Time Nick Message 22:39 chris :) 22:37 wizzyrea_laptop anyone can tell you that I have a terrible time with "reply to list" 22:31 chris_n heh 22:31 richard never got going with evolution. had thunderbird on a windows machine and stuck with that for my ubuntu one 22:30 larsw backspace and enter being right next to each other, sometimes I send e-mail with words I would really not have 22:30 larsw I use Evolution for e-mail... it uses control-backspace to delete the word before the cursor, and control-enter to send an email... 22:29 chris_n or worse yet... sending it to the wrong person because auto-complete screwed up 22:28 * chris_n hates pressing 'send' before finishing an email 22:28 chris heh i did that just before too 22:28 richard hi chris_n 22:27 richard cripes, wrong channel 22:27 chris_n heya richard 22:27 richard oops 22:27 richard for lianza 22:27 richard beginning to think i should email the nz-libs email list and say it wasn't katipo who made the new site 22:21 chris_n wiki, wow! 22:06 chris yeah :) 22:04 mib_3xhl0q if i wanted a bit more space between title and subtitle, i would have to know CSS, I guess 22:03 chris no worries 22:02 mib_3xhl0q thank you! 22:01 chris yay! 22:01 mib_3xhl0q it worked! 21:59 mib_3xhl0q sorry for the garbled typing 21:59 mib_3xhl0q just did... noe i jkust have to check the OPAC and see how it lloks? 21:58 mib_3xhl0q just turn it ON, right 21:58 chris fingers crossed :) 21:58 chris yeah, try that 21:58 mib_3xhl0q seems that might be it 21:57 mib_3xhl0q that it? 21:57 mib_3xhl0q XSLTDetailsDisplay 21:56 chris and see if there is one 21:56 mib_3xhl0q i'll take a look right now... 21:56 chris in the opac tab 21:56 chris for 3.0.2 im not sure that exists, take a look in systempreferences 21:56 mib_3xhl0q boy, oh boy 21:55 chris and that should show the full title 21:55 chris its a systempreference 21:55 chris for the opac-detail 21:55 chris ahh in the newer versions i would tell you to turn on the XSLT 21:55 mib_3xhl0q that's the version i'm using 21:51 mib_3xhl0q 3.00.02.012 21:50 mib_3xhl0q let me check... 21:49 chris what version of koha? 21:46 mib_3xhl0q How can I make sure the rest of the title appears? 21:46 mib_3xhl0q but in the OPAC the title appears as only: North Star. 21:46 mib_3xhl0q i've cataloged a title: 245 a$ North Star. p$ Reading and writing. 21:45 mib_3xhl0q i have a question 21:45 mib_3xhl0q hello, all 21:37 larsw I confirm what chris said 21:37 cait I really want to believe you :) good night! 21:37 chris you'll get faster, everyone starts slow 21:36 cait it takes me forever to fix such small things :( 21:36 chris sleep well 21:36 chris :) 21:36 cait will wait till tomorrow, to tired now 21:35 chris don't see it yet 21:34 cait not sure my git-email worked 21:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4399 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de, NEW, Untranslated link 'Export selected items data' in claims.tmpl 21:34 cait I just send a patch for bug 4399 21:34 cait :) 21:33 chris yeah 21:33 cait there is a patch for the first bug (submit buttons), but its not in head yet. I think you added the patch locally. 21:33 chris ill chat to gmcharlt about that 21:33 chris so then its probably just because the fix has not been pushed up 21:33 chris ahh 21:33 cait no thats another bug, got confuing because I added another problem to the bug (which turned out to be not related) 21:32 chris cait: looks like owen is busy fixing that 21:06 munin cait: translation has neutral karma. 21:06 cait @karma translation 21:05 cait chris: I forgot that updating my po files will kill the translated submit buttons :( 20:58 brendan kohacon++ 20:54 chris heya cait and richard 20:54 cait hi chris 20:52 richard :) 20:52 chris heh 20:52 * chris 20:52 richard hi 20:42 * chris is happy to see the arabic guys discussing zebra on the koha-community.org site ... that's how it should be 20:21 munin cait: The operation succeeded. 20:21 cait @later tell owen can add subscriptions now - thx! 20:17 cait owen++ 20:17 owen I'll have to quit while I'm ahead. Time to go! 20:16 redmr When i add the tag to the extended content, what links actually get the associates id added? 20:16 cait owen: you are great 20:15 owen cait: You can still go to admin/systempreferences.pl to get the old version 20:15 redmr i set i the associates id in my "More searches" anchor link. works fine. When I get the book covers, should those have my &tag=xxxxxxxxx in them as well? 20:14 cait its seems to be missing in the new syspref editor 20:11 cait oh, thats a good idea 20:11 owen cait: You can try manually rolling back your Koha version number in system preferences to trigger an updatedateabase 20:08 cait http://spedr.com/223cd bad timing perhaps 20:08 owen cait: sounds like you missed a database update somewhere along the way 20:06 cait am i magnetic to bugs today? 20:06 cait there is only startdate and firstacqdate in my subscriptions table... 20:05 owen "unknown column" makes it sound like there is a problem with your database structure, but I'm not really sure 20:04 cait owen: I had no subscriptions before, perhaps this could be a problem? can you take a look at the 2 first error messages in my secons pastebin link? 20:03 owen cait: I'm not positive I added an end date 20:01 cait owen: you can add subscriptions without problems? have you set and end date? 19:53 cait ah, I missed the important error messages in pastebin: http://pastebin.com/3sGbekgY 19:50 nengard be back later 19:50 wizzyrea_laptop gl :) 19:50 nengard k - session over -time to move 19:50 wizzyrea_laptop yep, I'll update it tomorrow (must remember to schedule that...) 19:49 nengard then documentation will be pushed and i thnk that means it will be up to date on the web tomorrow 19:49 nengard good 19:48 wizzyrea_laptop id 19:48 wizzyrea_laptop yes, indeed that does give you an amazon assoc d 19:46 cait I have some error messages in the koha-error.log http://pastebin.com/mCMyFxxC 19:46 nengard i have an account already :) so I can't 19:46 wizzyrea_laptop i'm about to find out 19:46 nengard will that give you an id? 19:45 wizzyrea_laptop giant "join now for free" button 19:45 nengard so what i need to know is if when you sign up do you get an id then 19:45 wizzyrea_laptop may be a better one 19:45 wizzyrea_laptop https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/ 19:45 nengard or if you're not logged in 19:45 nengard yeah - that i know - but if you don't have an account first that link won't work 19:45 wizzyrea_laptop it's apparently not on the AWS site 19:44 wizzyrea_laptop nengard: what we need is a link to somewhere you can sign up for an amazon assoc id 19:44 cait when I search for subscriptions there are none 19:44 cait I filled out everything, tested my prediction pattern, no irregularities and saved. 19:44 cait the field labels show, but no content 19:43 cait no, I get the summary page but its empty 19:43 owen cait: I was able to save a new subscription. Are you getting an error? 19:40 nengard I already have an account 19:40 nengard has anyone signed up recently? do you know if you create a key when you create an account? 19:40 cait can someone try and add a subscription in current head? 19:40 nengard if i click that link it takes me to the login 19:40 nengard regarding the amazon thing 19:40 nengard wizzyrea 19:38 cait oh my, to fix the translation bug in claims I need a missing issue - but not able to save a subscription? 19:38 * chris_n stands very much corrected on Koha being a CMS :-\ 19:36 owen mib_7fjw2v: You should also be able to reach http:// [your koha URL ]/intranet-tmpl/prog/es/lib/calendar/calendar.js 19:35 owen Any luck mib_7fjw2v ? 19:33 cait owen: got the file, thx :) 19:32 cait kf: nice! will try 19:31 owen cait I just emailed you the updated opac-detail.tmpl if you want to give it a try 19:31 cait I use git pull for updating my installation, but need to learn more about how to work with branches and updating them 19:30 cait yes 19:29 owen Are you testing on HEAD cait? 19:28 cait owen: I dont know how to apply patches to my installation (my git knowledge is very limited) but will test as soon as I find out or when its available in git 19:27 mib_7fjw2v yes: the code is es 19:27 ebegin s/though/thought 19:27 ebegin wizzyrea_laptop, I should have though of this :) 19:27 wizzyrea_laptop I think es is the code for español 19:26 ebegin make sure you have the file <kohainstalldir>/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/<SPANISH LANGAUGE CODE>/includes/calendar.inc 19:26 owen cait: It was a pretty simple fix (assuming it works for you and for Syndetics users) 19:25 mib_7fjw2v the firefoxs error says: calendar is not defined 19:25 ebegin what is spanish language code? sp? 19:25 cait owen: you are fast :) 19:24 owen mib_7fjw2v: Were you able to pull up Firefox's error console? 19:24 mib_7fjw2v does that matter? 19:23 ebegin ok :) 19:23 ebegin English language? 19:23 mib_7fjw2v another thing, my sistem is set on spanish 19:21 mib_7fjw2v well, everything seemed to be working with java 19:21 ebegin yes, that would be my guess 19:20 mib_7fjw2v becouse thats what i was thinking 19:19 mib_7fjw2v you think is a problem with java? 19:19 ebegin mib_7fjw2v, which language? are java scripts reachable? 19:19 mib_7fjw2v my koha version is 3.02 and my browser is mozilla firefox 19:18 ebegin mib_7fjw2v in Firefox, you can open the Java Console, you will probably have some info there when trying to display the calendar. (Tools » Java Console) 19:15 mib_7fjw2v both 19:15 owen What version of Koha? What browser? 19:15 cait the calendar page in tools or the calendar to set dates? 19:14 mib_7fjw2v any sugestion? 19:14 mib_7fjw2v i's like to know why my koha doesn't display the calendar 19:14 mib_7fjw2v good 19:14 owen providing help 19:13 mib_7fjw2v looking for help 19:13 cait we dont have a SyndeticsClientCode, not sure there are German libraries using Syndetics 19:13 mib_7fjw2v hi 19:12 jdavidb yes, please.. I'll pass it along on this end, see if DLB knows anything. 19:11 cait thx for your help owen 19:11 owen CC you or jwagner on the bug jdavidb? 19:09 owen I could create a patch, but I can't test since I don't have a SyndeticsClientCode 19:08 jdavidb I don't know from experience, but intuitively, normally only one would be, I would think. I don't know if that causes issues at Syndetics. 19:08 owen If that was the case we could take the TMPL_IFs out from inside the <img> tag and make the translator happy 19:07 owen Actually I guess I can't assume that from the code, but I wonder if it's a problem if the URL contains an empty parameter: &upc=&oclc=[some number] 19:06 owen I'm assuming only one would be populated? 19:06 owen Do you know if there is a reason why it couldn't send both &upc=&oclc= ? 19:05 owen <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="normalized_upc" -->&upc=<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="normalized_upc" --><!-- /TMPL_IF --><!-- TMPL_IF NAME="normalized_oclc" -->&oclc=<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="normalized_oclc" --><!-- /TMPL_IF --> 19:05 owen The Syndetics cover markup in the template: 19:04 jdavidb A teeny little bit, yeah. David Birmingham has spent more time on it than I have. 19:04 owen Anyone around who has worked with this Syndetics code? jdavidb? 19:03 cait I have another small bug in serials where a link is not translated, will try to solve that 19:00 cait :) 19:00 cait translator: (too confused to show details) 18:59 owen It's no wonder the translator is choking on it 18:58 owen Oh man all the TMPL_IFs in that Syndetics code is making my eyes hurt! 18:50 cait I thought updating the po files would help, it did solve my other problem with serials in intranet yesterday 18:49 cait opac-detail is very important in opac, submit buttons too 18:49 owen If translations don't work, I would think so 18:48 cait is it ok to change that bug to blocker? 18:47 cait should have opened a new bug... 18:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4208 critical, P1, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 18:47 cait bug 4208 18:46 cait I just updated the bug 18:46 owen Like what cait? 18:41 cait hmpf opac-detail has some serious translation problems :( 17:50 * chris_n did not realize that you could hack Koha into a CMS 17:31 cait :) 17:31 * owen cheers for some statistics numbers that actually add up! 17:22 cait hi #koha 16:30 CGI729 what could it be? 16:30 CGI729 well took a look on that tread, still not very helpfull, it's an unresolved problem 16:22 CGI729 reading 16:22 CGI729 sure 16:22 wizzyrea_laptop and that one really should be a faq 16:22 wizzyrea_laptop yea, I'd look at the 2nd link instead, I think it's probably more relevant 16:21 CGI729 090? thats confusing 16:21 CGI729 ok 16:20 wizzyrea_laptop maybe better, actually 16:20 wizzyrea_laptop http://old.nabble.com/Koha-to-MARC-links-issue-to20470191.html#a20470191 16:20 wizzyrea_laptop here's another one 16:19 wizzyrea_laptop it's not exactly your fields 16:19 wizzyrea_laptop or the theories therein 16:19 CGI729 reading 16:18 wizzyrea_laptop http://old.nabble.com/MARC-Check-to11247444.html#a11247444 16:18 wizzyrea_laptop this thread from the mailing list archives may help 16:16 wizzyrea_laptop we aim to please :) 16:16 CGI729 you rock! 16:14 wizzyrea_laptop let me look though :) 16:14 wizzyrea_laptop hmm. That one I don't have a fast answer for you for. 16:12 CGI729 documentation i found didn't help much 16:12 CGI729 what is the reason to that error 16:11 CGI729 i have biblio.biblionumber on 999 $c and biblioitems.biblioitemsnumber on 999 $d 16:11 CGI729 another question: i run the framework test and this is what i got: The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber > fields be mapped to a MARC subfield 16:08 CGI729 ok 16:07 wizzyrea_laptop *zebra, I mean 16:07 wizzyrea_laptop so make sure your indexes are running 16:07 wizzyrea_laptop indexing in general is a trip up point 16:07 wizzyrea_laptop http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#16 16:07 wizzyrea_laptop especially entry 3 16:06 wizzyrea_laptop you might try some of the tips here: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 16:06 wizzyrea_laptop goole SEO fu? 16:06 CGI729 queston: why my opac doesn't display my records? :-( 16:06 wizzyrea_laptop anybody have fabulous google fu? 16:05 collum Oy! 16:04 ebegin owen : That what I though too ;) 16:04 wizzyrea_laptop eek yea 16:04 owen PTFS is not making any friends this week. 16:03 owen If it did, then PTFS has decided to change it now that LibLime is not hounding them to do so 16:03 wizzyrea_laptop it did 16:03 owen ebegin: I thought that used to redirect to koha.org 16:02 CGI729 yeah! since we're working on a guberment institution, it's a little hard to change things, so we'd like to resolve the errors in our current installation 16:02 wizzyrea_laptop oh lord 16:02 ebegin Anybody tried KohaILS.com ? :) 16:02 owen koha.org strikes again 16:01 wizzyrea_laptop :) 16:01 wizzyrea_laptop but you can go ahead with your questions 16:01 CGI729 oh well 16:01 wizzyrea_laptop (that's the official, up to date site) 16:00 wizzyrea_laptop http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 16:00 wizzyrea_laptop any particular reason you did 3.0.2 instead of 3.0.5? Lots of bugfixes in 3.0.5 15:59 CGI729 we have just installed koha 3.0.2 and there are some doubts we'd like to answer 15:59 wizzyrea_laptop hi :) 15:59 wizzyrea_laptop chris_n: if you like eating bits, then this is the place. Mostly help though. :) 15:58 CGI729 great, well let me introdu my sel; im eduardo mori, libraryan for the ministry of labour and emplyment promotion of peru 15:57 chris_n lunch or help ;-) 15:56 wizzyrea_laptop this is the place to find it 15:56 chris_n lunch 15:56 CGI729 hi, im looking for some help with my koha installation 15:49 ebegin hello! 15:49 wizzyrea_laptop hello 15:48 CGI729 hola 15:37 wizzyrea_laptop ^^ 15:36 owen That would do it 15:36 CGI537 It's in house at the moment, I think you might be on to something with the ISBNs though, the marc load seems to have screwed up the tag mappings and the ISBN on most of the records aren't in the 020, strange!! 15:34 wizzyrea_laptop do you ahve a link to your catalog? 15:30 CGI537 ISBNs? I hope so!! There are all full USMarc records from certified sources, the marc view shows them but the display in Koha doesn't,. would that be it? 15:29 wizzyrea_laptop if your bibs have ISBN's they should work 15:29 wizzyrea_laptop as for why you're not getting images: do your records have ISBN's? 15:29 CGI537 Should the book jackets work though? 15:29 wizzyrea_laptop with that version (amazon changed their setup) 15:29 wizzyrea_laptop Ah, yes. I know related items and reviews won't work 15:27 CGI537 3.0004019 is the version 15:27 CGI537 to register for one, that is 15:27 CGI537 I think so, the only one that is bothering me a little is the AmazonAssocTag, in the SysPrefs the description feild says go to aws.amazon.com but I had to go the affiliate site instead 15:25 wizzyrea_laptop and do you have all of your keys put in correctly? 15:25 wizzyrea_laptop what version? 15:25 CGI537 does anyone think this is relatde to the Amazon problem or a suprious error? 15:24 CGI537 Hello. I just enabled AmazonBook covers in my Koha and no images appear, the log show the following: opac-search.pl: Illegal Date '10/10/1997' does not match 'iso' format: yyyy-mm-dd at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 1528 15:14 wizzyrea_laptop oh this is great http://everytimezone.com/ 14:54 jdavidb You could do that. a WHERE this OR that should work. 14:54 jdavidb *nod* should be able to still use it: WHERE CONCAT(items.ccode,deleteditems.ccode) NOT IN ('codes','you','want','to','exclude'), for example, 14:54 owen Should I just be adding a WHERE for items and deleteditems? 14:53 owen (nice CONCAT trick though!) 14:53 owen jdavidb: What I want to do is *limit* by ccode 14:52 jdavidb One or the other will be NULL, so you'll get the other. 14:52 jdavidb how about CONCAT (items.ccode,deleteditems.ccode) as 'ccode' 14:52 owen I don't think I asked that correctly 14:52 owen jdavidb: Hang on 14:51 jdavidb Hm...got an idea.. 'sec. 14:51 wizzyrea_laptop k 14:51 owen Given that query, how I do get the ccode? It might be coming from items or deleteditems 14:51 nengard live blogging a conference - email me whatever it is i'm supposed to do/read 14:50 owen AND YEAR( statistics.datetime ) =2009 14:50 owen WHERE MONTH( statistics.datetime ) =1 14:50 owen LEFT JOIN deleteditems ON ( deleteditems.itemnumber = statistics.itemnumber ) 14:50 owen LEFT JOIN items ON ( items.itemnumber = statistics.itemnumber ) 14:50 owen FROM statistics 14:50 owen SELECT count( statistics.itemnumber ) 14:50 jdavidb Sure. :) 14:50 owen jdavidb: Can I ask you another sql question? 14:50 wizzyrea_laptop :) we'll note it to nengard that it's not in the docs. 14:49 CGI684 Ah, no mention of that in any of the Koha docs, its referred to as something completly different...thanks.....I am setting one up now! 14:48 wizzyrea_laptop googling "amazon assoc tag" 14:48 wizzyrea_laptop I found it here: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=636 14:46 wizzyrea_laptop does this help? 14:46 wizzyrea_laptop http://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/join 14:46 CGI684 Does anyone here know how to generate a AmazonAssocTag? I have been searching the aws.amazon page for ages and can't figure it out? 14:36 Sharon no, never got a sample of it showing up, either 14:34 wizzyrea_laptop (so am I, but I'm rude, so I'll stay put :P) 14:33 wizzyrea_laptop she's at a meeting today owen, she'll be in and out 14:30 owen Hi Sharon, did you get your "Consigned" answer yesterday? 14:20 owen jdavidb: I'm actually planning to work with a database that pulls just the issues & renewals out for statistics queries. 14:12 gmcharlt paul_p: git log --pretty=one-line branchA...branchB can help 14:09 jdavidb (if that's what you're trying to count, anyway.) 14:08 jdavidb There's a lot of other hoopla in statistics, though; narrowing things down a little may help. Might add a WHERE type="issue", for instance. 14:06 jdavidb owen: Bingo. 14:06 owen jdavidb: 1161! 14:06 jdavidb paul_p: I think there's a variation on git diff that does that. I think I might have used it once. 14:04 paul_p git question : is there a way to check between 2 branches patches that are not applied on the other branch ? 14:04 jdavidb (flunking both JOINs, so to speak) 14:03 jdavidb Separately count the ones in statistics that have (somehow) fallen out of *both* tables? Same query, only WHERE deleteditems.itemnumber IS NULL AND items.itemnumber IS NULL ? 14:02 sekjal can't find any itemnumber that's in both tables 14:02 * jdavidb doesn't consider 1161 difference "sight" in populations of less than a half-million. 14:01 sekjal owen: nope, your items and deleteditems are disjoint 14:01 jdavidb :-O 14:01 owen jdavidb: That explains one of the 1161 difference 14:00 sekjal owen: running some tests now... 13:59 jdavidb One way that could happen, owen, is if the itemnumber appeared in both items and deleteditems. It *shouldn't*, I know, but... 13:57 kf post office opening times force me to leave now - bye all :) 13:57 owen ...but that gives me a slightly different count than two separate queries, one of items and one of deleteditems 13:56 owen AND YEAR( statistics.datetime ) =2009 13:56 owen WHERE MONTH( statistics.datetime ) =1 13:56 owen LEFT JOIN deleteditems ON ( deleteditems.itemnumber = statistics.itemnumber ) 13:56 owen LEFT JOIN items ON ( items.itemnumber = statistics.itemnumber ) 13:56 owen FROM statistics 13:56 owen SELECT count( statistics.itemnumber ) 13:56 owen I tried this: 13:56 owen I get confused by multiple LEFT JOINs. 13:54 kf biblibre++ 13:54 gmcharlt jdavidb: and it's even worse when you add Cartesian philosphy to the SQL mix 13:53 * jdavidb found that working for a fairly Fundamentalist Christian university for a while warps you in all sorts of interesting ways. 13:52 * jwagner wasn't going to comment on jdavidb's abilities.... 13:52 owen That would make me the Ward Cleaver of SQL I guess :| 13:51 jdavidb When doing perverted JOINs like that, it helps to have a twisted mind. 13:50 jwagner Of course, jdavidb gets the credit for the SQL magic :-) 13:47 jwagner Look at the part after the itemcallnumber limit 13:47 jwagner SELECT items.barcode, items.homebranch AS 'branch', items.itemcallnumber, biblio.title, items.issues as 'Total # Checkouts' FROM items LEFT JOIN biblio on (items.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber) LEFT JOIN old_issues on (items.itemnumber = old_issues.itemnumber) WHERE items.itype != 'REF' AND items.itemcallnumber LIKE 'OV%' AND items.homebranch = 'M' AND ( (items.issues <= '3' OR items.issues IS NULL) OR date(old_issues.issuedate) NOT BETWEEN '2004-01-01' A 13:47 jwagner owen, I've been working on a weeding report for one site that might give you some pointers. See if maybe you can adapt this: 13:44 owen Is there some kind of JOIN magic I should be using? 13:42 owen Can I create a single query which includes deleteditems without doing "OR (statistics.itemnumber = delteditems.itemnumber)"... which seems very inefficient 13:41 owen ...but this won't count circs for items which have been deleted 13:41 owen SELECT COUNT(statistics.itemnumber) as count FROM items,statistics WHERE statistics.itemnumber= items.itemnumber AND items.ccode = 'AF' AND statistics.branch='APL' AND MONTH(datetime) = 1 AND YEAR(datetime) = 2009 AND (statistics.type = 'issue' OR statistics.type = 'renew') 13:41 owen SQL gurus I throw myself at your feet. I'm querying the statistics table to get a count of circs by ccode and by branch for a given month: 13:31 chris_n paul_p: not not true ;-) 13:31 gmcharlt I am not in complete disagreement with you, chris_n 13:31 paul_p chris_n, it's not Perl specific ;-) 13:30 chris_n better to avoid it when at all possible 13:30 * chris_n seems to recall something about negative logic in Perl Best Practices 13:30 paul_p gmcharlt, you're right, but I spend half a day understanding what was happening on my setup, so i'm a little bit bored & maybe a little but too much, you're right 13:30 owen gmcharlt++ 13:30 chris_n gmcharlt++ 13:30 magnus thanks for telling us, paul_p! ;-) 13:30 gmcharlt wouldn't be a bad idea for us to rename the "negative" sysprefs to avoid double-negative confusion 13:30 jwagner Congrats! 13:29 magnus biblibre++ 13:29 chris_n biblibre++ 13:29 paul_p ok, because of channel request I tell : Lyon3 university is live since 1 week, things seems, it's the 1st french university with a OS-ILS. We should announce that publicly in a few days, pls keep it for yourself 13:29 gmcharlt paul_p: little harsh to decrement him, but at any rate, I've been pushing patches to fix those where they appear 13:28 chris_n ouch 13:27 paul_p hidelostitem = 1 = don't show lost items :((( 13:26 paul_p no: "Don't show" 13:26 paul_p yes: Show 13:26 paul_p choices: 13:26 paul_p - pref: hidelostitems 13:26 paul_p for example : 13:26 paul_p there are a lot of sysprefs that are reversed in the .pref files 13:26 paul_p jesse-- 13:24 kf allergies-- 13:24 munin magnus: Karma for "random_karma_parties" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 13:24 magnus @karma random_karma_parties 13:23 magnus perhaps we could bug paul_p or nicomo_laptop or someone to tell us! 13:22 collum random_karma_parties++ 13:22 * kf is curious too 13:22 magnus puffindogs++ 13:22 magnus aww, we want to know it too! :-) 13:22 owen mangoes++ ! 13:21 owen Good news is good news. Otherwise I was going to declare a random karma party 13:21 gmcharlt owen: good news, but I"m being mysterious for now :) their good news to tell 13:20 magnus kf: quite similar to yours, i guess ;-) 13:20 owen gmcharlt: What prompted that? 13:20 jwagner OK, let me look at those examples some. Thanks. 13:19 magnus thanks 13:19 kf magnus: nice screenshot ;) 13:17 chris_n http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-11-25#i_348004 13:17 jwagner Yes, I'm looking at the wiki page, but I think chris_n's examples were more detailed. Am searching the IRC logs now. Thanks. 13:17 kf cant use it... wrong mysql version here :( 13:17 chris_n jwagner: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-01-26#i_378258 13:17 kf jwagner: I think there is something about Extract Value on the reports page in the wiki too 13:16 gmcharlt biblibre++ 13:15 chris_n most of the references to it are in the irc logs and maybe an email or two 13:15 chris_n hmm... I don't remember the screen shots 13:15 jwagner Are those still up anywhere? 13:14 * chris_n confesses to it 13:14 jwagner You had some screenshots, I think. 13:14 jwagner You were the one who was doing some report work with ExtractValue & the XML stuff, right? I thought I had kept the messages etc., but I can't find them. 13:14 chris_n mostly ;) 13:13 chris_n yup 13:13 jwagner chris_n, still online? 13:04 jwagner There was a reference in one of the earthquake messages to "the SirsiDynix fault" 13:03 collum The patch for Icelandic volcanoes was promised in the Horizon 8.0 release. 13:01 jwagner Sirsi staff joined in this morning too :-) 13:01 jwagner This of course spiraled into a discussion of how everything was Sirsi's fault! Earthquakes, Icelandic volcanoes, McAfee software debacles, etc. 13:00 jwagner "Could the recent upgrade possibly have anything to do with our loss of phone service?" 13:00 jwagner By the way, I'm still chuckling over some traffic on the Unicorn admin listserv yesterday. One of the admins passed on a question from one of his staff, for the entertainment value: 13:00 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0�C (2:50 PM CEST on April 22, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 13:00 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 13:00 magnus wunder bodo, norway 12:59 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 9.8�C (8:59 AM EDT on April 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). Dense fog advisory in effect until 9 am EDT this morning... 12:59 jwagner @wunder 20740 12:59 munin collum: The current temperature in WXGR.NET, Grand Rapids, Michigan is 5.4�C (8:59 AM EDT on April 22, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising). Freeze warning in effect until 9 am EDT this morning... 12:59 collum @wunder 49503 12:58 nengard hello paul_p 12:58 paul_p while ppl of the far north say : "you cry twice in Nord-Pas de Calais : when you arrive, and when you leave" (when you arrive, because it's a cold/awful/... place, when you leave, because ppl have in their hart the heat you don't get outside) 12:57 jwagner I'm going to have to visit that part of France someday. The furthest south I got when I was there was the Loire valley. 12:56 paul_p jwagner, in Marseille, we say : "there are 2 kind of french ppl : those living in Marseille, and those dreaming of living in Marseille" :D :D 12:56 jwagner Washington DC in springtime is pretty nice too! 12:56 paul_p jwagner, yes ;-) 12:56 jwagner paul_p, trying to make us jealous? 12:56 owen Hi paul_p 12:55 paul_p hello US ppl 12:55 * paul_p look at the opened window, with birds singing, and think Marseille is really a nice place to live ! 12:54 nengard and the electrical - which we upgraded to handle our very gadget heavy lifestyle 12:54 nengard in the new house it's the plumbing 12:54 nengard so no matter what we have issues 12:54 nengard our problem is that most of the houses we can afford in eastern PA are 50+ years old 12:53 nengard ahhh 12:53 jwagner Law of averages catching up with me, I think. My last two houses never had any major problems. 12:53 nengard we got out of there pretty quick 12:53 nengard jwagner that sounds like our old house 12:53 munin owen: Error: "munin" is not a valid command. 12:53 owen @munin whereis nengard 12:53 jwagner nengard, considering all the major home disasters I've had since I bought the place, I think I hit the lottery on this one. 12:53 nengard but i'm sure its cold out there 12:52 nengard not sure what the zip is here ... and don't feel like looking it up 12:52 owen Still nice and cool in the mornings here 12:52 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 10.6�C (8:46 AM EDT on April 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Falling). 12:52 owen @wunder 45701 12:52 nengard well that is lucky 12:52 jwagner Turned on the AC then, and, wow, no cold air! 12:51 jwagner Yes, and unless we get another week of 93 degree weather like we had 3 weeks ago, I can wait until the part is ordered to get it fixed. 12:51 * chris_n bets jwagner is glad it is not the middle of the summer 12:51 * owen is glad the good news balances out the bad in this case 12:51 jwagner The bad news is that my air conditioning compressor is completely failed. The good news is that the unit is under warranty for precisely ...one more month... I finally got a break on a major home repair! 12:50 owen Uh oh 12:50 * jwagner just got good news and bad news 12:50 nengard so i hope my battery holds out for blogging purposes 12:50 nengard and we're here for 2 hours i think 12:50 nengard just no power in this room :( 12:50 nengard wifi 12:50 nengard awesome wfi 12:49 nengard everything else is a-ok 12:49 owen It's remarkable how badly-planned a tech conference can be. Maybe because none of the techs want anything to do with planning it? 12:48 nengard crazy talk at a tech conference 12:48 nengard and no power strips in the conference room!!! 12:48 nengard yep 12:46 owen Hi nengard. Evergreen conference today? 12:44 kf me too 12:43 kf ah 12:43 kf yes, but it uses the highest number in the database 12:43 magnus sorry owen, i was thinking of the functionality to add say 50 items in one fell swoop 12:42 owen The auto-increment syspref automatically populates the add item screen with an incremented barcode doesn't it? 12:42 kf I think the auto-increment syspref is for generating barcodes in general, so its not really related to the duplicate add feature, perhaps should be another syspref 12:42 owen ...and there is no guarantee that the next physical barcode the cataloger chooses will be +1 from the last barcode used 12:41 owen We use a different set of barcodes for each library 12:40 kf perhaps when you have more than one cataloger, you split your barcode sheets between them, so it does not imcrement from the highest barcode in the database but from the onr you entered? 12:40 owen ...which assumes you're adding a series of items from the same batch of barcodes 12:40 owen The pre-populated form increments the barcode you entered in the first form. 12:39 kf where the barcodes are incrementing 12:39 owen So you have to enter the barcode the first time, but I question whether the pre-populated form should contain an auto-incremented barcode when you have that preference turned off 12:39 kf I think this feature is for cataloging more than one item at once with preprinted barcodes 12:38 owen The "Add & Duplicate" button adds the item you've just entered and then pre-populates the add item form again with the same values 12:37 magnus owen: would probably be better if it left the barcodes blank? But then again - why enter a barcode for an item you want to duplicate? 12:31 owen Interesting... The "Add & Duplicate" function auto-increments the barcode even if autoBarcode is off 12:15 kf another bug candidate: scan index in advanced search can not display umlauts and ß - is this because of indexing (with icu reducing ü to u?) and does not work with hebrew 12:13 kf :) 12:11 * jdavidb sometimes can't see the trees, either, for all the bizarre, mutated little weeds that have grown up in the way. 12:11 kf :) 12:11 jdavidb We say that here, too. :) 12:10 kf there is a saying in German about not seeing the forrest because of all the trees... 12:08 * jdavidb wishes he had a "not strange things" list somewhere. 12:07 kf working on my list "strange things" today 12:04 kf hope its understandable 12:04 chris cool 12:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4396 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, item level itypes not working correctly when 942c itype is not for loan 12:03 kf Bug 4396 11:55 kf will do 11:55 kf near to always would be my guess :) 11:55 chris thats one that needs to be fixed before release 11:55 chris if you file the bug, mark it blocker 11:54 chris every once in a while i am :) 11:54 kf perhaps I can define a better default value, an item type that is for loan 11:53 kf you are right 11:52 chris well not being set at all wouldnt fix the bug, if its not respecting the syspref its just going to use a blank itemtype instead 11:51 kf but perhaps it should not be set at all, when using item-level_itypes? 11:51 kf just want to make sure, I write on the bug report right now 11:50 chris right in that case it shouldnt 11:50 kf my syspref is set to specific item (item-level_itypes on) 11:49 chris well it should look at 942c if thats what the systempref says to look at 11:49 kf which is a not for loan itype... although the items are for loan 11:49 kf it seems it gets set to the first entry in the pull down 11:49 jwagner_brb kf, somewhere in the code, and I hope to hunt it down with heavy weapons, things still look at the 942c item type instead of the item-level item type. If it's not correct, bad things happen. 11:49 kf not its a pulldown 11:49 kf want to report a bug 11:49 chris so its blank? 11:49 kf im just not sure if there is a configuraton problem too 11:48 chris right 11:48 kf we use item level itypes and so we dont set it 11:48 jwagner_brb Hi kf and chris and chris_n -- am waiting for a repairman to show up so I may get called away any minute. 11:48 chris thats the only place i know of that 942 is populated 11:48 kf yes, but it should not use it? 11:47 chris you choose itemtype there 11:47 chris kf i think its in the marc editor 11:47 chris_n kf: sorry, I'm not sure 11:46 kf does someone know how 942 is populated? I see problems where 942 is a different item type than the items (using item level itpyes) (942 is not for loan, item type is for loan, opac says: not for loan...) 11:46 kf hi jwagner 11:46 kf good morning chris_n 11:37 chris_n g'morning #koha 11:30 kf does someone know how 942 is populated? I see problems where 942 is a different item type than the items (using item level itpyes) 09:04 chris excellent 09:02 kf chris: yes :) And we updated our installation from pootle today and serials work fine now 09:00 chris kf: i forget, did the overwrite work? 08:24 kf I agree 08:24 chris still have to release when the bugs are fixed 08:23 chris but we can stick to as schedule for feature freeze 08:23 chris yep, within reason 08:23 kf I think we should try to stick to a schedule with releases, so its a bit easier to plan for things. 08:12 chris yikes that error of Ekels' looked nasty 08:12 magnus you have our support, chris... ;-) 08:12 chris heh 08:11 kf short_release_cycles++ 08:09 genji what else haven't i increased in ages.. 08:08 genji hlt++ 08:08 genji chris++ 08:04 munin magnus: Karma for "short_release_cycles" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 08:04 magnus @karma short_release_cycles 08:02 paul_p chris, short_release_cycles++ 07:59 Ekel hi, may i ask if u have experience getting this error with 3.0.0.4: *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/perl: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x000000000395e4a0 *** 07:59 chris magnus: yeah, was a fairly clear indication they still don't get it 07:59 magnus short_release_cycles++ 07:58 chris id rather go for short release cycles 07:58 chris if we try for 4.0 it will take too long 07:58 chris aiming for 6 months 07:57 chris and i hope to have a short release cycle 07:57 chris but its going to be much faster/tidier 07:57 chris its not going to have major new features 07:57 chris paul_p: well no, it will be 3.4 07:56 kf yes 07:47 magnus wow, ptfs makes a move and slips... 07:14 paul_p chris: my feeling is that it won't be called 3.4, but 4.0 ! 07:14 chris ok gotta put the kids to bed bbab 07:14 chris speed 07:14 chris yes, thats the major plan for 3.4 07:13 paul_p chris, another goal is to do some load tests of koha 3.2, find & solve as many perf limits as possible. Because there are a lot of optimisations that can be done. 07:13 chris sorry with the opac 07:13 chris i had nginx and fastcgi going with perl 07:12 chris nginx to serve the static content and proxy to dancer 07:12 paul_p chris: in 2 weeks (may 3-7), everynoe at BibLibre has a "coderun". We try to have 2 every year, where everybody is in the same physical place. One of our goal for this meeting is to try some nice new technologies we could use for Koha (like dancer, plack, mojo, catalyst, CGI::Fast, DBIx::Class,...) 07:12 chris is a dancer app, with nginx in front 07:12 chris what might be nice 07:10 chris *nod* 07:10 paul_p (what's nice with dancer is that it is compatible with TT) 07:10 chris and have a go at writng it 07:10 chris so with dancer, id pick somethign we would like a nice restful interface for 07:09 chris my answer to most of those things is, do a prototype and see how it works 07:09 paul_p chris, yep, ils-di with dancer would be easier. 07:09 paul_p same thing for http://plackperl.org/ too 07:09 chris in it pretty easily 07:09 chris i think you could write somethng like ils-di 07:09 paul_p some ppl at BibLibre thinks it could be a good tool to use in Koha. 07:09 chris hiya kf 07:08 kf hi paul_p and chris 07:08 chris ive never tested it out 07:08 chris only briefly 07:08 chris the framework? 07:08 paul_p hi kf 07:08 paul_p http://www.perldancer.org/ 07:08 kf good morning 07:07 paul_p do you know dancer ? 07:07 paul_p chris, some available for some technical discussion ? 06:49 chris ah yeah, that was an interesting start to the day 06:49 chris we had an interestng day 06:49 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3611879/Power-returns-to-Wellington-after-outage 06:49 paul_p (I got the mail too) 06:48 paul_p answering to koha@ and kelly sherman atm (Just to say the same things as others) 06:48 paul_p hi chris 06:48 chris hi paul_p 06:36 chris well that was fun 06:23 cait bye #koha 05:39 cait hi Amit_G 05:37 mib_jrc1sa Hi 05:37 Amit_G hyea cait 02:37 genji1 how do you delete a repeated subfield from all records? 02:37 genji1 ah hell. found the problem 02:13 genji1 i suspect, my taking away of the random numbers in the 773 fields, in order for other javascript to function, could be causing the repeated tag... 02:12 genji1 since subfields have random elements in their name.. how do you refer to their id's, if you don't know what the random element is? 02:11 genji1 is there a javascript way of subfieldid = find id "773_a_*"? 01:52 chris night chris_n 01:51 chris_n g'night #koha 00:30 owen that's the trouble... I'm not good at choosing joins 00:29 chris ahh using a straight join, instead of a left? 00:29 owen But that's better than not having a count for those circs at all. The way I had been aggregating the data before I was missing circs for stuff that had been deleted 00:28 chris ahhhh :( 00:27 owen Our statistical reports will all have to have a column for "unknown branch" and "unknown ccode" :| 00:26 owen NPL's deleteditems table was not getting populated for a period of time 00:25 chris excellent 00:25 owen thanks for the offer of help on the statistics yesterday. I think I figured out where all of the discrepanices came from 00:25 collum assuming warnings have not been commented out. 00:25 owen Hi chris 00:25 collum yep. Files without warnings can be found by using grep -L warnings 00:24 chris hiya owen 00:24 chris when the patches get pushed that is :) 00:23 nod for bug 2505 you should be able to grep for 2505 and see lots of stuff to fix :) 00:23 collum hi all 00:23 nod hey collum 00:21 collum hey chris 00:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts 00:19 genji1 bug 2505 00:17 chris nod, collum has also done tons of bug2505 work 00:16 chris heya collum 00:02 nod genji1: grep is your friend: grep -Rl GetUsedMarcStructure * 00:00 genji1 man, its annoying, being out of sync with everyone else. 00:00 chris again, no idea with your koha, havent seen it happen on master though