 jo hi Jesse 22:16 jo KohaCon registrations and financial commitment is open now. 22:16 Brooke what's their fiscal year? 22:16 Brooke that can often have a lot to do with donations and sponsorships? 22:16 jo Brooke: council run July - June 22:16 BobB So ask now and if no go ask again in July. 22:17 Brooke *nod* 22:17 Brooke exactly 22:17 jo bit of a glitch with the hotel rooms lost but lining up a different one now (and prices went up too much so I'm calm about the change) 22:18 pianohac1 Hi Brooke 22:18 Brooke if you want help hotel wrangling, I'll help 22:18 jo What else do we need to cover now? 22:18 Brooke those guys often offer group discounts that are higher than online rates, and it's a pet peeve 22:18 jo Thanks Brooke - I';ve got a travel agent on it and her prices were miles better than I could get 22:19 jo but I will bear that advice in mind 22:20 jo Russ: do want to know about equipment ie that I have a prohjector and screen I can bring down? 22:20 russ sorry team i have to head off to another meeting 22:20 russ jo: send me an email 22:20 russ we have some stuff here 22:20 jo Are we done now or what else needs to be covered? 22:20 russ i think we are done 22:20 chris av gear is what we need 22:20 Brooke dunno if anyone said this 22:20 Brooke or noticed 22:20 Brooke but em 22:21 Brooke a long time ago when animals could talk, I offered to see if I could get us listed on this amazing Library Conference site 22:21 Brooke that has like every conference every where 22:21 chris oh yeah 22:21 Brooke that's even remotely LIS 22:21 Brooke Wellllll 22:21 russ jo: if you know anyone with radio mics/speakers/sound desk 22:21 Brooke I went to check it out 22:21 Brooke and it was already there 22:21 jo :) 22:21 russ i am going to talk to a couple of mates in bands here 22:21 jo how are registrations going Chris? 22:21 Brooke so good job somebody and or the dude's own research 22:21 russ they won't be using their gear during the day 22:22 jo Russ: cool. 22:22 russ ok to recap 22:22 BobB Jo: how are the numbers for the roadtrip? Will you fit on one bus? 22:22 jo Bob: I have 1 confirmed. 22:22 chris russ: sweet 22:22 russ Call for papers closed - programme full - Chris, Russ and Nicole will coordinate contacting presenters 22:23 chris jo: bout 45 at the mo 22:23 russ Goal is to publish programme as soon as possible 22:23 jo I'm planning 12 in a van with a trailer for luggage. 22:23 chris thats not counting quite a few ppl i know are coing 22:23 jo Chris: ok 22:23 chris its 95% overseas 22:23 jo Bob: I know of 6 or so who are keen 22:23 jo and Mark from Albany has access to a second van if we need more seats 22:23 Brooke <--- is keen, and must show Jo the money! 22:24 russ Next Meeting time: I want to confirm with nicole when she is availble 22:24 BobB Jo: OK. Sounds like Irma and I can come direct to Wellington. 22:24 jo Brooke: yep :) 22:24 russ once I have talked to her i will publish the next meeting time 22:24 jo Bob: that would be by far the easist for you 22:24 chris BobB: nice, yeah on virginblue? 22:24 * russ has to go 22:24 russ thanks everyone 22:24 jo cya Russ 22:24 Brooke watch the food! That's the infamous Richard airline sorta 22:24 chris cya russ 22:25 BobB Chris: on Qantas using points, I think. 22:25 chris cool 22:25 jo Brooke: I need to confirm the booking on 30th June so really do need reistrations in the next fortnight 22:25 jo if I only get 3 or 4 I'll just use my own car 22:26 Brooke yes m 22:27 BobB When the program is out CALYX will start promoting to customers and interested others. We hope some Aussies will cross the ditch. 22:28 BobB Any registered yet, Chris? 22:28 chris lemme check 22:28 chris nope 22:29 BobB Hmmmm. OK. 22:30 chris but yeah, free conferences ppl are always slow to register 22:30 chris after we get the programme up and do some publicity, im sure we will get a flurry 22:32 BobB Irma asks whether any translations are needed? 22:33 BobB Also, will anyone need language support at the conference? 22:33 chris hmmm 22:33 chris not sure on both accounts 22:33 chris i dont think so 22:33 chris but 22:33 chris i think it would be nice if we got a list of who speaks what 22:34 chris so that if we do need help we have an idea who to ask 22:34 chris i think with paul and irma we have french covered :) 22:34 BobB Irma can help with French and German, for example 22:35 chris cool, how about we do a page on the wiki 22:35 chris and ask people to fill it in 22:35 jo thats a great idea Bob :) 22:35 BobB Jo: Irma's idea. But thx. 22:38 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon10_Translators 22:38 Brooke sping! 22:38 chris maybe someone could send an email out about that page 22:38 chris and get ppl to fill it in 22:38 BobB chris: too cool for school! 22:39 BobB chris: I'll ask Irma to do that if you like. 22:39 chris fab 22:40 chris i think pretty much everything else is under control .. anyone have anything else? 22:40 reed (so, meant to be present for the kohacon thing -- did I miss anything?) 22:41 reed (er - get anything assigned to me?) 22:41 chris you are running the sausage sizzle 22:41 chris but apart from that, no 22:41 chris :) 22:42 Brooke okay 22:42 Brooke someone sent a message about the translation 22:44 chris heh 22:44 jo thanks folks - i have to dash 22:44 jo agenda to get out 22:44 chris cya jo 22:44 Brooke thanks jo 22:44 BobB Thanks all. Its sounding good. 22:44 Brooke I'm getting more psyched the closer it gets 22:45 chris BobB: if you ahve a google login and want to see the programme lemme know 22:45 chris and ill add you 22:45 BobB Will do that by email Chris. Thx. 22:46 BobB Must go now. Cheers. 22:46 chris reed: you can be our american translator 22:47 Brooke yank to kiwi filtre, engage! 22:49 reed oh bloody hell 22:49 Brooke cheers folks, feel free to assign me gopher duties 22:49 chris thanks Brooke 22:49 Brooke pfft thank me when I do summat :P 23:00 pianohac1 Anyone using Koha with the latest ubuntu? 23:26 robin OK Koha people, we need a snappy term for the librarian side of the system, like OPAC is for the client side. I'm sick of writing synonyms for 'librarian interface' :) 23:27 larsw I've seen and used "intranet" in a few places 23:28 larsw . o O (/me dares not suggest Librarian Interface Web) 23:28 chris i say staff side 23:29 chris usually 23:29 larsw oh, that's short and clear 23:32 robin chris: that doesn't work inside a company: everyone is staff 23:33 chris library staff 23:34 chris it works for opus 23:35 larsw OPAC is Open Public Access Catalog; STAFF is Secret Tool And Fiddling Facility... that should be clear enough for everyone 23:44 pianohac2 consistent wording is boring 23:45 pianohac2 It should be different in each document, to keep the librarians alert 23:47 chris_n how about Librarian's Information Entry System aka LIES 23:47 * chris_n ducks 23:47 larsw haha