Time Nick Message 23:38 chris :) 23:37 chris_n heya cn_perl_bot 23:36 chris_n success 23:31 * chris_n wonders what he's done to offend the irc server :'( 23:31 mib_2kq0s1 This is jwagner -- seems to be fine, chris_n. Must be you :-( 23:30 chris_n jwagner: how about trying this: http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=1392bed8b563d8534da6aec9288199ef&server=irc.katipo.co.nz&channel=%23koha 23:29 chris_n rtt's are nearly 400ms 23:29 jwagner chris_n, I haven't had any trouble. 23:28 chris_n three different clients time out for me when attempting to connect 23:28 Nate gnight all 23:28 chris_n is it me or is irc.katipo.co.nz timeing out in the states? 23:26 gmcharlt that's fine - those will be the easiest to straighten out 23:26 jwagner He might have pushed everything, then. 23:26 gmcharlt there are at least 7 or 8 branches that include stuff already in head when I spotchecked 23:25 jwagner Will do -- I have an internal list that's updated, and I would be referring to that when I update the bugzilla entries. 23:25 gmcharlt since I think you'll be going through all of those bugs anyway 23:25 jwagner The overall install package also includes some things that are already in head or sent. I'll have to check w/jdavidb in the morning; I _think_ the individual branches are only for the new stuff. 23:25 gmcharlt jwagner: if you wouldn't mind filling in descriptions on that wiki page as well as noting when things are already present in 3.2, that would save chris and I a lot of time 23:24 gmcharlt 4247, rather 23:24 gmcharlt like what I did with Bug4257 23:24 gmcharlt that's what the 'conflict' column is for 23:24 gmcharlt yep 23:24 gmcharlt ep 23:22 jwagner I was telling chris earlier, this includes the 4-5 features that are parallel development. Some of them I think can integrate, but at least one is going to be a real bear. 23:22 jwagner gmcharlt, nice 23:20 gmcharlt chris: possible way to keep track of integration: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFSHarleyIntegration 23:20 chris bbiab 23:20 chris ok time to make a coffee before meetings 23:11 chris we were all busy with a kohacon planning meeting, but im sure some will come :) 23:11 jwagner Thought I'd poke my head back in, in case anyone had any more questions tonight. 23:10 chris :) 23:10 jwagner Just saw the link, haven't read it yet :-) 23:09 chris jwagner: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/05/11/code-hits-the-wild/ 23:05 chris ok enough playing with the programme, someone elses turn, back to bugfixing i go 23:01 jo right - thats settled :) 23:01 chris between pukerua and paekakariki 23:01 jo oh -and the road woprks. 23:01 chris on that stupid piece of road 23:01 chris with no accidents 23:00 chris so 2 in a bus 23:00 jo of course we could :) 23:00 jo leaving wgtn at 1.30 - its 1,5 hrs to levin driving 23:00 chris we can just go out to the beach for a look 23:00 jo that whats i'm thinking 23:00 chris if we get to levin to early 23:00 jo no indeed 23:00 chris we dont want to have ppl having to power walk 23:00 jo could also stop at otaki outlet stores on main drag 23:00 chris theres a lot of walking at nga manu 22:59 chris is the low stress option 22:59 jo ice cream at lindale 22:59 chris with a stop for ice cream at lindale 22:59 chris i think taking it leisurely 22:59 jo its getting quite pricey aye 22:59 chris and run it by people at the conference 22:59 jo yep 22:59 chris id say lets leave that 22:59 jo $10 discounted rate for freedom walk at nga manu or $15 for Tui package: Visitors are welcomed and given a talk by a staff member. The talk covers aspects of Tuatara and Kiwi life cycles and unique features. This is followed by a walk to the eel feeding area and a presentation and feeding by your guide. 22:54 jo Te Hiira said he would help us with the powhiri - make sure we are left floundering :) 22:53 jo and we'll have to learn a waiata in the bus on the way 22:53 chris heh 22:53 jo better brush up your te reo my friend :) 22:53 jo when we are welcomed on to the marae 22:53 jo oh yes - you will be our alpha male in the powhiri 22:52 jo well i think we should build in a wee detour to Nga manu then :) 22:52 chris someones gotta sing my waiata 22:52 chris highly likely yes 22:52 jo on bus trip 22:52 jo to levin i mean 22:52 jo chris: you'll bring Laurel and the bambini with you yes? 22:51 chris maybe :) 22:51 jo c ould go nga manu 22:51 jo we would have tons of time heading north to levin if we left at 1.30 22:51 jo http://www.ngamanu.co.nz/visit.php 22:51 chris Bob Birchall? 22:50 chris which bob? 22:50 nengard chris bob wants to be penciled in too 22:44 nengard thanks! 22:43 russ minutes will be out in a few hours or so 22:43 jo thanks all 22:43 jo Thanks Russ 22:43 irmalibraries Thanks Russ, good meeting today. 22:42 russ i think we are sorted now 22:42 russ sorry team i have to run 22:42 slef Ironically, I'm back at my PC working for co-operative.coop now, so Koha stuff was out of my mind :) 22:42 nengard usually it's fine - unless it's a totally new topic - then i have to scramble to prepare 22:41 nengard slef no worries- i never remember what i'm talking about until the day before i have to talk 22:41 slef oh yeah, NZCA were meant to be getting back to me 22:41 nengard hehe 22:41 chris Koha: A cooperative view 22:41 slef great... I must fix my memory :) 22:41 chris you are talking about cooperatives :) 22:41 chris yep 22:40 slef cool... did I send in any title yet? 22:40 chris pencilled in anyway 22:40 chris :) 22:40 russ :-) 22:40 russ i think he is talking about when you are presenting 22:40 * slef scrollbacks 22:40 slef 9am for who and 26th of what? :) 22:40 chris 9am on the 26th slef :) 22:39 slef evening irmalibraries! 22:39 irmalibraries Good morning Slef 22:39 nengard June is crazy 22:39 nengard that's the time in between SLA & ALA 22:39 * russ makes a note of that 22:39 russ ok 22:39 nengard I'll be home on the 21st-23rd of June 22:39 russ yeah he is good like that 22:39 slef dang, missed the meeting again :-/ 22:38 nengard chris usually finds me whenever i'm online :) 22:38 russ we'd like to get i published at the beginning of july 22:38 russ just if we need to throw some ideas around etc 22:38 nengard I know - thanks Chris!! 22:38 russ chris seems to be doing a pretty good job with the programme 22:38 nengard why? 22:38 nengard if I'm not totally exhausted :) 22:38 nengard so i'll be available at nights EST 22:38 nengard 24th-30th 22:38 russ so not good then 22:37 russ ah 22:37 nengard that's ALA 22:37 russ nengard: what is your availbility like at the end of june? 22:37 chris 2pm tuesday ive pencilled in 22:37 russ nengard: thank you 22:37 irmalibraries thanks 22:37 nengard i'll include the deadline 22:37 nengard i'll put out a final call in the newsletter 22:36 chris yep there is room 22:36 russ irmalibraries: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGJjUWtHMTE2X0J0Vm5ENXlaSnJnTFE6MA ;-) 22:36 irmalibraries and register asap 22:36 irmalibraries Please keep a spot - We will co-present 22:35 jo cool. 22:35 russ jo - i am about to send them an email re sponsorship 22:35 jo would be good for the cpommunity 22:35 irmalibraries She is a librarian in Canberra and wishes to share her experience of Koha in a prison 22:35 jo I'd quite like PTFS to come down and present 22:35 chris not that ive seen 22:35 irmalibraries Chris Has Sue Lavery registered for a talk? 22:34 jo hfields19@gmail.com 22:34 nengard it's a google doc that i'll share with you 22:34 jo can someone point me towards the programme so far please 22:33 nengard I need to review the topics that have been chosen already and I'll fill in a gap 22:33 jo back until 11 22:32 chris i have you penciled in at 4pm tuesday nicole, so start thinking on what you want to talk about 22:32 nengard I will be on the road on the 16th of June, but will get an update to you all before the meeting 22:32 russ and start driving registrations 22:32 russ so we can publish it and start promoting who is speaking 22:32 russ aim to get the programme finalised by 1 July 22:32 russ next meeting is 16 June (NZ time) 22:32 chris yep 22:32 russ so to recap deadline for papers is 15 June (NZ time) 22:31 nengard what do you all need me to do 22:31 nengard sorry 22:31 nengard dinner was longer than usual 22:31 russ almost :-) 22:31 nengard did i miss the meeting?? 22:31 russ hi nicole :-) 22:31 chris yep 22:30 russ then we can start promoting who is talking etc 22:30 russ so if get the programme sorted by end of June, and confirmed for beginning of July 22:30 russ i know many people don't register until they can see what is on offer 22:30 chris we are doing pretty good on the further afield people 22:30 russ irmalibraries: i think we get into high gear on that once we have a programme 22:29 chris id hate for a conference in nz to not have a decent presence of nzers and aussies 22:29 irmalibraries What should we do to promote KohaCon and get ppl to register? 22:29 chris just htat ppl should start working their networks 22:29 chris nope 22:29 russ chris do you have anything else? 22:29 * russ makes a todo item to send out minutes today 22:28 russ cool 22:28 chris yep 22:27 russ then we know what kind of posistion we are in - if we have enough speakers or not 22:27 irmalibraries 15 June +1 22:27 russ and we can have our next meeting the day after 22:27 chris works for me 22:26 russ so how about 15 June 22:26 chris and then rearrange the programme 22:26 russ ok 22:26 chris etc 22:26 chris cos we need time to contact ppl and say, right you are up 22:26 irmalibraries Bye Jo 22:26 russ thanks jo 22:26 jo gotta go - cya 22:26 russ lol 22:26 chris lets split the diff 22:26 russ or end june 22:26 chris actually yeah mid june 22:25 chris i think yeah, end of june for papers? 22:25 jo (and Mayoral reception) 22:25 russ i was thinking 1 june 22:25 chris and others can help :) 22:25 jo ($65 pp including transport and marae visit 1.30 - 10pm confirmed ) 22:25 russ so should we call for a closing date now? 22:25 chris and list of potential papers 22:25 chris ill give access to the program 22:25 chris if ppl email an address they use with google docs 22:25 russ right - well that is sounding really good 22:24 chris i havent slotted in paul yet either 22:24 russ ok that has to change :-) 22:24 chris shes not even up once yet, neither am I :) 22:24 chris but nicole is sending out a reminder in the next newsletter 22:24 russ so nicole wont have to present 6 times :-) 22:24 irmalibraries Chris: +1 22:23 chris only 5 months away 22:23 russ chris that is great news about the programme 22:23 chris well its getting less early 22:23 chris yeah most nzers havent bothered 22:23 russ i think it is still early days in that regard 22:23 chilts heh 22:23 chilts that reminds me, I should go and register :) 22:23 chris not a huge amount Bobb 22:23 russ irmalibraries: i havent checked recently - chris or chilts might know 22:22 chris with about 4 more talks in the wings for wednesday, so we are lookgin good 22:22 chris (if ppl who said they can speak ... really can) 22:22 chris we have monday and tuesday sorted 22:22 irmalibraries Russ, BobB asks: how many people are registered for the conference now? 22:22 chris we are doing pretty well 22:22 russ over to chris for programme 22:21 russ and i'll make a page 22:21 jo yep 22:21 russ can you send me all the details of the trip and your proposed plan 22:21 russ jo i know you have to leave soon 22:21 chris re the programme 22:21 jo yep 22:20 russ some people may leave straight after the conference etc 22:20 jo ok 22:20 russ and we may only get 1 bus 22:20 jo getting an updated price 22:20 jo on phone now 22:20 russ jo: we need to have a confirmed price 22:20 russ by the time everyone gets on board etc 22:20 jo lets advertsise at approx $70 per head TBC 22:19 chris that'd work 22:19 russ and then go from there 22:19 russ meet MFC Carpark say 1:30 22:19 chris leave the morning for shopping etc 22:19 chris not the full day 22:19 russ right 22:19 jo the bus costs will be dearer then 22:19 chris i was thinking an afternoon 22:19 russ it will take a while to get people sorted, and best to miss the traffic 22:19 jo well we could change this around a bit then .... make a day of it 22:19 russ good plan 22:18 chris i was think yeah 1 or 2 22:18 chris friday dev conference starts 22:18 russ ok if that is the case, may be we will try and leave a little earlier than 3 even 22:18 chris thurs day morning do your own thing, afternoon bus trip 22:18 jo George is trying to find a sponsor for this so we can do it for free but is a bit stuck 22:18 chris monday, tues weds conference 22:18 russ cool 22:18 chris yeah 22:17 russ chris: so after the conference itself? 22:17 chris we can always stop at lindale for icecream 22:17 jo 3pm is fine 22:17 jo Thursday is fine. 22:17 chris im looking at thursday for that 22:17 russ otherwise we wont get there until very late 22:17 chris yeah 22:17 russ jo - we will have to leave earlier than 4 22:17 jo 3pm then :) 22:17 irmalibraries Good value imho 22:17 jo good opportunity for conference attendees 22:17 chris up the coast at 4pm ... eek :) 22:17 russ and i will make a page on the site 22:17 russ jo - can you send me all the details via email please 22:17 jo It will be cool - driving up the coast at say 4pm, nice scenery, see levin, marae visit 22:16 irmalibraries Discount for Au and US dollars, of course 22:16 jo I think so, trying to get confoirmation that the recepotion will be free 22:16 russ so $25 for bus + $35 for dinner = $65 all up for the trip? 22:15 jo the mayoral recption at council is all good - had a letter from the mayor 22:15 jo this will be around $35 per head 22:15 russ ok cool - so we should put some information up about that then 22:15 jo local Iwi have agreed to host us out at the marae for an evening meal, preceded by a formal welcome / powhiri 22:14 jo $720 a bus for 49 people ish 22:14 chris re the programme i have been plugging stuff into the spreadsheet 22:14 chilts though chris has been keeping on top of it I think 22:14 jo the bus cost for return transport wellington - levin is about $22 - $25 a head (based on 100 people) 22:14 chilts sponsors even 22:14 chilts russ: I've been helping Chris get the sponsorts logos up, so anymore to be added, send the logos my way :) 22:14 russ all good 22:14 jo sorry forbeing pushy 22:13 russ ok jo, nicole hasnt shown yet so lets jump to that 22:13 russ ok so action point is to tidy up the sponsors logos and make a page 22:13 jo (for the agenda: i have info about trip up to leving for mayoral reception / marae visit) 22:13 richard sorry had a phone call - Richard Anderson - Katipo 22:13 irmalibraries cheers Mason 22:13 jo I've got 15 mins left 22:13 mason ill catch up with russ later, bye all 22:13 russ cya mason 22:12 jo cya Mason 22:12 mason sorry folks , im running very late for a train to kapiti 22:12 russ their names are on the site 22:12 chris libriotech are on the frontpage 22:12 jo cool :) 22:12 chris they are up 22:12 russ i'll do a sponsors page sometime soon listing everyone 22:11 jo wow - can't we put their name up or something? 22:11 russ :-) 22:11 * chris notes for the log 22:11 chris (+bywater and biblibre) 22:11 chris who don't have a logo, but contributed all the way from norway even though they can't make it 22:11 russ i am not sure if there is much more to add on that topic 22:10 chris we mustnt forget libriotech also 22:10 russ fingers need more coffee 22:10 russ yep thanks to Calyz and Xercode as well for coming on board since our last meeting 22:09 chilts catalyst ... and others :) 22:09 mason yay catalyst 22:09 russ i am still waiting to hear back from a couple of other places, but all good there 22:09 jo I do believe Calyx also contrubuted :) 22:09 irmalibraries +1 catalyst! 22:09 russ so chris and i won't have to dip into our piggy banks :-) 22:08 jo thank you for getting that commitment Russ. Trustees grateful :) 22:08 russ s/venuw/venue 22:08 russ Catalyst have confirmed that they will sponsor the conference, and with that amount we have all the funds for the venuw 22:07 russ so Sponsorship 22:07 russ but our 2 topics today are sponsorship and programme updates 22:07 mason hi all 22:07 * mason -> KohaAloha, NZ 22:07 jo apology accepted :) 22:07 russ been flat out here and moving house etc etc 22:06 russ first up - apologies, i didnt get round to the minutes of the last meeting or doing much of late 22:06 russ thanks all for turning up moving on 22:06 irmalibraries BobB has a tech issue but is sitting in with irmalibraries 22:05 russ heh we could almost have this meeting at the water cooler then ;-) 22:05 * larsw Lars Wirzenius, Catalyst IT 22:04 chris Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT 22:04 jo Joann Ransom - HLT 22:04 * chilts Andrew Chilton, Catalyst IT 22:04 russ it is logged 22:04 russ no main channel 22:04 jo or t ake kohacon to another channel? 22:04 joetho *wish 22:04 * russ - Russel Garlick, Catalyst 22:04 joetho which I was going. 22:04 joetho ...see main koha listserv for more 22:04 russ Who is here for the meeting? 22:03 russ KohaCon10 Volunteers meeting starting - sorry folks can we take over the channel for 30 mins or so 22:03 joetho "LibLime has made available a tested, stable release of Koha for immediate download at http://koha.org/download. " 22:03 chris ) 22:03 chris (for irmalibraries 22:03 russ all good we will get started then 22:03 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/05/11/code-hits-the-wild/ 22:03 jo training for 3.2 go live on 27 may 22:03 jo I need to offer apologies for leaving early - 10.30 22:02 irmalibraries ho Jo 22:02 joetho I will quote a few key lines from the listserv email 22:02 jo hi guys. 22:02 irmalibraries What is the "Excellent news"? pls 22:02 joetho But the best part is PTFS cooperating with the community. 22:01 chris no new features tho 22:01 chris joetho: bug fixes tho, its possible to pull them in 22:01 mason i thought i had missed this meeting, happy i didnt 22:01 joetho probably too late for 3.2, unless there are some very specific overlaps in development, which seems unlikely. 22:01 russ hiya mason 22:00 mason heya russ, long time - old buddy :) 22:00 joetho Excellent news! 22:00 joetho I just got an email from PTFS, mentioning 3.2. 22:00 irmalibraries Irma from CALYX - G'day all! 22:00 richard cool 21:59 russ just giving nicole a few more mins, then we will start 21:59 mason ive got to get a kapiti-train in 15 mins 21:59 chris so yes 21:59 chris its gplv2 or later .. the same as everything else is genji 21:58 * mason waves 21:58 genji does gpl2 allow us to bring the code back into head, and make it gpl3? 21:58 chilts so it looks like they are aiming for inclusion in 3.4 21:58 genji gpl2. 21:58 russ kohdcon volunteers meeting will start in 2 mins 21:56 larsw ptfs++ in that case 21:53 jo I'm really impressed with PTFS for doing that :) 21:53 chris just like the rest of koha is currently 21:53 jo its the path to wards getting the fork incorporated back into the trunk again. 21:53 chris gplv2 or later 21:52 genji its released under GPLv3? 21:52 chilts that is great news! 21:52 jo and the best news for the Koha community 21:52 jo huge even :) 21:52 jo that is a hige step for PTFS 21:51 jo imagine, not to far down the track, Koha code could once again incorporate all the development that other Koha libraries contracted through LL 21:51 cait its not llek, but the features ptfs developed 21:51 cait no 21:51 genji this is LEK? 21:51 jo yep :) 21:51 genji wow.. PTFS released code! 21:51 jo so with PTFS code now inthe wild isn't that fantastic news for Koha? 21:45 cait chris: dont know... 21:44 chris genji: it shouldnt be hard, if its a standard 3.0.5 21:44 chris why do marketing ppl have to ruin it all 21:42 genji how difficult is it to go from 3.0.5 to 3.2? 21:39 chris :) 21:38 cait I love to have my own koha at work now, makes my life much easier (testing patches and perhaps writing some more patches soon :) ) 21:37 cait sleep well 21:37 chris sleep well 21:37 * jwagner is going to go home too, and go to bed early.... 21:36 cait bye jdavidb 21:36 cait I wrote a lot of bug reports today... *ducks* 21:36 jdavidb I'm off to catch my bus. Y'all have a good evening. 21:35 * chris looks at everyone including himself 21:35 chris so we can get it released :) 21:35 chris the best help now, is fixing 3.2 blockers 21:35 cait we will all try to help you :) 21:35 chris as soon as i can manage :) 21:34 chris and on to 3.4 soon after 21:34 cait cant wait :) 21:34 chris so you will got to 3.2 when its released 21:34 chris yeah you are already 3.1.ish 21:34 cait I think we are most people then, running 3.01.61 in production right now 21:34 * chris_n agrees 21:33 chris but it is important we provide an upgrade path for ptfs customers also 21:33 jdavidb (since those features would disappear when you went to 3.2.) 21:33 chris cait: for most ppl they will got 3.0.x to 3.2.x to 3.4.x 21:33 jdavidb 3.0.x - harley - 3.2 will be tricky, but if you don't use some of the new geekery in harley that changes data structures, you should be okay. 21:33 cait but where does 3.2 fit in there? 21:32 jdavidb 3.0.x - harley - 3.4 should be a snap, depending on chris's work.. 21:32 cait sorry, should really sleep, but cant sleep now... 21:32 cait upgrade path from where to where? 21:31 jdavidb The "did you mean" feature is a little raw, but it functions; dbirmingham here is going to be adding a syspref so you select how many suggestions to get (or zero, to turn it off). 21:30 jwagner And there's one big new Perl dependency -- the Aspell library 21:30 * gmcharlt concurs with chris, particularly regarding C4;:Search and C4::Languages 21:30 jdavidb We didn't touch C4::Languages at all. There are some areas of overlap--notices, C4::Letters, in particular, and granular permissions will need some reconciliation. 21:29 chris the rest id love to have 21:29 chris are the ones id die in a ditch on 21:29 chris C4::Search, C4::Languages, and DBIx::Class 21:29 jdavidb chris: depends. We didn't do much to C4::Search, for instance, which I know was one of your big rocks. Might be able to get there without too much pain and suffering. 21:28 chris but thats a good topic for the next irc meeting :) 21:28 chris which means some of the refactoring is gonna have to slide 21:28 jdavidb to 3.4 will be easy. 3.2 should not be *too* hard. 21:27 chris its a bit late for 3.2 21:27 jdavidb Just given the data struct changes, 3.0.x - 21:27 chris probably to 3.4 21:27 chris yeah we are going to have to create an upgrade path 21:27 jdavidb Pretty much, if a bug was found by one of our customers, and a fix was in HEAD that wasn't in HEAD prior to Oct 12, I cherry-picked it. if someone sent a patch to the list, that hadn't made head, I snagged it and git-am'd it. 21:26 jwagner That's where we need to work with Galen & Chris. 21:26 cait but when you run harley, you cant update to 3.2 easily I think or 3.4 21:26 jwagner jdavidb knows better than I do about the bug fixes. 21:25 jwagner We did cherry-pick a lot of bug fixes, most of which aren't mentioned in the release notes. Things like chris_n's followup patches for the label creator, etc. 21:25 cait perhaps we could try and hurry up a bit with 3.4? :) 21:24 chris_n jdavidb++ 21:24 chris_n jwagner++ 21:24 chris_n wow! ptfs++ 21:24 jwagner Just remember that the install version is based off the .061 code level so it won't have any of the 3.2 stuff. 21:24 jdavidb press release is up, at http://www.liblime.com/news/liblime-a-division-of-ptfs-announces-201charley201d-a-new-stable-release-of-koha-available-for-immediate-download 21:24 cait jwagner: really needed :) 21:24 gmcharlt joetho: not if we want to see 3.2 come out this year 21:24 jwagner But you'll note that we did set this up as a full install version as well as the individual branches. 21:24 joetho maybe we could make an exception? 21:24 * jwagner sends cait a boatload of patience :-) 21:23 cait *sigh* 21:23 cait every time I hear about a new feature i want it immediately. now i have to wati for 50.... 21:23 joetho this is marvelous 21:23 cait me too 21:23 * jwagner REALLY wishes we could have made the 3.2 code freeze.... 21:22 jwagner It just took us a lot longer than we would have liked to get them all tidied up & ready to go. 21:22 jwagner This is definitely official. We have committed all along to releasing these features. 21:22 jdavidb What, for tossing all those branches over the wall? nope. Someone at the hgher-up owes me happy hour. 21:22 cait its already on koha.org too :) 21:22 cait why should he be fired? i think this is official 21:22 paul_p joetho, doing what ? releasing their code? for sure, he's been asked by his bosses to do so ! 21:21 joetho I just hope jdavid doesn't get fired for doing that 21:20 munin joetho: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 91 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 91. 21:20 joetho @karma wizzyrea 21:20 munin joetho: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26. 21:20 joetho @karma jdavidb 21:20 mason meh, rdl's box has hung... 21:17 chris cool 21:15 jdavidb (looks like someone typoed the FAQ link; a comma snuck in. I'll ping 'em, but make that a period, and it works. 21:14 jdavidb Links to a FAQ, a download tarball, the release notes, and a reminder link to github are now up at http://www.liblime.com/downloads 21:14 cait bye wizzyrea 21:14 wizzyrea ok, taking my girlie self to do girlie things. ttyl everyone 21:11 jdavidb jwagner writes good release notes, doesn't she? Those are (all but one little paragraph) off her bat, not mine. 21:11 cait worth all the chocolate ;) 21:11 cait its awesome 21:11 wizzyrea it's obvious :) 21:10 jwagner wizzyrea, I could _use_ rousing. And so could jdavidb. A lot of overtime put into these features over the last year. 21:09 cait I will not finish this jsp homework today, becaue need to read release notes... 21:09 wizzyrea only 6 behind jdavidb ;) 21:09 jdavidb Thanks, everyone. 21:09 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26. 21:09 jdavidb @karma jdavidb 21:09 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 32 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 32. 21:09 jdavidb @karma jwagner 21:08 wizzyrea well, as friendly as github gets 21:07 paul_p jdavidb++ 21:07 wizzyrea it's pretty friendly 21:07 paul_p jwagner++ 21:07 paul_p jwagner+= 21:07 * cait sends some more chocolate 21:07 wizzyrea that 2nd one goes straight to the PDF 21:07 * wizzyrea highfives jwagner 21:06 wizzyrea we roused her! 21:06 cait hi jwagner 21:06 wizzyrea Ah! There she is! 21:06 jwagner We'll soon have a more user-friendly link to the release notes up. 21:06 paul_p ptfs++ 21:06 cait thx! 21:06 chris last commit there 21:06 gmcharlt ptfs++ # good start 21:06 wizzyrea http://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS/blob/harley/HarleyReleaseNotes.pdf 21:06 chris cait: http://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS/commits/harley 21:06 gmcharlt jwagner++ 21:06 gmcharlt jdavidb++ 21:06 gmcharlt and yes 21:05 cait liz, where are these release notes? github confuses me 21:05 jdavidb There are quite a few nifty-nice-but-not-too-huge features--useful buttons and shortcuts--as well as some huge new features like item suppression in the OPAC and suspend-and-resume holds. 21:05 gmcharlt chris: jdavidb: yep, already on it 21:05 wizzyrea jdavidb, please tell your superiors thanks, it's really great to see your stuff 21:05 chris and gmcharlt might want to grab some bug fixes :) 21:05 chris (for features) 21:04 chris i might do some topic branches for 3.4 21:04 chris sweet 21:04 jdavidb (In other words, if you see something you want to haul to master and get into 3.4--or even 3.2, gmcharlt--grab that ball and run with it.) 21:03 jdavidb We'll see where the honchos wanna go from here; Getting those branches up to master level shouldn't be overly hard; I've kept them all as tidy as I could. 21:03 wizzyrea hehe 21:03 * cait wants to be as brave as liz ;) 21:03 chris i guess rebasing onto master is the next step? Sing out if you want a hand with that, hdl have a bunch of practice cherry-picking 21:03 cait jdavidb++ jwagner++ ptfs++ ;) 21:02 wizzyrea jwagner++ 21:02 jdavidb jwagner++ 21:02 chris sweet 21:02 jdavidb thanks, Chris, but it wasn't just me. There should be some detail description stuff coming out in a PR shortly, but a lotta work went into what you're seein' there. 21:02 wizzyrea jdavidb++ 21:02 wizzyrea ptfs++ 21:02 * wizzyrea wonders if she dares... 21:01 wizzyrea we've been looking over the release notes, there's some good stuff in there 21:01 * chris updates his clones 21:01 chris jdavidb++ 21:01 chris w00t 21:01 * jdavidb looks up from the bleeding stubs of his fingers, and nods. 21:01 wizzyrea !!! 21:00 chris ptfs have just pushed a whole pile of things to their public repo !!! 20:59 chris wow, my rss reader just went mental 20:59 chris thanks hdl_laptop 20:59 hdl_laptop hopefully all wil be ok tomorrow 20:58 hdl_laptop But he was ill today 20:58 hdl_laptop I asked nahuel to see that. 20:58 hdl_laptop chris slef gmcharlt sorry about the list shortage 20:25 chris_n wb paul_p 20:16 cait chris_n++ 20:11 chris_n np 20:11 mib_98t2xr O.K. guys. Thanks again. You guys are the best! 20:10 chris_n nope, you can safely ignore that error 20:10 mib_98t2xr i.e. real "stuff doesn't work" errors as opposed to errors showing up in logs. 20:10 mib_98t2xr I realize that's pretty far back. Do you think an old platform might have practical implications? 20:08 mib_98t2xr 8.04.2 20:08 chris_n what version of ubuntu? 20:07 chris_n it appears that your apache is not returning a version number via 'httpd -v' 20:07 mib_98t2xr Ubuntu 20:07 chris_n what platform are you running on? 20:06 mib_98t2xr No need for apologies, you guys are helping me. I'm grateful. 20:05 cait ah, sorry 20:05 mib_98t2xr "The koha/apache error log says: [Mon May 10 15:12:42 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Mon May 10 15:12:42 2010] about.pl: Can't exec "httpd2": No such file or directory at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/about.pl line 49., referer: http://hslcat.med.nyu.edu:8080/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl" 20:05 chris_n we don't know what the "new error message" is 20:04 mib_98t2xr O.K. any idea about the new error message I get in the logs when I click on the about page? 20:04 chris_n alpha2 is .133 20:04 cait you can give the number 3.01.00.111 20:04 chris_n mib_98t2xr: .111 is alpha 20:04 wizzyrea ^^ 20:03 cait alpha2 ;) 20:03 mib_98t2xr I'm asking about how I tell people what version I have. Right now I know I've got the 3.02 alpha, but the in system documentatation (i.e. the about page) says something else 20:02 chris_n ahh... alpha 20:02 cait ah, thx chris_n :) 20:02 chris_n mib_98t2xr: what version did you have before the upgrade? 20:02 cait not sure what you ask 20:01 mib_98t2xr O.K. So how am I to distinguish the version I currently have from the version I had before the upgrade? 20:00 cait yes, its 01 until release, .03 will be development for 3.4 and so on 19:59 mib_98t2xr So http://koha-community.org/category/alpha/ is suppose to list itself as 3.01? 19:59 cait once 3.2 is released the number will be 3.02.00.00 19:58 cait mib-98t2xr: there is no 3.02 yet, because its not released. 3.01 is correct 19:57 mib_98t2xr I click on "About Koha" 19:57 mib_98t2xr ce? 2) why don't they both say 3.02.00.xxx? Here's something. The koha/apache error log says: [Mon May 10 15:12:42 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Mon May 10 15:12:42 2010] about.pl: Can't exec "httpd2": No such file or directory at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/about.pl line 49., referer: http://hslcat.med.nyu.edu:8080/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl when 19:56 mib_98t2xr I just ran the "upgrade" from koha-3.02.00-alpha, { perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log make make test sudo make upgrade } and now both the install log and the about koha page agree: 3.01.00.111 Not exactally the result I was hoping for. Does anybody know 1) how could the two have gotten out of sync in the first pl 19:55 mib_98t2xr Hi folks 19:45 owen All done, folks, see you later 19:35 slef well, maybe a little ;-) 19:35 slef No, I wasn't joking: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/musical-geek-friday-god-wrote-in-lisp-eternal-flame/ 19:35 jdavidb Actually, perl: http://xkcd.com/224/ 19:34 chris prolog i thought 19:33 slef owen: god writes in Lisp code. 19:25 zico wizzyrea: when i import it in csv, i got some "symbols" instead of Bangla language 19:24 wizzyrea word/openoffice 19:24 wizzyrea zico: could you export them to csv and then do some kind of merge with word to get your labels? 19:23 chris so exploring other options is the alternative 19:23 chris_n yup 19:23 chris what i was trying to say, the chances of someone getting it to work for 3.0.5 are zero to none 19:23 chris_n I pointed someone the other day (maybe zico) to an list thread that sums it up 19:22 chris yep 19:22 chris_n chris: its not strictly a koha-barcode utf8 issue; it is also a pdf standards issue 19:21 chris the barcode is just lines 19:21 chris what i meant is, it is the spine label that needs to be able to be generated in unicode 19:21 nengard big time! :) 19:21 chris wow, grammar fail 19:21 chris well its not the barcode itself, its the spine lable, ie the barcode doesnt is just some lines 19:19 wizzyrea http://www.softmatic.com/ 19:19 wizzyrea would something like this work? 19:17 zico wizzyrea: i need to print unicode barcode generated by koha 19:14 wizzyrea_away ok... the problem is that you need to print unicode barcodes on windows, ones that have or have not been generated by koha? 19:12 zico chris: virtualbox + kbarcode??? owaoo!!! it`s too high for that non-techy guy!!! :D 19:08 chris firing up virtualbox with linux on it, and kbarcode would probably be the best bet 19:08 chris its very unlikely that anyone can back port the barcode work to 3.0.5 (or would have time to) 19:07 chris does the barcode printer in master handle unicode? does anyone know? 19:05 zico but, our library officer is running windows 19:05 zico chris_n: kbarcode is based on KDE 19:05 zico Now, some professors are really giving a bad look at me & my team 19:04 chris_n zico: did you check out kbarcode? 19:04 zico i have more than 10,000 books in Bangla 19:04 zico i mean, i need to print barcode in Bangla ( Bangladesh ). but, this is not working 19:04 zico my koha-3.0.5 cannot print unicode barcode label 19:03 owen Hm, so Perl > PHP > JSP ? I wonder how the rest of the hierarchy goes 19:03 zico i need your help very badly guys 19:03 zico hi 19:01 slef chris++ 18:58 chris thats even worse 18:58 cait javaserver pages homework... 18:43 gmcharlt my condolences 18:43 slef for now, I'm hacking PHP :-( 18:42 slef I'll mention it next time we see them 18:42 gmcharlt sounds like a good idea - I hope biblibre picks up on it 18:41 slef but the main thing is we're sysadmins and we're in Europe where I think lists is, so we should notice and react fairly quick to alerts 18:40 slef gmcharlt: the core is nagios3. 18:40 gmcharlt slef: what do you use for monitoring? 18:39 slef although we don't have much spare hosting capacity just now, I think we could add it to our monitoring setup if we had access 18:38 slef well, if anyone would like our sysadmins to help, let me know and I'll send ssh public keys 18:37 chris i think they are aware of it, i emailed and hdl said he saw my email 18:36 nengard nope 18:36 slef anyone got a support number for biblibre? nengard? 18:35 chris someone has jammed the tubes 18:34 chris so its queued up somewhere, behind a cork 18:34 chris mail is not bouncing 18:34 chris yeah, all @lists seems to be 18:34 gmcharlt koha-patches also seems to be one of the victims of the mailing list outage 18:30 chris walter is planning to talk about koha + kete at kohacon 18:29 chris so with pazpar2 and a bit of hackery, you can search koha and kete simultaneously and group the results 18:29 chris Lee: kete uses zebra too 18:24 owen Hi jdavidb 18:23 slef Someone mentioned http://www.joindiaspora.com to me as a forthcoming FB-alternative. 18:23 chris owen: its in unstable, it *might* isntall if you grab the .deb and sudo dpkg -i it on 18:22 jwagner The dog ate my patch? 18:18 chris_n hehe 18:16 * owen would add all kinds of excuses to his unfixed bugs 18:13 * owen is amused by the "excuses" column in that table 18:13 chris_n you'll have to get it from cpan for now owen 18:12 chris http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=lars%40catalyst.net.nz&comaint=yes 18:12 chris will be soon 18:12 owen No output at all from the apt-cache command 18:11 * chris_n seems to remember you have to cpan that one however 18:11 chris_n owen: try apt-cache search Text::CSV::Encoded 18:11 owen apt-get doesn't find libtext-csv-encoded-perl 18:10 owen Okay, another one: Text/CSV/Encoded.pm. 18:09 Lee I want to get all our records linked and searchable with Koha or possibly Kete 18:08 Lee http://www.buttearchives.org/collections.php 18:07 Lee http://www.miningmuseum.org/ 18:06 Lee we have a HUGE archive in town too 18:06 Lee yeah I was thinking about Kete 18:06 gmcharlt are the images on display already? if not sounds like it might be a job for kete as well 18:06 Lee although some day DC would be helpful for the 3d objects, eh? 18:05 Lee TIF anf jpeg 18:05 Lee mostly all images 18:05 Lee its an IMLS grant 18:05 gmcharlt records for their books, or records for their "stuff"? 18:05 Lee you get the idea 18:04 Lee hence undiscoverable 18:04 Lee as is 18:04 Lee their records are unsearchable 18:04 Lee we are co-opting with a local museum to add them as a branch to our opac 18:03 chris we are actually using it to convert a db, but its general enough that it should be useful for anyone thats the idea 18:03 Lee naturally 18:03 chris yep, this script will free software of course 18:02 Lee maybe...with a little assistance 18:02 gmcharlt and MarcEdit can do CSV to MARC, I believe 18:02 Lee ;) 18:02 chris i meant robin is working on a script, so you can do it into MARCXML yourself :) 18:02 gmcharlt # records + sample of what the source data looks like + idea of what the records will be used for after they're converted 18:01 Lee if i give the # of records think I could get an estimate? 18:00 chris too late 18:00 Lee great! its a paying gig 18:00 chris its already mostly done 18:00 chris Lee: robin at catalyst is working on one to do csv (extending to tab would be trivial) 17:59 Lee I am working on a grant to migrate xl tab delimited files into Marc XML or DC anyone out there interested? 17:59 nengard not that i sent anything - just that i'm not getting anything 17:59 nengard okay - same here 17:58 chris nengard: ive sent bunches, it hasn't come through 17:58 owen Oh, I didn't realize it was consistent 17:58 gmcharlt if it's packaged for Debian 17:58 gmcharlt perl module Foo::Bar will almost always be libfoo-bar-perl 17:57 gmcharlt owen: ah, but you can 17:57 owen Thanks gmcharlt, I don't think I would have guessed that off the top of my head ;) 17:57 gmcharlt owen: libmarc-crosswalk-dublincore-perl 17:56 owen "Can't locate MARC/Crosswalk/DublinCore.pm in @INC" Anyone know if that is something I can apt-get? 17:56 nengard chris - mail to send to devel? or mail that came through? I haven't gotten any yet today 17:55 nengard i get too much out of FB (like jobs) - but it is very scary and I think I'll be making some major profile edits 17:52 chris i have a bunch of mail for koha-devel too 17:52 * owen would really like to be receiving bug emails again 17:50 chris yes, in about 4 hours 17:45 Lee there is a volunteer irc meeting today ...right? 17:44 Lee hey brendan! 17:43 Lee my life is pretty boring- but I do hate the targeted marketing 17:43 Lee hmm 17:41 owen it's getting pretty scary... I'm still on the fence about whether the social connections are worth it 17:41 chris been there done that 17:35 Lee hey Liz are you really dumping FB? 17:34 cait hi #koha 17:31 wizzyrea_away oh one sec, i think I'm pulling from the wrong repo 17:29 wizzyrea_away hey lee 17:28 brendan hi Lee 17:23 Lee hey Nicole and Liz 17:23 nengard hi Lee 17:23 nengard wizzyrea did you say that the manual auto updates on sundays? my content from last week isn't showing on the web version of the manual today 17:22 JavierFM owen??? 17:21 JavierFM owen, sorry my friend did you know where i can make friens 17:19 owen This channel is not a social gathering, it is a place for discussing use and development of Koha 17:18 JavierFM but I just want to talk!!! 17:18 JavierFM no 17:18 owen Do you have a question JavierFM ? 17:17 JavierFM somebody want talk?? 17:17 JavierFM hello 17:14 JavierFM brendan nos conocemos?? 17:12 javier hello 17:06 slef bah, another "shut up and code" email about listings requiring solidarity and linkback 16:43 kf ok, time to leave for me - bye #koha! 16:39 kf :) 16:39 kf thx for fixing the link 16:38 kf even for school books 16:38 owen I guess I would assume that we're using the right source if you're happy with the results. 16:38 kf owen: but we have covers for German titles in our catalog 16:38 kf owen: dont know if I would see more covers with those services 16:19 * owen notices amazon.fr and amazon.de seem to use "ecx.images-amazon.com" as a source for their covers... 16:19 kf covers are perfect and link is to .de 16:19 kf sorry, meeting, will read back later 16:19 owen kf: Do you get good cover image results normally? I'm curious, because any results you get are from images.amazon.com. 16:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4475 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, AmazonLocale not used consistently 16:18 owen kf: Regarding Bug 4475, I notice there doesn't seem to be a "http://images.amazon.de" as there is a "http://images.amazon.com" I'm not sure how that affects non-US users 16:00 owen hdl_laptop: Do you know anything about the mailing list problems? 15:59 munin rhcl: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Staid \Staid\ (st[=a]d), imp. & p. p. of {Stay}. [1913 Webster]; wn: staid adj : characterized by dignity and propriety [syn: {sedate}]; gcide: Staid \Staid\, a. [From {Stay} to stop.] Sober; grave; steady; sedate; composed; regular; not wild, volatile, flighty, or fanciful. "Sober and staid persons." --Addison. [1913 Webster] O'erlaid with black, staid (8 more messages) 15:59 rhcl @dict staid 15:52 sekjal looks like ' and available' is being tacked on to the end of the ccl query, and it's left to Zebra to know what that means 15:50 sekjal then that section of buildQuery() was commented out, and 'available' was dealt with less explicitly 15:49 munin slef: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: carangid \carangid\ n. any fish of the family {Carangidae}, including the {cavallas}, {jacks}, {pompanos} and {scads}. [WordNet 1.5]; wn: scads n : a large number or amount; "made lots of new friends"; "she amassed a mountain of newspapers" [syn: {tons}, {dozens}, {heaps}, {lots}, {mountain}, {piles}, {scores}, {stacks}, {loads}, {rafts}, {slews}, {wads}, (3 more messages) 15:49 slef @dict scads 15:49 sekjal owen: until Nov 9, 2009, it was defined as items.onloan is NULL AND items.itemslost = 0 15:49 munin rhcl: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: copse n : a dense growth of bushes [syn: {brush}, {brushwood}, {coppice}, {thicket}]; gcide: Copse \Copse\, v. t. 1. To trim or cut; -- said of small trees, brushwood, tufts of grass, etc. --Halliwell. [1913 Webster] 2. To plant and preserve, as a copse. --Swift. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Copse \Copse\, n. [Contr. from coppice.] A wood of small growth; a (2 more messages) 15:49 rhcl @dict copse 15:49 munin rhcl: Error: "dick" is not a valid command. 15:49 rhcl @dick copse 15:48 owen Anyway... sekjal: any luck understanding Koha's definition of 'available' ? 15:47 owen But I'm surprised by the "(US)". US-specific? 15:47 owen the Wiktionary definition is much simpler: (US) A large number. 15:45 chris_n copse is a new one on me 15:45 chris_n gobs... hehe 15:45 kf always get to learn new words here :) 15:45 chris_n yes 'a lot' 15:45 chris_n batch, bunch, etc 15:45 chris_n kf: see the Moby Thasaurus words there 15:44 kf a lot? 15:44 munin chris_n: n. [See {Slough} a wet place.] A wet place; a river inlet. The praire round about is wet, at times almost marshy, especially at the borders of the great reedy slews. --T. Roosevelt. [Webster 1913 Suppl.]; moby-thes: 55 Moby Thesaurus words for "slew": batch, bunch, clump, cluster, considerable, copse, crop, deal, gobs, good deal, great deal, group, grouping, groupment, grove, hassock, heap, heaps, (6 more messages) 15:44 chris_n @more 15:44 munin chris_n: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: slew See {slay}; gcide: Slew \Slew\, imp. of {Slay}. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Slew \Slew\, v. t. See {Slue}. [1913 Webster]; wn: slay v : kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered" [syn: {murder}, {hit}, {dispatch}, {bump off}, {polish off}, {remove}] [also: {slew}, {slain}]; gcide: Slew \Slew\ (sl[=oo]), (7 more messages) 15:44 chris_n @dict slew 15:44 * kf goes to look up slew 15:43 kf nengard: not on irc so far 15:43 owen I've gotten some, but not a slew 15:43 wizzyrea_away i've gotten a slew today 15:43 nengard any word on the koha emails that aren't coming through? 15:43 owen http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-May/023776.html 15:43 kf I imported records without items, so had to manually add them 15:42 kf no migration 15:42 kf I added ths items 15:42 kf owen: no, can you point me to it? 15:42 owen I tried chris's suggestion to run misc/migration/fix_onloan.pl 15:41 * owen didn't realize the problem was in HEAD 15:41 owen kf: Did you see that there is a discussion of this issue on the mailing list? 15:39 sekjal what a coincidence, I was just reading the code surrounding "limit to available" 15:39 owen My test: Initial search: 249 results. Limited to available: zero results 15:38 kf I think my result should be record A? 15:38 kf I have 3 items, record A: available, checked out, record B: checked out 15:37 kf yes 15:37 owen kf: By clicking "limit to currently available items" in the OPAC search results? 15:36 kf :( can someone test limit to currently available? 15:35 kf I answered your mail about amazon on the mailing list - no Amazon reviews 15:34 nengard or :) 15:34 nengard thanks :() 15:34 kf wb nengard 15:28 jwagner Hi, hdl_laptop 15:26 hdl_laptop hi jwagner 15:09 kf owen: thx for your help and sorry, had to show one of our libraries how to catalog fast adds :) 15:08 kf owen: I will reply to nicole's mail 14:48 kf be back in a few minutes 14:47 kf netviewer training mom 14:47 owen However, I'm starting to look like I'm in the minority 14:46 owen Sorry kf, I can't imagine what is different about my system that would make it work for me when yours and nengard's are not 14:40 kf Locale is DE, all other settings are 1, except AmazonAssocTag which is empty 14:39 kf you showed me how to open the old syspref editor some time ago :) 14:39 kf and in the new 14:39 kf but I checked in the old syspref editor 14:39 kf testing your sql now 14:38 kf owen: found none 14:38 owen ? 14:38 owen ...and "OPACAmazonEnabled | 1" 14:37 owen kf if you "select variable,value from systempreferences where variable like '%Amazon%'" do you see "OPACAmazonReviews | 1" 14:33 owen No "similar items" either kf? 14:32 kf owen: not sure what to do about the reviews :( my installation is a fresh isntallation from head from about a week ago. I see no difference in the settings between my 3.0.61 and the 3.2. Only that no reviews show 14:21 gmcharlt nahuel: oops, disregard, wrong list 14:20 owen slef: Mailing list problems all around since Friday 14:20 slef did I send a koha list email from wrong domain? :-/ 14:19 kf have you set all three private, accesskey and AmazonAssocTag? 14:18 gmcharlt nahuel: could you unstick my latest koha ML email? 14:18 owen Hi wizzyrea 14:18 wizzyrea good morning. 14:18 owen I have OPACAmazonEnabled, OPACAmazonCoverImages , OPACAmazonSimilarItems , and OPACAmazonReviews all on and working 14:17 kf have you activated all amazon content? 14:17 kf so what is nengard's and my problem? 14:17 kf oooh 14:17 owen kf: Works for me :| 14:15 kf Im adding a bug for amazon reviews not working, I compared 3.1.61 and current head, got reviews in 3.1, no reviews for the same titles and same configuration in head 14:01 kf owen: have you checked with staff? I think there is a better error message 14:00 owen I guess there needs to be a "you are not permitted to place holds" message for the OPAC and a condition set up to catch that situation 13:59 owen I notice that when I was allowed zero holds the message said "none of these items can be placed on hold" but when I exceed my holds limit it explains that I've exceeded that limit 13:55 gmcharlt I think the deeper UI issue is that there's no easy way for library staff to readily determine exactly why an item is non-holdable without deep familiarity of Koha's hold policy configuration 13:54 kf gmcharlt: ok :) 13:53 kmkale 'amount' => sprintf("%.2f",$accts->[$i]{'amount'}) 13:53 kmkale when I am printing fee receipts is there a easy way to change / remove the - sign that appears in front of the amount? 13:42 gmcharlt if you don't allow holds, default 0 is better 13:42 gmcharlt if you allow holds, default unlimited is better 13:42 gmcharlt depends on the type of library you run 13:41 kf ? 13:41 kf what do you think - is this a usability bugß 13:41 owen You're right kf, I had my circ policy messed up from testing another bug 13:36 kf I considered writing a bug report for this... because its confusing. max checkouts defaults to 'no limit' when empty 13:35 kf I had this problem and it was because maxreserves in smart rules defaults to 0 13:35 kf ah check your circulation rules 13:33 owen The OPAC says "none of these items can be placed on hold," but all are available 13:33 owen What is it with holds in HEAD? There always seems to be something.... 13:31 kf gmcharlt: done 13:30 gmcharlt 4208, even 13:30 gmcharlt kf: you can close 208 13:27 kf is there a bug report? I also noticed the amazonlocale is not used everywhere, still investigating, but perhaps part of my problem (no reviews in English, but in German) 13:25 owen kf: Last I heard her problem wasn't resolved yet 13:24 kf ah, she is gone teaching her webinar 13:24 kf nengard: have you solved your problem with amazon content? I m testing it now and get no reviews (just as you wrote in your email) 13:15 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4208 blocker, P1, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 13:15 kf gmcharlt: can I close bug 4208? not sure what you meant with "the opensearch template is a special case" 13:14 nyaeven hmm my testing was not complete it seems, for a couple of the servers i'm getting Results Connection failed to bobcat.nyu.edu Nothing found. Try another search. 13:14 owen I'm not sure nyaeven 13:13 nyaeven owen: how would i be able to tell if it's a problem that info? 13:12 kmkale if I want to uograde a machine using 3.00.00.107 to master is it a one shot upgrade or a rolling one? 13:12 nengard off to teach a webinar - be back this afternoon 13:12 nyaeven nps kf :) 13:11 owen I wonder if it's a problem with the info coming from "my ($bibliotag,$bibliosubf)=GetMarcFromKohaField('biblioitems.isbn','');" above that 13:11 owen Line 233 says "$isbn = $marcrecord->field($bibliotag)->data;" 13:09 kf nyaeven: Im sorry, I have no idea why it is not working. perhaps someone else can help 13:04 nyaeven i am just doing a title search on 'computers' 13:00 kf im not aware of a bug, but we are using 3.01.61 13:00 kf does this happen with every z39.50-server? what are you searching for? 12:59 nyaeven on debian, if that makes any difference 12:59 nyaeven 3.05 12:58 kf nyaeven: which version of koha are u using? 12:58 nyaeven hello, i am new to koha i hope you can help me, when i try and do a z30.50 from the catalouging interface i am getting the following error: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/z3950_search.pl line 233. does anyone know why this might be happning? 12:58 kf jwagner: I think there was a problem, but its also wrong in English :) 12:57 jwagner kf, I seem to remember the swapped syspref problem was a translation issue and someone is working on it. But I could be wrong.... 12:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode 12:56 kf bug 3164 12:56 kf and is 3164 a blocker? 12:56 kf is there a bug for "swapped" sysprefs (where on is off and off is on)? 12:20 kf no problem :) 12:19 nengard LOL :) sorry 12:19 kf nengard: now you were faster than me :) Bugzilla: Mid-air collision detected! 12:15 kf I think I dont want to know about all bugs :) 12:15 nengard we can't all know about all bugs ;) hehe 12:15 nengard no problem at all!!! 12:15 munin 04Bug 4018: blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Coins support problems and xslt 12:15 nengard http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4018 12:15 kf yes, thats exactly what happens. will search the bug. 12:14 kf nengard: ah, sorry. 12:14 nengard kf - there is a bug report about that - it does not work from the detail page - it shows 2 titles as exportable, and if you choose one it gives you a ton of errors 12:14 kf nengard: can you test zotero export from koha detail page? Its not working for me. result list is fine. 12:13 kf changed bugs and no mails got out 12:12 kf just noticed it too :) 12:12 nengard gmcharlt, should we get the commits list to point to the new git repo? Or was that done already? 12:12 nengard okey dokey!! Thanks :) 12:12 gmcharlt nengard: looks like an issue with email - chris dropped BibLibre a note asking them to check 12:11 nengard also I edited/submitted bugs and got no emails 12:11 nengard and I know that there were commits cause I just did a fetch and got stuff :) 12:11 nengard I haven't gotten any since Friday morning 12:11 nengard is anyone else getting emails from the bugs or commits mailing lists? 12:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3214 enhancement, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, OPAC XSLT stylesheets are not translatable 12:10 kf I found another related bug 3214 12:06 gmcharlt yep 12:06 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4403 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, XSLT files not translated 12:06 kf gmcharlt: close bug 4403? 11:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4472 blocker, P5, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation 11:59 kf bug 4472 11:56 kf thx, I hope my description is understandable 11:55 gmcharlt blocker 11:50 kf severity? 11:48 gmcharlt yes, please 11:48 kf his = this 11:48 kf gmcharlt: I added /> to all img tags and now the search is working. want me to add a new bug report fort his? 11:34 kf gmcharlt: I think it not a problem with pootle, the img tags are not in pootle, just the strings. so automatic translation seems to break xslt files :( 11:27 kf ok, ... it was too obvious 11:26 kf comparing de-DE and en - not sure where the missing img is 11:26 munin kmkale: chris_n was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 1 second ago: <chris_n> g'morning 11:26 kmkale @seen chris_n 11:20 kf there was a lot of code in pootle, I tried to copy all of it, but perhaps I translated something by mistake 11:17 kf gmcharlt: good idea, I will try to repair our xslt files 11:17 kf and Im pretty sure I translated/copied all code 11:17 gmcharlt kf: looks that way; I'll add a fallback to the English XSLT in cases where the non-English ones don't work 11:16 kf gmcharlt: perhaps another problem with pootle, es-ES and fr-FR also dont work 11:12 munin kmkale: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> huh. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/0C0mUe2JaHA/the-state-of-web-development-2010-web-directions 11:12 kmkale @seen wizzyrea 11:00 gmcharlt kf: looks like a bad translation - the closing </img> tags for the format icons were not supplied 10:47 kf have to leave now, will be back in about 30 minutes 10:45 kf http://pastebin.com/Mh7YkdmU 10:43 kf a long list of error messages... 10:42 kf installing libxml2-utils 10:41 kf have 3 more minutes - will test 10:41 gmcharlt I'd be curious to see what xmllint --noout /path/to/de-DE/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl shows 10:40 gmcharlt kf: looks like the XSL may not have survived the translation 10:39 kf gmcharlt: lunch time now, just let me know if you want me to test something or add this to the bug, will read back later 10:34 kf ah I think I found it http://pastebin.com/ds4axd2y 10:30 kf is this log under koha or var/log/apache2? 10:28 kf give me a minute 10:28 gmcharlt what error messages do you get in the Apache error log? 10:27 kf with english search works, with German I get an error 500 page 10:26 kf I updated my installation to test xslt translation 10:26 kf hi :) 10:26 gmcharlt kf: yes 10:26 kf gmcharlt: around? 10:24 kf hi chris_n :) 10:24 chris_n g'morning 10:23 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.1�C (6:23 AM EDT on May 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). 10:23 chris_n @wunder 28334 10:22 kf same temperature :) 10:21 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (10:00 PM NZST on May 10, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 10:21 chris @wunder wellington, nz 10:12 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on May 10, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006 hPa (Rising). 10:12 kf @weather Konstanz 09:21 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (2:10 PM IST on May 10, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 09:21 kmkale @weather Mumbai 09:21 kmkale good afrernoon all 09:01 vdsmile not in the opac but in the back 08:58 kf so that users can request new passwords in the opac? 08:57 vdsmile haev you an idea ? 08:57 vdsmile I want develop a module of password lost 08:55 vdsmile I have a question about koha 08:55 vdsmile hello everybody 08:34 kf good morning miguel 08:34 miguel good morning 08:33 kf chris: thats right. I was thinking about how this field is set in our libraries, they do not edit it, its set to a standard value 08:26 chris but if you enter one the same as one you already have, then you should be just adding an item anyway, not a new record 08:26 chris yep thats fine 08:25 kf have to keep this in mind, our libraries are all using item-level-itypes 08:25 kf but the check is during cataloging - so it will check with the biblio-level-itype and not the item-level-itype 08:24 chris because if you have same title, same author, but one is large print and one is paperback, then they aren't a duplicate 08:23 kf but why does it check the item type? 08:22 kf thx a lot 08:22 kf chris++ 08:21 chris if all 3 of those match, says duplicate 08:21 chris if that doesnt match, it then checks title, author and itemtype 08:20 chris if that matches, it stops looking and says this looks like a duplicate 08:20 nahuel chris, 08:20 nahuel hi chilts 08:20 chris it checks the isbn first 08:20 chris its in C4::Search 08:19 kf I tried to find the code, but did not really find out how it works 08:18 kf yes 08:18 chris when you add a new one and it says this loosk like a duplicate? 08:18 kf chris: another question is about duplicate check in cataloging, no idea how this works - the question is about the fields that are checked 08:16 chris or aims to be standards compliant 08:16 kf good point 08:15 chris i would say, attempts to follow web standards 08:15 kf hm, ok, I will state that koha follows web standards with no ref 08:12 chris maybe for 3.0 08:10 kf is this still correct? http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/appendices/browser-compatibility?searchterm=browser 08:09 chris hi nahuel 07:49 chris yeah you don't want to do that :) 07:49 robin otherwise I'll start dreaming about MARC records again :( 07:48 * robin calls it an evening 07:40 chris hi kf 07:40 kf good morning all :) 07:38 * chris sends another email to koha-devel 07:38 chris that should be fine :) 07:38 robin chris: how fun does a 4.7MB MARC XML file sound :) it's what I'm up to now, and I now just have to sort out some stuff relating to appending multiple columns into one field, and dewey validation, left. 07:27 chris unintentionally confusing :) 07:23 robin pedantically, they're different things... 07:22 robin chris: is it intentionally confusing that 'url' is described as 'Uniform Resource Identifier'? :) 07:16 chris cool 07:15 hdl_laptop I saw your email 07:15 chris ahhh 07:15 chris hdl_laptop: i notice that mail from lists.koha.org doesnt seem to be happening? 07:14 hdl_laptop rather at the begining of June 07:14 hdl_laptop it is a little later afaik 07:14 chris hi hdl_laptop :) hope you had a good weekend, was yesterday mothers day in france too? 07:12 hdl_laptop hi chris and all 07:12 chris hdl_laptop: you about? 07:11 chris :) 07:11 robin OK, they'll be asking about that tomorrow I expect :) 07:11 chris in theory you could use it for any type of item 07:11 chris robin: for serials yes, called a routing list 05:36 robin chris: when you're home, does Koha have a way of specifying a circulation list? As in, "when an item arrives, it should go to these people first"? 05:13 Amit_G heya chris 05:10 chris $maxitems = ( C4::Context->preference('maxItemsinSearchResults') ) ? C4::Context->preference('maxItemsinSearchResults') - 1 : 1 05:09 chris missing syspref too 04:47 * chris writes notes to himself 04:47 chris we need to shift all this js out of the templates into files, then put expires headers on them, will decrease the pageload size on a lot of pages 02:57 * larsw e-mails Russ with suggestion 02:56 chris yup 02:56 larsw perhaps that'd be good to discuss in tomorrow's kohacon meeting 02:55 chris not yet, but we should make one 02:55 larsw is there a deadline for kohacon Call for Papers? a date after which new proposals for talks/panels/etc won't be acceptedd? 02:53 schuster Same here... Had a nice garden party tonight... 02:39 chris yep, busy but good 02:36 schuster OK thanks. appreciate the help. Hope you had a good weekend... 02:35 chris if you want to do an install from git, that has the right urls in it 02:34 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 02:34 schuster true. Just trying to get closer to do some testing as I can. 02:33 chris you are instally whatever master has moved on to 02:33 chris if you clone git, you arent installing the alpha2 02:33 schuster thk. 02:32 schuster ok I do have the tarball, just have not had success installing from that in the past so guess I will march onward with the tar. 02:31 chris yeah that needs updating, but if you have the tarball, then you dont use git anyway 02:31 schuster INSTALL.debian-lenny 02:31 chris what document? 02:30 schuster is what is in the document... 02:30 schuster git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone 02:30 schuster I'm looking at loading 3.2alpha2 and I'm looking at the documentation where is the current git? 02:30 chris yes 02:29 schuster anyone about for a question? 02:18 munin braedon|home: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (2:00 PM NZST on May 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 02:18 braedon|home @wunder wellington, new zealand 02:18 munin braedon|home: Error: No such location could be found. 02:18 braedon|home @wunder wellington 02:17 munin braedon|home: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 20.0�C (2:00 PM NZST on May 10, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 02:17 braedon|home @wunder auckland 02:11 brendan night all 01:18 chris_n maybe they speak perl, no? 01:18 chris_n lol :D 01:17 gmcharlt a telegram asking the aliens to stop mucking with the probe might be better ;) 01:16 * chris_n wonders if some perl coding might help fix the problem 01:16 chris_n ahh... hope they get this fixed: http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/nasa-tracking-voyager2-problem-100506.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+spaceheadlines+%28SPACE.com+Headline+Feed%29 01:14 brendan nice that sounds excellent 01:11 chris_n yesterday we put up some new window baskets with flowers and today the kids and I took my wife out to eat 01:09 chris_n great 01:09 brendan heya chris_n how the day go? 01:09 chris_n howdy brendan 00:30 gmcharlt yep, let's go with Business::ISBN 00:22 nengard done with a ton of wiki edits - now it's time to relax - it is sunday after all 00:16 chris *nod* 00:15 robin Adding a smart ISBN/ISSN checker/seperator for this import thing to help handle noisy data. 00:15 robin oh, cool 00:15 chris its in debian already so thats good 00:14 chris yeah use that and ill follow up with gmcharlt about the dependency 00:14 robin oh, actually, I can do this in Business:: anyway, so that'll be better. 00:14 chris maybe he never pushed his patch :-) 00:14 robin (and builds on Business::ISBN) 00:14 chris ah i see a patch from gmcharlt with it 00:13 robin Oh well, I'll use Test::ISBN for this script, it does exactly what I need. 00:13 * chris greps mail 00:13 robin I've found code that checks ISBN for length and formatting, but nothing that does checksums. 00:12 chris i'm sure we did something with Business::ISBN 00:12 robin Yeah, I can't find any ISBN module. 00:11 chris hmm no sign of it, maybe its only in the 3.0.x branch 00:09 * brendan seems to remember that being in there 00:08 chris or did we used to use Business::ISBN ? 00:08 chris hmm am i dreaming