Time Nick Message 03:54 chris hi Amit_G 03:54 Amit_G hi chris 04:44 brendan heya Amit_G 04:44 Amit_G heya brendan 04:49 jo hiya Amit, Brendam 05:02 Amit_G heya jo 05:04 chris hello paul_p in the netherlands 05:05 jo hi Paul 05:11 wajasu got my zebra working. 05:12 chris it was nozebra eh? 05:19 JoannRansom testing 05:19 wajasu yes. nozebra. I accifentally ran rebuild_nozebra.pl and canceled it and then it must have switched the flag. Or else staff did it. 05:20 wajasu I know bulk import turns catalogin off and puts it back at the end. so i assume rebuild mmight do the same. to lazy to look now. 05:21 wajasu gnight. thx for the help tracking that down. 05:42 cait good morning 05:48 Amit_G heya cait 05:58 cait hi Amit_g 07:08 kf good morning #koha 07:17 Amit_G heya kf 07:28 chris evening kf 07:30 kf morning chris :) 08:47 kf hm, I have a problem sending hold notices by email from head - can somebody else test this too? first I had a problem because hold_print notice was missing, so I added it. but my patron has an email adress and no mail was generated. 08:47 chris theres nothing in the message queue table eh? 08:48 kf nothing in the patron notices tab, I did not check the mysql table 08:48 kf give me a mom 08:48 kf a moment 08:52 kf no 08:54 kf chris: still there? :) 08:54 chris yep 08:54 chris was just looking at the code 08:55 chris ill try to test it tomorrow at work and let you know 08:55 kf ok 08:55 kf I wanted to test a complete different thing : umlauts in email subjects 08:55 kf thought holds notice would be the fastest thing 08:56 kf hm, checkout notice... 08:57 kf chris: thanks :) 09:01 kf chris: checkout and checkin notice were generated 09:04 chris cool 09:06 kf but no hold notice, I did another test :( 09:08 chris righto, it doesnt need a cron job running to generate them or something? 09:08 kf chris: first case was a book that was not on loan when placing the hold and I got no entry in messaging 09:08 kf I want email hold notices, not print :) 09:08 kf print would need a cronjob I think 09:08 chris umm i think email does too 09:08 chris but im not sure 09:09 kf I can retest this on our other test installation, but there seems to be a problem, because I did another test with a book checked out to another patron, placed a hold, checked in - now I have an entry in messaging: 09:10 kf printTestpending2010-04-28 11:07:02 09:10 kf although the user has an email address 09:10 chris hmm 11:19 Irinie Hi 11:20 Irinie Good morning 11:21 chris hi Irinie 11:24 Irinie Need your help please, I Install Koha 229 on a server, it seem working fine. but the Member modules doesn't save any new member registration 11:24 chris are you using windows? 11:25 Irinie yes 11:25 chris 2.2.9 is very very old 11:25 chris and unsupported anymore i am afraid 11:25 Irinie could we install another new verson on windows 11:26 chris not without lots and lots of work 11:26 chris you could run it inside a virtual machine though 11:27 Irinie it is inside a virtual server 11:27 chris you installed 2.2.9 on linux, in a virtual machine on windows?? 11:28 Irinie in a virtual machine on Windows 11:29 chris sorry what? 11:29 chris if you have a virtual machine running linux, on your windows machine (say using vmware) you could run koha 3.0.5 on that 11:31 Irinie but we don't use linux 11:32 chris i am saying you could run linux inside a virtual machine, on your windows server 11:35 Irinie Ok I will refer to the It and reply to you soon 11:42 Amit_G heya jwagner 11:43 chris_n g'morning Amit_G, jwagner 11:43 chris_n and chris 11:44 chris heh 11:44 jwagner Morning, all 11:44 chris for a little while anyway :) 11:44 * jwagner wonders if chris EVER sleeps.... 11:44 Amit_G heya chris_n 11:46 chris yep, i usually get 6 or more hours in 11:47 chris with young kids you get used to weird sleep routines tho :) 11:48 jwagner Nah, I think you just enjoy playing online too much to bother with sleep :-) 11:50 chris life would be easier if that were true :) 11:52 * chris_n just added an 8 week old puppy to his team of 4 young kids :-P 11:52 chris_n sleep is definitely illusive atm 11:54 kf chris: yesterday you said 7 hours... ;) 11:55 kf jwagner: I have a problem with emailing hold notices - I think the print notice "got in the way" - could you test on head? I had a patron with email adress and message preferences for hold notices, but got a line with "print" in messages and another time I got no notice at all 11:56 kf could = if you have an installation, I cant send notices at home and searching for someone who can confirm there is a bug or not :) 11:58 jwagner kf, see Bug 4386 -- our original feature worked fine for emailing hold notices. BibLibre took that & expanded on it, and I think something they did broke it. I verified that it was a problem at current head; still works in our systems. 11:58 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4386 major, P2, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, New print notice feature not obeying email address for hold notices 11:58 jwagner Other than that, I haven't had time to look at it. 12:04 kf jwagner: aaah, I did not find it - thx! 12:15 kf jwagner: I mark the bug as blocker because email hold notices dont work now 12:17 * jdavidb waves to kf and owen 12:18 * owen grumbles 12:20 gmcharlt good morning 12:29 * kf waves to jdavidb and owen and sends some chocolate medicine 12:31 owen Thanks kf that would probably help! 12:31 jwagner Hey! Where's MINE??? 12:32 * jwagner wants chocolate too :-( 12:32 * kf sends more chocolate to jwagner 12:32 * jwagner smiles 12:32 kf :) 12:33 * jwagner sends chocolate back to kf as thanks 12:33 * owen thinks jwagner taught his 3yo some tricks for getting his way 12:33 kf chocolate exchange program :) 12:34 jwagner owen, ME? I've never even SEEN your 3yo. Any bad habits he's developed must be coming from his parents, methinks. 12:34 kf oh, a library asked about a module for ... exchange of publications(?) - does someone know how this could be done with koha or if there is development planned? 12:35 kf not sure if this is special for our libraries 12:35 jdavidb interlibrary loan, kf? 12:35 kf no 12:35 kf the institution of the library publishes a book and the books are send to different other institutions 12:35 kf and they get publications from those institutions 12:36 kf I think you need to manage adresses of your exchange partners and mark the items 12:37 jdavidb hm.. That wouldn't be a huge extension, I wouldn't think. Could manage the exchange partners as a fixed patron class, maybe, if you just need to keep a mailing list. 12:37 kf my problem is, I never worked with such a module, but I get asked for it 12:38 kf I think a lot of it could be done with reports and perhaps you could manage them as patron or vendor 12:38 kf but it seems this is not common in other libraries? 12:39 gmcharlt kf: doesn't sound like that practice is common in US academic libraries 12:39 jdavidb I've not heard of it in this country; generally, if a library is going to publish something in larger quantity, they'll send it out to a publishing company, I'd think. 12:40 jdavidb (or have their academic institution's private press do it) 12:41 kf jdavidb: publishing is not the problem, but they give the finished publications to other libraries for free 12:41 kf and get publications back from them 12:41 gmcharlt how strictly do you need to audit them? 12:42 gmcharlt i.e., if a library fails to send you their publications, does your workflow need to be able to detect that 12:42 kf Im not sure, I have to get more information about the process, I had hoped its a more common practice 12:42 gmcharlt ? 12:42 jdavidb Most of that here would be handled by the publishing company; you'd send them a "courtesy copy" list, and they'd send 'em out when the publication came out. 12:42 kf I think in some cases yes, 12:43 kf jdavid: dont tell me, tell the libraries :) 12:45 jwagner The nearest equivalent I can think of in the US would be the federal depository libraries -- libraries designated to get a copy of every federal publication. There isn't a reciprocal (the libraries don't send the gov't anything in return) and I don't know how the libraries track receipt of federal publications. 12:46 jwagner I know a few depository sites -- I could ask around if it would help any. But I imagine they just get publications in the mail & catalog as normal. I doubt there's any kind of tracking. 12:48 gmcharlt US govt depository libraries do get to select what subset of the documents to get 12:48 gmcharlt and there are shipping lists that they can refer to 12:49 gmcharlt to ensure that they get what they're supposed to 12:49 gmcharlt not sure how amenable that is to machine processing 12:49 gmcharlt also, a lot of libraries use thrid-party vendors such as MARCIVE to supply them with catalog records for the government documents 12:51 jwagner Thanks, gmcharlt -- that's more detail than I knew :-) 12:51 kf jwagner&gmcharlt: thx 12:51 kf I just talked to my colleague 12:52 kf she told me its about tracking who got what publication, lists of who got what from the library and who wants what and so on 12:52 kf have to think about it a bit more 12:52 kf an example: museum libraries exchange their exhibition catalogs 12:55 schuster I worked with Gov docs for awhile and there are programs to track what you have received or not received from the government. Most of them are Serial type items 12:57 schuster kf sounds more like an ILL type situation to track what you have sent out, or are you trying to track what you should be getting? 12:57 kf both, but you are never getting things back 12:57 schuster So backup - what is the ultimate goal you are trying to achieve? 12:58 schuster But there would be a record that it was sent. 12:58 schuster It would be a courtesy also to provide at least a shell of a MARC record to those you are sending the document to. Why not make them epublications? 12:58 kf and some kind of report, I was also told there should be a balance 12:59 kmkale I have recently had a requirement from a multi branch library which does central purchasing and despatches the books to branches. They needed tracking of this within koha 12:59 kmkale possible? 13:00 kf schuster: some time ago a student would have to print about 50 and more copies of his thesis and the library would send them out to other libraries - today many things are published on institution repositories 13:00 schuster I wonder if you could use KETE for something like this in an e format? That way the items wouldn't have to be "sent" but would be available to everyone. 13:00 kf schuster: this is about printed publications, books, journals 13:00 schuster Yes - I was talking with a doctorate student that indicated they had to provide the finished copy 1 hard, 1 PDF, 1 word editor type document for repository purposes. 13:01 schuster kf the problem with books journals is single use - I do like paper personally, but there is storage, space, and convenience - e - manages all of those concerns. 13:02 kf schuster: you dont need to convince me - although I think some things are more enjoyable in print form 13:02 schuster kmkale - depends on how much tracking you want? In 3.2 I believe there is more of this type of tracking available. Maybe jwagner can expound on that as I believe PTFS did the development? 13:03 kmkale they wanted to be able to scan the barcodes on despatch in to koha and on recieving end again scan barcodes and do a reconciliation 13:03 schuster kf - yes but even if you had it available in - e - format you could indicate who they could ILL the paper from rather than 5 institutions holding it? 13:04 kmkale to track number of books sent = number received as well as correct books received at the correct branch 13:05 schuster kmkale - from what I know when the item is created it goes into "processing" and then when the library receives it checks it in making it available. Seems like Dynix had something similar to what you are asking for but Koha doesn't have that unless you use maybe a transfer process? 13:05 jwagner schuster, I've lost track -- what are you asking me about? 13:05 kf schuster: I kind of lost track too :( 13:05 schuster kmkale was asking about central processing and dispatching items. 13:05 kmkale yes central purchase and despatch to branches 13:06 schuster kf - sorry started mixing topics here. 13:06 kmkale and sorry I jumped in 13:06 jwagner No, we haven't done anything along those lines. Reading back, I think you may be referring to our in processing/shelving cart feature. I suppose it might have some uses along those lines, but it wasn't developed for that purpose. 13:06 schuster kmkale seems like you could do that with transfer - but it would be a lot of repetitive motion scanning on both ends. 13:07 kmkale how does transfer work? haven't used it before 13:07 kmkale and can we get reco reports of transfers? 13:11 kf ok, meeting now - thx for your input! 13:11 kmkale Got it in docs 13:11 kmkale but i dont think it will meet the purpose & requirement here 13:11 kmkale I was thinking of writing a small separate web app for this 13:12 kmkale but please let me know if you have any ideas on how to acchieve this from within Koha 13:12 schuster kmkale - probably isn't exactly what you are looking for, but maybe could be tweaked for central processing purposes? through the cataloging menu add "distribution" which you could take that same bit of code, but have it also change the current/home when it was checked in. 13:13 kmkale shuster: not sure I understand 13:15 schuster The processing center would have its own location - so when you "dispatch" the item from the processing center it would indicate - Home library is who it is sending to, current library would be processing center. When it gets checked in both would be changed to Home library. 13:15 schuster which I assume is who you are sending the item to. 13:15 kmkale they want to create the bib and inter the item, generate barcode and then send it to the branch which will just put it on shelf and start lending. ( after doing the received reconciliation of course ) 13:16 schuster Seems like transfer would work for that... We run an ILL report for items that are "in transit" from A to B to find items that didn't make it "home". 13:16 kmkale do you mean we use the normal circulation mech to send the item and use check out at processing center and check in at receiving branch? 13:18 kmkale Functionally it will work. but for reporting. let me try using transfer and see what kind of report I can generate 13:18 kmkale thanks shuster 14:55 jcamins Does anyone know if it is possible to overlay records in Koha? 14:57 jcamins (to clarify: I'm looking to overlay records in bulk so I can do name authority work outside of Koha) 14:57 jcamins (we're using 3.2-alpha) 15:16 kmkale @help 15:16 munin kmkale: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 15:18 jwagner gmcharlt, online? 15:18 gmcharlt yep 15:26 jcamins Are there any guidelines on submitting features as patches? We have made a number of customizations, and would like to contribute them for 3.4, but I'm not real clear on the use of, e.g., system preferences. 15:28 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 15:28 jwagner There's also http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines&s[]=coding&s[]=guidelines 15:28 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=bugreportingfornewbies 15:29 wizzyrea oh, good one jwagner 15:29 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=instructions 15:29 wizzyrea as well 15:29 wizzyrea so.. yes, would be the answer to that 15:29 wizzyrea :) 15:30 * jwagner mumbles something about not all of us actually FOLLOWING the guidelines, but..... 15:31 jwagner And yes, I'm talking about myself :-) 15:31 wizzyrea hehe 15:31 wizzyrea jwagner: I hadn't actually SEEN this page before 15:31 wizzyrea so thanks for the link 15:32 jwagner Various people of the techie persuasion have been trying to work it up lately -- I just remembered the discussion. 15:32 kf jcamins: we get our authorities from our union catalog, afaik it overlays records with the same identifier 15:33 kf jcamins: there is a script for bulkauthimport in 3.0, I think its integrated in bulkmarcimport in 3.2 15:33 kf jcamins: I have not tested that yet 15:34 jcamins wizzyrea: Oh, look at that. I'd never seen the instructions one. 15:34 wizzyrea hehe! 15:35 jcamins kf: I'm trying to overlay bib records, and it seems that bulkmarcimport will either create duplicate records, or ignore duplicate records, but won't replace. Unless I'm doing something wrong, which is quite possible. 15:38 kf jcamins: look at the staged marc import 15:38 kf sorry, emergency here 15:40 * jwagner sends kf more chocolate to help with the emergency. 15:42 kf thx, I need it :) 15:43 kf jcamins: staged marc import can work with matching points and overlay, we even us it on command line 15:45 jcamins kf: I'm just poking at it now, but it looks like this is what we need. 15:46 kf jcamins: until today (import emergency right now...) it worked really well, we match by 001 which contains the unique control number from our union catalog 15:50 jcamins kf: It's a shame that they never bothered with unique 001s before, here. 15:52 kmkale quit 15:53 jcamins kf: Is there any reason we can't use 999c? That's guaranteed unique, after all. 15:56 kf I think you can build a matching rule on 999c too, but I think this is a number generated by koha? 15:57 jcamins Yes. I only want to overlay those records that are already in Koha. 15:57 kf but do you have that 999c number in the records you want to import? 15:58 jcamins Yes, the records I'm importing were all exported from Koha earlier. 16:02 jcamins That's amazing! 16:04 jcamins (it worked beautifully, for the first 100 records) 16:08 kf jcamins: yes, its a great tool, you can also undo imports 16:17 jcamins I guess now I just have to figure out how to deal with item records with this. 16:29 schuster pazpar2 setup/configuration - I noticed in the MARCH newsletter(thank you again Nicole) that someone was working with pazpar2 again to get it to "discover" books etc from gutenberg etc... 16:30 schuster Is there any more technical information about getting that setup? It was a brief article but intriguing. 16:38 kf schuster: chris did some work on that, search the irc logs - there were some instructions and two patches on chris' git 16:39 kf schuster: wanted to try it according to this inforamtion myself, but had no time yet 16:39 kf bye #koha :) 16:41 schuster thanks kf 16:43 wizzyrea bbl, but I want some help/feedback on this: http://koha-community.org/about/developer-guidelines/ 16:43 wizzyrea links, additional requested verbiage, etc 16:44 wizzyrea scratch that link 16:44 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/developer-guidelines/ 17:28 schuster so is that chris really here? 17:28 owen Probably a little early for him 17:29 schuster Sorry I keep dropping in and out not sure what's wrong with my internet. 17:29 zico brenden: hello, how are you all? 17:29 schuster Ok - I was going to ask a pazpar2 question. I'll hold it for later... ;) LUNCH! 17:29 zico thank you all for helping me to solve the problem of fine calculation 17:29 zico but, i am facing another problem 17:30 zico after completing the fine, if same user goes for another book, he/she cannot issue anything 17:30 zico if you want, i can paste this image to somewhere 17:31 zico i mean, i took the screenshot from my server 17:50 zico is there anyone who can help me? 17:58 zico is there anyone who can help me? 17:58 zico say... Mr. A took a book which had fine 17:58 zico he completed his outstanding fine 17:59 zico then, he want to take another book... so.. i just entered that barcode of that book, but... he is unable to check out that book 17:59 zico i mean... this message is not coming... "Please confirm Checkout? Yes/No"... this is not coming 18:00 jwagner zico, did that patron record get marked as debarred? 18:00 jwagner Does the patron owe any more money for anything else? Check the value in the noissuescharge syspref. 18:06 zico jwagner: i am very sorry to let you know that, i cannot understand the meaning of "marked as debarred"! Can you help me a little? 18:07 zico jwagner: the value of noissuecharge is given "10" ... so..... 18:10 jwagner If you edit a patron record, down near the bottom is a section called Patron Account Flags. One of the entries is Debarred. If that's set to yes, the patron will not be able to borrow anything. 18:11 jwagner The noissuescharge syspref is a threshold -- if the patron owes more than that amount, then checkouts are blocked. 18:14 zico jwagner: no, the Patron 18:14 zico Account Flag is not set to Deburred! 18:14 jwagner Then I'm out of ideas :-( 18:15 wizzyrea_laptop zico: are you sure you have a default rule in your circ settings? 18:16 zico wizzyrea_laptop: we have modified our circ settings. 18:16 wizzyrea_laptop I was afk, maybe someone already asked that 18:16 wizzyrea_laptop but do you have a default rule? 18:16 zico what default rule? 18:17 wizzyrea_laptop 1s I'll screencap 18:18 zico wizzyrea_laptop: do u want screenshots? 18:18 wizzyrea_laptop nope, I'm going to cap you an example of the rules I'm talking about 18:20 zico i cannot understand you point. :( 18:23 wizzyrea_laptop ok, just a minute :) 18:27 wizzyrea_laptop http://screencast.com/t/ZmI3MDQwZDU 18:28 wizzyrea_laptop sorry for the delay there 18:36 zico wizzyrea_laptop: are you giving this to me? this link? 18:37 wizzyrea_laptop yes, though I think maybe I missed the important part of your problem. I still think it's something to do with your rules though 18:37 zico ok, lemme check 18:40 zico wizzyrea_laptop: are you talking about "default" rule? 18:40 wizzyrea_laptop yep 18:40 zico there in my koha, there is nothing like this... i mean.. there is nothing called for "Default" 19:03 zico wizzyrea_laptop: here is the problem... http://www.screencast.com/users/mohib.zico/folders/Default/media/fae86761-d565-4ea6-aa59-8275af04b439 19:04 zico i cannot see any window like "please confirm checkout"!! 19:06 wizzyrea_laptop so that happens when someone tries to check something out but they have fines? 19:07 wizzyrea_laptop kind of like this enhancement requesT? 19:07 wizzyrea_laptop http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3496 19:07 munin 04Bug 3496: enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Override maximum fine at checkout 19:23 cait hi #koha 19:25 jcamins Is there anyone about who understands bib1 attributes? 19:27 jcamins I'm trying to understand why the bib1.att file calls Use attribute 30 'copydate' and what the ramifications might be of changing that to 'date' (since in fact Use attribute 30 is supposed to include the data in MARC21 033, too). 19:28 owen Grrr.. Placing multiple holds at once from a list will override the maxreserves limit >:( 19:30 wizzyrea_laptop !! hiss 19:31 zico so...i can understand that, this is a bug 19:31 zico what can i do now??? 19:32 jwagner owen, hence my patch on Bug 3093 to turn off that multiple holds button. 19:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3093 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, sedwards@alloycomputing.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Enhance placing of holds in staff interface 19:33 jwagner I sent that patch in November, but I don't think it's ever been pushed. 19:33 cait jcamins: I think copydate is the index name, look at record.abs if 033 is indexed there too 19:34 owen jwagner: Can you explain your last comment on that bug? What problems was it causing? 19:34 jwagner Some of what you were having, also problems with it not blocking holds between branches. 19:34 jcamins cait: It is not. There is a commented out line: #melm 033 Date 19:35 jwagner owen, in particular, the original feature didn't have item-level holds, and it was placing next available holds without regard for the branches. Some of that was fixed by setting the hold policies in the circ rules, but it was a problem. 19:35 cait zebra configuration is spread in 3 files, ccl.properties is involved too 19:35 jcamins I added a completely separate index, since we use 033s to hold auction dates, but that doesn't seem quite right. 19:36 owen jwagner: So the problem with multiple holds not obeying the maxreserves limit is resolved by disabling multiple holds? 19:36 jcamins cait: (it works fine, but I feel like I may have created more of a maintenance headache than is absolutely needed) 19:36 jwagner It's a workaround, not a fix :-) 19:36 jwagner If they have to place holds on each individual title, then it obeys the limits. It's just the multihold feature that doesn't work right. 19:37 cait jcamins: I know what you mean, we have an separate index for inventory numbers - an additional field in items 19:37 schuster Question for those running 3.2 alpha(and I have an old one at that) - I'm in the admin tools - with items in my "cart" when I click on the cart to see those 2 items I am getting an error: 19:38 schuster "software error" Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1336."contact your webmaster"... 19:38 cait oh, looks familiar 19:39 jcamins cait: Is this something worth bringing up on koha-devel, do you think? The bib1 standard specifies 033 (obviously this would be a change for 3.4, not 3.2... most people probably don't use 033) 19:40 cait perhaps ask gmcharlt about it, I dont know enough about z39.50 19:41 cait and open discussion is never a bad idea :) 19:41 gmcharlt indeed not 19:42 gmcharlt enabling use attribute 33 shouldn't be a big deal 19:43 gmcharlt but now I'm confusing myself - since when did bib1 actually specify a MARC mapping? 19:43 jcamins gmcharlt: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html 19:43 gmcharlt ah, that's distinct from the bib-1 attribute set itself 19:44 schuster chris_n about? question about label printing... 19:45 jcamins Yeah, but right now Koha's configuration files call use attribute 30 'copydate' and if we enable 033 in record.abs, and want it to match to use attribute 30, that would be confusing. 19:45 gmcharlt yep 19:45 gmcharlt I think that would be the main thing holding back just uncommenting the melm line 19:46 gmcharlt is whether there would be an issue with slightly changing the semantics on the pubdate sorting 19:46 chris_n schuster: here 19:46 jcamins I think Koha uses use attribute 31 for pubdate. 19:46 schuster When it puts the text on the screen for the individual spine label is that controlled anywhere for font size or you get what you get? 19:47 jcamins (checking on that now) 19:47 zico Guys.... what can i do??? :D 19:48 chris_n schuster: I assume you are referring to the size of the font on the spine label itself? 19:48 zico do u have any suggestions for my overdued patrons?? :) 19:48 schuster chris_n yes font size 19:50 chris_n schuster: fontsize is set in the layout 19:51 chris_n edit the layout for your spine label and look near the bottom of the screen 19:51 chris_n there you can adjust three attributes of the text: alignment, font type, font size 19:52 schuster OK I'll poke around a little more on that. 19:52 jcamins So far as I can tell, copydate (use attribute 30) isn't actually used anywhere. The only mention outside of the configuration is in Search.pm, in the list of all indexes. 19:56 jcamins cait: If you're still around, I have a question for you about the 77x linking you're working on (I think you had said you were working on 77x linking?) 19:57 cait jcamins: yes, although I had not time the last days, I hope it will be better once I get my own virtual box koha on my computer at work next week 19:58 cait jcamins: the problem is, I m not sure how it will work for other libraries (meaning international) 19:59 jcamins Okay. My question is as follows: we actually customized the linking more than what was in the patches I submitted. I don't really know how to make our additional customizations useful to others. But you might. Would it be of any use to you if I sent you the customized XSLT files? 19:59 cait jcamins: our libraries catalog in the union catalog and I get links with unique id numbers in $w, I already have a patch for an index record-control-number, but I think I need to add some more fields for linking by isbn and issn? 19:59 jcamins (I'll find an example of what we did... one moment) 20:00 cait of course you can send them to me, but cant promise anything - im not really a programmer but the only person available to add this functionality. and ourlibraries really need this. 20:00 jcamins http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=20 20:00 cait will of course try not to break anything and I hope I can make it work better for other libraries too 20:01 jcamins I think that link works. The relevant point is below the subjects, where the link to "Numismatica Antichita Classiche" points to a query by ISSN. 20:01 cait sorry, this link does not work for me 20:01 zico hello 20:01 jcamins Okay, I'll try the other one. 20:01 zico hello 20:01 zico is there any way to manage patron with overdue?? 20:02 jcamins Ah. The server is down. Again. IT is working on it. 20:02 cait zico: I missed the description of your problem, is your problem a yellow box without text? 20:03 cait oh bugs.koha.org is really slow 20:03 zico cait: yes! it comes to such patrons who just paid their overdues 20:04 cait but the overdue items are still checked out? 20:05 cait bug 4036 20:05 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING 20:12 zico so... this is a bug 20:12 zico i cannot make anything for my patrons with overdue? 20:14 zico can i make anything for my patrons with overdue? 20:14 cait you could try fix it in your installation by changing the code, but the patch is not in head yet and im not sure it will work for 3.0.x - perhaps someone of the developers can help, I dont know git and perl good enough to help here :( 20:15 zico cait: changing code during installation? 20:15 zico i don`t get it! :) 20:17 cait Im sorry 20:19 cait perhaps you will need to live with the bug until its fixed, you could add to the bug report, tht this is a problem in 3.0.x too 20:21 zico :( :( 20:31 jcamins cait: I e-mailed you the XSLT (and a screenshot), in the hopes that it might be helpful to you. 20:32 cait jcamins: thank you! 20:33 cait jcamins: I will tell you about my progress 20:34 jcamins You're welcome. Hopefully it will be helpful. The linking is useful, but I don't feel like what I wrote (aside from the patch I already submitted) is really patch quality. 20:35 cait not sure I wil reach patch quality - but will try. 20:36 cait I already saved your other patches to look at them :) 20:36 jcamins Well, maybe between all the people who care about analytics we'll manage. 20:36 cait I think feedback from other librares with other cataloging practices is needed here - im not a cataloger and not a programmer, so will need some help 20:36 jcamins It would be very exciting if Koha had good analytic support... I think it would be the only ILS. 20:37 jcamins I'm a cataloger, but I stopped being a programmer five years ago. 20:37 cait I dont know, in our catalogs articles and links between records are very common 20:39 chris back 20:39 cait hi chris 20:40 brendan wb chris 20:40 * chris looks forward to being able to go git pull jcamins-repo/analytics_branch :) 20:43 jcamins chris: it's still in a state of flux, but our branch is in github, if you want to see it (see the list of public repositories on the wiki) 20:43 chris yup i looked, very cool 20:44 chris the more public repos the better 20:44 cait can you have a public repo when working with virtual box? 20:44 jcamins cait: Yes! 20:44 chris cait: yes use github or gitorious 20:44 jcamins cait: That's what I'm doing, actually. 20:45 schuster chris - question about pazpar2 - so if you are using pazpar you really don't use Zebra or you use it in conjunction? 20:45 chris conjunction 20:46 schuster Ah ok that makes more sense thank you. I was trying to figure out why you would use Zebra at all if Pazpar has these other features! 20:46 cait jcamins: I will remember that :) 20:46 schuster Is the setup for pazpar2 documented well anywhere? 20:46 jcamins Clone a repository on github, and add it as a remote (github's instructions explain this). Then you just have to set up a public key, and you can use git push. 20:47 cait not sure I undestand it, still struggling with git a lot 20:47 jcamins Neither do I. 20:47 jcamins If you look through the IRC logs, though, someone (I forget who) is an expert, and was able to explain it to me. 20:48 jcamins Okay, time to close up before the security guards kick me out. 20:48 jcamins Have a good week, all. 20:48 cait yes, time for me too 20:48 cait good night #koha 20:48 wizzyrea_laptop good night cait 20:49 cait night liz! 20:58 chris ohh another new developer cool 21:03 brendan @wunder 93117 21:03 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 21.1�C (1:40 PM PDT on April 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Thursday... 21:05 chris @wunder wellington nz 21:05 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 21:32 jo Morning all 21:33 chris_n hey jo 21:33 jo hi Chris 21:33 rhcl_away Hi jo 21:34 jo fantastic email you wrote the other day about Koha community 21:34 brendan heya jo 21:34 chris hiya jo 21:34 jo who is rhcl? 21:34 jo (I know everyone else :) 21:34 chris_n thanks 21:35 rhcl_away Rolling Hills Consolidated Library - St. Joseph, MO 21:35 rhcl_away USA 21:35 rhcl_away oops 21:36 jo very good. 21:36 jo so dfid your parents call you Rolling Hills or do you have a real name? 21:37 jo (I'm a bit cheeky sometimes ... :) 21:37 chris_n hehe 21:37 rhcl Oh, actually I'll respond to lots of things, but Greg works. 21:37 jo cool - hi Greg. Pleased to meet you 21:37 rhcl call all IRC clients not see the "Real Name"? It shows in my xchat so I just assumed everybody could see it. 21:37 rhcl s/call/can 21:38 brendan Jo = our resident "mover and shaker" 21:38 jo I can't see it... butthen I just pretend to know what I'm doing with tech stuff 21:38 chris_n jo: /whois rchl 21:38 rhcl uh, rhcl 21:38 chris_n opps 21:38 jo there you go ! see Ilearnt something 21:39 chris_n nice! its hard to learn people things these days ;-) 21:39 gmcharlt heh 21:40 * chris_n hears the grammar teacher in him groan 21:42 jo off to spend day working with chris on our 2nd test conversion of 2.2.9 to 3.2 21:42 jo and its looking beautiful :)