Time Nick Message 00:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4844 Remove a circular dependency in koha_perl_deps.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e08d35bdc32b4dfada80d0018f66457846e6b298> / Fix for Bug 4504, Confirmation messages in opac account not translated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58969c958ca7ddbac52cb1f48c9db0ccb73b5e54> 00:00 gmcharlt larsw: yes, I am - I don't expect there to be a particular stopping point as such over the next four days, 00:00 larsw gmcharlt, ook, then I won't bother building packages just now; will do on Tuesday when I'm back to work 00:00 gmcharlt cool 00:10 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4205 remove extra 'plan by' option <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4f7259cc1a160abed701007244c320be53c15ab> 00:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3992 - New Sys Prefs Branch - Local Use Tab not Highlighted <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6b94ab730fb5941319b5246484c3af6b320686b> 00:49 gmcharlt @later tell owen I can haz fix of structure error in tools/batchMod-del.tmpl soon, please? 00:49 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 00:52 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3770, 'Add to list' page only allows adding to private lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfb2c774353ad609cb112f317feb67d74d30230d> / Fix for Bug 3722 - Branch deletion results in incorrect message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6af71b5f8dc1b0849f561aabffb5d292f7ae9229> / Fix for Bug 3926, inadvertantly resurrected by me. <http://git.koha-commu 01:02 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3081, Url's contain spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad1047dce7f3ae29ebd8fcffc621ba82317ec7ff> 01:25 chris_n gmcharlt: is Net-Z3950-ZOOM still maintained? 01:25 * chris_n notices that the last release was in 2008 01:26 gmcharlt chris_n: well, indexdata is the current maintainer, but they don't do release just for the heck of it 01:27 gmcharlt is there a specific bug? 01:28 chris_n well, there is at least one open bug against the Makefile.PL which was to be fixed in the "next release" back in 2009, but there has been no next release 01:29 chris_n anyway, I'm going to open another, but I'm not sure if it is a bug there or with E::U 01:29 chris_n for some reason extra libraries passed in do not get added to the Makefile on Win32 01:29 gmcharlt well, drop Mike Taylor a line 01:30 chris_n I'm fairly sure it is platform specific 01:52 munin New commit(s) kohagit: set DBrev to 136 for previous patch to add edit_items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72fb44ce26da21348785bacd2b153f4e01bf176b> / MT2938 : Adds a permission for editing items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=39d70cf05bf8633d96c4e38bb88815a38925f918> 02:06 * chris_n thinks indexdata really should keep the url's required in their test suite uptodate 02:18 gmcharlt yeah, that's been a longstanding issue 02:23 chris_n well, I just filed three bugs with them, so we'll see 02:23 * chris_n will become pestersome if he does not hear back for awhile 02:23 chris_n I even offered to send a patch for one fix 02:24 chris_n the others are beyond me 02:28 gmcharlt well, they're pretty easy-going guys, and they do accept patches 02:53 CGI102 Hello. Couldn't get my IRC client to work (it used to), so I'm on the web-based one. 02:55 CGI102 Anyone here have any good information about installing Harley on Debian Lenny? The instruction file that comes with Harley has inaccurate information. 02:56 CGI102 Specifically, it tells you to download Koha, not Harley, and then it mentions a dependency file that doesn't exist within the Harley distrubution. 02:56 CGI102 distribution. 02:56 chris_n CGI102: you'll have to ask when jwagner or jdavidb are around... usually working hours EDT 02:57 * chris_n recommends grabbing the current alpha2 from git.koha-community.org 02:57 brendan chris_n++ 02:57 CGI102 Okay. Maybe I'll try then. Was hoping to do this tonight, while I'm at home. 02:57 chris_n or even 3.0.6 from downloads.koha-community.org 02:57 brendan the best IMO would be to give git a shot 02:58 chris_n 3.0.6 is probably your best shot then 02:58 brendan with git you could install 3.2-aplha2 and also use git to pull in harley (for testing) 02:58 chris_n why do I think of a garage? 02:58 brendan heh 02:58 chris_n "pull in harley" 02:59 CGI102 Well, let me ask this, instead: This is going to be installed in a place where the users are NOT that computer literate, so I want whichever will be the most stable. 02:59 brendan well it least it's not a honda riceburner 02:59 chris_n CGI102: missing deps and incorrect docs does not sound stable to me 03:00 chris_n you want 3.0.6 if you need super stable 03:00 CGI102 BTW, does Harely have full Spanish translation, already, or must I use one of the Koha distros for that? 03:00 chris_n alpha2 is getting pretty close 03:00 brendan I think you'll have to test that yourself to determine stability --> we've got a customer on aplha and they are running fine 03:00 CGI102 Okay. Then does 3.0.6 have full Spanish? 03:00 * brendan doesn't know the translations of harley 03:00 chris_n CGI102: we are not that familiar with harley... sorry 03:00 chris_n 3.0.6 does iirc 03:01 brendan best place to look at the amount of tranlsation that has been done - is tranlsate 03:01 chris_n miguel or miguelxercode could help you there 03:01 brendan http://translate.koha-community.org/ 03:02 CGI102 Okay. Maybe I should just get 3.0.6, then. Not all of these users can read English, so the Spanish part is critical. 03:02 CGI102 (I'm in Honduras.) 03:02 brendan sounds like the best bet 03:02 brendan wow that's great 03:03 brendan do you know of others in Honduras using koha? 03:03 CGI102 No. I discovered it a little over a year ago while doing a LOT of searching. 03:03 robin larsw: you should complete the fins and zweeds translations :) 03:03 larsw robin, I did one string, that's enough for me for now :) 03:03 brendan awesome 03:04 CGI102 Other things delayed working on it back then, but now I'm ready to proceed. 03:06 CGI102 To be honest, my hope of using Harley was not because the name was Harley, but because it was NOT Koha (which, phonetically - actual word "coja" - means "lame" in Spanish). 03:07 brendan heh 03:07 robin that's a bit unfortunate :) 03:08 chris_n sort of reminds me of the Chevy Nova 03:08 CGI102 I remember the last time I started looking at this, it looked as though it would be a real pain to remove all references to the word "Koha," including logos, etc. 03:08 brendan you'll just need to pronounce it differently (cause the harley release "or whatever" has the Koha name all over it) 03:09 CGI102 chris_n, the "Nova" story is apocryphal. In fact, the Nova was VERY popular in Mexico. 03:09 larsw gmcharlt, just checking that you actually read all the patches :) 03:09 chris_n lol 03:10 CGI102 After all, "Nova" is the Latin root of "nueva" or "new." 03:10 brendan larsw++ 03:10 brendan teachers here in the US who teach spanish love to tell that story though 03:11 CGI102 Well, thanks for the info. Guess I'll go for 3.0.6, after all. 03:11 robin CGI102: hey, a lot of people still use The GIMP, despite it having a stupid name :) 03:11 CGI102 brendan, a better story is one that really DOES happen... 03:12 CGI102 Americans who learn just a few words of Spanish go to Spanish speaking countries and they know that "como" means "how" and "mucho" means "much," so they ask for the price of something by saying "como much," which actually means "I eat a lot." LOL! 03:13 CGI102 What they should ask is "Cuanto cuesta?" or "Cuanto vale?" 03:14 brendan *sigh* good ole Americans and their traveling knowledge or cockiness 03:15 CGI102 Okay. Enough Spanish 101 for tonight. Time for me to go onward to 3.0.6. Thanks again. 03:15 brendan wait until some of these americans start hitting NZ - and tipping everyone 03:15 brendan night 03:15 CGI102 Night. 03:16 brendan koha in Honduras++ 03:16 robin brendan: yeah, that'll be weird. No one here will know how to handle that. 03:17 * chris_n usually sticks to sign language when in MX 03:17 brendan it was kind of fun watching chris in Texas with tipping ;) 03:17 brendan he's been here a few times - so it wasn't a total "WTF" 03:21 Amit heya brendan, chris 03:21 brendan heya Amit 03:21 robin chris is not here. He's in Blenheim. 03:23 Amit heya robin 03:29 Amit @weather New Delhi, India 03:29 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 03:29 Amit @weather Dehradun, India 03:29 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 30.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002 hPa. 03:29 Amit @weather Bangalore, India 03:29 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 25.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 03:35 brendan @weather 93117 03:35 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.1�C (8:35 PM PDT on June 03, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). 03:38 * chris_n heads off to sleep 03:39 brendan night 05:10 cait good morning #koha 05:28 Amit heya cait 05:32 cait hi Amit 06:03 cait bbl 06:44 kf good morning #koha 06:45 Amit heya kf 06:48 kf hi Amit 07:54 kmkale good afternoon 07:56 kf hi kmkale 07:56 kmkale hi kf 08:08 magnus hiyq kmkale, kf 08:09 kf hi magnus 08:09 magnus s/hiyq/hiya/ ;-) 08:10 kmkale hi magnus 08:11 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 08:11 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (9:50 AM CEST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 08:11 magnus hm... 08:13 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:13 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 08:19 kmkale @weather Mumbai 08:19 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (1:10 PM IST on June 04, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 08:19 kmkale :( 08:20 kf first really sunny day for weeks = first day back at work after vacation 08:29 Mirbolt hi there, could someone possibly copy and paste me one row from their 'issues' table? i am seeing some null values in mine and am wondering what others are looking like 08:35 Mirbolt hmm, is there anyone out there? or is my slow connection just not working... 08:36 magnus Mirbolt: could you give us some examples of the data you are seeing? 08:40 magnus i seem to have lot of NULLs in these columns: issuingbranch | returndate |lastreneweddate | return | renewals 08:41 Mirbolt hmm ok thanks, well good to know those ones should be null 08:41 Mirbolt i am getting a few random nulls in branch code as well 08:43 Mirbolt i am getting about half half with null and a valid branchcode, i thought that data should come from the item table, but as the item has the correct data i'm wondering if it's missing from somewhere else... 08:44 magnus i have an issues table with 11909 rows, none of which has a NULL for branchcode 08:44 magnus not sure what might cause your NULLs, though 08:48 Mirbolt i recently reinstalled koha and reloaded the data from a backup, which has proved to contain dodgy data, the items.holdingbranch was missing data for about 200 records, i now suspect the issues table must get it from somewhere other than the items table though 08:48 Mirbolt thanks for confirming the lack of nulls magnus 08:49 magnus np 08:53 Amit heya kmkale 08:55 kmkale Hi Amit \ 10:20 gmcharlt @quote random 10:20 munin gmcharlt: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 12:18 PM, August 06, 2009) 10:24 * Elwell raises an eyebrow at the biblibre recrute posting, but decides Marseille is way to far from Aix ;-) 10:28 kf Elwell: what posting? 10:29 chris_n ops++ 10:29 chris_n g'morning 10:29 Elwell http://www.biblibre.com/en/blogs/philippe-chabanon via RSS 10:32 kf hi chris_n 10:32 kf thx Elwell :) 11:12 * chris_n cheers 11:18 jdavidb howdy, #koha. :) 11:22 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 11:25 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 11:26 jwagner Morning, all... 11:27 jwagner What's with the @ signs? 11:27 gmcharlt @ signs? probably your IRC client telling you who has channel op 11:27 munin gmcharlt: Error: "signs?" is not a valid command. 11:27 gmcharlt munin: be quiet 11:27 munin gmcharlt: Error: "be" is not a valid command. 11:28 gmcharlt looks like the IRC server hiccuped, and when it came back, munin had op 11:28 jwagner I have channel op? What do I do with it? 11:28 gmcharlt so I'm spreading it around 11:28 gmcharlt jwagner: nothing, necessarily - the main thing ops do in this channel is change the channel topic 11:28 * jwagner could think of a few things to do :-) 11:32 Colin lets not get crazed with all this power 11:34 jwagner heh heh heh.... 11:37 gmcharlt jwagner: just keep in mind that topics should always include a reference to the LCSH authority record 11:37 jdavidb oh, lordy. no one tell jwagner about the /kick command...I'll get no peace at all. 11:37 gmcharlt jdavidb: um, oops? ;) 11:37 jdavidb hee hee. 11:46 kf hi jwagner and jdavidb 11:46 jdavidb Hi, kf. :D 11:47 kf robbed my colleague all his xslt books :) 11:47 kf hi and thx gmcharlt :) (for pushing my monster patch) 11:48 jwagner jdavidb, kick save & a beauty! 11:48 jwagner Morning, kf 12:01 nengard gmcharlt got a question about the last commit last night ... 12:01 nengard I have rebased and my version says 136 but I don't see the new permission 12:01 nengard I was going to document it, but I wasn't prompted to upgrade my db and the permission isn't there .. ideas? 12:03 nengard oh - wait .... 12:06 nengard okay - yes, my version of koha says 136 but i wasn't prompted to upgrade the db and i don't have the new permission ... do i need to rewind something? 12:08 kf I updated my test installation earlier today, I only had an update for hold print notices 12:11 Mulki Test 12:13 Mulki @seek koha 12:13 munin Mulki: Error: "seek" is not a valid command. 12:15 Mulki Test 12:19 owen Holy crap we have a topic! 12:20 jdavidb Holy crap we have an owen! :) Mornin', owen. 12:20 octothorpesarus s 12:21 octothorpesarus oops 12:21 * owen figures ops is wasted on him since he comes and goes 12:41 owen gmcharlt? 12:41 gmcharlt owen: ? 12:42 owen I'm trying to run prove xt/author/valid-templates.t, seems to be hung up at "300/?" 12:54 owen gmcharlt: Is it possible to run the script on just one file? 12:55 * owen thinks he has the batch-del error fixed, would like to test again 12:55 kf owen++ 12:55 kf testing your patch for opac confirmation messages 13:00 nengard gmcharlt, any ideas about my rebase issue? 13:05 owen nengard: I wasn't prompted to update my database this morning after a fetch and rebase 13:05 nengard so i'm not alone ... 13:06 nengard do you have the edit items permission that we're supposed to have? 13:06 kf no, same for me 13:06 owen Under the editcatalogue permission? 13:07 owen I see edit_catalogue and fast_cataloging 13:07 nengard me too 13:07 * magnus did a straight "git pull" and was not prompted to update the database either, "About Koha" reports version .136 13:08 nengard good 13:08 nengard magnus - me too 13:08 kf i have edit_items, edit_catalogue and fast_cataloging 13:08 nengard i love not being alone ;) 13:08 nengard kf ... hmmm - how did you get edit_items... 13:08 kf I dont know? 13:09 kf :( 13:09 kf perhaps it was already there before update? I only saw the print hold notice update message 13:10 kf and that change is older 13:10 magnus um, where is edit_items supposed to be? 13:10 kf its an option under editcatalogue 13:10 kf the second 13:12 owen I wonder if the database update just didn't trigger for us for some reason? 13:13 kf has someone looked at updatedatabase.pl? 13:14 magnus thanks kf, i have edit_catalogue and fast_cataloging, not edit_items 13:15 kf $dbh->do(qq{ 13:15 kf qq? 13:17 magnus http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;hb=HEAD#l3618 13:17 magnus http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/qq.html 13:17 kf ok, I just wondered about the difference to print hold notice update 135 13:18 hdl_laptop kf: qq{ stands for double quote 13:19 kf hdl_laptop: thx 13:19 hdl_laptop kf : but you can do qq{ my beatifull "laundry"} 13:19 hdl_laptop which is somehow more handy 13:19 kf gmcharlt: are you going to push the granular permissions for serials too? need to add all those permissions to my translated sql files 13:20 kf hdl_laptop: really need to learn more about perl 13:20 owen My about page says 3.01.00.136 but my "version" system pref says 3.0200129 13:21 hdl_laptop oops. 13:21 gmcharlt kf: yes, I will 13:21 hdl_laptop there must have been a wrong dbversion number 13:22 kf hm version is missing from the new syspref editor 13:22 owen kf: I think that's by design? 13:22 kf my version is 3.0100136 in about and old syspref editor 13:22 magnus "No system preferences matched your search for version." 13:23 kf but my test installation is not very old 13:25 kf magnus: you can use: ...koha/admin/systempreferences.pl to see the old editor 13:27 magnus kf: thanks, cool! 13:28 kf owen told me :) 13:28 owen And someone told me! Thanks someone! 13:28 magnus "select value from systempreferences where variable = 'version';" reports 3.0200129, about says .136 13:29 magnus thanks kf, owen a nd someone 13:29 magnus s/a nd/and/ 13:32 owen @karma someone 13:32 munin owen: someone has neutral karma. 13:34 magnus someone++ 13:34 magnus they deserve it 13:36 frido hie i'm a french web developper 13:36 owen Hi frido 13:36 frido i think i found a bug 13:37 nahuel :) 13:37 nahuel we have a french channel frido 13:37 magnus "About Koha" seems to get it's number from here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=kohaversion.pl;hb=HEAD 13:37 nahuel on freenode #koha-fr 13:37 frido ah thanks 13:37 nahuel :) 13:37 frido my english is not too bad yet ? 13:38 nahuel no :) 13:38 frido i noticed a bug on facets when using special queries 13:38 nahuel what's the bug ? 13:38 frido for example : "ti:captain" 13:38 frido in seach box 13:39 frido this means a CCL query directly in URL : opac-search?q=ccl=ti:captain 13:40 frido in this case facets links does'nt work, results are the same has without facet limit 13:40 nahuel why do you do a ccl query ? 13:40 nahuel you can do ti=captain 13:40 nahuel directly in search box 13:41 nahuel I fixed a bug of facets, that works if you're on the first result page, but not in the next ones 13:41 frido yes, made a mistake 13:41 nahuel let me find the bugfix 13:41 frido i had this bug when using a link in details page 13:42 frido the link to subject : "/opac-search.pl?q=su:fantasy" 13:42 nahuel in normal view ? 13:42 frido yes 13:42 nahuel strange 13:43 frido facets add a limit like "&limit=branch:BR" 13:44 frido so the URL of facet is : "opac-search.pl?q=ccl=su:fantasy&limit=branch:BR" 13:44 frido I sow in C4/Search.pm that if ":" is detected in query 13:45 nahuel before, the "ccl=" is detected 13:45 frido search is directly computed 13:45 nahuel by zebra 13:46 frido yes, so limit should be converted in CCL language 13:46 nahuel no 13:46 nahuel :) 13:46 frido it is done by Search.pm no ? 13:47 nahuel afaik is there is ccl in query, only the ccl query is passed to zebra 13:47 nahuel koha doesn't add any other stuff 13:47 frido that's what i noticed 13:47 frido but in this case, limits are not used 13:47 frido therefore facets doesn't work 13:47 frido right ? 13:48 nengard owen - me too!! I have 129 in my version pref 13:48 nahuel frido, yep 13:48 nahuel i think it's what happening 13:49 nengard owen did you change that to trigger the update? 13:49 owen No, I was hoping someone would weigh in with an idea as to why it didn't trigger itself 13:50 nengard it didn't trigger because our systems think they're at a higher version 13:50 kf owen+nengard: now i fell alone 13:50 kf fell= feel 13:50 nengard the real question is why do our systems think they're so far ahead? 13:50 frido so it's a real bug ? 13:51 kf time to leave - bye all 13:51 frido i might add it to bugzilla 13:52 frido i think in this case facets shouldn't appear 13:55 frido in addition : link in details page should be "?idx=su&q=fantasy" instead of "?q=su:fantasy" 13:57 chris_n frido: C4::Search is slated for a re-write for 3.4 so you might file that bug against rel_3.4 13:58 sekjal my repo is a little behind (3.01.00.135), and the version syspref is the same as the About page. 13:58 nahuel someone from USA should explain me ... WTF : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1927 13:58 nahuel ????? 13:58 frido chris_n : ok, i have 3.2 alpha 2 13:58 nahuel what is this shit 13:58 nahuel why use a syspref for that ? 13:59 sekjal so, it seems that the desynchronization is either coming from the 3.01.00.136 DB rev, or is local to some systems. will git pull and report back 13:59 sekjal nahuel: I'm not sure why the space separated list to solve that issue... its a bit confusing 14:00 nahuel it's a ... well... 14:00 nengard nahuel, what bug is that? 14:00 nahuel Do developpers have users ? 14:00 nahuel nengard, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4239 14:00 munin 04Bug 4239: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles 14:00 sekjal I suppose its a list of which item types the patron can have concurrent holds on within a single biblio 14:00 nahuel .... 14:00 nengard does seem a bit sloppy 14:00 nahuel sekjal, developpers doesn't know : CHECKBOXES ! 14:01 nahuel i'm afraid.... 14:01 nengard why does it have to be a pref at all - shouldn't it go with the circ rules? 14:01 nahuel nengard, better : in itemtypes settings 14:01 owen nengard: I agree 14:01 sekjal it would probably require a new page/tab/section in the already complex circ rules area, but yes, I think it should be there rather than preferences 14:01 nahuel I think we have enough sysprefs 14:01 frido Is there any version of 3.4 ? 14:02 sekjal frido: no 14:02 nengard nahuel - there are never enough sysprefs :) hehe 14:02 frido ok 14:02 nengard it's the only way for libraries to do things the way they want - and they all want diff things 14:02 nahuel nengard, are you crazy ? 14:02 nahuel :) 14:02 nengard yes I am :) 14:02 sekjal frido: we're still working on getting 3.2 out the door 14:02 nengard but i'm also a control freak 14:02 nengard which means i like a lot of control options 14:02 sekjal but once that's all set, full speed ahead on 3.4! 14:02 nahuel nengard, ok that's why there is weird :) 14:02 nahuel nengard, control option can be outside of sysprefs 14:02 frido yes, i know, but it could be 14:03 nengard nahuel this is true! 14:03 nahuel nengard, like this one :) 14:03 nengard as long as i have control i don't care where it is 14:03 nahuel héhé 14:03 frido why no 3.3 ? 14:03 nahuel nengard, like all our users :) 14:03 nengard and i do agree this one shouldn't be a pref it should be in the itemtypes or circ rules 14:03 nengard sekjal are you checking your version to see if you too have an issue like owen and magnus and I? 14:03 chris_n frido: 3.4 development will be done under 3.3.x revs 14:03 sekjal nengard: yes 14:04 chris_n frido: just as 3.2 is done under 3.1.x 14:04 Colin nengard: happens for me too 14:04 sekjal frido: it's a Linux kernel convention, using even numbers for stable releases and odd for development 14:04 nengard so basically we need to go back and figure out where in our upgrade process our systems thought they were version 129 14:04 frido yes, thanks, i'am aware of that 14:05 frido it's very usefull 14:06 frido thanks for your help 14:06 nengard added a note to the bug nahuel to ask why it's a pref 14:06 nahuel :) 14:06 nahuel thanks nengard 14:06 nengard np 14:06 frido see u ;) 14:09 chris_n nengard, owen: fwiw, fetch and rebase resulted in a db update for me 14:09 nengard :( 14:10 Colin nengard I restored from a backup it thought it was 3.2.129 not 3.1.129 !! 14:10 nengard HA! 14:10 nengard all kinds of screwy going on here 14:12 magnus could it have something to do with k.org vs k-c.org? i guess i'm still pulling from git.koha.org 14:13 nengard magnus - i'm pulling form k-c 14:15 Colin Try this git show e8291a15 14:15 Colin Galen fixed an earlier error that upped us to 3.2 14:15 magnus "fix typo in DBrev - should be 3.01.00.129"? 14:16 nengard same here 14:16 Colin if the insraller ran before that fix all subsequent updates will be ignored 14:16 owen Oh duh... I didn't even notice that wrong 2 in 3.0200129 14:17 nengard so how do we fix this? 14:17 nengard what field do we update to trick the system into upgrading? 14:18 owen nengard: Update your version sys pref to 3.0100129 instead of 3.0200129 14:18 Colin Patch the version back to 3.0100129 and let the installer do its magic 14:18 * owen has his edit_items permission now 14:18 nengard woo hoo 14:19 nengard look at all that stuff i missed - off to update the manual 14:20 magnus "update systempreferences set value = '3.0100129' where variable = 'Version';" did the trick for me 14:22 owen Anyone familiar with this weird column in patron messaging prefs? http://screencast.com/t/Nzk5OGQ3MDEt 14:23 nengard owen never saw it before 14:23 nengard what page was that on? 14:24 owen Everywhere I see that form. In this case memberentry.pl 14:24 * magnus starts the weekend 14:25 ray how can i add the copyright date as part of item call number using dewey classification? 14:26 ray in default i can only add classification and item number 14:27 ray but i want to add the copyright date 14:28 owen ray are you talking about the add item interface? What version of Koha? 14:28 ray i tried to edit the global preference itemcallnumber and add 260c but still no luck 14:28 ray 3.0.6 14:28 nengard ah yeah - you can't do that 14:28 ray is there any option? 14:28 nengard you'll have to type the copyright in yourself when adding an item 14:29 nengard owen i just checked and i don't see that form that way on any page... 14:29 nengard and while we're on the topic - can we please please please remove upcoming evnets since it does nothing? or if it does something now can you tell me what it does? 14:30 ray ahm.. ok. its in the item level that i should write the copyright? 14:30 ray in the full item call number textbox? 14:30 owen nengard: I think the upcoming events line is part of the default database setup 14:30 nengard so - what's stopping us from removing it from the db? 14:30 nengard if it does nothing... 14:30 nengard yes ray 14:30 wizzyrea nengard: it does do something, but you have to have additional software 14:31 wizzyrea did you see that I added a jquery statement to remove it? 14:31 nengard what additional software? 14:31 ray ok tnx! IRC is a great help! 14:31 wizzyrea let me go back and look... bev told me at one point 14:31 gmcharlt owen: yes, there's a way to check validity of an individual template 14:31 nengard wizzyrea - no i didn't - but if you need more software to use it it shoiuld be optional - not on all machines 14:32 wizzyrea yep, I agree 14:32 gmcharlt owen: xt/author/test_template.pl 14:32 wizzyrea and actually 14:32 wizzyrea it was never implemented I guess 14:32 wizzyrea according to the latest thing 14:32 wizzyrea bug 2434 14:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Disable Enhanced Messaging Columns Not In Use 14:32 wizzyrea ta da! 14:32 jwagner_meeting owen, catching up a bit, " weird column in patron messaging prefs" -- I've seen that when the message transports table isn't right. There was a bug at some point with the installation. jdavidb knows the fix. 14:33 owen Thanks jwagner, that was just the path I was heading down. 14:35 owen gmcharlt: xt/author/test_template.pl /path/to/template ? 14:36 nengard is anyone opposed to me writing a patch to remove upcoming events completely? since it's not implemented and caused problems for librarians and patrons alike? 14:36 nengard using jquery is an option - but it seems like a workaround - not a fix 14:36 jwagner nengard, go for it. 14:36 gmcharlt owen: good so far, but there's a second param - path to the template include dir 14:38 owen gmcharlt: Okay, running that spat out a bunch of HTML, but I don't see error messages. 14:39 gmcharlt owen: pipe stdout to /dev/null 14:39 gmcharlt the error message is sent to STDERR 14:40 owen Sorry, you lost me 14:40 gmcharlt xt/author/test_template.pl /path/to/template /path/to/incude > /dev/null 14:41 owen And no news is good news? 14:44 gmcharlt yep 14:50 nengard bug 2434 patch sent 14:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, Remove unimplemented upcoming events message 14:53 wizzyrea nengard++ 15:01 nengard :) 15:01 nengard wizzyrea can you do a pull of the manual? i added a new appendix i want to link to 15:01 wizzyrea ya, sec 15:03 wizzyrea what's the label of the appendix? 15:03 wizzyrea (want to make sure it came over) 15:07 nengard ummm 15:07 nengard something about on oder 15:07 nengard order :) 15:12 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a9384 15:12 wizzyrea this one? 15:14 jcamins nengard++ 15:14 jcamins (just read the Appendix on handling on order items) 15:26 jcamins Is there any way to persuade SQL reports to return more than 16 rows? 15:27 nengard wizzyrea, yes, thanks 15:27 Colin jcamins: theres a hardcoded maxrows that needs to be upped 15:29 wizzyrea ^^ but I thought it was 9999 rows 15:35 Colin I think its less, (but more than 16) I know at the UN on install it was low enough to make all sql reports little more than headers. 15:37 owen nengard: Re: Bug 3972, that template has changed a couple of times since first reported 15:37 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3972 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Locked Budget Showing X and non active budget empty 15:38 nengard owen - going to check 15:39 Colin wizzyrea: more than 16 it used to be 20 15:39 nengard owen closing 15:40 Colin jcamins: look for LIMIT 20 in Reports.pm 15:41 nengard fyi - re the appendix - i didn't write it - the staff at VOKAL did - the credit is in the XML, but not the HTML yet - I may be editing it once I look into this process more 15:41 nengard i'll also probably add screenshots 15:44 jcamins I think I'll just rerun the report as I get through the 16 results that come up. Understanding Reports.pm and Reports/Guided.pm is a bit much for before lunch. 15:46 owen The "six impossible things before breakfast" quote doesn't apply to Perl modules before lunch. 15:48 Colin There are perl modules and then there are Koha perl modules 15:53 owen Anyone know if Bug 2001 can be marked fixed? 15:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2001 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, unAPI doesn't work without public-facing zebra server running on port 9998 15:54 cait hi #koha 16:11 owen jdavidb around? 16:12 * jdavidb is very round, yes. 16:12 wizzyrea tee hee 16:12 nengard ha 16:12 Colin just never call him square 16:12 nengard very goofy too 16:13 owen jwagner says you know of a bug where the message transports table isn't right? 16:13 owen I'm seeing off columns in my patron messaging preferences 16:13 owen Problem with my database? 16:14 jdavidb yes. In the case I recall, one of the message transports simply didn't exist in the table. getting them back in with the default SQL fixed it, for me 16:14 brendan Nate+o 16:15 owen jdavidb: From message_transport_types.sql ? 16:15 jdavidb IIRC, yes. jwagner has an issue with verb tenses at times. 'know' != 'knew'. 16:16 * owen is familiar with this phenomenon 16:21 owen Before: http://screencast.com/t/Nzk5OGQ3MDEt After: http://screencast.com/t/NmM5MzQzM2E 16:21 owen I don't think I'm making progress 16:23 owen Oh, I didn't have anything in my message_transports table. 16:31 Colin Anyone have any experience with open source software for records management ? 17:06 * jdavidb waves to cait. 17:07 * jwagner harrumphs in jdavidb's direction 17:08 * jdavidb smiles happily. jwagner only harrumphs at people she approves of somewhat. Complete disapproval brings a more-negative response. 17:08 wizzyrea hello 17:08 wizzyrea oh 17:08 * wizzyrea waves at jdavidb 17:08 jdavidb Hi, wizzyrea! :D 17:08 * wizzyrea waves at jwagner 17:08 * wizzyrea waves at Cait 17:09 jwagner hi wizzyrea. 17:09 wizzyrea heya 17:12 jwagner gmcharlt or chris, online? 17:13 gmcharlt briefly 17:13 gmcharlt what's up, jwagner ? 17:13 wizzyrea is there something up with the channel 17:13 wizzyrea some people can't send I guess 17:13 jwagner I have a private message from user jccurtis who says he can read the main channel but when he tries to post, he gets #koha Cannot send to channel 17:13 wizzyrea same with cait 17:13 gmcharlt odd 17:13 * owen coughs into the microphone 17:13 jwagner Does the IRC need another smack upside the head? 17:14 wizzyrea well 17:14 jdavidb ooo...so we can speak ill of cait, and she can't reply in kind? ooooooo 17:14 wizzyrea it would be nice bc then someone would have ops 17:14 wizzyrea if we kicked it 17:14 wizzyrea ;) 17:14 jwagner jdavidb, she'll get you in private! 17:14 jdavidb no doubt. 17:14 jdavidb ...aaaand she just did. 17:15 gmcharlt jwagner: if they haven't already, they should try /part 17:15 gmcharlt then rejoin 17:15 * jwagner snickers 17:15 jdavidb See, I can't imagine anyone wanting to speak ill of sweet cait, though. 17:15 jccurtis test 17:15 jccurtis aha 17:15 gmcharlt cait: please try speaking now 17:15 * gmcharlt wonders who set +m on this channel 17:15 gmcharlt that was the problem 17:16 * jwagner warns people to beware of jdavidb when he's speaking nice about someone.... 17:16 jccurtis thanks gmcharlt 17:16 cait t 17:16 cait hey 17:16 cait im back 17:16 cait :) 17:16 jccurtis could i ask a few questions about koha? 17:17 jwagner welcome back cait 17:17 * cait is really relieved now 17:17 cait thx 17:17 jwagner jccurtis, go ahead & ask 17:17 jccurtis ok 17:18 jccurtis about a year ago i set up a koha server for my seminary 17:18 jccurtis and today i upgraded to 3.0.6 17:18 jccurtis and i've been going through the error logs 17:18 jccurtis noticed a few things that i can't figure out 17:18 jccurtis here's one: 17:19 jccurtis [Fri Jun 04 11:52:47 2010] [error] [client 192.168.168.101] [Fri Jun 4 11:52:47 2010] opac-search.pl: "my" variable $content_type masks earlier declaration in same scope at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 582., referer: http://192.168.168.8/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 17:19 jccurtis [Fri Jun 04 11:52:48 2010] [error] [client 192.168.168.101] script not found or unable to stat: /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/-, referer: http://192.168.168.8/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=thomas 17:19 wizzyrea OH 17:19 wizzyrea wow 17:19 wizzyrea there are lots of ops now 17:20 * jdavidb wondered when wizzyrea would notice that she *is* an op. 17:20 wizzyrea HA. Oh lordie. 17:21 jwagner "women and children first to the lifeboats!" 17:21 wizzyrea did someone do that on purpose or is it just chance 17:25 gmcharlt wizzyrea: dunno 17:25 gmcharlt note that IRC modes aren't the same on all servers 17:25 gmcharlt somebody may have thought that +m would do something else 17:25 firstborn hi folks 17:25 firstborn can i post a question 17:26 * wizzyrea didn't even know she had ops until 2 minutes ago ^.^ 17:26 jdavidb @roulette 17:26 munin jdavidb: *click* 17:26 wizzyrea firstborn: of cours 17:26 cait can i get ops? 17:26 jdavidb hm... 17:26 jdavidb @roulette 17:26 munin jdavidb: *click* 17:26 jdavidb @roulette 17:26 munin jdavidb: *click* 17:26 * cait is afraid of being locked out again g 17:26 firstborn its regarding data not searchable in koha....any suggestions 17:26 cait @roulette 17:26 munin cait: *click* 17:26 jdavidb darn. 17:26 jdavidb @roulette 17:26 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 17:26 cait hey 17:27 cait lol 17:27 * jdavidb falls out of his chair laughing. 17:27 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 17:27 wizzyrea for firstborn 17:27 wizzyrea any of those seem like they might be aplicable? 17:28 firstborn thanx wizzyrea...but it happened after restoring mysql using mysql administrator in debian lenny 17:28 wizzyrea did you reindex after doing that? 17:28 firstborn otherwise biblio created manually no problem 17:29 firstborn i did rebuild zebra but negativw 17:29 wizzyrea so new stuff is getting indexed, but the old stuff isn't? 17:31 firstborn yeah .... search in patrons shows data but catalogue search and opac not displayed 17:33 braedon|home wizzyrea: 'grats on the ops :P 17:33 braedon|home firstborn: have a look at some of the rebuild options 17:34 * braedon|home has previously found issues with the options usually used 17:34 wizzyrea heh 17:35 firstborn what im worried is that are my data restored in the new server...since not searcable 17:36 braedon|home do you have database access? could check the tables manually 17:36 firstborn ya i do have...access 17:37 braedon|home hmm, you probably do have "Access"... more meaning with something useful like phpmyadmin :P 17:37 cait bug 3682: ok to change message_name to varchar(40)? 17:37 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3682 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, message type in messaging table not translatable 17:37 braedon|home though you could always script a query to check :) 17:39 * braedon|home just got the other meaning of "Access" if that is what you were meaning - awake for 30 hours on 3 hours sleep... 17:39 jccurtis anyone know why opac-search.pl would be calling /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/- 17:39 jccurtis that dash looks suspicious 17:41 braedon|home hey, that is profiling! -'s are resource names too! 17:41 firstborn is it better than mysqladmin...braedon/home 17:41 firstborn is reindexing the only solution so that data r searcable 17:42 braedon|home well, reindexing will only work if the data is actually there - if this is in doubt a check of the database should probably be your first port of call 17:43 braedon|home if the data is intact, there a bunch of options reindex can be called with, that modify what is reindexed, and how. 17:43 chris_n cait: that should be vine 17:43 chris_n fine even 17:44 braedon|home if the reindex is not picking data up, you may be calling it with the wrong options for the task 17:44 wizzyrea or with the wrong user 17:44 wizzyrea or any one of the several things listed on the faq 17:44 cait chris_n: vine? 17:45 cait ah, sorry 17:45 * chris_n 's fingers got crossed on the keyboard :) 17:45 firstborn check on the databse and its same MB size as the backup database 17:45 cait :) 17:46 chris_n firstborn: have you gone through all of this: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 17:46 chris_n if no, you probably should first 17:47 firstborn sure chris_n i wil repeat the procedure...i guess it should work 17:47 chris_n firstborn: so you have been through the FAQ? 17:48 firstborn ya did again jus nw 17:49 braedon|home when you call rebuild_zebra, what options do you give it? " -b -a -z" or " -b -a -r"? 17:49 chris_n firstborn: is this a fresh install? and what version? 17:50 chris_n also have you run rebuild_zebra.pl with -v to see if there are any indexing errors? 17:58 firstborn retored from a another machine similar in OS debian lenny and same koha version .....rebuils uisng -b-a-z 17:58 firstborn debian 5.0.2 koha 3.00.03 17:59 braedon|home that would be your problem 17:59 braedon|home using -z only adds items in the zebraqueue 18:00 braedon|home it doesn't search the database 18:00 braedon|home if i remember correctly 18:00 braedon|home to do a complete rebuild, use "-b -a -r" 18:01 braedon|home "-b -a -z" is used in cron jobs to process the zebra queue 18:03 firstborn i gues nothing to do with the versions or bugs if any 18:04 braedon|home well, if "-b -a -r" there may well be other issues 18:04 braedon|home if "-b -a -r" doesn't work* 18:04 braedon|home but that looks likely at the moment 18:04 braedon|home " -b -a -z" shouldn't work 18:04 braedon|home if i remeber correctly... 18:08 chris_n that information would be found here: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#20 18:09 chris_n in the faq I referenced earlier 18:09 braedon|home inded 18:10 braedon|home s/inded/indeed/ 19:15 owen Hi pianohackr|work 19:16 pianohackr|work hi owen 19:21 wizzyrea PHW 19:39 schuster pianohackr|work - so are you really working someplace? 19:39 pianohackr|work hi wizzy 19:40 pianohackr|work schuster: Yup, at a library in the area 19:46 jccurtis does anyone here use the google books option? 19:54 D_Ulm Hello all, what is the news? 19:57 wizzyrea killin bugs, making great software, the usual. :) 20:09 wizzyrea I guess that wasn't the news he was hoping for 20:11 pianohackr|work Waiting for a nice, vlan-capable switch in the mail? 20:11 pianohackr|work Maybe that'll work 20:14 cait nengard: around? 20:28 wizzyrea I think she's gone for the day 20:35 schuster have a nice weekend everyone - I'll be trying to get that Debian squeeze up and running with Koha from Lars instructions. 20:50 cait hm is there a problem with the mailing lists? I send a patch and changed the bug several times, but got no mails 21:04 chris_n cait: which bug? 21:05 cait bug 3682 21:05 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3682 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, message type in messaging table not translatable 21:05 * chris_n has not received it either 21:05 chris_n bbl 21:16 cait quality contact was missing, will resend patch tomorro 21:16 cait w 21:51 wizzyrea http://blog.hartwork.org/__images/wtfm_thom_holwerda.jpg 21:59 nengard he he 22:58 smatrinidad Anyone here able to help with 3.0.6 installation? 22:59 smatrinidad I've gotten to the end and it appears I need to change some apache file, since I'm not getting to the Koha stuff - only to "It works!" 22:59 brendan did you edit the koha-httpd.conf file or move that into the right spot? 23:00 smatrinidad That's the problem: the instructions mention that, but don't say EXACTLY what needs to be changed - just some nebulous information about virtualhosts. 23:01 smatrinidad I've edited all kinds of things relating to that (with restarting apache each time), and still have wasted the entire day getting nowhere. 23:02 brendan well one thing to do first is to disable the default apache site 23:02 smatrinidad I hardly have any experience with this end of apache, and the apache manual didn't help, since I don't know what I am trying to find. 23:02 brendan I forget the command - but you could google it - it's something like --> a2dissite default 23:03 smatrinidad Okay. How would I disable that first site? I tried moving 000-default to another name then linking koha to 000-default, thinking that would make Koha the default, but that didn't change anything. 23:03 brendan then you'll need to create an symbolic link from your koha-httpd.conf --> into the /etc/apach32/sites-available/ directory 23:03 brendan sorry typo in there -- that should be an e not a 3 23:04 smatrinidad Ah. The dissite command IS mentioned in the instructions, but it also says it may have undesireable side effects. 23:04 smatrinidad Thus, I was trying other things first. 23:04 smatrinidad The command "sudo a2dissite default" may be a quick fix, but may have side-effects. See the Apache HTTPD manual section on virtual hosts for full instructions. 23:09 smatrinidad The strange thing is that, when I first started experimenting with Koha over a year ago, none of this stuff was necessary - it just installed without all the rest of these steps. Now that I'm trying 3.0.6 on a fresh Debian installation, the installation seems to involve a lot more than I remember. 23:15 smatrinidad Just undid all my edits then did the a2dissite, and now the default "It works!" doesn't show up any more. 23:16 smatrinidad Instead, it gives me a directory listing of /usr/share/koha 23:16 smatrinidad Same on port 8080 23:30 smatrinidad Trying again. Any answers? 23:36 smatrinidad Guess not. 23:55 smatrinidad Found the problem while awaiting a response. 23:56 smatrinidad I had followed the instructions and gone to the Apache httpd manual's information about virtual hosts. 23:57 smatrinidad It said I needed to add some lines to /etc/apache2/httpd.conf but those lines turned out to be getting in the way of the ones from the koha files. 23:58 smatrinidad Now that I have removed those, it appears to be working. 23:58 smatrinidad They were NOT there originally, and it still hadn't worked, but that was before the a2dissite command to disable the default site.