Time Nick Message 23:26 chris ahh fun :) 23:26 wasabi end-of-year stats-reporting day 23:25 wasabi heya, waves from kapiti... 22:32 chris hi mason 22:06 chris night cait 22:06 cait good night all 22:06 cait jsp-- 22:00 chris heh 22:00 munin cait: Karma for "jsp" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. 22:00 cait @karma jsp 20:52 chris hiya cait 20:51 cait good morning nz :) 20:47 larsw good morningses 20:46 wizzyrea_lapt-1 heya 20:46 chris back 20:15 * cait thinks owen's code is great 20:13 * owen has contributed enough crappy code to the world for today 20:13 wizzyrea he 20:11 owen Heh... I've been here: http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2010/06/simply-explained.html 20:11 wizzyrea i'm gonna limpy gimpy for a while. 20:10 wizzyrea gah blast. it's kind of like losing an arm. Or a toe. 20:04 wizzyrea heh, no 20:03 owen No progress wizzyrea ? 20:03 * wizzyrea mutters 19:45 cait hi all 19:43 chris bus time 19:31 schuster by all - wizzyrea_mib hope you day/week gets better. 18:58 chris hehe 18:58 joetho I think I have been awake longer than you. 18:57 chris :) 18:56 chris ahh, in that case 1/1000 18:56 joetho $5,000 USD 18:55 chris stink thats like 1/100 of a mac 18:55 joetho backups yes, but a $5k deductible 18:55 chris backups and insurance i assume 18:54 joetho plus they think they have a line on the perps 18:54 chris :) 18:54 joetho so it must not be that big of a crisis 18:54 joetho where they were discussing their plans for distributing movie license info. 18:54 chris nice work :) 18:54 joetho I called her and got her out of a staff meeting 18:53 chris they know what sells :) everyone just copies windows anyway 18:53 joetho *took* their snowleopard etc 18:53 joetho heh heh heh Liz just told me the robbers to their snowleopard install disk but left the win7 18:45 chris man, stnk about nekls 18:45 chris cool 18:44 gmcharlt yep 18:43 chris heya gmcharlt, all finished in pittsburgh? 18:43 chris_n heya chris 18:43 gmcharlt hi chris 18:40 chris morning 18:23 * chris_n is working on a bot to maintain some channel ops 18:23 joetho rock_n_roll 18:23 brendan chris_n_bot sounds like puss_n_boots 18:22 joetho I am also using jolicloud, which seems a bit slower. 18:21 joetho owen- I like ubuntu remix too, but it is customized for mini laptops (mine is an asus 1000he). And you may want a faster processor for what you are considering- mine is 1.66 I think. 18:09 sekjal gmcharlt: ah, okay. 18:07 gmcharlt sekjal: yes - ensuring that sufficient testing gets done to avoid unexpected chagnes to effective circ poicy during upgrade 18:06 sekjal gmcharlt: is there particular difficulty replacing references to HomeOrHoldingBranch with ones to CircControl? 18:05 tomascohen ?? 18:05 tomascohen has anyone been involved in IsMemberBlocked 18:04 tomascohen hi everyone, we're trying to figure out a strange behaviour en circulation 18:02 jwagner Couldn't tell from the bug report -- was the patch in 3536 pushed to head? 18:01 gmcharlt jwagner: homeorholdbrach will have to stay in for 3.2 18:01 chris_n ^^ used to be me as well 18:00 munin chris_n: Karma for "fbcit" has been increased 27 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 27. 18:00 chris_n @karma fbcit 18:00 brendan ah that's a nice number 18:00 munin brendan: Karma for "chris_n" has been increased 60 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 60. 18:00 brendan @karma chris_n 18:00 * chris_n trolls for karma ;-) 18:00 jdavidb chris_n++ 18:00 brendan ;) 18:00 brendan chris_n++ 17:58 brendan hi 17:58 * jdavidb waves to brendan 17:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt 17:57 jwagner gmcharlt, how about Bug 3536? It says patches were sent in December, creating a syspref homeorholdingbranch, but in current head, that syspref says it will be removed soon. 17:53 jdavidb owen: in re: laptops, I specifically *don't* suggest an Asus eeePC 900 as a dev platform. I got Koha breathing on it once, mostly to see if I could. There was a fair bit of pain and suffering involved, and it was slow as Christmas. 17:51 jdavidb woo hoo! 17:51 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 17:51 jdavidb @roulette 17:44 wizzyrea_mib I can confirm that the changes there were good 17:44 jwagner OK, thanks. 17:44 gmcharlt NEKLS has been looking at those 17:44 gmcharlt jwagner: AFAIK, the prelimiary stuff is OK to push, so I'll do so 17:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3344 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting 17:42 jwagner Bug 3344 says you put preliminary patches for it and 4224 on your git repo -- did these ever get finished & pushed to head? 17:42 gmcharlt what's up? 17:41 gmcharlt jwagner: no, on a chair :) 17:41 jwagner gmcharlt, online? 17:41 rhcl owen: I have Ubuntu remix running quite happily on a Compaq Mini 110 and a Dell Mini 10v netbook. The wireless connection even works better than on XP. (Dual-boot). 17:13 owen He does, jdavidb can tell you 17:12 munin brendan: *click* 17:12 brendan @roulette 17:12 brendan so munin has OPS now - I wonder if that means munin will start kicking people with roulette 17:01 owen Speaking of laptops, I'm considering investing in an inexpensive PC laptop to install Linux on for Koha dev. Anyone know if I should be looking at anything in particular? 16:57 wizzyrea_robbed ok back later 16:52 wizzyrea_robbed yea, I can appreciate a good laptop lock 16:35 chris_n something like: http://us.kensington.com/html/11204.html 16:34 * chris_n suggests a laptop lock 16:29 * jdavidb mumbles. 16:29 wizzyrea_robbed I had such grand plans for this day 16:29 * wizzyrea_robbed mutters 15:56 wizzyrea_robbed there may be new mac hardware this week, that's a silver lining 15:56 wizzyrea_robbed so that's a silver lining 15:56 wizzyrea_robbed :) 15:56 wizzyrea_robbed though thanks to IRC we can pinpoint and prove when the robbery happened 15:55 wizzyrea_robbed ya, it really is 15:53 jwagner_meeting wizzyrea_robbed, what a rotten way to start the week :-( 15:50 wizzyrea_robbed most of our stuff is in the cloud now anyway 15:49 wizzyrea_robbed sucky, PC computers, but they work 15:48 rhcl ah 15:48 wizzyrea_robbed we have a lab full of computers 15:47 wizzyrea_robbed I appreciate the offer, but I think we're going to be ok 15:47 wizzyrea_robbed well, we are only staff 15:45 rhcl Can you borrow enough computers from your branches to get by for a while? 15:45 rhcl wizzy: is there anything we can do to help? 15:43 wizzyrea_robbed gah changing all of your passwords sucks. 15:34 kf :) 15:34 chris_n bye even 15:34 chris_n by kf 15:33 kf bye all 14:39 wizzyrea_robbed heh yea 14:36 jdavidb ugh. 14:35 wizzyrea_robbed only stuff that would be easy to pawn 14:34 wizzyrea_robbed too heavy 14:34 wizzyrea_robbed nah, they didnt' steal any of the servers 14:34 * jdavidb is glad that NEKLS is not self-hosted, then... 14:34 wizzyrea_robbed projectors 14:34 wizzyrea_robbed our loanable Wii 14:34 wizzyrea_robbed the old iMac on the tech's desk 14:33 wizzyrea_robbed practically everybody's laptop, my new iMac 14:33 wizzyrea_robbed they took lots of stuff 14:33 wizzyrea_robbed oh yea 14:29 jdavidb Did they take a bunch of stuff, wizzyrea, or was it a snatch-and-grab-what-was-handy? 14:29 schuster Talk about digital investigation! Too bad it wasn't video chat you could have gotten the culprit! 14:27 jdavidb er..22:40. 14:27 jdavidb That'd be..uhm...23:40 CT on the 5th. 14:27 jdavidb yep. 03:40 UTC on 6 June. (It's currently 14:29 UTC, if that helps you with time calculations) 14:26 chris_n yes 14:26 wizzyrea_robbed I could just go look 14:26 wizzyrea_robbed oh do the logs show disconnects? 14:25 * wizzyrea_robbed has been through this before. 14:25 wizzyrea_robbed :) 14:25 wizzyrea_robbed so we know when they unplugged my computer 14:25 wizzyrea_robbed at NEKLS 14:25 wizzyrea_robbed my comp was on IRC 14:24 chris_n home or library 14:24 gmcharlt :( 14:24 wizzyrea_robbed but 14:24 wizzyrea_robbed yea, literally 14:24 chris_n robbed??!! 14:24 owen wizzyrea_robbed: Not literally robbed I hope?! 14:24 wizzyrea_robbed thanks :) 14:24 jdavidb I'll check the logs, wizzyrea 14:24 wizzyrea_robbed does anybody have scrollback and tell me what time "wizzyrea" went offline 14:23 wizzyrea_robbed I have a strange favor to ask 14:23 wizzyrea_robbed hey there 14:19 chris_n Elwell++ 14:13 Elwell right, stabbing-over-IP for the next person who writes bad POD :-) 13:59 chris_n reva: np, glad to help 13:59 reva chris_n and owen: thanks for your patience and kind help. 13:58 reva chris_n and owen: ok, will be starting on this by tomorrow. Will get back here as I encounter mystery. (or is it for sorcery help as Ubuntu site has it?):) 13:55 reva chris_n: got that on production. It seemed like an expression frm manufactory, that's all. 13:55 chris_n yes 13:54 reva chris_n: another very very basic question: what does go into production mean, when you are installing a Library Management system? Does it mean that you are installing and building a real database in it for real use? 13:53 chris_n reva: yes on the hard drive question 13:52 reva chirs_n: our standards officer who doubles as our resident IT person also has some experience in Virtual Box. So that should work. 13:51 reva chris_n: thanks. and thanks for the tutorial link also. Ok so it can reside on the hard drive on our "server"? 13:50 chris_n also, you don't need to burn the iso, the virtual machine will mount it in file form 13:50 chris_n here is a tutorial for ubuntu, which is very nearly the same as debian: http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-1.html 13:50 chris_n I have used Virtual Box some, but cannot comment on which is best due to limited experience 13:47 reva christ_n: Ok, I will burn that on to a dvd RW disk, correct? Which virtual machine software do you recommend? VMWare or Virtual Box? Ok, got that about the instruction manual. (New to virtual anything here, so the very basic questions. Pardon me.) 13:46 chris_n reva: there are many tutorials for installing koha; some of them are referenced on the community site 13:45 chris_n then do the koha tar ball 13:45 chris_n when you install the virtualmachine software you can point it to that iso to have it install debian 13:45 reva chris_n:Great. so the instructions for all the steps are also in the community site, correct? 13:45 chris_n ahh... you'll need to download the iso image of debian from the debian site 13:44 chris_n so get your virtualmachine setup and then download the tar ball, extract, and read the appropriate INSTALL file 13:44 reva Oh, that solves the riddle. Thanks chris_n. 13:43 chris_n reva: the INSTALL files will be in the 3.0.6 tar ball you download from downloads.koha-commuinity.org 13:42 reva chris_n: Or, is the virtual Debian I download a tarball file? 13:42 reva chris_n: you mean when I download from Debian from their site, or the Kyle Hall provided appliance. In the latter case, does it allow for me to ignore the 3.0.2 included in the tarball and download and install 3.0.6? Or the tarball just installs everything w/o no customization? 13:38 chris_n reva: follow the install directions in the INSTALL.debian or INSTALL.ubuntu files included in the tar ball 13:36 reva owen: would it involve a lot of script knowledge to do this? I kind of know UNIX command line interrface from my days at the University (that really dates me), but forget script, etc. 13:35 reva Ok; chris_n. next question: are there instructions for starting from scratch like we are trying to do? As I had been looking for ready-made solutions, I have not ferretted out the manuals for doing it from scratch. 13:32 chris_n I'd run a full 4GB if your hardware will support it 13:32 reva chris_n: ok; how much should we increase the RAM by? 13:32 reva owen: thanks for that. 13:31 chris_n reva: I'd go with the latest stable version of debian 13:31 chris_n and follow the install directions in the INSTALL.debian or INSTALL.ubuntu files included in the tar bal 13:31 reva owen: which version of Debian would fit our "server" capacity and Koha 3.0.6 install? chris_n: I think we can expand on the RAM easily enough. 13:31 chris_n in that case use either debian or ubuntu 13:31 chris_n reva: you can always install a virtualmachine and then do an install of Koha on that 13:30 chris_n reva: yes 13:29 reva chris_n: was the comment about the lean on ram for me? 13:29 reva chris_n: I did. I have even written to him in a couple of email addresses provided at his sites. But his appliance was built for version 3.0.2; so I was instead considering the virtual Debian install and Koha on that "server". 13:28 reva owen that last response was for your question. 13:28 reva No; the windows os is mandatory as this is government office and they supply all the base software for the computers. 13:27 * chris_n thinks that your windows box is a little lean on ram 13:27 chris_n I've never used a virtualmachine with koha, but Kyle's site is the authoritative site for that 13:26 chris_n checkout this page: http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/ 13:25 reva chris_n: ok will keep that in mind about your in out schedule. Which version of Debian lends itself for virtualizing? Server Workstation: Processor speed: 2.19 GHz RAM: .98 GB (close to 1) Storage: 140 GB OS: Windows XP Service Pack 3 13:24 owen reva: If it's going to be your Koha server, can you simply install Debian as a replacement for Windows? 13:24 * chris_n is slowly inching toward a native win32 koha install, but has very little time to devote to it 13:23 chris_n reva: if you must run in a Win32 environment, yes, that is the only way to go atm 13:22 reva owen, sorry for scoffing the protocols. chris_n: Wanting to install Debian as virtual machine over on the workstation acting as server and installing and configuring koha 3.0.6 to work with that. Is that a good way to go? 13:22 chris_n heya reva; I'm in and out today, but go ahead and ask; someone will answer if I don't :) 13:20 owen And because that's not what it's for :) 13:20 owen Yes. Comments on the web site are not a good way to get help because not enough people follow it carefully 13:19 reva owen, was that you who commented on my comment on the Koha community site? 13:19 collum Thanks owen 13:19 reva chris_n: Hello, I chatted with you last week from the Bureau of Standards in Antigua and Barbuda. We are wishing to install Koha 3.0.6 for our library catalog. We run a Work Group Peer LAN over Ethernet. Our workstations are Windows XP (Service Pack 3). We will dedicate one workstation as our server. Have questions, if you can help. Thanks. 13:13 owen anyway, collum++ for the reformat. Looks good 13:10 owen Hmm... Git blames Ryan Higgins, 2008-01-10 13:08 owen Looking at collum's patch for subscription-detail.tmpl, I'm curious why the "Numbering calculation" section was hidden? Is that information not valid? 13:04 * jwagner whistles innocently 13:04 munin kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. 13:04 kf @karma kf 13:03 munin jdavidb: Karma for "kados" has been increased 16 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 14. 13:03 jdavidb @karma kados 13:03 jdavidb hee hee... 13:03 * jdavidb figures jwagner has been bribing harder. 13:03 * jwagner thinks jdavidb has probably been bribing munin :-) 13:02 * jdavidb wonders how on earth he ended up at a higher ranking than brendan. 13:02 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (148), "chris" (140), and "owen" (112). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25). You (jdavidb) are ranked 14 out of 861. 13:02 jdavidb @karma 13:00 brendan if you want a response from munin - normally you need to put " @ " in front 13:00 schuster Thanks Making a note for future use... 13:00 munin schuster: Karma for "larsw" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29. 13:00 schuster @karma larsw 12:59 schuster karma 12:59 munin brendan: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (148), "chris" (140), and "owen" (112). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25). You (brendan) are ranked 21 out of 861. 12:59 brendan @karma 12:59 schuster karma larsw 12:59 schuster how to do Karma? 12:59 schuster larsw karma+ 12:57 chris_n larsw++ 12:55 jdavidb larsw++ 12:55 gmcharlt larsw++ 12:54 schuster WAY COOL. For those not so techie it was great! 12:54 schuster First off I need to publicly THANK Larsw (I think that is the nick)!!! I was able to use the Squeeze install over the weekend to get an instance of Koha up and running... 12:53 gmcharlt hi schuster 12:53 * gmcharlt tries to imagine that, boggles 12:53 jdavidb Hi, schuster! :) 12:53 schuster Howdy from Texas with a Minnesota Accent! 12:49 hilongo Hello #koha :) 12:41 chris_n back 12:26 kmkale bye all 12:03 brendan morning 12:01 braedon|home morning 11:56 jwagner morning 11:56 gmcharlt good morning 11:24 kf hi nengard, kmkale and chris_n :) 11:22 nengard hello 11:22 Amit heya nengard, jdavidb 11:21 kmkale hi jdavidb kf chris_n 11:11 jdavidb Hi, kf! :D 11:11 kf hi jdabidb :) 10:57 chris_n ok, off to breakfast 10:57 jdavidb :) 10:57 chris_n g'morning jdavidb 10:57 jdavidb howdy, #koha. 10:57 chris_n which then would allow anyone to view it properly 10:56 chris_n which would allow us to embed the font in the document 10:56 chris_n and we really need to move to PDF::API2 which offers more low-level pdf functions 10:56 Amit ok 10:56 chris_n PDF::Reuse does not support this 10:55 chris_n Amit: I remember now why I did not add this 10:52 Amit chris_n: i will try this.. 10:52 chris_n which definitely do not contain the chars of non-latin char based languages 10:52 chris_n but atm the module attempts to generate postscript with the basic standard western fonts 10:51 * chris_n is not sure that that will fix 100% of the problem 10:51 Amit ok 10:51 chris_n Amit: yes 10:51 chris_n and then a few coding changes would be needed to tell the module the location of the fonts 10:50 Amit chris_n: on server side 10:50 chris_n kmkale, Amit, albertos: you have to have the proper corrisponding font installe on your system 10:50 Amit hi chris_n 10:50 chris_n kmkale, Amit, albertos: I just had a thought on the pdf problem 10:48 chris_n g'morning #koha 10:15 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 10:15 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:15 kf Elwell++ 10:15 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 28.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1002 hPa. 10:15 Amit @weather Dehradun 10:15 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 10:15 Amit @weather Bangalore 10:15 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (3:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Widespread Dust. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 10:15 Amit @weather New Delhi 10:12 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai / Santacruz, India is 32.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 28.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa. 10:12 kmkale @weather Mumbai 10:01 Elwell Items,Matcher,Record and UploadedFile.pm to do 10:00 Elwell right. Nearly done with the frickin pod warnings 09:33 kmkale albertos: have a read here http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/3413/focus=3421 09:08 Amit with no barcode 09:08 Amit albertos it is not failed it's generate pdf only 09:08 albertos trying to find something 09:08 albertos can u share me a link? 09:07 kmkale albertos: there has been some discusion on this in the mailing list. Please have a read through 09:06 Amit kmkale: good 09:06 albertos is it prossible that perl mod fails becauses there are no proper fonts in the system? 09:06 kmkale Amit: No in Koha a new module 09:06 kmkale Hi albertos 09:06 albertos same problem here (but with greek chars) 09:05 Amit u mean to say outside koha 09:05 albertos hi kmkale 09:05 kmkale I am working on a css based barcode generation module for this as the problem is more with PDF perl module rather than Koha 09:05 Amit yup 09:04 kmkale Amit: total failure so far with Marathi and Hindi using unicode 09:02 Amit kmkale have u generate barcode in other languages 09:02 kmkale hi Amit 08:59 albertos can i ask u something? 08:59 albertos morning chris 08:58 Amit heya chris_n 08:54 albertos what did u said? 08:54 Amit k 08:54 albertos dropped 08:54 albertos amit... sorry connection droppe 08:51 Amit heya kmkale 08:48 Amit it's need to convert first utf-8 08:48 Amit i think label will not print with Greek char 08:45 albertos amit?... any suggestions? 08:43 kmkale Good afternoon 08:37 albertos but we need to print labels with greek char 08:37 albertos everything is fine 08:37 albertos when i remove greek chars 08:37 albertos with error: label-print-pdf.pl: Wide character in compress at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819 08:37 albertos the pdf creating fails 08:36 albertos with greek chars on them 08:36 albertos when i'm trying to print some labels 08:36 Amit albertos: what problem r u facing 08:36 albertos hey amit 08:35 Amit heya albertos 08:34 albertos anyone? 08:28 albertos is this a limitation or something more to be configured? 08:27 albertos any help? 08:27 albertos label-print-pdf.pl: Wide character in compress at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819 08:26 albertos the error is.... 08:26 albertos and no pdf is created 08:26 albertos koha fails 08:26 albertos when we are trying to print some greek letters 08:26 albertos but! 08:26 albertos and everything is fine 08:26 albertos i'm trying to print some labels in koha 08:26 albertos if someoone knows to hel 08:26 albertos i have a question 08:26 albertos gMonring all 07:01 Amit heya kf 06:44 Elwell morning peeps 06:43 kf good morning :) 03:39 Amit heya chris 01:39 chris_n g'night 00:19 chris back