Time Nick Message 23:38 nengard or as you all read/heard :) 23:38 nengard but as you all saw - when I crash - I really really crash 23:37 nengard Joann - me either :) 23:37 Joann chris: thanks 23:36 Joann you are amazing Nicole... I don't know how you manage to fit so much into your life 23:35 chris yep 23:34 Joann that would be great if you can. its coz its public money and auditors get worried about potential liability etc 23:30 chris yep 23:29 russ Joann: i was away yesterday, got your email and Chris and I are sorting a commitment today 23:25 nengard thanks 23:25 chilts good luck nengard 23:25 chilts yeah, that's what I saw :) 23:25 nengard one presentation done -- one to go :) 23:24 nengard Joann - http://opensource.web2learning.net has info on it - that's what they saw - well not chris - he saw the book cause he wrote the foreword so he has to read the book :) 23:16 Joann I still havn't manged to buy a copy of the first one yet .. 23:16 chilts I haven't seen it, just a webpage :) 23:16 Joann how come they've seen the book? 23:15 nengard july 2010 is right around the corner :) that's when it comes out 23:15 nengard thanks chilts 23:15 chilts nengard++ your book looks great :) 23:12 moodaepo PTFS-- 23:12 moodaepo nengard++ 23:11 chris hi mason 23:11 * mason waves from kapiti.... 23:11 larsw free and open source software is all about people. people form communities spontaneously. it's not surprising it's a common word in these contexts. (but I really hate it when someone say "I am going to create a community. I just registered a domain name...") 23:11 chris hehe 23:10 nengard it has a pretty good foreword if i do say so myself 23:10 nengard Thanks chris!!! 23:10 chris :) 23:10 chris every library should buy 2 copies 23:09 nengard and it gets drilled into their heads what it's all about 23:09 chris its a good book 23:09 nengard hopefully people learn from what i wrote 23:09 nengard I'm editing my book on open source for libraries and it's shocking how many times I say the word 'community' 23:08 Joann and what the community is prepared to defend in ternms of core values and principles 23:08 Joann the LL - PTFS experience reveals a lot about the true source of open source - 23:07 chris nice reply from lori 23:07 Joann hehe 23:04 nengard i thought i had the day off!!! -- and by off I mean time to work on my real job 23:04 nengard am trying to write 2 presentations for tomorrow 23:04 nengard no prob at all 23:02 Joann hi nicole - sorry having trouble with my PC - i keep locking up 22:53 gmcharlt chris: please thank larsw for demoing open source for you ;) 22:53 nengard LOL - no one thinks that - no one who knows a thing about Koha, you, and open source that is 22:52 chris bbiab 22:52 chris right going to see a demo at larsw desk 22:52 chris im too stupid apparently 22:48 nengard just came on to see if anyone else was talking about the real nature of open source 22:48 nengard hi jo 22:44 jo hi Nicole 22:32 reed (little gang of us here at cat. chatting it up agreeingly) 22:30 chris_n jo++ # and more so 22:30 jo WE just keep doing what we are doing. 22:29 jo open source or not 22:29 jo clear choices to be made 22:29 jo I'm relieved to be honest. 22:26 jo and the fork is official 22:25 gmcharlt in particular, I imagine that there will need to be a debate on the best way to slice and dice the packages to help those who run Koha on split-server configurations 22:24 gmcharlt larsw: go for it 22:20 reed makes the path forward simple enough 22:20 chris yep 22:20 reed oh, wow, so it's official then - ptfs is stepping away 22:20 chris i wonder if someone should say, the bullying attitude as invinced in this email is a major reason the conference call was declined 22:19 larsw I've been working on my Debian package for Koha mostly alone, sometimes talking things with chris; would it be welcome if I explain my plans and goals on koha-devel so others could suggest things? 22:16 chilts otherwise, looks awesome :) 22:16 chilts wizzyrea: I just looked at that page, there's a slight link fix to be made : the 'kohadocs.git' link underneat 'Project' in the table needs a 'git.' at the start 22:15 chris i hope libraries chose wisely 22:15 chris or stay with koha 22:15 chris fork implies open source 22:15 chris s/fork/split 22:15 chris join the ptfs fork 22:15 chris so the choice is clear 22:14 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-April/023637.html 21:44 Nate gnight #koha! 21:31 wizzyrea yep, wil ldo that too 21:31 gmcharlt and a direct link to http://git.koha-community.org/ somewhere there would be nice 21:31 wizzyrea done 21:31 gmcharlt i.e., I suggest getting rid of it 21:31 wizzyrea will even 21:30 wizzyrea ah okies ty wil fix 21:30 gmcharlt wizzyrea: the searchbox you put in isn't a search of the repos' contents, but of the repos names 21:30 wizzyrea thoughts on this? http://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-developers/ 21:25 jo and ditto 21:24 jo you have to be gentle with me today Chris :) 21:24 chris ditto 21:24 jo Lordy I am so tired my eyeballs feel like sandpaper 21:24 wizzyrea hello jo :) 21:23 jo Hi Liz 21:23 reed it's an important document 21:23 jo we went for comprehensive and complete rather than short and sweet 21:22 jo thanks Reed 21:22 jo yeah I forgot that time difference 21:22 wizzyrea ^^ what he said 21:22 reed you cover things pretty nicely in the posting too - so less to clarify by comments 21:22 jo esp in USA 21:22 wizzyrea oh we care 21:22 chris not sure most people have seen it yet 21:21 jo don't believe thatthe community doesn't care ... so shocked I guess but good or bad ? 21:20 jo I am amzed at the low level response 21:20 jo yes I saw that. 21:13 chris our waldo friend has chipped in with a comment already 21:12 richard very interesting article - http://koha-community.org/hlt-koha-committee-report-on-discussions-with-ptfs/ 21:11 chris hi jo 20:58 sekjal :) 20:57 richard sekjal even :) 20:57 brendan wb chris 20:57 richard hi chris and sekja 20:56 chris back 20:50 munin sekjal: "LDAP" could be a wicked pain to get working 20:50 sekjal @whatis LDAP 20:33 richard hi 19:48 * owen find the situation not quite grim enough to play Russian roulette 19:48 cait ok, time to stop playing and go to bed - good night all :) 19:44 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 19:44 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 19:44 collum @roulette 19:44 munin cait: *click* 19:44 cait @roulette 19:44 munin brendan: *click* 19:44 brendan @roulette 19:43 brendan morning chris 19:43 cait morning chris 19:39 chris_n hi chris 19:37 chris morning 19:00 slef 30 minutes until ukgov leaders election debate 18:57 slef bots and ops is often risky 18:56 owen If munin had ops at least *someone* could update our topic. 18:56 jdavidb heh. That'd be amusing. 18:56 slef I think the "blank" comment is because munin would kick if it had ops 18:55 munin slef: *click* 18:55 slef @roulette 18:55 jdavidb hmpf. Thought so. 18:54 munin jdavidb: tails 18:54 jdavidb @coin 18:54 cait @games 18:49 cait :) 18:49 magnus gaaaaahhh... 18:49 * wizzyrea high fives cait 18:49 munin cait: *click* 18:49 cait @roulette 18:49 munin wizzyrea: *click* 18:49 wizzyrea @roulette 18:49 wizzyrea nooo! not magnus! 18:49 magnus ouch 18:49 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 18:49 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 18:49 magnus @roulette 18:48 munin cait: *click* 18:48 cait @roulette 18:48 * jdavidb snaps his fingers. 18:48 munin jdavidb: *click* 18:48 jdavidb @roulette 18:23 * cait surprised 18:23 munin cait: *click* 18:23 cait @roulette 18:20 munin jdavidb: *click* 18:20 jdavidb @roulette 18:13 slef brendan: remind me not to swap lucky charms with you. 18:12 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 18:12 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 18:12 brendan @roulette 18:12 brendan slef stays safe again 18:11 munin slef: *click* 18:11 slef @roulette 18:07 gmcharlt nengard: it's from a supybot plugin that somebody on #code4lib had put together 18:06 slef useful to know, indeed 18:06 nengard that's kind of cool 18:06 jdavidb kinda-sorta, nengard. It doesn't seem to know it very well. 18:06 chris_n PTFS++ # for at least having the wisdom to hire jdavidb && jwagner 18:05 slef jwagner: munin is not a person. 18:05 * jwagner thought there was a gentleperson's agreement about not attacking us personally? 18:05 nengard okay - did I read the backlog right? munin knows marc?? 18:05 slef I think non-autonomous workers should be illegal, but I'm just an aging leftie. 18:05 brendan ouch 18:05 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 18:05 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 18:05 brendan @Games roulette 18:04 slef jdavidb: looks like your turn... 18:04 * jdavidb , being non-autonomous, remains mute. 18:04 slef let's correct that 18:04 slef PTFS-- 18:04 munin jdavidb: Karma for "PTFS" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 18:04 jdavidb @karma PTFS 18:03 slef jdavidb: if it goes bang on the first PTFSer, can we blame karma? 18:03 chris_n hehe 18:03 * jdavidb has a list of people to suggest handing the pistol to... 18:03 gmcharlt slef: guess the relevant graphics libs weren't reinstalled when the LL-hosted things were moved a week or so ago 18:02 munin collum: *click* 18:02 collum @Games roulette 18:02 slef collum: your turn 18:02 slef played even 18:02 * collum is waiting for a loud boom 18:02 jdavidb oh! Russian roulette. 18:02 slef jdavidb: never plaid russian roulette? 18:02 * jdavidb raises an eyebrow 18:02 munin slef: *click* 18:02 slef @roulette 18:02 munin jdavidb: *click* 18:02 jdavidb @Games roulette 18:01 munin gmcharlt: Qualifying information 18:01 gmcharlt @marc 785 c 18:01 munin slef: unknown tag 785$c 18:01 slef @marc 785$c 18:01 munin jwagner: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long. 18:01 jwagner @monologue 18:01 slef someone teach munin Koha ;-) 18:01 munin slef: unknown tag 952 18:01 slef @marc 952 18:01 munin gmcharlt: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette 18:01 gmcharlt @list Games 18:01 munin jdavidb: Information concerning the immediate successor to the target item (chronological relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase may be generated based on the value in the second indicator position for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8] 18:01 jdavidb @marc 785 18:01 munin brendan: unknown tag 691 18:01 brendan @marc 691 18:01 * collum is curious as to what other Games there are. 18:01 jwagner gmcharlt, and MARC _isn't_ boring??? 18:00 slef gmcharlt: big red error on http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/reports.cgi 18:00 gmcharlt ;) 18:00 munin gmcharlt: The titles of separate works or parts of an item or the table of contents. The field may also contain statements of responsibility and volume numbers or other sequential designations. (Repeatable) [a,g,r,t,u,6,8] 18:00 gmcharlt @marc 505 18:00 gmcharlt boring game, try this: 17:59 munin chris_n: tails 17:59 chris_n @Games coin 17:58 munin brendan: heads 17:58 brendan @Games coin 17:57 * chris_n wonders what that was all about 17:55 DRUlm See ya 17:55 DRUlm Cool. Good things may happen. 17:52 gmcharlt DRUlm: yep, I was addressing the statement 17:50 DRUlm I am in agreement w/ you. 17:49 DRUlm cmgharlt: I am not assuming that, I am playing the devils advocate. 17:49 * chris_n wonders who the antecedent to 'many' is? 17:48 slef Ours has always been open (FOSS) to our clients, but maintaining a clean-for-publication branch lagged and still isn't complete. We'll probably just junk part of it eventually. 17:47 gmcharlt DRUlm: that's assumes that that only advance of open source software is the flexibility - but there are plenty of cases where F/OSS software is better than its proprietary equivalents in terms of its external functionality, and vice versa 17:46 DRUlm Many feel the same way. 17:46 slef Now that's just confusing. What do you mean by "really open"? 17:45 DRUlm Historically, that is costly, and if the branch is not *really* open source, then why not just run something proprietary since there are many choices. If I am not able to change the code anyway, I would just go with a proprietary and get all the bells and whistles - whoever has the most. But the open source advantage is total *local* flexibility, but if it isn't really *open* then I would go with a proprietary. 17:45 slef hi cait 17:45 cait hi koha 17:44 slef No-one. LL pretty much forced us to and we're still recovering. 17:43 DRUlm Be nice to see the code come together, and likely would be good for both parties - I mean, who wants to invest resources to support 2 code bases? 17:42 DRUlm Great, then everyone will be free to be you and me 17:42 nengard the community was around before us support companies and communities are the pillar of open source 17:42 nengard I see it as the community governing itself 17:41 DRUlm Good! 17:41 nengard I don't see it as fighting 17:41 DRUlm Probably in the interest of both parties to come together. But the future will show the evidence of what will happen - could go either way. 17:40 DRUlm This is how open source works. Too much infighting and everyone just goes to the competitor. 17:40 DRUlm If not, everyone may start jumping over to Evergreen ;) 17:40 DRUlm It looks like it is all a matter of how it will happen. 17:40 DRUlm I think there could be some positive moves happening, on both sides. 17:39 DRUlm Yes, I did read that. 17:35 DRUlm Oh yeah, just read it. I think. 17:35 slef DRUlm: http://koha-community.org/hlt-koha-committee-report-on-discussions-with-ptfs/ 17:32 jwagner So now we know how to distract munin -- just wave shiny things around :-) 17:32 DRUlm What is happening in Koha world? 17:26 munin brendan: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing! 17:26 brendan @Games eightball does munin have a clue? 17:24 munin brendan: Error: "for" is not a valid command. 17:24 brendan munin for president! 17:23 gmcharlt just as well 17:23 munin gmcharlt: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing! 17:23 gmcharlt @eightball will munin be the 3.6 release manager? 17:23 brendan patch away according to munin 17:23 brendan there you go gmcharlt 17:23 munin brendan: Obviously. 17:23 brendan @Games eightball will partial payments make it into 3.2? 17:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Allow partial fine payments 17:10 jwagner FYI, Colin's partial payment is our Bug 3498 17:09 brendan thanks will look 17:08 gmcharlt Colin, IIRC 17:07 brendan thanks - do you know who sent the counter patch ? 17:07 gmcharlt no, that's rather a bit extensive for 3.2, plus there's a counterpatch for partial payments floating out there as well 17:05 brendan is Kyle Hall's patch, Fines System Updates - Code Cleanup & Additional Features slated to make into 3.2 ? 17:04 wizzyrea heh 17:04 jwagner wizzyrea, then you're doing better than I am :-) 16:58 wizzyrea jwagner thanks for the xslt tip... It's kind of, sort of, maybe sinking in a little. 16:42 wizzyrea yep, basehor is using 3m RFID 16:33 nengard thanks slef 16:33 slef nengard: 3M-compatible self-issue machine still causes us problems. 16:32 slef nengard: most open is CAMLIS who ran the open day. 16:32 slef nengard: I know some of ours are. 16:27 chris_n schuster++ #for stirring up patches :) 16:23 schuster I just know there are a lot of things hinging on 3.2 right now. 16:23 schuster my work here is now done for today... I hope it spurred some development... I have a few things I'm working on but they will probably be 3.4... 16:23 nengard thanks guys 16:21 schuster I know South Central is going to when they go live. 16:21 jwagner I believe one of ours is -- Middletown Township Public Library. Not sure of specifics. 16:21 nengard got a question -- does anyone know what libraries are using RFID & Koha - wizzyrea was it your libraries? I know there are some out there - I just can't think of the names 16:18 brendan would be nice to have bugs.koha-communtity.org kicking 16:16 owen What can we do? schuster is cracking the whip! 16:13 chris_n patches flow like water today :) 16:13 schuster No it says AVAILABLE still on the item list. 16:13 schuster Yep wizzyrea - not fixed. 16:11 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/NjJkN2YzMT 16:11 wizzyrea if that's what you're talking about then it looks like it's right to me? 16:09 schuster phewy... have you noticed I'm using different words each time I hit a roadblock? 16:09 wizzyrea I forget to wait until it says "ok, done, paste it fool" 16:08 wizzyrea 2nd, sorry 16:08 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/NjJkN2YzMT 16:08 wizzyrea er 16:08 wizzyrea not sure, is this what you're talking about? http://screencast.com/t/NjZiYTFmZG 16:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2655 blocker, P2, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC 16:07 owen Bug 2655 has not been resolved to my knowledge 16:06 schuster speaking of holds when wizzyrea has a minute would you look at but 2655 and indicate if it is resolved? 16:06 wizzyrea (the pickup branch mucks it up theory) 16:05 wizzyrea so I favor that theory 16:05 wizzyrea but I do know that frances has a different pick up branch than the branch I was placing the hold at 16:05 wizzyrea 6 and this one might have been placed at nearly the same time 16:04 wizzyrea is we were placing holds fast/furious at the same time on this bib 16:04 sekjal hmmm... 16:04 wizzyrea the other thing 16:04 wizzyrea when the pickup branch is different from the patron's home, it seems to do this 16:03 wizzyrea BUT. you might take a look near the code that has to do with the pick up branch 16:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4201 blocker, P5, ---, ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com, ASSIGNED, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers 16:03 sekjal that sounds like bug 4201 16:02 sekjal ewww, that's bad 16:02 wizzyrea sekjal: priority 15 on a bib with 7 holds 16:00 owen That's what us librarians do all day long anyway isn't it schuster? 16:00 schuster oh sorry... I'm done for today so will go sit in the corner and read a book... :0 15:59 wizzyrea no, darlings, this is latest 3.2 head ;) 15:59 schuster it's that custom code nekls has... ;) 15:59 wizzyrea lemme look 15:59 sekjal do you know what the priority number is for that last patron? I mean, as it reads in the database? 15:57 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/NjZiYTFmZG 15:56 wizzyrea though look at this: 15:55 wizzyrea sekjal: it's looking good from here 15:54 schuster If I only understood what that bug is talking about HA HA HA.... 15:53 wizzyrea aw 15:53 * owen couldn't possibly, not while #koha has her back 15:52 jdavidb Don't be mean to wizzyrea, owen! 15:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4201 blocker, P5, ---, ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com, ASSIGNED, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers 15:51 sekjal I believe that my patch and cleanup script solve bug 4201, but having more folks test that to confirm would probably be a good idea 15:51 * wizzyrea sobs 15:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, REOPENED, capitalizing strings 15:50 owen wizzyrea if you're not careful I'm going to assign Bug 2780 to you :P 15:50 wizzyrea I defer to sekjal 15:50 schuster so 4201 could be closed - sekjal and wizzyrea? 15:50 wizzyrea plus $$ 15:50 wizzyrea I"m not sure that this one shouldn't be more critical, but I think it will take more time than we have for 3.2 15:49 schuster Ah ok - haven't gone through the "major" ones yet! 15:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4373 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Placing and Processing Items Simultaneously causes multiple issues 15:49 wizzyrea bug 4373 15:49 wizzyrea that's done schuster 15:48 sekjal or, at least that's what I've seen 15:47 sekjal the huge holds priority numbers has been solved by fixing some bad SQL 15:47 sekjal schuster: in my opinion, yes. 15:46 schuster So do we need to create another bug for that? - simultaneous holds? 15:45 wizzyrea they all process holds at the same time, every day 15:45 wizzyrea yea, that's a huge deal in a 31, soon to be 33 library shared collection consortium 15:44 sekjal I still want to figure out how to handle simulatenous holds 15:44 sekjal wizzyrea: no worries :) 15:44 wizzyrea so sorry 15:44 wizzyrea oh I missed the patch, sorry 15:44 sekjal I've published both a patch to the bug, and a cleanup script 15:43 * wizzyrea goes to read, haven't looked lately 15:43 wizzyrea that's the corrective script, right? 15:43 sekjal doesn't address simulatenous holds, though 15:43 sekjal well, my patch to bug 4201 solves part of it 15:43 wizzyrea it's different behavior, that's true 15:43 kf bye #koha 15:43 kf import problems solved in first library, tidy up second tomorrow *tired* 15:42 schuster ah I remember an IRC discussion one day about this with you and Sharon doing simultaneous holds 15:42 wizzyrea I'm not really convinced that they aren't caused by the same thing though. 15:42 sekjal bug 4201 and what you're experiencing, wizzyrea, are a little different, I think 15:42 wizzyrea as the root cause of that 15:42 * wizzyrea suspects simultaneous processing of holds 15:41 wizzyrea whatever it is. 15:41 wizzyrea but the root is still there 15:41 wizzyrea sekjal wrote a script to correct the problem 15:41 schuster drat... 15:41 wizzyrea no, this isn't fixed 15:41 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4201 blocker, P5, ---, ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com, ASSIGNED, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers 15:41 schuster Since we are on a roll - wizzyrea can you check this one bug 4201 15:39 kf I hope not 15:39 slef furlongs per fortnight? 15:39 munin owen: "zebra" could be the bane of our existence 15:39 owen @whatis zebra 15:39 munin wizzyrea: "munin": purveyor of all wisdom; "cormorant": The common cormorant or shag Lays eggs inside a paper bag; "light-speed": 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight 15:39 wizzyrea @Factoids random 15:38 munin wizzyrea: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis 15:38 wizzyrea @list Factoids 15:38 munin wizzyrea: Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "zebra" in it. Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin. 15:38 wizzyrea @factoids zebra 15:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4424 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, MARC Framework deletion incorrectly reports usage count 15:38 owen Bug 4424 15:36 slef even if munin miscapitalises the placename 15:36 slef that sums it up here 15:35 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 12.9�C (4:30 PM BST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady). 15:35 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare Somerset 15:33 gmcharlt sunny day in florida 15:33 slef today not brill here - how about there? 15:32 wizzyrea hi slef 15:32 slef yengh 15:31 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded. 15:31 sekjal @learn LDAP as a wicked pain to get working 15:29 nengard thanks 15:29 owen nengard: I'll do it since I'm looking at it atm 15:29 wizzyrea it's really only something that comes up when you're first setting up a system 15:29 nengard owen do you want to report it or should I? 15:29 wizzyrea but a while ago 15:28 wizzyrea I've seen it too 15:28 wizzyrea I think TD found an issue there, was in email 15:28 owen nengard: I observe the same problem. I suspect thd is right about the cause 15:28 nengard i've been out of town and now i'm just trying to catch up 15:28 nengard owen - no because i haven't re-tested to see if i can make it happen again 15:27 wizzyrea all of them look consistent to me 15:27 owen nengard: did you ever file a bug for the frameworks deletion problem from the other day? 15:27 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ZmRlNGJkNj 15:26 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/NzYwMzIx 15:25 wizzyrea 1s lemme check 15:24 schuster what happens if you truncate the search do you get the same thing? 15:23 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/NDY5NTZjM2Et 15:23 wizzyrea Search link above 15:23 owen wizzyrea: that second link isn't the right thing 15:23 schuster Ah. 15:23 CGI558 made the marc bibliografic framework test and i got these error: biblio y biblionumber The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield, 15:23 wizzyrea bear 15:23 schuster what did you search? 15:23 wizzyrea let me try one more place 15:22 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/OTgzMzk1NTA regular search 15:22 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ODZjZmNjYjU cataloging search 15:21 wizzyrea good morning 15:21 CGI558 i have a question about my marc framework 15:21 wizzyrea mine are the same 15:21 CGI558 greetings everyone 15:21 wizzyrea k 15:20 owen standard staff client search vs. search from cataloging page I think 15:20 schuster Looks like Advanced search in cataloging from what I read. 15:20 wizzyrea just want to make sure i'm testing the right thing. 15:20 wizzyrea so this is opac vs. cataloging search, right? 15:19 wizzyrea yep one mome nt 15:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4116 critical, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, ASSIGNED, results from cataloging search is different from advanced search results 15:19 schuster Can someone with 3.2 alpha test this and comment? bug 4116 15:17 wizzyrea dk if gmcharlt has done more on it or not 15:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3344 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting 15:17 wizzyrea re bug 3344, when last I looked at that, it was a very good improvement 15:16 schuster Thanks! that's 1 blocker down the tube and 1 critical! 15:14 nengard closing 4320 15:14 nengard no 15:14 nengard oh - this is assigned to me - i don't know about this - or how to do this - so yes closing 4151 15:13 nengard will read and combine 15:13 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading 15:13 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4320 blocker, P5, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Module Text::CSV::Encoded not present in INSTALL instructions 15:13 schuster nengard - bug 4320 looks to be included in bug 4151 can we close? 15:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3344 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting 15:08 schuster bug requesting feedback - bug 3344 15:06 joetho sigh. back to work. 15:06 joetho oh I know ALL about making invalid arguments. Ask my daughters. 15:06 joetho well durn it 15:05 munin joetho: Invalid arguments for learn. 15:05 joetho @learn munin Another busy day at the office! 15:05 munin joetho: Invalid arguments for learn. 15:05 joetho @learn MUNIN: Another busy day at the office! 15:04 munin joetho: Invalid arguments for learn. 15:04 joetho @learn MUNIN: "Another busy day at the office!" 15:04 schuster Unfortunately I can't handle the assignments! Guess that's when you start looking for money to pay someone to fix it for you so you can close it and get some glory... 15:03 gmcharlt schuster: that's just how bugzilla hands out your next assignment :) 15:02 schuster done thanks - always freaks me out after you commit in bugszilla that it jumps to the next bug and I think I messed something up! 14:58 gmcharlt schuster: yep 14:58 schuster gmcharlt - ok with me doing this? 14:57 wizzyrea close it, we can reopen if needed 14:56 * owen hasn't heard any reports of this 14:55 wizzyrea I just asked sharon, we don't see this bug 14:55 schuster wizzyrea - since I know you all use holds quite a bit could you check with a couple of your busy libraries? Then maybe we could close this bug? It is almost 2 years old... 14:51 wizzyrea I don't believe we've seen that, no 14:50 owen Are there any contenders for alternatives to xslt? 14:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2281 critical, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, holds queue report including unavailable items 14:50 schuster wizzyrea - have you seen this on any of your reports? - bug 2281 14:46 wizzyrea it's a lot to wrap your mind around. 14:46 schuster Yes I LOVE that link.. that's how I got to the 2 pm central! Thank you owen! That needs to be on each of the agenda pages! 14:46 wizzyrea collum: I think I'm beginning to see why you say it's too much for the result. 14:40 owen schuster: Did that wolframalpha link work for you? That's what I always use 14:39 wizzyrea xml namespace but I don't get it. Gah. I feel dumb. 14:39 schuster ok to verify 2 pm central 3 pm Eastern - I've missed meetings because I can't convert time well! 14:39 wizzyrea what does this mean: xmlns:items="http://www.koha.org/items" 14:36 gmcharlt both 19:00 UTC+0 14:36 gmcharlt general on wednesday, community on teusday 14:36 jwagner gmcharlt, which is when? 14:36 chris_n lol collum :) 14:35 gmcharlt schuster: yep, two meetings 14:35 jwagner rhcl, one way to gmcharlt's heart is through his cats' stomachs :-) 14:35 schuster So we have 2 meetings possibly next week? 14:34 schuster The last meeting run by gmcharlt minutes states - 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May 14:34 rhcl or maybe it does after large quantities of liquor and chocolate 14:34 * collum loves wolframalpha.com - http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+a+hospital 14:34 rhcl rhcl asks: "Does gourmet cat food taste good?" 14:33 rhcl jwagner said: "Or send large quantities of liquor, chocolate, and gourmet cat food via fedex" 14:33 owen http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4+May+2010+at+19%3A00+UTC%2B0 14:32 wizzyrea we are CDT 14:32 * jwagner can't remember -- are we on Eastern Standard or Eastern Daylight time now? 14:31 * owen wishes Google Calendar would interpret "19:00 UTC+0" for me 14:29 schuster I saw on jransoms post - Committee would like to call a community handover meeting on 4 May 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0... but that is a community handover not a development meeting. 14:28 miguel hi all 14:24 jwagner I did look at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:start but I don't see one for next week. 14:22 * owen thinks I can haz topic plz? 14:22 * jwagner can loan owen an ironing board 14:22 jwagner What is the time of that meeting? 14:22 * owen needs to iron out some conflicts on a patch to send... 14:21 gmcharlt at any rate, expect good news by the time of the community meeting next wednesday 14:21 jwagner Or send large quantities of liquor, chocolate, and gourmet cat food via fedex? 14:21 gmcharlt and combat other nuisacnes 14:20 owen schuster: You could try dispatching someone to gmcharlt's office to apply shoulder and neck massages? 14:20 jwagner Yes, as long as it's named HOLD_PRINT 14:20 schuster Desperately trying to figure out a way to help move 3.2 along. 14:20 nengard under tools 14:19 nengard using the notices interface 14:19 nengard it was a pretty recent patch which is why it hasn't gone in there yet, but it will solve the problem - it will also solve the problem if you add an empty template yourself :) 14:19 jwagner He knows it's there -- I asked him to check the structure when I sent it in. Probably hasn't had a chance to get to it yet. 14:19 schuster Just wondering if it looks like it would resolve the issue and we should remind gmcharlt it was there? 14:18 nengard k 14:18 schuster I see jwagner sent a patch but it wasn't "accepted yet"... 14:18 nengard yes? 14:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4377 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, cannot confirm hold due to missing letter 14:17 schuster jwagner and nengard - I was looking at bug 4377 14:17 collum xslt just seems like too much code for the result. IMO. 14:17 collum Here's another. http://www.learn-xslt-tutorial.com/ 14:16 jwagner Always. 14:15 wizzyrea (other things to do_) 14:15 wizzyrea I tried that, but failed (miserably) and then I gave up for a while. 14:15 jwagner Mostly I've learned by looking at how other sections work, then copying & trying to adapt. 14:14 wizzyrea jwagner: i will take a look at that, it looks familiar but I may have been seeking answers instead of learning the last time I looked at it. 14:14 owen sekjal: Going through my old email, I see an email from Ryan Higgins that says there is a "statistics table fix script" which might include a routine to backfill empty branch in stats 14:13 jwagner wizzyrea, I haven't either. We have someone in house who speaks it (not in the Koha group) and I've picked his brain a few times. Also have used http://www.w3schools.com/Xsl/default.asp 14:12 wizzyrea I've been looking off and on for two years and still haven't found one that resonates enough for me to understand 14:11 wizzyrea can someone point me to a *good* guide to how xslt ^*#@&(% works? 14:11 wizzyrea you can always fall back to the defaults if they are better than your custom changes 14:11 wizzyrea but easier to deal with than if they are THE templates you use 14:10 wizzyrea jwagner: that's the problem with any customizations like that I think 14:08 owen count of NULL branch renewals in 2009 stats: 0. Count in 2010 stats: 8113. 14:08 * owen too except when it blames him 14:07 * sekjal loves git-blame 14:07 sekjal the line of code in opac-renewal.pl was added before the changes to the AddRenewal function in C4/Circulation that dealt with branch 14:05 owen I wonder if my check for NULL branch is not working as I thought it was 14:05 jwagner The main concern I can think of is version updates to the main XSLT files wouldn't get reflected over. 14:04 owen sekjal: Indeed, I just renewed an item from the OPAC and the line in statistics has a NULL branch. 14:03 jwagner Hmmmm. I might do some poking at the XSLT thing then, unless someone knows of a techie reason why it wouldn't work. 14:02 wizzyrea and good morning 14:02 wizzyrea afk one minute :P] 14:02 wizzyrea jwagner that's a great idea 14:02 * owen should have checked when he was renewing books this morning 14:01 sekjal owen: looking at opac-renew.pl further, I'm seeing the call to AddRenewal is missing the $branch parameter 14:01 * chris_n thinks animated gifs 14:00 jwagner owen, haven't had that one yet (thank goodness) but have had some equally wierd ones.... 14:00 owen The other 40% is "Can you make the book covers dance to the 'Peanut Butter Jelly' song" 14:00 jwagner I didn't know if there was anything funky about XSLT as opposed to .css files that would need it on the same server. 13:59 jwagner Probably 60% of the customization requests I get are "why can't I display _this_ field in my OPAC?" 13:59 sekjal jwagner: that'd be a good idea. Or allow folks to upload .css, .js and .xsl files to a local directory, then have dropdowns to select from those available 13:58 owen jwagner: I don't know, but I like the idea! 13:58 jwagner That way, sites could customize what fields they want to display without mucking up their system with local code customizations. 13:58 * owen boggles that his statistics actually added up this time! 13:58 jwagner Would it be possible to put alternate copies of the XSLT stylesheets on a separate server & have them called via syspref the same way? 13:57 jwagner Actually, I could use some input on an idea I had if there are any XSLT experts around. We've talked about, and there is some provision for, having .css stylesheets live on a separate server & be called via syspref. 13:56 * jwagner is not really that fearsome. Just grumpy today. 13:56 * jdavidb fears jwagner's whip. 13:55 schuster jwagner cracking the whip feels sorry for jdavidb... but would love to see 3.2 in beta release! So I'm with her! 13:53 sekjal owen: not seeing anything in the code of opac-renew.pl about branchcode specifically 13:53 * jwagner thinks there's too much fun going on. Back to work! 13:52 brendan :) 13:52 munin gmcharlt: Naturally. 13:52 gmcharlt @eightball will people play with munin all day today? 13:52 munin owen: _I_ don't know. 13:52 owen @Games eightball Will my stats all add up this time? 13:51 owen What, do I have powdered sugar on my face or something? 13:50 munin owen: You're kidding, right? 13:50 owen @Games eightball Did I have breakfast yet? 13:50 munin brendan: NO. 13:50 brendan @Games eightball should I have breakfast yet? 13:49 owen I'm just curious about what the fix did 13:48 owen My statistics aren't showing those branchless stats anymore, so I'm assuming it was fixed. 13:48 owen sekjal: At one time some renewals were recorded in the statistics table with no branch. I think it was renewals from the OPAC 13:48 sekjal owen: not just yet, but I could get familiar 13:44 owen Is anyone familiar with a (fairly) recent change in Koha to allow renewals to be recorded with a branch code in the statistics table? 13:27 munin chris_n: Error: No factoid matches that key. 13:27 chris_n @whatis fortnight 13:27 munin chris_n: (whatis [<channel>] <key> [<number>]) -- Looks up the value of <key> in the factoid database. If given a number, will return only that exact factoid. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 13:27 chris_n @whatis 13:26 munin sekjal: "cormorant": The common cormorant or shag Lays eggs inside a paper bag; "munin": purveyor of all wisdom; "nengard": Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions/Koha Doc Manager 13:26 sekjal @factoids random 13:26 munin sekjal: Error: "factoids" is not a valid command. 13:26 sekjal @factoids 13:26 * chris_n gives up 13:25 munin chris_n: Error: "Factoids" is not a valid command. 13:25 chris_n @Factoids 13:25 munin chris_n: Error: "Factoid" is not a valid command. 13:25 chris_n @Factoid 13:25 munin chris_n: Error: "Factoid" is not a valid command. 13:25 chris_n @Factoid random 13:25 munin chris_n: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command. 13:25 chris_n @factoid random 13:24 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded. 13:24 sekjal @learn munin as your chatbot pal who's fun to be with 13:24 chris_n lol 13:24 munin nengard: The operation succeeded. 13:24 nengard @learn nengard as Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions/Koha Doc Manager 13:24 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded. 13:24 sekjal @forget munin 1 13:23 munin chris: "munin" could be (#1) your chatbot play who's fun to be with, or (#2) purveyor of all wisdom 13:23 chris @whatis munin 13:23 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 13:23 chris @forget munin 1 13:23 gmcharlt hmm 13:23 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 13:23 gmcharlt @help Factoids forget 13:23 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 13:23 gmcharlt @help info 13:23 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 13:23 gmcharlt @help forget 13:23 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 13:23 gmcharlt @Help forget 13:23 sekjal I really need to drink more coffee before attempting to type 13:23 munin gmcharlt: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis 13:23 gmcharlt @list Factoids 13:22 munin gmcharlt: "munin" could be (#1) supybot http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html, or (#2) your chatbot play who's fun to be with, or (#3) purveyor of all wisdom 13:22 gmcharlt @whatis munin 13:22 munin sekjal: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 13:22 sekjal @help forget 13:22 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 13:22 gmcharlt @learn munin as purveyor of all wisdom 13:22 gmcharlt ah 13:22 munin gmcharlt: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. 13:22 gmcharlt @help learn 13:22 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded. 13:22 sekjal @learn munin as your chatbot play who's fun to be with 13:22 munin gmcharlt: Invalid arguments for learn. 13:22 gmcharlt @learn munin purveyor of all wisdom 13:21 munin sekjal: "munin" could be supybot http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html 13:21 sekjal @whatis munin 13:18 munin sekjal: Error: No factoid matches that key. 13:18 sekjal @whatis git 13:18 munin owen: "cormorant" could be The common cormorant or shag Lays eggs inside a paper bag 13:18 owen @whatis cormorant 13:18 munin owen: The operation succeeded. 13:18 owen @learn cormorant as The common cormorant or shag Lays eggs inside a paper bag 13:17 sekjal there we go. neat 13:16 munin gmcharlt: "sekjal" could be Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions 13:16 gmcharlt @whatis sekjal 13:16 owen How do you retrieve a factoid then? 13:16 munin gmcharlt: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis 13:16 gmcharlt @list Factoids 13:16 munin gmcharlt: Error: There is no command "factoids". 13:16 gmcharlt @help factoids 13:16 sekjal I guess I'm not a command 13:16 owen ? 13:16 munin owen: Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "sekjal" in it. Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin. 13:16 owen @factoids sekjal 13:14 munin sekjal: Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "munin" in it. Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin. 13:14 sekjal @factoids munin 13:13 sekjal thought I'd catch up on the last few hours of IRC chatter, and found the @ learn gem. also, apparently, munin has games 13:12 sekjal learn adds to this list, apparently 13:12 munin sekjal: "open-source": open-source; "koha": koha-community.org; "zebra": the bane of our existence 13:12 sekjal @factoids random 13:12 sekjal errr 13:12 munin sekjal: Error: "factiods" is not a valid command. 13:12 sekjal @factiods random 13:11 nengard sekjal what does @ learn do? 13:11 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded. 13:11 sekjal @learn sekjal as Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions 13:08 magnus agreed, chris_n 13:08 chris_n very sad turn of events, however 13:07 chris_n very nice writeup 12:54 owen What a great write-up. The community chose well when we entrusted the HLT Committee with this task 12:48 * jwagner thanks owen 12:47 nengard wow: http://koha-community.org/hlt-koha-committee-report-on-discussions-with-ptfs/# 12:44 * owen sends sympathy treats to jwagner 12:41 jwagner Morning (but not much good about it, grump) 12:39 chris_n g'morning jane 12:38 munin owen: The operation succeeded. Quote #73 added. 12:38 owen @quote add <chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password 12:36 chris_n owen: try /msg munin identify nick password 12:35 nengard reminder to all -- send me those newsletter article ideas!!! 12:34 owen Wrong password? 12:34 owen and what does it mean if munin says "That name is already assigned to someone." 12:33 chris yeah 12:33 chris that one 12:33 munin gmcharlt: 1 found: #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" 12:33 gmcharlt @quote search register 12:33 owen Only wizzyrea remembers it 12:33 chris there is some quote that has the command in it 12:32 chris gah 12:32 munin chris: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 12:13 PM, June 16, 2009) 12:32 chris @quote get 6 12:32 munin chris: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, June 19, 2009) 12:32 chris @quote get 9 12:32 munin chris: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats 12:32 chris @list quote 12:32 munin chris: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "9" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. 12:32 chris @quote 9 12:32 owen What's the command to identify yourself to munin? 12:31 chris_n lol 12:31 chris merge --squash 12:30 munin jdavidb: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 03:40 PM, August 14, 2009) 12:30 jdavidb @quote random 12:29 chris_n hehe 12:29 munin jdavidb: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 03:12 PM, September 25, 2009) 12:29 jdavidb @quote random 12:29 chris_n for some reason munin seems to think someone else owns my nick 12:29 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #72 added. 12:29 jdavidb @quote add <nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client 12:28 * chris_n harrumphs at munin 12:28 munin chris_n: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 12:28 chris_n @quote add <nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client 12:27 nengard that's what i added to the bug report 12:27 nengard to be re-written. Will open a new bug for that if there isn't one already. 12:27 nengard template for the staff client is just a copy of the one for the OPAC and need 12:27 nengard the link is there. This is a bigger problem than this - basically the XSLT 12:27 nengard Found the problem if you turn off XSLTDetailsDisplay in the staff client then 12:26 nengard I found the problem - I thought I updated - I'll update now - it's evil xslt in the staff client- 12:26 owen That works for me. Can you double-check? 12:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4407 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, view in opac link missing in staff client 12:25 owen nengard: Re: Bug 4407 12:18 owen Hi everyone 12:17 nengard time to do some patching :) 12:16 nengard i'm actually home for a few days before the next trip!!! :) 12:16 nengard morning all 12:16 kf morning jdavidb :) 12:01 chris hi chris_n 11:59 chris_n morning 11:58 chris hi jdavidb 11:53 jdavidb g'mornin, #koha! :) 11:46 munin kf: Karma for "chris" has been increased 126 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 125. 11:46 kf @karma chris 11:46 kf chris++ 11:44 kf chris: thx! 11:40 chris http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#5 11:39 chris make sure you do a reset tho 11:39 chris yes 11:32 kf we have to delete a lot of records, will it work to delete entries in biblioi and biblioitems (those records have no items) and reindex? 11:01 BobB Hi all 10:30 chris have you heard from nahuel? 10:26 chris hiya hdl_laptop 10:25 hdl_laptop hi all 10:24 chris import problems are never fun 10:13 kf magnus: ouch 10:11 magnus kf: ouch? 10:01 kf today is the "day of import problems" *sigh* 09:38 magnus ...and there is 1 cm of fresh snow... 09:38 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (11:20 AM CEST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 09:38 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 09:29 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (2:40 PM IST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 09:29 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 07:59 kf hi Amit_G 07:58 Amit_G heya kf 07:25 kf hi chris 07:25 chris hi kf 07:24 kf good morning 06:39 chris good ice cream i remember too 06:35 chris i enjoyed myself when i was there in 1998 too 06:35 chris excellent, good to hear 06:34 paul_p fine, thanks. weather very nice, people very nice. 06:34 paul_p hi chris. 06:34 chris hows the netherlands treatng you paul_p ? 06:33 chris back 05:13 wizzyrea_laptop anyway, good night humans and bots. ttyl. (lol) 05:12 wizzyrea_laptop oh now i've just made you angry. 05:12 munin wizzyrea_laptop: What are you asking me for? 05:12 wizzyrea_laptop @Games eightball Beer? 05:12 wizzyrea_laptop Oh come on you crazy teetotaler 05:11 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The answer is a resounding no. 05:11 wizzyrea_laptop @Games eightball Not even Pina Coladas? 05:10 brendan wow ok thanks munes 05:09 munin brendan: The answer is a resounding no. 05:09 brendan @Games eightball have a drink? 05:09 munin brendan: NO! 05:09 brendan @Games eightball make a drink? 04:58 wizzyrea_laptop rofl 04:58 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded. 04:58 wizzyrea_laptop @learn zebra as the bane of our existence 04:57 wizzyrea_laptop later :) 04:57 chris ok hometime 04:56 wizzyrea_laptop der 04:56 munin chris: "open-source": open-source; "wizzyrea": Liz Rea, NEKLS; "slef": MJ Ray, webmaster-developer for TTLLP software.coop 04:56 wizzyrea_laptop OH 04:56 chris @factoids random 04:56 * chris hands wizzyrea_laptop an s 04:56 wizzyrea_laptop oh there you go 04:56 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command. 04:56 wizzyrea_laptop @factoid random 04:56 munin chris: "wizzyrea" could be Liz Rea, NEKLS 04:56 chris @whatis wizzyrea 04:56 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command. 04:56 wizzyrea_laptop @factoid wizzyrea 04:56 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded. 04:56 wizzyrea_laptop @learn wizzyrea as Liz Rea, NEKLS 04:56 wizzyrea_laptop aw 04:56 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command. 04:55 wizzyrea_laptop @factoid learn wizzyrea as Liz Rea, NEKLS 04:55 munin wizzyrea_laptop: "koha": koha-community.org; "light-speed": 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight; "slef": MJ Ray, webmaster-developer for TTLLP software.coop 04:55 wizzyrea_laptop @factoids random 04:55 munin eythian: world95 04:55 eythian @dict random 04:55 munin eythian: dan-eng 04:55 eythian @dict random 04:55 munin eythian: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random". 04:55 eythian @random 04:55 chris alright! 04:55 munin eythian: dict, dictionaries, and random 04:55 eythian @list dict 04:55 munin chris: It is possible. 04:55 chris @eightball should i go home now? 04:55 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long. 04:55 wizzyrea_laptop @monologue 04:54 chris there we go 04:54 munin chris: tails 04:54 chris @coin 04:54 munin chris: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long. 04:54 chris @monologue 04:54 chris ohh 04:54 munin chris: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long. 04:54 chris @games monologue 04:54 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather 04:54 wizzyrea_laptop @list 04:54 munin wizzyrea_laptop: heads 04:54 wizzyrea_laptop @Games coin 04:54 munin brendan: heads 04:54 brendan @Games coin 04:54 munin brendan: It is possible. 04:54 brendan @Games eightball 04:53 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 25.0�C (8:30 AM IST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. 04:53 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore 04:53 * brendan throws a highfive too 04:53 munin Amit_G: "koha" could be koha-community.org 04:53 Amit_G @whatis koha 04:53 brendan small_wins++ 04:53 * wizzyrea_laptop highfives chris 04:53 * chris takes the small wins 04:52 chris success!!! 04:52 munin brendan: Invalid arguments for learn. 04:52 brendan @learn unlearn 04:52 munin chris: "koha" could be koha-community.org 04:52 chris @whatis koha 04:52 munin Amit_G: Error: No factoid matches that key. 04:52 Amit_G @whatis perl 04:52 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 04:52 chris @forget koha 1 04:52 wizzyrea_laptop AHA 04:52 munin brendan: *click* 04:52 brendan @Games roulette 04:52 munin Amit_G: Error: No factoid matches that key. 04:52 Amit_G @whatis linux 04:52 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command. 04:52 munin chris: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. 04:52 wizzyrea_laptop @unlearn koha as http://www.koha.org 04:52 chris @forget koha 04:52 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 34.0�C (10:00 AM IST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 04:52 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi 04:52 munin chris: "koha" could be (#1) http://www.koha.org/, or (#2) koha-community.org 04:52 chris @whatis koha 04:52 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 23.0�C (8:30 AM IST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa. 04:52 Amit_G @wunder Dehradun 04:51 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 04:51 munin brendan: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette 04:51 chris @learn koha as koha-community.org 04:51 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "is" is not a valid command. 04:51 brendan @list Games 04:51 wizzyrea_laptop munin is a supybot 04:51 munin chris: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. 04:51 chris @help learn 04:51 munin brendan: Error: "listGames" is not a valid command. 04:51 brendan @listGames 04:51 munin chris: Invalid arguments for learn. 04:51 chris @learn koha is koha-community.org 04:51 wizzyrea_laptop fumble! 04:51 munin brendan: Error: The "Games" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "help" in it. Try "list Games" to see the commands in the "Games" plugin. 04:51 brendan @Games help 04:51 munin chris: "koha" could be http://www.koha.org/ 04:51 chris @whatis koha 04:51 * wizzyrea_laptop bonks munin on the head 04:51 munin brendan: Error: "Games" is not a valid command. 04:51 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command. 04:51 brendan @Games 04:51 wizzyrea_laptop @factoid 04:51 chris ahh ta eythian 04:51 munin brendan: Error: "games" is not a valid command. 04:51 brendan @games 04:51 munin eythian: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis 04:51 eythian @list factoids 04:50 munin chris: Error: There is no command "factoids". 04:50 chris @help Factoids 04:50 brendan nice find 04:50 munin chris: Error: There is no command "factoids". 04:50 chris @help factoids 04:50 wizzyrea_laptop apparently 04:50 wizzyrea_laptop just like that 04:50 chris ahh there you go 04:50 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather 04:50 wizzyrea_laptop @list 04:50 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: 'plugins' is not a valid plugin. 04:50 wizzyrea_laptop @list plugins 04:49 chris i wonder how you get a list 04:49 munin chris: Error: "plugins" is not a valid command. 04:49 chris @plugins 04:49 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "is" is not a valid command. 04:49 wizzyrea_laptop munin is 04:49 munin chris: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 04:49 chris @help 04:49 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "why" is not a valid command. 04:49 wizzyrea_laptop munin: why not? 04:49 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "kneel" is not a valid command. 04:49 wizzyrea_laptop @kneel 04:48 munin chris: Error: "love" is not a valid command. 04:48 chris @love fine_line hate 04:44 munin brendan: Error: "distance" is not a valid command. 04:44 brendan @distance love hate 04:44 munin chris: Error: "feel_mostly_ambivalent_about" is not a valid command. 04:44 chris @feel_mostly_ambivalent_about 04:44 munin chris: Error: "hate" is not a valid command. 04:44 chris @hate 04:44 munin chris: Error: "love" is not a valid command. 04:44 chris @love 04:44 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "likes" is not a valid command. 04:44 wizzyrea_laptop munin likes that one 04:44 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you" (added by jdavidb at 10:30 AM, April 01, 2010) 04:44 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random 04:44 chris zing! 04:44 chris lol 04:43 wizzyrea_laptop oh snap 04:43 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #64: "<jwagner> Depends on whether you're trying to get intelligent participation, or just saying we're going to do it MY way" (added by brendan at 10:58 AM, March 01, 2010) 04:43 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random 04:43 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 09:13 AM, June 12, 2009) 04:43 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random 04:43 wizzyrea_laptop like, squeeing excited. 04:43 wizzyrea_laptop so. So. SO excited. 04:43 wizzyrea_laptop I am SO excited about the debian package 04:42 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 03:17 PM, March 10, 2010) 04:42 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random 04:42 chris how i loathe thee 04:42 chris ahh scrum methodology 04:42 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 09:14 AM, September 01, 2009) 04:42 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random 04:42 wizzyrea_laptop this is fun. 04:42 wizzyrea_laptop lol 04:42 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 08:11 AM, July 27, 2009) 04:42 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random 04:42 wizzyrea_laptop oh that's a good one 04:40 munin brendan: Quote #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you" (added by jdavidb at 10:30 AM, April 01, 2010) 04:40 brendan @quote random 03:53 brendan nope 03:53 Amit_G brendan: have u try OAI? 03:53 brendan hi Amit_G good morning to you 03:52 Amit_G heya brendan, chris 01:43 chris night chris_n 01:42 chris_n g'night #koha 01:22 chris savitra++ 01:22 chris man, savitra is really really helpful on the mailing lists 01:21 chris without bustinating everything 01:21 chris most of the work has been moving from the frbr like structure, to the 2 tier marc one 01:21 chris_n cool 01:21 chris leading up to the go live, so getting there 01:21 chris we are in the final testing phase 01:20 chris_n hows the conversion going? 01:20 chris yeah, tis pretty quiet today 01:20 chris_n just wandered by the computer and noticed how slow it was in here :) 01:19 chris sup chris_n 01:17 * chris_n looks in