Time  Nick         Message
02:29 gmcharlt     chris++
02:34 chris        ?
02:38 * gmcharlt   makes chris guess ;)
02:39 richard      heh
02:42 indradg      lol
02:42 indradg      gmcharlt, ping
02:44 chris        pazpar2 and gutenberg?
03:00 gmcharlt     indradg: pong
03:01 indradg      gmcharlt, any decisions finally on the wiki s/w to use?
03:01 gmcharlt     do you have an opinion on the matter
03:02 gmcharlt     ?
03:03 larsw        thinking of switching to a new wiki engine for koha?
03:03 indradg      gmcharlt, I would say DocuWIki would be better tool
03:04 gmcharlt     indradg: why?  (honest question here - are you speaking from doing a direct comparison?)
03:05 * larsw      really likes ikiwiki (http://ikiwiki.info) but has no idea what's needed or wanted from a wiki for koha
03:05 chris        larsw: i bet you say ikiwiki
03:05 chris        you type too fast :-)
03:05 larsw        :)
03:05 larsw        I type faster than I read, I can't help it
03:07 gmcharlt     larsw: from my point of view, any wiki software that (a) encourages people (including librarians) to use and update it (b) has reasonable support for managing multiple languages and translations of pages and (c) has a reasonable plugin architecture and is well-supported
03:09 larsw        gmcharlt, I haven't tested it yet, but ikiwiki has translation support via po files (i.e., gettext) and has a good plugin architecture; support is a matter of taste and money (joeyh, ikiwiki author, is typically quite fast at fixing things, but does it currently as a hobby)
03:09 larsw        I have no idea about encouragement
03:10 gmcharlt     translation of wiki content via .po files, or the wiki's user interface?
03:10 gmcharlt     one of the other motivations for a new wiki is to have a clean slate so that the content can be licensed under the GPL
03:10 gmcharlt     there was a community vote to relicense the current wiki under the GPL
03:11 gmcharlt     and although there were no negative votes as far as I know, not all known contributors voted to relicense
03:11 gmcharlt     so the current wiki is left in a mixed licensing situation
03:12 gmcharlt     the choice of wiki software is othogonal to the question of creating a new wiki in the first place
03:12 larsw        translation of wiki content: http://ikiwiki.info/plugins/po/
03:45 Amit_G       heya brendan, chris
03:47 chris        hiya Amit_G
03:48 * larsw      sends out a couple of patches for Debian packaging
03:50 chris        woo hoo :)
04:39 gmcharlt     larsw++
04:55 zico         hi
04:55 zico         how are you all?
04:55 zico         :)
04:57 zico         i am facing a little bit problem in my Koha server
04:57 zico         my koha cannot calculate fines
04:57 zico         i mean.... my patron has overdue....but... outstanding fines are showing 0.0 !!!
04:58 zico         this is very important for me...because.... in my instituition ... koha is in production machine.... and we are running koha daily
05:41 zico         is there anyone who can help me regarding this Outstanding Fine issue?
05:46 Amit_G       heya zico
05:48 zico         Amit_G: Hi
05:52 nicomo       hello #koha
05:55 brendan      heya nicomo
05:55 nicomo       hi brendan
05:55 nicomo       baseball game was nice?
05:55 brendan      was alright
05:56 brendan      congrats nicomo on the new job
05:56 brendan      nicomo++
05:56 nicomo       thanks
06:04 Ropuch^_     Morning #koha
06:23 brendan      @wunder San Francisco CA
06:23 munin        brendan: The current temperature in North Mission (Valencia & Market), San Francisco, California is 12.8�C (11:12 PM PDT on April 15, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
06:55 kf           hi #koha
06:56 hdl_laptop   hi zihi kf
06:57 kf           ah, laptop restart bbl
07:10 kf           hi #koha again
07:11 Ropuch^_     Hi kf
07:13 kf           hi Ropuch
07:14 magnus       g'day #koha
07:15 kf           hi magnus
07:15 magnus       Guten Morgen, kf
07:16 magnus       bon jour, paul_p
07:17 paul_p       hello magnus ! good (volcanoed) morning
07:17 paul_p       nahuel was supposed to flight to Sierra Leone ... today... flight cancelled, of course !
07:17 magnus       thanks! still no planes running, but at least we don't have the smell of sulphur they have further south
07:18 magnus       poor nahuel!
07:19 Amit_G       heya kf, Ropuch
07:27 kf           hi Amit_G
07:27 Amit_G       heya nahuel
07:27 nahuel       hey!
08:22 chris        evening all
08:23 magnus       hiya chris
08:24 chris        oh so patches from Amit_G
08:24 chris        so = some
08:24 * chris      goes to look
08:24 chris        oh cool
08:24 * chris      hopes kf comes back i want to ask how her presentation went
08:25 chris        nahuel: are you going to sierra leone for work?
08:28 Amit_G       yes chris
08:30 chris        im also very exited about larsw's packaging stuff
08:31 chris        specially http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=debian/build-git-snapshot
08:32 chilts       that's a very clean looking script too, very nice
08:32 * chilts     didn't even realise a few of the things you could do (from that script)
08:33 chris        yeah
08:33 chris        tis neat
08:55 magnus       so tht brings us closer to "sudo apt-get install koha", right?
08:55 magnus       s/tht/that/
08:56 chris        yup
08:57 chris        do you can build the package and dpkg -i it
08:57 chris        do=now
08:57 chris        its not ready to go into debian yet, but it actually will install a working koha
09:01 magnus       wow, that is great!
09:10 slef         magnus: ITYM aptitude install koha these days ;-)
09:10 slef         hi all... I'm not here much today
09:11 magnus       slef: sure...
09:13 nahuel       chris, I had to take the plane today... but with this volcano in Iceland I can't...
09:13 nahuel       I'll go monday
09:13 chris        for work? or a holiday
09:14 nahuel       work
09:14 slef         nahuel: you reckon things will be flying Monday? :-/
09:14 nahuel       i'm going to install koha
09:14 nahuel       slef, It seem tonight or tomorow all flights be back
09:14 slef         I helped rescue one Englishman from Germany yesterday. Got one of the last Eurostar seats back.
09:15 chris        my sister is in london, she cant get back to nz
09:15 slef         nahuel: yesterday they were saying all flights will be back this morning.  Geologists say there is no telling when the volcano stops.
09:15 nahuel       Brussel Airlines said me monday will be flights
09:15 nahuel       chris, she have some free holidays :)
09:16 chris        well, not free ... act of god, airlines/insurance wont pay :(
09:16 slef         free? Some airlines have been saying "act of god, no compensation"
09:16 chris        yeah
09:16 chris        thats what british airlines told her
09:16 slef         BA are one of the worst :-(
09:16 nahuel       slef, But they fear about a bigger volcano that is not so far...
09:16 slef         I flew on them once. 1996 I think.
09:17 nahuel       ^^
09:17 nahuel       it's crazy !
09:18 slef         I think Iceland still has flights.  Volcano is near south coast, blowing south.
09:26 chris        is anywhere in train distance from the uk flying?
09:26 slef         Spain, Italy, southern Germany
09:26 slef         depends how long you want to spend on a train ;-)
09:27 slef         Problem is that all UK cross-channel links are probably maxed out now
09:27 slef         We only have one train line to France
09:28 chris        ahh
09:29 nahuel       And in france we have a strike
09:29 nahuel       for 9 days
09:29 slef         oh yeah... I knew there was a reason to prefer southern Germany
09:30 slef         our connections to Spain and Italy rely on stiking French railways
09:30 chris        ahh
09:30 chris        ill tell donna that
09:30 slef         let me check they really are still flying ;-)
09:31 slef         Munich still flying... Frankfurt airport website not answering
09:32 slef         looking at flightmapping.com for flights to NZ
09:32 nahuel       do you know : http://www.radar-virtuel.com/ ?
09:33 chris        oh wow, thats neat
09:37 nahuel       :)
09:37 slef         Quantas still flying to AU out of Frankfurt
09:38 chris        ta
09:39 slef         Does anywhere else in EU fly to NZ except UK?
09:39 nahuel       arf it seems to have a problème "radar virtuel"
09:39 slef         nahuel: it's been hashkohadotted
09:39 nahuel       ^^
09:42 paul_p       chris, hi. did you see our (BibLibre) news ?
09:43 paul_p       ( hi slef too ;-) )
09:43 Amit_G       hi slef, paul_P
09:44 slef         I saw it. The Koha Company-go-round continues. :-(
09:45 chris        paul_p: yeah, about nicomo leaving
09:46 chris        slef: yep, usually via hong kong or singapore
09:46 slef         chris: which non-UK airports this end?
09:48 paul_p       slef, this move will not change anything for Koha Community. Well, it may be a good news in fact, because 1- Philippe is a very experienced CEO, and 2- I hope that will let me have some time to get involved again in Koha (that, frankly I did not really a lot for the last 18months  :( )
09:48 chris        lufthansa into frankfurt
09:49 chris        (they fly via singapore)
09:49 slef         chris: cool. Maybe they still fly out.
09:49 chris        im trying to remember how russel and i got to paris for kohacon
09:49 chris        via bangkok i thnk
09:50 slef         paul_p: It worries me a bit because Bull and Everthingy aren't famous for FOSS, if you know what I mean.  Also, why is nicomo leaving completely?  But it would be good to see you around the community more again.
09:52 paul_p       nicomo leaves because he want to work as a librarian again. and in France, most librarians (including nicolas) are employed by the govt, and they can't have a job as librarian and a job in a private company !
09:56 slef         wow, French govt is very different to ours
09:56 slef         two of software.coop work for gov.uk as well as us... one's employer encourages it, the other tolerates it.
09:57 slef         I think the big three parties are all talking about moving more gov.uk people to uk.coop members after the election, too.
09:58 paul_p       slef, my wife, that is a midwife in public hospital (and just working home to educate our 4 chilrdens) thought about working a little for a private hospital. But she can't without an explicit permission ! (or she should resign from the public system). The permission is usually given, but sometimes not...
09:59 paul_p       (just working home *those years*)
09:59 paul_p       france is different ;-)
10:00 chris        hi kf :)
10:00 chris        great news about your presentation
10:00 slef         France is UK from the early 1990s. ;-)
10:00 kf           hi chris
10:01 chris        slef: but with better wine :)
10:01 paul_p       chris, lol !
10:01 slef         chris: that may explain why they are not developing so fast ;-)
10:01 slef         wine - tastes nice but stunts your growth?
10:01 paul_p       (can I say "better food" without being suspected to troll ;-) )
10:01 chris        :)
10:01 slef         paul_p: no :-)
10:02 chris        better rugby team at the moment too :)
10:02 slef         paul_p: you need to visit real England and Wales.
10:02 kf           chris: chris++ #for helping me with koha history
10:02 kf           :)
10:02 slef         chris: the Lions are a bit of a joke team IMO (but I won't say that near them)
10:02 paul_p       slef, probably. My only experience in UK was the conference last year. I agree it's just launching a troll then...
10:02 slef         paul_p: London is not high point of UK food
10:03 slef         too many people, moving too fast, in a polluted city
10:08 chris        ive only been in gatwick and heathrow, and on a bus between them, so i cant have an opinion
10:09 magnus       i'm not overly familiar with uk cuisine, but i would like to say i had two superb meals here last year: http://www.thedukew1.co.uk/
10:10 nahuel       I prefer french food :)
10:10 nahuel       Like "boeuf bourguignon"
10:10 nahuel       and "blanquette de veau"
10:12 kf           getting hungry here :)
10:12 chris        hehe
10:13 nahuel       yes !
10:13 nahuel       We're going to buy a chicken fries salad :)
10:13 kf           im still at the conference, last presentation right now
10:14 chris        ahhh
10:14 slef         I like French food, but I prefer some English food like pork in mustard, or some good battered fish with potatoes and salad.
10:15 chris        ill eat anything :-)
10:16 kf           :)
10:17 kf           bye all
10:17 chris        cya later kf
10:17 kf           cya :)
10:20 nahuel       slef, pork in mustard, we have in france :)
10:21 nahuel       stop! now i'm hungry
10:21 slef         nahuel: wrong mustard ;-)
10:21 nahuel       from dijon ?
10:21 nahuel       :)
10:21 slef         English wholegrain :)
10:21 nahuel       héhé
10:21 nahuel       ok
11:09 Amit_G       heya nengard
11:16 nengard      hiya
12:03 Nate         Good morning #koha!
12:03 paul_p       hiya Nate
12:04 paul_p       good morning to you !
12:04 Nate         hi Paul
12:04 Nate         is it morning for you/
12:04 Nate         ?
12:05 Nate         i think it is your afternoon
12:05 Nate         so good afternoon :)
13:19 chris_n      g'morning
13:19 jwagner      Morning, all.
13:20 jwagner      @wunder 20817
13:20 munin        jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 23.9�C (9:23 AM EDT on April 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling).
14:00 nicomo       @wunder lyon france
14:00 munin        nicomo: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is 16.2�C (4:00 PM CEST on April 16, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
14:01 jdavidb      @wunder 20817
14:01 munin        jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 25.9�C (10:04 AM EDT on April 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).
14:02 magnus       @wunder bodo, norway
14:02 munin        magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0�C (3:50 PM CEST on April 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
14:03 nicomo       25°C in april, that's nice
14:04 jdavidb      It is.  A bit warmer than usual, from what I hear, but it makes waiting for a bus much more pleasant.
14:05 nicomo       indeed
14:05 collum       @wunder 41011
14:05 munin        collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 22.7�C (10:00 AM EDT on April 16, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Falling).
14:24 rhcl         @wunder bangkok, thailand
14:24 munin        rhcl: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
14:24 rhcl         @munin there is no error. munin is stupid.
14:24 munin        rhcl: Error: "munin" is not a valid command.
14:24 rhcl         @wunder pattaya, thailand
14:24 munin        rhcl: The current temperature in Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi), Thailand is 30.0�C (9:00 PM ICT on April 16, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
14:25 rhcl         see, stupid munin. there it is.
14:25 rhcl         Chatting with a stupid bot is much more pleasant than chats with my ex- were.
14:26 * jdavidb    directs rhcl to Lucy:  http://www.ai-buddy.com/aib.php?u=lucy&width=600&height=250
14:29 rhcl         rhcl directs rhcl to Geminoid
14:29 rhcl         http://www.fastcompany.com/1607031/android-robots-human-robotics-gynoid-augmented-reality-augmented-humans-science
14:32 jdavidb      ooo...that's *creepy*.
14:34 wizzyrea     http://www.iii.com/products/airpac.shtml
14:34 wizzyrea     I know koha looks pretty on mobiles already, for the most part, but this is interesting.
14:34 rhcl         still, sign me up for two. No, no, make it three. After a bit of acclimation you'd get past the creepy part. The whole issue of anthropomorphizing is really where tech is heading I think.
14:36 rhcl         Can't you see a roaming humanoid with a wireless connection to Koha roaming a library offering to help patrons find stuff?
14:36 jdavidb      rhcl++  #for his creepy but awesome idea.
14:40 jdavidb      you'd need some sort of knowledge engine on the front, to handle simple reference-interview things: "Yes, I'm looking for books about <foo>"  (Algorithmically, that's an easy one:  subject-search <foo>, get call num range, then direct the patron.
14:42 wizzyrea     did any of you see the Dr. Who episode called The Library?
14:42 wizzyrea     it had those
14:42 wizzyrea     seriously
14:43 * wizzyrea   assumes gmcharlt did
14:43 wizzyrea     (which, btw, was the creepiest thing I've seen in a while. yet still funny.)
14:44 jdavidb      heh.
14:45 jdavidb      Given some people's love for treating persons-not-like-me badly in this country, they'd be the ones to squeak that they *shouldn't* be too human-appearing.  And they'd still be rude to them, even then.
15:03 * jdavidb    waves at cait  :)
15:04 * cait       waves back at jdavidb
15:16 wizzyrea     oh, by creepy I meant the show was creepy, not the robotic library help
15:16 wizzyrea     they seemed quite helpful. :P
15:22 slef         wizzyrea: do you mean the Silence in the Library of the David Tennant ones, or some earlier episode?
15:25 wizzyrea     Ya, that one
15:25 wizzyrea     the tennant one
15:25 wizzyrea     the creepiest part being "Donna Noble is not here. Donna Noble has been saved (repeat ad infinitum)"
15:26 * wizzyrea   gets creeped out and hides under the covers
15:38 jwagner      I just can't really get into the David Tennant episodes.  I go back a long way with the good Doctor (Tom Baker being my "first" Doctor).  I was happy with the Christopher Eccleston revival, but something about Tennant rubs me the wrong way.
15:39 wizzyrea     oh man I can't get into eccleston. every other thing I've watched with him in it he's been a bad guy, and I can't get over it.
15:40 wizzyrea     but I looove tennant. :P
15:40 wizzyrea     (he reminds me of a very good friend, so that helps)
15:41 jwagner      Diff'rent strokes :-)
15:42 jwagner      But you know, Doctor Who just isn't the same any more.  Where are all the cheesy fake aliens/monsters in the rubber suits?  All this CGI business is bad for the imagination :-)
15:45 wizzyrea     ^^ true
16:09 slef         jwagner: we're into Matt Smith now.
16:10 slef         There are still quite a lot of rubber monsters... the Ood, the Sontarans,...
16:10 slef         Do you get the "making of" shows over there?
16:10 jwagner      Haven't seen those yet -- we always lag behind a bit.  Although a friend of mine finds them on the Internet practically as soon as they run.
16:10 jwagner      Not sure about the "making of" shows -- I think they may run at odd hours.  I've lost track of the airtimes now.
16:12 slef         Technically, I can record them to memory stick from my TV.  Of course, it's almost never legal to distribute them.
16:12 jwagner      Yes, there is that little matter :-(
16:12 nengard      wizzyrea or owen around?
16:14 wizzyrea     I"m here, sup
16:18 nengard      wizzyrea can i email you an image - it's a virtualbox issue - not sure if you're the one that uses it there
16:19 wizzyrea     yea, i can take a look
16:19 nengard      sending
17:40 jwagner      awfully quiet around here....
17:40 jwagner      @quote random
17:40 munin        jwagner: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by chris_n at 11:20 AM, December 22, 2009)
17:41 * chris_n    tries to imagine KOHAKONG climbing the World Trade Center with a librarian held firmly in its grasp
17:41 chris_n      sorry... Empire State Building
17:41 * chris_n    has had too much Java today :-P
17:42 jwagner      Thank you, chris_n for that image.  It will haunt me for days.....
18:02 * chris_n    did not realize jwagner was a librarian :)
18:05 jwagner      I'm not.  But some of my best friends are librarians :-) and I sometimes have a too-vivid imagination.
18:16 CGI777       hello?
22:54 brendan      @wunder San Fransico
22:54 munin        brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
22:54 brendan      @wunder San Francisco, CA
22:54 munin        brendan: The current temperature in North Mission (Valencia & Market), San Francisco, California is 20.0�C (3:43 PM PDT on April 16, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
23:35 braedon|home @wunder auckland
23:35 munin        braedon|home: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 16.0�C (11:00 AM NZST on April 17, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).