Time Nick Message 00:04 owen Is everyone done being pissed off or can I join in? 00:05 * chris_n growls 00:05 owen PTFS-- 00:06 owen Liblime-- 00:06 owen LEK-- 00:06 owen Joann++ 00:09 nengard owen - not so much pissed off - as I am frustrated that no matter how hard we try we cna't seem to teach them what open source really means 00:09 nengard I'm with you though 00:10 nengard Joann++ 00:10 nengard HLT++ 00:10 owen I'd feel better if they were just stubbornly evil. Now they think they need to go on the record as insulting HLT andthe Koha community 00:11 owen It's a shame Josh isn't sticking with Liblime and PTFS, they're made for each other. 00:15 nengard LOL @owen 00:16 rhcl Josh I and now Josh II 00:17 Joann Can someone make a change to the event calender please on koha-community.org 00:17 Joann need to add in 5th may 1900 UTC Koha Dev meeting 00:17 nengard sure - how? 00:17 chris you make a post 00:17 Joann I don't know how 00:17 nengard Want me to teach you? 00:17 chris and set the date 00:17 Joann yes please 00:18 chris and it magically shows up 00:18 chris tis cool 00:18 Joann ok - we'll i login first 00:18 Joann then site admin 00:18 nengard then 'add new' under post 00:18 Joann quick press or a real post? 00:18 nengard real post 00:18 Joann ok 00:19 nengard at the very bottom of your screen is an events area - click the plus sign 00:19 nengard to add the event - but make sure you write something in your post as well :) 00:19 Joann just in the heading or body or both 00:20 owen chris_n++ # for a nice response on the list 00:20 * owen is still trying to decide if he can respond without using inappropriate language 00:20 gmcharlt owen: good reason to sleep on it 00:21 Joann WE sat on it for hours and hours and hours while Galen was sleeping :) 00:21 chris wb Nate 00:21 gmcharlt Joann: I'll just have to send you a remote control for my alarm clock :) 00:21 Nate hiya chris, everyone 00:21 chris owen: yeah im in the same boat as you gonna sleep on it 00:24 Joann Galen: that would be grand :) 00:24 Joann Nicole - I did it butbadly I fear 00:25 reed chris_n++ as above 00:28 nengard had to look up "Ipse dixit." 00:28 nengard :) 00:29 nengard chris_n++ 00:29 nengard that was awesome 00:29 nengard Joann, I'll go check it 00:29 nengard Joann - I don't see it - did you delete it? 00:30 nengard sorry I didn't answer you before - you need a title and a body 00:30 Joann yep - had to - it was awful 00:30 Joann off for food 00:31 nengard here's an example from me: http://koha-community.org/april-2010-monthly-general-irc-meeting/ 00:31 nengard I can do the post for you - but I want to empower you to be able to do it yourself :) 00:32 chris_n tnx, I hoped to say things well 00:32 nengard you did very well and kept emotion out of it and stuck to facts 00:33 mason well done everyone :) 00:33 nengard What is most frustrating to me - as an educator - is that no matter how hard we all try we can't seem to make them understand what open source is and how it works - it's so easy to understand if you just open your mind up a little bit and listen 00:34 nengard I like to think I can teach anyone - but I see now that sometimes I have to just let it go 00:34 mason yeah, i think so nicole.. 00:35 chris_n nengard: what is the correct format for adding a gmail account as an openid in wordpress? 00:35 nengard chris_n .... um .... have never done it .... :( 00:36 nengard wizzyrea is probably the one to ask 00:40 chris_n found it: https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id 00:40 chris_n enter that url into the openid box 01:10 lee liz 01:10 lee you around? 01:14 chris hiya lee 01:14 chris i think she isnt 01:17 slef urgh - why am I awake? 01:17 chilts caffeine? 01:17 richard it's that kind of a day 01:18 slef I think the universe just woke me to reply to that email. 01:20 lee sorry guys 01:20 lee I was looking for some feed back from Liz about the PTFS deal 01:21 lee did they cancel their LL contract? 01:22 nengard lee not that we know of 01:22 lee ah 01:22 lee we had been talking about what the next disaster would be guess we know 01:23 lee Oh by the way I don't care who reads what I say 01:23 chris lee: its a disaster for ptfs and their clients 01:23 chris its a relief for the rest of us 01:23 lee agreed 01:23 lee esp. the LEKers 01:23 chris its finally over, and we can stop worrying about it 01:23 slef chris: was the conference call ever scheduled? 01:24 lee excellent 01:24 larsw newbie here... what is LEK? 01:24 slef http://koha-community.org/hlt-koha-committee-report-on-discussions-with-ptfs/ reads like it wasn't. 01:24 slef larsw: LibLime's Enterprise Koha 01:24 larsw ah, ack 01:24 slef larsw: aka LL's E&E'd Koha 01:24 lee but i wonder if they will take Koha code and create the next freakinstien 01:24 chris its now PTFS Fully managed solution 01:25 chris i think is the rebrand 01:25 slef lee: I smell an Archivalware merger attempt, what about you? 01:25 lee *gagging* 01:25 lee yea 01:25 lee that makes sense 01:25 lee Koha is just a vehicle for their archievelware 01:26 lee did I just type arch evil? 01:26 chris slef: the agenda was not agreed on, it was tentatively scheduled, certainly not confirmed by everyone on the committee 01:27 chris as it was being negotiated the wiki edits came along too, which didnt help 01:27 chilts I find that with everything going on with LL/PTFS, my willingness to participate in the community is stronger ... hopefully I'll have a play (finally) and send in some patches :) 01:27 chris slef: i think we stated the facts fairly succintly in the report 01:27 * chilts has to stop talking about it and do 01:28 nengard chilts that is awesome 01:28 nengard okay all - it's time for me to head to bed - won't be around tomorrow -giving a Koha lecture and then teaching Mashups to libararians - see you all next week (or maybe over the weekend some) 01:28 chris_n slef: aren't you close to gmt? 01:29 slef chris_n: +0100, yes. 0230 here. 01:29 chris_n ouch 01:29 * chris_n hands slef coffee 01:29 lee chris_n do you have a link to your response? to PTFS 01:29 slef I think that would be a baaad move 01:29 chris_n lee: om 01:30 lee nicole said it was gooooood 01:30 chris_n lee: http://old.nabble.com/LibLime-Thoughts-to28406334.html 01:31 lee my banner ad is for Auckland hotel Mercure....crazy how do they know??? 01:31 lee chris_n :) 01:31 chris hehe 01:31 chris_n lol 01:32 lee reading....link 01:34 lee It seems clear from this statement that PTFS views itself as somehow on a plane of equality with the Koha community 01:34 chilts if not higher (and very untrue) 01:34 lee ah Chris_n 01:34 lee nice 01:34 lee thank you 01:34 lee well stated 01:35 lee yeah boyos get in line 01:35 lee behind all our other excellent vendors who actually contribute 01:36 lee BTW speaking of contributing my library would like to sponser food or drink for the hackfest 01:36 lee let me know 01:36 chris_n tnx lee 01:36 chris_n I must go on record as noting the contribution of both jwager and jdavidb, however 01:37 lee see you in NZ chris_n? 01:37 chris_n lee: I would love to, but not this time 01:37 lee yea... but they have to do what they have to do 01:37 chris_n yup 01:37 lee unlike Galen 01:37 chris lee that would be fantastic 01:38 lee they won't be able to play without permission 01:38 lee chris put me down and we can settle on the details 01:38 chris if you want to email russel with that info, and then http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ 01:38 chris is where you can put money straight into the coffers 01:38 gmcharlt lee: ? 01:38 lee yea Galen? 01:39 lee chris I will do that 01:39 chris thank you 01:39 lee will I get a sponsership banner? 01:39 chris yup 01:39 chris send your logo in the email 01:39 gmcharlt lee: saw you mention my name, didn't get the context 01:39 lee i send my graphic to russel/ yea/ 01:40 chris thats the one 01:40 gmcharlt lee: nm, I see (and also need coffee) 01:40 lee galen just about jane wagner and the PTFS thingy 01:41 gmcharlt right 01:41 slef roflmao http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/page/pwned-39138.jpg 01:41 * gmcharlt states for the record that he appreciates the contributions of all PTFS employees who have submitted patches 01:41 lee chris_n was giving her a nod 01:41 lee yea me too 01:41 chris me too 01:41 lee just wonder if they will still play after today 01:42 lee :/ 01:43 lee guess i should just ask her 01:43 chris_n lee: I think the greater question is will their employer let them play after today 01:43 lee :( 01:43 slef lee: great on sponsorship. software.coop agreed to sponsor some stuff (I still need to write that up) but not refreshments. 01:43 lee hmmm not feeling the love so much anymore 01:44 lee NZ pizza and beer for EVERYONE!!! 01:44 gmcharlt lee++ 01:44 * chris_n hands gmcharlt some coffee he just made 01:45 slef another question: will those other companies who have loudly announced partnerships with PTFS pull out of them? 01:45 slef brendan: are you here? ;-) 01:45 lee thanks for all you do for us lowly librarians Koha is the best thing that has ever happened to my library 01:45 chris i think bywater is the only one 01:57 slef chris: I don't watch that closely. It felt like there were more. 02:00 chris_n heya jdavidb 02:00 jdavidb howdy, chris_n 02:04 chris http://lwn.net/Articles/385442/rss 02:05 chris might be worth looking at 02:05 chris_n nice 02:06 collum just caught up on the IRC logs and my email. Interesting day. chris_n++ 02:06 * chris_n wishes he could afford ssds 02:07 chris me too 02:07 * jdavidb has an ittle bitty ssd in his netbook, but that's it. 02:09 chris_n I'd imagine that mechanical drives will be obsolete before long 02:10 * gmcharlt looks forward to the day 02:11 braedon|home1 ... why is everyone talking about ssd today? 02:12 braedon|home1 was just on #xkcd and they were also 02:12 * jdavidb waddles off to bed. Busy day tomorrow, need mah beauty rest. 02:13 * collum is also calling it a night. 02:20 joetho My 25 lib consortium was an unwitting Liblime customer, now PTFS. 02:21 joetho Thankfully, we have thus far resisted the siren song of LEK. 02:22 joetho We are in year 2 of a 5 year contract. 02:22 joetho Groan. 02:22 chilts :( 02:23 joetho Happily, though, I think we will be able to update or 3.0x installation to 3.2 when the time comes. 02:23 joetho As per the terms of our contract. 02:23 joetho LEK participation does not appear to be a contractual requirement on our part. 02:24 chris_n g'night 02:25 joetho thank you for your earlier listserv post, chris_n. 02:25 joetho Well served. 02:25 joetho thank you and goodnight! 02:26 chris night joetho 02:27 slef chris: can I suggest lurkers email you? 02:27 slef well done joetho 02:28 chris slef: about? 02:28 slef getting started in the Koha community 02:28 chris oh certainly 02:28 slef if they're scared of posting to the list, really 02:29 chris yep, no problem at all 02:29 slef I think PTFS's USP is that they talk off-list 02:29 slef or at least how they present it 02:36 brendan heya slef 02:36 slef hi brendan ;-) 02:36 brendan PTFS did a contract with me in the beginning (I was getting married) but haven't worked with them since then 02:38 brendan wow lots to read back through 02:39 brendan too late for the show... but nice to see a lot of git repository hosting messages in my email box gmcharlt++ 02:42 slef brendan: has the contract ended automatically or can you end it? Feel like a public confetti show? 02:46 chilts cool, so that stats thing is now on http://git.koha-community.org/stats/ :) 02:47 chris yep 02:47 slef ok, bbl 02:47 chris get some sleep slef ;) 03:25 Amit_G heya brendan, chris 03:25 brendan morning Amit_G 05:13 schuster anyone about? 05:14 schuster ok then off to bed I go. Just finished reading and replying to the PTFS post. 06:01 brendan @coin 06:01 munin brendan: heads 06:01 brendan @roulette 06:01 munin brendan: *click* 06:01 brendan @monologue 06:01 munin brendan: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long. 06:02 brendan one more 06:02 brendan @monologue 06:02 munin brendan: Your current monologue is at least 5 lines long. 06:07 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore 06:07 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 06:07 Amit_G @wunder 06:07 munin Amit_G: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. 06:08 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi 06:08 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 36.0�C (11:00 AM IST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 06:18 Amit_G heya genji 06:18 genji hiya Amit. 06:18 genji how goes? 06:18 Amit_G @coin 06:18 munin Amit_G: tails 06:19 genji @roll 3d6 06:19 munin genji: Error: "roll" is not a valid command. 06:19 genji gah. 06:49 * magnus is happy to see all those commits on a day like this! 06:50 reed lars and his packages work should have been the news of the day 06:51 reed maybe it is 06:54 magnus reed: it is, all that other stuff is just about one company among many 07:18 Amit_G heya nicomo, magnus 07:19 nicomo Hi Amit_G magnus_away 07:25 nicomo matts_: around? 07:27 kf morning koha 07:29 Amit_G heya kf 07:31 kf hi Amit_G 07:32 kf chris_n++ 07:32 chris fredericd++ 07:33 chris and yes larsw++ 07:33 chris he showed me a demo this morning, it was very very cool 07:44 kf larsw++ 07:44 kf morning chris 07:53 chris hi kf 07:55 chris oh thats quite sad 07:59 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/3641326/Toddler-needs-another-2-5m-surgery-after-transplant-fails 08:04 kf yes :( 08:17 chris evening jransom 08:17 jransom hi chris 08:18 chris have you noticed i turned on the sounds at circulation? 08:20 jransom no 08:20 jransom im trying to summon the strength to go look at the WRs 08:20 jransom and test and report bugs 08:21 jransom i loved Don's comment on koha-community 08:22 jransom and feeling sad that my son't cat has been gone for 2 days 08:22 chris :( 08:22 chris that is sad 08:22 chris hopefully its just on holiday 08:24 jransom it is very sad. the other cat keeps loooking for her mate 08:30 chris bbiab 08:31 jransom k 08:50 chris back 08:57 magnus welcome back, chris ;-) 08:57 chris thanks magnus 08:57 magnus you're very welcome! 08:57 jransom hi Magnus 08:58 magnus hi jransom 08:58 magnus jransom, chris et al: thanks for the great work you are all doing for the community! 08:59 jransom well we did try, even if it looks like we walked away at the first opportunity (which we didnt) 09:01 magnus i don't think anyone who knows the tinyest bit about you would think that 09:02 jransom Fantastic committee - always 'on', worked issues through to consensus, all letters were team efforts, and all members have such integrity 09:02 magnus but of course, it could be made to look that way, if someone wanted to 09:02 jransom yes indeed 09:03 chris im sad that it looks like at least one library that uses koha believes that, but encouraged that others dont 09:04 jransom waldo? 09:04 chris plano 09:05 magnus guess this will be a time for libraries to choose sides 09:05 jransom hey i was wondering, say someone had a contract with liblime for koha under the understanding / believe it was open source, couldn't they claim breach of contract now its PTFS and LEK? 09:05 magnus and feel sorry for those in the middle of looong contracts 09:06 jransom I feel sorry for them to. money is so hard to come by and i bet many can't afford to walk away 09:06 chris they could, but it would be very hard 09:07 jransom how does 'bait and switch' fit in here? 09:08 magnus i think it will important now for the decisionmakers in the libraries to be well aware of what FOSS really is, and that they are not just choosing between two similar products, but between two different philosophies with quite different ramifications 09:10 jransom yes 09:11 jransom I see libraries in NZ who want to be handheld still with their LMS 09:12 jransom so they would be reluctant / scared / nerous / apprehensive / all of the above about going 'open' open source 09:13 jransom and libraies who have become dependendt on LL wuould feel the same - or just not be interested / able to cut loose 09:14 jransom and, it is a big hard learning curve - believe me I know - but so satisfying 09:18 jransom This was shown to me today: http://www.opensource.org/node/476 Its about how open source is about so much more than just the code 09:23 magnus interesting! 09:32 * mason waves.... 09:33 jransom hey babe :) 09:33 * magnus waves at mason and everyone else 09:34 mason i just have to say, in all lightness... isnt this story getting pretty fascinating... 09:34 reed It's fun to see so many well written and calm responses on the mailing list to the "hey lookie, I just bought Koha, I demand you give me all your lovins" dude 09:35 mason i mean its stressful for sure. some of this stuff is unpleasant to handle.... 09:37 mason i was just thinking before, out of all of the 24 vendors listed here.... 09:37 mason http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 09:37 reed it's made for a very long day for me and I'm mostly just a spectator; it's definitely proven why FLOSS is so tasty 09:38 mason ... i could safely bet - there wouldnt be a single vendor that would agree with ptfs/ll's position 09:38 gmcharlt good morning 09:39 mason and thats a pretty good indication of your community's opioion 09:39 jransom hi galen 09:39 mason oops, opinion 09:40 jransom I was thinking that it will make an interesting study later 09:40 jransom looking back 09:40 hdl_laptop hi galen 09:40 jransom and analysing the way vendors have 'managed' open source 09:41 jransom and looking at compnay culture / institutional culture etc 09:41 jransom really interesting in many ways. and i agree the many calm rational comments have been thoughtful and thought provoking 09:43 mason yeah, aggressive business tactics dont seem to work so well, in this situ... 09:44 mason anways, i talk to much.... 09:44 jransom indeed. and i have been thinking over how and why the PTFS / Koha Community 'thing' was so difficult 09:45 mason well.... ;) 09:45 jransom like we were talking different languages - it was extraordinary. I truly don't think has any idea at all how his approach was just so wrong on so many levels 09:46 mason lol, yeah pretty far gone 09:46 jransom interesting though - looking at it from the balcony. 09:48 kf jransom: I think you are right on that 09:49 mason the funniest bit for me , is that first letter to the koha-manage list re: ptfs 09:49 kf koha-manage? 09:49 jransom ? 09:49 jransom I don't know either 09:50 mason i bet JY hasnt read *that* letter 09:50 kf mason: I think we dont know what letter you are talking about, because this was a closed list 09:51 mason kf: correct ;) 09:51 kf I really hope there are no more closed lists now 09:51 mason i'll tell you over a beer and pizza sometime... 09:52 jransom I don't believe there are, other than the 2 weeks of negotiations with PTFS which have been reported publically pretty comprehensively 09:53 kf jransom: thats ok - was not speaking about the committee, I know you need to communicate to each other 09:53 chris_n g'morning 09:53 kf but I found it weird that ptfs send the first letter about koha.org only to vendors... 09:53 jransom oh that one. 09:53 kf and the community is more than vendors 09:53 jransom yeah -very weird. 09:54 mason feels kinda good talking about it now that its semi-public... 09:55 jransom yep absolutely 09:55 reed one thing I haven't seen mentioned on the list was their wikipedia edit 09:55 mason im curious to see how other people join the dots, on the mailing-lists... 09:55 jransom i'm glad that letter found its way online 09:55 jransom oh yeah 09:55 jransom maybe people dont know 09:56 gmcharlt jransom: it wasn't really mentioned outside of #koha 09:56 * chris_n thinks some posts show that some are still missing the point 09:57 reed being a vendor I'm shy to toss that onto the fire but I hope someone doe 09:57 reed s 09:59 jransom i loved chris's tweet: never engage in a wikipedia war with a librarian: they have tons of time and know how to reference things! 09:59 mason i feel a l ittle guilty of chatting bout it on #public irc, but it feels kinda good ;) 10:00 jransom Kelly edited wikipedia entry for koha and toom out links to koha-community.rg and made them go to koha.org - which is no longer the home of Koha of course 10:00 mason the NZ-trademark thing is a pretty 'bold' move too... 10:00 kf jransom: I think worse was linking liblime to koha.org 10:01 jransom well its nuts: LEK is not Koha 10:01 mason h eh, yeah the commits were funny/clumsy 10:01 jransom the NZ trademark application was a wee punch in the stomach so we know whose boss 10:02 mason but hay, having a proper community website back again is great! 10:03 kf colleagues waiting for me to go to lunch - bbl 10:03 jransom I was thinking, usually when a company 'buys' another with an established user group then the 'user group' would just roll over and do what they are told. 10:03 jransom cya Katrin 10:03 kf :) 10:04 magnus jransom: yeah, the NZ trademark application is hardly a friendly gesture 10:04 mason ah, those were the days... when enthusiastic members of the koha community, updated the koha.org website... 10:04 mason why...? 10:04 mason just because they wanted too!! 10:04 jransom poor JY must be thinking: "what is wrong with these people!" 10:05 magnus hehe 10:05 mason but then.. someone thought that the koha.org website contained a *magical* power 10:05 jransom whay dont they just admit its over - probably never imagined we'd wander off to another site 10:05 jransom lol 10:05 jransom it did - the community made it magical 10:05 jransom but without the community .... 10:06 mason he who controls the spice, controls the universe! 10:06 jransom thats great! 10:06 mason (dune quote...) 10:07 mason but yeah, great to have a proper website back.... 10:08 jransom yep - I love it. 10:08 jransom I can actually find stuff! 10:10 mason yunno.. the actual koha source-code itself is pretty darn worthless, without an enthusiast community to learn it, teach it, hack on it... 10:10 mason no offense to the src-code obv. 10:10 gmcharlt mason: I don't think anybody has added AI to it yet, so I don't think it can take offense :) 10:11 mason heh, click.. 10:11 mason lol, ever the programmer galen 10:15 mason yes, everyone wandering off to another paddock was genuis! 10:16 mason "let us in!, let us in! , its soo cold out here, outside the castle walls..." 10:17 jransom you're quite talkative tonight Mason :) 10:19 mason sometimes you've just go to laugh... 10:19 mason s/go/got/ 10:20 jransom its nice :) 10:24 mason i don't know how some people sleep at night, really...! 10:26 jransom when do you sleep? 10:27 chilts heh 10:28 * chilts sleeps at night 10:28 chilts I thought that was ... normal? 10:28 mason ...risking something as beneficial as the koha project, for some lame short-term profit :/ 10:29 mason cant we all just get along...? 10:29 jransom i'm trying to catch up on all the testing i shuld have done this week 10:29 mason no, because *i* have to win! 10:29 jransom and filling work requests for chris :) 10:32 * mason quite impressed with the ranting.. 10:34 mason i dont think i'm capable of writing a tactful letter to the mailing-lists 10:35 jransom oh well get it off your chest then :) do remember this is a public place though - and logged 10:35 chris_n [off] and remember how to prefix your comments so that they aren't logged :) 10:35 mason oh *that* much, i do know.. :) 10:36 jransom how do you do that? 10:36 jransom [off] ? 10:36 chris_n [off] <- 10:36 mason [off] moo moo 10:37 chris_n and then your comments to follow that "tag" 10:37 jransom so replacing that - bit 10:38 chilts [off] yeah, anything that starts with [off] 10:38 chris_n [off] <your_un-logged_comment_goes_here> 10:38 chris_n snap 10:38 * chris_n wanders off to find breakfast 10:38 chilts heh, I'm just thinking of switching the light off 10:39 chilts except I'm too excited, got my concept logos from the designer today (gonna start a company sometime this year) :) 10:39 chris_n neat! 10:39 chilts I saw larsw's demo earlier today, he's done some great work!!! 10:39 chilts larsw++ 10:40 jransom oh that is exciting 10:41 chilts yeah, he's a superstar 10:43 kf back 10:43 mason im gonna wander off for some tea 10:44 jransom cya Mason 10:44 tirabo @wunder Cordoba, Argentina 10:44 munin tirabo: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 10.0�C (7:00 AM ART on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 10:45 mason yep, cu2 (teen-speak) 10:49 jransom @wunder Levin, New Zealand 10:49 munin jransom: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 14.6�C (10:49 PM NZST on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising). 10:50 jransom @learn jransom as Joann Ransom. Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. 10:50 munin jransom: The operation succeeded. 10:50 jransom who is jransom 10:50 jransom what is jransom 10:51 jransom @games roulette 10:51 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 10:51 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 10:51 gmcharlt @whatis jransom 10:51 munin gmcharlt: "jransom" could be Joann Ransom. Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. 10:51 jransom @games roulette 10:51 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 10:51 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 10:52 jransom flip - 2 bangs of 2 10:52 chilts @whatis gmcharlt 10:52 munin chilts: Error: No factoid matches that key. 10:52 gmcharlt not your lucky day 10:52 chilts :( 10:52 jransom @games roulette 10:52 munin jransom: *click* 10:52 jransom @games roulette 10:52 munin jransom: *click* 10:52 Amit_G heya galen, jransom 10:52 gmcharlt hi Amit_G 10:52 jransom heya AMit 10:53 jransom @games highball 10:53 munin jransom: Error: The "Games" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "highball" in it. Try "list Games" to see the commands in the "Games" plugin. 10:53 jransom list games 10:53 gmcharlt @list Games 10:53 munin gmcharlt: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette 10:53 jransom i want that funny drinks one 10:53 chilts @games dice 10:53 munin chilts: (games dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice. 10:54 chilts @games dice 3d6 10:54 munin chilts: 6, 2, and 2 10:54 chilts @games dice 3d6 10:54 munin chilts: 2, 4, and 4 10:54 chilts all even so far 10:54 jransom @games dice 3d3 10:54 munin jransom: 3, 3, and 2 10:54 jransom @games dice 3d3 10:54 munin jransom: 2, 2, and 1 10:55 jransom @games dice 3d3 10:55 munin jransom: 2, 3, and 2 11:03 kf looks like a game for roleplayers 11:03 kf @games dice 3d20 11:03 munin kf: 18, 5, and 10 11:06 kf is there a date for the next developer meetingß 11:06 kf ß=? 11:07 kf 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May? 11:08 gmcharlt yes 11:09 jransom you could check the up to date koha-community.org website which is maintained by community volunteers :) 11:10 kf jransom: thats what I did, the community meeting is there, but did not find the developer 11:11 kf updating my calendar so I wont miss anything this time 11:12 jransom oh ... i thought nicle added it today after i mucked it up 11:14 jransom so are there really meeting son the 5th, 6th and 7th? 11:14 kf 7th= 11:15 kf can not type ? today... 11:15 jransom coomunity on 6th and general onthe 7th 11:16 jransom thats cool - they are on the events calender 11:16 kf jransom: now im really confused 11:17 kf I tought 4th and 5th 11:18 gmcharlt kf: sorry, I shouldn't quote dates without looking at a calendar 11:18 kf jransom: thats aprils dates 11:18 gmcharlt but yes, next Tuesday, the 4th is the community meeting 11:18 jransom doh! 11:18 gmcharlt and Wednesday, the 5th, is the general meeting 11:18 jransom times? 11:18 kf ok - thx :) 11:19 kf 19:00 UTC+0 11:19 jransom and we have a kohacon meeting soemtime too 11:23 chris hi jdavidb 11:23 jdavidb Hi, chris. 11:23 chris tgif eh? 11:23 gmcharlt good morning 11:23 * gmcharlt wanders off in search of caffeine 11:26 kmkale 19.00 UTC is 00.30 midnight India time :( 11:26 chris :( 11:26 chris what time is it there now? 11:26 kmkale 4.56 PM 11:27 CGI529 hi 11:28 chris hmm so 10.00 UTC is 3.30pm india eh? 11:28 chris sorry 4.30pm 11:28 CGI529 my hard drive was formatted unintentionaly.... I lost my all koha files 11:29 chris ouch! 11:29 chris morning nengard 11:29 kmkale oohh 11:29 nengard morning all can someone remind me of the git syntax if there were merge errors - after i fix the files i do something with --continue 11:29 nengard but i don't know what :) 11:30 nengard hi chris 11:30 chris are you doing a merge or a rebase? 11:30 CGI529 Then I install window, on which viruses attacked that I again partitioned it. Now I installed window... How can I recover file 11:30 nengard rebase 11:30 jransom by crikey mjray writes a good letter 11:30 chris fix the file 11:30 nengard did that 11:30 kmkale CGI529 why not give Ubuntu a try and forget about viruses 11:30 chris git add 11:30 nengard did that 11:30 chris git rebase --continue 11:31 nengard there it is :) I did git rebase origing --continue and it didn't work :) 11:32 CGI529 my hard drive was formatted unintentionaly.... I lost my all koha files 11:33 CGI529 I again partitioned 11:33 CGI529 how can I recover files? 11:33 chris windows or linux? 11:33 jransom HI jwagner 11:33 jwagner Morning 11:33 jransom nice to see you 11:34 * jdavidb waves to jwagner 11:34 jwagner I'm here every day.... 11:34 jransom I know ... but you know... stuff 11:34 CGI529 I was on debian/linux 11:34 nengard so - of course there were a ton of commits last night and today I'm out of the office so I can't work on updating the manual to reflect those changes!!! 11:34 chris usually when jransom is asleep tho 11:34 nengard time to head out - thanks chris 11:34 CGI529 Now I installed window 11:34 chris no idea sorry CGI529 11:35 nengard and great responses from all while I was sleeping!! see you soon! 11:35 jransom cya nengard 11:35 CGI529 Chris: do u have knowledge of recovering data from linux plateform.. if yes than I install debian 11:36 chris not once you have repartitioned and installed all over it i dont 11:36 CGI529 ok 11:37 gmcharlt slef: since we seem to have give you US-style presidential campagin TV debates, could you send us Question Time? 11:37 gmcharlt thanks! 11:44 kmkale on bugs.koha.org how do I see a list of all open bugs? 11:44 chris hi paul_p 11:45 chris kmkale: you have to do a search 11:45 paul_p hello world ! 11:45 paul_p back from Amsterdam ! 11:45 jransom Hello Paul 11:45 kmkale chris: oh so i have to know what to search for. :( 11:45 chris do advanced 11:46 chris and if you just hit submit there 11:46 chris without changing anything 11:46 chris you will get all open ones 11:47 kmkale OK 11:47 kmkale Thanks 11:48 kmkale HEAD 556 bugs found 11:52 chris sounds plausible 11:53 jransom is there a particular bug area you are looking for? 11:54 kmkale no just looking around 11:57 kmkale whats the correct git command to update dev install to head? 11:58 kmkale i have only applied the icu patch 11:58 chris what branch are you on? 11:59 kmkale umm head? master? 11:59 chris right 11:59 gmcharlt git status 11:59 kmkale havent selected a branch while following the git usage wiki doc 11:59 gmcharlt will tell you 12:00 chris if you are on master 12:00 chris then git fetch 12:00 chris git rebase origin/master 12:01 kmkale ok. so when you guys approve a patch where does it go? master? I mean is that THE latest? 12:02 gmcharlt kmkale: nothing fresher :) 12:02 joetho http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Koha&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity 12:02 joetho 705 bugs found] 12:02 kmkale then what about the 3.4 branch? 12:03 kmkale is it derived from master? 12:03 chris doesnt exist 12:03 kmkale or 3.2? 12:04 chris 3.2 is master currently, when its closer to release, it will branch to 3.2.x and master will be for work for 3.4 12:04 kmkale oh. OK. 12:05 kmkale so currently we have master and 3.0.x branches right? 12:06 chris yep 12:06 kmkale now in a dev install after I do a git fetch and git rebase origin/master do I need to run through the script based install part again? 12:07 chris nope just the web installer 12:07 kmkale gr8. 12:10 jransom 3 pages down - and only 5 tiny bugs found ! 12:11 jransom off to bed; taking teenage girls to Wgtn tomorrow. No doubt we'll end up at Te papa ... probly see Chris there with his boys 12:11 chris :) 12:14 kmkale i can see 556 bugs in HEAD and 154 in rel_3_2 under advanced search so how are these two different? 12:14 kmkale Sorry if I am bothering you with stupid questions. I am just trying to understand the structure 12:16 chris head is kinda meaningless 12:16 chris its better to file against a version 12:16 kmkale so for now master = rel_3_2 correct? 12:16 chris yes 12:17 kmkale great. enjoy the weekend all. off for a swim.. 12:17 kmkale bye 12:21 owen Hello #koha 12:23 * owen catches up on the gossip in the log 12:23 chris heh 12:24 Nate morning everyone 12:24 Nate chris_n, nice post! 12:25 * paul_p discovers ptfs/ll toughts... (it shows clearly their misunderstandings...) 12:26 paul_p we really took the right decision when not agreeing to a conf call (ie : it was not "cancelling it"...) 12:26 owen This morning my worry is that jdavidb and jwagner will be forbidden from participating here 12:26 paul_p owen, right (i'm afraid...) 12:26 chris still here so far 12:27 chris so not yet at least 12:30 jwagner Nobody is forbidding us anything. But I don't mind saying that I've been personally hurt by a lot of comments recently and I am increasingly uncomfortable about staying online. 12:31 owen jwagner: I'm sorry if you've been hurt by any comments here. We're all pretty steamed about the statements coming from your colleagues, but we really appreciate your participation 12:32 owen jwagner: You and jdavidb represent the best possible way for PTFS to participate and collaborate, and I had high hopes for the future based on that 12:32 * gmcharlt echoes owen 12:33 * magnus_away echoes owen too 12:37 * kf echoes owen too 12:38 * collum as well. 12:40 kf I still hope that the problems can be solved. 12:42 * paul_p echoes owen & send thankfull waves to jwagner & jdavidb . Sincerely 12:49 owen slef++ # for his LibLime thoughts on the list 12:51 owen Hi schuster 12:57 schuster Hello. Near tears over all this discussion. 12:59 chris http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2010-April/011253.html <-- focus on the important thngs, like debian packaging and bug fixing, everythng else is distraction 13:10 gmcharlt if any users of auth_with_ldap are around, would appreciate a test of the patch just sent for bug 4256 13:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4256 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm replication broken and corrupts data when used without update 13:10 owen "apt-get install koha" I love it! 13:12 magnus well said, chris 13:12 owen Cute jquery trick: http://moronicbajebus.com/blog/jstackmenu/files/ 13:13 magnus apt_get_install_koha++ 13:14 chris another thing to look at 13:14 chris node.js 13:14 collum Thanks for pushing all the patches gmcharlt 13:18 schuster gmcharlt++ 13:19 schuster gmcharlt karma+ 13:19 schuster karma gmcharlt + 13:19 schuster karma 13:20 magnus @karma gmcharlt 13:20 munin magnus: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 127 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 126. 13:22 schuster Thanks magnus... I dabble but never become proficient in anything! 13:24 magnus being proficient in munin should probably be one of the less important things in one's life... ;-) 13:24 owen Not until munin finally learns how to do my taxes 13:24 gmcharlt owen: that would be $39.95 per return 13:35 * chris_n will take two at that price :) 14:09 wizzyrea owen: that is cery cute 14:09 wizzyrea larsw++ 14:09 wizzyrea larsw++ 14:09 wizzyrea larsw++ 14:12 collum I will second that. larsw++ 14:13 kf @karma larsw 14:13 munin kf: Karma for "larsw" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. 14:30 chris_n nice feature by kyle 14:33 owen "Surely an NDA is not part of a standard service contract." At least not until now! 14:34 gmcharlt the very best of cataloging humor - http://twitter.com/FakeRDA 14:40 schuster NDA is standard for many Proprietary systems... 15:11 paul_p joanna Hause ++ 15:11 paul_p even if she never comes here ! 15:11 * paul_p would be happy to have more libraries saying what they think... 15:20 chris_n schuster: an NDA on a customer service agreement and covering comments on QOS? 15:20 * chris_n owns nearly half of an IT support company and we do nothing of the sort there 15:21 chris_n owen: what do you think: our librarians would like to see the renewal date (if there is one) displayed on circulation.pl in the checkout tab 15:22 owen chris_n: Where would you put it? 15:22 chris_n perhaps between the "checked out on" column and the "call no" column...? 15:23 owen I think the amount of data we're cramming into that table is becoming really unmanageable 15:23 owen Would you want just the last renewal date? 15:23 owen ...because there might be more than one 15:24 chris_n I think so 15:24 chris_n is there somewhere else that they can get that info? 15:25 owen I don't think so 15:25 chris_n circ history does not show it either 15:25 chris_n but maybe that is a more appropriate location to have it displayed 15:25 owen I would love for the circ history page to be more informative and more usable 15:26 owen Right now it doesn't make much sense to me 15:26 owen What need would be fulfilled by adding the renewal information? When do your librarians find themselves wanting to know? 15:28 chris_n there was a patron who contested a fine as having been calculated from the original date of issue 15:28 chris_n the librarians seem to think that they could better show the patron by knowing the data of renewal 15:29 owen Based on that use case I'd definitely say a change to the circ history page would be a better solution 15:29 * chris_n thinks they could just reverse engineer the thing personally :) 15:30 chris_n but I try to keep them happy even if I cannot anyone else 15:30 nahuel hi 15:30 nahuel people :) 15:30 nahuel any marc21 expert ? 15:30 owen Hi nahuel 15:31 chris_n @marc 021 15:31 munin chris_n: unknown tag 021 15:31 chris_n opps 15:31 * owen points at gmcharlt 15:31 nahuel héhé no 15:31 chris_n @marc 040 15:31 munin chris_n: The MARC code for or the name of the organization(s) that created the original bibliographic record, assigned MARC content designation and transcribed the record into machine-readable form, or modified (except for the addition of holdings symbols) an existing MARC record. These data and the code in 008/39 (Cataloging source) specify the parties responsible for the bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,6,8] 15:31 nahuel a real expert of marc21 :) 15:32 nahuel intelectual expert 15:32 chris_n @marc 040$c 15:32 munin chris_n: unknown tag 040$c 15:32 chris_n munin you've disappointed me 15:32 munin chris_n: Error: "you've" is not a valid command. 15:33 nahuel We have a lot of documents for a same collection 15:33 nahuel and a lot of records for this collection 15:33 nahuel each record represent a part of contract 15:33 nahuel where can we specify this ? 15:33 kf @marc 040c 15:33 munin kf: unknown tag 040c 15:34 gmcharlt @marc 773 15:34 munin gmcharlt: Information concerning the host item for the constituent unit described in the record (vertical relationship). In the case of host items that are serial or multi-volume in nature, information in subfields $g and $q is necessary to point to the exact location of the component part within the bibliographic item. (Repeatable) [b,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,3,6,7,8] 15:34 gmcharlt nahuel: ^^ as one possibility 15:34 nahuel okay 15:34 chris_n ahh... the marc-master has spoken :) 15:34 nahuel thanks 15:35 nahuel héhé 15:35 chris_n owen: I may make a few changes to the circ history page and send the patch to you to check out if you don't mind 15:35 owen Sounds great chris_n 15:50 kf have a nice weekend all 15:59 CGI359 Ping 15:59 owen Do you have a question CGI359 ? 16:00 CGI359 Nae, just testing the software - thanks though. 16:27 cait hi #koha 16:27 jdavidb hi, cait. :) 16:27 jwagner hi cait 16:39 nahuel do you know what is "control-number" in marc21 ? 16:40 cait hi jwagner and jdavidb 16:40 cait nahuel 001? 16:40 cait @marc 001 16:40 munin cait: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] 16:41 cait our union catalog identifier is carried in 001 16:41 cait @marc 003 16:41 munin cait: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). [] 16:51 wizzyrea owen: you about? I have a not necessarily koha related question for youy 16:51 owen Present! 16:52 wizzyrea ok, I'm looking at www.atchisonlibrary.org in IE 7, and the menus are popping behind the headers for the posts 16:52 wizzyrea and I'm totally clueless as to why 16:52 wizzyrea >.< 16:52 wizzyrea don't take more than 5 minutes to look at it, if you have a minute to look at it at all 16:53 wizzyrea or rather, if you don't have time... no worries 16:53 owen Of course 16:53 owen I like the design 16:53 wizzyrea it's pretty, isn't it? 17:09 jwagner wizzyrea, for what it's worth, it seems to look OK in IE8 17:10 owen Looking at Bug 4418 17:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4418 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, required patron attributes not red 17:11 owen "When a patron attribute is required it should be in red like other required fields" 17:11 owen You can make a patron attribute required? 17:11 * owen is trying to find it 17:18 magnus_away owen: BorrowerMandatoryField http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=c19#AEN2231 17:18 magnus_away ooops i'm supposed to be away... 17:20 owen Those fields are already in red. I assumed the bug was referring to Patron Attribute Types 17:31 nahuel gmcharlt, owen 17:31 nahuel why opac detail search for authors only between 700 and 720 17:31 nahuel and it doesn't look in 110 ? 17:32 gmcharlt hmm - 110 is a corporate author, thus different index, but no reason not to hyperlink 17:32 nahuel ok 17:50 slef hi #koha 17:51 slef my postings to koha@lists.katipo - too much, enough, more? 17:53 slef and seredipitiously given what I was writing about, lisnews just sent me "Ten Reasons Why Professional Librarian is an Oxymoron2 http://bit.ly/cDtgps 17:56 owen slef: I'm enjoying hearing your comments on the list. Keep it up. 17:57 wizzyrea slef: I always like to hear you say you feel better after reflection :) 17:58 slef wizzyrea: it read better than "after sleep" ;-) 17:59 slef I think I meant serendipitiously. 18:01 wizzyrea oh dear lol 18:02 slef today has not been a golden one 18:02 slef delays which I could do nothing about 18:03 slef 8.25 hours worked, 7pm and still hours to work 18:04 wizzyrea owen: can you get any more awesome 18:04 wizzyrea I mean really. 18:04 wizzyrea excellent blog post, chum. 18:06 owen Thanks, I could have gone into great detail on that one but I felt like publishing something fairly quick 18:08 slef link please? 18:10 owen http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=536 18:10 slef tyvm 18:10 slef yippee 18:11 * slef is a statistician at heart still 18:11 slef hrm, NonCommercial licensed :-/ 18:12 owen slef: I'm sure you could teach me many things about smart statistics. I don't have any training 18:13 slef I wasn't all that successful as a teacher. 18:13 slef That might have been the UK education sector as much as me, though. 18:14 slef I guess we need more libraries using Koha for a few years to be able to get enough of them interested in some really smart stats. 18:15 gmcharlt slef: Bob Molyneux at Equinox is *extremely* interested in any and all kinds of library usage statistics 18:19 slef If anyone's ever interested in funding a stray statistician to analyse them, I'd love to get an enquiry. I think I've had two usage projects in the last 5 years. 18:21 slef First class honours on the first degree, but sadly I failed my doctorate in a blaze of questions at an oral exam years after I finished the research (I didn't revise well enough IMO - others have blamed university politics, but I'm not sure). 18:22 slef I don't remember exactly when the exam was, but I think I was working for TTLLP/software.coop, so it must have been two years or more after I finished studying. 18:22 slef anyway, back to my inboxes 18:23 slef bgkriegel will wonder if this is #koha or #failedStatsDoctors 18:36 bgkriegel yes I do :) 18:36 bgkriegel I never finished my PHD in Physics 18:59 owen Has someone begun the process of moving our Bugzilla database or are we waiting on a community decision? 19:02 owen Maybe what I'm remembering is that git.koha-community.org was moving forward 19:02 wizzyrea yes, owen, that is set up 19:02 wizzyrea idk about bugs though 19:03 gmcharlt I think chris is organizing hosting by Catalyst 19:03 owen I'm steamed enough right now that just seeing that @liblime.com address from Bugzilla irritates me 19:05 wizzyrea I guess the worst problem 19:05 wizzyrea is getting the current bugs out 19:05 schuster Laying low don't want to get shot. 19:06 wizzyrea aww, you won't get shot 19:06 brendan we won't shout you schuster 19:06 brendan but munin he may 19:06 wizzyrea or shout at you 19:06 brendan @roulette 19:06 munin brendan: *click* 19:06 owen You're a Texan schuster, do you guys pack heat 24/7? 19:06 wizzyrea ... 19:06 brendan hehe - s/shout/shot 19:07 * slef puts some cold water on owen and turns on a fan to clear the steam 19:07 * owen hisses 19:07 schuster Some do it's our right isn't it.... I'm actually from Minnesota where they carry shotguns in the back window of the truck mounted, loaded and ready to go. 19:07 slef for some reason, pack heat always makes me think about animals on heat 19:07 slef not the image I wanted to go to dinner with - thanks all :-/ 19:07 slef bbl 19:07 schuster hmmmm steak on a grill... 19:08 slef schuster: not what I meant, you know? 19:08 gmcharlt schuster: in Alaska, somes we just used autombiles to hunt moose. why settle for a measly shotgun :) 19:09 gmcharlt (for those wondering: no, not really, but there was a program to donate the moose carcass to charity or a family after a car-moose collision) 19:09 * owen suspected gmcharlt was using the term "we" loosely 19:09 chris was there anything left of the car??? 19:09 slef not in the ones I've seen 19:09 schuster slef - I tried to fix the image you painted... 19:10 slef bbl 19:10 gmcharlt chris: no, a moose will total even the largest of SUVs 19:10 schuster Same with Deer in Minnesota. You hit one it was time for a new car. 19:10 chris ok time to get the boy up to take to soccer 19:10 chris for the record, taking my 3 year old son to play football trumped a phone call to the US 19:11 * chris heads off 19:11 schuster Always should... :) 19:14 * chris_n has to move quickly to avoid the avalanche of an overflowing inbox :) 19:15 brendan chris_ overflow with patches is good ;) 19:19 chris_n yup; all three lists have been buzzing today 19:28 wizzyrea boo no nengard 19:28 wizzyrea @later tell nengard of course I'd be happy to work on getting the translations translated to wp 19:28 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 19:29 schuster owen - I need your professional opinion on web design. 19:29 schuster I'm looking at using some images - what is the optimum size when you might have say 8-12 on a page and want the page to load fairly fast. 19:30 * wizzyrea wasn't asked, but I'd try to keep each one under 100k 19:30 wizzyrea K 19:30 schuster I was hopeful you would respond anyway... 19:30 wizzyrea :D 19:31 schuster I'm working on the picture driven interface of predefines searches geared toward k-2 students. 19:31 schuster so what would be the opitumum square do you think? 19:31 owen I would probably go lower, maybe 50 or 60KB. 19:32 owen ...but that's just off the top of my head, no research to back it up 19:33 owen schuster: optimum square? 19:33 schuster I'm finding some great pictures in public domain or CC - so I should be able to share what I end up with if people want it. This picture I have is 1800 x 2700... so yes size wise.. 19:34 schuster I'm going to use fireworks after I have all of my images to resize them to a standard size, HxW as well... 19:40 schuster another question - I want to find all of the bibs that have no items attached... suggestions for an sql? 19:41 owen schuster: Did you look here already? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=sql_library 19:42 owen I see it, "All bibs without items" 19:42 owen SELECT biblio.biblionumber, biblio.title 19:42 owen FROM biblio 19:42 owen LEFT JOIN items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber 19:42 owen WHERE items.itemnumber is NULL 19:43 wizzyrea ^^ love the report library 19:43 wizzyrea should mention that jwagner has put up TONS of those reports. I"m so grateful for her contribution there. 19:45 schuster Well yes there it is.. I looked, but didn't go down the the catalog section as the "contents list" didn't indicate the other reports my bad... 19:45 schuster I did go there first, just didn't go deep enough. sorry to bother everyone. 19:45 wizzyrea no no it's fine :) 19:46 * wizzyrea thinks of yet something else to link directly from the koha-community website 19:46 schuster wizzyrea I was thinking that too, but didn't want to put too much up there... 19:47 wizzyrea ? why not? 19:47 schuster Even it if was in the support section with the listserves. 19:47 schuster Don't want to overwhelm people with stuff. 19:47 wizzyrea oh pish posh. Organization is the key to overcoming overwhelmedness :D 19:48 wizzyrea Would you like to buy an O? Circular and sweet, a nearly perfect circle, nearly good enough to eat. You can sing a little song with it like so: Ohh, Ohh, Ohh... 19:48 * wizzyrea may have spent a little too much time with sesame street. 19:49 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml6Yqu-spnM 19:49 chris_n hmm... must be Friday :) 19:49 chris_n owen++ # for a nice koha blog entry today 19:49 chris_n very nifty 19:50 wizzyrea A NICKEL! shh! a nickel! Riiiight. 19:50 owen ?! 19:50 wizzyrea see: above linked video 19:51 * wizzyrea is tired of serious talk >.> 19:51 wizzyrea injecting a bit of levity 19:51 wizzyrea Hee! 19:52 cait wizzyrea++ 19:53 chris_n the google chart stuff is very cool 19:54 owen They can turn out pretty but they're a pain in the butt to put together 19:57 chris_n what data format do you use for your charts? 19:58 chris_n wizzyrea: is there a section of the koha-community.org site appropriate to linking to very helpful things like owen's blog? 19:59 cait wizzyrea: I will dream about Os 19:59 chris_n maybe on the support page 19:59 rhcl cait, are you on the right channel? 20:00 cait rhcl: its not my fault, its wizzyrea's - she let me watch this sesame street video 20:01 wizzyrea I did. It's true. 20:01 rhcl Ohhhhhhh. I see now. The alphabet "O". Yea, I didn't watch the vid. 20:02 cait rhcl: what did you think about me? 20:02 rhcl Nothing nothing. Nothing at all. It was wizzy. 20:02 chris_n rhcl: or a donut 20:02 owen Have a good weekend everyone 20:02 chris_n which are conveniently shaped like an O 20:03 cait hm donuts 20:04 rhcl Bagels 20:04 cait maccaroni? 20:04 gmcharlt cheerios 20:04 gmcharlt the bane of parents everywhere 20:04 cait onion rings 20:05 wizzyrea spaghetti-o's 20:05 rhcl Marconi? 20:06 cait you can cut them in rings 20:06 cait oh marconi ... goes to look that up 20:07 rhcl My connection to the subject was radio and digital communications. 20:07 rhcl Marconi = early development of radio 20:07 cait are marconi o-shaped? 20:08 rhcl and concurrent with the development of Morse code, which is a digital mode, although commonly analog encoded. 20:08 rhcl and digital = "1's" and "0's", although Morse is, of course, a trinary system (long on, short on, off). 20:09 cait oh 20:09 rhcl So that's how my mind made the association of Marconi and "0" 20:10 rhcl I suppose many other people probably don't think like that. 20:10 cait oh not sure 20:12 cait I like the way your mind works :) 20:13 rhcl Hummm 20:18 rhcl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcgzuDdlZUA 20:21 Nate have a great weekend everyone! 20:22 wizzyrea bye Nate 20:22 wizzyrea aw just that too late 20:28 chris_n rhcl: are you a radio geek? 20:32 brendan @roulette 20:32 munin brendan: *click* 20:36 wizzyrea owen: nuke the return all 20:38 cait owen: return all and perhaps renew all too 20:39 cait @roulette 20:39 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 20:39 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 20:39 cait oooh 20:44 chris_n off to the bee hives 20:45 wizzyrea ooh, fun 21:06 schuster by all thanks for the fellowship... 21:06 schuster have a great weekend - we have a 9 year old baseball tournement tomorrow and basketball tonight... Can't wait to come back to work on Monday to rest! 21:13 cait ok, time to sleep - bye #koha and nice weekend to all of you 21:31 librarywebchic I have a Koha question I'm hoping someone here can answer. Does anyone know if the Edition tab code - http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/2007/05/17/more-web-services-frbr-xisbn-thingisbn/ is part of the main Koha code or an add-on 21:32 wizzyrea afaik that is in koha now 21:32 wizzyrea yes, in fact I'm sure it is 21:32 wizzyrea this is from my current as of today 3.2 alpha box: http://screencast.com/t/MDEwYTA3 21:33 wizzyrea FRBR is definitely IN, and not an addon. 21:33 wizzyrea (note: in 2007, when this post was written, LibLime was contributing all code they wrote to the community. It was lovely.) 21:34 librarywebchic thank you. I was trying to find out because it is my understanding that some of the Koha things Liblime didn't contribute but I wasn't sure about this one 21:34 librarywebchic so I appreciate the info. didn't want to point people to something they couldn't get 21:35 wizzyrea nope, it's in. you're definitely right that there are a lot of things they wrote that aren't currently in. Fortunately, in many cases others have picked up those features and, while behind LL's progress, are making it in. 21:35 wizzyrea sure thing :) 21:35 wizzyrea where ya from 21:35 wizzyrea ? 21:35 librarywebchic i work at OCLC. my name is Karen Coombs and I'm the Product Manager for the Developer Network 21:35 wizzyrea Ah! 21:35 wizzyrea hi there :) 21:36 wizzyrea < Liz Rea, Northeast Kansas Library System 21:36 librarywebchic I was intrigued that Koha was using the xISBN service for that tab and wanted to make sure Koha folks knew we'd increased the non-commercial free limit to 1000 queries per day 21:36 wizzyrea omg, no, I didn't know that 21:36 wizzyrea maybe others did 21:36 librarywebchic the change just happened this week 21:36 wizzyrea but I didn't, but THANKS for the info, I'll go put a post on the site about it! 21:36 librarywebchic no thank you 21:37 wizzyrea that's great! 21:37 gmcharlt hi Karen 21:37 gmcharlt thanks for the news 21:37 wizzyrea absolutely :) 21:37 wizzyrea stop by anytime. Friday afternoons are quiet here 21:37 wizzyrea but usually lots of folks around 21:37 librarywebchic also if any Koha users are OCLC cataloging members getting and even higher daily usage is free for them. There is a form to fill out but that is it no $$ 21:37 librarywebchic if you are a cataloging member 21:38 wizzyrea are there any official press materials to announce these changes? 21:38 wizzyrea (would link to them) 21:39 librarywebchic we post changes to these services to the developer network listserv and the Developer Network blog - http://worldcat.org/devnet/blog/2010/04/daily_noncommercial_usage_limi.html 21:40 wizzyrea cool beans, will add that one to my reader so I can stay on top of it. :) 21:41 wizzyrea ok to say that I talked to you? 21:41 wizzyrea or no? 21:41 wizzyrea or just that I saw it on the blog ;) 21:41 librarywebchic either is fine 21:41 wizzyrea okies 21:42 librarywebchic I'm trying to find the official press release too but for some reason I don't think it went out 21:42 wizzyrea erg, I hate it when that happens. And I do crap like that all the time "what, you mean I didn't send it out? *sigh*" 21:42 librarywebchic LOL 21:43 brendan librarywebchic++ 21:43 librarywebchic also, I'd be happy to talk to Koha developers about other web services OCLC has that are free for noncommercial use that might be of interest to Koha folks, particularly from an online catalog perspective 21:44 wizzyrea we have a couple of meetings here next week, I imagine that if you wanted to be on the agenda that would be welcome and encouraged 21:44 * wizzyrea tries to find the agenda... hopes it's been put up 21:45 librarywebchic there are some nice things people are doing with WorldCat Identities. One example is http://search.trln.org/search?Nty=1&N=0&Ntt=mark+twain&Ntk=Author 21:45 librarywebchic what day? I can try to come if my schedule isn't full of meetings? 21:46 wizzyrea May 5, http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2010-05-04%2019:00%20UTC+0 21:46 wizzyrea 19:00UTC+0 21:47 wizzyrea the link should help you convert 21:47 chris librarywebchic: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=43945b67405ba6677e02d2d0614d8b0c0efe9bec 21:47 wizzyrea lord help me, it's either 1 or 2 pm here (CDT) 21:47 wizzyrea chris: NICE! 21:47 wizzyrea you are on top of it 21:48 chris well i just did that right now 21:48 wizzyrea I know! 21:48 librarywebchic drat meeting at that time 21:48 wizzyrea ON 21:48 wizzyrea top 21:48 wizzyrea of 21:48 wizzyrea it 21:48 wizzyrea YOU 21:48 wizzyrea it 21:48 chris so not really :) on to it would have done it before we were told :) 21:48 wizzyrea har de har 21:48 wizzyrea well you do live in the future. 21:48 chris woo weee wooo 21:49 librarywebchic you guys are awesome. This is what I love about open source community software building! 21:49 * brendan would love a nice OCLC connextion client plugin for koha (other something like that) I know a few of our clients would love it 21:49 wizzyrea :D it's what we like too. 21:49 brendan it's on sekjal wish list to program 21:49 wizzyrea brendan: it's a long list 21:50 brendan yeah all of our programming wish lists seems to be big 21:50 librarywebchic will take that as a note. Know some folks at the IDS project - http://idsproject.org who are interested in the same thing and have done some interesting things connecting to Connexion. 21:51 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/oclc-raises-daily-noncommercial-usage-limits-for-xisbn-and-xissn/ 21:52 librarywebchic can you guys send me a note coombsk[at]oclc.org when you have your next developer get together? I'd like to try to make it 21:53 librarywebchic in the meantime, if you want to see some of the neat things you can do with OCLC web services you can check out my demos at http://www.librarywebchic.net/mashups . 21:53 chris cool 21:54 wizzyrea sure, we also list them on our wiki at wiki.koha.org (though the web presence is a bit in flux at the moment... if you can't find them you can stop by here and we can direct you to the right page) 21:54 brendan cool nice resources librarywebchic 21:54 librarywebchic the source code is available at http://www.worldcat.org/devnet/code/devnetDemos/ 21:55 librarywebchic happy to help and I'm happy to do a presentation for the Koha community. just need to find a time that works! 21:55 wizzyrea bookmarked 21:55 wizzyrea :) I'm sure we'll talk again 21:56 chris wizzyrea: is there an rss feed for items marked as events 21:56 chris on k-c.org? 21:56 chris might be handy for librarywebchic 21:56 wizzyrea yea, there's an RSS feed for every category 21:56 wizzyrea sec 21:56 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/category/events/feed/ 21:56 chris as we always post the meetings on there as events before they take place 21:56 wizzyrea we also ^^ what he said 21:56 brendan wizzyrea it's so nice to have a nice responsive webadmin 21:57 brendan wizzyrea++ 21:57 chris hmm 21:57 chris cool, except i thnk the report is tagged as an event, need to fixinate that 21:57 chris i can do that 21:58 librarywebchic thanks all. Have a good weekend. will keep my eyes on the event feed. 21:59 chris except i cant heh 22:00 chris foiled by a checkbox i cant uncheck 22:00 chris well that was the best use of the cgi irc script in years 22:00 chris_n back 22:01 chris_n OCLC visit... cool 22:01 wizzyrea you would need to remove the attached event, chris 22:02 * chris_n is happy since the bees were today :) 22:03 chris ahhhhh 22:03 chris_n nice email from vicki 22:04 chris in that case, i'll leave it 22:10 brendan chris how was football 22:11 chris a bit cold, but fun 22:11 chris im glad its only a 20 min game 22:11 brendan @wunder 93117 22:11 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0�C (2:50 PM PDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 6 am PDT Saturday... 22:11 brendan I see a walk on the beach in my future 22:11 brendan now only it munin could check the tide 22:11 chris @wunder wellington nz 22:11 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on May 01, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 22:11 * gmcharlt sees dinner in his future and seeks to grab it 22:11 chris :) 22:13 chris_n @wunder 28334 22:13 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 30.0�C (5:43 PM EDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 22:13 brendan wow 30 that's hot 22:14 chris_n well, I have a recital to attend with two children playing piano, flute, and violin 22:14 brendan looks like three instruments ? 22:18 chris_n my younger son plays violin and my oldest daughter plays piano and flute 22:18 chris_n actually the son play piano too, just not tonight 22:19 * chris_n wonders where pianohacker has been, speaking of pianos 22:19 chris_n @seen pianohacker 22:19 munin chris_n: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 6 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <pianohacker> that's all :) 22:20 chris_n so is there any problem with Google's TOS when using google book covers with Koha? 22:21 hdl_laptop none that I am aware of 22:23 brendan ah pianohacker I miss him 22:23 brendan heya hdl_laptop 22:23 hdl_laptop hi brendan 22:23 chris_n heya hdl_laptop 22:24 hdl_laptop how are you? 22:24 chris_n great :) 22:24 chris_n kinda late for you isn't it? 22:31 hdl_laptop chris_n: yes. 22:31 collum @wunder 41017 22:31 munin collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 27.2�C (6:30 PM EDT on April 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect from Saturday evening through Monday morning... 22:32 collum Hope the rain comes after the kid's first baseball game of the season. 22:32 chris_n sounds like a busy weekend for kids around the globe 22:33 chris_n time to go, bbl 22:33 collum sumer is icumen in