Time Nick Message 00:21 chris_n 'evening 00:21 brendan heys chris_n 00:22 chris heya chris_n 00:22 chris_n how's monday looking chris :) 00:22 * chris_n likes to know in advance 00:23 chris not too bad 00:23 chris slightly overcast 00:29 chris_n I've been working on C4::Installer::PerlModules to handle all of the perl dep foo 00:30 chris oh cool 00:32 chris_n yeah, the big thing is it gives us a single point for adding deps 00:32 chris_n rather than having to keep up with multiple locations 00:33 chris_n but you can do other things too, like invoke the required method to see what deps are required and what are optional 00:34 chris_n or the version_info method to see what versions are required vs what are installed 00:38 brendan that will be nice to have 02:28 mason gmcharlt: about for a MARC::File q? 02:29 gmcharlt ? 02:29 mason my $file2 = MARC::File::USMARC->in( '22.marc' ); 02:29 mason $file2->write( $marc); 02:30 mason 1 tic... 02:31 mason main::(./11.pl:27): $file2->write( $marc); 02:31 mason DB<1> 02:31 mason Method write must be overridden at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File.pm line 156. 02:31 mason sorry, about the pasting.. 02:32 mason so, Q is.. whats the syntax to 'Writes a record to the output file. This method must be overridden in your subclass.'? 02:32 gmcharlt MARC::File::XML is the only subclass that implements write() 02:32 mason ive had a google, but cant find any decent examples :/ 02:33 gmcharlt if you're just writing ISO2709 records to a file 02:33 gmcharlt just open an ordinary filehande and do 02:33 gmcharlt print $fh $marc->as_usmarc() 02:34 mason aaah ta, ive done this* many* times, but im having a little silly-spell 02:35 mason thanks again :) 02:54 chris_n g'night all 03:40 Amit_G heya brendan, chris 03:40 Amit_G Good morning #koha 03:43 chris hi Amit_G 03:44 brendan hiya Amit_G 04:12 kware hello eveyone 04:14 chris hi kware 04:42 Amit_G heya darling_ 04:42 darling_ hey 07:26 kf good morning #koha 07:27 Amit_G heya kf 07:28 kf hi Amit_g 07:36 chris hi kf 07:37 kf hi chris 07:38 kf will set up virual box with koha on my computer at work today :) 07:39 CGI949 hi there 07:40 CGI949 i need some info about koha data convert 07:40 CGI949 anyone can help me ? 07:40 kf chris: is it git.koha-community.org now? 07:40 kf CGI949: just ask your question, if somebody here can help they will answer 07:41 CGI949 ok 07:42 CGI949 i wana convert ISO file from my database to koha database , what steps should i do for it ? 07:45 Kivutar CGI949: use bulkmarcimport.pl 07:45 kf Im not sure what ISO format is. Koha can work with MARC21 and UNIMARC, you have to choose during install. For item information Koha uses field 952. You need a, b, p, and x there. 07:46 Kivutar i think he means iso2709 07:46 chris kf: at the moment both work, but ive switched to using git.koha-community.org 07:48 kf chris: thx, will use git.koha-community.org 07:49 CGI949 yes , MARC21 , with extention file *.ISO 07:50 Kivutar CGI949: you can find bulkmarcimport.pl in misc/migration_tools 07:53 CGI949 tnx to all 07:57 chris hi SelfishMan 07:57 chris ahh i bet that was an autoconnect 07:57 chris hi for 3 hours time when you wake up :) 08:13 kf we have problems to install translation of syspref editor - is there a known bug or something? 08:14 chris hmm not that im aware of, if you see fredericd you could ask him, he did the work making the sysprefs translatable 08:14 chris so knows much more about it than me 08:20 kf will ask him, thx :) 08:31 kmkale Hi friends 08:32 chris hi kmkale 08:34 kmkale In both 3.0.5 and master when I try to print a slip or page from the drop down on Fines page I only get a page with three lines on it. Library name, checked out to < patron card no > , and third line Checkd out today. 08:34 kmkale hi Chris 08:34 kmkale cant find a bug regarding this 08:34 Amit_G heya kmkale 08:34 kmkale hi amit 08:35 kmkale should't I get a print ut of the fines table shown on the screen instead of the three lines? 08:36 chris i dont think it prints out the fines, i think the print slip or print page is only to print out the persons items they have issued 08:36 chris ie, those buttons are on every page to do with a borrower, not specific to the fines page 08:37 kmkale ouch! but then the print drop down should not be there when we go to fines tab. Or on fines tab it should print the fines table displayed. 08:38 chris they are there on every page to do with borrowers, adn they do the same thing 08:38 kmkale Has anyone done any enhancement on printing the fines and fee receipts? 08:38 chris if you want to just print the fines table, just choose print in your browser 08:38 kf kmkale: chris is right, the slips are not for fines but for checkouts. an option to print fine slips would be a nice enhanement 08:38 kmkale chris: its misleading 08:38 chris and if it has print stylesheet it will use that 08:38 kmkale yes chris I tried that and it printed the table 08:39 kmkale It would be nice to generate a printout of fines and receipts. and also any manual invoices we generate. 08:39 chris patches accepted :) 08:39 kmkale :) 08:45 kmkale chris: I am looking at maninvoice.pl code. If I want to print a slip when the form is saved what do I need to do? any hints? 08:47 chris take a look at the printslip code, you will need to do something like that you will need a new template 08:47 chris a new script and some javascript to call the print function in the browser 08:47 kmkale cant add to maninvoice.tmpl? 08:48 kmkale and a syspref to control whether it prints or not? 08:48 chris not easily 08:48 chris because what the print slip does is use a template without all the navigaton etc 08:49 kmkale let me give it a try although I know perl like i know men on mars ;) 08:50 kmkale but a member library of granthalaya.org is bugging the hell out of me over this :( 08:55 kmkale chris: by pritslip code did you mean moremember-receipt? 08:55 kmkale moremember-receipt.tmpl? 08:56 chris yeah you need to find the script that calls that too 08:56 kmkale its moremember.pl line 80 09:00 Irinie Hi 09:00 Amit_G Hi Irninie 09:00 Irinie I just want to ask if there is a way to do a migration to data from excel sheet to Koha (using Marc 21 format)? 09:01 Amit_G Irinie: use MARC edit for this 09:02 Irinie could you clearify more 09:03 Amit_G http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/index.php 09:03 Amit_G after that run bulkmarc perl script 09:21 Irinie I have to install the program Marc editor? 09:23 kmkale Irinie: try this http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=openoffice_excel_delimited_text_to_koha_using_marcedit 09:24 Irinie Thanks, I will try. 09:31 magnus g'day #koha 09:39 Amit_G anybody generate patron card with koha 09:40 kf Amit_G: sorry, no 09:40 kf hi magnus 09:40 Amit_G hi magnus 09:40 kf magnus: are u using authorities? 09:40 magnus hi kf and Amit_G 09:40 magnus kf: sorry, no 09:41 kf anybody else using authorities? 09:41 magnus never really tried it, even 09:44 kf when searching for authorities in opac I have $asubject in display, but only for topical subjects, I dont know where this $a comes from :( 11:20 jdavidb harrrumph. mornin, #koha 11:23 Amit_G heya jdavidb 11:27 gmcharlt good morning 11:29 Amit_G heya galen 11:29 kf morning jdavidb and gmcharlt 11:30 jdavidb Hi, Amit_G and kf (and gmcharlt). 11:31 * kf shares her swiss chocolate easter bunny 11:32 jdavidb ooo....chocolate... thanks, kf! (A day that *starts* with "harrumph" does not bode well. Getting soaked by rain waiting for the bus didn't help.) 11:32 kf was at my parents' this weekend 11:33 kf hope it helps :) 11:53 kf @marc 653 11:53 munin kf: An index term added entry that is not constructed by standard subject heading/thesaurus-building conventions. (Repeatable) [a,6,8] 11:54 kmkale_ wow!! Munin+++ 12:24 * kf gives munin some chocolate 12:26 owen Hi #koha 12:27 * jdavidb waves to owen. 12:27 kf hi owen 12:27 kf jwagner: will test and close ;) 12:28 jwagner Hope it works as well for you as it did for me :-) Thanks, gmcharlt 12:28 * owen resumes his job as button-pusher 12:29 gmcharlt jwagner: finally, I have started a trend! mwa-ha-ha! 12:29 jwagner What trend? Fixing things? But you always did that!!! 12:29 kf was about to ask about the trend too :) 12:29 gmcharlt no, the "please test and close wording" 12:29 gmcharlt unless I've misunderstood the conversation, which is also possible :) 12:30 jwagner No, right conversation. And I don't promise to _always_ test and close.... 12:30 kf repeating what you have written gives me less room for grammar mistakes 12:30 jwagner But thanks for fixing this problem. It was a real bear. 12:30 kf gmcharlt++ :) 12:32 jwagner I really hope there aren't any other situations where the system checks 942c item type instead of item-level itype, but I have a hunch there are. Sigh.... 12:32 kf jwagner: added a new bug today bug 4433 12:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4433 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, $a displayed in front of topical subjects in authority search 12:33 gmcharlt if there are any left, there are very few 12:33 kf jwagner: I tell you because I saw this problem in your test opac for landman library too (was the first link I had) 12:33 jwagner Haven't noticed it myself, but I rarely do authority searches. I'll take a look -- thanks. 12:34 kf jwagner: I wanted to make sure its not a problem with our data 12:37 jwagner kf, authority searching isn't turned on in that catalog -- how did you get that result? 12:39 kf I changes my link :) 12:39 kf changed 12:39 kf I was surprised that it worked, but it did 12:40 jwagner Tricksy... 12:40 kf is tricksy good or bad? 12:41 jwagner tricksy little hobbittssesssss 12:41 jwagner Are you going to do a patch? 12:42 kf jwagner: no idea why this happens and no time right now :( have to set up a development koha here on my computer first (finally got permission) 12:43 * jdavidb signs in a guttural voice, "The rock and pool, is nice and cool, so juicy, sweeeeeet!" 12:46 * jdavidb can't even sing right today. 12:49 * kf looks confused at jdavidb 12:51 * jdavidb was trying to sing Gollum's little song from _Lord of the Rings_. But typoed, and apparently did it in American Sign Language instead. 12:52 gmcharlt neat trick over IRC 12:54 * jdavidb has some talent, occasionally. 12:55 * gmcharlt idly wonders if there is a notation for ASL that would permit one to learn new gestures 12:56 gmcharlt although I suppose videos may suffice for that 12:57 jdavidb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokoe_notation 12:58 gmcharlt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SignWriting 12:59 gmcharlt http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/unicode/unicod00.html 13:00 chris_n g'morning all 13:00 kf chris_n: good morning :) 13:01 chris_n is there a way to print a detailed account invoice for a patron with fines due? 13:01 * chris_n thinks the 'Print' button on boraccount.pl is a bit deceptive in that regard 13:06 kf I think kmkale was asking the same question earlier today 13:07 kf not sure if he planned to add a slip for fines, perhaps talk to him 13:10 jwagner kf, I took a quick look, but I don't see how the code is setting/passing the subfields. It's going to take someone more familiar with authorities than I am to fix it. 13:20 DRUlm Hello 13:20 owen Hi DRUlm 13:22 DRUlm How is Koha land? and How is Koha 3.2, I just upgraded (on a VM) to 3.2alpha with our production data. It went pretty smooth. There are a few bugs, any of note that are causing issues? 13:25 kf jwagner: I think I tried to find out some time ago (this is a old bug I forgot to report :( ) but without success. 13:33 gmcharlt DRUlm: alpha2 will be coming out tomorrow; just working on getting release notes into better shape 13:35 DRUlm So I must have been running Koha3.2-Null-Set or something, Pre Alpha sounds so Null 13:36 DRUlm gmcharlt: Cool on the release. The upgrade process from 3.0 to 3.2 worked better than it ever has in the past version to version 13:36 gmcharlt DRUlm: good to hear. run into any problems? 13:37 schuster kf - authorities a - is usually the "base" part of the authority heading - or Authoritized. Often you can add to an authoritized heading with "free floaters" etc... 13:37 schuster Not sure exactly what you are looking for... kf. 13:38 kf schuster: I meant I did not find the reason for the bug - but thx schuster 13:38 DRUlm gmcharlt: Just on the copied from OPAC XSLT to the staff interface, links mostly, but it looked a little off 13:38 schuster X51 __ |a South Dakota 13:38 DRUlm gmchalt: I need to keep testing 13:39 schuster OK. Thanks kf 13:42 schuster wizzyrea - you really there or is that a phantom? 13:42 jdavidb @seen wizzyrea 13:42 munin jdavidb: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 15 hours, 41 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> you would need to remove the attached event, chris 13:43 jdavidb looks like the ghost of wizzyrea. 13:43 kf bbl 13:59 wizzyrea I'I am here 13:59 wizzyrea nwo 13:59 wizzyrea now* 13:59 wizzyrea sup :) 13:59 wizzyrea So. Apparently I'm working on a feature list >.> 14:00 * jdavidb waves at wizzyrea. 14:00 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I'm putting release notes together today for the release of alpha2 14:00 wizzyrea gmcharlt: brilliant 14:00 gmcharlt once those are done, I'll put them on a wiki for fine-tuning 14:00 * wizzyrea didn't remember signing up for that task... but was willing to take it on if necessary 14:01 gmcharlt no, I got the impression that you were volunteered :) 14:11 wizzyrea lol! fair enough :) 14:11 wizzyrea < was off doing the french version of the manual for the site 14:12 wizzyrea rather, hoping that I did it right >.> 14:22 chris_n sorry wizzyrea; I got the idea you were working on one from this tidbit: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-01#i_431256 14:22 chris_n but I'll be glad to do it up once gmcharlt finishes the release notes for alpha2 14:22 wizzyrea chris_n: no worries :) 14:23 wizzyrea I imagine it will be a team effort no matter whose name goes on it. 14:23 * wizzyrea is having grammar issues today 14:23 * chris_n tries not to inadvertently volunteer folks for things as much as possible ;-) 14:24 wizzyrea hehe 14:24 wizzyrea owen: you summersault all over that bug. 14:25 * owen also knows kung-fu 14:27 owen Hi mbreeding 14:27 mbreeding Hello. 14:31 gmcharlt hi mbreeding 14:31 chris_n owen: who is kung-fu... ;) 14:32 chris_n heya mbreeding 14:32 mbreeding hi all. Just gettin a new irc client installed and tested. 14:33 gmcharlt seems to work 14:36 * owen disappointed that he wasn't here to get the inside scoop 14:37 * collum was anticipating and getting excited that there might be some big ILS news. 14:37 * collum needs a hobby. 14:39 * jdavidb chuckles 14:45 * chris_n wonders if we will have more than the usual number of participants/lurkers in this week's meetings 14:55 owen What is the current recommendation? Use git.koha-community.org? 14:56 gmcharlt owen: git.koha.org and git.koha-community.org currently mirror each other 14:56 gmcharlt so for now, patches will be the same regardless of which you pull from 14:56 wizzyrea gmcharlt: which are you using? 14:56 gmcharlt git.koha-community.org does have built-in gitstatus 14:56 gmcharlt I'm pushing to both for now 14:56 wizzyrea (or is that a politically incorrect thing to ask >.>) 14:57 wizzyrea okie 14:57 owen built-in gitstatus? 14:57 gmcharlt owen: git statistics, rather - http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/ 14:57 wizzyrea handy! 14:58 wizzyrea yay, we don't have to eat chris's bandwidth anymore 15:08 wizzyrea chris_n: : 15:08 wizzyrea er 15:08 wizzyrea lulz 15:09 wizzyrea thanks for posting the minutes pages on the wiki 15:09 * wizzyrea just realized she had a total brain fart on "how you add things to a wiki" 15:10 jwagner_meeting wizzyrea, I personally have never quite grasped the concept at all -- I approach all wiki edits with great trepidation :-) 15:12 jcamins Hello, #koha 15:13 wizzyrea wikis-- #for being different from anything else. 15:13 wizzyrea wikis++ #for being helpful, despite that 15:13 chris_n copy-and-paste++ #simplifies wiki editing :) 15:13 jcamins I am absolutely certain this is documented somewhere, but I am just not finding where... does anyone know where "nature of contents" is derived from for MARC21 008? 15:14 * chris_n freely confesses his great ignorance of most things marc related 15:15 gmcharlt jcamins: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008.html 15:16 gmcharlt looks like 008/24-27 for books 15:16 gmcharlt 008/25-27 for continuing resources 15:16 jcamins gmcharlt: The problem I'm having is that Koha just says "(derived value)" in the editor. 15:16 gmcharlt and not defined for any other format 15:18 jwagner jcamins, I _think_ the derived value comment means that Koha will try to set the 008 from the leader. gmcharlt, am I right on that? 15:19 gmcharlt yep, but that's nonsense for those 008 positions 15:19 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual-fr/?ch=c25#AEN27 15:19 * wizzyrea cheers 15:19 jwagner wizzyrea++ 15:20 gmcharlt jwagner: jcamins: in other words, that's an actual glitch with the 008 editor template - it should be specifying dropdowns for those for possitions for the BK format 15:20 gmcharlt and ditto for CRs 15:21 jcamins Ah. That explains the confusion. 15:23 jcamins Yeah, here it is. Bug 2567. 15:23 jwagner gmcharlt, worth adding that to Bug 3013 ? I did the 007 but have never had time to work on the 006 and 008 pieces. 15:23 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2567 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, 008 editor falsely populating Illustrations and Nature of Contents positions 15:23 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3013 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, REOPENED, Value builder for 007 and 008 seems to only include choices for Book -- need all format types 15:24 jwagner I'll add a reference to 2567 into 3013 15:24 gmcharlt jwagner: agreed 15:25 gmcharlt you can do that by adding 2567 to the depends on field in bug 3013 15:26 jwagner Well, that's one I've never seen. Just tried it.... 15:27 jwagner gotta run, back online later. 15:28 kf hi #koha 15:33 chris_n hey kf 15:35 kf hey chris_n :) 15:38 owen Grr... Ubuntu upgrade on my VM seems to have stalled... 15:41 chris_n for anyone interested, I just added steps to setup git to use your gmail or gmail-hosted account as an smtp server 15:42 chris_n http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage#fill_some_parameters 15:42 wizzyrea chris_n: !!!!! sweet! 15:42 owen chris_n++ 15:48 kmkale guyz on git usage I have just hacked about a bit to be able to print fee receipts from boraccount.pl. Seems to be working on my machine. Can you guide me on creating a enhancement request and submitting a patch for it? 15:49 wizzyrea kmkale: <3 spectacular 15:49 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-developers/ 15:50 wizzyrea for very starters 15:50 kmkale wizzyrea: This is what I see on my git statuc now 15:50 kmkale kk@kk:~/kohaclone$ git status 15:50 kmkale # On branch kkwork 15:50 kmkale # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 3 commits. 15:50 kmkale # 15:50 kmkale # Changes to be committed: 15:50 kmkale # (use "git reset HEAD <file>..." to unstage) 15:50 kmkale # 15:50 kmkale # modified: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/members/boraccount.tmpl 15:50 kmkale # new file: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/members/fee-receipt.tmpl 15:50 kmkale # new file: members/printfeercpt.pl 15:51 kmkale what next? 15:51 wizzyrea < not the git master :( sorry 15:51 kf git add <file> 15:52 kf for the modified files 15:52 kmkale kf: did that. Above is after add. 15:52 kf I m also a newbie, but can tell you what I do :) 15:52 wizzyrea kf++ # for general smartness and helpfulness 15:52 kf karma! 15:52 kf hm I wonder if those files should be listed underchanges to be committed 15:53 jdavidb kf++ # for friendliness, too. 15:53 kf have you made git add for all files changed? 15:53 * kf blushes 15:53 kmkale chris pushed me today afternoon when I asked for printing fee receipts said patches welcome!! 15:53 kmkale so here I am 15:54 kf the next step after git add is git commit and after that git format-patch origin 15:54 kf thats what I have written down and used so far 15:54 kmkale and he pointed in the direction to look of course so chris ++ 15:55 chris_n kmkale: are you going to add the ability to print fees/fines? 15:55 kf after that there is a file you can send to the mailing lists, you can also use gut send-email, but this will perhaps need a little configuration 15:55 kmkale OK. Let me try. I think I messed it up once. Shouldent I first create a enhancement request or something? and then commit against that bug number? 15:55 kmkale chris_n: yes. 15:55 kf yes, you can add the bug number to the commit message 15:55 chris_n kmkale++ 15:56 chris_n kmkale: I'll be glad to help with testing when you get to that point 15:56 kmkale aww chris_n: what I have done is too simple for that 15:56 kmkale but usefull for my purpose 15:57 chris_n I'll still look forward to seeing it as my librarians were asking for such a creature just yesterday 15:57 kmkale http://59.181.126.113:8001 15:58 kmkale if yoiu want to have a look and suggest something before I go any further 15:58 chris_n hmm.... firefox says unable to connect 15:58 wizzyrea < same here 15:58 kmkale aww by broadband router 15:59 kmkale &^*&^&% 15:59 chris_n wonderful things firewalls :) 15:59 kmkale give me a min? 15:59 chris_n sure thing 16:04 kf works now :) 16:05 wizzyrea we are going to kill your upstream ;) 16:06 chris_n well, it times out from here now :( 16:08 wizzyrea yea, timed out for me too 16:08 wizzyrea but the basic steps 16:08 chris_n ops 16:08 kmkale_ chris_n: can you try now? 16:08 wizzyrea make a bug on bugs.koha.org, mark it as enhancement and "sponsored" 16:09 * chris_n tries now 16:09 chris_n getting some data 16:09 wizzyrea then submit your patch using git 16:09 chris_n k, in 16:09 kmkale_ wizzyrea: was the above for me? cause I missed most of it as a result of restarting the router 16:09 wizzyrea yeps 16:10 wizzyrea no, there are really only 2 stpes 16:10 wizzyrea steps 16:10 kmkale_ chris_n: borrowernumber=1 16:10 wizzyrea (2 big steps, lots of little ones re: git, but those are the big ones) 16:11 kmkale_ wizzyrea: can you repeat plz? I just caught the last statement.. 16:11 wizzyrea make a bug on bugs.koha.org, mark it as enhancement and "sponsored" 16:11 kmkale_ ok 16:11 wizzyrea then submit your patch using git 16:11 kmkale_ how? 16:11 kmkale_ git commit? 16:12 wizzyrea (and send it via email to koha-patches@lists.koha.org) 16:12 chris_n kmkale_: nice work! 16:12 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 16:12 kmkale_ thanks chris_n 16:12 kmkale_ wizzyrea: that page got me upto here 16:12 kmkale_ :) 16:15 chris_n kmkale_: you need to 'git add' the two files you created 16:15 chris_n sorry 16:15 chris_n then 'git commit' 16:15 chris_n if you created a bug 16:15 chris_n include the bug number in the first line of the commit message 16:16 wizzyrea and yea, very nice work 16:16 wizzyrea we got an "Ooooh!" out of sharon 16:16 chris_n so like "Enhancement Bug XXXX: Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts" 16:16 kmkale_ chris_n: thats exactly I was going to ask next 16:17 * kf is curious too... 16:17 chris_n and any other foo you'd like to include in the patch below the first line of the commit message 16:17 kf what is the login? 16:17 chris_n the exit the editor 16:17 chris_n and 'git format-patch origin' 16:17 chris_n that will produce a *.patch file 16:17 kmkale_ k 16:17 chris_n then 'git send-email your-feature.patch' 16:18 chris_n assuming you have setup git to send email 16:18 chris_n if not, see the wiki page ref'd above 16:18 kmkale_ ok let me try. 16:19 kf kmkale++ 16:19 kmkale_ thanks kf 16:21 joetho Any MarcEdit experts here today? 16:21 joetho I am having a problem converting a txt file back to marc21 16:22 wizzyrea kmkale++ that's really good 16:22 * wizzyrea 's institution has been *begging* for that 16:23 kmkale_ thanks wizzyrea. One participating library of granthalaya.org has been bugging me for this. Thats what drove me plus the fact that its summer vacation time so much less work loads 16:23 jcamins joetho: I'm not an expert, but what do you need? 16:26 joetho I am using the "delimited text translator" and I can't get it to work. 16:27 joetho The error seems to be non-marcedit 16:28 jcamins What error are you getting? (I've never used the delimited text translator, but I'll take a stab at it anyway). 16:28 kmkale_ Bug 4440 16:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts 16:29 joetho @jcamins just a second 16:29 munin joetho: Error: "jcamins" is not a valid command. 16:29 joetho well you know what I meant, munin 16:29 joetho @roulette 16:29 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 16:29 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 16:30 owen Not your day joetho 16:31 jcamins Does anyone know what the maximum (reasonable) file size is for staging MARC records for import? 16:31 jcamins Somewhat smaller than 5.9MB (10k records), apparently. 16:32 schuster I saw there was a problem with that someplace, but don't know the limit. 16:32 jdavidb @roulette 16:32 munin jdavidb: *click* 16:32 schuster Why what happened to you? 16:32 jdavidb rats. 16:32 schuster joetho - get it worked out? 16:33 jcamins schuster: After waiting several minutes, the page reloaded as if nothing had happened. 16:33 jcamins When I went to the mange marc import page, the new import was not listed. 16:34 jcamins *manage 16:34 joetho here is the first part of my error message (when using marcedit delim text translator): 16:34 joetho System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index and length must refer to a location within the string. 16:34 joetho I have doubletripleandfourple-checked the import template 16:35 joetho import template- matches text/csv field headings to corresponding marc21 tags 16:36 jcamins Hm. I have no idea what to make of that. 16:36 jcamins Could you have a blank line at the end, or something? 16:37 joetho tried that 16:37 joetho I have also tried a single record 16:38 jcamins There's a Marcedit mailing list... perhaps someone on there would know. 16:38 joetho I tried the marcedit help message on the website 16:39 joetho I am reluctant to re-send requests for help 16:39 jcamins Hm. 16:39 joetho the listserv is a good ideer 16:39 joetho thks 16:39 jdavidb @roulette 16:39 munin jdavidb: *click* 16:41 joetho wow jdavidb 16:41 joetho it's been a long week, huh? 16:41 jdavidb mhm. 16:41 jdavidb @roulette 16:41 munin jdavidb: *click* 16:41 jdavidb rats. 16:41 kf @roulette 16:41 munin kf: *click* 16:42 schuster joetho - I'm on that mailing list and they are very helpful and Terry listens and answers pretty quick usually. 16:48 jdavidb @coin 16:48 munin jdavidb: heads 16:48 jcamins So, based on my wholly unscientific testing, 6000 records is a practical maximum for stage marc records for import. 16:48 jcamins At least on our system. 16:49 jdavidb "When faced with moments of indecision, toss a coin. Not to let the coin decide things for you, but because, in the instant while the coin is in the air, you will suddenly know what *you* want to happen." 16:50 kmkale_ jcamins: I have done 60000 records frequently 16:51 jcamins kmkale_: Really? Huh. 16:52 jcamins I wonder why everything goes wonky when I try batches of 7000. 16:52 kf ok, using ubuntu, I want to get in a directory owned by root... my user is koha and I get permission denied with cd directory 16:52 kf can someone help? linux newbie 16:52 jcamins Yes. 16:52 jcamins $ sudo chown koha $DIRNAME 16:52 kf thx 16:53 kf hope it will work, following chris instructions to install PDF::API2::Simple 17:00 pastebot "kmkale_" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "git status" (20 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/3 17:04 kf kmkale: there is a file print_fee_receipts.patch, this should be the file you can send to the mailinglist 17:05 kf hm, mine always start with 0001, like the other patch files listed 17:10 pastebot "kmkale_" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "patch contents" (258 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/4 17:12 kmkale_ kf: that had multiple line in subject due to my ignorance of rgit 17:13 kmkale_ so chris_n is helping me make a new one 17:14 kmkale_ now whats Message-ID to be used as In-Reply-To for the first email? 17:15 chris_n you can ignore that 17:15 kmkale_ k 17:16 kmkale_ aah sendmail says OK 17:16 kmkale_ now a big thanks to chris_n, kf and wizzyrea 17:17 kf thx for a great new feature :) 17:17 chris_n kmkale++ 17:18 kmkale_ aye you guyz made it possible and chris in the afternoon of course by giving me hints about templates. Hope it gets in 17:18 gmcharlt kmkale_: for 3.4, but yes, I imagine it will 17:19 kmkale_ gr8 thanks gmcharlt 17:19 kmkale_ chris_n++ 17:19 kmkale_ kf++ 17:19 kmkale_ wizzyrea++ 17:19 kmkale_ and gmcharlt++ 17:19 kmkale_ :) 17:19 kf kmkale++ :) 17:20 kf @karma kf 17:20 munin kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12. 17:21 * kf installed virtual box and koha successfully on computer at work 17:21 kf now time to go home - bye all! 17:23 kmkale_ do I need to upload attachments at bugs.koha.org against this bug 4440? 17:23 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts 17:26 kmkale_ anyway time to go home. Bye all 17:46 nengard i have a git question ... I wanted to change the email my patches are sent from so I did this 17:46 nengard git config --global user.email "your@mail.com" 17:46 nengard but now it's CCing that email address ... not marked as from it ... 17:46 nengard ideas? 17:49 chris had you done your commits before that? 17:49 chris if so, its already marked them as being from the address you had set when you committed 17:50 joetho david schuster, thanks for the good idea schuster++ 17:50 chris if you want to fix a commit you had done, if its the latest one 17:51 chris git commit --amend --author="Nicole Engard <fixed@email.address>" 17:53 chris if you want to get older ones, the easiest way to do that is to branch off git.koha.org/master .. cherry-pick the oldest commit, amend it, do the next oldest etc .. you should of course not do this for any commits you have sent as patches already 18:00 nengard chris i did that email change yesterday 18:00 nengard and the commit was done today 18:00 nengard so no - did not commit before that 18:02 chris how are you sending the mail? 18:03 nengard git send-email 18:06 chris and the author and committer look right in the patch? 18:07 nengard iono :) it's the last patch sent to the patches list - i don't see a name on it 18:07 nengard found it 18:07 nengard From 8005e597fbf6f609e84ef903044a305821f5543e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 18:07 nengard From: Nicole Engard <nengard@bywatersolutions.com> 18:07 nengard looks right 18:07 nengard so i guess that's fine then 18:07 chris yup 18:07 nengard it's just sending from gmail to the patches list 18:08 chris and how is your mail sent with git send-email does it use gmail as its smtp? 18:08 gmcharlt nengard: I don't see any patch from your ByWater address to the patches list 18:08 nengard i don't remember - set it up ages ago - but my assumption would be yes considering my gmail is what sent the message 18:09 nengard gmcharlt it was from my gmail address 18:09 nengard the email was at least 18:09 chris yeah then its probably that rewriting the from 18:09 nengard gmcharlt sent at 1:15pm EST 18:09 gmcharlt nengard: what was the bug number? 18:09 chris its the latest mail to the patches list 18:10 nengard bug 4442 18:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4442 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, rename batch edit tools 18:10 nengard chris does that mean i should change smtp? bywater mail is google too 18:10 gmcharlt ok, one sent from gmail.com with a cc to bywatersolutins.com 18:10 chris it means you should use their gmail set up 18:11 chris not your personal username and password to connect to gmail 18:11 nengard right 18:11 chris that would be my guess 18:11 nengard yup - how do i get to smtp settings on my server though? like is said it was ages ago that we did this 18:11 nengard this is why i waited so long to change things :) 18:11 nengard was just easier to keep it the way it was working 18:11 gmcharlt nengard: that might better addressed to sekjal or brendan 18:12 nengard gmcharlt - it's my local install 18:12 nengard not bywater's 18:12 nengard i just need to know the command to type to get into my settings so i can change them 18:12 nengard it's the debian install that chris helped me set up 18:12 chris yeah, i dunno 18:13 chris my boxes all can send email without an smtp gateway 18:15 cait hi #koha 18:15 jdavidb Hi, cait. :) 18:17 chris_n nengard: just setup 'git config --global sendemail.smtpuser your_email@bywatersolutions.com' 18:17 chris_n and fixup your password to match 18:18 nengard thanks chris_n 18:18 chris_n the rest is the same as your personal gmail account settings 18:18 nengard will it prompt for my password or is there a line i need for that too? 18:18 * chris_n added gmail config how-to earlier: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage#fill_some_parameters 18:18 nengard thanks! 18:18 chris_n git config --global sendemail.smtppass your_password 18:21 nengard thanks found it 18:22 nengard gmcharlt - am going to resend the last patch - i know it was pushed already but it's all i have to test with - just ignore it :) 18:22 gmcharlt k 18:22 * chris_n wonders if km_kale 's patch got put in koha-patches jail 18:23 nengard woo hoo - worked ! you all rock :) 18:23 chris_n another satisfied customer :) 18:25 gmcharlt chris_n: nope, it's not stuck in moderation 18:25 chris_n gmcharlt: thanks 18:26 chris_n @later tell km_kale you should try resending your patch and/or checking your git send-email setup; see http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage#fill_some_parameters 18:26 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 18:26 chris_n munin++ 18:27 chris_n @karma munin 18:27 munin chris_n: Karma for "munin" has been increased 7 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 4. 18:27 chris_n munin++ #for being underrated 18:27 munin chris_n: Error: "#for" is not a valid command. 18:33 wizzyrea he's modest 18:33 owen Interesting... the 'issuingbranch' column in the issues table seems to be unused. 18:33 gmcharlt owen: correct, it's not used 18:33 owen That is news to catalogue/issuehistory.pl, which attempts to display it 18:34 gmcharlt but will be sorely disappointed, as nothing populates it :) 18:45 nengard owen, gmcharlt - i think there is a bug to that effect 18:45 nengard sounds familiar 18:45 nengard bug 2806 18:46 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2806 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, issuingbranch isn't used 18:48 * owen can't remember as far back as 2008 18:50 nengard I got me a good memory :) 18:52 owen I had a good memory before I had kids 18:55 nengard yet another check mark in my reasons why not to have kids column :) 18:56 wizzyrea but you miss out on them talking about ackicockters 18:56 wizzyrea (helicopters) 18:56 nengard ahhh ;) hehe 18:56 nengard I can experience that with friends' kids 18:57 wizzyrea true enough I suppose 18:57 * wizzyrea runs to the corner to sob 18:57 wizzyrea j/k j/k 18:57 wizzyrea ;) 18:57 collum Your lack of memory is compensated by the fact that your kids eventually know everything. 18:57 nengard awww :( hehe 19:01 nengard okay - i need to rest now - had a test this AM that prooved that I don't have asthma afterall - but it did cause my real condition to flare up after a week of no problems 19:01 nengard so i'm going to sleep this off and be 100% tomorrow 19:01 gmcharlt nengard: :( get better soon 19:01 nengard ttyl (and PS - I have updated the manual with all of the patches that Galen has pushed in the last few days) 19:02 nengard manual is here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary 19:02 nengard and thanks gmcharlt - i'll be A-OK now that I know what it is and what to do about it :) 19:08 DRUlm Idea for Koha Community 19:08 DRUlm How about for short it is called 19:08 DRUlm K.C. 19:08 DRUlm Like K.C. and the Sunshine Band 19:09 DRUlm K.C. has a nice ring to it, and perhaps may remind people of the 1970s, when things were starting to look up :) 19:09 wizzyrea Kansas City 19:10 DRUlm That too 19:10 wizzyrea < lives near there 19:10 wizzyrea ;) 19:10 DRUlm I mean Koha-Community is nice, especially with the wacky new show called Community hitting rave reviews 19:10 DRUlm But K.C. is nice and short to be used to save typing 19:11 wizzyrea I don't think anybody would object to that abbreviation 19:11 wizzyrea I normally use k-c.org 19:11 wizzyrea or k-c 19:11 DRUlm Also phonetically Kasey (at the bat) which is a famous library book no doubt 19:11 chris just dont call it KOHA-community 19:12 chris pet peeve 19:12 * owen 's too 19:12 * wizzyrea 's too 19:13 jdavidb @roulette 19:13 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 19:13 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 19:13 jdavidb Finally! 19:14 chris_n collum: LOL :D 19:14 DRUlm I agree, but is there a better thing? 19:14 DRUlm (or name I mean)? 19:15 chris than KOHA .. yes Koha 19:15 chris its a word not an acronym 19:15 owen How about we stick to "koha-community.org" so as not to muddy the waters at a sensitive time 19:15 owen And otherwise call it Koha, as there is only one Koha. 19:15 chris ok time to get the kids u[ 19:15 chris p 19:15 DRUlm Oh I see "Community-Koha", ok well K.C. (yeah that is that the periods are all about), like C.H.U.D. (movie reference) 19:15 chris_n we should always use koha-community.org as the main site imho... make other urls pointers to that 19:16 DRUlm So C.K., that works too. 19:16 owen DRUlm: Under what circumstances are you finding it difficult to express this? 19:17 DRUlm owen, Koha it is, your statement reminds me of something said again and again in the Highlander movie, hmmmm, what was it? 19:17 DRUlm "There can only be one?" 19:17 DRUlm Actually, I think I just like "Koha" 19:26 DRUlm "There can only be one?" - The Highlander? 19:27 DRUlm Well, later all, it will all work out in the end. "How?" It's a mystery! 19:29 cait good night 20:22 wizzyrea gmcharlt: will kmkale's receipt print patch make it into the alpha? or is it a feature, thus not eligible for inclusion 20:22 wizzyrea ? 20:23 wizzyrea fines* receipts 20:33 chris back 20:34 chris http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/05/closing-the-books-on-libraries/ 20:35 wizzyrea oi vey 20:35 chris yah 20:36 larsw sad 20:36 larsw (he says, not having used a public library since 1994) 20:36 jwagner owen or chris (or anyone else), do you know where in the system it's told to use the XSLT stylesheets by name? Not the syspref that says on or off, but if on, go find e.g. MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl and apply it? 20:36 chris we need to make the case they can save money by collaborating and using free software, instead of laying off staff and/or rental charges 20:36 jwagner I can't find it anywhere. I'm wondering if it's a setting somewhere in one of the MySQL tables. 20:37 gmcharlt wizzyrea: feature, so 3.4 unless it is completely obvious that it can't break anything 20:37 wizzyrea k ty 20:37 wizzyrea (was what I figured, but someone asked) 20:37 chris jwagner: looking now 20:39 jwagner I have a working revision on Bug 4394 (opaccolorstylesheet setting), and I thought I'd poke at allowing an external XSLT stylesheet as well. Darned if I can find it, though.... 20:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL 20:39 richard hi 20:40 chris hi richard 20:41 gmcharlt wizzyrea: speaking of which, have you seen the patch itself? not in my patches inbox 20:41 chris yeah havent seen it 20:41 wizzyrea hm, no I haven't seen it 20:42 wizzyrea he said he sent it 20:47 wizzyrea I don't see it :( 20:47 wizzyrea he'll be back probably :) 20:47 chris jwagner: its in C4/XSLT.pm 20:48 chris inside sub XSLTParse4Display { 20:48 chris starting round line 147 in master is where it sets the xslt file 20:51 jwagner AHA. I was searching for the actual file name, and this is building the filename based on marc flavor. Thanks. 20:52 jwagner Now. Has anyone figured out how to create a new syspref in Jesse's new editor? 20:52 chris yep 20:53 * jwagner should have added "without resorting to a direct MySQL edit" :-) 20:53 * larsw thinks chris should give a fastcgi+nginx talk at kohacon 20:53 chris ah, in that case no 20:53 chris you need to edit the prefs file 20:54 chris and the db 20:54 jwagner Hrmmm. OK, I'll have jdavidb create one for me. I don't speak MySQL enough to muck around with the db. 20:54 chris larsw: can do 20:54 chris maybe at the developers conference bit after? 20:54 jwagner (Am trying to do this on a current head server -- it would be easier on my older-level sandbox, sigh.) 20:54 larsw chris, that might be better 20:56 chris_n gmcharlt: I have gave munin a message for km_kale regarding that patch 20:57 chris_n I was helping with it, but apparently his git is not configured right for sendmail 20:57 chris_n until then, the patch can be seen here: http://paste.workbuffer.org/4 20:58 chris_n where it was pasted earlier 20:58 chris until i reboot the server and flush /tmp anyway :) 20:58 * jwagner thinks that's enough for one day -- see you later 20:58 chris_n ttyl 21:02 schuster by friends 21:19 Nate gnight all! 21:46 chris nice to see the vokal people on the list :) 22:03 chris_n yup, been awhile since we heard from them 22:15 reed larsw, hooray, now that my freaking quad core laptop has arrived I can help test package installs in various vm's without worrying my mouse might slow down 22:15 larsw reed, yay 23:10 mason oooh. how bout this.... 23:10 mason http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/04/30/if-you-code-html-zen-coding-will-change-your-life/ 23:18 mason http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/05/03/149224/Why-IE9-Will-Not-Support-Other-Codecs-Than-H264 23:50 mason anyone got any ideas on fixing a corrupt *.marc file? 23:50 mason using yaz-client perhaps...? 23:51 mason or another yaz-* tool poss. 23:54 chris_n heya mason 23:54 mason heya back 23:55 mason im poking at yaz-iconv.. 23:55 mason yaz-iconv -f ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8 -X <input.lst >output.lst 23:56 mason ive got some vague memory of this tool stripping out the bad marc-record from the problem file...