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Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). 21:03 brendan @wunder 93117 19:19 * cait closing bugs :) 19:08 owen weekend :) 19:01 slef dinner :) 18:53 slef it skips to next appearance of the text by default ;-) 18:53 slef actually, that's not perfect 18:53 slef owen: you should use wily as editor ;-) right-click TMPL_IF to skip to the /TMPL_IF 18:52 slef aww thanks 18:51 cait and slef++ 18:49 cait owen thy again for your help yesterday! owen++ 18:49 slef I don't remember :-/ 18:48 * owen supposes template toolkit will change things? 18:48 owen I see 18:47 slef owen: argument was with HTML::Template upstream IIRC 18:47 owen Being able to find a matching ending tag was very useful 18:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4403 blocker, P5, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, XSLT files not translated 18:47 cait bug 4403 18:47 * owen doesn't remember the argument, just remembers that the <TAG> formatting worked better with his HTML-editor 18:45 * slef adds it to the style guide 18:45 slef owen: but I think this is an argument i lost a few years ago 18:44 * slef hunts the style guide 18:44 slef owen: I wonder if Processing Instructions (like <?htp ... ?>) would break fewer tools. 18:44 slef is "try to avoid TMPL_IFs inside tags" in our style guide? 18:43 owen So slef, your preference would have been that we use a different delimiter for HTML::Template markup? 18:43 slef looks better... bugs like this are painful, so all credit for fixing it 18:41 owen We *might* be able to eliminate a couple of those IFs, assuming it doesn't break the Syndetcs URL... which it might. 18:40 slef looking 18:40 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4208 blocker, P1, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 18:40 owen slef: see the patch I submitted for Bug 4208 yesterday for opac-detail.tmpl 18:39 slef actually, opac-readingrecord.tmpl: line 58 is going to be very awkward to refactor into valid SGML in my copy :-( 18:38 slef indeed... because gettext is reading it only as SGML 18:37 owen Well, I know we can't do this: <option value="something" <!-- TMPL_IF name="selected" --> selected="selected"<!-- /TMPL_IF-->> 18:36 * slef looks that up on a source tree 18:36 slef and delete it from both branches? 18:36 slef can we move the <img src=" before the <!-- TMPL_IF ... --> 18:35 slef opac-readingrecord.tmpl: line 58 18:35 slef test it like this: 18:35 owen Yes, you put it more correctly. 18:35 slef s/if/with/ 18:35 slef sure it's not a problem if a TMPL_IF branch containing half an HTML tag? 18:34 owen slef: it's a problem with embedding TMPL_IF inside an HTML tag 18:34 slef owen: odd. It looks like a problem with the template tags. 18:34 owen ...and we had to switch from <TMPL> to <!-- TMPL --> in order to accomodate gettext 18:33 owen slef: As I understand it it's a problem with gettext 18:33 cait i will open a new bug for xslt translation, so we can close it when syndetics is tested 18:33 slef I think that whoever decided to use SGML comments for HTML::Template instructions needs their bumps read. 18:32 slef Is it because HTML::Template's pseudo-SGML causes confusion with the template's real SGML? 18:32 cait just wanted to let you know, will update bug now 18:32 jwagner owen, I can't tell if the problem was with your patch or with trying to use a Syndetics ID from another site. 18:32 owen I've got to hear more about jwagner's problem with my patch before I can address these problems 18:32 cait and I got my submit buttons all translated :) 18:31 cait owen: yeah, not sure what makes it so unhappy - but: opac-detail translation looks a lot better now. only xslt translation is still missing 18:31 slef cait: ITYM train 18:31 slef I can answer line 68, &systype probably should be &systype 18:31 cait slef: with the flight it might get a bit expensive :) 18:30 jwagner joetho, we're working on retraining :-) That's why helpdesk tickets are at the top of the priority list. 18:30 nengard okay all - heading to airport to go home!! 18:30 nengard :( 18:30 nengard joetho that is so the wrong way things should be 18:29 owen cait: The same Syndetics and Librarything errors again. 18:29 slef cait: well, if you do and are looking to buy, let us know ;-) 18:28 cait owen: http://pastebin.com/KbG1fCRm errors from tanslator for opac 18:28 cait slef: I could need one 18:25 slef there are some downsides to only having workers, no salesmen 18:24 slef I should sell Linux courses. Oh wait, we used to and no-one came ;-) 18:24 joetho liblime customers are are now trained to assume the worst. 18:23 cait noted 18:22 slef one gotcha: 2>&1 must come *after* you redirect output 18:22 cait thx :) I added it to my linux wiki page - so I dont forget it 18:22 slef I could get into non-linear pipelines now, but then I'd have to kill me. 18:22 slef unless someone tells it otherwise ;-) 18:21 slef yes, each command-line program has a standard input, a standard output and a standard error channel 18:20 slef 2>&1 simply means "add errors to regular output" 18:20 cait ah, I think this is why I just gut "seems successful" when I tried >error.txt 18:20 slef cait: you can probably also " >outputfile.txt 2>errorfile.txt " if you want to keep the output and the errors apart 18:20 cait slef: I wanted to catch the output of translator scripts I start from command line 18:19 slef cait: I assume bash or similar shell. 18:18 cait slef: thx, will try that. 18:14 slef cait: if so, put ">outputfile.txt 2>&1" on the end of the line 18:14 slef cait: output as in the error/warning/other messages? 18:11 * chris_n hands jdavidb one 18:11 chris_n man does ubuntu lucid boot fast 18:07 cait ok, another question: can I write the output or tmpl.process3.pl in a txt file? 18:06 * jdavidb returns to his desk, reads the backlog, and wants a donut. 17:55 wizzyrea_laptop today 17:55 wizzyrea_laptop kk will go grab it 17:55 nengard i forget if it was yesterday or today that you were pulling the update to the website 17:55 slef I've no "willingness to assume the worst". It's just recognition of what was already done. 17:54 nengard wizzyrea i have updated the manual again 17:52 slef OK, now that I've said it: on 30 Jan 2009, John Yokley emailed me to say part of the "Regrets Failure" press release was "not true" and that he was "prepared" to turn it into a "legal issue". That's why I've generally not interacted directly with PTFS, Inc workers. 17:48 cait chris_n: thx 17:48 cait slef: erm? 17:48 chris_n nothing like breaking news 17:48 slef My memory is terrible, so I'm not suited for mixed development. If a project is private, I'm OK. I've a project is open, I'm OK. If it's mixed, I mess up. 17:47 chris_n heh 17:47 slef There is a reason why I hated the koha-manage list. I struggle to remember what is secret. 17:47 chris_n cait: copying maybe the most straightforward method 17:47 slef chris_n: oh whoops did I just make that public for the first time? 17:46 slef cait: erm :-S 17:46 chris_n legal threat? 17:45 slef I think the problem remains that no-one from PTFS who *is* authorised has talked to the community much. I'd still appreciate formal withdrawal of the last year's legal threat, although I know I'm in a minority. 17:45 cait but I normally use the scripts in koha-dev folder, which is not in git 17:45 cait I did git pull, I want to test a patch for translator scripts 17:44 slef Depends what update you want to do, but git pull? 17:44 * cait hands jwagner some coffee for the donuts 17:43 cait ok, can I interrupt with a newbie question? I have a dev install and want do update the translator files in my koha-dev folder... just copy them from kohaclone or is there a better way? 17:43 * nengard hugs jwagner too 17:43 wizzyrea_laptop afk, executing nap time for kiddo 17:42 brendan wireless is bad here :) 17:42 chris_n wb brendan... again ;-) 17:42 wizzyrea_laptop (share with jdavidb, lol) 17:42 * chris_n hands jwagner a box of chocolate covered donuts 17:41 * wizzyrea_laptop hugs jwagner 17:41 * jwagner hides under the table 17:41 chris_n ditto 17:41 wizzyrea_laptop (we're not mad at you jane) 17:41 jwagner I'll pass that on. 17:41 chris_n what owen said 17:40 chris_n just in the wrong direction 17:40 chris_n changes *are* happening 17:40 owen jwagner: We understand you're caught in the middle of this, but here's our concern: Someone at PTFS had to take action to remove the redirect that pointed http://www.kohails.org/ to http://koha.org 17:40 chris_n jwagner: with all due respect, there is a bit more going on here than meets the eye 17:40 wizzyrea_laptop actually, I think the www.kohails.com change is what really started it 17:40 jwagner I think there's some tone-deafness and some willingness to assume the worst on both sides. Please don't jump to conclusions so rapidly. 17:39 jwagner The web site is on our list, but it can't be near the top. We finally allocated some time for someone to at least open up the press release portion, which appears to be what started this. 17:39 jwagner Folks, with regard to the various PTFS-bashing :-( going on, let me say a couple of things. And remember I'm not authorized to speak to definitive decisions or anything. We just took on over a hundred new customers with a large number of outstanding helpdesk tickets that have to be dealt with first. We also have a whole bunch of new development needs to analyze and work on. 17:39 chris_n heh 17:38 wizzyrea_laptop I wish there were a punctuation mark that was half way between a period and an exclamation point 17:37 slef yes, my link was wrong - sorry about that 17:34 slef bbc.co.uk/radio4 dissecting #leadersdebate 17:34 slef "By a curious coincidence, None at all is exactly how much suspicion the ape-descendant Arthur Dent had that one of his closest friends was not descended from an ape, but was in fact from a small planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse and not from Guildford as he usually claimed." 17:32 slef chris_n: so our challenge is getting a fair hearing for the cooperators 17:32 nengard and look for the most recent open source talk 17:32 nengard http://librarygang.talis.com/ 17:32 nengard ick 17:32 nengard my wifi sucks here - but you can find it here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flibrarygang.talis.com%2F&ei=WNnRS_7BL4q0NsWmvPkN&usg=AFQjCNFIKNLu1XdmLrfbM4tbRHoi0i-FCQ&sig2=A7k7NezAbHzwlQ7DQih8mw 17:32 nengard as i said in the podcast 17:32 chris_n as I've always said, his customers will vote with their money 17:32 nengard looking out for the best interests 17:32 wizzyrea_laptop but they have a foundation too 17:32 slef Haven't we already put HLT in charge? 17:32 nengard someone who has nothing to gain 17:32 wizzyrea_laptop ^^ 17:31 nengard i think it should be a non profit in charge 17:31 wizzyrea_laptop it's like WP and automattic 17:31 slef nengard: I don't think having a company in charge is a problem. I suspect he wants *his* company in charge, which would be awful. 17:31 nengard getting the url in case you all missed it 17:30 nengard in that podcast 17:30 wizzyrea_laptop looks like he's determined to get his way 17:30 chris_n so what's the diff? 17:30 nengard that's what we went back and forth about 17:30 nengard yokley stated that he wants a company to be in charge of governance not the community 17:29 slef There's a bit of HHGTTG about that, isn't there? 17:29 slef as in, not at all 17:29 slef You know how much I love splitting the world into users and vendors 17:28 slef I think having a vendor-free open day is wrong, but I think it probably helps us in that case (we have no spare workers in London at the moment, so it would be a tired slef trekking in from Somerset) 17:27 slef actually no, I said I was in a bad mood 17:27 slef chris_n: I said I was in an odd mood. 17:27 slef http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2010/04/vendors.html 17:26 * chris_n reads slef's shameless self-promotion ;-) 17:25 wizzyrea_laptop insurrection... lol 17:25 slef I have a link nearby 17:25 slef oh yeah, I read something about that recently 17:25 wizzyrea_laptop maybe she has a link at her fingertips 17:25 wizzyrea_laptop it was in that podcast he did with nengard a while back... lemme look 17:24 nengard cause i'm thinking that's the same 17:24 slef wizzyrea_laptop: Where and did it include the letters BOGU? 17:24 nengard owen is it fully-managed koha 17:24 owen :D 17:24 chris_n hehe 17:24 slef Koha 3.2: Insurrection 17:24 wizzyrea_laptop and yokely has stated that koha needs governance 17:24 owen So much for optimism. 17:24 chris_n slef: lol 17:24 chris_n it sure has all the trimmings of a hostile takeover 17:24 slef perhaps we should make a "koha rebellion edition"? ;-) 17:23 slef wizzyrea_laptop: I guessed that, but best make it clear in logs ;-) 17:23 wizzyrea_laptop to owen, not slef 17:23 chris_n I emailed them about that one 17:23 wizzyrea_laptop yea 17:23 slef (as you may have noticed... a marketer would probably have banned me from emailing certain things long ago ;-) ) 17:22 owen I noticed in their latest press release they're not even using "LibLime Enterprise Koha," just "Koha" 17:22 slef As you know, I'm up for a fight and I think the rest of the co-op are too, but we're small fry and have no salesmen or marketers. 17:22 * wizzyrea_laptop sighs 17:21 slef Well, do they? What can we do except junk years of publicity by renaming? 17:21 wizzyrea_laptop I think you mean with koha.org under their control 17:21 owen It certainly appears that PTFS has decided that with LibLime under their control they don't need to please anyone anymore 17:20 chris_n looks like a full-fledged rebellion imho 17:20 wizzyrea_laptop oh wow, this is a full court press isn't it 17:20 chris_n http://www.kohadigitallibrary.com/index.html 17:20 wizzyrea_laptop but LL took kohalibrary.com 17:20 wizzyrea_laptop oh great 17:19 owen http://www.kohails.org/ 17:19 slef chris_n: not the domain I was thinking of, though. www.koha-ptfs.eu 17:19 brendan kohadigitallibrary.org 17:19 wizzyrea_laptop and that 17:19 wizzyrea_laptop we are psychic 17:19 chris_n www.kohails.com 17:19 slef chris_n: how did you know it was ptfs again? 17:18 cait just want to say that people need to know about them :) 17:18 chris_n aamof, the community has been down this road before with ptfs 17:17 chris_n if not, it is in the list archives 17:17 cait I did not know about it for a long time and we had some servers using koha. 17:17 * wizzyrea_laptop goes to look 17:17 chris_n but it is on koha.org... right? 17:17 slef no, which is why I was asking 17:17 wizzyrea_laptop can anyone point me to something I can copy? 17:17 wizzyrea_laptop omg, no it isn't 17:17 cait is the community policy on koha-community.org? 17:17 slef perhaps... I can't remember if we mentioned this one before 17:16 chris_n slef: it is in clear violation of community policy 17:16 owen Perhaps something to bring up at the next community meeting? 17:16 wizzyrea_laptop well, one among several 17:16 wizzyrea_laptop idk, ll was the main objector to that and now they are one and the same so... 17:15 slef oh and do companies using "koha" in their commercial domain name still get dropped from the Paid Support list or not? 17:15 wizzyrea_laptop sure stop by anytime 17:15 CGI481 Have a nice day 17:15 CGI481 I actually have to run and get a friend at the airport, but thank you! 17:15 slef as you feel ;-) 17:15 cait you want us to stop or to encourage? ;) 17:14 slef hi all. I'm having a bad day and I'm tempted to reply to the all your koha.org belong to us email. 17:14 wizzyrea_laptop http://old.nabble.com/z39.50-search-refused-to-connect-to26755632.html#a26755632 17:14 CGI481 SO I will go try and it work both of those out, thank you both for your help! 17:14 CGI481 I also just noticed in the docs that the z3950 daemon must be started, and I can't find that on the server either 17:13 CGI481 :) 17:13 cait this could be the problem 17:12 CGI481 It doesn't look like I have yaz installed on the server 17:12 CGI481 Hmm 17:11 owen I've heard recommendations to try the yaz-client from the command line in this situation but I don't know the details 17:11 wizzyrea_laptop hm 17:09 CGI481 Ok, all firewalls are off and I am not getting any results 17:08 CGI481 Ok, let me disable iptables real quick on the server 17:08 cait ah wizzyrea thx 17:08 wizzyrea_laptop is it behind a firewall? 17:08 wizzyrea_laptop what about the server 17:08 cait ok 17:08 CGI481 Neither on the router, nor the computer accessing Koha 17:08 CGI481 I am not 17:07 cait are you behind a firewall? 17:07 CGI481 I have tried via ISBN and title, and gotten no results 17:07 CGI481 But I have tried searching for Stephen King's book 'Coffey on the Mile' 17:07 CGI481 I have the default servers setup as shown here http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.2/administration/additional-parameters/z39.50-servers 17:06 CGI481 Thank you, OK so 17:06 cait we will try :) 17:06 CGI481 Hi everyone, I'm having problems with Z39.50 searches on my Koha installation, can anyone help? 17:04 * cait is fighting translation bugs with minimal success 17:02 cait chris_n: thx :) it works now 17:01 * chris_n works on setting up a new dual quad-core xeon box 17:01 chris_n Text::CSV::Encoded 17:00 chris_n cait: yes 16:55 cait Can't locate Text/CSV/Encoded.pm is this a missing perl package? 16:50 cait now all export formats are broken, this is not getting better 16:48 cait just tried to export in ris or bibtex to confirm my earlier bug report, got a perl error message :( 16:48 cait uh 16:46 owen Yeah, it might be good to open an "omnibus" translation error bug report 16:46 cait owen: translation really looks better! but still a lot of missing strings. not sure how to get those errormessages together. open a new bug for those template problems? 16:42 cait owen: thx :) 16:41 owen I'm happy to look at other errors you find 16:40 cait owen: testing your patch, still a lot of error messages when updating po files, but po file looks better 16:36 schuster Yes 16:34 owen schuster: Your goal is to make the user choose a specific copy? 16:33 * owen is jquerying... 16:25 schuster or the box would be blank? 16:25 schuster question on the intranet-tmpl - for reserve/request.pl - when placing a hold it defaults to first available with the checkmark - what would I need to change so the librarian would HAVE to put the checkmark there? 16:16 cait hi wizzyrea 16:16 wizzyrea_laptop hey cait 16:03 cait hi #koha 15:11 chris_n schuster: the point is that Koha does not have these features :) 15:10 chris_n bywater_git_hosting++ 15:08 gmcharlt schuster: it's up to people to take up blockers and work on them 15:05 schuster I'm trying to figure out what I can do to help move 3.2 into a BETA stage release. 15:04 schuster Do we need the bug wrangler to get involved? 15:04 schuster Question about 3.2... I see from what I can tell in Bugzilla - there are 16 Blockers, and several of those have patches pushed. 15:02 schuster those are "in development" not necessarily deliverable. 14:58 chris_n wizzyrea_laptop: http://www.liblime.com/news/liblime-and-waldo-announce-the-ramapo-college-library-migration-to-koha 14:08 * wizzyrea_laptop thinks she can guess. 14:07 wizzyrea_laptop chris_n where did you read that? 14:04 brendan heya chris_n 14:04 chris_n heya brendan 14:02 * chris_n tries on several pairs of glasses and still cannot seem to see it that way ;-) 13:55 schuster Depends on where you are seeing that from... :) 13:48 chris_n "Koha includes many customer-commissioned development features, including several highly-anticipated academic library requirements, such as course reserves, expanded acquisition tools, and enhanced searching for music collections." 13:48 chris_n have I missed something? 13:09 ebegin good morning 13:02 hilongo that is.... when the patron belongs to another branch :) 12:56 hilongo does anyone know of a bug that prevents that the system show the name of the patron who has a book on loan with independant branches 'on'?? 12:47 hilongo hello everyone! :) 12:28 kf ok, will start my weekend now :) bye! 12:09 jdavidb More caffeine, like a motion to adjourn, is almost always in order. 12:05 chris_n lol :) 12:04 * jdavidb grumps, and switches back to the other window 12:04 jdavidb ls 12:04 kf chris_n 12:04 jdavidb :D Hi, kf. 12:03 kf hi jdavidb and chrisn 12:02 chris_n g'day #koha 11:57 jdavidb Howdy, #koha. 11:56 kf gmcharlt++ 11:33 kf gmcharlt: sorting through my bugs and mails today - I found another patch that is not in HEAD yet: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-March/005893.html 11:12 kf I will test it later when i'm at home (cant update our installation here) 11:08 gmcharlt not your fault 11:07 kf I tried my best to keep the bug updated, but should have opened another but for the opac-detail problem 11:04 gmcharlt not the most informative of patch descriptions 11:03 kf I added the link to the bug, the patch is from hdl and I tested it with chris 11:03 kf http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-March/005872.html 11:02 kf hi gmcharlt 11:02 gmcharlt kf: which other patches, specifically? 11:00 kf my colleague will not be happy that they are English again in our installation 10:58 kf gmcharlt pushed owens patch, hope he will push the other too 10:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4400 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, BIBTEX export from OPAC results in empty file 10:57 kf ah hi chris, reported as bug 4400 10:57 chris t 10:57 chris i confirm kf, i get a zero byte file when i do a bibtex expor 10:54 kf gmcharlt++ 10:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4208 blocker, P1, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 10:42 kf gmcharlt: thx for pushing my patch :) - can you take a look at the patches for bug 4208? 10:34 kf hi, can someone confirm that bibtex export in head is not working? 09:07 genji profiling, i think its called... 09:06 genji Or are you helping with the developing, finding places where speed is lagging? 09:06 genji do you already have a library you want to move to koha? 09:05 genji question is... what is your goal with load testing? 09:04 juan to compare results 09:03 juan do you used or know any application to do it? we used loadrunner, but we have to test koha with another tools 09:02 genji ooo... cool. 09:02 juan we are testing koha with load applications 09:01 juan Hi community¡¡ 07:50 kf hi Amit_G 07:50 Amit_G heya magnus 07:50 magnus Guten Morgen kf & Amit_G 07:50 Amit_G heya kf 07:50 kf good morning magnus 07:35 magnus g'day #koha 07:14 kf good morning #koha 06:30 cait ok, time for work 05:39 cait hi Amit_g 05:38 Amit_G heya cait 05:37 cait goog morning #koha 03:21 chris hi Amit_G 03:21 Amit_G heya chris 03:21 Amit_G heya lall 02:18 CGI073 hola? 02:09 chris heh 02:07 eythian Surprised they didn't set fire to the place on the way out from the sounds of that. 02:06 CGI805 Have a good night 02:06 chris no worries, good luck 02:06 CGI805 That's great, thank you very much for your help Chris! 02:05 chris nothing fancier than that 02:05 CGI805 Ok 02:04 chris it will just increment a number 02:04 chris in systempreferences 02:04 chris yes, you can turn on autobarcode 02:04 CGI805 Can I make Koha auto-assign barcodes to each incoming record so I can do a batch barcode export? 02:03 CGI805 Oh wow, thats great 02:03 chris and its in 02:03 chris then add your item information 02:03 chris import the record that is right 02:03 CGI805 I guess what I am asking is, how can I get these properties in the system so that they are visible in OPAC and the librarians can check them out 02:03 chris punch in the isbn 02:02 chris choose z3950 search 02:02 chris you go into cataloguing 02:02 CGI805 Or am I going about this the wrong way 02:02 CGI805 Ok - that sounds like we are getting somewhere. My question is - in Koha - what is the fastest,easiest,simplest way to add each book into the catalogue on the fly? 02:02 chris rather than recataloguing 4000 things 02:02 chris then all you need to do is add to it your library information (shelf number, branch, barcode etc) 02:01 chris but the isbn will allow you to get the catalogue record for that book from somewhere like Library of Congress 02:01 CGI805 I get that, but I assume that the barcode that the book leaves the printer with encodes the ISBN? 02:01 chris you certainly dont use it in place of a barcode 02:00 chris the isbn is a unique code publishers assign to a title 02:00 CGI805 If so, I am hesitant to use that because I have been told that there could be collisions between ISBN and other numbering systems 02:00 CGI805 I assume the manufacturer's barcode is ISBN? 02:00 CGI805 But 02:00 mason fools!!! 02:00 CGI805 No 01:59 chris they sharpied out the isbn numbers too? 01:58 chris right 01:58 CGI805 Anyways, so I am now stuck with over 4,000 properties that are not in any sort of DB whatsoever 01:58 CGI805 Haha - we were not too happy with them 01:58 chris did they salt the land too? 01:58 chris wtf? 01:57 CGI805 They were also nice enough to sharpie over all of the book's barcodes 01:57 CGI805 At my library, we took over all of the previous owners' books and properties - which I thought would be OK - until they decided to tear out their ILS system 01:57 chris good enough :P 01:57 chris well MARC as a concept is retarded :) 01:56 CGI805 So 01:56 CGI805 Well, its more of a conceptual question than a library procedure question :P 01:55 chris you are probably better off asking a cataloguer than a developer :) 01:55 chris i might not be able to help, but i can try 01:55 CGI805 Hey everyone, I've got a question regarding cataloging and the MARC format, can someone spare a moment? 01:47 chris you learn something new every day 01:46 chris i didnt know the national library of the philipines ran Koha 01:45 chris hey what the