Time Nick Message 23:59 genji1 what would make an entire tag, repeat? 23:57 genji1 eh, i found it. just guessed, by looking in the biggest file in C4. Biblio.pm of course. 23:56 chris i dont keep all 566k lines in my head ;-) 23:56 chris use grep genji1 23:51 genji1 got a case of repeating tag and subfields, only in addbiblio.pl ... when they are set to non-repeating... oddly, in the second copy, only one subfield has a value. 23:50 genji1 and where does GetUsedMarcStructure come from? 23:42 nod our($tagslib,$authorised_values_sth,$is_a_modif,$usedTagsLib,$mandatory_z3950);$usedTagsLib = &GetUsedMarcStructure( $frameworkcode ); ? 23:40 genji1 its a global variable? 23:40 genji1 its used in addbiblio.pl sub build_tabs ... but its not defined within it. 23:40 genji1 where does $usedTagsLib come from? 23:39 genji1 hey all 22:10 jo maybe PTFS don't have email and maybe their staff don't know about koha-community.org 22:07 jo naive 22:07 wizzyrea_laptop 10 bucks it's kelly sherman 22:06 chris hi CGI340 22:05 CGI340 testing 21:28 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 21:28 chris @later tell cait there that should slate your curiousity 20:47 richard hi 20:44 larsw chris, thanks 20:43 chris right packaging component made 20:42 cait but its time to sleep now - good night all :) 20:42 cait chris: you make me curious :) 20:41 chris back on it now 20:41 chris got distracted by email from ptfs about koha.org domain 20:40 larsw chris, any progress on the packaging component? 20:39 cait hm 20:39 cait @tell hdl_laptop I updated German po files in pootle and the problems in serials are solved :) 20:38 munin cait: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here. 20:38 cait @tell 20:38 munin cait: Error: "later" is not a valid command. 20:38 cait @later 20:38 cait ok :) 20:35 cait trying now 20:35 chris ahh just choose overwrite 20:33 cait I chose 'Merge the file with the current file and turn conflicts into suggestions' and now the file in pootle is empty... 20:33 cait oh pootle :( 20:33 chris must be just support companies 20:32 cait no mail here 20:30 chris hmm who else got an email from Kelly Sherman at PTFS ? 20:30 chris it sure is 20:30 cait chris: I updated the German intranet po file to test if there are still problems in serials module. no problem. Is it ok to upload/merge this newer file to pootle? 20:30 larsw yup 20:30 chris will do, lars@catalyst ? 20:29 larsw if it requires a default assignee, you make me be it 20:29 chris 2 secs ill fix that 20:28 larsw I don't see one 20:28 chris if not i should be able to make you one 20:28 chris hmm is there a packaging one? 20:27 larsw if I am filing a bug against the Debian packaging, which component should I use? 20:27 chris it had the koha logo for a while, but then that disappeared 20:27 cait good morning chris :) 20:27 chris :) 20:25 * larsw wonders whether bugs.koha.org should use a picture of a katipo as the image, rather than the current one 20:21 chris back 19:56 magnus_away g'night #koha 19:39 cait we dont have this problen or nobody told me :) 19:36 joetho I mean having users logged off, not getting lost in bugzilla... 19:36 joetho anyone else have this problem? 19:29 joetho I am trying to find any bugs referring to users being logged off when processing holds and transfers. Can't find any in bugzilla... 19:22 cait I dont like this - somthing not working in our updated test installation at work but in my installation at home :( 18:54 jcamins Anything to cut down on the number of printouts that appear on my keyboard every morning. ;-) 18:53 jcamins I was just hoping for something that would e-mail the comments, although if there's already a feature that works through the staff interface, that would be fine too. 18:52 gmcharlt jcamins: would it just need to send an email to the library, or somehow store the comments so that they can be retrieved from the staff interface? 18:51 jcamins gmcharlt: Yes, exactly. 18:49 chris nengard++ #for the koha-community email 18:49 chris ah yeah, i just assumed that was what jcamins meant 18:48 gmcharlt jcamins: to clarify - report a problem with the catalog to the library? 18:48 chris http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/ 18:47 chris but if you file it as an enhancement request then it soon might have 18:47 chris nope it doesn't 18:46 jcamins Does anyone know if Koha has a "Report a problem" feature built in? (we don't want to just put a mailto: link in the footer) 18:44 jcamins Hello, #koha 18:03 Sharon I'm still trying to find an exact example, so I know more about what this librarian is asking me... 18:02 Sharon Hi all, what does 'consigned' mean in koha? 17:53 cait fine interval and fines are defined there too 17:53 jwagner zico, grace period is defined in the circulation rules. 17:51 zico cait: where is "grace period" in system preferences? I have been searching for this 17:27 owen I knew of that problem with the deleteditems table, but I didn't realize the implications for doing statistical reports linking statistics.itemnumber to items.itemnumber (and deleteditems.itemnumber) 17:25 * jwagner sends jdavidb a bottle of hair restorer too, in the interests of peace and quiet in the office :-) 17:25 cait oh, sound like something that is not easy to find out 17:24 cait me too 17:24 owen For those following along at home: There was a time when deleted items did not get put into the deleteditems table as they should. Therefore we have imperfect historical data. 17:24 * jdavidb wants one too! 17:22 * jwagner sends owen a bottle of hair restorer 17:20 * owen can stop tearing his hair out now 17:20 * owen discovers his statistics problems can be explained by imperfect data in the deleteditems table 17:14 cait and I did a lot of fines and notices testing the last weeks and months 17:14 cait we use fines in 3.01.61 17:14 cait ok, without production you will get no fines :) 17:13 zico ok... finesMode`s value is in "production" 17:12 cait what are your settings? 17:11 cait and you have configured fine, fine interval and grace periods in administration? 17:10 zico cait: it`s on 17:08 cait there is off, test and production as possible setting iirc 17:08 cait its a syspref 17:07 zico cait: finesMode? i am afraid that, actually which one is "finesMode"? but... i can add that, we have configured our Fines section from System Preferences 17:05 cait is finesMode set to production? 17:05 zico :( 17:05 zico can anyone please help me?? i need it badly!! 17:04 zico this is very important for me... because.. our koha is in production machine... and we are facing lot of troubles for this fines 17:04 zico but.. nothing changed 17:04 zico i ran fines.pl 17:04 zico i am facing problem with "outstanding fines" in Koha 3.0.5 17:04 zico hi 16:37 cait hi jdavidb :) 16:37 cait hi hdl_laptop - at home now, hope I can test that translation problem later 16:37 jdavidb hi, cait. :) 16:36 hdl_laptop hi again cait 16:36 chris_n tnx 16:36 cait hi #koha 16:36 hdl_laptop chris_n you're right :3584 16:35 cait oh, I responded to your hi from yesterday :) 16:35 chris_n hey cait 16:35 cait hi chris_n 16:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3854 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, References to Budget Period should be Root Budget 16:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4074 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, CLOSED FIXED, The 'Subject(s)' link(s) are malformed resulting in no search results 16:34 chris_n hdl_laptop: re bug 4074, you reference bug 3854 which does not seem right 16:09 owen So we're thinking about our options 16:09 owen We'd rather not delete them because then they wouldn't be on the patron's record anymore 16:09 owen We have these old overdues that the staff is tired of seeing in search results 16:08 owen Hmmm... Okay. I don't know if that makes it harder or not 16:08 slef owen: first glance looks like it's all in perl 16:04 bigbrovar_ hey koha people.. I have closed for the day.. thanks for all the help 16:02 * owen is wondering if it would be feasible to have a similar preference for the staff client 16:01 slef not OTTOMH but I should be able to find easily 16:01 owen slef do you know if the hidelostitems system pref is tied to zebra? 15:57 * owen doesn't have a 3.0.5 install in which to test 15:57 slef I'll go play on our test server, but I think it doesn't have DAMAGED authority set up yet 15:56 slef 3.0.5 I think 15:56 slef as usual... librarians love to start from stable 15:56 slef I'm in 3.0 15:56 owen Seems to be working in the latest HEAD 15:55 slef that's it and I don't understand why not - probably overlooked something simple and just been staring at it too long 15:53 * owen goes to try it 15:53 owen Like, you set it and it doesn't save? 15:52 slef has anyone seen a problem with saving damaged status? 15:20 kf bye #koha :) 15:10 owen Hi again...anyone here know how the hidelostitems preference works? Is it a zebra thing? 14:32 bigbrovar_ kf: thanks 14:09 kf bigbrovar: it should work automagically after setting the sysprefs, there are to sysprefs for covers in staff and in opac. Koha uses a web service from amazon where you send the isbn and get the cover back if one exists 13:57 paul_p jwagner++ 13:55 bigbrovar_ hilongo: ok so the coverimage would just show up automatically in my opac searches? also I was reading that amazon uses the first isbn number in the marc records.. how does that work? 13:54 hilongo do you ask because you can't see any cover when you search your catalogue? 13:53 hilongo I think that there is nothing to run after setting those variables 13:53 bigbrovar_ hilongo: hi 13:52 hilongo Hi bigbrovar_ 13:50 bigbrovar_ hi guys. I have amazoncoverimage enabled on my koha instance. (I have both the awsaccesskeid and awsprivatekey) what else do i need to do to make koha pull coverimage from amazon. (like do i need to run a script or reindex or reboot) 13:42 chris_n g'morning 13:34 brendan morning 13:32 nicomo_laptop hi kf 13:32 kf hi nicomo_laptop 13:16 nicomo_laptop hi magnus 13:16 nicomo_laptop hi ma 13:16 magnus hiya nicomo_laptop 12:54 jwagner Hi kf 12:53 jdavidb_phone Hi, kf! :) 12:53 kf hi jwagner and jdavidb 12:49 * owen is off to tech planning meeting 12:39 paul_p hurray for jwagner if you can do that !!! 12:39 jwagner paul_p, still trying. Hoping for some word today.... 12:38 paul_p jwagner, no news from our patch for multiple item reserves ? 12:38 paul_p hello US ppl ! 12:36 jwagner I think I'll go ahead and send the patch in, but owen and jdavidb, why don't you update bugzilla with the potential problems? 12:35 jwagner We Just Does What The Client Wants.... (After trying unsuccessfully to talk them out of it) 12:34 jdavidb I think that one will go down as the Ultimate Really Bad Idea. 12:34 * jwagner thinks jdavidb is playing dirty :-) 12:34 owen Good example :) 12:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3477 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Store patron OPAC passwords in plain text 12:34 * jdavidb thinks about Bug 3477 12:33 * jwagner thinks "libraries? SILLY? Never!" 12:33 jdavidb (I can't *imagine* why a site would do that, but I've seen libraries want sillier things than that.) 12:32 jdavidb The only itch I see with your fix, jwagner, is if a site should be using themes/languages (which partially works, at least), and wanted a different CSS in different langs, your fix would break it. With what you've got, the current default value of the syspref would need to include the path /prog/en/<file> 12:31 jwagner I like jdavidb's check for http long-term, but right now there's no code like that in C4 or anywhere -- it's just the difference in the doc-head-close.inc call to the two stylesheets. 12:29 owen I certainly agree with your goal jwagner 12:29 jwagner The fix is intended to serve two purposes -- cut down on the number of local customizations (i.e., commits) on the server and allow the library to edit the css file without having access to the Koha server. 12:28 jdavidb That could be done all the way back in C4::Context, maybe. 12:28 jdavidb ? 12:28 jdavidb Need to check some way, if the syspref contains http:// then pass it through as jane suggests, else, prepend themelang/css. 12:28 owen Maybe that's okay because a librarian isn't going to be editing CSS on their Koha server? I don't know. 12:27 owen The problem I see is that it can be really hard for the librarian to know the correct path to a local file 12:26 jwagner So do you think this fix would be a problem? 12:26 owen (theme == template if that wasn't clear) 12:26 owen Or rather, it's easy to get started down that road and incredibly difficult to keep up with updates once you do 12:25 owen ...mostly on the assumption that it's really hard to create an alternate theme (entirely duplicated set of templates) 12:25 jwagner :-( 12:25 owen So it's not that the theme feature was never implemented, it's that we've kinda broken it 12:24 owen In 3.x we've allowed a bunch of hard-coded /prog/ paths to creep in 12:23 owen themes worked fine in 2.x 12:23 jdavidb The language part is, at least; I've seen that functional several places. 12:23 jwagner Also, anyone else know if any part of themes was ever implemented? 12:22 jwagner (The call is in doc-head-close.inc) 12:21 jwagner Do you see any problem with that fix? 12:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL 12:21 jwagner Morning, all. owen, following up on our conversation yesterday, see Bug 4394 12:20 jdavidb Good [morning|afternoon|evening], #koha. 12:18 owen Hi #koha 11:14 bigbrovar_ chris: ok thanks 11:14 chris lock files are only useful when the applications are running 11:13 chris not the contents of it anyway 11:13 chris not worth backing that up 11:13 bigbrovar_ chris: what about this dir /var/lock/koha? 11:11 chris cool 11:10 bigbrovar_ chris: I added /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/ : /var/lock/koha 11:07 bigbrovar_ ok am in there now and i can see more directories 11:06 chris i hope it doesnt store the indexes in /etc that would be bad 11:06 chris bigbrovar_: no that file will tell you where zebra is storing its indexes :) 11:05 genji Yay, new achievement, manually selecting and updating the marc_subfield_structure. 11:05 bigbrovar_ chris: I already backed the whole of /etc anyway 11:04 chris its not a biggy, because you can always recreate them with rebuild_zebra 11:04 chris in there it should have the location of the files 11:03 chris zebra-biblios.cfg is what you are looking for 11:02 chris look in the config files probably /etc/koha/zebradb 11:02 bigbrovar_ chris: I cant remember setting that.. but how can i find out 11:01 chris bigbrovar_: backing up those as well wouldnt hurt (if you have space) 11:01 chris bigbrovar_: where does you zebra stores its indices? 11:01 genji yeah.. -sighs- 11:00 chris no idea genji as you are running an old and heavily modified version of koha, it could be all sorts of reasons 10:58 genji my question is.. why won't my subfield edit in marc subfield structure admin, take effect? 10:58 genji anyone active? 10:56 bigbrovar_ hi guys.. am in the process of adding my koha server to my backup server.. i added /var/lib/mysql, /var/lib/koha, /usr/share/koha, and /etc which other dir should I consider adding? 10:30 kf ok, you are right 10:29 hdl_laptop second phrase should replace the previous 10:28 hdl_laptop Then you could upload your updated translation file into pootle 10:28 hdl_laptop Then you could update your translation file into pootle 10:28 hdl_laptop you certainly could try and update your po file locally and see if you have the same problem. 10:26 kf perhaps we need to update files in pootle to check if the problem still exists after that? 10:23 kf not sure how to solve or report this problem 10:22 kf hm 10:22 kf I think the German files are a bit newer, because chris updated them to test the patch for submit buttons 10:21 hdl_laptop kf they might not be. Since they have not been updated for quite a while now 10:21 kf hdl_laptop: ah, I think I see it now, the po files are not up to date? 10:21 hdl_laptop kf: yes. But I think it is not po file, but translator automatic process which has this problem. 10:19 kf noticed 10:18 kf and notices that in german we had \\/ instead of \/ 10:18 kf I compared the generated template files for english and german 10:18 kf but serials were still not working, the problem as you described in your patch 10:18 kf we updated with current files from pootle 10:18 kf I have a freshly updated 3.2 head install for testing 10:17 kf hdl_laptop: lets try to solve this :) 10:17 hdl_laptop kf 3.0 or 3.2 ? 10:17 hdl_laptop I think I sent a patch for that. 10:16 hdl_laptop and markup inside the strings 10:16 hdl_laptop And the fact is that the translated string should now be ok. i.e. without <br /> 10:16 hdl_laptop here you have don'ts 10:15 hdl_laptop http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:templates_style_guide 10:13 kf hdl_laptop: the problem is how pootle handles \ 10:12 kf hdl_laptop: hi, can you explain? 10:12 hdl_laptop kf : some translation guidelines were updated 10:11 magnus congratulations kf! ;-) 10:05 * kf is happy now, because serials finally work in German :) 10:04 chris thanks 10:03 kf chris: changing the po-files worked, but it seems you cant make the correct change inside pootle - will do some more testing 09:36 chris ok 09:36 kf chris: did not work with pootle, I have now null instead of one \, will try to edit po-files next 09:10 chris yep, thats why i said the developer conference would be good :) 09:08 paul_p chris, mail sent just a few minuts ago to say that hdl could come as well. (Although it depends on some things) 09:07 kf yes, a lot of twitter there, they projected the tweets next to my presentation on the wall 09:07 chris hi paul_p :) 09:07 chris yeah, even the trains are full 09:07 paul_p ;-) 09:07 paul_p hi chris 09:07 kf the parents of a colleague are stuck on mallorca and my colleague had to cancel her trip to ireland 09:07 chris i saw lots of tweets about that, (your talk) 09:06 kf people hat problems to get back from the conference where I spoke about koha 09:06 chris yes my sister is stuck in london 09:06 kf I think many peoply hope it will stop soon 09:04 kf :) 09:03 chris yep, if volcanoes stop errupting 09:03 kf perhaps, europe will be possible 09:02 chris kf: aww thats a shame, maybe 2011 09:02 chris we have some good talks/sessions lined up 09:02 chris paul_p: chilts and nod are organising the developer conferece 09:01 kf atm looks like I will follow kohacon on twitter again 09:01 chris yay paul_p just registered for kohacon :) 09:00 kf translation is a beast 09:00 chris i think pootle is trying to be clever, and not helpng 09:00 chris cool 09:00 chris like that .. try that and see if that works 09:00 kf I will try to "repair" the translation for subscription_add.tmpl and see how it works out 09:00 chris urden eingefügt. <br /> Bitte geben Sie an, zu welchem Datum keine Ausgabe erwartet wird<br /> 09:00 kf thx for listening 08:59 kf ok, means that I would have normal html in pootle 08:59 chris so when you translate, don't copy the \ 08:59 kf were entered. <br \/>Please indicate which date(s) an issue is not expected<br \/> 08:59 chris right that should be <br /> 08:58 kf wurden eingefügt. <br \\/>Bitte geben Sie an, zu welchem Datum keine Ausgabe erwartet wird<br \\/>" 08:58 kf and templates 08:58 chris yes 08:57 kf wurden eingefügt. <br \\/>Bitte geben Sie an, zu welchem Datum keine Ausgabe erwartet wird<br \\/> 08:57 kf were entered. <br \\/>Please indicate which date(s) an issue is not expected<br \\/> 08:57 kf po files 08:57 kf so translation should be correct 08:57 kf wurden eingefügt. <br \/>Bitte geben Sie an, zu welchem Datum keine Ausgabe erwartet wird<br \/> 08:57 kf were entered. <br \/>Please indicate which date(s) an issue is not expected<br \/> 08:57 kf another example from pootle: 08:56 kf Im sill confused 08:56 chris if changing it to \/ in the .po file fixes the templates then we will have to make sure that when ppl translate they do that 08:55 kf ok, will try 08:55 chris the only way to know is to try editing it and regenerating the templates 08:54 kf ok, so wahts the right form of <b>Warnung: Unregelmässigkeit entdeckt</b><br /> in pootle? 08:53 chris when it gets converted it should change to \\ to \ 08:53 kf with \\ or \? 08:53 chris in pootle 08:53 chris you have to escape the \ 08:52 kf so the english version in pootle differs from what I see in our koha installation 08:52 chris yes thats right 08:52 kf <b>Warning irregularity detected<\\/b><br \\/> is english in pootle, but our templates show <b>Warning irregularity detected<\/b><br \/> 08:52 chris you should be able to search and replace 08:52 kf I can try that, but its confusing 08:51 chris then run the translation does that fix it? 08:51 kf the problem is, that my colleague wants to start documenting serials, but she cant because you cant add subscriptions, all buttons rely on javascript and are not working right now :( 08:51 chris and if you edit the .po file to fix that line 08:50 kf yes 08:49 chris interesting, so when you download the file from pootle it has the \\ ? 08:48 chris sorry got busy in another window 08:44 kf hm, I scared him away... 08:37 kf chris: still around? :) 08:37 kf next strange thing is, I see: <b>Warning irregularity detected<\/b><br \/> in Pootle, but <b>Warning irregularity detected<\\/b><br \\/> in the po-file 08:34 kf var errortext = _("<b>Warnung Unregelmässigkeit entdeckt<\\/b><br \\/>"); (german template) too many \?) 08:34 kf var errortext = _("<b>Warning irregularity detected<\/b><br \/>"); (english template) 08:33 kf but it had no effect 08:33 kf http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-April/005990.html 08:33 kf we patched our installation so this patch from hdl is included 08:33 kf I wondered if an update of the files in pootle would help 08:33 kf we have serious problems with serials that seem connected to translation 08:32 kf ah hi 08:31 chris yep 08:27 kf chris: around? 08:19 kf hdl_laptop: around? 08:17 Amit_G heya kf 08:05 kf guten morgen magnus 08:05 magnus Guten Morgen kf 08:02 kf good morning koha 07:47 magnus g'day #koha 06:29 CGI923 hello 05:43 CGI623 hi 04:24 chris awesome 04:24 wajasu ok. i'll try to get into the git scene. 04:13 chris cool thanks larsw 04:13 larsw chris, I get a bug list for koha 04:13 chris where Priority = PAT means a patch has been sent, anything else is fair game 04:13 chris does that url work? 04:12 chris http://bit.ly/d6l8qj 04:12 chris but doing bug fixes would help us out the most 04:11 chris if you get bored of bugs 04:11 chris http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/ 04:11 chris squashing them will make the release come sooner 04:10 chris sorry 3.2.0 04:10 chris http://bugs.koha.org ... if you find any ones marked for 3.2.9 04:10 chris we never say no to help 04:08 wajasu Now that that project is done, maybe i'll have time to help out fixing some bugs. Do you guys need/want help or is the community sufficient? 04:04 larsw wajasu, cool 04:04 wajasu koha++ 04:04 wajasu deployed a my kohs based library today on the inet for my client. folks are happy. 03:32 Amit_G heya genji1 03:25 genji1 whats the zebra method of getting how many results would be retrieved by a given search, without actually returning those results? 03:24 genji1 hey amit 03:24 Amit_G heya chris 03:17 genji1 hiya. whats the zebra method of getting how many results would be retrieved by a given search, without actually returning those results?