Time Nick Message 22:33 collum sumer is icumen in 22:33 chris_n time to go, bbl 22:32 chris_n sounds like a busy weekend for kids around the globe 22:32 collum Hope the rain comes after the kid's first baseball game of the season. 22:31 munin collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 27.2�C (6:30 PM EDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect from Saturday evening through Monday morning... 22:31 collum @wunder 41017 22:31 hdl_laptop chris_n: yes. 22:24 chris_n kinda late for you isn't it? 22:24 chris_n great :) 22:24 hdl_laptop how are you? 22:23 chris_n heya hdl_laptop 22:23 hdl_laptop hi brendan 22:23 brendan heya hdl_laptop 22:23 brendan ah pianohacker I miss him 22:21 hdl_laptop none that I am aware of 22:20 chris_n so is there any problem with Google's TOS when using google book covers with Koha? 22:19 munin chris_n: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 6 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <pianohacker> that's all :) 22:19 chris_n @seen pianohacker 22:19 * chris_n wonders where pianohacker has been, speaking of pianos 22:18 chris_n actually the son play piano too, just not tonight 22:18 chris_n my younger son plays violin and my oldest daughter plays piano and flute 22:14 brendan looks like three instruments ? 22:14 chris_n well, I have a recital to attend with two children playing piano, flute, and violin 22:13 brendan wow 30 that's hot 22:13 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 30.0�C (5:43 PM EDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 22:13 chris_n @wunder 28334 22:11 chris :) 22:11 * gmcharlt sees dinner in his future and seeks to grab it 22:11 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on May 01, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 22:11 chris @wunder wellington nz 22:11 brendan now only it munin could check the tide 22:11 brendan I see a walk on the beach in my future 22:11 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0�C (2:50 PM PDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 6 am PDT Saturday... 22:11 brendan @wunder 93117 22:11 chris im glad its only a 20 min game 22:11 chris a bit cold, but fun 22:10 brendan chris how was football 22:04 chris in that case, i'll leave it 22:03 chris_n nice email from vicki 22:03 chris ahhhhh 22:02 * chris_n is happy since the bees were today :) 22:01 wizzyrea you would need to remove the attached event, chris 22:01 chris_n OCLC visit... cool 22:00 chris_n back 22:00 chris well that was the best use of the cgi irc script in years 22:00 chris foiled by a checkbox i cant uncheck 21:59 chris except i cant heh 21:58 librarywebchic thanks all. Have a good weekend. will keep my eyes on the event feed. 21:57 chris i can do that 21:57 chris cool, except i thnk the report is tagged as an event, need to fixinate that 21:57 chris hmm 21:57 brendan wizzyrea++ 21:56 brendan wizzyrea it's so nice to have a nice responsive webadmin 21:56 wizzyrea we also ^^ what he said 21:56 chris as we always post the meetings on there as events before they take place 21:56 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/category/events/feed/ 21:56 wizzyrea sec 21:56 wizzyrea yea, there's an RSS feed for every category 21:56 chris might be handy for librarywebchic 21:56 chris on k-c.org? 21:56 chris wizzyrea: is there an rss feed for items marked as events 21:55 wizzyrea :) I'm sure we'll talk again 21:55 wizzyrea bookmarked 21:55 librarywebchic happy to help and I'm happy to do a presentation for the Koha community. just need to find a time that works! 21:54 librarywebchic the source code is available at http://www.worldcat.org/devnet/code/devnetDemos/ 21:54 brendan cool nice resources librarywebchic 21:54 wizzyrea sure, we also list them on our wiki at wiki.koha.org (though the web presence is a bit in flux at the moment... if you can't find them you can stop by here and we can direct you to the right page) 21:53 chris cool 21:53 librarywebchic in the meantime, if you want to see some of the neat things you can do with OCLC web services you can check out my demos at http://www.librarywebchic.net/mashups . 21:52 librarywebchic can you guys send me a note coombsk[at]oclc.org when you have your next developer get together? I'd like to try to make it 21:51 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/oclc-raises-daily-noncommercial-usage-limits-for-xisbn-and-xissn/ 21:50 librarywebchic will take that as a note. Know some folks at the IDS project - http://idsproject.org who are interested in the same thing and have done some interesting things connecting to Connexion. 21:50 brendan yeah all of our programming wish lists seems to be big 21:49 wizzyrea brendan: it's a long list 21:49 brendan it's on sekjal wish list to program 21:49 wizzyrea :D it's what we like too. 21:49 * brendan would love a nice OCLC connextion client plugin for koha (other something like that) I know a few of our clients would love it 21:49 librarywebchic you guys are awesome. This is what I love about open source community software building! 21:48 chris woo weee wooo 21:48 wizzyrea well you do live in the future. 21:48 wizzyrea har de har 21:48 chris so not really :) on to it would have done it before we were told :) 21:48 wizzyrea it 21:48 wizzyrea YOU 21:48 wizzyrea it 21:48 wizzyrea of 21:48 wizzyrea top 21:48 wizzyrea ON 21:48 librarywebchic drat meeting at that time 21:48 wizzyrea I know! 21:48 chris well i just did that right now 21:47 wizzyrea you are on top of it 21:47 wizzyrea chris: NICE! 21:47 wizzyrea lord help me, it's either 1 or 2 pm here (CDT) 21:47 chris librarywebchic: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=43945b67405ba6677e02d2d0614d8b0c0efe9bec 21:47 wizzyrea the link should help you convert 21:46 wizzyrea 19:00UTC+0 21:46 wizzyrea May 5, http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2010-05-04%2019:00%20UTC+0 21:45 librarywebchic what day? I can try to come if my schedule isn't full of meetings? 21:45 librarywebchic there are some nice things people are doing with WorldCat Identities. One example is http://search.trln.org/search?Nty=1&N=0&Ntt=mark+twain&Ntk=Author 21:44 * wizzyrea tries to find the agenda... hopes it's been put up 21:44 wizzyrea we have a couple of meetings here next week, I imagine that if you wanted to be on the agenda that would be welcome and encouraged 21:43 librarywebchic also, I'd be happy to talk to Koha developers about other web services OCLC has that are free for noncommercial use that might be of interest to Koha folks, particularly from an online catalog perspective 21:43 brendan librarywebchic++ 21:42 librarywebchic LOL 21:42 wizzyrea erg, I hate it when that happens. And I do crap like that all the time "what, you mean I didn't send it out? *sigh*" 21:42 librarywebchic I'm trying to find the official press release too but for some reason I don't think it went out 21:41 wizzyrea okies 21:41 librarywebchic either is fine 21:41 wizzyrea or just that I saw it on the blog ;) 21:41 wizzyrea or no? 21:41 wizzyrea ok to say that I talked to you? 21:40 wizzyrea cool beans, will add that one to my reader so I can stay on top of it. :) 21:39 librarywebchic we post changes to these services to the developer network listserv and the Developer Network blog - http://worldcat.org/devnet/blog/2010/04/daily_noncommercial_usage_limi.html 21:38 wizzyrea (would link to them) 21:38 wizzyrea are there any official press materials to announce these changes? 21:37 librarywebchic if you are a cataloging member 21:37 librarywebchic also if any Koha users are OCLC cataloging members getting and even higher daily usage is free for them. There is a form to fill out but that is it no $$ 21:37 wizzyrea but usually lots of folks around 21:37 wizzyrea stop by anytime. Friday afternoons are quiet here 21:37 wizzyrea absolutely :) 21:37 gmcharlt thanks for the news 21:37 gmcharlt hi Karen 21:37 wizzyrea that's great! 21:36 librarywebchic no thank you 21:36 wizzyrea but I didn't, but THANKS for the info, I'll go put a post on the site about it! 21:36 librarywebchic the change just happened this week 21:36 wizzyrea maybe others did 21:36 wizzyrea omg, no, I didn't know that 21:36 librarywebchic I was intrigued that Koha was using the xISBN service for that tab and wanted to make sure Koha folks knew we'd increased the non-commercial free limit to 1000 queries per day 21:36 wizzyrea < Liz Rea, Northeast Kansas Library System 21:35 wizzyrea hi there :) 21:35 wizzyrea Ah! 21:35 librarywebchic i work at OCLC. my name is Karen Coombs and I'm the Product Manager for the Developer Network 21:35 wizzyrea ? 21:35 wizzyrea where ya from 21:35 wizzyrea sure thing :) 21:35 wizzyrea nope, it's in. you're definitely right that there are a lot of things they wrote that aren't currently in. Fortunately, in many cases others have picked up those features and, while behind LL's progress, are making it in. 21:34 librarywebchic so I appreciate the info. didn't want to point people to something they couldn't get 21:34 librarywebchic thank you. I was trying to find out because it is my understanding that some of the Koha things Liblime didn't contribute but I wasn't sure about this one 21:33 wizzyrea (note: in 2007, when this post was written, LibLime was contributing all code they wrote to the community. It was lovely.) 21:33 wizzyrea FRBR is definitely IN, and not an addon. 21:32 wizzyrea this is from my current as of today 3.2 alpha box: http://screencast.com/t/MDEwYTA3 21:32 wizzyrea yes, in fact I'm sure it is 21:32 wizzyrea afaik that is in koha now 21:31 librarywebchic I have a Koha question I'm hoping someone here can answer. Does anyone know if the Edition tab code - http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/2007/05/17/more-web-services-frbr-xisbn-thingisbn/ is part of the main Koha code or an add-on 21:13 cait ok, time to sleep - bye #koha and nice weekend to all of you 21:06 schuster have a great weekend - we have a 9 year old baseball tournement tomorrow and basketball tonight... Can't wait to come back to work on Monday to rest! 21:06 schuster by all thanks for the fellowship... 20:45 wizzyrea ooh, fun 20:44 chris_n off to the bee hives 20:39 cait oooh 20:39 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 20:39 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 20:39 cait @roulette 20:38 cait owen: return all and perhaps renew all too 20:36 wizzyrea owen: nuke the return all 20:32 munin brendan: *click* 20:32 brendan @roulette 20:28 chris_n rhcl: are you a radio geek? 20:22 wizzyrea aw just that too late 20:22 wizzyrea bye Nate 20:21 Nate have a great weekend everyone! 20:18 rhcl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcgzuDdlZUA 20:13 rhcl Hummm 20:12 cait I like the way your mind works :) 20:10 cait oh not sure 20:10 rhcl I suppose many other people probably don't think like that. 20:09 rhcl So that's how my mind made the association of Marconi and "0" 20:09 cait oh 20:08 rhcl and digital = "1's" and "0's", although Morse is, of course, a trinary system (long on, short on, off). 20:08 rhcl and concurrent with the development of Morse code, which is a digital mode, although commonly analog encoded. 20:07 cait are marconi o-shaped? 20:07 rhcl Marconi = early development of radio 20:07 rhcl My connection to the subject was radio and digital communications. 20:06 cait oh marconi ... goes to look that up 20:06 cait you can cut them in rings 20:05 rhcl Marconi? 20:05 wizzyrea spaghetti-o's 20:04 cait onion rings 20:04 gmcharlt the bane of parents everywhere 20:04 gmcharlt cheerios 20:04 cait maccaroni? 20:04 rhcl Bagels 20:03 cait hm donuts 20:02 chris_n which are conveniently shaped like an O 20:02 owen Have a good weekend everyone 20:02 chris_n rhcl: or a donut 20:02 rhcl Nothing nothing. Nothing at all. It was wizzy. 20:02 cait rhcl: what did you think about me? 20:01 rhcl Ohhhhhhh. I see now. The alphabet "O". Yea, I didn't watch the vid. 20:01 wizzyrea I did. It's true. 20:00 cait rhcl: its not my fault, its wizzyrea's - she let me watch this sesame street video 19:59 rhcl cait, are you on the right channel? 19:59 chris_n maybe on the support page 19:59 cait wizzyrea: I will dream about Os 19:58 chris_n wizzyrea: is there a section of the koha-community.org site appropriate to linking to very helpful things like owen's blog? 19:57 chris_n what data format do you use for your charts? 19:54 owen They can turn out pretty but they're a pain in the butt to put together 19:53 chris_n the google chart stuff is very cool 19:52 cait wizzyrea++ 19:51 wizzyrea Hee! 19:51 wizzyrea injecting a bit of levity 19:51 * wizzyrea is tired of serious talk >.> 19:50 wizzyrea see: above linked video 19:50 owen ?! 19:50 wizzyrea A NICKEL! shh! a nickel! Riiiight. 19:49 chris_n very nifty 19:49 chris_n owen++ # for a nice koha blog entry today 19:49 chris_n hmm... must be Friday :) 19:49 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml6Yqu-spnM 19:48 * wizzyrea may have spent a little too much time with sesame street. 19:48 wizzyrea Would you like to buy an O? Circular and sweet, a nearly perfect circle, nearly good enough to eat. You can sing a little song with it like so: Ohh, Ohh, Ohh... 19:47 wizzyrea oh pish posh. Organization is the key to overcoming overwhelmedness :D 19:47 schuster Don't want to overwhelm people with stuff. 19:47 schuster Even it if was in the support section with the listserves. 19:47 wizzyrea ? why not? 19:46 schuster wizzyrea I was thinking that too, but didn't want to put too much up there... 19:46 * wizzyrea thinks of yet something else to link directly from the koha-community website 19:45 wizzyrea no no it's fine :) 19:45 schuster I did go there first, just didn't go deep enough. sorry to bother everyone. 19:45 schuster Well yes there it is.. I looked, but didn't go down the the catalog section as the "contents list" didn't indicate the other reports my bad... 19:43 wizzyrea should mention that jwagner has put up TONS of those reports. I"m so grateful for her contribution there. 19:43 wizzyrea ^^ love the report library 19:42 owen WHERE items.itemnumber is NULL 19:42 owen LEFT JOIN items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber 19:42 owen FROM biblio 19:42 owen SELECT biblio.biblionumber, biblio.title 19:42 owen I see it, "All bibs without items" 19:41 owen schuster: Did you look here already? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=sql_library 19:40 schuster another question - I want to find all of the bibs that have no items attached... suggestions for an sql? 19:34 schuster I'm going to use fireworks after I have all of my images to resize them to a standard size, HxW as well... 19:33 schuster I'm finding some great pictures in public domain or CC - so I should be able to share what I end up with if people want it. This picture I have is 1800 x 2700... so yes size wise.. 19:33 owen schuster: optimum square? 19:32 owen ...but that's just off the top of my head, no research to back it up 19:31 owen I would probably go lower, maybe 50 or 60KB. 19:31 schuster so what would be the opitumum square do you think? 19:31 schuster I'm working on the picture driven interface of predefines searches geared toward k-2 students. 19:30 wizzyrea :D 19:30 schuster I was hopeful you would respond anyway... 19:30 wizzyrea K 19:30 * wizzyrea wasn't asked, but I'd try to keep each one under 100k 19:29 schuster I'm looking at using some images - what is the optimum size when you might have say 8-12 on a page and want the page to load fairly fast. 19:29 schuster owen - I need your professional opinion on web design. 19:28 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 19:28 wizzyrea @later tell nengard of course I'd be happy to work on getting the translations translated to wp 19:28 wizzyrea boo no nengard 19:19 chris_n yup; all three lists have been buzzing today 19:15 brendan chris_ overflow with patches is good ;) 19:14 * chris_n has to move quickly to avoid the avalanche of an overflowing inbox :) 19:11 schuster Always should... :) 19:11 * chris heads off 19:10 chris for the record, taking my 3 year old son to play football trumped a phone call to the US 19:10 chris ok time to get the boy up to take to soccer 19:10 schuster Same with Deer in Minnesota. You hit one it was time for a new car. 19:10 gmcharlt chris: no, a moose will total even the largest of SUVs 19:10 slef bbl 19:09 schuster slef - I tried to fix the image you painted... 19:09 slef not in the ones I've seen 19:09 chris was there anything left of the car??? 19:09 * owen suspected gmcharlt was using the term "we" loosely 19:09 gmcharlt (for those wondering: no, not really, but there was a program to donate the moose carcass to charity or a family after a car-moose collision) 19:08 gmcharlt schuster: in Alaska, somes we just used autombiles to hunt moose. why settle for a measly shotgun :) 19:08 slef schuster: not what I meant, you know? 19:07 schuster hmmmm steak on a grill... 19:07 slef bbl 19:07 slef not the image I wanted to go to dinner with - thanks all :-/ 19:07 slef for some reason, pack heat always makes me think about animals on heat 19:07 schuster Some do it's our right isn't it.... I'm actually from Minnesota where they carry shotguns in the back window of the truck mounted, loaded and ready to go. 19:07 * owen hisses 19:07 * slef puts some cold water on owen and turns on a fan to clear the steam 19:06 brendan hehe - s/shout/shot 19:06 wizzyrea ... 19:06 owen You're a Texan schuster, do you guys pack heat 24/7? 19:06 munin brendan: *click* 19:06 brendan @roulette 19:06 wizzyrea or shout at you 19:06 brendan but munin he may 19:06 brendan we won't shout you schuster 19:06 wizzyrea aww, you won't get shot 19:05 schuster Laying low don't want to get shot. 19:05 wizzyrea is getting the current bugs out 19:05 wizzyrea I guess the worst problem 19:03 owen I'm steamed enough right now that just seeing that @liblime.com address from Bugzilla irritates me 19:03 gmcharlt I think chris is organizing hosting by Catalyst 19:02 wizzyrea idk about bugs though 19:02 wizzyrea yes, owen, that is set up 19:02 owen Maybe what I'm remembering is that git.koha-community.org was moving forward 18:59 owen Has someone begun the process of moving our Bugzilla database or are we waiting on a community decision? 18:36 bgkriegel I never finished my PHD in Physics 18:36 bgkriegel yes I do :) 18:23 slef bgkriegel will wonder if this is #koha or #failedStatsDoctors 18:22 slef anyway, back to my inboxes 18:22 slef I don't remember exactly when the exam was, but I think I was working for TTLLP/software.coop, so it must have been two years or more after I finished studying. 18:21 slef First class honours on the first degree, but sadly I failed my doctorate in a blaze of questions at an oral exam years after I finished the research (I didn't revise well enough IMO - others have blamed university politics, but I'm not sure). 18:19 slef If anyone's ever interested in funding a stray statistician to analyse them, I'd love to get an enquiry. I think I've had two usage projects in the last 5 years. 18:15 gmcharlt slef: Bob Molyneux at Equinox is *extremely* interested in any and all kinds of library usage statistics 18:14 slef I guess we need more libraries using Koha for a few years to be able to get enough of them interested in some really smart stats. 18:13 slef That might have been the UK education sector as much as me, though. 18:13 slef I wasn't all that successful as a teacher. 18:12 owen slef: I'm sure you could teach me many things about smart statistics. I don't have any training 18:11 slef hrm, NonCommercial licensed :-/ 18:11 * slef is a statistician at heart still 18:10 slef yippee 18:10 slef tyvm 18:10 owen http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=536 18:08 slef link please? 18:06 owen Thanks, I could have gone into great detail on that one but I felt like publishing something fairly quick 18:04 wizzyrea excellent blog post, chum. 18:04 wizzyrea I mean really. 18:04 wizzyrea owen: can you get any more awesome 18:03 slef 8.25 hours worked, 7pm and still hours to work 18:02 slef delays which I could do nothing about 18:02 slef today has not been a golden one 18:01 wizzyrea oh dear lol 17:59 slef I think I meant serendipitiously. 17:58 slef wizzyrea: it read better than "after sleep" ;-) 17:57 wizzyrea slef: I always like to hear you say you feel better after reflection :) 17:56 owen slef: I'm enjoying hearing your comments on the list. Keep it up. 17:53 slef and seredipitiously given what I was writing about, lisnews just sent me "Ten Reasons Why Professional Librarian is an Oxymoron2 http://bit.ly/cDtgps 17:51 slef my postings to koha@lists.katipo - too much, enough, more? 17:50 slef hi #koha 17:32 nahuel ok 17:32 gmcharlt hmm - 110 is a corporate author, thus different index, but no reason not to hyperlink 17:31 nahuel and it doesn't look in 110 ? 17:31 nahuel why opac detail search for authors only between 700 and 720 17:31 nahuel gmcharlt, owen 17:20 owen Those fields are already in red. I assumed the bug was referring to Patron Attribute Types 17:18 magnus_away ooops i'm supposed to be away... 17:18 magnus_away owen: BorrowerMandatoryField http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=c19#AEN2231 17:11 * owen is trying to find it 17:11 owen You can make a patron attribute required? 17:11 owen "When a patron attribute is required it should be in red like other required fields" 17:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4418 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, required patron attributes not red 17:10 owen Looking at Bug 4418 17:09 jwagner wizzyrea, for what it's worth, it seems to look OK in IE8 16:53 wizzyrea it's pretty, isn't it? 16:53 owen I like the design 16:53 owen Of course 16:53 wizzyrea or rather, if you don't have time... no worries 16:52 wizzyrea don't take more than 5 minutes to look at it, if you have a minute to look at it at all 16:52 wizzyrea >.< 16:52 wizzyrea and I'm totally clueless as to why 16:52 wizzyrea ok, I'm looking at www.atchisonlibrary.org in IE 7, and the menus are popping behind the headers for the posts 16:51 owen Present! 16:51 wizzyrea owen: you about? I have a not necessarily koha related question for youy 16:41 munin cait: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). [] 16:41 cait @marc 003 16:41 cait our union catalog identifier is carried in 001 16:40 munin cait: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] 16:40 cait @marc 001 16:40 cait nahuel 001? 16:40 cait hi jwagner and jdavidb 16:39 nahuel do you know what is "control-number" in marc21 ? 16:27 jwagner hi cait 16:27 jdavidb hi, cait. :) 16:27 cait hi #koha 16:00 CGI359 Nae, just testing the software - thanks though. 15:59 owen Do you have a question CGI359 ? 15:59 CGI359 Ping 15:50 kf have a nice weekend all 15:35 owen Sounds great chris_n 15:35 chris_n owen: I may make a few changes to the circ history page and send the patch to you to check out if you don't mind 15:35 nahuel héhé 15:34 nahuel thanks 15:34 chris_n ahh... the marc-master has spoken :) 15:34 nahuel okay 15:34 gmcharlt nahuel: ^^ as one possibility 15:34 munin gmcharlt: Information concerning the host item for the constituent unit described in the record (vertical relationship). In the case of host items that are serial or multi-volume in nature, information in subfields $g and $q is necessary to point to the exact location of the component part within the bibliographic item. (Repeatable) [b,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,3,6,7,8] 15:34 gmcharlt @marc 773 15:33 munin kf: unknown tag 040c 15:33 kf @marc 040c 15:33 nahuel where can we specify this ? 15:33 nahuel each record represent a part of contract 15:33 nahuel and a lot of records for this collection 15:33 nahuel We have a lot of documents for a same collection 15:32 munin chris_n: Error: "you've" is not a valid command. 15:32 chris_n munin you've disappointed me 15:32 munin chris_n: unknown tag 040$c 15:32 chris_n @marc 040$c 15:32 nahuel intelectual expert 15:31 nahuel a real expert of marc21 :) 15:31 munin chris_n: The MARC code for or the name of the organization(s) that created the original bibliographic record, assigned MARC content designation and transcribed the record into machine-readable form, or modified (except for the addition of holdings symbols) an existing MARC record. These data and the code in 008/39 (Cataloging source) specify the parties responsible for the bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,6,8] 15:31 chris_n @marc 040 15:31 nahuel héhé no 15:31 * owen points at gmcharlt 15:31 chris_n opps 15:31 munin chris_n: unknown tag 021 15:31 chris_n @marc 021 15:30 owen Hi nahuel 15:30 nahuel any marc21 expert ? 15:30 nahuel people :) 15:30 nahuel hi 15:30 chris_n but I try to keep them happy even if I cannot anyone else 15:29 * chris_n thinks they could just reverse engineer the thing personally :) 15:29 owen Based on that use case I'd definitely say a change to the circ history page would be a better solution 15:28 chris_n the librarians seem to think that they could better show the patron by knowing the data of renewal 15:28 chris_n there was a patron who contested a fine as having been calculated from the original date of issue 15:26 owen What need would be fulfilled by adding the renewal information? When do your librarians find themselves wanting to know? 15:26 owen Right now it doesn't make much sense to me 15:25 owen I would love for the circ history page to be more informative and more usable 15:25 chris_n but maybe that is a more appropriate location to have it displayed 15:25 chris_n circ history does not show it either 15:25 owen I don't think so 15:24 chris_n is there somewhere else that they can get that info? 15:24 chris_n I think so 15:23 owen ...because there might be more than one 15:23 owen Would you want just the last renewal date? 15:23 owen I think the amount of data we're cramming into that table is becoming really unmanageable 15:22 chris_n perhaps between the "checked out on" column and the "call no" column...? 15:22 owen chris_n: Where would you put it? 15:21 chris_n owen: what do you think: our librarians would like to see the renewal date (if there is one) displayed on circulation.pl in the checkout tab 15:20 * chris_n owns nearly half of an IT support company and we do nothing of the sort there 15:20 chris_n schuster: an NDA on a customer service agreement and covering comments on QOS? 15:11 * paul_p would be happy to have more libraries saying what they think... 15:11 paul_p even if she never comes here ! 15:11 paul_p joanna Hause ++ 14:40 schuster NDA is standard for many Proprietary systems... 14:34 gmcharlt the very best of cataloging humor - http://twitter.com/FakeRDA 14:33 owen "Surely an NDA is not part of a standard service contract." At least not until now! 14:30 chris_n nice feature by kyle 14:13 munin kf: Karma for "larsw" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. 14:13 kf @karma larsw 14:12 collum I will second that. larsw++ 14:09 wizzyrea larsw++ 14:09 wizzyrea larsw++ 14:09 wizzyrea larsw++ 14:09 wizzyrea owen: that is cery cute 13:35 * chris_n will take two at that price :) 13:24 gmcharlt owen: that would be $39.95 per return 13:24 owen Not until munin finally learns how to do my taxes 13:24 magnus being proficient in munin should probably be one of the less important things in one's life... ;-) 13:22 schuster Thanks magnus... I dabble but never become proficient in anything! 13:20 munin magnus: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 127 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 126. 13:20 magnus @karma gmcharlt 13:19 schuster karma 13:19 schuster karma gmcharlt + 13:19 schuster gmcharlt karma+ 13:18 schuster gmcharlt++ 13:14 collum Thanks for pushing all the patches gmcharlt 13:14 chris node.js 13:14 chris another thing to look at 13:13 magnus apt_get_install_koha++ 13:12 owen Cute jquery trick: http://moronicbajebus.com/blog/jstackmenu/files/ 13:12 magnus well said, chris 13:10 owen "apt-get install koha" I love it! 13:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4256 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm replication broken and corrupts data when used without update 13:10 gmcharlt if any users of auth_with_ldap are around, would appreciate a test of the patch just sent for bug 4256 12:59 chris http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2010-April/011253.html <-- focus on the important thngs, like debian packaging and bug fixing, everythng else is distraction 12:57 schuster Hello. Near tears over all this discussion. 12:51 owen Hi schuster 12:49 owen slef++ # for his LibLime thoughts on the list 12:42 * paul_p echoes owen & send thankfull waves to jwagner & jdavidb . Sincerely 12:40 kf I still hope that the problems can be solved. 12:38 * collum as well. 12:37 * kf echoes owen too 12:33 * magnus_away echoes owen too 12:32 * gmcharlt echoes owen 12:32 owen jwagner: You and jdavidb represent the best possible way for PTFS to participate and collaborate, and I had high hopes for the future based on that 12:31 owen jwagner: I'm sorry if you've been hurt by any comments here. We're all pretty steamed about the statements coming from your colleagues, but we really appreciate your participation 12:30 jwagner Nobody is forbidding us anything. But I don't mind saying that I've been personally hurt by a lot of comments recently and I am increasingly uncomfortable about staying online. 12:27 chris so not yet at least 12:26 chris still here so far 12:26 paul_p owen, right (i'm afraid...) 12:26 owen This morning my worry is that jdavidb and jwagner will be forbidden from participating here 12:26 paul_p we really took the right decision when not agreeing to a conf call (ie : it was not "cancelling it"...) 12:25 * paul_p discovers ptfs/ll toughts... (it shows clearly their misunderstandings...) 12:24 Nate chris_n, nice post! 12:24 Nate morning everyone 12:23 chris heh 12:23 * owen catches up on the gossip in the log 12:21 owen Hello #koha 12:17 kmkale bye 12:17 kmkale great. enjoy the weekend all. off for a swim.. 12:16 chris yes 12:16 kmkale so for now master = rel_3_2 correct? 12:16 chris its better to file against a version 12:16 chris head is kinda meaningless 12:14 kmkale Sorry if I am bothering you with stupid questions. I am just trying to understand the structure 12:14 kmkale i can see 556 bugs in HEAD and 154 in rel_3_2 under advanced search so how are these two different? 12:11 chris :) 12:11 jransom off to bed; taking teenage girls to Wgtn tomorrow. No doubt we'll end up at Te papa ... probly see Chris there with his boys 12:10 jransom 3 pages down - and only 5 tiny bugs found ! 12:07 kmkale gr8. 12:07 chris nope just the web installer 12:06 kmkale now in a dev install after I do a git fetch and git rebase origin/master do I need to run through the script based install part again? 12:06 chris yep 12:05 kmkale so currently we have master and 3.0.x branches right? 12:04 kmkale oh. OK. 12:04 chris 3.2 is master currently, when its closer to release, it will branch to 3.2.x and master will be for work for 3.4 12:03 kmkale or 3.2? 12:03 chris doesnt exist 12:03 kmkale is it derived from master? 12:02 kmkale then what about the 3.4 branch? 12:02 joetho 705 bugs found] 12:02 joetho http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Koha&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity 12:02 gmcharlt kmkale: nothing fresher :) 12:01 kmkale ok. so when you guys approve a patch where does it go? master? I mean is that THE latest? 12:00 chris git rebase origin/master 12:00 chris then git fetch 12:00 chris if you are on master 11:59 gmcharlt will tell you 11:59 kmkale havent selected a branch while following the git usage wiki doc 11:59 gmcharlt git status 11:59 chris right 11:59 kmkale umm head? master? 11:58 chris what branch are you on? 11:58 kmkale i have only applied the icu patch 11:57 kmkale whats the correct git command to update dev install to head? 11:54 kmkale no just looking around 11:53 jransom is there a particular bug area you are looking for? 11:52 chris sounds plausible 11:48 kmkale HEAD 556 bugs found 11:47 kmkale Thanks 11:47 kmkale OK 11:46 chris you will get all open ones 11:46 chris without changing anything 11:46 chris and if you just hit submit there 11:45 chris do advanced 11:45 kmkale chris: oh so i have to know what to search for. :( 11:45 jransom Hello Paul 11:45 paul_p back from Amsterdam ! 11:45 paul_p hello world ! 11:45 chris kmkale: you have to do a search 11:44 chris hi paul_p 11:44 kmkale on bugs.koha.org how do I see a list of all open bugs? 11:37 gmcharlt thanks! 11:37 gmcharlt slef: since we seem to have give you US-style presidential campagin TV debates, could you send us Question Time? 11:36 CGI529 ok 11:36 chris not once you have repartitioned and installed all over it i dont 11:35 CGI529 Chris: do u have knowledge of recovering data from linux plateform.. if yes than I install debian 11:35 jransom cya nengard 11:35 nengard and great responses from all while I was sleeping!! see you soon! 11:34 chris no idea sorry CGI529 11:34 CGI529 Now I installed window 11:34 nengard time to head out - thanks chris 11:34 chris usually when jransom is asleep tho 11:34 nengard so - of course there were a ton of commits last night and today I'm out of the office so I can't work on updating the manual to reflect those changes!!! 11:34 CGI529 I was on debian/linux 11:34 jransom I know ... but you know... stuff 11:34 jwagner I'm here every day.... 11:34 * jdavidb waves to jwagner 11:33 jransom nice to see you 11:33 jwagner Morning 11:33 jransom HI jwagner 11:33 chris windows or linux? 11:33 CGI529 how can I recover files? 11:33 CGI529 I again partitioned 11:32 CGI529 my hard drive was formatted unintentionaly.... I lost my all koha files 11:31 nengard there it is :) I did git rebase origing --continue and it didn't work :) 11:30 chris git rebase --continue 11:30 nengard did that 11:30 chris git add 11:30 kmkale CGI529 why not give Ubuntu a try and forget about viruses 11:30 nengard did that 11:30 chris fix the file 11:30 jransom by crikey mjray writes a good letter 11:30 nengard rebase 11:30 CGI529 Then I install window, on which viruses attacked that I again partitioned it. Now I installed window... How can I recover file 11:30 chris are you doing a merge or a rebase? 11:30 nengard hi chris 11:29 nengard but i don't know what :) 11:29 nengard morning all can someone remind me of the git syntax if there were merge errors - after i fix the files i do something with --continue 11:29 kmkale oohh 11:29 chris morning nengard 11:29 chris ouch! 11:28 CGI529 my hard drive was formatted unintentionaly.... I lost my all koha files 11:28 chris sorry 4.30pm 11:28 chris hmm so 10.00 UTC is 3.30pm india eh? 11:27 CGI529 hi 11:26 kmkale 4.56 PM 11:26 chris what time is it there now? 11:26 chris :( 11:26 kmkale 19.00 UTC is 00.30 midnight India time :( 11:23 * gmcharlt wanders off in search of caffeine 11:23 gmcharlt good morning 11:23 chris tgif eh? 11:23 jdavidb Hi, chris. 11:23 chris hi jdavidb 11:19 jransom and we have a kohacon meeting soemtime too 11:19 kf 19:00 UTC+0 11:18 kf ok - thx :) 11:18 jransom times? 11:18 gmcharlt and Wednesday, the 5th, is the general meeting 11:18 jransom doh! 11:18 gmcharlt but yes, next Tuesday, the 4th is the community meeting 11:18 kf jransom: thats aprils dates 11:18 gmcharlt kf: sorry, I shouldn't quote dates without looking at a calendar 11:17 kf I tought 4th and 5th 11:16 kf jransom: now im really confused 11:16 jransom thats cool - they are on the events calender 11:15 jransom coomunity on 6th and general onthe 7th 11:15 kf can not type ? today... 11:14 kf 7th= 11:14 jransom so are there really meeting son the 5th, 6th and 7th? 11:12 jransom oh ... i thought nicle added it today after i mucked it up 11:11 kf updating my calendar so I wont miss anything this time 11:10 kf jransom: thats what I did, the community meeting is there, but did not find the developer 11:09 jransom you could check the up to date koha-community.org website which is maintained by community volunteers :) 11:08 gmcharlt yes 11:07 kf 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May? 11:06 kf ß=? 11:06 kf is there a date for the next developer meetingß 11:03 munin kf: 18, 5, and 10 11:03 kf @games dice 3d20 11:03 kf looks like a game for roleplayers 10:55 munin jransom: 2, 3, and 2 10:55 jransom @games dice 3d3 10:54 munin jransom: 2, 2, and 1 10:54 jransom @games dice 3d3 10:54 munin jransom: 3, 3, and 2 10:54 jransom @games dice 3d3 10:54 chilts all even so far 10:54 munin chilts: 2, 4, and 4 10:54 chilts @games dice 3d6 10:54 munin chilts: 6, 2, and 2 10:54 chilts @games dice 3d6 10:53 munin chilts: (games dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice. 10:53 chilts @games dice 10:53 jransom i want that funny drinks one 10:53 munin gmcharlt: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette 10:53 gmcharlt @list Games 10:53 jransom list games 10:53 munin jransom: Error: The "Games" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "highball" in it. Try "list Games" to see the commands in the "Games" plugin. 10:53 jransom @games highball 10:52 jransom heya AMit 10:52 gmcharlt hi Amit_G 10:52 Amit_G heya galen, jransom 10:52 munin jransom: *click* 10:52 jransom @games roulette 10:52 munin jransom: *click* 10:52 jransom @games roulette 10:52 chilts :( 10:52 gmcharlt not your lucky day 10:52 munin chilts: Error: No factoid matches that key. 10:52 chilts @whatis gmcharlt 10:52 jransom flip - 2 bangs of 2 10:51 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 10:51 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 10:51 jransom @games roulette 10:51 munin gmcharlt: "jransom" could be Joann Ransom. Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. 10:51 gmcharlt @whatis jransom 10:51 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 10:51 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 10:51 jransom @games roulette 10:50 jransom what is jransom 10:50 jransom who is jransom 10:50 munin jransom: The operation succeeded. 10:50 jransom @learn jransom as Joann Ransom. Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. 10:49 munin jransom: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 14.6�C (10:49 PM NZST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising). 10:49 jransom @wunder Levin, New Zealand 10:45 mason yep, cu2 (teen-speak) 10:44 munin tirabo: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 10.0�C (7:00 AM ART on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 10:44 tirabo @wunder Cordoba, Argentina 10:44 jransom cya Mason 10:43 mason im gonna wander off for some tea 10:43 kf back 10:41 chilts yeah, he's a superstar 10:40 jransom oh that is exciting 10:39 chilts larsw++ 10:39 chilts I saw larsw's demo earlier today, he's done some great work!!! 10:39 chris_n neat! 10:39 chilts except I'm too excited, got my concept logos from the designer today (gonna start a company sometime this year) :) 10:38 chilts heh, I'm just thinking of switching the light off 10:38 * chris_n wanders off to find breakfast 10:38 chris_n snap 10:38 chris_n [off] <your_un-logged_comment_goes_here> 10:38 chilts [off] yeah, anything that starts with [off] 10:37 jransom so replacing that - bit 10:37 chris_n and then your comments to follow that "tag" 10:36 mason [off] moo moo 10:36 chris_n [off] <- 10:36 jransom [off] ? 10:36 jransom how do you do that? 10:35 mason oh *that* much, i do know.. :) 10:35 chris_n [off] and remember how to prefix your comments so that they aren't logged :) 10:35 jransom oh well get it off your chest then :) do remember this is a public place though - and logged 10:34 mason i dont think i'm capable of writing a tactful letter to the mailing-lists 10:32 * mason quite impressed with the ranting.. 10:29 jransom and filling work requests for chris :) 10:29 mason no, because *i* have to win! 10:29 jransom i'm trying to catch up on all the testing i shuld have done this week 10:29 mason cant we all just get along...? 10:28 mason ...risking something as beneficial as the koha project, for some lame short-term profit :/ 10:28 chilts I thought that was ... normal? 10:28 * chilts sleeps at night 10:27 chilts heh 10:26 jransom when do you sleep? 10:24 mason i don't know how some people sleep at night, really...! 10:20 jransom its nice :) 10:19 mason s/go/got/ 10:19 mason sometimes you've just go to laugh... 10:17 jransom you're quite talkative tonight Mason :) 10:16 mason "let us in!, let us in! , its soo cold out here, outside the castle walls..." 10:15 mason yes, everyone wandering off to another paddock was genuis! 10:11 mason lol, ever the programmer galen 10:11 mason heh, click.. 10:10 gmcharlt mason: I don't think anybody has added AI to it yet, so I don't think it can take offense :) 10:10 mason no offense to the src-code obv. 10:10 mason yunno.. the actual koha source-code itself is pretty darn worthless, without an enthusiast community to learn it, teach it, hack on it... 10:08 jransom I can actually find stuff! 10:08 jransom yep - I love it. 10:07 mason but yeah, great to have a proper website back.... 10:06 mason (dune quote...) 10:06 jransom thats great! 10:06 mason he who controls the spice, controls the universe! 10:05 jransom but without the community .... 10:05 jransom it did - the community made it magical 10:05 jransom lol 10:05 jransom whay dont they just admit its over - probably never imagined we'd wander off to another site 10:05 mason but then.. someone thought that the koha.org website contained a *magical* power 10:05 magnus hehe 10:04 jransom poor JY must be thinking: "what is wrong with these people!" 10:04 mason just because they wanted too!! 10:04 mason why...? 10:04 mason ah, those were the days... when enthusiastic members of the koha community, updated the koha.org website... 10:04 magnus jransom: yeah, the NZ trademark application is hardly a friendly gesture 10:03 kf :) 10:03 jransom cya Katrin 10:03 jransom I was thinking, usually when a company 'buys' another with an established user group then the 'user group' would just roll over and do what they are told. 10:03 kf colleagues waiting for me to go to lunch - bbl 10:02 mason but hay, having a proper community website back again is great! 10:01 jransom the NZ trademark application was a wee punch in the stomach so we know whose boss 10:01 mason heh, yeah the commits were funny/clumsy 10:01 jransom well its nuts: LEK is not Koha 10:00 kf jransom: I think worse was linking liblime to koha.org 10:00 mason the NZ-trademark thing is a pretty 'bold' move too... 10:00 jransom Kelly edited wikipedia entry for koha and toom out links to koha-community.rg and made them go to koha.org - which is no longer the home of Koha of course 09:59 mason i feel a little guilty of chatting bout it on #public irc, but it feels kinda good ;) 09:59 jransom i loved chris's tweet: never engage in a wikipedia war with a librarian: they have tons of time and know how to reference things! 09:57 reed s 09:57 reed being a vendor I'm shy to toss that onto the fire but I hope someone doe 09:56 * chris_n thinks some posts show that some are still missing the point 09:56 gmcharlt jransom: it wasn't really mentioned outside of #koha 09:55 jransom maybe people dont know 09:55 jransom oh yeah 09:55 jransom i'm glad that letter found its way online 09:55 mason im curious to see how other people join the dots, on the mailing-lists... 09:55 reed one thing I haven't seen mentioned on the list was their wikipedia edit 09:55 jransom yep absolutely 09:54 mason feels kinda good talking about it now that its semi-public... 09:53 jransom yeah -very weird. 09:53 kf and the community is more than vendors 09:53 jransom oh that one. 09:53 kf but I found it weird that ptfs send the first letter about koha.org only to vendors... 09:53 chris_n g'morning 09:53 kf jransom: thats ok - was not speaking about the committee, I know you need to communicate to each other 09:52 jransom I don't believe there are, other than the 2 weeks of negotiations with PTFS which have been reported publically pretty comprehensively 09:51 mason i'll tell you over a beer and pizza sometime... 09:51 kf I really hope there are no more closed lists now 09:51 mason kf: correct ;) 09:50 kf mason: I think we dont know what letter you are talking about, because this was a closed list 09:50 mason i bet JY hasnt read *that* letter 09:49 jransom I don't know either 09:49 jransom ? 09:49 kf koha-manage? 09:49 mason the funniest bit for me , is that first letter to the koha-manage list re: ptfs 09:48 kf jransom: I think you are right on that 09:46 jransom interesting though - looking at it from the balcony. 09:46 mason lol, yeah pretty far gone 09:45 jransom like we were talking different languages - it was extraordinary. I truly don't think has any idea at all how his approach was just so wrong on so many levels 09:45 mason well.... ;) 09:44 jransom indeed. and i have been thinking over how and why the PTFS / Koha Community 'thing' was so difficult 09:44 mason anways, i talk to much.... 09:43 mason yeah, aggressive business tactics dont seem to work so well, in this situ... 09:41 jransom really interesting in many ways. and i agree the many calm rational comments have been thoughtful and thought provoking 09:41 jransom and looking at compnay culture / institutional culture etc 09:40 jransom and analysing the way vendors have 'managed' open source 09:40 hdl_laptop hi galen 09:40 jransom looking back 09:40 jransom I was thinking that it will make an interesting study later 09:39 mason oops, opinion 09:39 jransom hi galen 09:39 mason and thats a pretty good indication of your community's opioion 09:38 gmcharlt good morning 09:38 mason ... i could safely bet - there wouldnt be a single vendor that would agree with ptfs/ll's position 09:37 reed it's made for a very long day for me and I'm mostly just a spectator; it's definitely proven why FLOSS is so tasty 09:37 mason http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 09:37 mason i was just thinking before, out of all of the 24 vendors listed here.... 09:35 mason i mean its stressful for sure. some of this stuff is unpleasant to handle.... 09:34 reed It's fun to see so many well written and calm responses on the mailing list to the "hey lookie, I just bought Koha, I demand you give me all your lovins" dude 09:34 mason i just have to say, in all lightness... isnt this story getting pretty fascinating... 09:33 * magnus waves at mason and everyone else 09:33 jransom hey babe :) 09:32 * mason waves.... 09:23 magnus interesting! 09:18 jransom This was shown to me today: http://www.opensource.org/node/476 Its about how open source is about so much more than just the code 09:14 jransom and, it is a big hard learning curve - believe me I know - but so satisfying 09:13 jransom and libraies who have become dependendt on LL wuould feel the same - or just not be interested / able to cut loose 09:12 jransom so they would be reluctant / scared / nerous / apprehensive / all of the above about going 'open' open source 09:11 jransom I see libraries in NZ who want to be handheld still with their LMS 09:10 jransom yes 09:08 magnus i think it will important now for the decisionmakers in the libraries to be well aware of what FOSS really is, and that they are not just choosing between two similar products, but between two different philosophies with quite different ramifications 09:07 jransom how does 'bait and switch' fit in here? 09:06 chris they could, but it would be very hard 09:06 jransom I feel sorry for them to. money is so hard to come by and i bet many can't afford to walk away 09:05 magnus and feel sorry for those in the middle of looong contracts 09:05 jransom hey i was wondering, say someone had a contract with liblime for koha under the understanding / believe it was open source, couldn't they claim breach of contract now its PTFS and LEK? 09:05 magnus guess this will be a time for libraries to choose sides 09:04 chris plano 09:04 jransom waldo? 09:03 chris im sad that it looks like at least one library that uses koha believes that, but encouraged that others dont 09:02 jransom yes indeed 09:02 magnus but of course, it could be made to look that way, if someone wanted to 09:02 jransom Fantastic committee - always 'on', worked issues through to consensus, all letters were team efforts, and all members have such integrity 09:01 magnus i don't think anyone who knows the tinyest bit about you would think that 08:59 jransom well we did try, even if it looks like we walked away at the first opportunity (which we didnt) 08:58 magnus jransom, chris et al: thanks for the great work you are all doing for the community! 08:58 magnus hi jransom 08:57 jransom hi Magnus 08:57 magnus you're very welcome! 08:57 chris thanks magnus 08:57 magnus welcome back, chris ;-) 08:50 chris back 08:31 jransom k 08:30 chris bbiab 08:24 jransom it is very sad. the other cat keeps loooking for her mate 08:22 chris hopefully its just on holiday 08:22 chris that is sad 08:22 chris :( 08:22 jransom and feeling sad that my son't cat has been gone for 2 days 08:21 jransom i loved Don's comment on koha-community 08:20 jransom and test and report bugs 08:20 jransom im trying to summon the strength to go look at the WRs 08:20 jransom no 08:18 chris have you noticed i turned on the sounds at circulation? 08:17 jransom hi chris 08:17 chris evening jransom 08:04 kf yes :( 07:59 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/3641326/Toddler-needs-another-2-5m-surgery-after-transplant-fails 07:55 chris oh thats quite sad 07:53 chris hi kf 07:44 kf morning chris 07:44 kf larsw++ 07:33 chris he showed me a demo this morning, it was very very cool 07:33 chris and yes larsw++ 07:32 chris fredericd++ 07:32 kf chris_n++ 07:31 kf hi Amit_G 07:29 Amit_G heya kf 07:27 kf morning koha 07:25 nicomo matts_: around? 07:19 nicomo Hi Amit_G magnus_away 07:18 Amit_G heya nicomo, magnus 06:54 magnus reed: it is, all that other stuff is just about one company among many 06:51 reed maybe it is 06:50 reed lars and his packages work should have been the news of the day 06:49 * magnus is happy to see all those commits on a day like this! 06:19 genji gah. 06:19 munin genji: Error: "roll" is not a valid command. 06:19 genji @roll 3d6 06:18 munin Amit_G: tails 06:18 Amit_G @coin 06:18 genji how goes? 06:18 genji hiya Amit. 06:18 Amit_G heya genji 06:08 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 36.0�C (11:00 AM IST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 06:08 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi 06:07 munin Amit_G: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. 06:07 Amit_G @wunder 06:07 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 06:07 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore 06:02 munin brendan: Your current monologue is at least 5 lines long. 06:02 brendan @monologue 06:02 brendan one more 06:01 munin brendan: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long. 06:01 brendan @monologue 06:01 munin brendan: *click* 06:01 brendan @roulette 06:01 munin brendan: heads 06:01 brendan @coin 05:14 schuster ok then off to bed I go. Just finished reading and replying to the PTFS post. 05:13 schuster anyone about? 03:25 brendan morning Amit_G 03:25 Amit_G heya brendan, chris 02:47 chris get some sleep slef ;) 02:47 slef ok, bbl 02:47 chris yep 02:46 chilts cool, so that stats thing is now on http://git.koha-community.org/stats/ :) 02:42 slef brendan: has the contract ended automatically or can you end it? Feel like a public confetti show? 02:39 brendan too late for the show... but nice to see a lot of git repository hosting messages in my email box gmcharlt++ 02:38 brendan wow lots to read back through 02:36 brendan PTFS did a contract with me in the beginning (I was getting married) but haven't worked with them since then 02:36 slef hi brendan ;-) 02:36 brendan heya slef 02:29 slef or at least how they present it 02:29 slef I think PTFS's USP is that they talk off-list 02:29 chris yep, no problem at all 02:28 slef if they're scared of posting to the list, really 02:28 chris oh certainly 02:28 slef getting started in the Koha community 02:28 chris slef: about? 02:27 slef well done joetho 02:27 slef chris: can I suggest lurkers email you? 02:26 chris night joetho 02:25 joetho thank you and goodnight! 02:25 joetho Well served. 02:25 joetho thank you for your earlier listserv post, chris_n. 02:24 chris_n g'night 02:23 joetho LEK participation does not appear to be a contractual requirement on our part. 02:23 joetho As per the terms of our contract. 02:23 joetho Happily, though, I think we will be able to update or 3.0x installation to 3.2 when the time comes. 02:22 chilts :( 02:22 joetho Groan. 02:22 joetho We are in year 2 of a 5 year contract. 02:21 joetho Thankfully, we have thus far resisted the siren song of LEK. 02:20 joetho My 25 lib consortium was an unwitting Liblime customer, now PTFS. 02:13 * collum is also calling it a night. 02:12 * jdavidb waddles off to bed. Busy day tomorrow, need mah beauty rest. 02:12 braedon|home1 was just on #xkcd and they were also 02:11 braedon|home1 ... why is everyone talking about ssd today? 02:10 * gmcharlt looks forward to the day 02:09 chris_n I'd imagine that mechanical drives will be obsolete before long 02:07 * jdavidb has an ittle bitty ssd in his netbook, but that's it. 02:07 chris me too 02:06 * chris_n wishes he could afford ssds 02:06 collum just caught up on the IRC logs and my email. Interesting day. chris_n++ 02:05 chris_n nice 02:05 chris might be worth looking at 02:04 chris http://lwn.net/Articles/385442/rss 02:00 jdavidb howdy, chris_n 02:00 chris_n heya jdavidb 01:57 slef chris: I don't watch that closely. It felt like there were more. 01:45 chris i think bywater is the only one 01:45 lee thanks for all you do for us lowly librarians Koha is the best thing that has ever happened to my library 01:45 slef brendan: are you here? ;-) 01:45 slef another question: will those other companies who have loudly announced partnerships with PTFS pull out of them? 01:44 * chris_n hands gmcharlt some coffee he just made 01:44 gmcharlt lee++ 01:44 lee NZ pizza and beer for EVERYONE!!! 01:43 lee hmmm not feeling the love so much anymore 01:43 slef lee: great on sponsorship. software.coop agreed to sponsor some stuff (I still need to write that up) but not refreshments. 01:43 lee :( 01:43 chris_n lee: I think the greater question is will their employer let them play after today 01:43 lee guess i should just ask her 01:42 lee :/ 01:41 lee just wonder if they will still play after today 01:41 chris me too 01:41 lee yea me too 01:41 lee chris_n was giving her a nod 01:41 * gmcharlt states for the record that he appreciates the contributions of all PTFS employees who have submitted patches 01:41 slef roflmao http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/page/pwned-39138.jpg 01:41 gmcharlt right 01:40 lee galen just about jane wagner and the PTFS thingy 01:40 gmcharlt lee: nm, I see (and also need coffee) 01:40 chris thats the one 01:39 lee i send my graphic to russel/ yea/ 01:39 gmcharlt lee: saw you mention my name, didn't get the context 01:39 chris send your logo in the email 01:39 chris yup 01:39 lee will I get a sponsership banner? 01:39 chris thank you 01:39 lee chris I will do that 01:38 lee yea Galen? 01:38 gmcharlt lee: ? 01:38 chris is where you can put money straight into the coffers 01:38 chris if you want to email russel with that info, and then http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ 01:38 lee chris put me down and we can settle on the details 01:38 lee they won't be able to play without permission 01:37 chris lee that would be fantastic 01:37 lee unlike Galen 01:37 chris_n yup 01:37 lee yea... but they have to do what they have to do 01:37 chris_n lee: I would love to, but not this time 01:37 lee see you in NZ chris_n? 01:36 chris_n I must go on record as noting the contribution of both jwager and jdavidb, however 01:36 chris_n tnx lee 01:36 lee let me know 01:36 lee BTW speaking of contributing my library would like to sponser food or drink for the hackfest 01:35 lee behind all our other excellent vendors who actually contribute 01:35 lee yeah boyos get in line 01:34 lee well stated 01:34 lee thank you 01:34 lee nice 01:34 lee ah Chris_n 01:34 chilts if not higher (and very untrue) 01:34 lee It seems clear from this statement that PTFS views itself as somehow on a plane of equality with the Koha community 01:32 lee reading....link 01:31 chris_n lol 01:31 chris hehe 01:31 lee chris_n :) 01:31 lee my banner ad is for Auckland hotel Mercure....crazy how do they know??? 01:30 chris_n lee: http://old.nabble.com/LibLime-Thoughts-to28406334.html 01:30 lee nicole said it was gooooood 01:29 chris_n lee: om 01:29 slef I think that would be a baaad move 01:29 lee chris_n do you have a link to your response? to PTFS 01:29 * chris_n hands slef coffee 01:29 chris_n ouch 01:29 slef chris_n: +0100, yes. 0230 here. 01:28 chris_n slef: aren't you close to gmt? 01:28 nengard okay all - it's time for me to head to bed - won't be around tomorrow -giving a Koha lecture and then teaching Mashups to libararians - see you all next week (or maybe over the weekend some) 01:28 nengard chilts that is awesome 01:27 * chilts has to stop talking about it and do 01:27 chris slef: i think we stated the facts fairly succintly in the report 01:27 chilts I find that with everything going on with LL/PTFS, my willingness to participate in the community is stronger ... hopefully I'll have a play (finally) and send in some patches :) 01:27 chris as it was being negotiated the wiki edits came along too, which didnt help 01:26 chris slef: the agenda was not agreed on, it was tentatively scheduled, certainly not confirmed by everyone on the committee 01:26 lee did I just type arch evil? 01:25 lee Koha is just a vehicle for their archievelware 01:25 lee that makes sense 01:25 lee yea 01:25 lee *gagging* 01:25 slef lee: I smell an Archivalware merger attempt, what about you? 01:25 chris i think is the rebrand 01:24 chris its now PTFS Fully managed solution 01:24 lee but i wonder if they will take Koha code and create the next freakinstien 01:24 slef larsw: aka LL's E&E'd Koha 01:24 larsw ah, ack 01:24 slef larsw: LibLime's Enterprise Koha 01:24 slef http://koha-community.org/hlt-koha-committee-report-on-discussions-with-ptfs/ reads like it wasn't. 01:24 larsw newbie here... what is LEK? 01:24 lee excellent 01:23 slef chris: was the conference call ever scheduled? 01:23 chris its finally over, and we can stop worrying about it 01:23 lee esp. the LEKers 01:23 lee agreed 01:23 chris its a relief for the rest of us 01:23 chris lee: its a disaster for ptfs and their clients 01:23 lee Oh by the way I don't care who reads what I say 01:22 lee we had been talking about what the next disaster would be guess we know 01:22 lee ah 01:22 nengard lee not that we know of 01:21 lee did they cancel their LL contract? 01:20 lee I was looking for some feed back from Liz about the PTFS deal 01:20 lee sorry guys 01:18 slef I think the universe just woke me to reply to that email. 01:17 richard it's that kind of a day 01:17 chilts caffeine? 01:17 slef urgh - why am I awake? 01:14 chris i think she isnt 01:14 chris hiya lee 01:10 lee you around? 01:10 lee liz 00:40 chris_n enter that url into the openid box 00:40 chris_n found it: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id 00:36 nengard wizzyrea is probably the one to ask 00:35 nengard chris_n .... um .... have never done it .... :( 00:35 chris_n nengard: what is the correct format for adding a gmail account as an openid in wordpress? 00:34 mason yeah, i think so nicole.. 00:34 nengard I like to think I can teach anyone - but I see now that sometimes I have to just let it go 00:33 nengard What is most frustrating to me - as an educator - is that no matter how hard we all try we can't seem to make them understand what open source is and how it works - it's so easy to understand if you just open your mind up a little bit and listen 00:33 mason well done everyone :) 00:32 nengard you did very well and kept emotion out of it and stuck to facts 00:32 chris_n tnx, I hoped to say things well 00:31 nengard I can do the post for you - but I want to empower you to be able to do it yourself :) 00:31 nengard here's an example from me: http://koha-community.org/april-2010-monthly-general-irc-meeting/ 00:30 Joann off for food 00:30 Joann yep - had to - it was awful 00:30 nengard sorry I didn't answer you before - you need a title and a body 00:29 nengard Joann - I don't see it - did you delete it? 00:29 nengard Joann, I'll go check it 00:29 nengard that was awesome 00:29 nengard chris_n++ 00:28 nengard :) 00:28 nengard had to look up "Ipse dixit." 00:25 reed chris_n++ as above 00:24 Joann Nicole - I did it butbadly I fear 00:24 Joann Galen: that would be grand :) 00:21 chris owen: yeah im in the same boat as you gonna sleep on it 00:21 Nate hiya chris, everyone 00:21 gmcharlt Joann: I'll just have to send you a remote control for my alarm clock :) 00:21 chris wb Nate 00:21 Joann WE sat on it for hours and hours and hours while Galen was sleeping :) 00:20 gmcharlt owen: good reason to sleep on it 00:20 * owen is still trying to decide if he can respond without using inappropriate language 00:20 owen chris_n++ # for a nice response on the list 00:19 Joann just in the heading or body or both 00:19 nengard to add the event - but make sure you write something in your post as well :) 00:19 nengard at the very bottom of your screen is an events area - click the plus sign 00:18 Joann ok 00:18 nengard real post 00:18 Joann quick press or a real post? 00:18 nengard then 'add new' under post 00:18 Joann then site admin 00:18 Joann ok - we'll i login first 00:18 chris tis cool 00:18 chris and it magically shows up 00:17 Joann yes please 00:17 chris and set the date 00:17 nengard Want me to teach you? 00:17 Joann I don't know how 00:17 chris you make a post 00:17 nengard sure - how? 00:17 Joann need to add in 5th may 1900 UTC Koha Dev meeting 00:17 Joann Can someone make a change to the event calender please on koha-community.org 00:16 rhcl Josh I and now Josh II 00:15 nengard LOL @owen 00:11 owen It's a shame Josh isn't sticking with Liblime and PTFS, they're made for each other. 00:10 owen I'd feel better if they were just stubbornly evil. Now they think they need to go on the record as insulting HLT andthe Koha community 00:10 nengard HLT++ 00:10 nengard Joann++ 00:09 nengard I'm with you though 00:09 nengard owen - not so much pissed off - as I am frustrated that no matter how hard we try we cna't seem to teach them what open source really means 00:06 owen Joann++ 00:06 owen LEK-- 00:06 owen Liblime-- 00:05 owen PTFS-- 00:05 * chris_n growls 00:04 owen Is everyone done being pissed off or can I join in?