Time Nick Message 01:41 Ycros Hi, are there any good tools for bulk-editing MARC data? (either from the raw MARC XML format or the MARC format itself) 01:41 chris there are a couple of freeware tools 01:42 chris which would be so much cooler if they were actually free software 01:42 chris but there is MarcEdit 01:42 chris and the Marc utils from ptfs 01:42 chris both can do bulk, they both are developed for windows tho, and only slightly work on linux 01:43 chris but if you have access to a windows machine 01:43 chris http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/index.php 01:43 chris would probably be my pick 01:46 Ycros chris: yeah, free software preferable. Hmm, okay will look into those, thanks 01:47 chris if you do find a free software one, id love to know about it .. id love if either of the tools (marcedit or http://www.liblime.com/news/ptfs-presents-marc-utilities-2013-metadata-converter) 01:47 chris would release under a free software license 01:48 chris hi irmalibraries 01:51 eythian chris: any chance of finding friendly sponsors to get together to get one written? How hard could it be? ;) 01:51 Ycros chris: I'm actually working with irmalibraries :) 01:51 chris eythian: the thing is, the marc utilites is perl, using a lot of the same modules we use 01:52 chris its really frustrating 01:52 larsw note to self: this is not vi, control-w does not delete a word here *sigh* 01:52 chris heh 01:52 chris Ycros: ahh cool ;) 01:52 chilts heh 01:53 larsw chris, so looks to me like most of the code is already out there, and is free, so only the actual app code to do bulk editing would be needed, to write a truly free app... just needs to find someone to sponsor the development, or willing to do it themselves 01:53 chris yeah 01:53 Ycros chris: just trying to work out an easy way of bulk editing/cleaning up data - either new stuff that's being imported or already inside koha 01:53 chris i usually end up scripting 01:53 larsw I know nothing about anything related to libraries, so couldn't even start to estimate, but I would assume it would be less than two weeks of full time work 01:54 chris larsw: you are most likely right 01:55 chris_n larsw: I saw a vi irc client script once 01:55 irmalibraries hi all .. distracted for a minute ... 01:55 chris_n iirc it did not work so swell 01:56 Ycros chris: well scripting is the previous solution that one of the other developers irma was working with was using. As in, spitting things out in a csv/tsv format, then irma would edit that inside a spreadsheet app 01:56 chris eek 01:57 chris_n double-eek 01:57 chris i was more meaning using MARC::Batch and MARC::Record etc 01:57 Ycros yes, I gathered :) 01:57 chris i can send you a script 01:58 chris that does a bulk update of isbns 01:58 chris as an example 01:58 * chris_n was thining of loading lots of marc records into a spreadsheet and trying to stay sane 01:58 chris and one that groups together marc records 01:58 chris using isbn 01:58 chris (ie removes duplicates) 02:01 chris if you pm an email address ill send it along it might help out 02:01 Ycros chris: is it possible to get a tabular view in MarcEdit somehow? 02:01 chris havent used it in years 02:01 Ycros ah :) 02:01 chris so im not the best person to ask 02:03 chris larsw: yep, all the work would be UI 02:03 Ycros indeed 02:05 chilts every time I've tried GTK2 in Perl, I got bogged down in creating the UI :( 02:05 chilts one day though :) 02:08 eythian chilts: libopengl-perl 02:09 chilts not sure they're the same thing (or were you just pointing it out?) 02:10 eythian they're not the same thing, just hinting that an opengl editor would be neat :) 02:10 chris patches accepted eythian :) 02:11 chilts :) 02:13 Ycros chilts: Design the UI using glade, and then just load up the glade file 02:14 chilts Ycros: past experience points to never using a UI editor ... but I guess I have to re-evaluate that one (it's been a long time since I started believing that) 02:15 Ycros nooo, GUI design sohuld be done in a GUI :) 02:15 Ycros it's much easier, it's very tedious to do everything by hand 02:16 larsw glade is totally the way to go 02:16 larsw (not that I have experience with perl+gtk, but I have some with python+gtk) 02:18 Ycros yeah, I'm also a Python guy :) 02:21 chilts yeah, you guys are probably right :) 02:22 * chilts still has nightmares from a previous project 03:40 Amit_G hi chris 03:40 Amit_G good morning #koha 04:57 kf good morning #koha 05:02 Amit_G heya kf 05:03 kf hi Amit_G 05:03 hdl_laptop hi 05:13 kf hi hdl_laptop 05:13 hdl_laptop see you 05:20 CGI649 Hi 05:36 Amit_G Hi all, how to revert last commit via git 06:17 kf which koha version added multi marc support? 06:18 kf I m not sure, but I think I have a mistake here in my presentation hm 06:19 kf hm, ok, koha history.txt says 98 September 25 2002 Koha 1.3.0 released - Mulitple MARC flavours supported 06:46 Joandgeorge Irma: are you about? 06:58 paul_p hello world 06:59 kf good morning paul_p 07:05 Amit_G heya paul_p 07:27 chris kf: 1.3.0 was the first one that supported unimarc and marc21 .. but the 3 means its was a development release 07:28 chris so the first producton release was 2.0.0 07:49 kf chris: so 2.0.0 is correct? 07:49 chris for stable yes 07:49 chris 1.3.0 was the first development release 07:49 chris for it 07:54 kf now im confused :) 07:56 chris ok, so the second number in our numbers is how you tell if it is a stable or development release 07:56 chris even numbers = stable 07:56 chris eg 3.0.x 3.2.x, 3.4.x etc 07:56 chris orignally 2.0.0 was going to be 1.4.0 07:57 kf ok 07:57 chris but it was so major, we decided to call it 2.0.0 instead 07:57 kf I changed it to 2.0 on my slide 07:57 chris so leading up to 2.0.0 we did some 1.3.x releases 07:57 chris but they were for testing 07:57 chris not to use in a real library 07:58 kf ah :) thx chris! 09:29 chris anyone have a minute to test something for me? 09:38 magnus chris: ask, don't ask to ask ;-) 09:40 chris heh 09:40 kf magnus++ ;) 09:40 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=a 09:40 chris vs 09:40 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=a 09:41 magnus same results, different facets? 09:42 chris the facets change if you reload 09:42 chris :82 is not using apache 09:42 chris its nginx and fastcgi 09:42 chris port 80 is apache 09:47 magnus :82 seemed slightly faster, but now i get "502 Bad Gateway" 09:48 chris yup, ive busted it :) 09:48 chris cool slightly faster was what i was going for 09:49 magnus just my impression, 502 popped up just as i was trying to measure it with firebug 09:49 chris slightly faster and 1/1000th the resources 09:49 magnus heh, that's a nice number! 09:58 chris 502 gone away? 10:00 magnus nope 10:06 chris right, plan b 10:22 * magnus sneaks out to get a breath of fresh air 10:43 kf sorry, was at lunch 10:48 chris right 10:48 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=a 10:48 chris hopefully no more 502's 10:54 magnus sorry chris, i'm still getting 502'd 11:08 chris dang it 11:08 chris ah well it mostly works, i just have to learn more about threading and sockets and fastcgi 11:08 chris Amit_G: i see you just registered for kohacon .. are you coming? 11:08 * chris hopes so 11:08 Amit_G chris: i m planning 11:15 Amit_G heya nicomo 11:15 nicomo hi Amit_G 12:31 kf have you seen that? http://koha-community.org/arabic-koha/ 12:31 kf my presentation has too many slides for another screenshot :( I need more time! 13:13 chris_n g'morning 13:14 kf good morning chris_n 14:54 * chris_n thinks its awful quiet in here today 14:54 chris_n @wunder 28334 14:54 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 13.9�C (10:49 AM EDT on April 14, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady). 14:59 wizzyrea @quote random 14:59 munin wizzyrea: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 02:00 PM, November 05, 2009) 14:59 wizzyrea hehe 15:06 chris_n it's M$ attempt to "govern" the rest of the software world through force that is so nasty 15:07 chris_n if they want their unique implementations and closed source, they can have it; just as long as they keep it to themselves :) 16:38 len hello everyone, aparently migrating to zebra has been more complicated than expected, especially for the authorities. Now when I search an authority I always see 0 biblios like the authority is not used. In the zebra log there is a strange error: Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr "1=Koha-Auth-Number" 50. Any ideeas? 16:45 Nouman hi 17:01 len aparently for each authority found, another query @attrset Bib-1 @attr "1=Koha-Auth-Number" id_authority is done 17:02 len with returns an error 114 17:06 wizzyrea len: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#18 all of these things are ok? 17:08 len yes 17:08 len I've commented the entry in crontab and executed by hand the rebuild to check for errors 17:09 len there is none, except the warn related to Heading-Main and Any 17:09 len and yes, as koha user, checked also permissions on the zebradb dirs 17:13 len the problem seems similar to the one described at the end of this bug: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1906 17:13 munin 04Bug 1906: normal, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Zebra Authority search fails with a new (from git) Koha installation 17:14 len but there is no solution, and the bug is old and resolved 17:35 len can the problem be in zebra version? 17:36 len I have idzebra-2.0.34 18:19 chris_n nice: http://badir.maktabat-online.net/ 18:28 owen Wow that's kinda making my brain hurt 18:39 wizzyrea oh man, that's great... but yea, wow brain hurt 18:40 * wizzyrea is in backwards world 18:41 wizzyrea backwards for me anyway 18:41 wizzyrea normal for some 18:43 chris_n yeah... they did a spectacular job imho 18:46 wizzyrea it looks really great, and it all works which is even better :D 18:48 fredericd hi 18:49 * chris_n notices a watch-dog script he wrote has begun to spam his inbox :-P 18:49 chris_n hi fredericd 18:56 chris morning 19:00 magnus morning chris 19:04 chris_n g'morning chris 19:08 chris_n between js, perl, catalyst, dbic, and php I'm about to go stark, raving mad 19:13 len even after installing last version of zebra same error 19:13 len lost ... 19:15 chris_n len: I'm not familiar with authorities as we don't use them presently, but you might want to post to the list 19:16 len is there a way not to use them? 19:17 len most of the biblios are manualy entered (not using z3950) 19:17 len and the process of entering an authority before each biblio is a bit long 19:17 chris there certainly is len 19:17 chris what you need to do is go to the marc frameworks 19:18 chris (under administration) 19:18 len ok 19:19 chris http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x3614#AEN3617 19:19 chris scroll down to 1.4.1.3 19:19 wizzyrea oki 19:19 chris so what you do is find the subfiled you want to turn the authorities off on 19:20 chris say 100a 19:20 chris and switch the thesaurus to blank (instead of what its set to now) 19:23 len yes, the problem is that now there will be no more check for typos 19:23 len I tried using BibliosAddAuthority to true and the effect was that a lot of duplicated authors are found 19:26 len but thank you anyway, it's always good to know ;) 19:27 chris :) 19:28 chris i think the way to use them best 19:28 chris is to load all the authorities at the start 19:28 chris from some big authorities file 19:30 len I agree with you, but this is not the case here :( 19:41 chris_n wb brendan 19:41 brendan :) 19:45 magnus g'night #koha 20:02 cait good night #koha 20:02 cait :) 20:11 owen good night #koha 20:12 owen :) 20:43 len good night 22:17 chris hmm my server at home is having issues 22:36 larsw does Koha keep a changelog of any sort in the source tree? 23:57 chris it used to back in the days of cvs 23:58 chris but not anymore i dont think 23:59 larsw yeah, I can't find one 23:59 larsw release notes (NEWS files) might be a good idea