Time  Nick            Message
00:59 CGI566          Hi All
01:01 CGI566          am having an issue with the Shelf browser in Koha, the shelf browser is showing some weired images, it is repeating the same image for all the books, does anybody sugest a solution for this
02:29 brendan         @wunder 93117
02:29 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.7�C (7:29 PM PDT on May 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).  Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening... 
03:37 Amit            heya chris
03:37 chris           hi Amit
03:42 hdl_laptop      hi all
03:43 Amit            heya hdl_laptop
03:43 brendan         hi amit hdl_laptop
03:43 Amit            heya brendan
03:43 hdl_laptop      brendan: must be very late for you
03:44 brendan         8:47pm local time
03:44 brendan         so not too late yet ;)
03:51 pianohacker     Hi, brendan
03:52 hdl_laptop      hi pianohacker
03:52 pianohacker     and hdl
03:53 pianohacker     hey, joetho, what are you doing here this late?
03:54 joetho          too weird:
03:54 joetho          http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage
03:54 brendan         hi pianohacker
03:54 pianohacker     well, git is weird
03:54 joetho          "if you are a developer from, oh, say, the Nelsonvillle library, etc etc"
03:54 joetho          last edit was this week
03:55 chris           well we could edit it
03:55 chris           oh no wait we cant
03:55 pianohacker     a template designer from the nelsonville library? Who on earth could that be, scooby?
03:55 chris           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
03:56 chris           its been there for a while :)
03:56 chris           thats what happens when you let me write stuff
03:57 joetho          yes, but the koha.org one is being currently edited
03:57 chris           http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=start&do=diff  <-- thats an interesting edit
03:57 pianohacker     More than good enough; I think most of the active devels at the moment got started from that doc
03:57 chris           yeah but who uses that old wiki anyway? :-)
03:57 brendan         chris not interesting, wrong
03:57 brendan         ;)
03:58 chris           joetho: that was edited by a spammer (the git page)
03:58 chris           thats why i tweeted this
03:58 pianohacker     hrm. ctf?
03:58 chris           http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/14546027960
03:58 brendan         clay
03:58 pianohacker     wow, that is weird
03:58 chris           under oriders
03:58 chris           i bet
03:58 pianohacker     yup
03:58 chris           just like turning bugs.koha.org back on
03:59 chris           and changing the links for downloading koha on the old koha site
03:59 chris           i dont think they can let a week go by without doing something bizzare
03:59 pianohacker     there was that oddly passive-aggressive, "disappointed" press release, in the same vein, though that's old news
04:00 chris           the vomit comment still takes the cake
04:00 larsw           vomit?
04:01 chris           http://www.web2learning.net/archives/3848/comment-page-1#comment-181175
04:02 chris           joetho: there is spam on the front page of the old wiki now too, links to online betting sites
04:02 larsw           ooh, I think I missed that
04:02 pianohacker     chris: is there spam protection for the new wiki, or are we relying on someone watching the recent changes page?
04:03 chris           there is for automated spam
04:03 pianohacker     okay, cool
04:03 chris           but a human can still put some up (which is what looks like what happend on the old wiki .. it used to happen a bit)
04:03 chris           i have rss feeds of the changes, so i usually go revert if i spot any
04:04 chris           http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?do=revisions&id=start
04:04 robin           Maybe you should just quietly edit old wiki links to point to pages on the new wiki, so it gets all the google juice
04:04 larsw           the cost of freedom (allowing anyone to edit) is occasional vigilance (checking recentchanges for malicious stuff)
04:04 chris           well they killed all our logins robin
04:04 chris           so i could make a new one i guess .. but i really dont want to get in a wiki edit war with them
04:04 robin           oh, so it's not a public wiki?
04:04 pianohacker     chris: dear god, I missed that
04:05 larsw           hmm... I can't log in using my openid
04:05 chris           actually can you see a link to make a new account?
04:06 chris           yeah they kicked at least 4 ppl i know of out .. make that 5 countin you lars
04:06 pianohacker     Mine's missing too
04:06 chris           make that everyone
04:07 larsw           login page does not have a registration button
04:07 chris           yeah, and no way to make an account
04:07 chris           as i say, a bizarre decision each week
04:09 chris           http://twitter.com/oleonard/status/14507760549
04:16 chris           http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreader.asp?ArticleID=67309
04:16 chris           some glaring factual errors in there
04:22 larsw           "www.koha.org, the corporate website developed by LibLime" -- I thought the website was created by many people and organisations, over the years, was I wrong?
04:23 chris           yeah
04:23 chris           liblime shifted it to plone, but most of the content was by others
04:23 chris           the list of features, barring marc21 holdings are all in official koha too
04:24 chris           and the version number is 3.2.0 ...
04:32 larsw           "Choosing an ILS should be an objective process, not a subjective one." -- that is perhaps the most glaring error of all... so many aspects of choosing a complicated software system are not objectively quantifiable that is is _never_ an objective process
04:32 larsw           but that's perhaps off-topic, again, for #koha, sorry
04:32 pianohacker     Hahahaha you have obviously not seen quite how off-topic we can get ;)
04:33 pianohacker     That's actually fairly apropos, relative to some of the other stuff on here
04:33 chris           pragmatists often forget that pragmatism is an ideaology too
04:33 larsw           pianohacker, I can try to not make it worse, though :)
04:34 pianohacker     Right. And yeah, choosing software objectively can be actively dangerous
04:35 pianohacker     You'll end up with something that has every feature on your long list
04:35 pianohacker     And an "estimated TCO" that falls within your budget
04:36 pianohacker     But it's uglier than sin and has an incredibly asinine ui
04:36 chris           *nod*
04:40 pianohacker     not that I'm talking about, say, most of the popular proprietary ILSs or anything
04:40 mason           lol, http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreader.asp?ArticleID=67309
04:40 mason           " not on www.koha-community.org, the official website of the loose worldwide consortium of Koha developers and users"
04:41 pianohacker     mason: we were just ragging on that
04:41 pianohacker     who's feeling loose today?
04:41 mason           damn, i thought we were all tight?
04:42 mason           jesse, you and me are still tight, surely... ?
04:42 pianohacker     Of course, bro
04:42 mason           sweet ;)
04:43 mason           secretly, i thought so...
04:43 mason           but , was just checkin'
04:43 pianohacker     hehehe
04:45 mason           'loose worldwide consortium'
04:46 mason           the 'loose worldwide consortium' of facebook users
04:46 pianohacker     On that note, I should probably head out, getting a bit late
04:46 pianohacker     mason++
04:47 pianohacker     night, all
04:47 chris           cya pianohacker
04:47 kmkale          good morning all
04:48 chris           hi kmkale
04:48 kmkale          hi chris
04:52 mason           cya jesse
04:52 mason           wow, sure was nice to catch-up with an old liblime workmate...
04:53 chris           he is good value, his new sys prefs interface rules
04:53 mason           hi chris, kmkale
04:55 kmkale          hi mason
04:56 mason           yep, im greatfull every time i use it, which is often
05:26 Amit            heya mason, kmkale
05:27 kmkale          hi Amit
06:46 CGI152          enable
06:47 CGI152          logout
08:01 cait            good morning #koha
08:05 chris           hiya cait
08:14 cait            hi chris
08:14 cait            will you comment on the article?
08:15 chris           i did, its waiting in moderation
08:15 chris           i said those features (except holdings) are in 3.2 and its 3.2 not 3.1
08:15 chris           i didnt comment on the site bit
08:16 cait            ah ok :)
09:37 eiro            hello koha people!
09:47 chris           hi eiro
09:48 cait            h eiro
09:52 * mason         waves
09:52 eiro            wow! mason, chris! long time not reading you.
09:53 eiro            how are you, guys ?
09:53 mason           v. good here :)
09:53 mason           raining, with storm warning..
09:54 chris           http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=maori+battalion
09:54 mason           http://metservice.com/national/warnings/index
09:54 * chris         goes to catch a taxi home
09:54 eiro            oohhh ... we have our first sunny days of summer here! a shiny blue sky
09:55 mason           heh, lets swap!
09:56 eiro            no way mason! we just leave a very cold winter :->
09:56 mason           and i setup a macbook with ubuntu last week, very happy
09:56 mason           alt-tab switching is very snappy with default ubuntu
09:57 mason           faster than iterm+snow-lep switching anyhoo..
09:58 eiro            ohhh ... i have to reinstall soon! i'm still under jaunty and it's borring to maintain my own debian packages for perl
09:58 mason           wow, so old
09:59 mason           ubuntu seems to get better every release
09:59 mason           but i digress...
10:00 eiro            yup ... btw i really would like to have the time to test another distrib. I really don't like the way ubuntu goes on. nixos and archlinux seems to be awesome
10:00 mason           hmm, dont?
10:01 mason           actually, the ubuntu/kubuntu thing i just discovered!
10:01 mason           meaning i didnt release the difference was gnome/kde
10:02 mason           btw, i have not seen nixos or arch, ill try to have a look...
10:05 eiro            well ... archlinux tries a KISS approach the debian derrivatives begun to loose
10:07 mason           yeah,
10:07 mason           as a desktop goes, i dont even wanna *have to* choose between ubuntu or kubuntu
10:08 mason           :)
10:08 eiro            :-)
10:09 mason           package up a good working dev-stack, and ill use it
10:09 mason           i also want to use what everyone is using too, so if i get stuck i can ask for help :)
10:15 eiro            well ... it's our production system and we did lot of stuff on debian. it's the only one reason
10:20 chris           back
10:36 cait            the new hlt catalog and website look nice
10:40 chris           thanks, katipo did the design work, catalyst did the koha upgrade
11:36 gmcharlt        good morning
11:37 jdavidb         Hello, #koha.
11:39 chris           morning jdavidb, jwagner and gmcharlt
11:40 chris           http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=maori+battalion  (2nd load of the page should be faster than the first)
11:40 jwagner         morning, all
11:41 cait            hi gmcharlt, jwagner and jdavidb
11:41 * jdavidb       waves to chris and cait.
11:48 * cait          waves back
11:49 cait            :)
12:00 gmcharlt        nahuel: reminder - please remove the https links from http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
12:11 nahuel          gmcharlt, fixed
12:11 gmcharlt        nahuel++
12:15 chris           thanks nahuel
12:15 nahuel          :)
12:16 owen            "Some of the enhancements to Koha currently available only in LibLime's Enterprise Koha include an integrated Zebra search engine" Wha?
12:18 chris           heh yeah
12:19 chris           someone doesnt quite have his facts right
12:19 owen            Not to mention "the official Koha Project release (currently 3.02)" That's what you get for getting all your facts from Liblime.com
12:33 jwagner         owen, what link are you looking at?
12:33 owen            http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/Harley-From-PTFSLibLime-What-It-Isand-Isnt-67309.asp
12:37 mason           Q: whats the historical default z39-server *port* ? is there one?
12:38 nahuel          mason, grep z3950 /etc/services
12:38 mason           http://bit.ly/cTK4y7
12:38 gmcharlt        mason: 210
12:39 mason           i was going with 210, ta
12:40 genji           wow... ptfs being publically honest..
12:40 genji           as upposed to liblime's tightlip. this is cool.
12:43 chris           genji: huh?
12:44 genji           liblime, if they released something, would claim things..
12:44 genji           ptfs, is doing the opposite. they are contributing.
12:46 * owen          wonders how long it takes for comments to get approved on infotoday.com
12:51 genji           3.0.6, hiding marc fields / subfields, works?
12:52 * owen          's comment will probably be rejected as redundantly nit-picking
12:56 chris           heh
13:12 genji           hiya... can someone give me the opendns dns server ip numbers?
13:13 genji           seems my isp's dns server is down.. so.. the connections i have open... are the only ones im going to get, unless i use ip numbers.. im thinking..
13:16 bgkriegel       genji, http://pastebin.com/iFFY8iqu
13:17 genji           can't get pastebin
13:17 bgkriegel       sorry
13:17 genji           its a new connection with domain name not cached.
13:17 bgkriegel       auth1.opendns.com has address
13:17 genji           thanks..
13:17 bgkriegel       auth2.opendns.com has address
13:17 bgkriegel       auth3.opendns.com has address
13:21 genji           no good
13:22 genji           anyone got another dns server ip address?
13:22 joerg           hi
13:22 joerg           is koha a NZ based project?
13:22 joerg           or is it just the server?
13:24 genji           it was born in nz.. and the original developers still support it.
13:24 genji           But, its a worldwide phenomena now.
13:30 bgkriegel       genji,
13:30 bgkriegel       try
13:31 gmcharlt        jwagner_meeting: your account (reported by and CC list membership) is now linked up to all of the relevant bugs in the new BZ
13:32 genji           hmm. found something odd..
13:33 genji           my router isn't forwarding dns requests anymore...
13:33 genji           its not my isp...
13:33 bgkriegel       sounds bad
13:33 genji           i grabbed my isp's dns... put them into my linux boxes resov.conf..
13:33 genji           it worked...
13:49 gmcharlt        owen: could you take a look at koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/batchMod-del.tmpl
13:49 gmcharlt        your patch for 4443 appears to have introduced a structural error in the template logic
13:49 owen            Sure
13:50 gmcharlt        thanks
13:52 sekjal          Are files uploaded to Koha via the GUI encrypted or hashed in any way?
13:53 owen            Thanks for the reminder gmcharlt . I saw your note in the bug report but lost track of it in my to-do list
13:53 gmcharlt        sekjal: which files?  uploaded how?
13:54 sekjal          for example, if a library uploaded a CSV of borrower information with plaintext passwords, would that pose a security risk?
13:55 sekjal          gmchartl: mostly concerned with borrower import information, but really any file uploaded from a librarian desktop to their Koha server via the GUI
13:59 gmcharlt        ah
13:59 gmcharlt        the "GUI" wording threw me off
13:59 gmcharlt        such files aren't encrypted on the server
13:59 gmcharlt        if the library is concerned about transport-layer security
14:00 gmcharlt        they could enable SSL for the staff interface
14:00 sekjal          thanks, gmcharlt.  exactly what I needed to know.
14:16 joerg           cool....I have been to NZ last year :) and probably gonna come back for summer in the beginning of next year....
14:17 joerg           anyway has anybody tried that 3.0.x virtualbox image?
14:17 joerg           just downloaded it because I thought that should be the easiest way to get an impression of koha....
14:17 joerg           unfortunately it does not boot (grub reports error 18)
14:31 rhcl            Hi cait
14:36 libtek          Good morning.  I've come in today to find my Koha server unresponsive in the browser.  I can't bring up the web services at all, yet I can ping and remote in just fine.  I've tried restarting apache (sudo apache2ctl restart), but that didn't make any difference.  Anyone have any ideas what to try next?
14:36 libtek          I just get a "webpage can not be found" error page.
14:37 libtek          For both staff and opac.
14:38 owen            libtek: And you were able to reach Koha before?
14:41 bgkriegel       libtek: can be a dns problem?
14:42 wizzyrea        says he can ping, but doesn't say if by name or by number
14:42 wizzyrea        anything in the apache logs?
14:44 libtek          We are not using a dns for this box.  Doing all testing strictly by IP.  IP hasn't changed.  Where would I find apache logs?  Not seeing them in /etc/apache2/
14:44 bgkriegel       no, look on /var/log/apache2
14:45 bgkriegel       and on /var/log/koha
14:47 libtek          I'm seeing many lines in the error.log for apache that say "[error] [client] File does not exist: /htdocs" (72 is my workstation)
14:52 libtek          Not seeing anything in the koha error logs since Friday when I was last on.
14:53 wizzyrea        it dosn't do anything or it times out with file not found or...
14:53 wizzyrea        oh, nm, reading fail
14:53 wizzyrea        sudo a2dissite default
14:54 wizzyrea        sounds to me like your default site is irritating your koha install
14:58 libtek          Hmmm...I thought I disabled my default site.  I'll try disabling it again....
14:58 libtek          already disabled
14:59 bgkriegel       and your koha site is enabled? look on /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
15:01 libtek          yep
15:04 mason           apache debugging is a bitch... :/
15:05 mason           sudo  apache2ctl  -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS
15:06 mason           thats the command that helps me find my complex apache-conf errors
15:06 mason           and the apache access/error logs files too
15:07 mason           helps to reveal fall-thru errors in your apache's vhost blocks
15:08 bgkriegel       are things ok to "sudo apache2ctl configtest"?
15:08 pastebot        "libtek" at pasted "sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS results" (5 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/15
15:08 mason           ahhhh...
15:09 libtek          I'm seeing this "NameVitualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
15:09 mason           ''  should be *:80 etc.
15:10 mason           127.* means that you can only access koha via loopback interface?
15:11 mason           you should be using the example koha-httpd.conf files
15:13 mason           sounds like you just need to remember what to unbreak
15:15 libtek          I'll look at the .conf file...
15:17 mason           whatever caused the 127.* mod is prolly when it got broke :)
15:19 mason           a
15:19 mason           b
15:19 mason           c
15:19 mason           d
15:19 mason           e
15:19 libtek          questions is, which do I look at..I'm not sure which copy is the active koha-httpd.conf file.  I have 5 that I have found
15:19 mason           lol
15:20 mason           remove *all* but one ;)
15:20 mason           and start with that one...
15:21 libtek          any suggestion which one to keep?  Where should it be living?
15:21 mason           then you def. know which one is active!
15:21 mason           lives in /etc/apache/site-enabled
15:21 mason           start with just 1 file..
15:22 jwagner         gmcharlt, thanks for the BZ reset
15:23 mason           a config error in the other conf files, can cause weird behaviour in your *correct* config file
15:24 libtek          not here...I have it in the /build/koha-2.00.06/blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/, and /build/koha-3.00.06/etc/ folders, (also same folders for ver 3.00.02) and then in /etc/koha
15:24 libtek          I am assuming it would be the one in /etc/koha
15:24 mason           something your conf file can be OK, its another one thats causing the problem
15:25 libtek          I also have a file that came up on the locate /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf_koha_3_00_02_12.  I am wondering if that was created during the upgrade?
15:27 bgkriegel       libtek: yes, thats the type of renaming of the upgrade
15:27 mason           erm, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/  is the correct dir
15:28 libtek          this file is ringing a bell.  I think I had replaced the local address with the actual address of the box.
15:28 bgkriegel       may be you need to replace your new koha-httpd.conf with the old one
15:28 mason           cp  /build/koha-3.00.06/etc/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache/sites-enabled
15:29 mason           apache2ctl restart ;)
15:29 mason           oops, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
15:30 bgkriegel       if prefer to link it, ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.con /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha, and then a2ensite koha
15:30 mason           im appling the KISS method
15:31 mason           appling spelling! :/
15:31 libtek          the only thing in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled is koha.  Nothing else.  So, I'll put a copy of this file in there, and I'll modify it ensuring the box's address is specifically used, and then restart apache.
15:31 bgkriegel       :)
15:33 mason           yeah, IP:80 or *:80 should do it
15:38 libtek          Can't seem to copy the file to the sites-enabled folder for some reason.
15:38 bgkriegel       permissions?
15:39 libtek          using sudo.  Shouldn't be an issue.  Not throwing up an error.
15:42 mason           ah, just clicked.. its a koha2 and 3 on one box
15:47 libtek          I am back up and running.  Thanks guys.  That was good to learn.
15:48 mason           nice one! ;)
15:51 libtek          I have a logistics question I'd like to ask you guys about types and collections, if you have a moment.
15:56 libtek          I know that item type is used to define circulation rules (i.e. checkout length and fines,etc).  However, I notice that in advanced search, you can filter your search by type.  What kinds of types do you use?  How do you deal with things like this:  You have a type called BOOK that checks out for 28 days, but you have a type called NEW that checks out for 14 days.  Do you end up with both of these types in the advanced search?  Se
15:56 cait            @karma
15:56 munin           cait: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (145), "chris" (132), and "owen" (108).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-39), and "-" (-25).  You (cait) are ranked 26 out of 844.
15:57 libtek          Is there anyway to define circulation rules around something other than type?
15:57 jdavidb         @karma
15:57 munin           jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (145), "chris" (132), and "owen" (108).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-39), and "-" (-25).  You (jdavidb) are ranked 12 out of 844.
15:57 jdavidb         12?  wow.
15:57 cait            :)
15:57 owen            libtek: You can't define circ rules around anything but itemtype, but you can configure collection codes as alternative categories
15:58 owen            collection codes don't have any bearing on circulation, but you can set up the opac advanced search to filter on them
16:00 libtek          owen: Is this how you do it?  I saw that, but it just seemed kinda backwards to set collection codes to be the formats to sort by.
16:01 owen            libtek: We have a few broad categories for circulation rules: General, audio-visual, non-circulating
16:01 owen            Then we have collection codes to define many genre/audience categories like Adult Fiction, Mystery, Juvenile non-fiction, etc.
16:01 libtek          owen?: not to say it is wrong, or that you are backwards ;)
16:02 libtek          I see...
16:02 libtek          Okay...that gives me something to chew on.  Thanks for the input.
16:03 libtek          owen: what is the address to your catalog?  Do you mind me looking at what you've done?
16:03 owen            http://search.myacpl.org
16:03 libtek          thanks
16:04 owen            Personally I think we've got too many collection codes, but revisiting it is too complicated at the moment
16:07 libtek          It's great.  Really gives me an idea and direction.  Thanks again.
16:17 cait            @roulette
16:17 munin           *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
16:17 * munin         reloads and spins the chambers.
16:18 jdavidb         @roulette
16:18 munin           jdavidb: *click*
16:18 cait            @roulette
16:18 munin           cait: *click*
16:18 jdavidb         rats.
16:18 jdavidb         @roulette
16:18 munin           jdavidb: *click*
16:18 cait            @roulette
16:18 munin           *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
16:18 * munin         reloads and spins the chambers.
16:18 cait            bad day?
16:18 jdavidb         less-than-stellar.
16:18 * cait          sends some chocolate
16:19 jdavidb         thanks. :)
16:22 hdl_laptop      jwagner_meeting: not there...
17:44 pianohacker     good morning
17:44 jwagner_meeting a pianohacker sighting!  We've missed you!
17:45 pianohacker     Woah there. Hi jwagner
17:49 jwagner         Where have you been, Jesse?
17:50 pianohacker     School :P
17:50 joetho          Senior in high school? in May?
17:50 pianohacker     Just graduated :)
17:50 joetho          banquets
17:50 joetho          awards assemblies
17:50 joetho          pranks
17:51 joetho          ditching sixth hour
17:51 pianohacker     Ahah, not for this online school hermit. Mainly, they were keeping me busy with, well, schoolwork
17:51 joetho          I'm not even close, am I
17:51 joetho          getting caught up with three years worth of assignments?
17:52 joetho          anyway congratulations.
17:52 jwagner         Yes indeed, congrats on the graduation.  Where are you headed next?
17:52 pianohacker     Thanks. School of Mines, here in colorado
17:52 * jdavidb       waves to pianohacker.
17:52 joetho          hey my brother in law went there
17:52 pianohacker     hi jdavidb
17:52 pianohacker     Oh, hey cool
17:53 jwagner         I'm somewhat familiar with New Mexico school of mines, but not Colorado's
17:53 joetho          no, he divorced my sister after 35 years of marriage. Don't learn that.
17:53 * gmcharlt      sneaks around pianohacker and chains him to #koha
17:53 pianohacker     haha
17:53 pianohacker     gah!
17:53 joetho          Preferences interface.
17:53 * jdavidb       adds duct tape to gmcharlt's chains, Just In Case.
17:53 pianohacker     you'll never take me alive!
17:53 jwagner         gmcharlt, you could accomplish the same thing by assigning all the open bug reports to him.
17:54 * joetho        says chains come in many flavors
17:54 jwagner         chocolate?
17:54 joetho          sure
17:54 pianohacker     Hey, chocolate works
17:55 owen            Hey pianohacker!
17:55 pianohacker     Hi owen
18:10 collum          owen: just checked infotoday and your and chris' comments were published.
18:12 owen            Interesting...the author's response to my comment doesn't seem to have any bearing to what I wrote.
18:13 joetho          i noticed that
18:13 collum          yep.  I noticed that, as well.
18:13 joetho          which is odd, considering what he wrote in the first place
18:13 joetho          the world is a funny place
18:19 libtek          owen: are you available?
18:19 owen            Yes
18:19 libtek          What version of Koha are you running?
18:20 owen            Our library's installation is based on HEAD, but is a few months behind it. Koha reports itself as
18:21 libtek          HEAD?
18:21 libtek          What is that?
18:22 owen            It's one of two main branches of Koha development
18:22 libtek          ah...
18:22 owen            The stable branch results in 3.0.6. HEAD, the unstable branch, will eventually be 3.2
18:22 owen            By the way you can check any Koha OPAC's self-reported version number by viewing source on an OPAC page
18:23 owen            You'll see this tag near the top: <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0100061" />
18:25 libtek          I was trying to figure out why my advanced search screen structure looks different than yours.  I'm noticing that I get an extra line on the limit section that says "Limit type to: match any of the folowing:" just below the line that says "Limit to any of the following:"  I also get a second version coming from who knows what source when I select "[More options]" at the bottom of the screen.
18:26 libtek          I'm going to have to look at the files that structure this page.
18:26 owen            What version are you on?
18:26 libtek          I see the source info.  Thanks for the clue.
18:26 libtek          I am on 3.00.06.
18:27 * owen          thinks one of these days he'll get a 3.0.x installation running for testing
18:29 libtek          /etc
18:29 libtek          oops
18:32 pianohacker     Heh, at least it wasn't 'Password: '
18:33 libtek          I'm not completely:)
18:33 libtek          ug!
18:45 chris           morning
18:46 pianohacker     morning chris
18:58 rhcl            pianohacker: are you the coder of Powerline?
18:59 pianohacker     rhcl: Yes I am
18:59 pianohacker     Working on at this very moment, in fact
19:00 rhcl            ic. Somebody emailed me about it this AM wanting some help and I was wondering about the status of the project.
19:00 pianohacker     rhcl: It's been languishing for a while. I've been working on it in my spare time, but there hadn't been much of that
19:01 pianohacker     The previous version is pretty stable, but requires a little work to install
19:01 rhcl            Yea, so I gathered from your posts.
19:01 pianohacker     Heh, yes
19:02 pianohacker     rhcl: However, 0.4 is in the works, and has the potential to be awesome
19:15 wizzyrea        omg pianohacker!
19:15 * wizzyrea      pounces pianohacker with a huge hug
19:18 jwagner         That's probably more pleasant than the chains and duct tape that gmcharlt and jdavidb threatened him with....
19:19 pianohacker     Hahaha
19:19 pianohacker     Hi wizzy
19:20 gmcharlt        jwagner: just different kinds of bonding, is all ;)
19:21 jwagner         No bondage now, this is a family show.....
19:21 wizzyrea        no duct taping of the pianohacker.
19:21 wizzyrea        gmcharlt: o. m. g. that was the funniest thing I've read all day
19:22 * pianohacker   smiles uncomfortably
19:38 wizzyrea        @wunder 66047
19:38 munin           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.8�C (2:41 PM CDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling).
19:38 wizzyrea        bleh. 64% humidity. Could be worse I guess but still icky
19:39 wizzyrea        er
19:39 wizzyrea        st-icky
19:43 owen            @wunder 45701
19:43 munin           owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 26.7�C (3:46 PM EDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
19:46 chrisdroid      Gah its disgusting out there
19:46 wizzyrea        our nasty hot weather or your nasty cold weather?
19:47 chrisdroid      Ill take the hot, its not cold here just wet
19:48 wizzyrea        oh I saw snow and thought it must be cold, but that must be further south
19:48 chrisdroid      ps I freaking love my phone
19:48 wizzyrea        :D
19:48 chrisdroid      Yeah we just get the rain
19:48 cait            duct tape? bondage?
19:48 * cait          fleeing
19:48 * owen          is torn: hates the heat, but likes to be able to send the kids out to play
19:48 chrisdroid      Lol
19:49 cait            bye all
19:50 chrisdroid      Kahu loves the rain, his mum .... not so much
19:53 chrisdroid      Hi nengard
19:54 nengard         hello droid :)
19:54 chrisdroid      Heh
19:54 chrisdroid      Milestone is too long
19:56 chrisdroid      AndChat is the irc app I'm using it doesn't suck
19:57 nengard         yeah i have it too
19:57 chrisdroid      Tell you what I hate
19:57 nengard         but i can't type on the phone that easily
19:57 nengard         ?
19:57 chrisdroid      The gmail app top posts
19:57 chrisdroid      I hate that
19:57 nengard         hehe
19:58 chrisdroid      You have a hardware keyboard eh?
19:58 owen            Yeah, the iPhone mail app is no better in that regard... it's a pain to compose a decent reply
19:59 nengard         chrisdroid, no - touch screen only
19:59 chrisdroid      I think ill switch my gmail to imap and use k9 mail
20:00 chrisdroid      Ahh the hardware keyboard is why I got the milestone
20:01 chrisdroid      Can't irc on the bus otherwise :)
20:02 chrisdroid      Ahh bus full of wet ppl, I love winter :S
20:08 mib_i618e8      testing the mibbit widget
20:08 owen            Why do people feel the need to do that?
20:08 chrisdroid      Ok time to get off
20:08 wizzyrea        to make sure it works, apparently
20:08 chrisdroid      Cyas in about 5 min
20:08 wizzyrea        l8r
20:09 owen            Maybe mibbit employs teams of mibbit-testers to crawl the web and test mibbit widgets
20:09 wizzyrea        mibbit testers
20:09 wizzyrea        surely there is some job at mibbit that has this title
20:10 moodaepo        @wunder 56001
20:10 munin           moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 35.1�C (3:10 PM CDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling).  Wind Advisory in effect until 8 PM CDT this evening... 
20:13 owen            Ciao #koha
20:13 brendan         @wunder 93117
20:13 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.1�C (1:12 PM PDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Falling).
20:16 chris           back
20:19 brendan         heya chris
20:19 brendan         good morning
20:19 chris           hey brendan
20:29 pianohacker     Hi brendan
20:30 richard         hi
20:34 brendan         yo pianohacker
20:34 brendan         (spelt it right too)
20:34 brendan         :)
20:34 brendan         heya richard
20:35 richard         hi brendan
20:59 mib_mike        hi chris
21:00 mib_mike        remember that overstuffed /tmp directory I had Friday?
21:01 mib_mike        I decided to follow your reboot suggestion on Monday (today) but delete some cgisess files in the mean time.
21:01 chris           yup
21:01 chris           that tidy anything up?
21:01 mib_mike        I couldn't just rm /tmp/* it gave me an error
21:01 mib_mike        too many arguments.
21:01 mib_mike        I had to write a shell script to delete files
21:01 mib_mike        It ran all night.
21:02 mib_mike        In fact by Monday morning, it had only deleted half the files.
21:02 chris           yeah, theres something seriously wrong there
21:02 mib_mike        So I rebooted this morning.  It took 4 hours to reboot.
21:02 chris           holy crap
21:02 chris           i think you have HD issues
21:02 mib_mike        It got stuck just after the "mount local file system" stage.
21:02 larsw           deleting files can be quite slow, especially if there are a lot of them, or they're very big
21:03 mib_mike        I figured it was still deleting files.
21:03 chris           is it happier now?
21:03 mib_mike        Temp is now empty
21:04 mib_mike        I just finished running an index and I'm still getting that "MARC: Bad directory/ Bad offsets in data. Skiping rest" message
21:04 mib_mike        the fsck during boot came up clean.
21:05 larsw           at least on Debian systems, /tmp does get cleaned up right after local filesystems are mounted, so your assumption about deleting files was probably right
21:06 mib_mike        After the fact I decided I would have done better to boot from a cd, and remove, and recreate the /tmp directory.
21:06 mib_mike        But who would have guessed?
21:07 pianohacker     mib_mike: index meaning rebuild_zebra?
21:07 mib_mike        Yes, index, meaning rebuild_zebra
21:08 mib_mike        I did a google search on "Marc: Bad Directory" and it pointed me here: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/dox/html/mod__grs__marc_8c_source.html
21:08 larsw           mib_mike, rebooting from cd would not have made removing /tmp any faster, I think
21:08 mib_mike        Is this the underlying c code for the zebra indexer?
21:08 pianohacker     likely
21:09 pianohacker     mib_mike: It looks like you might have a bad MARC buried in your database
21:09 pianohacker     Try rebuilding with the -x and -nosanitize parameters
21:09 mib_mike        Can you elaborate on those options?
21:10 pianohacker     That'll tell it to rebuild using a MARCXML dump, rather than ISO2709. -nosanitize tells it to just dump the saved marcxml, rather than creating it from the MARC record
21:11 mib_mike        Aside from maybe getting the indexing to finish, what effect will this have on koha?
21:11 pianohacker     Very little
21:12 pianohacker     Your rebuilds will be insanely faster
21:12 larsw           is there a tool to verify marc records so mib_mike can find the offensive one?
21:13 pianohacker     If a bad MARCXML slips into the db, they'll also be insanely broken, but with my library's db created from an import, and some time in koha 2.2 and 3.0, that hasn't happened yet
21:13 pianohacker     larsw: There's marclint, but you'd need to narrow it down painstakingly using the marclint tool.
21:13 pianohacker     *export tool
21:13 mib_mike        chris or someone pointed me to marclint, which takes a bit of scripting to use.
21:14 pianohacker     I'm not sure whether it works with batches of records, offhand
21:14 mib_mike        what does  "insanely broken" mean, in terms of functionality
21:14 pianohacker     Just that the rebuilds will fail
21:14 pianohacker     If you have cron and mailing set up, it'd send an error email to you
21:14 mib_mike        My rebuilds are failing now, so...
21:14 pianohacker     So you have little to lose
21:15 mib_mike        mail is probably set up to go to the wrong place.
21:15 larsw           having a tool to verify at least syntactic correctness of records seems like an obvious thing to build, for someone, someday
21:15 pianohacker     If marclint works with batches of records, then you could just run it on sets of records using its range options, and gradually narrow it down
21:16 pianohacker     larsw: Yeah. Of course, saying such things will lead to a request for a patch :)
21:16 larsw           pianohacker, indeed
21:16 * larsw         is hoping that it will lead to someone paying his employer to write the, of course ;-)
21:17 pianohacker     well, yeah
21:17 mib_mike        If I wanted to write that script, I'd run marclint on the marc field of the biblioitems table?
21:17 pianohacker     I think marclint just runs on ISO2709 files
21:18 pianohacker     So export from koha, then run it on the exported file
21:18 mib_mike        Well, yeah, but if it's going to be a web script...
21:19 mib_mike        But the marc field is the one to check, right, not marcxml?
21:19 pianohacker     Yes
21:19 mib_mike        Great.  Thanks again everybody.
21:22 larsw           mib_mike, oh, one more thing about /tmp: you should find out what causes the large amount of data there, and fix that, but it might also be practical to run the tmpreaper program (or something similar on non-Debian) to clean up /tmp occasionally
21:24 mib_mike        The large number of files in /tmp was caused by setting koha up to use session files rather than a database for session info.
21:24 wizzyrea        larsw: it was CGI_SESSx type stuff
21:24 wizzyrea        ^^
21:24 larsw           ok
21:24 mib_mike        I suppose a warning about running something to clear /tmp periodically if you use session files would be a good thing, but it probably
21:25 mib_mike        would have been ignored in this case anyway.
21:25 libtek          Anyone running 3.06?
21:26 mib_mike        Wow these parameters really do mean a fast rebuild_zebra - I'm already past the point where it used to crash.
21:27 libtek          mib_mike: what parameters are you using?
21:28 mib_mike        pianohacker just suggested I use -x and -nosanitize
21:29 libtek          Is this a rebuild for your crontab or just single use?
21:30 mib_mike        I'm doing it manually right now, but my cron job isn't reindexing either, so until I can track down the bad marc, I'll have to switch the cronjob too
21:31 pianohacker     mib_mike: If you know exactly when the cronjob started failing (or even close) you can look at the zebraqueue to see which bibs were modified before that
21:31 mib_mike        That's a good idea, pianohacker! Thanks again.
21:32 mib_mike        By the way, does anybody know if there is any garbage collection in the session database?  I'm not going to have the same problem in my mysql in a few months, am I
21:33 libtek          to anyone - I'm trying to find out if there is a way to customize the hold slips for triggered holds for just one library, and not globally.  Is it possible, or am I just dreaming?
21:33 pianohacker     There's a cleanup_database script you can use
21:33 pianohacker     libtek: I don't think there's much notice customization per-library at the moment
21:34 brendan         pianohacker++ ##I think it's your show today - way to go
21:35 libtek          hmmm....maybe I can hack the template to output a certain way based on IP?
21:36 pianohacker     libtek: I _think_ the logged in user's branch is sent to the template
21:36 pianohacker     You can use a bit of tmpl_if expr here, since it's a hack :)
21:36 mib_mike        Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in.
21:36 pianohacker     hehehe
21:36 mib_mike        mf_write: isambD error (4) no more space
21:36 mib_mike        Adjust the limits in your zebra.cfg
21:37 mib_mike        any clue what limits I need to adjust?
21:37 pianohacker     mib_mike: Wow, okay, you have a lot of bibs. There's a few places in the zebra-biblios.cfg file in your koha configuration file where it has things like ':4G'; just increase those
21:38 hdl_laptop      chris: there ?
21:39 mib_mike        pianohacker: Where is zebra.cfg?
21:41 larsw           mib_mike, usually in /etc/koha somewhere (might be called zebra-something.cfg)
21:43 bgkriegel       mib_mike, look on /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg, the lines begining with register and shadow
21:43 mib_mike        Thanks, bgkriegle
21:47 mib_mike        O.K. I'm about to "re-run using the -s and -d parameters"  Do I need any other parameters to start at the merging process?
21:47 pianohacker     Ah, you might still want the -x and -nosanitize, but nothing else I can think of
21:47 mib_mike        check!
21:50 hdl_laptop      mib_mike: you could also use the noshadow....
21:50 hdl_laptop      iirc it is -w
21:51 hdl_laptop      check also that you have anough space on your disk
21:51 hdl_laptop      (simple 'sanity' check, but quite usefull)
21:54 mib_mike        Do I have to restart the zebra daemon after changing zebra-biblios.cfg?
21:56 pianohacker     No, don't think so