Time Nick Message 22:50 libtek I notice the icon for the item type is not displaying correctly on the results, but when you click on the record and the items are shown below the record, it displays correctly. 22:49 libtek I'm getting it. 22:46 chris yep 22:46 libtek and I take it they continue to show until the cron job runs 22:44 libtek ah 22:44 chris choose delete 22:44 chris then click on edit 22:44 libtek okay 22:43 chris in the staff interface 22:43 chris just search for one 22:43 chris not in cataloguing 22:43 libtek cataloging 22:43 chris the catalogue? 22:43 chris from where? 22:43 libtek chris: do you know how to delete records? 22:40 libtek okay. I can edit the records, but I actually don't see a way to delete them. 22:40 joetho I like working with Nicole. 22:39 joetho Tomorrow. 22:39 joetho That is however an area I think I would be good at. 22:39 joetho although, until I start actually doing the heavy lifting of dox editing, I should shut up 22:39 chris patches accepted joetho 22:38 joetho clarity in the dox 22:38 joetho time to revisit the care and feeding of the zebra 22:38 libtek I've got 12 results in the catalog, and 46 in the reservoir. This may be all my attempts, mixed with the fact that I don't really understand the koha cataloging procedures. So, I think I know how to delete the catalog listings. Not sure how to get things out of the reservoir. 22:32 chris it probably has all the records from your other attempts indexed 22:32 chris run your rebuild with -r instead of -z .. just once, to flush and rebuild hte index from scratch 22:31 libtek that did it. Now I just have to figure out why I have 12 results. :) 22:23 libtek okay. Got it. I'll do that. The docs have been confusing, between options and Zebra Server and Zebraqueue Daemons. I think I understand better. 22:18 libtek Let me look. I've been going off a wiki guide this whole time. 22:18 chris look around line 304 22:18 chris and yes, it tells you exactly that 22:18 chris looking at the INSTALL.ubuntu ? 22:17 libtek Is there a way to set this up to turn on automatically? 22:17 libtek I don't think I see the instructions to start just the zebrasrv 22:16 chris that was the zebraqueue daemon, you still want the zebrasrv running 22:16 chris no 22:16 libtek I turned off and disabled the daemon. Is this the same thing? 22:15 chris did you set up the init.d job and start it? 22:14 chris yeah then its not running 22:14 libtek in ubuntu 22:14 libtek doesn't respond with anything 22:13 larsw pgrep -lf zebrasrv (on linux) 22:13 libtek how can I tell? 22:12 chris is zebrasrv running? 22:12 libtek I also ran it with the -v switch, and I didn't see any errors. 22:11 libtek ?? 22:11 joetho how to test to see if zebra has been re-indexed? 22:10 libtek it's also in the crontab, but for testing I ran it manually. 22:10 joetho that sounds right. 22:10 joetho manual 22:10 joetho manual or cron 22:10 libtek I went to the koha account and ran "perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null 22:09 joetho zebra index 22:09 larsw libtek, if you're using zebra, the index has probably not been updated yet 22:09 joetho ummmm 22:09 joetho libtek: be patient 22:07 libtek The record is there. Search just doesn't find it. 22:07 libtek Okay. Got a puzzler. I created my record. I can scan the barcode on checkin to find it, but if I do a plain old search for it, I don't get anything. Any ideas? 22:00 wizzyrea :) 22:00 wizzyrea later peeps 22:00 chris heh 22:00 larsw I wish I would feel like a 6th grader. It'd be a big improvement. 21:59 libtek * libtek trips while celebrating 21:59 wizzyrea i'm sure there's probably only 1 person in this channel that hasn't felt like a 6th grader at some point in their koha career. 21:59 wizzyrea libtek: we have all been there 21:58 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4224 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Holds queue report includes items already allocated 21:58 wizzyrea gmcharlt bug 4224 - when we looked at this it looked good, 3.4? 21:58 chris_n great news libtek 21:57 libtek It's painful every time I have to beg for help. :/ I feel like a freakin 6th grader again. 21:55 wizzyrea that wasn't so painful :) 21:55 * wizzyrea does a little dance for libtek 21:54 wizzyrea 3.0.6++ 21:52 libtek I can create records!!!!! Hooray!!!!!!! 21:48 chris_n libtek: ignore for now 21:13 libtek should I ignore it and move on or is this a major concern? 21:10 libtek The only issue that came up on the make test was "Use of uninitialized value $string in split at test.pl line 9. 20:57 wizzyrea :) good luck 20:50 libtek worked like a charm. :D Not bad for improvising. Now I'll do the rest. :) 20:45 wizzyrea uep 20:42 libtek I assume I need to CPAN these and then rerun the Makefile update again. 20:40 libtek [Wed May 19 13:39:30 2010] Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite Text::CSV::Encoded 0.09 not found. 20:40 libtek Warning: prerequisite Biblio::EndnoteStyle 0.05 not found. 20:40 libtek Warning: prerequisite Biblio::EndnoteStyle 0.05 not found. 20:40 libtek I have two issues at the end of the Makefile that came up... 20:35 libtek Thank you very mucho for the clarification. I'll get this done yet. And maybe, just maybe, I'll get to catalog something too. :) 20:26 wizzyrea yes, /usr/share should be the right path 20:26 chris the usr/share one is right 20:25 libtek although, I show 3 locations for this file. One of them is located at /usr/share/koha/misc/, so I am assuming that is the correct one. The other two are in various locations in the /build/koha-3.00.02 folders 20:22 libtek oops. should be perl, not per 20:21 libtek Sorry. I am trying to interpret the UPGRADE instructions wizzyrea pointed me to. This is why I am clarifying. :) So, as I understand it now, the command should read "per Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /usr/share/koha/koha-install-log". 20:19 richard hi 20:09 chris_n where did you see this: --/build/koha-3.00.02 20:09 bgkriegel libtek: no, you must pass the option --prev-install-log /path /to/koha/prev/log, the last one normally on /usr/share/koha/koha-install-log 20:08 chris_n you can 'locate koha-install-log' to find its location 20:08 chris_n libtek: that does not look right 19:56 libtek wizzyrea: to clarify before I screw something up, where it says --prev-install-log, I am going to instead type --/build/koha-3.00.02, and where it says /path/to/koha-install-log, I am going to instead type /build/koha-3.00.06. I am for sure interpreting that correctly? 19:53 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4534 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Box for SQL not visible in "Create Report from SQL" 19:53 jcamins Is the border around the SQL box in the "Create Reports from SQL" screen invisible to anyone else (bug 4534)? 19:45 wizzyrea but nengard is really the doc manager 19:45 wizzyrea everyone in the koha project is involved with documentation ;) 19:45 libtek Are you involved with the documentation? 19:39 wizzyrea the instructions are all about the same for the 3.x versions 19:38 * wizzyrea notes that we need to eliminate specific versions where possible 19:38 wizzyrea we are in the process of moving all of that stuff to a new wiki 19:38 wizzyrea it's out of dates 19:36 libtek it said to download 3.00.02 19:36 libtek excuse me.. 19:35 libtek So, while I am waiting on the download...the installation guide I had been using was wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=koha_3_install_guide_ubuntu_hardy. It said to download 3.00.06. Is that because it is a stable release, or is it just because it is out of date? 19:32 wizzyrea yep, the web client wil lknow 19:32 libtek It's not like a restart would hurt, since this is only a test box. 19:31 jcamins But I wasn't actually the one running the upgrade, so I'm not sure that the instructions were followed. 19:31 jcamins I think when we upgraded we had to restart Apache. 19:31 libtek the web client will know that I need to run the update script? 19:30 wizzyrea (except maybe click next a couple of times) 19:30 wizzyrea (and 1 is automatic, you won't have to do anything) 19:30 wizzyrea (I never have) 19:30 wizzyrea not sure you actually need to restart the OS 19:30 wizzyrea 2. reindex 19:30 wizzyrea you will probably have to do several things: 1. log in on the staff side and run the update script 19:30 jcamins libtek: Restarting would probably be a good idea. 19:29 jwagner Oh well, off to meeting land. See you all tomorrow. 19:28 libtek wizzyrea: I'm starting to understand bits and pieces. :) I just do those 4 lines under upgrade, right? Do I need to reindex or anything after that? Restart the server? 19:27 jwagner Now if I could just get building mgt to enforce the handicapped parking spots :-( 19:26 wizzyrea owen: great minds ;) 19:26 owen jwagner: You get to bow out under ADA rules 19:26 wizzyrea an excuse to leave the meeting! 19:26 jwagner But those of us with arthritic knees won't survive that long.... 19:26 wizzyrea after a week of jumping jack meetings everyone will be too tired to call meetings 19:25 jwagner I'd prefer to de-escalate to NO meetings :-( 19:25 wizzyrea ^^ exactly 19:25 owen After that you escalate to jumping-jacks meetings 19:24 wizzyrea so they can never be too long 19:24 libtek So, I assume I will download the file into the build folder and then unpack it there, then the first line of the upgrade will be modified to read "perl Makefile.PL --/build/koha-3.00.02 /build/koha-3.00.06", is that right? 19:24 wizzyrea you should suggest standing meetings 19:24 wizzyrea O.O 19:24 * jwagner snarls. About to go into my FOURTH meeting since 10:00 AM. When am I supposed to get any WORK done???? 19:20 jcamins (I have never actually done the upgrade myself, though, so I don't know much about it) 19:19 jcamins (before you follow those instructions, you need to download 3.0.6, of course) 19:18 jcamins Goodness. That's quite a URL. Sorry about that. 19:18 jcamins http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;h=518b2c693dc69863e34a924467efc787277e1593;hb=d80033f567b32eb018c3ecefba02e537877b401d#l376 19:18 wizzyrea it shouldn't be too difficult 19:17 libtek Oi. I've barely got myself running. I hope an upgrade process is documented somewhere. 19:16 wizzyrea that patch would be in 3.0.6 19:16 libtek Yes. And I found a patch at http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-August/004176.html, but I have no clue how to apply it. 19:16 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 19:16 wizzyrea we are up to 3.0.6 19:16 wizzyrea you said you were on 3.0.2 19:16 wizzyrea have you tried getting the latest version of koha 19:15 libtek Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92. 19:15 libtek I am currently working on the following error: 19:14 libtek I'm sorry folks. I have returned. :O 19:12 wizzyrea "this library powered by <insert snarky comment here" 19:12 wizzyrea I mean, sirsi does that 19:12 chris ok bus time 19:11 chris which is cool and all, but probably want koha there too 19:11 chris yeah some libraries have taken to putting copyright libraryname at the bottome 19:08 wizzyrea is make sure that every deployed koha opac has some kind of link back to k-c.org. It doesn't have to be big, or obvious 19:08 wizzyrea One thing I think we should do, as an aside 19:08 wizzyrea perhaps some day we'll add a link from the OPAC. 19:07 wizzyrea mib_mike: I guess I envision very curious, technical savvy or library savvy patrons to end up there. 18:43 chris right time to start the day, back after breakfast 18:36 chris hi cait 18:34 wizzyrea woot thanks chris 18:31 chris hiy owen, chris_n and brendan 18:28 brendan morning chris 18:28 chris_n heya chris 18:27 chris ill do the all translations one when i get to work 18:26 chris wizzyrea: https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/download?package=Koha+3.0.x&release=3.0.6 18:25 mib_mike Some of them, but the problems started when new MARC was added. 18:25 jcamins Did you get the MARC records from a previous ILS? 18:24 mib_mike Can anybody suggest a course of action? 18:23 mib_mike 14:20:47-19/05 zebraidx(15525) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 18:23 mib_mike 14:20:47-19/05 zebraidx(15525) [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 18:23 mib_mike I'm still getting: 18:23 mib_mike I deleted the record that rebuild_zebra spit out at me, but 18:23 mib_mike I'm still having trouble with rebuilding my zebra index 18:18 * owen has a whole new list of numbers to crunch for his library's statistics 18:15 owen-away Hi chris 18:11 chris morning 17:51 mib_mike I don't know how I got the bad MARC, but I'll find out. 17:50 mib_mike Thanks for your help, I'll look into the database structure for foreign keys 17:50 jcamins How did you get the malformed MARC record into Koha in the first place? 17:49 jcamins It seems to me that if you run "DELETE FROM biblio WHERE biblionumber='?'" the foreign keys should make the change propagate through the database, but you'd want to check with someone else. 17:47 mib_mike jcamins: Ubuntu - it's an old release. 17:46 mib_mike jcamins: Thanks for trying. Can you tell me the tables that should be purged of this record? 17:46 jcamins What OS are you using? 17:46 jcamins Nothing obvious is occurring to me, but I'm just a librarian who can read a bit of code. 17:45 jcamins Okay. Hm. 17:44 mib_mike jcamins: yes, but it's the last alpha release. 17:44 jcamins Actually, wait. Earlier question: did you go through the entire Koha installation procedure successfully? 17:42 jcamins Do you have MARC::Record installed? 17:41 mib_mike jcamins: That could very well be. Any ideas? 17:41 jcamins I don't think so, but a Zebra expert could correct me if I'm wrong. 17:41 jcamins Hm. Sounds like you have something else going on there. 17:41 mib_mike jcamins: Is that because the zebra index doesn't include this record? 17:40 mib_mike jcamins: "Software error: Can't call method "title" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 894." 17:36 joetho accurate ones, anyway 17:36 joetho Librarians LOVE reports 17:36 joetho schuster: koha reports are a pretty big sore spot with a lot of librarians, and I don't think that is widely recognized. 17:33 mib_mike jcamins: Let me check 17:33 jcamins (change [SERVER] and [BIBLIONUMBER] to the correct values for your installation, of course) 17:33 schuster I have 67 locations and have hundreds of reports that I have had to duplicate for each location and link to a separate website. It would be soooo great if I could create the report once and people could run it as they needed with the appropriate variables. 17:33 jcamins http://[SERVER]:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?biblionumber=[BIBLIONUMBER] 17:32 jcamins mib_mike: What about going directly to the edit biblio screen with the biblionumber? Like so: 17:32 schuster so that the user could select something for xxx and yyy without making them go through the guided reports step by step. 17:31 schuster I know at one time there was some talk about building a report engine that the user then could insert a variable. ie - select barcode, location from items where homebranch = "xxx" and location = "yyy" 17:30 mib_mike Marc seems to be stored in many places, and I don't want to have "half records" 17:29 mib_mike "continue" 17:29 mib_mike It seems I've got some substandard marc somewhere. The rebuild zebra kicked back a record, but I'm not sure how I go about deleting that record to allow indexing to condinue 17:28 mib_mike I've got a problem with zebra indexing. 17:27 wizzyrea afk lunch 17:27 wizzyrea I'm not sure either, actually 17:27 mib_mike I'm not sure how you envision people arriving at that page. I suspect most library patrons aren't aware of Koha or any ILS. Something about what Koha is might be helpful. 17:25 wizzyrea another fine example 17:23 mib_mike "Is there anything that annoys you about your library's website?" 17:23 wizzyrea ooh, good one 17:22 mib_mike wizzyrea: "What would make it even easier for you to use your library web site?" 17:22 wizzyrea but good idea 17:22 wizzyrea :) 17:22 wizzyrea lol 17:22 wizzyrea It's a new part of the site, I'm not sure I have any examples 17:22 mib_mike wizzyrea: you could give some examples of the kinds of feedback you're looking for. 17:17 wizzyrea i'm not feeling very creative today 17:17 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-library-users/ 17:17 wizzyrea anyone have any suggestions for improved verbiage for this page? 17:16 nmllib Does anyone have an RPM for GraphicsMagick? I have tried building 1.3.5 and higher from the source, but Koha's Makefile cannot find it 17:15 wizzyrea updated 17:13 wizzyrea woo! 17:13 brendan ok all set Wizzyrea 17:13 * brendan doesn't mind gentle reminders to update demos 17:13 chris_n hmm... maybe a separate script could trigger the updatedatabase.pl... that makes things complicated 17:12 brendan well eventually the next time the database is updated 17:11 brendan chris_n - we have the database refresh every hour - so doing git sync - would cause the web installer to appear every hour 17:11 wizzyrea doing, even 17:11 wizzyrea I wasn't, I ended up doign it through apt 17:10 nmllib Hey guys, were you able to install Graphics::Magick 1.3.5 through CPAN? 17:10 wizzyrea gah sorry. 17:10 wizzyrea I'm dumb. 17:10 wizzyrea is that 3.2.134? 17:09 chris_n seems we could setup a hook in git to sync the demo install with the main repo 17:09 brendan ah it was at 133 now it should be at 134 17:07 wizzyrea it's no biggie, really, just wanted to make sure the website was accurate 17:07 wizzyrea derrrrr. 17:06 * wizzyrea realizes that she should have just looked at the dang thing 17:06 brendan I can update it... give me about 20 minutes and then I'll ping you that's it's updated 17:06 brendan was at .124 17:06 brendan gottacha now 17:06 wizzyrea is the demo still running 3.01.00.124? Or is it up to Head? 17:06 brendan ? 17:05 wizzyrea brendan: see your tells 17:05 wizzyrea hahahaha 17:05 * jdavidb perks up, then realizes that wizzyrea is speaking of the devil on the other coast. 17:04 wizzyrea speak of the devil >.> 17:04 wizzyrea aha 17:00 munin` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 17:00 wizzyrea @later tell brendan is the demo still running 3.01.00.124? Or is it up to Head? 17:00 wizzyrea (mine, not his) 17:00 wizzyrea irc usage fail. 16:59 wizzyrea brendan about? 16:53 * chris_n wonders why mbreeding does not do a news release for the 3.0.6 release 16:52 munin` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 16:52 wizzyrea @later tell chris were we going to put 3.0.06 on ohloh? 16:52 wizzyrea hm, and 3.0.06 hasn't been put on ohloh yet 16:52 * chris_n helps look for it :) 16:51 wizzyrea nothing, I'm losing my mind :( 16:51 chris_n ? 16:50 chris_n he may have a bad record again 16:50 wizzyrea we didn't back off of 3.0.6 did we? 16:50 munin` chris_n: The operation succeeded. 16:50 chris_n @later tell libtek that patch was applied last year 16:50 wizzyrea I wanted to suggest that 16:49 munin` chris_n: The operation succeeded. 16:49 chris_n @later tell libtek you should upgrade to the latest stable release which is 3.0.6 found here: http://download.koha-community.org/ 16:48 libtek I'm sorry - I was just reminded of a meeting I have to attend. I'll stop by later about the patch. Thanks to everyone! 16:46 wizzyrea !! 16:43 libtek 3.00.02.012 16:43 jcamins What version of Koha are you running? 16:43 libtek Then my other option is the patch. Do you know the steps to apply such a patch? 16:42 libtek yes 16:41 jcamins (you did say earlier you had version 2.0.0, right?) 16:40 jcamins libtek: We are running with MARC::Record 2.0.0 and it works fine, so it's probably not MARC::Record's version. 16:37 libtek Not sure what I should do - apply the patch or update the MARC record files. 16:35 libtek Has anyone here applied this patch? http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-August/004176.html 16:32 wizzyrea it's also interesting to me that the manage patron image bit isn't in the "edit patron" screen 16:30 wizzyrea wouldn't that simplify the template some? 16:29 wizzyrea you included a toolbar on the main edit screen "jump to: Main Address | Contact | Alt Address | etc" 16:28 wizzyrea what if instead of the little edit links 16:26 wizzyrea it sort of makes sense to me to eliminate it... but there might be a lot of backlash on that 16:25 libtek I'd like to update the MARC record files from http://sourceforge.net/projects/marcpm/files/. I think this might fix my error. Has anyone ever done this? 16:24 owen ...but now I think it's just a convenience thing 16:24 wizzyrea well 16:24 wizzyrea lol 16:24 wizzyrea or that 16:24 wizzyrea or both 16:24 owen ...and it's a remnant of a time when the patron edit screen had been divided up into "wizard"-like steps 16:24 wizzyrea is it convenience thing or a performance thing 16:24 nengard nothing magic :) 16:24 wizzyrea right 16:24 nengard that's how i find those things 16:24 nengard well when you write the manual you click every link :) 16:24 owen wizzyrea: The idea is to be able to quickly edit a smaller subset of patron details rather than have to load the whole edit screen 16:23 wizzyrea before us 16:23 nengard ah 16:23 wizzyrea found the bug we were just talking about 16:23 nengard what did i do? 16:23 nengard ?? 16:23 wizzyrea hehe 16:23 owen nengard is way ahead of us as usual 16:23 wizzyrea I was never sure why there were two ways to edit 16:23 owen Yup, that's it 16:22 wizzyrea AHA, I would not have thought to look for it that way 16:22 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4508 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, can't edit patron attributes using little edit link 16:22 owen Bug 4508 16:22 owen One was just filed yesterday I think, related to this... 16:21 munin` 04Bug 4486: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Error logged during member entry 16:21 wizzyrea I wonder if it's related to this http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4486 16:20 wizzyrea i'm looking for existing bugs 16:19 owen wizzyrea: I get the same error as you when clicking the "edit" link from the patron detail page 16:17 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/YjQxMWE2NDI 16:17 libtek chris_n: I do notice that the HASH value on the sax_paser_print.pl is different than what it says it wants, but everything else looks the same and it says it looks good. 16:17 wizzyrea ok I think I figured out when exactly it happens 16:16 wizzyrea mine does http://screencast.com/t/ODlkOTVmZ 16:15 wizzyrea hm 16:15 owen No errors. 16:15 owen wizzyrea: I don't have an option for setting an email notice for item due, but I was able to set email notices for checkout and hold filled. 16:15 libtek I could restart the server again. :) That worked before. :) 16:14 libtek Still happening 16:14 libtek Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92. 16:14 wizzyrea do you get an error? 16:14 wizzyrea and try to change messaging settings (add email notification for item due, for example) 16:14 libtek Same error 16:13 wizzyrea go into a patron record 16:13 wizzyrea can anyone duplicate this: 16:13 wizzyrea hm 16:13 chris_n try adding a record 16:10 libtek Should I try to add a record now? Or do I need to rebuild anything first? 16:09 wizzyrea bottom 16:09 wizzyrea I think it has to be.. yea 16:09 libtek Yep. That worked. 16:07 chris_n I should have said bottom 16:07 chris_n libtek: make it look like that 16:07 chris_n opps 16:06 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "[XML::SAX::PurePerl] http://xm" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/14 16:06 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "[XML::SAX::PurePerl] http://xm" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/13 16:05 libtek same results 16:05 libtek Chris_n: Didn't make any difference 15:59 chris_n then re-run the parser test and see if it passes 15:58 chris_n and save 15:58 chris_n move all of the lines associated with XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser to the very top 15:57 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;h=203c5f66e310f72b7a745dfa4236e7e06dac1352;hb=HEAD#l142 15:56 libtek I love it when you say that. :) 15:55 chris_n bingo 15:55 pastebot "libtek" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Chris_n: results for sax_parser_print.pl" (5 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/12 15:55 chris_n can you tell which keys got wet? 15:54 wizzyrea oh my 15:54 * chris_n hates it when he spills things on his keyboard :-P 15:54 chris_n jmnnmjj,,mjnhhmhkhulkjhnjml.kjhkl;' 15:53 chris_n yes 15:53 libtek was that for me? 15:53 libtek I am seeing people say that there were changes in the 0.92 file that relate to this error, and someone has patched/updated this. 15:52 chris_n like: perl /path/to/misc/sax_parser_print.pl says? 15:50 libtek Chris_n:Ah, that's better: 0.92 15:49 chris_n libtek: oppss: perl -MMARC::File::XML -e 'print "$MARC::File::XML::VERSION\n"' 15:49 chris_n and then run sax_parser_print.pl like: perl /path/to/misc/sax_parser_print.pl 15:48 chris_n libtek: and: perl -MMARC::Record -e 'print "$MARC::File::XML::VERSION\n"' 15:48 libtek Oh, there we go. 2.0.0 15:46 chris_n exactly like that 15:46 chris_n libtek: try this again: perl -MMARC::Record -e 'print "$MARC::Record::VERSION\n"' 15:44 libtek I do have item types defined. 15:43 wizzyrea I kind of remember that there are several things that, if you have not defined in the settings, that things break wierdly. 15:42 * wizzyrea likes to start with the simple things :P 15:42 wizzyrea have you been through the preferences and defined all of your parameters? 15:42 wizzyrea do you have item types defined? 15:40 libtek chris_n: Just shows ">" 15:39 libtek having trouble with the syntax on sax_parser_print.pl 15:39 chris_n libtek: what does 'perl -MMARC::Record -e 'print "$MARC::Record::VERSION\n"' say? 15:36 libtek not sure how to tell the version. First line in the file reads: Automatically generated by Pod::Man 2.1801 (Pod::Simple 3.05) 15:33 gmcharlt and what results do you get if you run sax_parser_print.pl 15:32 gmcharlt what version of MARC::Record and MARC::File::XML do you have? 15:32 libtek do I need to update the MARC::File::SAX? 15:28 gmcharlt no, perl 5.10 is not the problem 15:27 libtek Anytime I try to add a record to the catalog I get the "CAn't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92." error. Would this be because I am using a newer version of perl? 15:20 libtek This thing hates me :/ 15:19 owen Yes 15:18 jwagner_meeting (Can't remember -- I think issues has itemnumber field) 15:18 jwagner_meeting ? 15:18 jwagner_meeting LEFT JOIN issues on (items.itemnumber = issues.itemnumber) 15:14 schuster Now I need to join issues using(itemnumber) - what would be the best way to do that? 15:14 schuster question about sql - I need to join 2 different tables - and am an SQL newbie. I have the items table and have succesfully join biblioitems using (biblionumber) 15:13 schuster :( 15:09 chris_n sadly the individual that provided a bunch of that help is no longer here :-( 15:08 * chris_n remembers when he first laid eyes on Koha and required lots of help 15:07 chris_n libtek: np, glad to help 15:07 libtek chris_n: thanks again for your patience and help. I'm going to go crawl in a cave with this stuff and try to absorb more. You've been a BIG help, in more ways than I can express. Thanks. 15:05 gmcharlt obviously, as with *any* upgrade of *any* software, it is best practice to do a full backup first 15:05 gmcharlt nmllib: following the upgrade instructions will not cause description of data in the database 15:05 libtek chris_n: Thanks for the removal of that service. Did that. Now I will update the .bashrc file. I'll see if I can find some documentation on editing that file. 15:03 nmllib chris_n, can you confirm that by upgrading to the latest version in git that I will NOT lose all of my patrons and items/biblios in my database? 15:02 chris_n libtek: in a rough way of speaking 15:01 chris_n update-rc.d DAEMON remove iirc 15:01 chris_n uhh actually 15:00 libtek chris_n: is .bashrc the ubuntu equivalent of autoexec.bat for dos? 15:00 chris_n delete the link to it in /etc/init.d 15:00 libtek chris_n: I stopped the daemon...apparently it is starting on it's own. Know of a way to disable it? 14:57 chris_n libtek: btw, you can always edit the .bashrc file for you kohauser and add the export lines to the bottom of that file; that way they will automagically export whenever you su to that user 14:55 owen Has anyone tested an "upgrade" from 3.0.4 to Harley? 14:55 chris_n libtek: great; be sure that the zebraqueue daemon is not running 14:55 libtek chris_n: after all that? That's all it needed? 14:54 chris_n nmllib: I would suggest going to alpha2 personally if you are not using this system in production atm; the labeling code is much improved there 14:54 libtek chris_n: Just a sec. I rebooted the server, and now the record is gone! 14:54 nmllib But I have a quick question about that, after I run the MakeMaker pointed to the old install log, will that wipe out all of my database information? 14:54 nmllib And I am looking into upgrading right now 14:53 nmllib 3.00.04.019 14:53 chris_n nmllib: what version are you using? 14:53 jcamins I will see if I do anything different the second time around. 14:53 nmllib chris_n, if I search the catalogue for '%', then I am returned all 94 records 14:52 jcamins Oh. Huh. 14:52 nmllib jcamins, the search refreshes the second time also 14:52 jcamins nmllib: We have that problem too, with the page refreshing. It always works the second time. 14:51 chris_n nmllib: do searches work in other parts of Koha on your installation? 14:51 chris_n libtek: please run that script with the -v switch and paste the entire output 14:50 nmllib Its as if the page just refreshed 14:49 nmllib That's odd, when I leave the search BOX blank and fill in the date after as May 2008 (my library founded in 2009) and the date before as today - I click 'Submit' and am returned right to the same page 14:49 libtek I can't figure out where this information is lurking. 14:49 libtek Okay. I've done all that. Still getting the funky record and error. 14:48 chris_n mine returns every item in the catalog by doing that sort of search 14:48 chris_n right 14:48 chris_n ie. if you want all of your items, set some extremely long ago date in the added after date and today's date in the added before date 14:48 nmllib And by that, I assume you mean the two date pickers that appear under the keyword/title/author search box? 14:47 nmllib Ok, let me try that 14:47 chris_n nmllib: here, we search by accession date range 14:45 nmllib chris_n, but if there has been a bug in this for a while then, then how do people generate their item barcodes? 14:45 chris_n and be sure to run the rebuild script as your kohauser or it will break as well 14:44 chris_n export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml 14:44 chris_n export PERL5LIB=/path/to/C4 14:44 chris_n libtek: yes, but you have to export them into your environment if you run the script from the command line thus: 14:43 libtek chris_n:I have those listed in the crontab, if that is what you mean. 14:43 chris_n you have them set in your kohauser's crontab 14:42 chris_n libtek: we went through this the other day iirc 14:42 chris_n nmllib: Koha's search code is slated for a major overhaul in 3.4 14:42 libtek chris_n: export? When/where? I didn't know about this. 14:42 chris_n nmllib: you could search by accession date range 14:41 CGI781 chris_n: thank, i willsee.. 14:40 nmllib Is there a search target that returns all the items in your library for you? 14:40 chris_n searching on '%' returns no items for me 14:40 owen nmllib: What version are you on? That will tell us whether Harley is an "upgrade" or not 14:39 chris_n om 14:39 chris_n it probably does 14:39 nmllib Do you have the issue when you try to do it chris_n? 14:39 nmllib I'm going to try upgrading to Harley right now and see if the bug still exists 14:38 chris_n nmllib: sounds like a bug in the labels search code 14:37 chris_n libtek: you forgot to export KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB 14:36 nmllib Specifically, I have enough rows created when I do a wildcard '%' search on 'Title', but only the first 22 of the 94 have data in them 14:36 libtek rebuild failed. 14:36 nmllib Hi everyone, I was here last night, and I wanted to check back. I am having problems with the label batch creator 14:35 pastebot "libtek" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "response to zebra rebuild" (2 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/11 14:33 gmcharlt libtek: rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r 14:32 libtek anyone know how to scrap the zebra indexing and start fresh? 14:30 nahuel so with 1 000 000 you can have too :) 14:30 nahuel with 1 thousand records you have performance issues with koha :) 14:29 nahuel :) 14:29 * chris_n wonders about the performance issues 14:29 nahuel And I think you have to patch a bit koha tables 14:29 chris_n nahuel: I thought it could 14:29 nahuel and a huge zebra server 14:28 libtek Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/catalogue/MARCdetail.pl line 123. 14:28 libtek I'm getting the following error when I click on the record: 14:28 nahuel if you have a huge mysql server :) 14:28 nahuel it could 14:28 chris_n nahuel: CGI781 was asking if koha could handle 130 million items 14:28 libtek I have an issue where a record is still showing up in cataloging. I've thrown out the mysql koha database, and rebuilt it, but the record still shows up. I am trying to figure out where this record still exists so I can wipe it out. 14:27 libtek not sure. 14:26 owen libtek: Are you referring to Zebra, the indexing engine? 14:24 libtek ? 14:24 libtek can anyone tell me, what is the other database that koha uses besides mysql. 14:23 libtek chris_n: are you here? 14:23 nahuel CGI781, ? 14:18 * collum couldn't remember why he knew this. 14:18 collum schuster: they posted to the koha list in Feb. http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-February/022717.html 14:15 owen I was hoping, long ago, that the community would benefit form all the Waldo work with regard to experiences with large collections 14:12 * chris_n thinks it would be nice to have data available on performance testing with various sized dbs and Koha 14:12 schuster learn something new every day... 14:12 schuster wow in looking things up the 6th floor museum is using what looks like koha to me - http://catalog.jfk.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 14:12 schuster you might inquire with the University of Chicago - they do LOTS of testing with LOTS of different systems. They have LOTS of items and bibs too. On my proprietary system they were the one we all looked to in dealing with size. 14:12 chris_n nor does zebra 14:12 CGI781 cool :-D 14:11 chris_n mysql does not have a record limit iirc 14:11 chris_n not afaik 14:11 CGI781 may be, it's MYSQL limit ? 14:11 * chris_n hands wizzyrea Cheetos 14:10 chris_n CGI781: I'd see no reason why Koha would not handle your reqs, however, a post to the list might obtain a more accurate assessment 14:10 wizzyrea hello :_ 14:10 owen Hi wizzyrea 14:10 owen nengard: I think it's a worthwhile enhancement...if only someone can take it on. 14:08 nengard owen re: 4418 whatever works :) 14:08 magnus http://koha.org/showcase/near-east-university "Over 2 million items" 14:08 CGI781 130 millions of book!.. 14:07 schuster That's a big system... 14:07 CGI781 yes, 130 million of bibioitems! 14:06 owen 1.3 million x 100 = 130 million! 14:05 owen 1.2 million items. 1.3 million biblios is not quite the same thing depending on your library 14:04 chris_n 1.2 million 14:04 chris_n CGI781: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-14#i_440648 14:02 magnus CGI781: here is a FAQ about the number of items: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/cataloging/#6 looks like 100 should be ok 13:59 chris_n maybe nahuel knows 13:59 chris_n they just did a very large migration iirc 13:59 CGI781 i want believe!! ;) 13:59 owen nengard: I tried my best to come up with a fix for Bug 4418, but all my solutions were way too ugly. I hope you don't mind the change to 'enhancement' 13:59 * chris_n looks around for any biblibre people 13:58 chris_n CGI781: I believe that there are some libraries with millions of records running on Koha 13:58 chris_n nengard++ 13:57 CGI781 hello! It's possible to use KOHA with 1 300 000 biblio with 100 biblioitems per biblio ? 13:54 owen nengard++ 13:53 * nengard reading the final proofs of my upcoming OSS book! :) 13:52 jwagner Well, you _can_ but it makes for a messy keyboard.... 13:51 chris_n hehe 13:51 owen More Cheetos = fewer patches. Can't type with orange fingers. 13:50 * chris_n wonders if the number of patches from owen is directly proportional to the number of Cheetos he eats... ;-) 13:49 jwagner Harrumph 13:38 * owen totally bogarts the Cheetos 13:33 schuster Pass the Cheetos... 13:30 jwagner My puny little UPS isn't going to last very long -- will catch you all later. 13:29 * jwagner has nothing else to do -- big power transformer just blew up outside & building has lost power. 13:26 * magnus goes to the fridge to fetch some cheesecake 13:25 * jwagner brings the pizza 13:25 * chris_n breaks out the cokes 13:25 * owen sees that he's here all by himself, stretches out on the couch in front of the TV with a bag of Cheetos 13:14 * owen sees that he missed a pianohacker sighting last night 13:06 owen Am I interpreting that right? If that's so, then issues.branchcode == issuing branch, because it records the new holding branch of the item (the branch which circulated it) 13:02 owen http://koha.pastebin.com/NdzrRMJ9 13:00 owen Looks like it must be the holding library? 13:00 owen If the issues table doesn't record the issuing branch in the issuingbranch column, what does issues.branchcode record? The home library of the item? 12:46 jwagner (or the version I usually sing, All God's creatures...) 12:45 jwagner To quote one of my favorites, "All God's critters got a place in the choir" 12:42 jwagner Staines may be obscure, but he's very very good! 12:42 nengard i have to admit i am so so so so lost right now 12:41 jdavidb Yeah, Staines sounds about right for me. (So obscure I had to look 'im up...) 12:40 jwagner Maybe I can be Mannheim Steamroller? 12:40 jwagner jdavidb, you're more the Bill Staines type. 12:40 * gmcharlt is no geek - the chicken heads are *not* to be bitten off! 12:39 jdavidb ...which would probably make me...the Oak Ridge Boys or something. :P 12:38 jdavidb If owen is the Ronnie Dio, then gmcharlt must be the Ozzy. Only, without the biting heads off animals part. 12:37 schuster MORE LOL... stop, I might start crying here in a minute too funny. 12:34 * jwagner wants pictures of that.... 12:34 nengard hehe 12:34 owen You're quite right jwagner, once I was giving this talk on OPAC customization and Courtney Cox came right up on the stage and started dancing 12:34 schuster jdavidb - I modified my inventory.pl and am loading inventory records this morning works like a charm. Now to write the reports I need and then talk with PTFS about some enhancements to the process! 12:33 * jwagner would rate owen right up there with Bruce Springsteen! 12:33 schuster OPAC - heck... KOHA! 12:33 schuster Just let us know when your next concert is and we'll show up. 12:33 * jdavidb thinks owen is the Ronnie James Dio of OPAC customization. 12:32 schuster LOL... Thanks I needed that... I suspect many of us would agree with you though on that! 12:32 * owen really considers himself more of a Koha rock star... </modest> 12:31 schuster Howdy Koha groupies... 11:49 jdavidb hi, kmkale_. :) 11:49 kmkale_ hi jdavidb 11:48 kmkale_ is space allowed in item type and branch codes? 11:38 jdavidb howdy, #koha. 10:21 chris hi chris_n 10:20 chris_n g'morning 09:03 magnus for example! 09:02 chris instead of Personal Name :) 09:02 chris things like Author 09:02 chris yep 09:02 magnus perhaps things could be made simpler with a few stripped down frameworks with good labels, too? 09:00 magnus good, even 09:00 magnus godd point 09:00 chris with non library school trained librarians 09:00 chris there are hundreds of thousands of libraries around the world 08:59 chris (it can still store in marc in the back) 08:59 chris magnus: id like to bring back the non-marc catalogue interface 08:53 chris yeah 08:52 magnus chris: and not to forget: RDA 08:52 magnus chris: interesting thoughts! and yes, we do seem to thrive on complexity (e.g. MARC...) 08:51 chris magnus: unfortunately a lot of librarians think power=complexity 08:51 chris magnus: i do think we don't need to make it quite as complicated as we do a lot of the time 07:54 kf thx :) 07:51 kf ah 07:50 magnus cofounder, even 07:49 magnus the bio says he is a cofuonder of Rackspace 07:49 kf sounds German 07:49 kf dirk elmendorf? 07:48 kf hi magnus 07:48 magnus g'day kf 07:48 magnus The article is written by someone called Dirk Elmendorf, by the way 07:48 kf good morning #koha 07:47 magnus he also says "as much as i would like to use an industrial-strength tool, the system was too confusing for me as a layperson (my wife was kind enough to point out there is a reason it is called Library Science)" ;-) 07:45 chris yup 07:45 magnus yup, not the whole ILS/MLS thingies 07:45 chris without all the circulation, acquisitions, etc 07:45 chris he probably just needs a catalogue 07:45 magnus yeah, overkill sums up the conclusion 07:44 chris cool 07:44 magnus and he then goes on to explore applications like Alexandria, GCstar and Tellico 07:44 chris ah yeah, its overkill for a home library 07:44 magnus well, the scenario was someone looking to "catalog" his books at home, and i guess the conclusion was "so if you have your own public library, Koha is really neat, but I realized I needed something else" 07:42 chris magnus: was it a good write up? 07:40 chris http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6350 07:39 chris issue 106 too 07:34 Ropuch^__ Yup :) 07:25 magnus so did anyone else notice koha got a mention in Linux Journal? issue 194/june pp. 34-35 07:18 Amit heya chris 07:13 chris hi all 06:59 magnus good time of the day, #koha 06:12 Amit heya Ropouch 06:01 Ropuch^__ Morning #koha 04:54 kmkale hi amit 04:52 Amit heya kmkale 04:28 kmkale good morning all\ 03:45 chris crap 03:44 chris yeah and its in the c too 03:39 chris sorting by the number of issues alphanumerically just doesnt work 03:38 chris yeah i want numeric, not alphanumber sort 03:36 brendan hmm.. missed that 03:25 chris http://search.cpan.org/~mirk/Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.25/lib/ZOOM.pod#sort() 03:25 chris its ZOOM.pm that is being dumb 03:25 chris ah ha 02:44 nmlib Ok thank you 02:44 chris you might want to drop a mail to the mailing list 02:44 chris ahh youve just missed the labels guru 02:41 nmlib Which returns results, however, only the first 22 of the 94 total have data in them. The remaining records have cells laid out for them, but they are blank 02:40 nmlib When I try to add items to a label creator batch, I use a wildcard '%' search on the 'Title' field with no date options 02:39 nmlib Hey there everyone, I was wondering if someone has a minute to help me out with a label batch problem that I am having 01:59 brendan night chris_n sleep well 01:59 chris night chris_n 01:59 chris_n g'night 01:46 chris hmm anyone else noticed that sorting by popularity does it alphabetically not numeric? 01:27 chris internet in the dorms and all that :-) 01:27 chris ahh, it'll be fine once he is at college 01:26 brendan hopefully it won't be two months until the next time we see jesse 01:25 brendan wb chris 01:25 chris back 01:19 brendan just reading back - I think chris 's comment summed it up best - "holy crap" it's pisnohacker 01:12 munin` chris_n: The operation succeeded. 01:12 chris_n @later tell pianohackr|work congrats! 01:07 chris_n drat... missed him 01:03 brendan bye pianohackr|work 00:33 brendan got run to the store catch you all in a bit 00:32 brendan yeah some little gems in there 00:32 pianohackr|work There are some very useful tools buried in there 00:32 pianohackr|work But seriously, yes 00:31 pianohackr|work In the least direct possible way! 00:31 brendan is that a call to host it :) 00:31 pianohackr|work Hrm. No such host: contribs.koha-community.org 00:30 pianohackr|work Heh, thanks. You too 00:30 brendan great to see you ;) 00:30 brendan heya pianohackr|work 00:30 pianohackr|work Hi brendan 00:27 brendan heya hdl 00:26 hdl hi brendan and ebegin 00:22 hdl tired (2.30AM). But.... It is really nice to see you. 00:20 pianohackr|work how are you? 00:20 pianohackr|work thanks hdl 00:17 hdl congrats 00:16 hdl hi pianohackr|work 00:10 jo facing adversity and all that :) 00:09 jo but, the community as a whole is definitely stronger for it 00:09 jo yes indeed 00:07 pianohackr|work jo: lots of koha drama since I've been here last, no? 00:07 pianohackr|work hi jo 00:06 jo waves at pianohacker - and sends congrats to :) 00:00 chris ah cool