Time  Nick              Message
00:19 chris             back
01:39 chris_n           g'night
03:39 Amit              heya chris
06:43 kf                good morning :)
06:44 Elwell            morning peeps
07:01 Amit              heya kf
08:26 albertos          gMonring all
08:26 albertos          i have a question
08:26 albertos          if someoone knows to hel
08:26 albertos          i'm trying to print some labels in koha
08:26 albertos          and everything is fine
08:26 albertos          but!
08:26 albertos          when we are trying to print some greek letters
08:26 albertos          koha fails
08:26 albertos          and no pdf is created
08:26 albertos          the error is....
08:27 albertos          label-print-pdf.pl: Wide character in compress at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819
08:27 albertos          any help?
08:28 albertos          is this a limitation or something more to be configured?
08:34 albertos          anyone?
08:35 Amit              heya albertos
08:36 albertos          hey amit
08:36 Amit              albertos: what problem r u facing
08:36 albertos          when i'm trying to print some labels
08:36 albertos          with greek chars on them
08:37 albertos          the pdf creating fails
08:37 albertos          with error:  label-print-pdf.pl: Wide character in compress at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819
08:37 albertos          when i remove greek chars
08:37 albertos          everything is fine
08:37 albertos          but we need to print labels with greek char
08:43 kmkale            Good afternoon
08:45 albertos          amit?... any suggestions?
08:48 Amit              i think label will not print with Greek char
08:48 Amit              it's need to convert first utf-8
08:51 Amit              heya kmkale
08:54 albertos          amit... sorry connection droppe
08:54 albertos          dropped
08:54 Amit              k
08:54 albertos          what did u said?
08:58 Amit              heya chris_n
08:59 albertos          morning chris
08:59 albertos          can i ask u something?
09:02 kmkale            hi Amit
09:02 Amit              kmkale have u generate barcode in other languages
09:04 kmkale            Amit: total failure so far with Marathi and Hindi using unicode
09:05 Amit              yup
09:05 kmkale            I am working on a css based barcode generation module for this as the problem is more with PDF perl module rather than Koha
09:05 albertos          hi kmkale
09:05 Amit              u mean to say outside koha
09:06 albertos          same problem here (but with greek chars)
09:06 kmkale            Hi albertos
09:06 kmkale            Amit: No in Koha a new module
09:06 albertos          is it prossible that perl mod fails becauses there are no proper fonts in the system?
09:06 Amit              kmkale: good
09:07 kmkale            albertos: there has been some discusion on this in the mailing list. Please have a read through
09:08 albertos          can u share me a link?
09:08 albertos          trying to find something
09:08 Amit              albertos it is not failed it's generate pdf only
09:08 Amit              with no barcode
09:33 kmkale            albertos: have a read here http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/3413/focus=3421
10:00 Elwell            right. Nearly done with the frickin pod warnings
10:01 Elwell            Items,Matcher,Record and UploadedFile.pm to do
10:12 kmkale            @weather Mumbai
10:12 munin             kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai / Santacruz, India is 32.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 28.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa.
10:15 Amit              @weather New Delhi
10:15 munin             Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (3:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Widespread Dust. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
10:15 Amit              @weather Bangalore
10:15 munin             Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
10:15 Amit              @weather Dehradun
10:15 munin             Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 28.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1002 hPa.
10:15 kf                Elwell++
10:15 kf                @wunder Konstanz
10:15 munin             kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
10:48 chris_n           g'morning #koha
10:50 chris_n           kmkale, Amit, albertos: I just had a thought on the pdf problem
10:50 Amit              hi chris_n
10:50 chris_n           kmkale, Amit, albertos: you have to have the proper corrisponding font installe on your system
10:50 Amit              chris_n:  on server side
10:51 chris_n           and then a few coding changes would be needed to tell the module the location of the fonts
10:51 chris_n           Amit: yes
10:51 Amit              ok
10:51 * chris_n         is not sure that that will fix 100% of the problem
10:52 chris_n           but atm the module attempts to generate postscript with the basic standard western fonts
10:52 chris_n           which definitely do not contain the chars of non-latin char based languages
10:52 Amit              chris_n: i will try this..
10:55 chris_n           Amit: I remember now why I did not add this
10:56 chris_n           PDF::Reuse does not support this
10:56 Amit              ok
10:56 chris_n           and we really need to move to PDF::API2 which offers more low-level pdf functions
10:56 chris_n           which would allow us to embed the font in the document
10:57 chris_n           which then would allow anyone to view it properly
10:57 jdavidb           howdy, #koha.
10:57 chris_n           g'morning jdavidb
10:57 jdavidb           :)
10:57 chris_n           ok, off to breakfast
11:11 kf                hi jdabidb :)
11:11 jdavidb           Hi, kf! :D
11:21 kmkale            hi jdavidb kf chris_n
11:22 Amit              heya nengard, jdavidb
11:22 nengard           hello
11:24 kf                hi nengard, kmkale and chris_n :)
11:56 gmcharlt          good morning
11:56 jwagner           morning
12:01 braedon|home      morning
12:03 brendan           morning
12:26 kmkale            bye all
12:41 chris_n           back
12:49 hilongo           Hello #koha :)
12:53 schuster          Howdy from Texas with a Minnesota Accent!
12:53 jdavidb           Hi, schuster! :)
12:53 * gmcharlt        tries to imagine that, boggles
12:53 gmcharlt          hi schuster
12:54 schuster          First off I need to publicly THANK Larsw (I think that is the nick)!!!  I was able to use the Squeeze install over the weekend to get an instance of Koha up and running...
12:54 schuster          WAY COOL.  For those not so techie it was great!
12:55 gmcharlt          larsw++
12:55 jdavidb           larsw++
12:57 chris_n           larsw++
12:59 schuster          larsw karma+
12:59 schuster          how to do Karma?
12:59 schuster          karma larsw
12:59 brendan           @karma
12:59 munin             brendan: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (148), "chris" (140), and "owen" (112).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25).  You (brendan) are ranked 21 out of 861.
12:59 schuster          karma
13:00 schuster          @karma larsw
13:00 munin             schuster: Karma for "larsw" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29.
13:00 schuster          Thanks  Making a note for future use...
13:00 brendan           if you want a response from munin - normally you need to put " @ " in front
13:02 jdavidb           @karma
13:02 munin             jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (148), "chris" (140), and "owen" (112).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25).  You (jdavidb) are ranked 14 out of 861.
13:02 * jdavidb         wonders how on earth he ended up at a higher ranking than brendan.
13:03 * jwagner         thinks jdavidb has probably been bribing munin :-)
13:03 * jdavidb         figures jwagner has been bribing harder.
13:03 jdavidb           hee hee...
13:03 jdavidb           @karma kados
13:03 munin             jdavidb: Karma for "kados" has been increased 16 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 14.
13:04 kf                @karma kf
13:04 munin             kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14.
13:04 * jwagner         whistles innocently
13:08 owen              Looking at collum's patch for subscription-detail.tmpl, I'm curious why the "Numbering calculation" section was hidden? Is that information not valid?
13:10 owen              Hmm... Git blames Ryan Higgins, 2008-01-10
13:13 owen              anyway, collum++ for the reformat. Looks good
13:19 reva              chris_n: Hello, I chatted with you last week from the Bureau of Standards in Antigua and Barbuda. We are wishing to install Koha 3.0.6 for our library catalog. We run a Work Group Peer LAN over Ethernet. Our workstations are Windows XP (Service Pack 3). We will dedicate one workstation as our server. Have questions, if you can help. Thanks.
13:19 collum            Thanks owen
13:19 reva              owen, was that you who commented on my comment on the Koha community site?
13:20 owen              Yes. Comments on the web site are not a good way to get help because not enough people follow it carefully
13:20 owen              And because that's not what it's for :)
13:22 chris_n           heya reva; I'm in and out today, but go ahead and ask; someone will answer if I don't :)
13:22 reva              owen, sorry for scoffing the protocols. chris_n: Wanting to install Debian as virtual machine over on the workstation acting as server and installing and configuring koha 3.0.6 to work with that. Is that a good way to go?
13:23 chris_n           reva: if you must run in a Win32 environment, yes, that is the only way to go atm
13:24 * chris_n         is slowly inching toward a native win32 koha install, but has very little time to devote to it
13:24 owen              reva: If it's going to be your Koha server, can you simply install Debian as a replacement for Windows?
13:25 reva              chris_n: ok will keep that in mind about your in out schedule. Which version of Debian lends itself for virtualizing? Server Workstation: Processor speed: 2.19 GHz RAM: .98 GB (close to 1) Storage: 140 GB OS: Windows XP Service Pack 3
13:26 chris_n           checkout this page: http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/
13:27 chris_n           I've never used a virtualmachine with koha, but Kyle's site is the authoritative site for that
13:27 * chris_n         thinks that your windows box is a little lean on ram
13:28 reva              No; the windows os is mandatory as this is government office and they supply all the base software for the computers.
13:28 reva              owen that last response was for your question.
13:29 reva              chris_n: I did. I have even written to him in a couple of email addresses provided at his sites. But his appliance was built for version 3.0.2; so I was instead considering the virtual Debian install and Koha on that "server".
13:29 reva              chris_n: was the comment about the lean on ram for me?
13:30 chris_n           reva: yes
13:31 chris_n           reva: you can always install a virtualmachine and then do an install of Koha on that
13:31 chris_n           in that case use either debian or ubuntu
13:31 reva              owen: which version of Debian would fit our "server" capacity and Koha 3.0.6 install? chris_n: I think we can expand on the RAM easily enough.
13:31 chris_n           and follow the install directions in the INSTALL.debian or INSTALL.ubuntu files included in the tar bal
13:31 chris_n           reva: I'd go with the latest stable version of debian
13:32 reva              owen: thanks for that.
13:32 reva              chris_n: ok; how much should we increase the RAM by?
13:32 chris_n           I'd run a full 4GB if your hardware will support it
13:35 reva              Ok; chris_n. next question: are there instructions for starting from scratch like we are trying to do? As I had been looking for ready-made solutions, I have not ferretted out the manuals for doing it from scratch.
13:36 reva              owen: would it involve a lot of script knowledge to do this? I kind of know UNIX command line interrface from my days at the University (that really dates me), but forget script, etc.
13:38 chris_n           reva: follow the install directions in the INSTALL.debian or INSTALL.ubuntu files included in the tar ball
13:42 reva              chris_n: you mean when I download from Debian from their site, or the Kyle Hall provided appliance. In the latter case, does it allow for me to ignore the 3.0.2 included in the tarball and download and install 3.0.6? Or the tarball just installs everything w/o no customization?
13:42 reva              chris_n: Or, is the virtual Debian I download a tarball file?
13:43 chris_n           reva: the INSTALL files will be in the 3.0.6 tar ball you download from downloads.koha-commuinity.org
13:44 reva              Oh, that solves the riddle. Thanks chris_n.
13:44 chris_n           so get your virtualmachine setup and then download the tar ball, extract, and read the appropriate INSTALL file
13:45 chris_n           ahh... you'll need to download the iso image of debian from the debian site
13:45 reva              chris_n:Great. so the instructions for all the steps are also in the community site, correct?
13:45 chris_n           when you install the virtualmachine software you can point it to that iso to have it install debian
13:45 chris_n           then do the koha tar ball
13:46 chris_n           reva: there are many tutorials for installing koha; some of them are referenced on the community site
13:47 reva              christ_n: Ok, I will burn that on to a dvd RW disk, correct? Which virtual machine software do you recommend? VMWare or Virtual Box? Ok, got that about the instruction manual. (New to virtual anything here, so the very basic questions. Pardon me.)
13:50 chris_n           I have used Virtual Box some, but cannot comment on which is best due to limited experience
13:50 chris_n           here is a tutorial for ubuntu, which is very nearly the same as debian: http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-1.html
13:50 chris_n           also, you don't need to burn the iso, the virtual machine will mount it in file form
13:51 reva              chris_n: thanks. and thanks for the tutorial link also. Ok so it can reside on the hard drive on our "server"?
13:52 reva              chirs_n: our standards officer who doubles as our resident IT person also has some experience in Virtual Box. So that should work.
13:53 chris_n           reva: yes on the hard drive question
13:54 reva              chris_n: another very very basic question: what does go into production mean, when you are installing a Library Management system? Does it mean that you are installing and building a real database in it for real use?
13:55 chris_n           yes
13:55 reva              chris_n: got that on production. It seemed like an expression frm manufactory, that's all.
13:58 reva              chris_n and owen: ok, will be starting on this by tomorrow. Will get back here as I encounter mystery. (or is it for sorcery help as Ubuntu site has it?):)
13:59 reva              chris_n and owen: thanks for your patience and kind help.
13:59 chris_n           reva: np, glad to help
14:13 Elwell            right, stabbing-over-IP for the next person who writes bad POD :-)
14:19 chris_n           Elwell++
14:23 wizzyrea_robbed   hey there
14:23 wizzyrea_robbed   I have a strange favor to ask
14:24 wizzyrea_robbed   does anybody have scrollback and tell me what time "wizzyrea" went offline
14:24 jdavidb           I'll check the logs, wizzyrea
14:24 wizzyrea_robbed   thanks :)
14:24 owen              wizzyrea_robbed: Not literally robbed I hope?!
14:24 chris_n           robbed??!!
14:24 wizzyrea_robbed   yea, literally
14:24 wizzyrea_robbed   but
14:24 gmcharlt          :(
14:24 chris_n           home or library
14:25 wizzyrea_robbed   my comp was on IRC
14:25 wizzyrea_robbed   at NEKLS
14:25 wizzyrea_robbed   so we know when they unplugged my computer
14:25 wizzyrea_robbed   :)
14:25 * wizzyrea_robbed has been through this before.
14:26 wizzyrea_robbed   oh do the logs show disconnects?
14:26 wizzyrea_robbed   I could just go look
14:26 chris_n           yes
14:27 jdavidb           yep.  03:40 UTC on 6 June.   (It's currently 14:29 UTC, if that helps you with time calculations)
14:27 jdavidb           That'd be..uhm...23:40 CT on the 5th.
14:27 jdavidb           er..22:40.
14:29 schuster          Talk about digital investigation!  Too bad it wasn't video chat you could have gotten the culprit!
14:29 jdavidb           Did they take a bunch of stuff, wizzyrea, or was it a snatch-and-grab-what-was-handy?
14:33 wizzyrea_robbed   oh yea
14:33 wizzyrea_robbed   they took lots of stuff
14:33 wizzyrea_robbed   practically everybody's laptop, my new iMac
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed   the old iMac on the tech's desk
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed   our loanable Wii
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed   projectors
14:34 * jdavidb         is glad that NEKLS is not self-hosted, then...
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed   nah, they didnt' steal any of the servers
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed   too heavy
14:35 wizzyrea_robbed   only stuff that would be easy to pawn
14:36 jdavidb           ugh.
14:39 wizzyrea_robbed   heh yea
15:33 kf                bye all
15:34 chris_n           by kf
15:34 chris_n           bye even
15:34 kf                :)
15:43 wizzyrea_robbed   gah changing all of your passwords sucks.
15:45 rhcl              wizzy: is there anything we can do to help?
15:45 rhcl              Can you borrow enough computers from your branches to get by for a while?
15:47 wizzyrea_robbed   well, we are only staff
15:47 wizzyrea_robbed   I appreciate the offer, but I think we're going to be ok
15:48 wizzyrea_robbed   we have a lab full of computers
15:48 rhcl              ah
15:49 wizzyrea_robbed   sucky, PC computers, but they work
15:50 wizzyrea_robbed   most of our stuff is in the cloud now anyway
15:53 jwagner_meeting   wizzyrea_robbed, what a rotten way to start the week :-(
15:55 wizzyrea_robbed   ya, it really is
15:56 wizzyrea_robbed   though thanks to IRC we can pinpoint and prove when the robbery happened
15:56 wizzyrea_robbed   :)
15:56 wizzyrea_robbed   so that's a silver lining
15:56 wizzyrea_robbed   there may be new mac hardware this week, that's a silver lining
16:29 * wizzyrea_robbed mutters
16:29 wizzyrea_robbed   I had such grand plans for this day
16:29 * jdavidb         mumbles.
16:34 * chris_n         suggests a laptop lock
16:35 chris_n           something like: http://us.kensington.com/html/11204.html
16:52 wizzyrea_robbed   yea, I can appreciate a good laptop lock
16:57 wizzyrea_robbed   ok back later
17:01 owen              Speaking of laptops, I'm considering investing in an inexpensive PC laptop to install Linux on for Koha dev. Anyone know if I should be looking at anything in particular?
17:12 brendan           so munin has OPS now - I wonder if that means munin will start kicking people with roulette
17:12 brendan           @roulette
17:12 munin             brendan: *click*
17:13 owen              He does, jdavidb can tell you
17:41 rhcl              owen: I have Ubuntu remix running quite happily on a Compaq Mini 110 and a Dell Mini 10v netbook. The wireless connection even works better than on XP. (Dual-boot).
17:41 jwagner           gmcharlt, online?
17:41 gmcharlt          jwagner: no, on a chair :)
17:42 gmcharlt          what's up?
17:42 jwagner           Bug 3344 says you put preliminary patches for it and 4224 on your git repo -- did these ever get finished & pushed to head?
17:42 munin             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3344 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting
17:44 gmcharlt          jwagner: AFAIK, the prelimiary stuff is OK to push, so I'll do so
17:44 gmcharlt          NEKLS has been looking at those
17:44 jwagner           OK, thanks.
17:44 wizzyrea_mib      I can confirm that the changes there were good
17:51 jdavidb           @roulette
17:51 * munin           reloads and spins the chambers.
17:51 jdavidb           woo hoo!
17:53 jdavidb           owen:  in re: laptops, I specifically *don't* suggest an Asus eeePC 900 as a dev platform.  I got Koha breathing on it once, mostly to see if I could.  There was a fair bit of pain and suffering involved, and it was slow as Christmas.
17:57 jwagner           gmcharlt, how about Bug 3536? It says patches were sent in December, creating a syspref homeorholdingbranch, but in current head, that syspref says it will be removed soon.
17:57 munin             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt
17:58 * jdavidb         waves to brendan
17:58 brendan           hi
18:00 brendan           chris_n++
18:00 brendan           ;)
18:00 jdavidb           chris_n++
18:00 * chris_n         trolls for karma ;-)
18:00 brendan           @karma chris_n
18:00 munin             brendan: Karma for "chris_n" has been increased 60 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 60.
18:00 brendan           ah that's a nice number
18:00 chris_n           @karma fbcit
18:00 munin             chris_n: Karma for "fbcit" has been increased 27 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 27.
18:01 chris_n           ^^ used to be me as well
18:01 gmcharlt          jwagner: homeorholdbrach will have to stay in for 3.2
18:02 jwagner           Couldn't tell from the bug report -- was the patch in 3536 pushed to head?
18:04 tomascohen        hi everyone, we're trying to figure out a strange behaviour en circulation
18:05 tomascohen        has anyone been involved in IsMemberBlocked
18:05 tomascohen        ??
18:06 sekjal            gmcharlt: is there particular difficulty replacing references to HomeOrHoldingBranch with ones to CircControl?
18:07 gmcharlt          sekjal: yes - ensuring that sufficient testing gets done to avoid unexpected chagnes to effective circ poicy during upgrade
18:09 sekjal            gmcharlt: ah, okay.
18:21 joetho            owen- I like ubuntu remix too, but it is customized for mini laptops (mine is an asus 1000he). And you may want a faster processor for what you are considering- mine is 1.66 I think.
18:22 joetho            I am also using jolicloud, which seems a bit slower.
18:23 brendan           chris_n_bot sounds like puss_n_boots
18:23 joetho            rock_n_roll
18:23 * chris_n         is working on a bot to maintain some channel ops
18:40 chris             morning
18:43 gmcharlt          hi chris
18:43 chris_n           heya chris
18:43 chris             heya gmcharlt, all finished in pittsburgh?
18:44 gmcharlt          yep
18:45 chris             cool
18:45 chris             man, stnk about nekls
18:53 joetho            heh heh heh Liz just told me the robbers to their snowleopard install disk but left the win7
18:53 joetho            *took* their snowleopard etc
18:53 chris             they know what sells :) everyone just copies windows anyway
18:54 joetho            I called her and got her out of a staff meeting
18:54 chris             nice work :)
18:54 joetho            where they were discussing their plans for distributing movie license info.
18:54 joetho            so it must not be that big of a crisis
18:54 chris             :)
18:54 joetho            plus they think they have a line on the perps
18:55 chris             backups and insurance i assume
18:55 joetho            backups yes, but a $5k deductible
18:55 chris             stink thats like 1/100 of a mac
18:56 joetho            $5,000 USD
18:56 chris             ahh, in that case 1/1000
18:57 chris             :)
18:58 joetho            I think I have been awake longer than you.
18:58 chris             hehe
19:31 schuster          by all - wizzyrea_mib hope you day/week gets better.
19:43 chris             bus time
19:45 cait              hi all
20:03 * wizzyrea        mutters
20:03 owen              No progress wizzyrea ?
20:04 wizzyrea          heh, no
20:10 wizzyrea          gah blast. it's kind of like losing an arm. Or a toe.
20:11 wizzyrea          i'm gonna limpy gimpy for a while.
20:11 owen              Heh... I've been here: http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2010/06/simply-explained.html
20:13 wizzyrea          he
20:13 * owen            has contributed enough crappy code to the world for today
20:15 * cait            thinks owen's code is great
20:46 chris             back
20:46 wizzyrea_lapt-1   heya
20:47 larsw             good morningses
20:51 cait              good morning nz :)
20:52 chris             hiya cait
22:00 cait              @karma jsp
22:00 munin             cait: Karma for "jsp" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
22:00 chris             heh
22:06 cait              jsp--
22:06 cait              good night all
22:06 chris             night cait
22:32 chris             hi mason
23:25 wasabi            heya, waves from kapiti...
23:26 wasabi            end-of-year stats-reporting day
23:26 chris             ahh fun :)