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23:39 chris http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-05-13-027-35-NW-SW
23:22 chris back
23:03 jo hiya
22:58 chris bbiab
22:57 chris_n heya jo
22:44 larsw thank you
22:42 chris_n larsw: nice response to Bob
22:27 cait good night #koha
22:22 richard hey chris
22:21 chris hi richard
22:21 richard hi
19:55 chris bus time
19:47 * owen is off tomorrow, wishes everyone a good weekend
19:45 cait owen++ :)
19:45 cait yes, thx for your help!
19:44 owen In fact I can see right now that it's not properly formatted for translation
19:44 owen check members-toolbar.inc
19:43 owen ...although I can't remember why...
19:43 owen I know that there are two patron-related toolbar include files
19:43 cait I found circ_toolbar_inc
19:42 cait sure?
19:42 cait suer?
19:42 owen cait: two different *-toolbar.inc files
19:42 gmcharlt sekjal: not unless a library has a compelling reason to charge overdue fines on the basis of a farthing every second
19:41 cait delete borrower from circulation.pl - german error message - same button on details page - english error message
19:39 cait hourly loans - cool!
19:36 sekjal working on hourly loans: I'm thinking of using the minute as the base unit. is there any good case for using seconds?
19:31 chris ahhh
19:30 owen Back to working on statistics for a while after a couple of days of Koha bug fixing
19:29 owen Busy busy.
19:28 chris good thanks owen, hows things with you?
19:25 cait but js directory seems to be not included in translation
19:25 owen Hi chris, how's it going?
19:23 chris cool
19:18 cait will write him from work tomorrow
19:18 cait he is :)
19:17 wizzyrea well chris is awesome like that
19:17 cait yes, he is not here very often, was easier with you :)
19:16 chris maybe email to him and koha-translate might be the easiest
19:14 cait my filed in de-DE are not translated, although the strings are marked with _(" ")
19:14 cait fredericd: around?
19:14 cait ah ok
19:14 chris fredericd is the one to ask, he has done some recent work on the translation scrips
19:13 chris not sure, i thought they were
19:13 cait chris: are the js files not parsed for translation? (koha_tmpl...en/js?
18:56 wizzyrea which I don't know if that would affect it, but in my small mind it seems like it could.
18:56 wizzyrea we do have an impending evening migration
18:56 wizzyrea I mean, our system
18:55 chris_n gmcharlt++ # blog entry
18:54 wizzyrea yea, there must be something screwed up aobut it
18:54 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I was able to import that record w/o problem
18:45 wizzyrea ocn548616666
18:45 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yep, if it has a number starting with ocm or ocn
18:45 wizzyrea 035$a?
18:45 * jdavidb found a *bag* of trashy romances--12 for $5--at the Friends of the MoCo Library bookstore this weekend.
18:45 * gmcharlt has connexion access - what is the OCLC number?
18:44 wizzyrea mmm hmm.
18:44 wizzyrea the reporter says "They were all working yesterday"
18:44 wizzyrea these came from OCLC though
18:44 jdavidb :-O
18:44 wizzyrea oh snap owen
18:44 wizzyrea that's what I thought
18:44 owen ...like a Harlequin Romance maybe.
18:43 jdavidb When I see that, it's usually a trashy record, wizzyrea.
18:36 wizzyrea is that a problem with the record, or something else?
18:36 wizzyrea Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/nekls/kohaclone/C4/Koha.pm line 1104.
18:36 wizzyrea from an imported record
18:36 wizzyrea ok this is bizarre
18:28 cait thanks :)
18:26 cait yay :)
18:24 chris cait++
18:23 chris yay
18:22 gmcharlt cait++
18:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4499 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de, NEW, Javascript erorr messages not translatable
18:22 cait gmcharlt: thx :) working on the next patch - wanted to add them all to bug 4499
18:16 cait owen: resent with thunderbird...
17:55 cait owen: I will wait a bit longer and resend later
17:54 cait perhaps I messed with my git send-email configuration again
17:54 cait :(
17:54 cait me neither
17:50 owen cait: I don't see anything from you on the patches list yet
17:44 cait hm can I trust this OK message from git send-email?
17:43 cait wizzyrea++ for good explanations :)
17:42 cait I try to help, but cant explain as good as others and often dont know enough
17:41 wizzyrea ;)
17:41 wizzyrea hm. too hungry to think of more atm, but just you wait til I have had lunch
17:41 * cait blushes
17:40 wizzyrea cait++ for generally being sweet
17:40 wizzyrea cait++ for all the help with jquery
17:40 wizzyrea cait++ kf++
17:40 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "kf" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
17:40 wizzyrea @karma kf
17:39 cait still a lot to learn to get near wizzyrea and owen :)
17:39 munin cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
17:39 cait @karma cait
17:38 wizzyrea where mean = valid righteous indignation
17:38 owen Well yeah, but I've been so mean to people lately
17:38 wizzyrea e
17:38 wizzyrea because you are awesom
17:38 wizzyrea but I shall never seek to surpass you
17:37 wizzyrea I'm catching you
17:37 wizzyrea ooh, owen
17:37 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 93 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 93.
17:37 gmcharlt send me your SSH public keys
17:37 wizzyrea @karma wizzyrea
17:37 * gmcharlt issuing general call to anybody who wants to publish Koha wip trees to git.koha-community.org
17:37 munin wizzyrea: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (139), "chris" (129), and "owen" (103). Lowest karma: "<!" (-56), "failed" (-36), and "-" (-23). You (wizzyrea) are ranked 4 out of 821.
17:37 wizzyrea @karma
17:31 CGI484 ;)
17:31 wizzyrea sure thing
17:31 CGI484 Thanks all guys. I'll try the dev install, 'cause the library seems really cool and professional ;) THANKS
17:30 wizzyrea cool beans
17:29 CGI484 yes, we'd like to have an internal library for some books and e-books we internally share
17:28 cait CGI484: you can choose dev install instead of standard, you can choose the path and its all in 2 directories
17:28 jdavidb wizzyrea++ #she's just awesome like that.
17:28 wizzyrea dare I ask what you are going to use koha for? a company library?
17:27 CGI484 :)
17:27 wizzyrea aha!
17:27 CGI484 Yes, I prefer ubuntu too, but the company server is Red Hat, so....
17:27 CGI484 Thank you! You're great :) I'll follow the guide and if problems persist I'll get back here for help.
17:26 wizzyrea there are a lot of debian/ubuntu nerds here, not so many redhat folk
17:25 wizzyrea does this help you at all? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.fedora7;h=7393958c8bd409a618de96da415143df9270fbd6;hb=HEAD
17:21 CGI484 Do you know if I can change koha to another directory different from /usr?
17:19 CGI484 thank you. Actually I'm already stuck during the "make" process, but it's my server's problem: "No space left on device at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 443", though I have sapce under /usr ...
17:18 wizzyrea and be done with it (more or less)
17:18 wizzyrea CGI484: we should probably note that in the works is a debian package, so you can just apt-get install koha
17:18 cait wizzyrea++
17:15 wizzyrea we are pro at helping with installs ;)
17:15 wizzyrea sure, stop by anytime if you get stuck
17:13 cait hm I can save an empty currency form?
17:13 CGI484 Ok. It seems to me the installation is not easy, and many dependencies are required. I'm going to try the installation again. Thank you very much for your tips!
17:12 wizzyrea fair warning
17:11 wizzyrea but, it might be buggier. ;)
17:11 CGI484 Thank you, I think I'll give it a try
17:11 owen The 3.2 Alpha2 is lighter because it doesn't include the same translations
17:10 owen CGI484: The 3.0.5 download is large because it includes various translations
17:10 CGI484 DO you know a page with FAQs or tips regarding the installation process?
17:10 wizzyrea :)
17:10 CGI484 :)
17:09 wizzyrea most people have trouble installing it the first time
17:09 CGI484 Is there a lighter version of the software?
17:09 CGI484 Besides I had problems installing it on a Red Hat server
17:09 wizzyrea ?
17:08 CGI484 Ok, so that is the one I found too. It seemed strange because it is 90MB....
17:07 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
17:07 wizzyrea absolutely
17:07 CGI484 Thanks :) . Is there a free version I can dowload and install?
17:07 owen There isn't anything magically cloud-like about it.
17:07 owen CGI484: The "cloud version" of Koha is simply Koha hosted by someone other than yourself.
17:07 wizzyrea are you in the US?
17:07 wizzyrea I cannot stress this enough.
17:06 wizzyrea and they are one among *many* support companies
17:06 wizzyrea (and I should note, Liblime is a division of PTFS)
17:06 wizzyrea and http://koha-community.org is the website of the project
17:05 wizzyrea Koha is the software they are using
17:05 wizzyrea yes. Liblime is a support comapny that supports Koha Library Software
17:05 CGI484 Do you know the difference between Koha and Liblime?
17:05 * cait nods
17:04 wizzyrea I know it's confusing
17:04 wizzyrea not koha.org.
17:04 wizzyrea btw, that is the official koha website.
17:04 CGI484 thank you
17:04 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
17:03 wizzyrea and they are only one of several vendors who would host you in a cloud environment
17:03 CGI484 Ok thank you!
17:03 wizzyrea you would want to talk to them directly about that
17:03 CGI484 yes precisely
17:02 cait not sure what the cloud version of koha is? are you talking about koha express or something like that?
17:01 CGI484 May I know if it is available and how much would it cost for an average group of user of about 100 people?
17:00 CGI484 I would be interested in evaluatiing the Cloud version of Koha
17:00 cait hello CGI484
17:00 CGI484 Hello!
16:59 CGI484 Hel
16:51 cait its seems deklaration and concatenation of the variable dont work together?
16:51 wizzyrea 42?
16:51 cait StrAlert += "\n\n"; works
16:51 cait Im not sure, but var StrAlert = _("Can't save this record because the following field aren't filled");
16:48 gmcharlt what was it?
16:48 cait hm solved it
16:27 cait but after this change the tabs in cataloging are broken
16:27 cait I want to get the line breaks out of the strings for translation, because pootle does strange things to the \
16:26 cait + Â Â var StrAlert = _("Can't save this record because the following field aren't filled :") + "\n\n";
16:26 cait -Â var StrAlert = _("Can't save this record because the following field aren't filled :\n\n");
16:26 cait hm
16:06 * wizzyrea makes another note to see if they have usability classes
16:06 * wizzyrea notes that there is a major university in her town
15:58 wizzyrea *nod*
15:58 gmcharlt wizzyrea: would be nice - although that something (unless we can talk a usability graduate class into doing it) that woudl definitely require paid professionals
15:52 wizzyrea I wonder if we will ever do formal usability testing on koha
15:32 wizzyrea schuster++
15:30 moodaepo gmcharlt++
15:20 cait thx collum!
15:20 * collum points cait to Rodney Dangerfield jokes. http://www.joecasaletto.com/jokes/rodney.htm
15:19 cait workig on javascript error message translation :)
15:19 cait I cant follow your conversation
15:19 cait :)
15:19 cait huh?
15:14 wizzyrea I love it.
15:14 wizzyrea owen: the opac keeps getting sexier and sexier.
15:12 owen A girl phoned hidemytags the other day and said... Come on over, there's nobody home. hidemytags went over. Nobody was home.
15:06 wizzyrea sorry, I had to.
15:06 wizzyrea it don't get no respect.
15:05 sekjal hmmm
15:05 sekjal not seeming any respect for the hidemytags param anywhere in opac/opac-tags.pl
15:05 owen sekjal: The "hidemytags" stuff has been in the template since 2008, but some changes to the script were made by paul_p in 2009
14:53 nengard now I need to get ready for my presentation and then head out - see you all tonight or tomorrow
14:52 nengard gmcharlt++
14:52 cait gmcharlt++
14:51 wizzyrea gmcharlt++
14:51 wizzyrea hm
14:50 sekjal maybe that's why it's a stub: too hard
14:50 sekjal I haven't looked too deeply at the code to see what it would take to actually implement, though
14:50 sekjal I don't see it as a particularly desirable feature, but maybe someone would want the option
14:49 owen gmcharlt++ # for http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=45
14:49 nengard that crowd
14:49 nengard the point of tags is to have the wisdom of the crowd and i'm part of thata crowd
14:49 nengard I've never seen it before
14:49 nengard or remove the link altogether - what other site offers that functionality?
14:49 nengard we'd have to make it clear what was happening
14:48 sekjal perhaps fade them
14:48 sekjal color tags of yours that others have used too in some different color
14:48 nengard hehe
14:48 sekjal perhaps a compromise
14:48 sekjal I'd say go, because you can search for all your tags in the "My Tags" list below
14:47 nengard cause it is someone else's tag
14:47 nengard i'd say stay
14:47 sekjal what if some else also used a tag of yours? should that tag stay or go?
14:47 nengard yes
14:46 sekjal but it seems logical to say that clicking it should filter out your tags from the tag cloud
14:46 nengard owen - but it does put a flag in the URL
14:46 sekjal I think this feature may be a stub at this point
14:45 owen I notice the interface also does not change the "hide" language after it has been activated
14:45 nengard that is my guess as well
14:45 sekjal this link seems to have no effect
14:45 sekjal my test patron has an approved tag that only he has used. When I click the "Hide My Tags" link, that tag is NOT filtered from the cloud
14:45 nengard owen - same here
14:44 owen And my rejected tags don't show up in the cloud anyway
14:44 nengard sekjal i think it would be so you could see what other people used as tags
14:44 owen It doesn't hide my approved tags and show me only other users' tags
14:44 owen sekjal: I can't figure out what it's doing just by trying it
14:43 sekjal nengard: in the OPAC, under Tag Cloud, if you're logged in, there is a link "Hide My Tags" next to the Show up to X option
14:42 nengard let's take a step back and tell Nicole where this hide link is :) I don't have it documented - I don't remember ever seeing it before
14:39 sekjal owen: the former certainly does not. the latter doesn't seem to, but perhaps that because none of my tags were part of the cloud. will retest
14:38 owen sekjal: Does neither happen in practice?
14:38 owen I would think the latter
14:34 sekjal is this to hide the "My Tags" section underneath the tag cloud, or to filter out your tags from the tag cloud (so you only see what others have tagged)?
14:34 sekjal does anyone know what the intent is behind the "Hide My Tags" link in the patron account section of the OPAC?
14:06 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 11.2�C (10:07 AM EDT on May 13, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.35 in 1027.7 hPa (Falling).
14:06 jdavidb @wunder 20817
14:04 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.2�C (4:06 PM CEST on May 13, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Steady).
14:04 cait @wunder Konstanz
14:01 * cait waves to jdavidb
13:59 * jdavidb waves to cait
13:07 cait hi #koha
12:59 alreadygone \o/ koha 3.00.05 works great. thanks chris :)
12:52 munin gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4444 enhancement, P5, ---, chris.nighswonger@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Centralize Code Handling Perl Dependencies
12:52 gmcharlt @bug 4444
12:18 Nate morning owen, jdavidb
12:18 jdavidb howdy
12:18 owen Hi #koha
11:54 nengard LOL yes they do
11:54 gmcharlt nengard: and puppy baths lead to in-house weather?
11:48 alreadygone morning jwagner
11:47 jwagner morning, all
11:47 chris ahh yep
11:47 nengard and hairy pups with sick tummies leads to puppy baths
11:47 nengard had 2 pups with sick tummies
11:47 nengard what a morning already
11:47 nengard hiya
11:47 chris hi nengard
11:36 chris hi jwagner
11:32 alreadygone ok
11:31 chris developer
11:29 alreadygone what is your profession chris ?
11:22 alreadygone i see
11:22 chris it does a reverse dns lookup
11:22 chris the latter
11:22 alreadygone is it a cloak you have... or is it just not an IP, but a real address
11:21 alreadygone you have a cloak. Where did you get that from?
11:20 chris nope
11:20 alreadygone so I can't get a cloak either
11:19 chris you can't
11:18 alreadygone how do you register nick on this network? Freenode's command does not work here.
11:17 alreadygone thousands of miles away...
11:17 chris lots of hops
11:17 chris from nz, to la, then through france to .pk
11:16 chris yup
11:16 alreadygone yup, ran Traceroute?
11:16 chris alreadygone: you are in pakistan?
11:11 alreadygone :)
11:10 chris :)
11:10 chris yeah thats chris n, im chris c
11:09 alreadygone crap, that's a different chris
11:06 alreadygone ok, came back from the park? :) thanks, I guess I'll have to download the latest version
11:04 chris http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
11:03 chris latest 3.0. release is 3.0.5
11:02 chris ahhh thats a pretty old version
10:59 alreadygone uhh ho
10:59 chris_n bbl
10:59 * chris_n heads off to the park for the day
10:57 alreadygone name of zip file I used: koha-3.00.02.tar.gz
10:56 alreadygone wait
10:55 chris that looks like a legit error .. what version of koha?
10:54 alreadygone chris, here is another error for you, when I tried to "save" the record: http://www.pastie.org/958452
10:53 alreadygone Koha may not be discussed till 2nd semester, but I want to know about it now
10:53 alreadygone got admission in college for Library science, 1st semester
10:52 alreadygone just trying Koha to start knowing it better
10:52 alreadygone yes, :)
10:52 chris alreadygone: are you setting up a library for yourself?
10:44 alreadygone morning gmcharlt
10:43 gmcharlt morning
10:43 alreadygone thanks again chris
10:42 chris http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x2875#AEN2963
10:42 chris and then add some itemtypes
10:42 chris you need to go to admin
10:37 alreadygone chris?
10:36 alreadygone there is a drop down list on that subfield, but the list has no options to choose from!
10:36 alreadygone I am trying to save a MARC record, getting this error when trying to save: Can't save this record because the following field aren't filled : * tag 942 subfield c Item type in tab 9
09:47 chris no worries
09:45 alreadygone \o/ it worked ! thank you very much chris
09:43 Colin hi guys
09:43 chris hi chris_n
09:40 chris_n g'morning
09:33 chris hi Colin
08:57 alreadygone ok
08:57 alreadygone aah, cool
08:57 chris just dont do the make, make install bits
08:56 chris you can run the perl Makefile.PL again
08:56 alreadygone is there a way to get the list of missing things again?
08:55 alreadygone Yes I saw a long list, I should have noted them then :|
08:53 chris it should have listed all the missing modules
08:52 chris when you ran perl Makefile.PL
08:51 alreadygone ok, let me try to install that
08:49 chris is the relevant bit you are missing that module
08:49 chris Can't locate HTML/Template/Pro.pm
08:45 alreadygone kindly have a look: http://www.pastie.org/958343
08:42 kmkale hi amit
08:41 Amit_G heya kmkale
08:19 kmkale is it 520a?
08:11 kmkale robin: sorry I was called away from desk. Whats the synopsis field tag no? is it displayed in opac?
07:44 alreadygone i am on Slackware 13 by the way...
07:39 alreadygone now I am getting: production mode - trapped fatal error
07:18 robin kmkale: there is a synopsis field, is that what you're after for a summary?
07:13 kmkale is 500a general note the right place for summary of the book?
06:53 alreadygone # at t/1-Net-Z3950-ZOOM.t line 22.
06:53 alreadygone # Failed test 'connection to non-existent host 'no.such.host' fails'
06:53 alreadygone i'm trying to install: perl -MCPAN -e 'install ZOOM' and got:
06:52 alreadygone hi, what does this mean: make test had returned bad status, won't install without force
06:18 kmkale whats the best marc tag for type of book (fiction/non fiction/romance etc)?
06:17 kmkale Good morning all
06:13 Amit_G heya mason
06:05 brendan heya mason
06:05 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (10:45 PM PDT on May 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).
06:05 brendan @wunder 93117
05:58 mason hmm, not for another few hours.... :/
05:44 mason any idea what time they clock-in?
05:43 mason me checks the time....
05:43 mason jane or david perhaps?
05:42 mason any PTFS-ers about?
05:06 UPL_Begz hi all
03:47 Amit_G heya chris, brendan
03:43 brendan heya Amit_G
03:42 chris hi Amit_G
03:27 brendan heya chris
03:26 chris chris_n++
03:26 chris ohh and nice work on the dependencies chris_n
03:25 chris heya brendan
03:13 chris +n
03:13 chris excellet
03:11 reed cool
03:11 richard but next week for sure
03:11 richard which will eat up quite a bit of my day
03:11 richard actually mightn't be able to make it tomorrow. i'm filling in for rach on some breakfast do
03:10 chris richard: we do lunches there quite often, sounds like we will be tomorrrow :)
03:09 reed i hear maranui cafe is reopening
03:09 richard never been there - i'm overwhelmed by the number of takeaways in island bay as it is
03:09 reed only rangi's
03:09 reed eh
03:08 robin :)
03:08 robin reed: did I hear you saying you're buying?
03:08 richard was just going to ask where you went
03:08 * richard partial to the fishburger
03:08 chris do you know offbeat burgers in leftbank richard?
03:08 reed tomorrow?
03:08 chris we should get richard to meet us for a fishburger sometime
03:08 reed yes
03:08 chris do they make those?
03:07 chris hehe
03:07 reed w/beets and cheese and a perkynana thickshake
03:07 * chris_n will obviously have to bump the licensing thread
03:07 chris :)
03:06 reed I'll be in the office tomorrow, I'll buy
03:06 chris_n the koha.org site looks terrible
03:06 * richard wonders about the lack coordinatin between little finger and shift key
03:06 reed you need a ficshburger
03:06 chris_n ptfs needs to hire a web designer imho
03:06 chris guess im just not feeling the love this week
03:06 richard someone has to :0
03:05 chris heh
03:05 reed chris, you worry too much
03:05 chris yep, and maybe first for a change
03:05 reed it's only meaningful if others speak -- but as well and not instead of
03:04 reed one vendor is one voice tho
03:04 reed not sure I agree
03:03 chris the same way as our account of the conference call was dismissed
03:03 chris yes, but i think one of us saying it, will be dismissed
03:03 reed some will, but most don't have time and or an understanding of the nuances and why the distinction is key
03:02 chris and of course liz and the other kansasians
03:02 chris thats why i appreciate people like chris_n, and owen and lee who stand up to be counted
03:02 chris because we get dismissed, especially those of us who for a vendor
03:01 chris not just the developers
03:01 chris itd be nice if users exercised their voice a bit too
03:01 reed should vendors take a lead? I don't want someone calling us up expecting to get Harley support
03:01 chris i just hate it having to be the same old suspects always saying it
03:01 chris anyone can make a post on the koha-community website thats the point
03:00 * chris_n submits the final revision of his dependency centralization code
03:00 chris and the community is everybody
03:00 chris yes
03:00 reed so, it really does need to be the community that says "oh, hey, wait, wrong number dude"
03:00 chris yes
03:00 reed what I see is ptfs saying "here's a koha release that is community supported"
02:59 chris and thats what im sick of
02:59 chris yeah
02:59 reed it wont get said otherwise
02:59 chris thats being misrepresented
02:59 chris cos its their code
02:58 reed why?
02:58 chris im sick of us hving to be the ppl to say these things
02:58 reed ptfs clients?
02:58 chris those are the right ppl to do this
02:58 chris im not sick of them
02:58 chris some ptfs clients
02:58 reed chris, what?
02:58 reed who's the right person to do that?
02:58 chris you know what im sick of
02:58 reed anyhows, seems like there does need to be a community statement that this is an unsupported unofficial release by a private party
02:57 jo given the relationship time to warm up
02:57 chris *nod*
02:56 jo I wish they could have just made the code available and then enjoyed the warmth of a grateful community
02:56 chris its like they have a need to balance anything positive with a pile of negative
02:55 chris ptfs--
02:55 chris yep
02:55 reed me too, except for the name
02:54 chris getting the domain back would be nice, but i like koha-community.org better now anyway
02:53 reed hard to be sure
02:53 chris yep
02:53 reed you think?
02:53 reed (may english is normally better than this)
02:53 chris i think the TM would clinch it
02:52 reed there 3 tests and I think they would be able to keep it base on one of them which is loosely "has some legitimate use of the domain"
02:51 reed so, are we sure a koha.org dispute resolution try wouldn't work?
02:50 chris it would be so much better if that just pointed to the official site
02:50 richard :0
02:50 chilts and to add even more to the mix, their site _still_ sucks :)
02:50 chris mind you, thats on not the official koha site either ;)
02:50 chris *nod*
02:50 jo its noty an official koha release is what i mean
02:49 chilts jo: good idea, it needs to be clarified
02:49 chris this is old ptfs code
02:49 jo well whatever it is it isn't koha
02:49 chris there is none of lek code in it
02:49 chris its not lek jo
02:49 chilts also, Harley _isn't_ "currently maintened [sic] by a team of software providers and library technology staff from around the world"
02:49 jo like its a perfectly valid and wonderful thing - but its not Koha. its lek
02:49 chris but pretending its a koha release is the problem
02:49 chris and doing their own release is all well and good
02:49 jo shouldn't the koha release manager for 3.2 issue an official; statement clarifying what Harley is and isn't?
02:48 chris dont get me wrong there is some nice stuff in there
02:48 chris thats right
02:48 chilts that right?
02:48 chilts so their patches are from ages ago, so that's like 3.0 with some stuff, rather than wait for 3.2
02:48 chris yeah
02:48 jo maybe Kelly is some poor kid thrown in the deep end, new grad, no experience etc
02:47 chris or don't want to get it
02:47 jo I think they truly don't get it
02:47 chris also im pretty sure thats not how you spell maintained
02:46 chris instead of their own release
02:46 chris they are passing it off as a koha release
02:46 chilts not quite
02:46 chilts hmm
02:46 chilts they calling their version of Koha, Harley?
02:32 chris 'what can we do to piss off the community today'
02:32 chris its like they have a compulsion or something
02:30 richard jeepers
02:29 chris http://koha.org/
02:29 chris way to burn up your goodwill
02:29 chris ohh nice work
00:03 slef I'll accept nominations
00:03 slef tomorrow EBW?
00:02 slef yesterday scads, today asshats
00:02 robin reed: march?
00:02 reed I learn a new word everyday
00:01 slef ah, march of the asshats
00:01 chris and then we do it all again
00:01 chris who then do retarded things for the next 3 years
00:01 chris we have a history of electing property developers, or ppl who have property developers as spouses
00:00 chris probably not