Time Nick Message 00:29 mason aaah, heres the fix for me... 00:29 mason ./rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -x 00:30 mason using the '-x' arg, handles the bad record better, and skips/succeeds - rather than barfing 01:18 chris handy 02:37 * chris_n adds color-coding to about->Perl Modules to indicate when modules need updating relative to Koha's requirements 02:37 SelfishMan pretty 02:40 chris nice 02:41 * chris_n notices that git rebase -i has new options 02:41 chris_n # p, pick = use commit 02:41 chris_n # r, reword = use commit, but edit the commit message 02:41 chris_n # e, edit = use commit, but stop for amending 02:41 chris_n # s, squash = use commit, but meld into previous commit 02:41 chris_n # f, fixup = like "squash", but discard this commit's log message 02:41 chris oh cool 03:17 chris_n g'night 03:17 chris night 03:33 Amit_G heya chris 05:00 chris http://koha-community.org/hlt-koha-committee-report-on-discussions-with-ptfs/#comments 05:00 chris ben is back 05:00 chris and quoting jo out of context, ie merging 2 separate comments 05:00 * brendan goes to look 05:01 brendan ben always seem to take anything out of context... 05:01 larsw not just merging, but also picking words to make it look like she said something she didn't 05:02 chris yep 05:02 larsw which is a vile form of lying 05:02 chris yes, yes it is 05:05 chris not sure what to do about it 05:05 chris i think ill sleep on it 05:05 chris hopefully someone else will do something and i will no longer feel the need to :) 05:20 kmkale humph no local trains running in Mumbai today. Everything almost at a standstill 05:20 kmkale good morning all 05:46 Amit_G heya kmkale 05:46 Amit_G kmkale: have u solve your problem 05:46 Amit_G ? 06:35 kmkale hey amit lost connection for a while 06:35 kmkale yes i solved it 06:46 Amit_G good 06:47 robin chris: don't suppose you're about? 06:57 hdl_laptop hi 06:57 hdl_laptop chris around ? 06:57 Ropuch^_ Morning #koha 07:02 magnus g'day #koha 07:23 kf good morning #koha 07:32 chris am now 07:33 robin chris: hey. koha fields are like 'biblio.title', but I'd like to have people just say 'title'. At the moment I'm iterating through the three prefixes checking for the right one. Is that sufficient? 07:33 robin Importantly, will they ever duplicate? 07:34 robin so 'biblioitems.title' and 'biblio.title'? 07:34 chris some things duplicate, title isnt one of them, 07:35 chris not between items, biblio and biblioitems anyway 07:35 robin But others can duplicate between them? (title was just an example) 07:35 chris im trying to think if any do 07:36 chris maybe just do a describe on each of those tables and eyeball them 07:36 robin yeah OK 07:36 robin tomorrow though :) 07:36 chris :) 07:36 chris off the top of my head, its just the biblionumber 07:36 chris which we wont be importing, but creating instead 07:37 robin now my script can take a CSV, load it, build an array of MARC records from that, and all without errors :) 07:37 robin However, there is currently no validation and no output. 07:37 chris its a darn good start :) 07:38 robin e.g. ./csvtomarc.pl -m title=title -m author=author -i EROlibrary.csv -o test.xml --kohaconf /home/robin/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 07:38 chris sweet 07:38 robin will extract author and title and apply them to the MARC records that match those koha field names. 07:39 chris awesome, doing it that way, means that it will work for MARC21 and UNIMARC too 07:39 robin yeah, that's what I figured. Putting an 'output' switch on it won't be hard. 07:39 robin but now, there's a SOBA get-together at Bodega, so I'm going to the pub :) 07:39 chris sounds good 07:40 robin catch you tomorrow 07:40 chris yep, have fun :) 07:51 chris hdl_laptop: you wanted me? 08:32 hdl_laptop chris : I just wanted to say thanks for your hints on fcgi 08:32 hdl_laptop ? 08:32 hdl_laptop . 08:35 chris no problem 08:35 chris you see the FCGI::Async script? 08:36 chris ill commit my ngnix conf too 08:38 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=a025dab4c1868c66f01f1cee935219e5951c0671 08:38 chris im playing with psgi now to see how that performs 08:38 hdl_laptop good. let me know 08:38 hdl_laptop I saw that patch 08:39 chris i just committed it now :) 08:39 chris it has the nginx config too 08:40 hdl_laptop psgi require some heavy work on scripts 08:41 chris nope 08:42 hdl_laptop not at first. 08:42 hdl_laptop But will still. 08:42 chris not if you use CGI::Compile and CGI::Emulate 08:42 hdl_laptop sure, but then you donot really use psgi 08:43 hdl_laptop at its full but kind of emulation of CGI 08:43 chris it compiles them into psgi, and runs them persistently 08:43 chris and persistent is the main thing that psgi gives you 08:45 chris its worth benchmarking anyway, to see if its any faster than FCGI::Async 08:59 chris Test total duration was 24 seconds and CAPS average 16: 08:59 chris H/F Req:310,1xx:0,2xx:310,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Err:0,D:5406ms,D-2xx:5406ms,Ti:87962B/s,To:2289B/s 08:59 chris H/F/S Req:0,1xx:0,2xx:0,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Err:0,D:0ms,D-2xx:0ms,Ti:0B/s,To:0B/s 09:00 chris hdl_laptop: does http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/opac-main.pl 09:00 chris work for you? 09:00 chris thats what i just benchmarked 09:00 chris im running it like this 09:01 hdl_laptop http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=John 09:01 chris yeah that wont work 09:01 hdl_laptop http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 09:01 chris neither will that 09:01 chris only the url i pasted 09:01 chris ive only set it up for that url just for testing 09:01 hdl_laptop it works 09:01 chris cool 09:02 chris so opac-main.pl served 310 requests in 24 seconds 09:02 chris under this 09:02 chris plackup -MPlack::App::CGIBin -e 'Plack::App::CGIBin->new(root => "/home/chris/git/koha.git/opac")->to_app' 09:02 chris with ngnix in front 09:03 hdl_laptop I tried this but css and js was not loaded. 09:04 chris yep, nginx is doing the css and js 09:04 chris that might have been the missing piece 09:04 chris i just ramped it up 09:05 Amit_G hdl_laptop around 09:05 Amit_G i m just reading your comment on http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-January/005276.html 09:06 hdl_laptop Amit_G: ? 09:07 Amit_G st-numeric is not correct for lexile searching 09:11 chris Test total duration was 182 seconds and CAPS average 13: 09:11 chris H/F Req:1502,1xx:0,2xx:1502,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Err:0,D:5992ms,D-2xx:5992ms,Ti:56201B/s,To:1315B/s 09:11 chris H/F/S Req:0,1xx:0,2xx:0,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Err:0,D:0ms,D-2xx:0ms,Ti:0B/s,To:0B/s 09:13 hdl_laptop Amit_G: I am not using MARC21 neither lexile. 09:13 Amit_G ok 09:14 hdl_laptop I was just suggesting another way ro do things. 09:15 Amit_G but pubdate also using the same st-numeric 09:21 chris hdl_laptop: http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=fish 09:21 chris all urls should work now 09:21 hdl_laptop http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=155 09:22 chris yeah thats not psgi tho 09:22 chris thats me breaking opac-detail.pl 09:23 hdl_laptop http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-topissues.pl 09:23 hdl_laptop Same thing. 09:26 chris yep Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/chris/git/koha.git/opac/opac-topissues.pl line 101. 09:26 chris valid perl errors 09:29 chris login works tho 09:30 chris so far, it seems just those 2 09:30 chris interesting opac-topissues.pl works fine if you are logged 09:30 chris in 09:31 chris ah yep i see why 09:31 chris $template->param( branchloop => GetBranchesLoop(C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'})); 09:31 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-topissues.pl 09:32 chris its broken in apache2 as well 09:32 * chris fixes 09:32 chris fixed that one 09:32 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-topissues.pl work for you now? 09:34 hdl_laptop yes 09:34 chris what i did was this 09:35 chris if (C4::Context->userenv){ $template->param( branchloop => GetBranchesLoop(C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'})); 09:35 chris } 09:35 chris else { $template->param( branchloop => GetBranchesLoop()); 09:35 chris } 09:35 chris should have been done anyway so thats fine, ill look at opac-detail now 10:04 * magnus admires the effect of switching from the deprecated zebraqueue-daemon to running rebuild_zebra from cron every 2 minutes http://div.libriotech.no/files/2010/koha-load-week.png 10:17 zico hi 10:17 zico i have a little bit problem with book of Bangla language 10:17 zico i am from Dhaka, Bangladesh 10:17 zico the problem is 10:18 zico i can generate english barcode label with koha 10:18 zico but, when Bangla book comes, when i tries to generate barcode in pdf.. it don`t work 10:19 zico pdf reader shows me the error that, "unable to open" 10:19 zico can anyone help me a little? 10:19 Amit_G heya zico 10:22 zico hello Amit_G 10:23 dan_paris Hello!! 10:23 dan_paris do you know how change the first administrator login/password after install ? 10:24 kmkale Hey anybody upgraded to Lucid yet? I did and am now stuck with "error: unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon" system wont boot beyond this point. 10:39 kf dan_paris: its in the xml config file of koha 10:56 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 10:56 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (3:40 PM IST on May 04, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 10:56 greenmang0 thanks munin 10:57 chris_n kmkale: I did last week and all is well 10:57 chris_n and good morning #koha 10:58 chris_n kmkale: that sounds like a nasty error though :-P 10:58 chris hi chris_n 10:58 chris_n heya chris 11:07 chris_n @later tell kmkale: I succesfully upgraded to lucid last week 11:07 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 11:09 kmkale chris_n: did you do a upgrade via upgrade manager or from a cd / dvd? 11:11 chris_n upgrade manager (using -d) 11:12 * chris_n is not fully awake yet 11:18 kmkale i wonder how you guyz wonder aloud like that :( 11:20 kmkale i did too but now am locked out of ubuntu trying to boot into fedora partition and repair ubuntu boot and cursing myself as all the work is stuck 11:21 dan_paris chris: thank KF! 11:22 kf huh? 11:24 chris huh? 11:25 nengard first thing I see after logging in - 'huh?' -- that's not a nice greeting chris :) hehe 11:25 nengard good morning all!! 11:26 Colin g'day #koha (huh?) 11:27 chris Colin: thanks for the plack hint 11:27 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 11:28 Colin It looks nice... has defiite potential 11:28 chris running with nginx in front, plack behind 11:28 chris everying but opac-detail.pl works 11:28 chris contrast with 11:28 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 11:28 chris exact same code 11:28 chris but with apache2 11:28 chris and cig 11:28 chris cgi too 11:30 Colin There's a definite difference 11:30 chris yep, tis faster but the main win is throughput 11:31 chris if i hit that url with 100 concurrent connection on apache2 11:31 chris the machine bursts into flames 11:31 chris (or at least load gets to 120+ and it starts swapping like mad) 11:32 chris with nginx and plack it barely notices 11:34 Colin Nice thing is that it dosen't require too much rethinking of existing code to take advantage of that 11:34 chris yeah, pretty much none at all 11:35 chris (thats why i was testing FCGI::Async) because it didnt need much either 11:37 jdavidb hello, #koha! :) 11:38 Colin welcome jdavidb 11:38 chris hiya jdavidb 11:40 chris ok, time for sleep 11:44 gmcharlt good morning 11:45 jwagner Morning.... 11:46 kf good morning jdavidb, Colin, jwagner and gmcharlt :) 11:47 Colin morning or afternoon as it is here 11:49 jwagner Good [time of day of choice] :-) 11:49 jwagner Any French speakers online? I need a syspref translation. 11:51 * magnus thinks the biblibre gang is in a meeting 11:54 jwagner Oh well..... 11:55 jdavidb If I was feeling mean-spirited, jwagner, I'd suggest that you use Google Translate, so they'd point and laugh when they read what you use from it.... 11:57 * jwagner looks over the tops of her glasses at jdavidb 11:58 jwagner AHA! A French speaker! 11:58 * jdavidb cowers in fear 11:58 chris_n lol jdavidb 11:58 jwagner Was just asking for one, for a translation :-) 11:59 hdl_laptop jwagner: sure 12:00 jwagner I'm changing the description of opaccolorstylesheet, and I'll have a couple of new ones later. Here's the 1st one: 12:00 jwagner Define an auxiliary stylesheet for OPAC use, to override specified settings from the primary opac.css stylesheet. Enter the filename (if the file is in the server's css directory) or a complete URL beginning with http (if the file lives on a remote server). 12:00 kf jdavidb: more chocolate? 12:00 hdl_laptop hi all 12:01 jdavidb Just a little, kf. Things are much better today than yesterday. (funny what nine hours of sleep will do) 12:02 * kf hands jdavid some chocolate 12:02 kf sleep is a fascinating thing, would like to get more of it 12:03 * jwagner wants chocolate too! 12:03 * jdavidb found a recipe for home-made Snickers bars, and is thinking of making a 9x13" panful for jwagner 12:04 jwagner Mmmmmmmmmmmm 12:05 * jdavidb makes a note on the recipe card: "jwagner approves." 12:05 hdl_laptop Définit une feuille de style auxiliaire pour l'OPAC qui prend le pas sur la feuille de style primaire. Entrez le nom du fichier (si le fichier est sur le serveur) ou une URL commencant par http (si le fichier est sur un serveur distant) 12:05 jwagner Well, I haven't approved YET -- I was indicating approval of the idea! 12:06 jwagner Merci, hdl_laptop! 12:06 dan_paris An other question please; An administrator can reset or change user password ? i don't find where is it.. 12:07 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: do you have any patches to fix the translateable templates errors in admin/aqplan.tmpl 12:08 hdl_laptop Un administrateur peut réinitialiser ou changer le mot de passe utilisateur. 12:08 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: think so. 12:09 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: will search and send you 12:09 gmcharlt hdl_laptop++ 12:10 dan_paris hdl_laptop> oky merci 12:11 * kf hands out chocolate to jwagner too 12:11 * jwagner thanks kf 12:11 kf I thought jdavidb would share 12:11 jwagner Share? CHOCOLATE??? You must be joking! (I wouldn't share either.....) 12:15 kmkale @quit 12:15 munin kmkale: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 12:15 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: aqbudgets.tmpl has a similar issue of tmpl_if embeded in a <td> element 12:15 hdl_laptop will fix that either. 12:16 hdl_laptop any #bug ? 12:24 jwagner hdl_laptop, see Bug 4394 -- I think the revised version takes care of your concerns with it. 12:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL 12:52 owen jwagner++ # for opaccolorstylesheet pref enhancement 12:54 hdl_laptop k 12:56 jwagner owen, thanks. Hope it takes care of the themes directory problem with the first patch. 12:59 nengard I have an amazon question. I'm on my test system and have all amazon content turned on, yet when i click on reviews it says there aren't any - but on amazon there are 12:59 nengard and i don't see any similar items even though i know i have similar items in my catlaog 12:59 nengard do i need to do something other than turn the preferences on? 13:00 * owen is wondering why he clicked through to that comment from Ben Ide. Terrible way to start the day. 13:00 nengard :( 13:02 * chris_n wonders if anyone has a patch to fix a bug he has... ie. a bad cold 13:03 owen chris_n: I have a patch for that, but it takes a week to ten days to merge it properly. 13:03 chris_n :D 13:03 nengard goofy boys 13:11 jwagner chris_n, it's on the development list, right after the cloning and time travel modules.... 13:12 * chris_n has to admit cloning should be at the top :) 13:12 owen Man I really wish the tag moderation page linked to the record/records which users have added tags to. 13:12 nengard owen - me too! 13:12 nengard I'd also like to approve tags on a per title basis 13:13 nengard in addition to as a blanket 'this word is bad' 13:13 nengard type 13:13 nengard i'd also like there to be a tagging utility for the staff client 13:19 chris_n critiques: http://www.screencast.com/t/OTE0MWJk 13:20 chris_n wb hdl_laptop 13:21 nengard chris_n are you suggesting color coding that page? are you asking what we think? 13:21 nengard it works for me :) 13:23 chris_n yes, yes, great 13:23 nengard :) 13:23 nengard what does yellow mean? 13:23 collum nengard: what do you envision the functionality of a tagging utility to be? 13:23 chris_n but that is just the skin of an overhaul of the underlying code 13:23 chris_n yellow = need to upgrade relative to Koha's requirements 13:23 collum I would like there to be a way to populate tags based on librarything. 13:23 nengard collum I envision a lot of changes - in order to pull tags from LT I think you need to pay for LT4L 13:23 chris_n nengard: ie. Koha is looking for a newer version than that installed 13:24 nengard chris_n figured that 13:25 owen chris_n: I'd say don't highlight the good ones with green, just highlight the problems 13:25 nengard collum i think that first, librarians should be able to add tags in bulk to items if they want. second, tags should be searchable - or else they're just there for fun. third, i think librarians should be able to approve/reject tags both per title and as a word (ex. if i tag harry potter as 'devil worshipping' a librarians should be able to reject that tag on harry potter but let it still be used on books about 'devil worshippi 13:25 nengard ng') 13:25 chris_n owen: yeah, I thought all the green might be a bit overwhelming 13:26 chris_n not to mention ugly imho 13:26 nengard :) 13:26 collum all good things. Bulk and searchable would be nice. 13:27 nengard patrons can add tags in bulk now - and techincally so can staff if they log into the opac- but it should be in the staff client as well 13:28 nengard collum, john blyberg mentioned some neat ideas for tags in his sopac talk: http://www.web2learning.net/archives/3712 13:30 owen Here's an interesting case from my catalog: Someone just added a tag to this title http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=208268 13:30 owen Their tag, " Wings in the Night bk. 3 " 13:30 collum It's been a while since I played with tags. I really like the concept of rejecting or approving on a per title basis. 13:31 owen Helpful because the record doesn't contain that information. But since a regular search won't hit on the tag, it doesn't end up helping anyone else 13:32 owen And since this "tag" really only applies to one title, I question whether it should be approved 13:37 * collum wonders if a tag, after it is approved, could be incorporated into a repeatable option field in the marc record, possibly in the 900s. 13:43 chris_n hi Nate 13:43 Nate morning chris_n! 13:43 Nate and everyone 13:44 sekjal morning, Nate! 13:45 Nate hiya sekjal 13:50 magnus yay! http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_2_0.txt;hb=HEAD 13:59 sekjal is anyone else out there having issues with renewals on the latest code? I'm noticing on several machines that I can't renew anything, even if I override. 14:01 * wizzyrea goes to check 14:01 kf sekjal: let me check, we just updated our system 14:01 sekjal thanks, wizzyrea and kf! 14:02 kf kf: I used an account with already checked out items, i marked 2 and renewed, it worked, but I see Renewal Failed for all other items - although I didnt mark them for renewal 14:03 kf hm, and override renewal limit automagically marks all items not for renewal, I think this is a new behaviour (that I dont like9 14:04 wizzyrea sekjal: it seems to be working for me 14:04 kf hm 14:04 wizzyrea let me try again 14:04 kf when I click on override renewal on check out tab no items are marked 14:05 kf when I click on override renewal on details tab all not renewable items are marked 14:05 kf this is not consistend 14:05 kf consistent 14:05 kf swap the tabs 14:05 sekjal there was just a new patch that fixed some of the SQL in CanBookBeRenewed, but I'm still getting a failure when I run that function. 14:06 sekjal it's called twice, once when the page is rendered to determine what checkboxes to show, and again when you actually try to renew an item 14:06 wizzyrea I personally don't think we should allow any processing of items on the details page 14:07 wizzyrea display only 14:07 gmcharlt wizzyrea: staff or OPAC? 14:07 wizzyrea staff 14:07 wizzyrea patron detail 14:07 wizzyrea it's a lot to try and keep consistent, and it's not that hard to click over to the checkout tab 14:07 wizzyrea to do work with it 14:08 wizzyrea but I may be a cuckoo, too 14:08 kf I think it is fixed now, but in our 3.0.61 you could only set a specific renewal date on details tab 14:08 wizzyrea yea, that needs to be moved to the checkout if it's not there 14:08 kf my librarians got confused 14:08 wizzyrea it's there on the checkout page 14:09 wizzyrea < mine definitely would have as well 14:09 kf yes, look ok now 14:09 wizzyrea and good morning 14:09 kf but the error message is confusing 14:10 kf it shows renewal fail for those item that I did not mark for renewal 14:10 kf wizzyrea: can you confim? 14:10 kf hm letters missing... renwal failED for those itemS... 14:10 wizzyrea how did you test it? checked out a bunch of items, checked only a couple for renewal, clicked renew/return checked items? 14:10 wizzyrea (making sure I'm doing the same thing you are) 14:11 kf yes 14:11 wizzyrea k sec 14:12 kf hm, not sure this is new: I opened another account with overdue items and the items are already checked for renewal. 14:13 owen Not new kf 14:14 kf hi owen 14:14 wizzyrea kf: I wasn't able to duplicate that 14:14 wizzyrea the renewal fail for unchecked items 14:15 kf wizzyrea: I tested with another account and it didnt happen again 14:15 * kf confused 14:15 wizzyrea were the items overdue or otherwise restricted? 14:15 wizzyrea like, maybe someone had a hold? 14:15 kf overdue 14:15 wizzyrea ah all of mine were current... 14:15 wizzyrea one sec 14:16 kf hm 14:17 kf wizzyrea: wait, I think I have an idea - our templates might not have been updated 14:17 wizzyrea Ah! 14:17 wizzyrea I have the newest stuff as of about 10 minutes ago 14:17 wizzyrea it's all out of the bo 14:17 kf wizzyrea: I tested with German - English is ok 14:17 wizzyrea box* 14:17 sekjal I think the problem I'm having is somewhere in the SQL... when working on a system with only two, simple loan rules, it behaves itself. The SQL for CanBookBeRenewed is very complex 14:18 wizzyrea what kind of rules are you working with? 14:18 wizzyrea where you see the problem? 14:18 kf i dont use default values, too many problems with other ils in the past 14:19 kf I have every combination of borrowercategory and itemtype 14:19 wizzyrea oh wow 14:19 wizzyrea < impressed by your tenacity 14:19 wizzyrea :) 14:19 wizzyrea that must have been a bear to set up 14:20 wizzyrea (rather, it would have been in our system) 14:22 sekjal one of the systems I'm working on has mostly default branchcode, and only two enumerated patron categories. 14:23 schuster Before I start beating my head against a wall... in the Main nav in the opac what have people used there? My boss wants some widgets and as I start "building" them I am getting lots of options, javascript, iframe, html, what have others used? 14:23 jwagner schuster, anything from bare text to elaborate menu links :-) 14:24 wizzyrea we have tested all of those 14:24 wizzyrea they all seem to work 14:24 wizzyrea what kidn of widgets? 14:24 schuster I've got bare text... So I'm looking at some widgets.. Do some work better than others? Database type widgets mainly... I'm looking at word of the day, this day in history, ebsco, gale etc... 14:25 schuster jwagner - do you have any Koha instances that I can go and look at what you may have done? I'm also thinking about the three boxes that I have seen others do in the middle 14:25 jwagner The main thing, I think, is to keep it self-contained and make sure the HTML/scripts don't clash. 14:25 wizzyrea ckls.mykansaslibrary.org uses librarything 14:25 wizzyrea er 14:25 wizzyrea sorry 14:25 wizzyrea that's not the right URL at all 14:25 jwagner schuster, not offhand -- I'd have to dig some up. It's been a while. 14:26 wizzyrea ckls.kohalibrary.com 14:27 schuster That is the trick isn't it... The vendors don't like to play nicely. 14:27 wizzyrea ? 14:27 wizzyrea oh you mean the widget vendors 14:27 schuster I have to be careful what I put there as it is pertinent to ALL levels k-12(database vendors that is - the Gale widget wants to over right the ebsco widget and take over the page. 14:28 wizzyrea ah 14:28 wizzyrea you could do what we did 14:28 wizzyrea and put them in the nav bar 14:29 jwagner schuster, I didn't create this page, but I did some updates on it: http://cate.kohalibrary.com/ 14:29 nengard I have an amazon question. For some reason only amazon cover images are working for me - none of the other content - and I'm wondering if it's possible that the slash in my awsprivatekey is causing errors in koha code - anyone think that might be it? 14:29 owen schuster: http://nyack.waldo.kohalibrary.com/ 14:29 owen schuster: http://rfpl.kohalibrary.com/ 14:30 wizzyrea a lot of it is putting pretty graphics over links 14:31 wizzyrea nyack is pretty 14:31 wizzyrea rfpl definitely likes their widgets 14:31 kf wizzyrea: I added my issuingrules with sql... ;) 14:31 wizzyrea kf: very smart. 14:31 wizzyrea :) 14:32 wizzyrea we also add things to the detail pages: http://screencast.com/t/MjQ5MmE4ZWI 14:33 wizzyrea though there's a pref for that now I think 14:33 wizzyrea (which I thank your diety of choice for) 14:35 jwagner wizzyrea, I think the diety for that one is named nengard :-) 14:35 nengard huh? what? have I been promoted?? 14:35 wizzyrea we also need to remember to change the text in the system preferences for OCLCAffiliateID: they allow 1k requests/day for users with no ID now 14:35 jwagner According to wizzyrea, you have.... 14:36 wizzyrea you made the editable block pref for the opac detail pages, right? 14:36 nengard yes 14:36 nengard the one for search in other 14:36 wizzyrea then yes, you would be the diety of choice, in this case 14:36 wizzyrea ;) 14:36 nengard hehe :) wow - why thanks :) hehe 14:37 wizzyrea lordy bugs is slow today 14:41 jwagner It was fine earlier -- an hour or so ago. 14:42 kf bug 4386-- 14:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4386 blocker, P2, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, New print notice feature not obeying email address for hold notices 14:42 kf fine here too 14:42 wizzyrea man it took like 2 minutes for it to even come up here... everything else is speedy 14:42 wizzyrea now that I'm in it's ok though 14:43 wizzyrea oh well 14:44 sekjal ah ha! error in the SQL syntax! but only on one machine.... and they are supposedly running the same code... 14:44 wizzyrea !! 14:45 sekjal well, obviously they are not... time to do some git-blaming 14:49 sekjal ah. the same patch was applied, but resulted in a different commit. 14:50 kf gmcharlt++ #3.2alpha2 14:50 owen gmcharlt: I'd like to lobby for the inclusion of my patch for Bug 4387 14:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4387 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Cart popup shadow fails to hide itself consistently 14:51 schuster all owen patches get my vote - as my boss says "it makes it look pretty..." 14:52 gmcharlt owen: no string changes, and failure mode in IE is hardly going to raise hackles, so fine 14:53 gmcharlt I will roast anybody who makes a blocker bug complaining about a missing shadow in IE8 14:53 gmcharlt :) 14:53 sekjal owen++ 14:53 kf :) 14:54 kf hay anybody tested syspref translation? my colleague told me he got no error message but everything is still English 14:54 kf cant type today 14:54 kf *sigh* 15:00 owen Bug 2375 says "fixed," but it doesn't look like my patch was approved. Is the "fixed" status an error? 15:00 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2375 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, RESOLVED FIXED, Serials holdings data does not display in opac-detail 15:01 gmcharlt owen: nengard closed it, maybe she was staistfied with the current display? duno 15:02 chris_n gmcharlt++ #3.2alpha2 15:09 wizzyrea woo alpha2! 15:09 * owen points his browser to bugs.koha.org and settles down for a game of solitaire 15:09 wizzyrea ! mine was slow too! 15:10 wizzyrea [off] wonder if chris is running his screen scrape >.> 15:11 owen Maybe it's from furious bug-fixing 15:12 nengard owen gmcharlt, i don't remember why i closed it .... 15:12 schuster New question about widgets and boxes and news... So if you are running a "custom" template you can't use news in the opac as that isn't an option.. 15:12 owen schuster: By custom do you mean using opacmainuserblock? 15:13 wizzyrea ^^ 15:13 wizzyrea I thought the news went above that 15:13 owen Right, you should be able to use both 15:13 schuster Yes. 15:14 schuster we are not using prog - templates and so when I put something in the OPAC(en) as a "news" item nothing shows up above the opacmain or nav...??? 15:14 schuster hmmm I'll go back and switch the template back to prog and see if it works then. 15:14 wizzyrea oh, then yea, maybe your template is different 15:17 owen Bug 2375 reopened and revised patch submitted 15:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2375 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, REOPENED, Serials holdings data does not display in opac-detail 15:25 wizzyrea changing the text of system preferences: you only have to change the text in the template file for that section? (enhanced-preferences.pref, for example) 15:25 wizzyrea or is there more I need to do 15:25 wizzyrea (get translations, for example) 15:25 owen gmcharlt: I resubmitted another patch which is now described as Bug 4446. I didn't see it in the patches list archive so I wasn't sure if it made it through 15:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4446 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Style changes to cart popup window more compact display 15:28 kf owen: did your patch remove display of 952 serial enumeration? 15:29 kf owen: or only if its not used? 15:30 owen My patch removed some things from the holdings display which are correctly displayed under the subscriptions tab 15:30 kf owen: ah, i think I figured it out from the patch code 15:30 wajasu nengard: i was wondering if anything else beside book covers should show for amazon content. 15:31 nengard wajasu not for me 15:31 nengard oh - sorry - yes more should show 15:31 nengard if you have those preferences turned on 15:31 nengard but they're not working for me right now 15:32 wajasu maybe i just need to find something with a review.... 15:34 kf I can test tomorrow - perhaps remind me. we use amazon in our catalogs 15:36 wajasu i also wonder if on the item detail page, when i hover/click over the book cover it links to amazon, but is there a way to get the AmazonAssociateTag added to the end of the link? 15:37 wajasu if thats how thats supposed to work to get credit if my patron make a purchase. 15:42 owen That's how one would expect it to work. In reality the AmazonAssocTag preference doesn't seem to be used at all in Koha's code. 15:42 owen wajasu: Could you file a bug report for that? 15:43 wajasu sure. I'll file bug. 15:46 * owen wonders if that was ever used... in 2.x maybe? 15:47 jwagner owen and anyone else interested in XSLT, see Bug 4447 -- discussion? 15:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4447 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Allow external URL/storage location for XSLT stylesheets 15:48 wizzyrea I'm for that 15:49 jwagner The code makes it tricky -- it's building the path on the fly, based on the suffix (results or details), so it seems to be all or nothing. 15:50 kf jwagner: I wonder if this could lead to problems with ie and https 15:50 kf jwagner: translation is another problem 15:50 jwagner Good one -- hadn't thought of that. "I don't know" is the answer :-) 15:52 wajasu i had also added the AmazonAssociateTag in my "more searches" drop down that I added. It would be nice to have {AMAZONASSOCID} available as well. Should that be a separate enhancement? 15:52 wizzyrea presumably, if you were using an external XSLT, you would be localizing it to your language anyway 15:52 wizzyrea i.e. as far as translating it, you wouldn't need to, because your files aren't in the project, if that makes sense. 15:52 hdl_laptop jwagner: I wrote a patch to allow usage of alternative xslts 15:52 hdl_laptop I sent it. 15:52 jwagner Yeah, my contemplated workflow is to ftp the two .xsl files from the server, customize them however you want, & stick them off on another server. For translation, you'd copy the other language ones. 15:53 jwagner hdl_laptop, really? I missed that. Do you have a bug #? 15:53 hdl_laptop But it just needed to use different system preference 15:53 schuster OK throw the brick at me... On the news it works - I had today as the publish date, as soon as I set it to yesterday guess what - It shows up! 15:53 wizzyrea yea, that's a bug 15:53 wizzyrea one I think I fixed, actually 15:54 wizzyrea so you probably just don't have the update that fixes that 15:54 jwagner wizzyrea, bug # for that fix? 15:54 hdl_laptop bug 3042 15:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3042 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Add more details to OPAC search results RSS 15:54 wizzyrea 1s lemme look 15:54 sekjal mysql claims I have a syntax error. There is in fact none. Unfortunately, you can't argue with a machine. 15:55 kf wizzyrea: we are using mroe than one language in opac :) 15:55 jwagner hdl_laptop, that bug doesn't seem to be related to XSLT files. 15:55 wizzyrea bug 3685, but I didn't attach the patch to it. Will look for it and do that. 15:55 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3685 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, tools / news = error with date 15:55 wizzyrea but it's fixed in head 15:56 wizzyrea regardless. 15:56 hdl_laptop patch sent on the 05 02 15:56 hdl_laptop And was numbered bug 3042 15:56 jwagner wizzyrea, please do attach the patch -- we can grab it from there. 15:57 wizzyrea also this 15:57 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3289 15:57 munin 04Bug 3289: normal, P5, ---, wizzyrea@gmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, News items do not appear on current date, must be backdated. 15:58 wizzyrea ...you can't get it from git? sorry, I'm a bit thick. 15:59 jwagner wizzyrea, I dunno. Patch files are always safe :-) 15:59 hdl_laptop http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-patches@lists.koha.org/msg04447.html 15:59 * chris_n tries to imagine a thick wizzyrea 16:00 hdl_laptop http://markmail.org/message/lhz34uen3ljxd6za 16:00 hdl_laptop jwagner you can look at thos two patches 16:01 kf ok, really time to leave, will be back later for the meeting 16:02 jwagner hdl_laptop, thanks. Looks like a similar approach but yours is more elaborate. I'll update my bug report with those references. 16:02 hdl_laptop jwagner: al you would have to add is changing xslt syspref names 16:03 hdl_laptop + adding a default to present xslt filenames 16:04 hdl_laptop in case XSLTOPACResult (for instance) is on And XSLTWhateveryounameit would not. 16:05 wizzyrea coopetition++ 16:05 hdl_laptop those two patches however are a step into the desired direction and seems to me more general than a hardcoded path. 16:07 hdl_laptop A problem not really easy to solve is the usage of OPAC stylesheets at intranet for Results. 16:07 hdl_laptop Since at the moment, C4::Search is not "aware" of templates. 16:08 hdl_laptop and, at the moment, the display of biblios is done not at the pl level, but in the getRecords Level, which in my opinion, is a crazy thing. 16:08 jwagner hdl_laptop, thanks. I'll take a look at yours & see if it does what I'm wanting. 16:08 hdl_laptop let me know 16:09 hdl_laptop Will be online tonight 16:11 schuster wizzyrea - I saw you linked on the detail page to novel list - was it easy? what did you do? 16:12 wizzyrea I did it with jquery 16:12 wizzyrea one sec I'll go grab the code 16:12 schuster Cool. - I was thinking of doing something similar with a webservice that finds websites... 16:13 wizzyrea $("li:contains('in This Series')").after("<li><a target='_blank' href='http://ksuc-agent.auto-graphics.com/homepages/customerwide/ValidateGlobalIP.asp?cuid=ksuc&lid=kw9&stfftype=Z&defaultlang=english&qmisc=&mode=d&dataid=183'>NoveList</a></li>"); 16:13 wizzyrea I am SURE there is a better way to pinpoint that location in the list 16:13 owen wizzyrea: What's an example of this in use? 16:13 wizzyrea but when I wrote it I didn't know what it was 16:14 wizzyrea search for this title in: 16:14 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=147824 16:15 schuster I'm not in Kansas anymore dorothy so the click on novel list doesn't go anywhere. Can you do a screen shot? 16:16 owen wizzyrea: You could try the eq() method in that kind of situation 16:16 owen http://www.tutorialspoint.com/jquery/traversal-eq.htm 16:17 wizzyrea hm. 16:17 schuster OK you two are talking jquery which to me is as good as french - sorry don't understand any of it... 16:17 wizzyrea schuster: novelist looks just like novelist anywhere else 16:18 wizzyrea you would paste that code (or something like it) into your opacuserjs 16:18 schuster So wizzyrea - does it actually pull the series into Novel list or just goes there and then you type in your series you are looking for? 16:18 wizzyrea goes there and you type in the series 16:18 wizzyrea they asked me for a link 16:18 wizzyrea so I gave them one ;) 16:19 wizzyrea i'm certain it could be better 16:19 schuster It would be way cool if it actually could pull the series authority into the search! 16:20 wizzyrea yep, though NEKLS doesn't use authorities 16:20 wizzyrea (yet) 16:20 schuster But they may already be in the MARC record... 16:20 wizzyrea I agree in principle it would be cool, but 1. i'm not that smart and 2. I'm not that smart. 16:21 wizzyrea ;) 16:21 schuster ah but we know someone who is.... "oh owennnnn..." 16:21 * jwagner offers owen a desk to hide under 16:22 owen I've got a great hiding-under desk! 16:22 owen If I had a nice mat I could nap under it 16:23 schuster http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=267697 - you already have a series heading in the display... 16:23 chris_n wonderful memories... the days when we were able to take naps; if my kids could know what I do, they'd love taking naps 16:24 jwagner I've been lobbying for a nap room for years, at various jobs. No luck. Of course, I also once proposed to turn the rare book room into a staff spa complete with jacuzzi.... 16:25 chris_n hehe 16:25 schuster OK looking at your cataloging wizzyrea - and that bib oh my... creative cataloging 101... in the series heading. 16:26 * wizzyrea points to Sharon and Heather. They are the ones who train on that. 16:26 schuster I can also see you are anxiously awaiting as I am for the bib merge tool! 16:26 wizzyrea yep. 16:38 schuster http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x8278 nengard / wizzyrea - in reading this should "item" really be "Title"? as it doesn't track items per say as it keeps lists of Titles. 16:40 nengard i can change it 16:41 * wizzyrea only puts the manual on the web ;) 16:41 wizzyrea nengard writes it :D 16:43 nengard git updated 16:47 wajasu there sure are lots of systems being integrated. are we heading into an N-to-N integration problem? where a change to a biib or item, requires code changes in lots of modules? 16:49 wajasu maybe there should be plans for some sort of ESB(enterprise service bus) or message bus that modules can listen on to decouple things. anyone thinking about that these days? 16:53 schuster Thank you Ladies. 16:54 cait hi #koha 16:59 CGI480 Hello 17:00 wizzyrea hi 17:01 CGI480 have an query 17:01 wizzyrea go ahead :) 17:01 CGI480 what computer language is Koha developed on 17:01 wizzyrea Perl 17:01 CGI480 we are planning to use Koha for a client 17:02 CGI480 who needs a library management system 17:02 wizzyrea you may want to check out the official website for Koha at http://www.koha-community.org 17:02 wizzyrea lots of info there 17:03 wizzyrea hi kmkale 17:04 wizzyrea I have bad news, I don't think your patch went through :( 17:04 CGI480 since we are .Net guys we want to stay within .net so that we can modify the stuff that we want to 17:04 wizzyrea Ah 17:05 wizzyrea yea, Koha doesn't go there. 17:05 CGI480 oh 17:05 CGI480 okay, thanks for the info. 17:05 wizzyrea sure thing :) 17:06 CGI480 are you aware of some product htat you can suggest using .Net ? 17:06 wizzyrea not FOSS 17:06 wizzyrea that I know of 17:06 cait dont know one 17:06 wizzyrea ILS's in general don't go .NET (that I am aware of) 17:07 CGI480 :( 17:07 wizzyrea lots of java, C, Perl, and PHP 17:07 kmkale hi wizzyrea 17:07 kmkale hi all 17:07 CGI480 okay thanks for the info 17:07 kmkale whew!!! back up on ubuntu 17:07 wizzyrea sure thing :) 17:08 kmkale had to reinstall grub after upgrade to lucid 17:08 wizzyrea owch 17:08 zico hi 17:08 zico i am facing problem with barcode generation 17:08 zico our koha can generate barcode of english titles 17:08 kmkale chris_n: i read in the irc log that my email never reached anybody. true still? 17:08 zico but, if we go for Bangla lanugage barcode generation... pdf file shows ... "Unable to read" 17:10 nengard wizzyrea i was wrong before - git is updated now - it wasn't before - anyway -is the script running nightly? 17:10 kmkale zico i remember reading somewhere its a bug in the perl module. I am unable to generate barcode in Marathi or Hindi 17:10 kmkale I use Kbarcode 17:11 kmkale gmcharlt: did the patch mail reach you? 17:11 wizzyrea sunday, actually 17:11 wizzyrea I can run it anytime though 17:11 wizzyrea want me to update it? 17:12 wizzyrea (also, did you see the french manual?) 17:12 wizzyrea nengard 17:12 nengard wizzyrea - no need to update now 17:12 nengard still writing 17:12 nengard but maybe tomorrow would be good 17:12 nengard and yes i saw the french!! :) 17:12 nengard also - I updated the French so you shouldn't have errors anymore 17:12 wizzyrea who was it that helped with that script to update? he was polish 17:13 wizzyrea super nice guy, and I CANNOT remember his name 17:13 wizzyrea ah ok will fetch french too. 17:14 * wizzyrea resolves to get a master script that does all of the manuals 17:14 nengard that would be ideal :) 17:14 nengard of course only English and French are actively being worked on 17:14 cait Ropuch 17:14 nengard I have volunteers for the others but they're not actually working on it yet - not that I cna see 17:14 wizzyrea YES 17:14 wizzyrea thanks you 17:14 cait nengard: guilty 17:14 nengard :) hehe 17:15 cait and I have to go through this ssh key thing again :( 17:15 nengard cait actually you just send gmcharlt the same thing you sent hdl 17:15 gmcharlt kmkale: no, it hasn't shown up 17:15 nengard you don't have ot do it again 17:15 nengard that's what i ddi 17:15 nengard did 17:15 nengard I can't type today 17:15 cait me too :) 17:16 nengard cait if you'd rather you can always start the edits and just email me the file once in a while and i'll take care of the git part 17:16 cait spend all free time on distance study and no time at work for translating the manual right now 17:16 nengard got it! 17:16 nengard no prob 17:16 kmkale gmcharlt: how do I test my git-email setup? 17:16 cait but we will write some German documentation for serials soon and put it in our wiki 17:17 cait nengard: thx -will remember you :) never pushed to a git repo 17:17 nengard send us the link when it's done and I'll add it to the 'Other docs' page on the site 17:17 nengard cait of course you do have to pull the files down from the repo before starting 17:17 gmcharlt kmkale: first let's try testing your basic mail config 17:17 gmcharlt try the following 17:17 gmcharlt cat README |mailx -s "test message" gmcharlt@gmail.com 17:18 gmcharlt where README is any text file that is OK for me to see 17:18 kmkale k 17:18 cait http://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=l-team:koha:koha-handbuch:start 17:18 cait it still needs a ton of work and updates 17:19 cait we dont explain configuration and its a bit special because its for ourl ibraries that use our union catalog for cataloging, not koha 17:19 chris_n zico kmkale: the issue with barcodes has as its root a fundamental problem with how the pdf standard handles glifs, etc. The code in the perl modules could be fixed, but it will take a great deal of time 17:19 cait nengard: pull is no problem, I already figured out how to do that :) 17:19 kmkale gmcharlt: 17:19 kmkale The program 'mailx' can be found in the following packages: 17:19 * chris_n wonders if it would not be better to write a module to handle printing from koha rather than having the browser do it, but that presents issues as well 17:19 kmkale * heirloom-mailx 17:19 kmkale * mailutils 17:19 kmkale Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package> 17:20 kmkale chris_n: i remember reading its a problem of some perl module Koha uses so its really deeper than Koha. correct? 17:21 chris_n both to some extent, but the standard is the more costly problem 17:21 zico chris_n kmkale: is there any option to handle this? 17:21 zico i mean.. we have 10,000 Bangla books in our library, many of them are really rare! 17:21 zico so.. it is very necessary for us 17:21 chris_n atz and I had some conversation on this awhile back on the list and the issues were presented there 17:22 chris_n zico: kmkale says kbarcode will do the trick 17:22 kmkale gmcharlt: I have sendmail running on localhost 17:22 gmcharlt kmkale: in that case, see what 17:22 gmcharlt sudo mailq 17:22 gmcharlt tells you 17:22 chris_n zico: I've never used it and it requires some extra leg work as I understand, but many do use it 17:22 kmkale k 17:23 chris_n zico: search the list archives 17:23 kmkale gmcharlt: both client and MTA ques empty with total requests zero 17:24 zico kbarcode?? as far as i can understand.. this is third party software from kde.. right? 17:24 kmkale zico: correct 17:25 gmcharlt kmkale: ok, try installing mailutils and do the mailx 17:25 kmkale gmcharlt: i have just installed mailx from mailutils and sent a mail with the cat command you gave 17:25 gmcharlt kmkale: ok, I"ll let you know if I get it 17:25 kmkale gmcharlt: please and thanks.. 17:32 gmcharlt kmkale: hasn't shown up; I'll ping you if it does, but I suspect that it got hung up somehwere 17:33 zico chris_n: can u please bring me any link regarding this pdf issue? i searched with "pdf + bangla language" in mailing archive 17:33 gmcharlt in meantime, you can sftp your patch off your server, then send it to the patches list as an attachment 17:33 zico but, didnot find anything 17:36 kmkale gmcharlt: I have attached it to the bug report for bug 4440 17:36 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts 17:39 chris_n zico: http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha.org/msg02764.html (note it is still a low priority project for me) 17:48 vickiteal Hey folks. I have another meeting prior to the community handoff meeting. I hope to be back, but may be late. 18:25 nengard gmcharlt do you know if the template for the patron privacy setting has been pushed yet? 18:25 gmcharlt nengard: not yet, it's on my list 18:25 nengard no prob - just making sure I'm not missing it 18:26 owen What setting blocks the librarian from checking out to a patron with XX amount in fines? 18:27 owen nm, found it: noissuescharge 18:35 owen I have a question about uploading a barcode file to batch item mod 18:35 owen What format is expected? 18:35 owen One barcode per line? 18:35 owen CSV? 18:36 chris one barcode per line 18:36 owen Hi chris. Neither one is working for me 18:37 chris if you just type in the box, one barcode per line .. it does though? 18:37 owen Yes 18:38 owen Let me test in an unmodified branch before I go crying wolf. 18:38 * owen has been tweaking the template 18:39 owen No, same results 18:40 chris the code does look like it expects one barcode per line 18:40 chris ahh actually 18:41 chris do you have radio buttons to choose the type of file? 18:41 owen Yes 18:42 chris and barcode file is chosen eh? 18:42 owen Yes 18:43 chris right im out of silly questions 18:44 cait not sure I can stay awake till meeting time 18:45 chris :( 18:45 cait will try :) 18:45 owen Itemnumber upload works fine 18:45 cait just very tired 18:45 nengard it did work in a previous version because I did it for documentation 18:46 chris ohhh interesting owen 18:46 * chris_n hands cait coffee 18:46 cait thx chris_n 18:51 chris nengard: can you remember about when you tested it? 18:51 owen Hmmm... Making items "lost" through the batch mod interface doesn't remove them from the patron's account and add a charge 18:51 nengard months ago 18:51 nengard when it first was added 18:51 nengard owen - sounds like a not good bug to me 18:51 owen Yeah :( 18:52 chris yep, that needs a bug filed 18:52 chris_n regressions-- 18:53 hdl_laptop chris_n: it is not a regression on a feature. It is a lack of specification in what "marking item lost" should do 18:54 kmkale gmcharlt: i found smtp connectoins from my ip are being refused by both gmail and yahoo ( correctly :( as its a dsl connection) thats may be why it never reached you. 18:54 owen there is an established outcome based on the behavior of the interface on moredetail.pl 18:55 gmcharlt kmkale: sound likely; you'll have to find somebody to relay mail for you 18:55 chris_n hdl_laptop: I was referring to the fact the upload of a barcode file worked at one time and now does not 18:56 kmkale gmcharlt: but now that I am trying to put in my company smtp server details in git config and do git send-email I get a Command unknown: 'AUTH' at /usr/lib/git-core/git-send-email line 981, <FIN> line 4. 18:56 hdl_laptop owen: Is this behaviour "centralised" in C4/Items.pm ? 18:56 kmkale any hint? 18:56 chris_n kmkale: could it be your isp blocking those ports? 18:56 hdl_laptop Is it also done on additem.pl ? 18:57 hdl_laptop coherence problem 18:57 hdl_laptop -- 18:57 kmkale chris_n : no I can telnet and get the standard smtp greeting 18:57 kmkale any hints on " Command unknown: 'AUTH' at /usr/lib/git-core/git-send-email line 981, <FIN> line 4. " ?? 18:58 DRULM Hello. 18:58 DRULM Starting at 3pm I assume. 18:58 chris_n kmkale: not sure on that one 18:58 gmcharlt DRULM: correct 18:58 owen hdl_laptop: True, when setting the status via the additem interface I don't have the same expectation 18:58 larsw kmkale, http://freerelay.err.no/ may also be useful for relaying purposes 18:59 hdl_laptop owen: why so ? 18:59 sekjal I'm doing some enhancements of Auth_with_ldap which require another perl module to be installed. it is fortunately debian packaged. where else should I update this information besides install-misc/debian.packages? 19:00 gmcharlt sekjal: about.pl, Makefile.PL 19:00 gmcharlt at least until chris_n finishes his Koha dependency registry 19:01 owen hdl_laptop: It's entirely subjective, sloppy reasoning probably. 19:01 sekjal thanks, gmcharlt. on it! 19:01 owen hdl_laptop: Setting a lost status should have the same effect anywhere unless the interface offers alternatives 19:02 nengard owen i get is - if i'm adding an item why would it be lost? and if i'm adding a lost item to the collection for some strange reason then i can assume that it's not checked out by a patron 19:02 chris_n kmkale: the only thing I find suggests just setting sendmail.smtpserver and nothing else 19:02 chris_n ie. let it prompt you for your un/passwd 19:02 larsw sekjal, you could also patch debian/control with the new dependency 19:03 gmcharlt looks like it's 19:00 UTC+0 19:03 hdl_laptop nengard: additem.pl can be used also as a update 19:03 gmcharlt so let's get starte 19:03 hdl_laptop hi 19:03 gmcharlt page for meeting is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10may04 19:03 gmcharlt current agenda is 19:03 gmcharlt 1. 19:03 gmcharlt Welcomes and introductions. 19:03 gmcharlt 2. 19:03 gmcharlt Report on Subcommittee 19:03 gmcharlt 3. 19:03 gmcharlt Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains. 19:03 gmcharlt 4. 19:03 gmcharlt Possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations. 19:03 gmcharlt 5. 19:03 gmcharlt Next issues if negotiations have concluded. 19:03 gmcharlt 6. 19:03 gmcharlt Agree time of next meeting. 19:03 gmcharlt so let's start with roll-call 19:03 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2 release manager, Equinox 19:03 * owen = Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library 19:03 * nengard = Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions & Documentation Manager 19:03 magnus_away Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 19:03 Nate Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions 19:04 * wizzyrea Liz Rea Northeast Kansas Library System 19:04 chris_n chris_n = Chris Nighswonger, 3.2 release maintainer, FBC 19:04 sekjal Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions 19:04 Colin Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd. 19:04 vickiteal Vicki Teal Lovely, South Central Library System, Madison, WI 19:04 * reed Reed Wade, Catalyst, IT, NZ 19:04 * chris = Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, 3.2 translation manager, 3.4 Release manager 19:04 * hdl_laptop 3.0 release maintainer, BibLibre 19:04 jransom phew .. 19:04 vokalr vokalr = Richard Pritsky, Tech Director, vokal 19:04 DRULM Darrell Ulm, SMFPL 19:04 jransom Joann Ransom. Horowhenua Library Trust 19:04 * cait Katrin Fischer, Germany 19:04 * larsw = Lars Wirzenius, Catalyst IT, NZ, currently working on Koha Debian packaging 19:04 collum Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library, KY 19:05 * robin-home is robin sheat @ catalyst it, helping Chris 19:05 cm Cindy Murdock Ames, CCFLS 19:06 ksundin kelly sundin, california institute of integral studies 19:06 rhcl Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 19:07 chris Bob Birchall sends his apologies 19:07 joetho Joe Tholen -Tech Coordinator - SEKLS - Kansas 19:08 johnindy John Long Net admin Independence Public Library- kansas 19:08 gmcharlt thanks 19:08 gmcharlt latecomers feel free to chime in with intros 19:08 kmkale Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation and Granthalaya.org 19:09 gmcharlt next agenda item: 19:09 gmcharlt 2. Report on Subcommittee 19:09 jransom th eblog post on the koha-community.org site was fairly complete 19:09 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/hlt-koha-committee-report-on-discussions-with-ptfs/ 19:11 jransom I'm happy to answer any questions people have 19:11 DRULM Any progress, or still the same? 19:11 jransom as I'm the entire committee is - we acted together throughout, agreeing on words and courses of action 19:12 jransom no contact other than Kelly's post which I fear was very poorly judged 19:13 jransom can someone postthe link to that one here toplease 19:13 nengard http://www.liblime.com/news/liblime-thoughts 19:13 reed is there anyone here who can speak for PTFS? 19:14 owen PTFS doesn't speak for itself on IRC 19:14 genji greetings all 19:14 chris genji: we are in the community meeting so you might like to intro yourself 19:15 richard sorry, for being late - richard from katipo 19:15 genji uh... drat.... when did it start? 19:15 chris 13 mins ago 19:15 genji wheres the log? 19:15 jransom http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-04 for what you've missed 19:15 genji Thanks. 19:16 owen No questions for jransom? 19:16 nengard sounds to me the posts in question answer both the 1st & 2nd agenda items 19:16 nengard both were very clear 19:16 jransom ok - well I guess thats the report from the cubcom done 19:16 * owen agrees 19:16 joetho The failed conference call was unfortunate. 19:17 chris for the record the nz tm application still is in place, ie has not been withdrawn .. so nothing has changed 19:17 joetho However, it seemed doomed from the start. 19:17 owen PTFS failed to agree to terms for a call which would maintain openness, as I understand it 19:17 genji Hi, Im Waylon Robertson, 33rd committer to Koha, currently developer for mandumah.com, an arabic digital archive library. 19:17 jransom I increasingly felt that it would be counter productive 19:18 rhcl so what, if anything, does the community need to do at this point? 19:18 chris release alpha2 19:18 joetho It seemed that way to me too, as an outsider looking in. 19:18 chris oh wait, we just did 19:18 owen I appreciate all who refused to sign an NDA just they could talk to PTFS 19:18 chris :) 19:18 chris_n +1 19:18 nengard +1 19:18 wizzyrea +! 19:18 genji ... 19:18 wizzyrea +1, even 19:18 joetho The NDA was ridiculous. 19:19 genji NDA, just so one could talk? 19:19 vokalr +! 19:19 chris i think it needs to be stated the NDA was prior to the conference call 19:19 chris that was with individual people 19:19 chris in discussions going back months 19:19 joetho but - moving forward - how to deal with this? 19:19 gmcharlt correct, the NDA was not meant as a condition for discussion between PTFS and the Koha subcommitee collecitvely 19:20 chris i was only semi joking when i said release alpha2 19:20 joetho initiate communication between PTFS CEO and ... _____________ (who?) 19:20 nengard I'm with Chris - to move forward we just do - we continue to do what we're doing 19:20 nengard continue adding content to the new official site and keep working on pushing koha 3.2 out 19:21 joetho I wonder if it would help to have a single person attempt communication with the Koha trademark holder? 19:21 genji Well, it seems PTFS doesn't understand that Koha is biggerr than HLT? 19:21 rhcl Would somebody from NZ care to comment briefly on the meaning of PTFS's NZ trademark app? 19:21 jransom george: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-04 19:21 vickiteal I agree on moving forward, but also as Joanna posted, it was the Committee that canceled the call. 19:21 owen I agree... Koha will move forward without PTFS. But: Is there something more we can do to fight the trademark application? 19:21 chris Joann vickiteal 19:21 chris -a 19:21 vickiteal Sorry Joann! 19:21 jransom sorry - with goeorge on phone 19:22 joetho I think there is a process to contest trademark applications in the United States- something similar in NZ? 19:22 chris yes, the call was cancelled, i think we have been clear with the reasons why 19:22 jransom my apologies 19:22 jransom Georeg Sue is here now - Chair, HLT 19:22 owen Pointing at who canceled the call isn't helpful IMO 19:22 joetho agree w owen 19:22 chris_n and is beside the point as the reasoning was sound 19:22 chris joetho: if it is accepted in NZ 19:22 Nate Here in the US, assets held by indegenous (sp) cultures are held very close to those cultures 19:22 chris joetho: then we have 3 months to object 19:22 chilts oopse, missed the start ... Andrew Chilton, Catalyst IT :) 19:23 jransom we get to challenge the application 19:23 chris joetho: and we will 19:23 Nate so if the Maori were made aware of this application they may be interested in taking action 19:23 genji And have us in the papers... 19:23 jransom we have spoken to the Ministrty of Maori affairs already 19:23 Nate just a thought? 19:23 gmcharlt Nate: that is a standard part of NZ trademark review, as I understand 19:23 jransom yes it is 19:23 chris it would nice to not have to waste time and money 19:23 chris though 19:23 joetho irc log for today, current within a minute or two: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-04 19:24 genji trademark challenges are a popular thing to appear in the dominion post, especially david vs goliath, indigenous vs overseas use. 19:24 jransom Sharon thought it would be a very interesting story for Wired or some Tech magazine 19:24 chris yeah going after a small library trust in nz factor too .. it wont be good pres 19:24 chris s 19:25 joetho I would interpret the NZ trademark application as a very ominous sign of PTFS plans. 19:25 owen Anyone consider the possibility of challenging the trademark in the US as well? 19:25 jransom showing how an open source community and project can be the victim of a takeover by some corportae who wants it 19:25 * gmcharlt points out that the NZ trademark application was not made by PTFS 19:25 chris jransom: it cant be 19:25 chris thats the point 19:25 nengard owen if they only have 3 months in NZ to contest - I'm sure there is something similar here in the US 19:25 jransom I had an email from someone - its about $2kUSD to cghallenge 19:25 gmcharlt but by Metavore prior to the assumption of LibLime by PTFS 19:25 chris yep 19:25 rhcl agree with joetho 19:25 chris_n owen: SFLC was consulted on that 19:26 jransom so has PTFS 'purchased' that application or not 19:26 jransom and we will never know 19:26 genji when liblime brought Koha division... was there any sign that this could happen, before katipo? 19:26 jransom advice was a challenge would fail 19:26 joetho I was thinking of the US trademark issue this morning. Wondered how that relates to the general Koha license 19:26 rhcl thd was working with some OS people--and then that was put on hold 19:26 rhcl should that be restarted? 19:26 genji .. before katipo signed... sorry.. 19:26 chris_n SFLC thought the US trademark would not be succesfully challenged 19:27 jransom I have come round to thinking it doesn't matter. The koha community is fiercely defending our right to operate our project as we choose 19:27 joetho what about some other organization ALSO applying for the Koha tm in NZ ? 19:27 chris i agree, i think the ball is in ptfs' court 19:27 joetho that would certainly force the issue 19:27 jransom if PTFS threaten to sue us they look worse than they do (which cant be good for business) and we rename and keep moving forward 19:27 jransom the world will not stop turning 19:27 genji joetho: HLT already is. 19:27 vokalr Yes, that's what I'm wondering: what happens to us if they get a trademark? 19:28 chris vokalr: PTFS have US trademark already 19:28 jransom We have filed a counter application in NZ for Koha 19:28 vokalr And what does that do to us? 19:28 genji oh wait... in nz. sorry. 19:28 jransom we have used it for 10 years remember 19:28 * genji is half asleep.. 19:28 chris_n vokalr: not much 19:28 chris vokalr: nothing unless they try to enforce it 19:28 chris_n and even then it might be doubtful that enforcement on the koha project would be successful 19:29 jransom court of public opinion cricifys them 19:29 chris the way i see it, we need to stop thinking talking about ptfs/lek 19:29 vokalr And when they try to enforce it, does that mean we just have to change the name? 19:29 chris_n due to long-standing acceptance of usage by the trademark holder 19:29 jransom (did you like that spelling :) 19:29 chris and just continue to move on with koha-community.org 19:29 owen chris: I just want to make sure we're doing what we can on the remaining open fronts, like the TM. 19:29 larsw if PTFS does not enforce their US trademark against us, they risk losing the trademark; if they do enforce it, we may have to change the name, but PTFS gets lots of bad publicity, we get lots of sympathy; win/win 19:30 jransom ultimately we may which will be sad but not the end of the world 19:30 vokalr So it's bau. 19:30 richard i think so 19:30 wizzyrea the ultimate goal is to make great software, right? 19:30 wizzyrea regardless of the name? 19:30 joetho I am not particularly familiar with ins and outs of the GNU license, but *surely* there is some protection there? 19:30 jransom thats my thinking 19:30 sekjal now that the conference call is no longer happening, is communication between PTFS and the Committee staled? 19:30 vokalr The code is still open 19:30 chris sekjal: yes, there has been no further communicaton 19:30 joetho how about "Joe-ha"? 19:30 joetho I like it. 19:30 gmcharlt sekjal: at this point, yes, but we remain open to a discussion with PTFS 19:30 larsw joetho, GPL provides no protections related to trademarks 19:31 vickiteal I agree, isn't the code the important thing. 19:31 jransom pTFS are absolutely welcome to comunicate with the community as every other vendor does 19:31 vickiteal You have already established koha-community.org as a successful web site. 19:31 * chris_n hoped they might show up at this meeting 19:31 robin-home Remaining to "kia kaha" wouldn't be the end of the world:) 19:31 vokalr Whatever it changes to, I need it to start w/ a K so I don't have to change vokal 19:31 sekjal from the committee's point of view, what is required from PTFS to make a dialogue happen? 19:31 jransom lol 19:31 jransom I like it! 19:31 jransom kia kaha = be strong 19:31 rhcl kia is a korean kar. maybe not so good? 19:32 chris_n lol 19:32 rhcl trademark, and kia is not a very good car either 19:32 wizzyrea kaha = strong? 19:32 vokalr kaha! Yes! 19:32 joetho A name change seems drastic. 19:32 jransom we invited PTFS to try and agree on the things we could agree with via email 19:32 gmcharlt sekjal: written update on one of the top four issues - NZ traemark, for instance, could be easily disposed of 19:32 jransom too early i think 19:33 jransom i can't see what PTFS have to gain by alienating the entire koha world 19:33 rhcl really 19:33 genji i might say, that kia can be reused..... Koha itself has many trademarks under its name. its even a new zealand wine. 19:33 gmcharlt but in the meantime, I think focus should be on 3.2, then 3.4 19:33 chris ++ 19:33 wizzyrea ++ 19:33 hdl_laptop ++ 19:33 chris_n ++ 19:33 nengard ++ 19:33 larsw ++ 19:33 richard ++ 19:33 vokalr ++ 19:33 sekjal ++ 19:33 jransom I agree 19:33 wizzyrea < just wants to help make a great ILS 19:33 jransom we have been very honest with PTFS - not wasting their time. 19:33 jransom there are things we can talk about - and others we can't 19:34 jransom there are things which are bottom lines 19:34 nengard that said this meeting is supposed to be the handover meeting - so my question is - is the handover done? It seems that we have transferred what needs to be transferred 19:34 wizzyrea yea, status of other web presences? 19:34 wizzyrea k-c.org is up... what about the wiki/bugs/git? 19:34 gmcharlt git.koha-community.org is up and running 19:34 chris bugs.koha-community.org is up 19:34 gmcharlt seems to be stable, and has git statistics 19:34 nengard wiki.koha-community.org is up :) 19:35 jransom woo hoo 19:35 gmcharlt transition to that will just need instructions 19:35 wizzyrea well 19:35 owen Oh bugs are migrated too? 19:35 reed mailing list pages 19:35 chris i have done test migration 19:35 gmcharlt no, bugs are not yet migrated 19:35 jransom the new manual? 19:35 nengard manual has been up for a while 19:35 gmcharlt but will take a bit more organization to migrate 19:35 chris jransom: the new manual was done ages ago 19:35 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 19:35 jransom so what is left to transfer? 19:35 wizzyrea in english AND french ;) 19:35 chris the bugs are all backed up 19:35 sekjal contribs? 19:35 gmcharlt since we'll need to get user accounts set up 19:35 nengard and by done chris means in it's new home - but not completely written yet :) hehe 19:35 gmcharlt sekjal: contribs just needs a host, but is small 19:36 chris lists.koha-community.org points to a new biblibre host 19:36 wizzyrea we could probably do contribs on KLOW 19:36 wizzyrea if I can get a DNS name for it 19:36 wizzyrea as a sub site of k-c 19:36 chris we need a volunteer for download.koha-community.org 19:36 chris_n think bandwidth 19:36 * wizzyrea hides 19:37 richard i'll check with si to see what he thinks about that 19:37 gmcharlt I think we'll just need a relatively inexpensive FTP host 19:37 gmcharlt and perhaps mirrors on a couple conteintents 19:37 schuster David Schuster - Plano ISD 19:38 chris wizzyrea: i can do dns for ya 19:38 larsw what's download.koha-community.org for? the release tarballs? 19:38 chris larsw: yes 19:38 chris wizzyrea: talk after the meeting :) 19:38 hdl_laptop could be with debain packages 19:38 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: hosting is ready for the debina packages 19:39 chris ah yes debian.koha-community.org is being set up 19:39 genji as a true debian repository i can apt-get on? 19:39 chris yes 19:39 genji Sweet! 19:39 vokalr Yay! 19:40 larsw any idea of the bandwidth required for download.k-c.org? 19:40 chris not sure, ptfs could tell us :-) 19:40 chilts heh 19:41 joetho Invite support vendors to provide mirrors? 19:41 chris bandwidth is stupid expensive in nz 19:41 jransom Hi biglego, we are in a meeting. would you like to identify yourself 19:41 chris at lesat international transit is 19:41 larsw mirroring is good, but introduces complexity: start with one, then add mirrors if necessary? 19:41 fredericd Frédéric Demians, Tamil -- good evening, or so 19:42 gmcharlt larsw: makes sense 19:42 jransom we could invite vendors to host mirrors 19:42 Nate I will speak with Brendan about ByWater being of assistance if needed 19:42 jransom even 1 goes bad it doesn't matter 19:42 chris jransom: larsw just answered that :-) 19:42 gmcharlt to bring this meeting round again - I think we're getting situated regarding koha-community.org services 19:42 chris yep 19:42 brendan Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions (late to the show - but I've caught up) 19:43 gmcharlt and I should point out that the new websites are not just alternatives, but in many cases have additional or upgraded features from the current koha.org ones 19:43 chris_n it might be good to provide some email@koha-community.org for elected koha community positions 19:43 nengard like the bugs site no longer has the ugly bug on it :) hehe 19:43 hdl_laptop where is translate.koha-community.org ? 19:43 chris yeah bugs is a much newer versio 19:43 jransom (the new website is just great - kudos to all involved) 19:43 chris and accepts formated email 19:44 chris to update and create bugs 19:44 gmcharlt e.g., bugs.koha-community.org has the latest stable release of bugzilla, which ... drumroll ... had some scientific UI testing done on it 19:44 wizzyrea we could set up a google apps domain for that... it'd be free 19:44 chris_n yup 19:44 hdl_laptop up and running to. 19:44 Nate Have we spoken at all about the promotion of the new site? 19:44 chris yep, fredericd has been working on that hdl_laptop 19:44 Nate ie having funds set aside for marketing etc.. 19:44 hdl_laptop good 19:44 wizzyrea nate: not formally 19:44 gmcharlt Nate: usage is the best promotion 19:44 brendan gmcharlt++ #excellent point many of these services will be better with the upgrades to software 19:45 nengard Nate the new site is already on the 1st page of results on Google - a few more links to it and I bet it will move up :) 19:45 larsw link to the new site whenever mentioning Koha 19:45 wizzyrea yes, they have all gotten some much needed love 19:45 * wizzyrea has been watching fairly carefully the google analytics for k-c.org 19:45 wizzyrea and putzing about the webmaster tools 19:45 fredericd reversly, is there any service still on koha.org domain? wiki? 19:45 wizzyrea all are still up 19:46 schuster Do we need to "update" any of the documentation for entering enhancements or are the fields all ok etc. or has someone done that already? 19:46 reed there does need to be a short simple updated explanation so casual visitors can understand whys and whats between k.o and k-c.or 19:46 gmcharlt schuster: pointers will undoubted get updated as things get moved/copied over 19:46 wizzyrea like this: http://koha-community.org/home/ 19:47 chris_n shall I pursue setting up a google apps account for koha-community.org? 19:47 reed wizzyrea, yeah, I guess that is still correct and complete 19:47 brendan so when do we stop updating and posting to koha.org ? 19:47 wizzyrea a couple of months ago :P 19:47 chris the website? 19:47 brendan not the website but the different sub domains 19:47 wizzyrea oh, that, nm >.> 19:47 brendan like wiki or git 19:47 brendan of mailing lists 19:47 * sekjal is currently writing up a bug report on bugs.koha.org 19:47 brendan s/of/or 19:48 genji what would google apps give us? 19:48 wizzyrea we should set a cutoff date 19:48 brendan +1 19:48 chris_n +1 19:48 chris_n genji: to provide some email@koha-community.org for elected koha community positions 19:48 gmcharlt genji: not necessarily anything we need - just need overall mail service, but perhaps can tie off of biblibre's management of the mailng lists for that? 19:48 wizzyrea genji: in terms of email hosting? up to 50 accounts @ 7GB+ each 19:48 hdl_laptop wizzyrea: for koha.org services ? 19:48 schuster Do you have a timeframe for bugs.koha-community.org? Do we all have to reregister or??? 19:48 wizzyrea yea 19:49 genji ah... a replacement for domain hosted horde... 19:49 chris i can migrate bugs any time after users are registered (using the same email address as on koha.org) 19:49 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: yes We can do that. 19:49 wizzyrea so go do it... like, now. 19:49 larsw chris, can you post an announcement to get people to register? 19:50 wizzyrea :) 19:50 chris can do, people agree that is a good idea? 19:50 wizzyrea +1 19:50 chris_n +1 19:50 owen +1 19:50 vokalr It just took me 30 seconds to register. 19:50 cait what happens with bugs people do not reregister for? 19:50 vokalr +1 19:50 chris i can do an announcement on the website and the mailing lists (koha + devel) 19:50 nengard +1 (but I'd wait until all the content is moved - and we're supposed to start using it) 19:50 sekjal +1 19:50 chris cait: they get assigned to me 19:50 Nate +1 19:50 joetho will there be a problem with developers registering with a different email address than they used for old bugs? 19:50 chris so please dont let that happen 19:50 gmcharlt +1 19:50 cait chris: ah, ok 19:50 chris joetho: if they do, their bugs get assigned to me 19:50 gmcharlt joetho: the old email addresses will need to be used for the migration, but can be changed afterwards 19:50 chris and i yell at them 19:51 * chilts is collecting all the subdomains mentioned -> http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/498acf 19:51 * chris_n sees chris's list getting big :) 19:51 chilts so I know more ;) 19:51 hdl_laptop +1 19:51 wizzyrea (you don't want that) 19:51 wizzyrea (chris yelling at you) 19:51 chris hehe 19:51 schuster Let me know if there is something I can help you with chris. 19:52 chris theres plenty ptfs customers can do 19:52 chris and i think they know what it is :) 19:52 chris_n chilts: mail.koha-community.org perhaps 19:52 genji who gets koha-community.org emails? 19:52 gmcharlt schuster: you might want to ahve a go at checking out the new BZ now - there are some features that I think you'll like 19:52 wizzyrea ^^ 19:52 * reed heads to the train 19:52 schuster I just registered.. 19:52 wizzyrea was thinking of you when I saw it schuster 19:52 chris cool :) 19:52 chris try out the sponsorship stuff 19:53 chris beware any bugs you put there, i will trash in the migraton 19:53 chris so dont put real stuff there yet 19:53 wizzyrea so yea, we probably do need to update docs re: sponsoring 19:53 schuster k - and several of us PTFS customers are doing what we can as you know. 19:53 chris *nod* 19:53 wizzyrea ^^ 19:53 chris that was a general statement 19:54 chris not directed at anyone in particular 19:54 vickiteal Is there going to be a place to list events other than the calendar? 19:54 gmcharlt vickiteal: there could be - what kind of place do you have in mind? 19:54 nengard why do we need more than one place?e 19:54 chris they all show in the events category 19:54 chris http://koha-community.org/category/events/ 19:55 chris like that vickiteal ? 19:55 wizzyrea < is happy to do (almost) whatever anybody wants 19:55 vickiteal I'm gonna have to think about what I want! Right now, you click on a date, right? 19:55 wizzyrea not necessarily 19:55 wizzyrea you can also click on Events under categories 19:55 nengard there is an RSS feed and a category page as well 19:56 vickiteal Thanks. I'll look around. 19:56 chris http://koha-community.org/category/events/feed/ <-- rss feed for events 19:56 nengard as for the new sites, do we just wait for an announcement before we start to use them? git and bugs etc etc 19:57 vickiteal Thanks Chris. 19:57 chris i thnk wiki start now 19:57 chris git start now 19:57 nengard gmcharlt said we need instructions for git 19:58 chris yeah if you dont know how to change remotes 19:58 gmcharlt nengard: well, more that people in general will need instructions, but those who are already git experts will be fine 19:58 nengard ah 19:58 jransom A post to the discussion list and on the new k-c.org listing all the services now up and running sounds it might be a good idea 19:58 wizzyrea update the git documentation 19:58 wizzyrea because it's mighty fine git documentation 19:58 robin-home Sounds like a good use of the new wiki 19:59 wizzyrea shame to waste it ;) 19:59 chris ill do a post about bugs when i get to work 19:59 schuster Is there anything in the new wiki? looks pretty blank? 19:59 wizzyrea nope, nothing in it yet 19:59 nengard schuster nothing there yet 19:59 wizzyrea or very little 19:59 richard i think it's just there and ready to put stuff into 19:59 gmcharlt schuster: yep, that's on purpose - part of the reason for doing it that way is to ensure that all wiki content is under the GPL2 19:59 larsw is there a grand plan for the new wiki content,or should we just add things ad hoc? 19:59 chris what richard said 19:59 nengard larsw i'd love to see some structure 20:00 schuster So the minutes/agendas from this meeting for example should go there and then maybe a link from the old meeting site on the old wiki? 20:00 nengard personally 20:00 gmcharlt larsw: well, absent somebody else volunteering to be the wiki editor, I'd say just go for it 20:00 * chris_n thinks thd was doing wiki engineering 20:00 gmcharlt thd had volunteered, but doesn't have much time at the moment 20:00 larsw nengard, do you have an outline for the structure? 20:00 gmcharlt afaik 20:00 owen chris_n: What does that mean? 20:00 nengard I don't mind putting structure to the wiki 20:00 wizzyrea well and there was that whole namespace discussion from a while back 20:00 nengard larsw I don't have one yet 20:00 nengard but I'll gladly add wiki editor to my doc manager duties 20:01 gmcharlt nengard++ 20:01 * wizzyrea doesn't know the details but it was quite an involved deal 20:01 chris_n owen: aka working on setting up wiki structure 20:01 brendan nengard++ 20:01 wizzyrea I will help out with that, nengard 20:01 schuster She must be a librarian that nengard... 20:01 nengard if no one has any objects I'll start working on creating some top level pages for people to move content too 20:01 chris_n it does seem to naturally fall to nengard's realm :) 20:01 schuster Always wanting structure... 20:01 wizzyrea to help maintain continuity between the website and the wiki 20:02 chris_n wizzyrea++ 20:02 wizzyrea and reduce duplication of effort >.> 20:02 chilts chris: is this the current state of usage? http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/db9485 20:02 gmcharlt reminder: ping me if you need shell access to the wiki server 20:02 * chilts hopes that helps 20:02 chris yes 20:02 chris that does help 20:02 chris contrib 20:02 chris is the other one 20:03 wizzyrea contribs, yea 20:03 * chilts adds 20:03 chilts is that a 'use now' one? 20:03 wizzyrea no, it's not ready 20:03 wizzyrea haven't even started it 20:03 chris ditto for shell access to the bugzilla server 20:03 chris ping me 20:03 larsw chilts, add that to the wiki? someone can then add exlanations for the purpose of each domain 20:03 chilts heh 20:03 chilts larsw: good idea :) 20:03 wizzyrea very good idea 20:03 wizzyrea very glad you're on our team larsw :) 20:03 * chilts goes in search of the wiki ... lol! 20:04 chilts it's kinda self-recursion :) 20:04 gmcharlt ok, so to bring this meeting to a close 20:04 gmcharlt is there a current need to schedule another meeting? 20:04 chris i dont think so 20:04 chris_n seems not 20:05 gmcharlt or leave it until circumstances change? 20:05 chris_n +1 20:05 magnus_away +1 20:05 jransom if anything changes we can all a meeting 20:05 richard +1 20:05 hdl_laptop +1 20:05 jransom +1 20:05 owen +1 20:05 rhcl +1 20:05 brendan +1 20:05 cait +1 20:05 vokalr +1 20:05 collum +1 20:05 chris the rest can be discussed in the regular meetings 20:05 Nate +1 20:05 joetho Here's hoping for good news. 20:05 schuster +1 - hope springs eternal. 20:05 Colin +1 20:05 joetho +1 20:05 gmcharlt ok, so noted 20:05 vickiteal But, the door is open for further negotiation if both PTFS and the community agrees, right? 20:05 gmcharlt vickiteal: yes 20:06 chris i think ptfs are smart enough that they will do the right thing 20:06 joetho absolutely 20:06 chris vickiteal: it was never closed 20:06 vickiteal Also, the koha.org issue is separate from development, right? 20:06 gmcharlt vickiteal: entirely separate 20:06 chilts hmm, I wonder if the front page is ok for that domain list? 20:06 chris not by us, the same mechanisms that have served everyone else for 11 years are all still there 20:06 vickiteal OK. Thanks. 20:06 GeorgeSue thanks guys for all your inport:) 20:06 gmcharlt any issues concerning LLEK are in the hands of PTFS and its customers at this point 20:06 joetho Renaming seems drastic, to me, but it would certainly resolve a few issues 20:06 gmcharlt I for one encourage release of it 20:07 chris_n +1 20:07 joetho +1 20:07 gmcharlt but development of mainstream Koha will go on regardless 20:07 chris i wouldnt support renaming unless forced to 20:07 * magnus waves "good night" to the wonderful Koha-crowd 20:07 jransom me neither 20:07 chris as an nzer of maori descent i find the propsect quite appalling 20:07 joetho ok, define "forced to" 20:07 chris trademark action is taken against us libraries or us support companies 20:08 vickiteal My opinion, renaming is very premature. 20:08 vokalr Agree 20:08 jransom I agree absoluitely. 20:08 chris and we get advice that we would lose the case 20:08 jransom will be up to PTFS to make that happen 20:08 jransom but there is no win for them long term so why would they? 20:08 joetho And just how deep are their pockets for a suit like that? 20:08 chris_n joetho: there are organization who provide legal counsel to foss projects for things like that as well 20:09 chris_n at no charge 20:09 * chris_n must go vote (if only to secure whining rights) 20:09 vickiteal I think talk of a suit is premature as well, my opinion. 20:09 chris yeah, renaming is off the table barring circumstances changing imho 20:09 gmcharlt vickiteal: agreed - no reason to invite trouble 20:09 * wizzyrea likes the name we have 20:09 joetho The vendor in question *may* be pondering these issues at this very moment. 20:09 gmcharlt in any event, I declare this meeting closed 20:09 vokalr I don't think it would be a good business decision on their part 20:09 schuster Remember PTFS didn't actually file it originally... They have a lot on their plate to deal with and figure out what is going on... 20:10 jransom of course - but PTFS are not stupid. 20:10 joetho Schuster: I agree. Talk about "buying a pig in a poke" 20:10 chris schuster: 19 days now .. 20 min phone call to get it pulled 20:10 chris (the nz one that is) 20:10 chilts links on front page -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page 20:10 jransom its probably 2 min phone call 20:10 schuster Thanks all - look forward to the meeting tomorrow. Thanks for all the hard work on the 3.2(alpha2) 20:10 chilts looks nice 20:10 chris that excuse only stretches so far 20:11 jransom Great working with everyone - thanks all :) 20:11 vokalr Ciao! 20:11 owen Thanks jransom 20:11 joetho 3.2 release is a pretty significant step forward. 20:11 chris http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/tags.html 20:11 chris 619 committs since alpha1 20:11 chris great work all 20:11 joetho And it represents billions of hours of work for which all of us are grateful., 20:12 * owen has contributed at least 1 billion hours just today 20:12 genji so, chris, mandumah finally said yes to upgrading from 3rc1. So... whats my highest version to go to, 3.05? or something else? 20:12 chilts heh 20:12 brendan owen+ 20:12 brendan owen++ 20:12 * wizzyrea wonders what kind of quantum parallel universe Owen lives in 20:12 chris maybe hold off for 3.2 release? 20:13 chris but 3.0.5 is the latest stable 20:13 cm owen has a Time-Turner? ;) 20:13 owen Man, I wish 20:14 owen I'd sleep until morning and turn it back for another night's sleep 20:14 chris heh 20:14 cm a tardis would be cooler. :) but i'd take either. 20:14 * robin-home gets out of bed to hopefully get that migration script completed today (IRC meetings are handy :) 20:15 genji right.. well... i can get my mods and my predecessors mods to 3rc1, gitted and then i can rebase, to 3.05... and later, i can just git to 3.2? 20:15 gmcharlt genji: yep 20:15 * chilts gets up too 20:15 chris yep time to get up and go to work 20:15 chilts heh 20:15 richard heh 20:16 genji So... how do i get my mods into my own 3rc1, so i can rebase? 20:16 cait time to sleep here :) 20:16 gmcharlt genji: are you starting from a git clone? 20:16 cait good night all 20:16 * chris heads off 20:17 jransom oh good lord - why doidn't i do that! i got up at in the middle of the night - harrassed 3 sleepy children out of bed and into showers since they have to make their own lunches and walk to the bus stop then drove like a mad woman into work. Its so friggin cold I'm wrapped in a balnket because it was still dark and I dressedwrongly for the weather :) 20:17 chilts :( 20:17 chilts it's warming up now though :) 20:17 jransom will go and stand in a patch of sunlight in the carpark outside I think 20:18 chilts good plan 20:18 * chilts waves goodbye for now 20:18 jransom cya 20:18 genji gmcharlt: its laid out correctly, like a git clone yes. but it did not have any git info before i did a git fetch of 3rc1, then copied the files over. 20:19 genji whats the first patch since 3rc1? how can i test that indeed, i have 3rc1 and not a later release? 20:19 schuster jransom - wireless laptop sitting in bed... good idea... ;) 20:20 robin-home jransom: yeah that's the wrong way to do it:) I just lay in bed with my phone connected to IRC. 20:21 genji hm... i could of sat in bed with my wifi pda... but I wouldn't of been able to respond. 20:22 genji gmcharlt: ? 20:26 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/index.php/Bug_Reporting_Guidelines 20:26 wizzyrea it's one of my pets. :P 20:27 genji gmcharlt: hello? 20:37 gmcharlt ebegin: pong 20:37 gmcharlt ack, sorry 20:37 gmcharlt genji: pong 20:37 ebegin gmcharlt, yes^ 20:37 genji gmcharlt: did you see my response? 20:37 gmcharlt ebegin: sorry, didn't mean to ping you 20:38 ebegin :) np 20:38 gmcharlt genji: I had stepped out; anyway, you can do is to make a new git clone of 3rc1 20:38 gmcharlt copy your production version over 20:38 gmcharlt do a git diff 20:38 gmcharlt and start organizing your local customizations into a set of commits on the cline 20:39 gmcharlt once you've got that situation, you can then try rebasing against the current 3.0.x head 20:39 genji okay.... im not even sure how to commit. 20:46 gmcharlt genji: ah, have you used git at all? 20:46 genji only to fetch 20:46 genji to show.. 20:47 genji and to log. 20:47 genji yea.. basically.. read only functionality. 20:47 gmcharlt ok - first step will be a perusal of http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 20:48 gmcharlt particularly the 'for developers sectoin' 20:48 gmcharlt how extensive are your customizations? 20:48 genji ah.... this isn't good... 3rc1 is 3.00 00 094? 20:49 gmcharlt yep 20:50 genji yet i have a side by side view of 094 and our install of koha.... 094 is supposed to have, under modbiblio "Exported function (core API) etc" but our install has the full explaination of Modbiblio. 20:56 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: bug fix sent for translatability 20:58 wizzyrea please look this over 20:58 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/index.php/Version_Control_Using_Git#Browse_Git 20:58 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: C4/Languages.pm is a real nightmare. 21:00 wizzyrea those links to the git repos are going to be wrong I think 21:02 genji gmcharlt: so.... how do i find out what version of koha i have? 094 doesn't match..... whens the last time that modbiblio had "Exported' under it? 21:03 gmcharlt genji: what does kohaversion.pl say? 21:04 genji 094 21:05 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: But will try and send folllowup on previous patch for C4/Languages.pm 21:05 genji does every git commit, change kohaversion.pl? 21:05 russ gmcharlt: did you get my email? i kept getting bounces when trying to send to your work address 21:06 chris_n a C4 module that's a nightmare? you don't say. ;-) 21:06 * wizzyrea explodes into a million pieces 21:06 wizzyrea did somebody say C4? 21:08 hdl_laptop chris_n: hehe 21:08 gmcharlt russ: no 21:08 gmcharlt are you using gmc@esilibrary.com ? 21:09 russ i'll try that now 21:13 gmcharlt russ: I have it now 21:15 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: is systempreferences.pl still in use in 3.2? 21:16 russ gmcharlt: cheers 21:16 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: it's not linked to anything, but at the moment it's the only way to add local-use sysprefs 21:16 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: it looks like it has not been deleted. 21:16 gmcharlt so may need to stick aroudn for that purpose 21:17 hdl_laptop duplication of tools ---- 21:17 gmcharlt until we have a fix for bug 3756 21:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, P5, ---, pianohacker@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference 21:17 genji gmcharlt: so... why is my 094 modbiblio, different from 094? it seems like its description is from a later version...... maybe copied.. or maybe its a later version? 21:17 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I agree 3756 is really really serious 21:17 gmcharlt genji: hard to say, you could have a slightly post-RC1 version 21:18 genji when did modbiblio start deleting any item fields from incoming records to avoid duplication? 21:19 genji ah.. another difference.... in GetBiblioitemdata.. a bug was fixed.,... from " biblio left join biblioitems on biblio.biblionumber =bibioitems.bibioitemnumber' to the correct" biblioitems.biblionumber" 21:22 hdl_laptop But then, should we release the code with both preference.pl and systempreferences ? 21:22 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: yes, or perhaps strip out most of systempreference.pl, make it handle *only* local-use sysprefs, and rename it to sysprefs_local.pl or the like 21:23 gmcharlt kmkale: looks like you fixed your git-send-email problem 21:25 chris_n maybe we could write a parser module to update the yaml syspref files? 21:26 chris_n thus allowing local sysprefs to be added 21:26 gmcharlt chris_n: I'm uncomfortable about adding a feature that writes to the filesystem so late into 3.2 21:27 chris_n I was thinking more for 3.4 21:32 chris back 21:33 Nate gnight #koha 21:35 genji how do i walk the git, to find out what version of Biblio.pm matches the one i have? 21:40 chris i bet you have local changes, so no version matches it 21:41 genji hmm... i mean.. some parts of Biblio.pm seem like they are from a later version of koha. 21:41 genji koha 3rc1 has "Exported (core api)..." as the description for modbiblio sub. 21:41 genji but my supposed koha 3rc1 has the actual description. 21:42 genji so.. when was the description, added to modbiblio? 21:44 hdl_laptop gitk could helpyou 21:45 gmcharlt genji: that change was made between 3.0-rc1 and 3.0.0 21:46 genji so, its possible that i might have 3 final? 21:47 gmcharlt check your db revision 21:47 gmcharlt if it's 3.00.00.107, you likely have 3.0.0 final 21:47 genji 094 it says in kohaversion.pl 21:48 gmcharlt sounds like it's in some state between rc1 and final, then 21:48 genji do i really need to find out exactly what the last commit was? 21:50 gmcharlt not necessarily, but it would help in order to figure exactly which files you had customized 21:50 gmcharlt unless you have a logbook or something you can refer to 21:53 genji okay... hmm.. 21:53 genji when was 3rc1 released? 21:53 genji or gitmarked? 22:02 larsw could someone give me the url to the log of the meeting earlier? 22:03 joetho http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today 22:03 larsw thanks 22:06 chris is someone doing minutes?