Time  Nick           Message
00:01 * richard      -> lunch
00:40 moodaepo       @wunder 56001
00:40 munin          moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.3�C (7:40 PM CDT on May 13, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising).
03:18 kmkale         Good morning all
03:18 chris          hi kmkale
03:18 kmkale         hi chris
03:22 kmkale         chris: is it correct to put a copyright notice at the bottom of Koha OPAC with the library as the the holder?
03:22 kmkale         somehow I feel its wrong
03:22 chris          you could do both
03:22 chris          copyright library and koha development team
03:22 chris          something like that
03:23 chris          but yeah its kinda misleading to put just the library
03:23 kmkale         I should talk to the trustees about this
03:23 chris          undoubtedly some of hte text on the page is theirs
03:23 chris          but some is definitely written by otheres
03:24 chris          -e
03:24 kmkale         yes but it implies that the web app is designed and copyrighted by the library
03:24 chris          *nod*
03:24 kmkale         gotta run. see you later. have a nice day
03:25 robin          is there a need to put a copyright notice there at all? To me they usually are just visual noise when used unnecessarily.
03:45 Amit_G         heya chris
03:46 chris          hi Amit_G
04:47 jo             hi all
04:47 jo             can anyone point me to a list of fields in the borrowers database from which I can select compulsory fields in patron setup
04:49 Amit_G         heya jo
04:50 jo             Hia Amit
06:22 Amit_G         heya nicomo
06:23 nicomo         hi Amit_G
06:33 hdl            hi all
07:18 kf             good morning all
07:20 chris          hi kf
07:20 kf             fredericd: around?
07:20 kf             hi chris
07:33 Filippo        Hi
07:34 Filippo        I've just succeded, ... I hope in installing Koha on my Red Hat server, but I cannot find a way to start it...
07:35 Filippo        I have installed the "dev" version and under the installation directory I have now 6 sub-folders: bin, doc, etc, man, misc, var
07:37 Filippo        I do not know hot to proceed to start Koha with my Apache (publishing folder of Apache is /var/www/html)
07:38 Filippo        Can anyone help me starting Koha...?
07:43 fredericd      kf: yes
07:45 Filippo        Do you know a guide to follow to start Koha, or some simple command to make it start?
07:47 fredericd      Filippo: Koha is not a PHP application. Its installation process is more complex. Read in details the installation notes in koha root directory
07:50 kf             fredericd: hi :)
07:51 kf             fredericd: I saw you cc-ed my bug report about javascript error messages - I tried to make a message in the js directory translatable yesterday and I noticed that most of the messages were formatted correctly but not in po. is the js file included for translation?
07:53 fredericd      kf: It should and it certainly was.
07:54 kf             ok, I was testing on my laptop yesterday, I can check in my test installation here again. file a bug if the files are not translated?
07:54 fredericd      yes. Do you recreate .po files yourself or do you work exclusively with pootle?
07:57 kf             I update them and upload to pootle
07:57 kf             upload to pootle from time to time, updated them yesterday to test my changes to the template fles
07:59 fredericd      Do you remember is .js files texts were ever available in .po files?
07:59 kf             Im really not sure
08:00 kf             I do a lot of translation work but its difficult to tell. I started this project because my colleagues and the library were complaining about the english error messages
08:00 fredericd      It's possible that javascript were translatable when available in .tmpl files but not for .js files texts.
08:01 kf             most of the template files are ok, I checked a lot of them yesterday
08:02 kf             I want to get rid of line breaks in translation strings, pootle adds an additional \ so you get  \\n. Pootle shows \n in web interface, but after downloading its  \\n
08:04 fredericd      kf: This is another story. You should file two separate bugs.
08:05 kf             I will add another bug for the \n-case
08:07 kf             I checked in my test installation - the js files are not translated - an example is koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE/js/member.js
08:10 kf             I m reporting it as bug now
08:12 kmkale         kf: just for my knowledge what tools and process do you use for translation? is there some way of automating it by using a dictionary etc?
08:12 kf             fredericd: assign the bug to you? default assignee is still chris
08:13 fredericd      kf: yes, please, and CC to Chris
08:13 kf             kmkale: I use pootle and poedit, no automation.
08:14 fredericd      I can confirm that .js files were never translatable
08:14 kf             ah ok, so mark as enhancementß
08:14 kmkale         ok. Thats what I am doing. But very slow going
08:15 kf             kmkale: not sure automation can really work here.
08:15 kmkale         I can hope and ask cant I? ;)
08:18 kf             kmkale: I can understand the wish for automation very well :)
08:19 kmkale         :)
08:19 kf             bug 4503
08:19 munin          04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5, ---, frederic@tamil.fr, NEW, Javascript files in js directory are not translated
08:19 kf             hm should be directories... *sigh*
09:28 kf             closing bugs is fun :)
10:32 kf             hm, can someone tell why this does not work?
10:32 kf             hinzufügen
10:32 kf             sorry, this: <input type="submit" name="submit" class="icon delete cancel" value="Cancel" onclick="return confirmDelete(_("Are you sure you want to cancel this hold?"));" /></form>
10:32 kf             the button works, but translation not
11:04 chris          hi nengard
11:04 nengard        howdy
11:08 gmcharlt       good morning
11:08 chris_n        g'morning
11:13 chris          hi gmcharlt  and chris_n
11:16 paul_p         hi chris & gmcharlt & chris_n & nengard & al
11:16 nengard        hello all
11:24 paul_p         why Philippe Chabanon join BibLibre : http://www.biblibre.com/fr/blog/billet/pourquoi-jai-rejoint-le-logiciel-libre-pourquoi-je-rejoins-biblibre
11:27 chris          reading now
11:33 kmkale         yikes suddenly the mailbox is crawling with bugs
11:33 * paul_p       heads to nimes server to update their setup with the 2nd iteration of their migration...
12:05 nengard        this sucks royally: http://bit.ly/aPRPvj   can we change KohaCon to this month?? :)
12:09 chilts         wow, that's not a bad deal
12:09 chilts         just come over anyway :)
12:11 nengard        hehe
12:17 kf             my mailbox exceeded limit?
12:41 kmkale         gmcharlt: re minimum version of Perl required to 5.8.2 I can verify make test failed on two separate machines with perl 5.8.8 both machines. On both machines I had tried pulling fron git.koha.org as well as git.koha-community.org
12:42 gmcharlt       kmkale: well, that may or may not mean a problem with the test suite or with the version of Perl
12:42 gmcharlt       would need more information to determine if 5.8.8 is a better value for the minimum required version
12:42 kmkale         make test ran with perl 5.10.1
12:43 kmkale         gmcharlt: I am saying oit fails with 5.8.8 so its not sutaible
12:43 kmkale         -oit +it
12:43 gmcharlt       and I'm saying that's not enough information - we would need to know *why* the test suite fails
12:44 kmkale         humm. I had pasted it that day here and discussed with chris_n. he suggested I try newer version of perl and it worked
12:44 kmkale         dunno if we can retrieve that paste of make test errors
12:47 kf             another translation problem :) confirmation messages in opac are not translated, can someone see what the problem is?
12:47 kf             <input type="submit" name="submit" class="icon delete cancel" value="Cancel" onclick="return confirmDelete(_('Are you sure you want to cancel this hold?'));"
12:51 hdl            seems that two pages are using perl 5.10
12:51 hdl            given when
12:56 kmkale         make test "Error:  "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module"
12:56 gmcharlt       hdl: which pages?
12:56 jdavidb        howdy, #koha.
12:57 sekjal         morning, jdavidb
12:58 kf             morning jdavidb
12:58 hdl            gmcharlt: opac-detail.pl
12:58 hdl            uses Switch
12:59 hdl            the second is opac-topissues.pl
12:59 hdl            +if (C4::Context->userenv){
12:59 hdl            +    $template->param( branchloop => GetBranchesLoop(C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'}));
12:59 hdl            +}
12:59 hdl            +else {
12:59 hdl            +    $template->param( branchloop => GetBranchesLoop());
12:59 hdl            +}
12:59 hdl            Should take that.
13:00 gmcharlt       hdl: Switch is a core module in 5.8.8
13:01 gmcharlt       I'm also missing why that snippet of opac-topissues.pl would require 5.10
13:03 gmcharlt       bumping up the minimum version to 5.8.8 seems reasonable to me, and I'm not necessarily opposed to going as high as 5.10, but the latter woudl have to be proposed and discussed on koha-devel
13:04 hdl            gmcharlt: no opac-topissues.pl doesnot require 5.10
13:34 ccurry         Hello all.  I'm having trouble getting the cleanup_database.pl script to automate.  I logged in as koha and typed crontab -e, saved and was informed that a new crontab had been installed.  I ran the script manually as koha and it worked perfectly.  Here is my crontab: http://pastebin.com/YVKSKWXH & here is my syslog: "May 14 03:00:01 eucalyptus /USR/SBIN/CRON[18532]: (koha) CMD (perl...
13:34 ccurry         .../usr/local/src/kohaclone/misc/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl -v --sessions --zebraqueue 10>>/var/log/koha/cleanup_database.log)"  Anyone know why I still have rows in my zebra queue table older than 10 days?
13:53 hdl            ccurry: --zebraqueue 10 >>/var/log....
13:53 hdl            10>> is not correct
14:14 ccurry         hdl: the ">>" part specifically?  I tried it with the command ending at "10" and I added ">>/var/log/koha/cleanup_database.log" so I could see the output.  No output is being created, of course.
14:15 ccurry         I created the log file, of course.
14:15 ccurry         I wanted it to continue to log the activity, rather than overwrite the file every time, hence the ">>"
14:16 ccurry         hdl: sorry for the delayed response.  I was away from my desk.
14:18 gmcharlt       ccurry: there needs to be a space
14:18 gmcharlt       10 >>
14:24 ccurry         gmcharlt: ah...but this doesn't explain why the command didn't run when I wasn't using the logging.  Can you tell if I missed anything else in the cron setup?
14:26 ccurry         Thanks, btw, gmcharlt & hdl.  I have thick head today, I guess.
14:28 gmcharlt       http://www.libraryjournal.com/blog/1090000309/post/280054428.html
14:39 chris_n        *grumble*
14:39 paul_p         chris_n what kind of grumble ?
14:40 * paul_p       can't decide how to understand this blog post...
14:41 wizzyrea       we're in disarray, apparently
14:41 paul_p         wizzyrea, you're disarrayed too ?
14:42 * paul_p       thought it was my english...
14:42 wizzyrea       some people would contend that I'm always in disarray ;)
14:42 wizzyrea       disarray = mess
14:42 wizzyrea       afk a minute
14:43 chris_n        paul_p: a grumble at those who seem to know exactly what our problem is and what we should do, but are in no other way involved
14:44 paul_p         so you think he's wrong blogging this ?
14:44 nengard        thanks gmcharlt i have commented
14:45 nengard        paul_p I only think one point is wrong - and that's the 'disarray' part
14:45 chris_n        I think it is yet another opinion which appears to me to lend credence to the ptfs koha vs community koha thought
14:45 nengard        as I stated in my comment
14:46 * chris_n      wonders if it would help mitigate this thought by having every vendor do a Vendor-X koha release
14:47 nengard        chris_n the problem is with the word 'release'
14:47 nengard        we have a 'release manager' for a reason
14:47 nengard        I liked gmcharlt's post
14:47 nengard        on that topic
14:50 libtek         Wondering if anyone knows how to resolve koha installation issue.  I'm at the end of building Koha 3, and the last line in ubuntu fails.  I type "sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml &", and I get the message "sudo: zebrasrv?: command not found".  Any ideas what to do?
14:50 wizzyrea       or we could define a set of rules: only posted on your site, never labeled as an official release
14:51 wizzyrea       can you do a which zebrasrv?
14:51 chris_n        only if there is a whole herd of them :)
14:51 wizzyrea       you probably need the full path, since your koha user probably doesn't have default paths defined
14:52 libtek         wizzyrea: I'm still new to ubuntu and koha.  Can you explain?
14:53 wizzyrea       well
14:53 wizzyrea       what that command does
14:53 bgkriegel      libtek: what version of ubuntu?
14:53 libtek         wizzrea: I'm having trouble even finding where zebrasrv is
14:53 libtek         wizzrea: 9.10
14:54 chris_n        libtek: you can also do: 'sudo updatedb' and then 'locate zebrasrv'
14:55 wizzyrea       is says "substitute user Koha wants to run zebrasrv"
14:55 wizzyrea       but apparently user koha doesn't know where zebrasrv is
14:56 wizzyrea       so do what chris said
14:56 wizzyrea       sudo updatedb
14:56 wizzyrea       locate zebrasrv
14:56 bgkriegel      libtek: is zebra zebra? on Ubuntu 9.10 do "sudo apt-get install idzebra-2.0"
14:56 bgkriegel      sorry, is zebra installed?
14:59 libtek         According to my instructions, I entered "sudo aptitude install yaz idzebra idzebra-2.0-doc".  When I enter "locate zebrasrv" I get "/usr/share/doc/idzebra-2.0-doc/idzebra-2.0/zebrasrv.html"
15:02 chris_n        libtek: zebra is not installed in that case I think
15:02 chris_n        you need to do what bgkriegel said
15:02 libtek         Okay.  I'll give that a try
15:02 bgkriegel      libtek: the virtual package is idezebra-2.0, if you do apt-get install idzebra you got an error message
15:05 chris_n        libtek: to head off another potential issue: you should *not* run the zebraqueue daemon
15:06 libtek         Thanks for the heads up on that.  I am trying the install with idzebra-2.0 rather than just idzebra.  So far, looks good.
15:07 bgkriegel      chris_n: why not run zebraqueue?
15:07 libtek         That worked.  It's working on it now.  Thank you everyone for your help!
15:09 chris_n        bgkriegel: it has been deprecated due to memory leaks
15:09 chris_n        the current recommendation is a cronjob using rebuild_zebra.pl
15:10 bgkriegel      Ok then, this info must be updated on the READMEs
15:11 bgkriegel      I have zebraqueue running and a cronjob to rebuild..
15:15 paul_p         hey, seems I missed what nengard pointed (in roy blog post) : there is no disarray in koha community. Just a fork, and the forker having koha.org !
15:15 wizzyrea       hehe forker
15:15 wizzyrea       hey forker, give us back our domain!
15:16 * wizzyrea     giggles... that's terribly inappropriate
15:16 chris_n        forker it over... now
15:16 wizzyrea       chris_n:
15:17 wizzyrea       this is a very slippery slope, leading to uncontrollable giggling
15:17 chris_n        and its friday too
15:18 wizzyrea       oh, right, I forgot
15:18 wizzyrea       all bets are off in that case
15:59 kf             jacmins: around?
16:08 jcamins        kf: Sorry about the delay. I was bumped and didn't notice. But, yes (assuming you mean jcamins...).
16:09 kf             jcamins: yes :) I finally started work on xslt today, I added a bug 4506
16:09 munin          04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w
16:10 kf             jcamins: I saw your bug about analytics and printed the paper, will read at the weekend, but I think it touches the same things
16:11 kf             ok, time for weekend now :) bye koha!
16:13 chris_n        gmcharlt, hdl: re: code using switch... switch is deprecated in 5.10 so we should probably re-factor code that uses it (in 3.4 at least)
16:22 jdavidb        a flashmob of wizzyreas?  Wait, there's more than one?
16:24 gmcharlt       chris_n: http://perldoc.perl.org/Switch.html seems to imply that Switch is a core module for 5.12
16:24 chris_n        gmcharlt: http://perldoc.perl.org/perldelta.html#Deprecations
16:25 chris_n        especially this: "Switch is buggy and should be avoided. You may find Perl's new given /when  feature a suitable replacement. See "Switch statements" in perlsyn for more information."
16:25 gmcharlt       ah, ok
16:29 chris_n        heya Colin
16:30 Colin          Hi
16:30 wizzyrea_mob   omg
16:30 wizzyrea_mob   so many of me
16:30 wizzyrea_mob   I'm getting confused!
16:31 gmcharlt       wizzyrea_mob: just don't start arguing with yourself
16:31 * jdavidb      thinks extra wizzyreas would be a good thing to have around.
16:32 wizzyrea_mob   gmcharlt: yea, I agree, that would probably be ugly for all involved
16:33 * wizzyrea_mob is feeling a bit like nemo's dad inside the whale these days
16:43 paul_p         git moved to koha-community.org. Only ML need to be moved now isn't it ? we (BibLibre) will try to work on that next week
16:46 paul_p         bye world. Time for week-end for frenchies !
16:46 paul_p         see you on monday
16:47 wizzyrea_mob   bye paul_p
16:47 paul_p         one of our server just started running a 1 200 000 items migration !
16:48 chris_n        bye paul_p
16:49 wizzyrea_mob   well when sean gets here, we should shower him with hugs.
16:49 * wizzyrea_mob hugs jdavidb and jwagner
16:49 nengard        hehe
16:50 jdavidb        :)  thanks, Liz.
16:50 jdavidb        dbirmingham and cfouts and I all think Sean is pretty great!  He's certainly cut out a lot of the chaos that was our lives in development.
16:51 wizzyrea_mob   we should get them in here too :)
16:51 wizzyrea_mob   I have lots of hugs to hand out.
16:52 jdavidb        I keep trying.  dbirmingham is my office-mate, so he at least knows what's going on.
16:55 * wizzyrea_mob is impressed by the size of paul_p's migration
16:55 joetho         size matters
16:55 wizzyrea_mob   oh hi joetho
16:56 wizzyrea_mob   NExpress isn't quite to 1 million yet
16:56 wizzyrea_mob   650k
16:56 joetho         <--440k
16:56 joetho         a consortium-wide inventory would probably reduce that somewhat
16:57 joetho         like HALF
16:58 wizzyrea_mob   !!
16:58 nengard        waasn't there another library with 1million?
16:58 nengard        a few years ago - i thought chris was telling me about one
16:59 gmcharlt       technically speaking, biblios.net is essentially a Koha database with 30 million bibs
16:59 gmcharlt       no circulation transactions in it, of course
17:00 nengard        nope it's not biblios - it was some government library - i thought -but i might just be creating false memories :)
17:02 libtek         Okay.  I'm stuck again.  On my Koha/Ubuntu install, I am trying to browse the apache server (http://[servername]:8080/) to answer some questions for the install.  I just get a "The webpage cannot be found" error.  Anyone have any ideas?
17:04 wizzyrea_mob   have you restarted apache?
17:05 wizzyrea_mob   apache2ctl restart
17:09 libtek         Yes.  I tried both "sudo apache2ctl restart" and "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
17:11 wizzyrea_mob   that's not the actual name of the server?
17:11 wizzyrea_mob   you're not actually trying to browse to http://[servername]:8080/
17:11 wizzyrea_mob   you are substituting your server name for [servername] right?
17:11 libtek         I can get the default "It works!" page if I don't add the port 8080, but since then I've disabled that default site and ensured that the koha site was enabled.
17:12 wizzyrea_mob   ok, it sounds like your virtual hosts are messed up
17:12 libtek         I am not typing [servername].  I am at my computer in the browser and I actually am typing the IP address for that server.
17:13 wizzyrea_mob   k good, sorry I know that sounds like a condescending question, it wasn't meant to be
17:13 wizzyrea_mob   we get all skill levels here :)
17:14 jdavidb        oooo...sean just asked me for the URL to get here!
17:14 wizzyrea_mob   http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=1392bed8b563d8534da6aec9288199ef&server=irc.katipo.co.nz&channel=%23koha
17:14 libtek         that's ok
17:15 wizzyrea_mob   if I were at my normal computer, libtek, I could probalby help you more
17:15 wizzyrea_mob   :/
17:16 chris_n        libtek: can you paste your koha-httpd.conf to paste.workbuffer.org?
17:18 libtek         I've never used that before.  I'm not sure how to get the file off the ubuntu server.  I am really green with ubuntu.  I'd copy it to a flash drive if I knew how, or I'd do it straight from the server if I knew how.  Sorry.  It's rough starting out.
17:19 chris_n        np, do you have ssh access to the server?
17:19 libtek         No clue.  :/
17:20 chris_n        one step back then: how did you get koha installed?
17:20 smcintyre      Hello everyone!
17:20 * jdavidb      proudly introduces his boss, smcintyre, to his friends and colleagues in #koha.
17:20 chris_n        heya smcintyre
17:20 * wizzyrea_mob waves
17:20 collum         hi smcintyre
17:21 Colin          Hi Sean
17:21 smcintyre      waves back to everyone
17:21 * wizzyrea_mob would hug you, but we just met
17:21 jdavidb        Would I be out of line calling for Roll Call, so Sean knows where you're from and all?
17:21 libtek         chris_n: I am following the instructions via wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=koha_3_install_guide_ubuntu_hardy.
17:21 smcintyre      smiles
17:22 * wizzyrea_mob <- Liz Rea, NEKLS
17:22 smcintyre      hi Liz
17:22 smcintyre      always happy to meet a customer
17:22 chris_n        libtek: you might want to read up on setting up openssh-server on your ubuntu box
17:22 wizzyrea_mob   :)
17:22 wizzyrea_mob   libtek: apt-get install ssh should do it :P
17:22 chris_n        libtek: that will make your life much easier
17:23 * collum       is Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library, kibitzing atm
17:23 smcintyre      hi Garry
17:23 chris_n        libtek: if your desktop is windows, you can use putty to connect to your server
17:23 chris_n        libtek: if it's *nix, then just ssh
17:24 chris_n        chris_n: as wizzyrea_mob says, its probably a problem with your virtual host setup
17:24 smcintyre      Let me apologize in advance to the LibLime customers, I am not familiar with all of our customers, so I may not recognize you as such, you may need to remind me...
17:24 chris_n        but we'd need to see koha-httpd.conf to be of much help
17:25 libtek         okay, I just "sudo apt-get install ssh".   Looks like it did its thing.
17:25 libtek         now I need putty on my computer?
17:25 wizzyrea_mob   http://www.putty.org/
17:26 chris_n        http://putty.very.rulez.org/download.html
17:26 chris_n        heh
17:26 chris_n        libtek: also get pscp.exe as well
17:26 sekjal         hi, smcintyre. welcome!
17:26 * sekjal       is Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions
17:26 smcintyre      hello Ian!
17:26 chris_n        and put both in your system32 folder or add the path to their location to the PATH envar
17:27 chris_n        libtek: you may also want to do something like 'sudo apt-get install vim'
17:27 wizzyrea_mob   yikes chris_n
17:27 gmcharlt       hi smcintyre
17:27 * wizzyrea_mob would only ever suggest nano
17:27 wizzyrea_mob   lol
17:27 wizzyrea_mob   for a beginner :P
17:27 chris_n        vim++
17:28 smcintyre      hello gmcharlt
17:28 libtek         got it
17:28 chris_n        wizzyrea_mob: awww.... just come on in the deep end
17:28 wizzyrea_mob   *beginner*
17:29 wizzyrea_mob   no need to make it worse (lol)
17:29 cait           hi all
17:29 wizzyrea_mob   hi cait
17:29 chris          hi smcintyre
17:29 chris          heya cait
17:29 * jdavidb      waves happily to cait, and introduces her to his boss, smcintyre, who just entered the channel a few minutes ago.
17:29 cait           smcintyre: hi and welcome :)
17:30 smcintyre      hi Chris
17:30 smcintyre      hi cait
17:30 * cait         smiles and waves back to jdavidb
17:32 libtek         okay.  I have logged into the server via putty/ssh.
17:32 libtek         It is saying a system restar required.
17:32 libtek         restart
17:33 wizzyrea_mob   that's fine
17:33 cait           wizzyrea: mob?
17:33 wizzyrea_mob   kind of mobile, I'm here through mibbit
17:33 chris_n        == many wizzyreas
17:33 wizzyrea_mob   I left my laptop at home and needed to have contact with my pals :P
17:33 wizzyrea_mob   and am not at my normal computer
17:33 chris_n        libtek: what type of koha install did you do? ie. standard, dev, single
17:33 cait           ah, mobile. :) I had other associations
17:34 libtek         I pressed enter for the default, which I believe was standard
17:35 chris_n        libtek: ok, then either 'vim /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf' or 'nano /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf' depending on your preference
17:36 libtek         chris_n: okay done
17:38 chris_n        libtek: select the contents of the putty screen (you may want to maximize first) then head over to paste.workbuffer.org and paste it in; no need to do a copy in the putty screen btw
17:42 libtek         chris_n: Okay.  Do I fill out parts 1-3 and then paste it?
17:43 chris_n        right
17:43 pastebot       "libtek" at pasted "copy of koha-httpd.conf" (72 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/5
17:44 libtek         chris_n: Interesting tool
17:44 chris          i still need to fix the fact that nat confuses it
17:44 chris          but other than that, it works great
17:46 libtek         chris_n: I've made no alterations to this file.  This is how it came.
17:46 chris_n        libtek: so does ubuntu01 resolve to the correct ip for this box?
17:47 chris_n        opps
17:48 libtek         chris_n: no.  We are not involving a DNS at this point.  I am strictly testing and going by IP at this point.
17:48 chris_n        libtek: we need to change the loopback address to the network interface ip
17:49 chris_n        then restart apache
17:49 chris_n        then try
17:50 libtek         chris_n: so should I replace ubuntu01 with the IP address of the ubuntu box then, for all instances?
17:50 libtek         chris_n: or localhost?
17:50 wizzyrea_mob   yep
17:50 chris_n        yes to both
17:50 chris_n        not localhost
17:50 chris_n        but also the virtualhost ip
17:50 libtek         okay.  I'll do that right now.
17:51 chris_n        so ServerName and VirtualHost
17:51 wizzyrea_mob   then reload apache
17:51 chris_n        and be sure to get the port in there for now
17:51 chris_n        tag_team_tech_support++
17:51 * wizzyrea_mob high-fives chris_n
17:54 libtek         chris_n: The port is already listed with VirtualHost.  Should it be with ServerName too?
17:56 chris_n        I believe so
17:57 libtek         production mode - trapped fatal error
17:57 libtek         production mode - trapped fatal error
17:57 libtek         chris_n:I didn't, but it seems to work.  If I browse just the IP, I get the catalog.  :)  However, when I go to port 8080, I get this message: "
17:57 libtek         Sorry, paste doesn't work here.  :/
17:58 chris_n        you need to include the port on at least the ServerName entry for your 8080 instance
17:59 libtek         chris_n: At least now the site is responding.  That's something.  Now, I just have to figure out why I am getting this error.
17:59 chris_n        libtek: what error message are you getting?
17:59 libtek         chris_n: production mode - trapped fatal error
18:00 chris          the error logs will help with that
18:00 chris          dollars for donuts its a missing perl module, or it cant connect to the db
18:02 libtek         chris: would the logs be in the /build/koha-3.00.02/errors directory?
18:03 chris          nope, the main apache2 error log will be in
18:03 chris          /var/log/apache2
18:04 chris          and the koha specific ones are most likely in /usr/share/koha/var/log/
18:05 libtek         chris: nothing in error.log.  I will check the koha specific ones now.
18:09 libtek         chris: the only directories under /usr/share/koha are bin, doc, intranet, lib, man, misc, and opac.  no var.
18:11 chris          theres no /var/log/koha either?
18:11 chris          actually your koha-httpd.conf will tell you where they are logging
18:12 chris_n        libtek: looks like /var/log/koha
18:12 chris          cool
18:13 chris          my isn't functioning good yet, its only 6.15am so i still have the dumb
18:14 * chris_n      hand chris coffee
18:14 chris_n        we need to teach munin to make coffee
18:14 libtek         yep, that's the one.  It is showing tons of errors.  :/  UGH!
18:15 chris_n        paste.workbuffer.org is your friend
18:15 libtek         I'll past the last attempt
18:19 pastebot       "libtek" at pasted "part of koha-err_log" (26 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/6
18:20 libtek         looks like it can't find tables
18:21 chris_n        libtek: did the webinstaller run without incident?
18:22 chris          yeah it wont be able to until the web installer has run, you should be being directed to that on the staff interface
18:23 chris_n        is that the bottom of the log?
18:24 libtek         no.  Had trouble copying.  I could only copy so much at a time, then when I tried to scroll down for more, I kept loosing my place.  The lines are too similar, and hard to track when scrolling in the editors.  There is a lot more.
18:24 chris_n        what are the bottom two lines?
18:25 chris_n        use this 'tail /var/log/koha/koha-error_log
18:26 libtek         The only issue I noted when following the instructions was when I installed libssl0.9.7.  I had to replace the i386 references with amd64 references.
18:27 pastebot       "libtek" at pasted "bottom two lines of errors" (3 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/7
18:27 chris_n        and there is nothing in the /var/log/apache2/error.log file?
18:29 libtek         not since we restarted the server with the correct host ips.
18:31 libtek         I'm wondering if this could be because of my installing on Ubuntu 9.10, or maybe that I have perl 5.10.  There were warnings in the instructions, but I was trudging ahead since there were 9.10 instructions included.
18:31 chris_n        nope
18:32 libtek         strictly a db issue?
18:32 * chris_n      does Koha development on 64bit Lucid
18:32 chris_n        sounds like a permission problem, although I'm not sure how atm
18:35 chris_n        libtek: were any perl modules noted missing when you ran Makefile.PL?
18:36 chris_n        and what do the permissions look like on /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/install.pl
18:38 libtek         Not sure.  Most of that flies by so fast, it's hard to catch, or I don't know what's normal for the install.  The instructions did not that I would recieve some errors during the make test, and they could be ignored.  So, I may have just ignored what I saw as errors.
18:39 chris_n        do this and post the result: 'ls -l /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/install.pl'
18:40 chris_n        libtek: also, what version of Koha is this? (I missed that earlier)
18:41 libtek         -rwxr-xr-x 1 koha koha 18711 2009-06-03 07:24 /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/install.pl
18:41 libtek         version 3.00.02
18:42 chris_n        that looks ok
18:42 libtek         If there are versions of ubuntu and koha I would be better off with for beginning, I'm all for it.
18:42 chris_n        so lets re-run 'perl Makefile.PL' and see if it complains about missing modules
18:43 chris_n        this should work just fine
18:43 libtek         ok.  I appreciate the help, by the way.  Your time has helped a lot.
18:43 libtek         Let me get to the right page....
18:43 libtek         okay
18:44 libtek         starting it now...
18:44 chris_n        glad to help
18:44 chris_n        libtek: you can just accept the defaults as we will not be 'making' again
18:49 libtek         I'm at the place where it wants the name of the user that owns the database.  I was instructed to use something other than the user name and password given in the creation of the MySQL database.  So I assume I use the same name that I used when I created the db, right?
18:49 chris_n        you can just accept the defaults on this run
18:49 libtek         okay
18:49 chris_n        the results will have no effect on your current install
18:51 libtek         I defaulted to the grs1 authorities indexing mode.  Originally I used dom as the instructions suggested.
18:51 mle            : )
18:52 libtek         chris_n: okay, it's done.
18:52 chris_n        did it complain about missing modules?
18:52 libtek         no
18:52 chris_n        hmmm
18:52 chris          ok, tail -f the error koha-error_log
18:52 libtek         Wait
18:53 libtek         reverse that
18:53 chris          (dont do the make, make install etc)
18:53 * chris_n      hangs on the edge of his desk
18:53 libtek         Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml 4.2 not found.
18:53 * chris_n      thought that might be the case
18:53 * mle          awards RP karma to chris_n : )
18:53 chris_n        bingo
18:54 chris_n        mle:?
18:54 mle            sorryu
18:55 mle            chris_n just nice image of you hanging on your desk.
18:55 chris_n        ahh :)
18:55 * mle          thinks that there is not enough roleplaying in chans
18:55 chris_n        libtek: so we need to install that module
18:55 chris_n        om
18:56 chris_n        do this: 'sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-serialize-yaml-perl'
18:56 libtek         ok...did I miss it somehow, or did things just change enough since the instructions that it got missed?
18:56 chris_n        no, it complained the first time you ran it as well
18:57 chris_n        you were probably just suffering information overload at the time ;-)
18:57 chris_n        but which instructions are you using?
18:57 libtek         okay, working on it.  Done
18:57 chris_n        now hit the staff client and see what happens
18:58 libtek         wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=koha_3_install_guide_ubuntu_hardy
18:58 libtek         Radiant beams of light have decended upon your head!
18:58 libtek         The form came up!
18:59 * mle          is curious as why Ubuntu, but is here to learn not troll.
18:59 chris_n        INSTALL.ubuntu might have been better
18:59 mle            libtek: lol
18:59 chris          yeah don't use that wiki anymore is a good rule of thumb
18:59 chris          wiki.koha-community.org has more up to date info
18:59 chris_n        mle: ubuntu is cousin to debian
18:59 mle            : ) yes I am on Debian
18:59 chris_n        debian is the platform used by most Koha developers
18:59 libtek         I went to what I was lead to in my search for installation instructions.  :)
18:59 chris          and yep, the INSTALL files with the tarball or in the git repo are the best bet
19:00 mle            chris_n oh that is wonderful news.  :)
19:00 libtek         Can you point me to a specific URL for a good install document?  Not that I ever want to have to go through this again.
19:00 libtek         :)
19:01 libtek         chris and chris_n, thank you SO MUCH for helping me out.  By the way, my name is Christopher.  :)  LOL
19:01 chris          so is mine
19:01 chris          :)
19:01 chris          and so is chris_n :)
19:01 chris_n        libtek: nice name
19:01 chris_n        and no problem on the help
19:02 chris_n        just be sure to send any great Koha code you come up with back our way :)
19:03 mle            I have a lot of updates to do. but I dont want to distrub the koha install. I am looking to see if I can get Debian to just do the security updates. tips?
19:03 chris_n        obviously you cannot have too many chris's ;-)
19:03 libtek         Well, if we decide to go with this, I'm sure I might come up with something.  Our consortium has a year to shop around for an alternative ILS.  We are being priced out of our current situation.
19:04 chris_n        libtek: well, you see just how much installation support costs :)
19:04 libtek         :)
19:04 chris_n        I'm not sure you can get priced out of that one
19:05 * chris_n      has to get back to labeling a new set of DLT tapes
19:05 mle            apt-get upgrade -s shows two held back packages. : /   pazpar2 yaz
19:05 libtek         Thanks again!
19:05 mle            enjoy the labeling :)
19:08 libtek         chris_n: one last question.  If I want to change the user name and password from kohaadmin and katikoan, where do I find those to change them?
19:08 chris          koha-conf.xml
19:09 chris          now those are the ones used to connect to the db
19:09 chris          so you need to change that too
19:09 chris          and then ... make a staff user, give it superlibrarian
19:09 chris          and never log in with that user again
19:09 chris          ie, you shouldnt run koha as that user .. you should make a proper user
19:10 chris_n        libtek: you also have to change them in the db
19:10 chris_n        opps
19:10 libtek         yeah, I set up those with custom credentials when I created the mySQL db.  So, I need to make sure Koha has those credentials.
19:10 chris          http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x5468
19:11 libtek         Ugh!  Getting ahead of me.  I just have to get my credentials lined up again first, then I'll work on the staff user.  When I learn how.  :)
19:12 chris          its all in the manual :)
19:19 cait           @roulette
19:19 munin          cait: *click*
19:19 cait           @games
19:19 munin          cait: Error: "games" is not a valid command.
19:19 cait           @game
19:19 munin          cait: Error: "game" is not a valid command.
19:20 cait           @roulette
19:20 munin          *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
19:20 * munin        reloads and spins the chambers.
19:20 cait           munin: ok, I get it, you dont want to play with me... *sniffs*
19:20 munin          cait: Error: "ok," is not a valid command.
19:23 chris          @list games
19:23 munin          chris: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
19:23 chris          @eightball should i take my 3 year old son to the food show?
19:23 munin          chris: You're kidding, right?
19:23 chris          well played munin
19:26 mle            chris I wanted to say that I liked the way you did the logbot page. neat
19:27 mle            @eightball more beer
19:27 munin          mle: It is possible.
19:27 mle            munin: ty
19:27 munin          mle: Error: "ty" is not a valid command.
19:27 mle            lolo
19:27 mle            @lart munin
19:27 munin          mle: Error: There are no larts in my database for #koha.
19:28 mle            i am sorry to hear the munin. larts are useful things
19:29 cait           @eightball rain tomorrow?
19:29 munin          cait: No clue.
19:30 joetho         @eightball will my daughter arrive in kansas by midnite?
19:30 munin          joetho: Obviously.
19:30 joetho         whoa
19:30 joetho         she is driving from San ANtonio
19:31 joetho         thru austin
19:31 joetho         thru dallas
19:31 cait           @eightball will I finish xslt changes next week?
19:31 munin          cait: About as likely as pigs flying.
19:31 chris          thats like 8 million miles or something isnt it
19:31 chris          cait: he knows you too well :-)
19:31 cait           munin does not like me :(
19:31 munin          cait: Error: "does" is not a valid command.
19:32 cait           or he just know more about next week than I do
19:32 chris          :-)
19:32 joetho         @eightball will my daughter stop and play on the way?
19:32 munin          joetho: The answer is certainly yes.
19:35 chris          http://ht.ly/1Le8r <--sekjals talk at code4lib
19:37 chris          @later tell tomascohen i got your patch, will apply and then send on up to koha-patches@lists.koha.org
19:37 munin          chris: The operation succeeded.
19:37 cait           chris: did you see the new german article about koha?
19:38 chris          another linux-pro.de one?
19:38 cait           yes
19:38 chris          yep, google translate didnt do a very good job on it
19:38 chris          but i think it was about harley??
19:38 cait           it was
19:39 cait           mostly about the features
19:39 chris          you saw the integration page eh?
19:39 chris          http://koha-community.org/integration-of-ptfs-code-into-mainline-koha/
19:40 cait           of course I did, you cant miss it
19:40 chris          :)
19:44 sekjal         hey, thanks for the link, chris!  I had forgotten the presentation was videoed
19:46 cait           thank god mine was not
19:47 mle            uho koha just fell over
19:48 mle            seems like point release changes have still b0rked the service. sigh.
19:52 mle            @eightball Should I switch to Redbull?
19:52 munin          mle: It shall be.
20:04 jcamins        Does anyone know... will bad things happen if I run rebuild_zebra.pl -r -a -b without disabling cron?
20:05 cait           I hope not, did that today
20:05 jcamins        Good.
20:06 jcamins        Thanks.
20:07 cait           jcamins: that was not an answer :)
20:07 chris          cait: just sent a patch from tomas .. that adds links to the marc21 docs for each field
20:07 chris          in the addbiblio screen
20:07 chris          thought you might find it handy
20:07 jcamins        cait: I know, but it was an indication of solidarity. :-)
20:08 cait           ah ok :)
20:08 chris          jcamins: should be fine, ive done it plenty
20:09 jcamins        Thanks.
20:10 cait           chris: not sure, my libarians will want me to translate the marc21 docs for them...
20:11 chris          well its a link to LOC
20:11 chris          so its LOC's problem :-)
20:14 cait           there is a German translation, but only pdf
20:14 libtek         chris_n: Are you still there/
20:14 libtek         ?
20:15 libtek         chris: are you there?
20:15 chris_n        back for a moment libtek
20:16 chris          yeah for a little bit more before i take the kids out for the day
20:17 libtek         chris_n: Everything is going great so far.  However, I have to now configure and start zebra.  The wiki info shows that I need to enter: sudo -u ${KOHA_USER} zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml.  It doesn't seem to like the -f switch.  Any suggestions?
20:18 chris_n        libtek: take a look at INSTALL.ubuntu
20:19 chris_n        you need to use the init.d script
20:19 libtek         chris_n: You mentioned that before, but we got sidetracked.  Is this a file, or a site?
20:19 chris_n        that's a file
20:20 chris_n        it should be in the root of the koha install files
20:20 libtek         got it.  thanks again.
20:20 chris_n        same place as Makefile.PL
20:20 chris_n        great
20:21 libtek         no ubuntu though.  There are different distros like debian though.
20:22 chris_n        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;h=f145d18eb5046996824ea59ef5dfaac9c2c90663;hb=HEAD#l266
20:23 chris_n        you want option #2
20:23 libtek         Okay.  Thanks once again!
20:24 chris_n        you can 'locate koha-zebra-ctl.sh' to find it if you need to
20:40 chris          hey nengard, hows the vomit?
20:40 chris          http://www.web2learning.net/archives/3848#comments
20:40 nengard        I don't know - not sure I can keep it all down
20:41 nengard        in between the laughing
20:42 nengard        I write an honest piece about my feelings and that's the kind of reply I get - I don't think I've ever had such a childish response and I've written some pretty nasty things over the years ....
20:42 chris          it was fairly low
20:42 chris_n        nice IT footwork nengard
20:43 nengard        :) thanks
20:43 chris_n        ip tells it all
20:43 mle            yay. its not b0rked.  :)
20:43 chris_n        whoever the poster really is just added more to their list of woes
20:44 nengard        and list of areas of tech to learn more about - open source and now privacy on the web
20:44 chris_n        lol
20:45 chris          well, if you post on someones personal blog ... you have to realise that that blog software tells them your ip
20:45 nengard        unless you've never used a blog ....
20:45 nengard        or paid attention - I'm sure I know some people with blogs who never noticed that the IP was kept
20:46 nengard        hubby is home - must share with him ... be back shortly
20:46 jcamins        Or don't realize that it's trivial to trace an IP.
20:46 jcamins        Have a good weekend, #koha
20:47 hdl            hi there.
20:48 cait           hi hdl
20:48 wizzyrea       hey hdl
20:49 hdl            hi wizzyrea
20:49 chris          poor smcintyre, what unfortunate timing
20:50 hdl            I think I will may release the 3.0.6 tonight if I can get the xslt stuff fixed for 3.0
20:50 libtek         update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon: file does not exist
20:50 chris          w00t
20:50 chris          thats awesome news hdl
20:50 chris_n        hdl++
20:50 joetho         post the IP
20:50 joetho         post the IP
20:50 gmcharlt       hdl++
20:50 joetho         post the IP
20:50 chris_n        joetho++
20:50 mle            nengard: chris: lol ty. lots to learn about all this. useful intro.
20:50 hdl            Where should I post releas notes and download package ?
20:51 joetho         although, to smile and move on is a far better thing
20:51 gmcharlt       hdl: cfouts is still accepting requests, but I also suggest uploading it to savannah as well
20:51 nengard        wasn't hubby was mommy - had to try and explain IP addresses to her :)
20:51 chris          hehe
20:51 chris_n        lol
20:51 wizzyrea       and I can get you rights to edit the download page on k-c.org
20:51 libtek         chris_n: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon: file does not exist / I do see koha-zebra-daemon in /etc/init.d/
20:51 wizzyrea       which I think you should have anyway...
20:52 hdl            gmcharlt: are the 3.2 tarballs on savannah ?
20:52 chris_n        libtek: update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon
20:52 chris          hdl: i can put it on ohloh too
20:52 chris_n        iirc
20:52 gmcharlt       hdl: not yet - when I released the second alpha, for some reason it was taking a while to accept the SSH key I had just added
20:52 gmcharlt       i'll try again
20:53 gmcharlt       hmm, no, still doesn't like my key
20:54 libtek         chris_n: sorry, should I not do the sudo or defaults?
20:54 wizzyrea       hdl: you can edit the download page at k-c.org
20:54 wizzyrea       when you're ready
20:54 libtek         Anyone know where I can find man 8 chkconfig?
20:54 hdl            good.
20:57 wajasu         i had done a migration of a non-marc library database to koha.  i am seeing some umlaut characters in personal names as <U+ff0c>.  So when I built my marc records and streamed them out as marc records, I might have needed to do some conversion.
20:57 wizzyrea       nengard, the manual has a section on the OPAC, right?
20:57 wajasu         any ideas on how i should proceed to clean them up?
20:58 wizzyrea       i'm looking at http://koha-community.org/get-involved/
20:58 wizzyrea       and wondering what we should put "For Users"
20:58 wizzyrea       and by users I think I mean "patrons"
20:58 wajasu         libtek: google worked :)
20:58 chris          you mean borrowers? :)
20:58 chris_n        libtek: man chkconfig
20:58 wizzyrea       maybe I mean "members"
20:59 cait           no, you mean 'benutzer' ;)
20:59 wizzyrea       um... people who use the library?
20:59 chris          :)
20:59 chris_n        libtek: sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults is right
20:59 wizzyrea       how about
20:59 wizzyrea       "My library uses Koha"
20:59 smcintyre      thanks for the nice welcome everyone, enjoy your weekends!  Off to camp with the Cub Scouts...
20:59 wizzyrea       ooh, fun
20:59 chris          ohh awesome
20:59 wizzyrea       we'll talk to you next week man, have a great weekend
20:59 smcintyre      thanks, u2
20:59 chris_n        ttyl smcintyre
20:59 cait           have a nice weekend :)
21:00 chris_n        camping++
21:00 chris          introduce a koha badge :)
21:00 libtek         chris_n: yep.  Something else must be broke.  I got this when I did that: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon: file does not exist
21:00 joetho         camping with kids is dabest
21:00 smcintyre      alfs...
21:00 wajasu         DO YOUR BEST
21:00 gmcharlt       http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/06/nerd-merit-badges-ma.html
21:00 joetho         Obey the laws of the pack!
21:01 chris_n        libtek: possibly a broken sym link?
21:02 libtek         chris_n: don't know what sym is
21:02 chris_n        ie. the 'ln -s' command was typo'd
21:03 libtek         chris_n: I had typed: sudo ln -s $/usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
21:04 wajasu         if I am seeing <U+ff0c>  is it something wrong with my data int he DB? or a display decoding problem in the webpages?
21:04 chris_n        libtek: what does 'ln -l /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon' say?
21:06 mle            libtek> chris_n: I had typed: sudo ln -s $/usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon  - is it not the $?
21:07 chris_n        right
21:07 cait           oooh http://www.nerdmeritbadges.com/ :)
21:07 chris_n        drop the $
21:08 chris_n        libtek: 'sudo rm /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon'
21:08 chris_n        then
21:08 chris_n        sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
21:08 chris_n        mle++
21:08 chris_n        good catch
21:08 mle            chris_n: ty.  : )
21:08 mle            @eightball more beer?
21:08 munin          mle: NO!
21:09 mle            dammchoo munin
21:09 hdl            Is there any git-hooks we could/should share in order to ensure some quality ?
21:09 * chris_n      would like to see a git-hook to munin which notifies on commits to the main repo
21:09 chris_n        sort of like CIA
21:09 hdl            I have some basics. But I would be happy to see if ppl are willing to try and foo that way.
21:09 * mle          wonders which one munin is
21:10 hdl            chris_n: there once was on kohanews.
21:10 gmcharlt       hdl: propose them on the mailng list
21:10 * mle          wonders which bot munin is
21:10 wizzyrea       supybot
21:10 chris_n        mle: supybot
21:10 chris_n        snap
21:10 * wizzyrea     gives chris_n the "great minds" eye
21:10 libtek         ln: invalid option -- 'l'
21:10 hdl            Will do as soon as I am satisfied enough with that.
21:10 libtek         ln: invalid option -- 'l'
21:10 mle            wizzyrea++
21:10 libtek         ln -l /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon returns
21:10 libtek         ln: invalid option -- 'l'
21:10 wizzyrea       chris_n++
21:10 mle            : )
21:11 wizzyrea       have to pass that one along ;)
21:11 mle            this chan rocks
21:11 hdl            at the moment, it does the same both for template and perl files, which is not what I want.
21:11 hdl            rather not what I really would like to propose.
21:14 chris_n        libtek: ln -s
21:14 mle            am i right in thinking fedora has git supybot notify code but debian doesnt? http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=supybot-notify.git
21:14 chris_n        not l
21:15 gmcharlt       hdl: download.koha-community.org should be up and running later this evening - I'll let you know when it's ready
21:15 hdl            will not be on chan this week end.
21:15 gmcharlt       mle: I'll play around with that plugin
21:16 gmcharlt       hdl: I'll email you then
21:16 chris_n        I looked at that the other day
21:16 hdl            ok
21:16 gmcharlt       quick show of hands - do people want git push notifications in #koha or in a separate cahnnel?
21:16 chris_n        but it did not look too promising
21:16 chris_n        #koha +1
21:16 cait           #koha
21:16 cait           +1
21:16 libtek         <chris_n> libtek: what does 'ln -l /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon' say?
21:16 libtek         chris_n: You had asked
21:17 chris_n        libtek: sorry... just run the ln -s without the $
21:17 chris_n        I meant to type ls -l :)
21:17 chris_n        libtek: that is *after* removing the present link
21:18 chris          #koha is fine
21:18 mle            try #koha
21:18 libtek         ugh...sorry!
21:18 mle            if it gets annoying then shift it
21:19 libtek         chris_n: so I have to into something to remove this line?
21:19 libtek         link
21:19 chris_n        <chris_n> libtek: 'sudo rm /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon'
21:19 chris_n        <chris_n> sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
21:22 libtek         chris_n: OKAY.  (sigh)  Done.  Now I'll try the 'sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults'
21:23 wizzyrea       the export tool doesn't delete anything
21:23 wizzyrea       right
21:23 wizzyrea       ?
21:23 wizzyrea       it just gives you a file with your bibs/items in it, right?
21:23 libtek         bingo
21:24 libtek         What ever happened to point and click???  It made me soft in the head apparently!
21:24 chris_n        lol
21:25 libtek         all this because of a blasted $!
21:25 libtek         :)
21:25 libtek         you have patience BEYOND belief.  :)
21:27 chris          hi brendan_
21:27 brendan_       hi
21:27 hdl            hi brendan
21:27 brendan_       hi hdl
21:28 chris_n        heya brendan_ with an underscore :)
21:33 joetho         @roulette
21:33 munin          joetho: *click*
21:33 joetho         @roulette
21:33 munin          joetho: *click*
21:33 joetho         @roulette
21:33 munin          joetho: *click*
21:33 joetho         @roulette
21:33 munin          *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
21:33 * munin        reloads and spins the chambers.
21:37 cait           @roulette
21:37 munin          cait: *click*
21:37 cait           @eightball go and sleep?
21:37 munin          cait: No.
21:37 cait           ok
21:51 cait           ok, really late here - have a nice weekend all!
21:52 wizzyrea       gnite... i'm always too slow with her.
21:52 wizzyrea       I was going to say
21:52 wizzyrea       gnite cait, have a lovely weekend
21:53 chris          hey reed
21:54 chris          going to the food show?
21:54 * wizzyrea     wants to go to the food show
21:54 reed           hello - looking for comments on my comments to Sean McIntyre
21:54 reed           hey!
21:54 reed           batts in my keyboard just died
21:54 chris          ahh
21:55 reed           food show?
21:55 reed           i like food
21:55 reed           and shows
21:55 chris          http://www.foodshow.co.nz/index.cfm/Visit/Wellington/
21:55 chris          reading your email now
21:55 reed           and wellington
21:55 chris          heh
21:56 chris          good points reed
21:56 nengard        agreed
21:57 reed           i want everyone to be happy and everything to be ok
21:57 nengard        agreed
21:57 nengard        :)
21:57 wizzyrea       I like happy and ok
21:58 wizzyrea       because I'd rather go back to making jokes and helping write great software
21:58 wizzyrea       ok, got to go
21:58 wizzyrea       everybody, have a wonderful (rest of your) weekend.
21:58 reed           you too
21:58 wizzyrea       don't let this drama cloud your enjoyment thereof.
21:58 wizzyrea       :)
21:59 reed           ok
21:59 gmcharlt       g'night wizzyrea
22:00 reed           chris, good tip  - Jan and I probly will head down there once we get sorted
22:01 chris          :)
22:02 chris          ok time to go, might bump into you
22:02 reed           cool
22:04 wajasu         i need to know if my db recs need fixin.  I have  <U+00fc> and such in biblios.author columns and &lt;U+00fc&gt in biblioitems.marcxml recs.
22:05 wajasu         marcxml is longtext  in db, so i would expect some textual unicode format that gets decoded upon extraction by perl.
22:08 chris_n        nice email reed
22:08 reed           thanks
22:08 wajasu         http://pastebin.org/237152   shows my concern
22:10 wajasu         i hope its not because i staged my recs instead of bulkmarcimport
22:10 reed           wajasu, i wish i knew more about mysql utf8 handling
22:11 bgkriegel      wajasu: what is the origin of the record? it seems to be normal accents
22:11 chris_n        wajasu: I do know you have to be sure that your db and mysql and... are all setup for utf8
22:11 wajasu         its confusing to know who is responsbile (db, perl modules).  I'll dig into the perl and discern the intents myself later.
22:11 bgkriegel      if they were right
22:12 wajasu         i checked they were set up right in mysql.  in fact my distro defaults fine.
22:12 chris_n        wajasu: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=encodingscratchpad
22:12 chris_n        might be of some help
22:13 wajasu         i just read that.  I'll did into.  just wondered if anyone could do a query on a db like i did and see rows like me.
22:14 wajasu         i'll get into it later. weekend is here.
23:53 hdl            So close to release.
23:54 hdl            But I must get some sleep
23:55 hdl            Sorry all. We will have to wait 2 days more