Time  Nick            Message
03:25 Amit_G          heya all
03:25 Amit_G          hi chris
06:36 magnus          g'day #koha
07:25 kf              good morning all
07:26 Nouman          Good morning
07:34 chris           evening
07:35 kf              hi chris
10:29 chris_n         g'morning #koha
10:31 chris           you're up early chris_n
10:33 chris_n         yeah, just thought I'd check the weather and news before breakfast
10:53 Amit_G          heya chri_n
11:07 kf              @wunder Konstanz
11:07 munin           kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
11:08 kf              hm i have an item with status "not for loan" in opac and "available" in staff, notforloan is 0 and other items with this item type show as available
11:09 kf              someone an idea?
11:10 Amit_G          @wunder Bangalore
11:10 munin           Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 35.0�C (2:30 PM IST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 16.0�C.
11:51 kf              found it 942 was set to an item type that is not for loan... but we have itemlevel-itypes on - it should not matter?
11:54 Amit_G          @wunder Bangalore
11:54 munin           Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 35.0�C (2:30 PM IST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 16.0�C.
11:54 Amit_G          @wunder New Delhi
11:54 munin           Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 41.0�C (5:00 PM IST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
11:54 jwagner         kf, I've run into problems before with the 942c not being set properly.  Somewhere in the code things are still referencing it instead of the item-level itype.
11:54 Amit_G          @wunder Dehradun
11:54 munin           Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 37.0�C (2:30 PM IST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa.
12:07 kf              jwagner: harrumph.
12:08 jwagner         kf, I'll see your harrumph and raise you a growl :-)
12:08 kf              jwagner: growl is more than harrumph?
12:09 jwagner         If it's a Monday, yes.
12:09 kf              jwagner: next thing is, I think it does not use the classification setting from sys prefs...
12:10 kf              its ddc in 942, although z it set in sys prefs...
12:11 kf              mondays are evil.
12:12 jwagner         I can agree with that....
12:14 owen            Good Monday to you #koha
12:15 jwagner         owen we were just agreeing that Mondays were evil :-)
12:15 kf              hi owen
12:15 kf              monday--
12:15 kf              @karma monday
12:15 munin           kf: Karma for "monday" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
12:15 jwagner         @karma Monday
12:15 munin           jwagner: Karma for "Monday" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
12:15 owen            well, then it can't hurt to hope for a good one :)
12:15 jwagner         monday--
12:15 kf              @karma Monday
12:15 munin           kf: Karma for "Monday" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
12:16 jwagner         Looks line munin is not case sensitive -- I'd wondered about that.
12:16 owen            monday--
12:16 owen            Monday++
12:17 kf              @karma JwaGneR
12:17 munin           kf: Karma for "JwaGneR" has been increased 22 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 22.
12:17 jwagner         kf in your 942 problem -- I missed the beginning.  Are you seeing issues in the OPAC?
12:17 kf              issue = item?
12:17 kf              the item looks fine, just the status is wrong
12:17 jwagner         Sorry, no -- issue = problem.
12:17 kf              ah
12:17 kf              I solved it now by setting 942 to NORMAL which is for loan
12:18 jwagner         I'm working what may be a parallel problem.  There are cases where a title has both a physical copy and an electronic version.  The hitlist doesn't always display both (sometimes neither).  I just got one of them to display by setting the 942c.
12:18 jwagner         Are you using XSLT for results list in OPAC?
12:18 kf              I will do some tests in our 3.2 installation later (its broken right now...)
12:19 kf              the result list in opac?
12:19 jwagner         Yes.  Mine display OK without XSLT.
12:19 kf              I have a bug in xslt to fix there - it does not show items when there are links in 856
12:19 jwagner         Oh, good, it's not just me :-)
12:20 kf              library is unhappy about that, we have a lot of catalog enrichment links from union catalog
12:20 kf              tocs, covers, abstracts
12:20 kf              I have a long todo list for xslt, but its a time problem
12:20 jwagner         But it's not always the case -- some titles with both hardcopy and 856 do show both in the results list.  I have a test server example that I was going to post today to see if anyone had any ideas.
12:20 kf              hm
12:21 jwagner         See http://arcadia.test.ptfsinc.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=dead+souls
12:21 kf              have you looked at the xslt yet? if there is a condition involved? my colleague told me that there are subfields indicating if its a full text or enrichment
12:21 jwagner         It's definitely somewhere in the XSLT -- works fine without it on.
12:21 kf              hm i like the color :)
12:21 jwagner         I think it's to do with how XSLT defines available.
12:22 kf              have you examples for no 856 and items missing?
12:22 jwagner         # 1, 4, 8, 9, 12, and 13 have both hardcopy and 856
12:22 jwagner         #14 did also -- that's the one I just edited the 942c and now it's suddenly showing both.
12:22 kf              is this current head?
12:23 jwagner         No, this is a bit older.  I replicated the problem in current head, though.
12:23 kf              our installation is 3.0.61 and there its only showing 856 and no items, but you have nothing shown
12:23 kf              interesting
12:23 jwagner         Funny thing with this list -- I also edited #1's 942c, but it didn't make both the hardcopy & 856 show.  Why did it work for #14 but not #1?
12:24 jwagner         I just did some work customizing things for this site, and to get around the problem, in the XSLT results page I moved the hardcopy item display to before the 856 display (and put on a separate line because it looked cleaner).  When I do that, both show up just fine.
12:25 jwagner         This particular codeset is pretty old, actually --  Same problem happened at .061, and as I said, I replicated it at currnt head.
12:27 jwagner         To see the "fixed" version, look at their production server http://koha.arcadia.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=dead+souls
12:27 kf              https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=deutschland&offset=26
12:29 kf              have you changed the availability display too? so that it shows the location?
12:30 jwagner         On the live server?  Yes, that was one of the customizations they wanted.  Shelving location, change the call number display & count wording, a few other things.
12:31 jwagner         But until I switched the order of the XSLT "availability" listings, it had the same problem -- either 856 would show but not physical item, or neither would show.
12:32 jwagner         kf, have you opened a bugzilla entry on this one yet?
12:32 kf              in our 856 shows and no items
12:33 jwagner         I was trying to gather some more information before creating a bug report, but if you have one, I can add to it.
12:33 kf              no *hides*
12:33 * jwagner       sees kf hiding under that desk. Come out, you!
12:33 * jwagner       says, either that or let me join you :-)
12:34 kf              *tries to change her color to the color of the carpet*
12:34 kf              ;)
12:34 jwagner         It won't work, I tell you!
12:35 * jwagner       coughs. To return to the subject at hand....
12:36 jwagner         It doesn't seem to matter what the item type is (reference or circulating), and I haven't picked up a pattern yet for why some things show & others don't.
12:36 jwagner         I have seen some titles in the same catalog show both, just don't have an example right now.
12:38 kf              I only have one case so far
12:38 kf              when there is 865 no availability is shown
12:38 jwagner         AHA -- found an example.
12:39 jwagner         http://arcadia.test.ptfsinc.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=service+learning+in+higher+education -- #8 and 9 show both,
12:39 jwagner         Also # 19.  Those are all reference, but I know I've seen this with for-loan items as well.
12:39 kf              strange
12:45 kf              jwagner: I have no idea. :(
12:45 kf              jwagner: and I found my next bug today: scan index cant show ß in result lists
12:46 jwagner         Hmmmm.  Maybe I'm misremembering. For #19 on that list, I did some testing.  It originally had no 942c and two items, both with a ebook item type (non-circ).
12:47 jwagner         I changed things in steps, running zebra after each change.  (setting 942c to ebook, setting one item to regular book, removing 1st item which was ebook, setting 942c to regular book).  The change that made the hardcopy disappear was changing the one remaining item to a regular book.
12:47 jwagner         That would seem to indicate the problem is with circulating item types.
12:48 jwagner         When I set the item's itype back to ebook, it reappears on the hitlist.
12:49 kf              makes sense
12:50 kf              I think most of our items are circulating, so I perhaps never saw a case like that
12:51 jwagner         Do you want me to go ahead with creating the bugzilla report?
12:53 kf              please! I will try and add to it if I find out more
12:54 kf              must work on my presentation today
12:55 jwagner         Just replicated the same sequence in a current head system-- changing item type to ref made it show up.
13:02 kf              942--
13:03 jwagner         OK, Bug 4385
13:03 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability
13:04 jwagner         I've looked at the XSLT stylesheet code a bunch of times, but I can't see the problem.  Maybe someone else can.
13:05 jwagner         XSLT--
13:06 owen            Poor XSLT, it's just misunderstood :(
13:07 jwagner         Gee, Officer Krupke....
13:11 jwagner         So, owen...  Dare one ask WHY you're playing host to ducklings???
13:11 owen            You know...for kids!
13:11 CGI602          Hello everyone
13:11 owen            Hi CGI602
13:11 CGI602          anybody who has experience importing patrons record from active directory?
13:11 CGI602          Hi Owen
13:11 jwagner         owen, I thought maybe you were just planning ahead for dinner :-)
13:15 * owen          would never do such a thing to Flippers and El Machismo
13:18 kf              owen++
13:20 jwagner         Are these just temporary houseguests, or permanent additions to the family?
13:21 owen            Two-week houseguests. Then they go live on a farm with other ducks.
13:21 CGI602          I am new
13:21 owen            Sorry CGI602, we've heard your question, but I don't think anyone here at the moment has an answer
13:22 wajasu          downloaded koha alpha. i cd into misc/translator, and run ./install.pl and it wants C4/Languages.pm  which seem to be two directories higher. i added a symlink to it to get it to run.
13:22 kf              wajasu have you set the environment variables?
13:28 wajasu          no.  before the build?   I just untarred the and followed the instruction at http://koha-community.org/tarballs-of-koha-3-2-available/
13:31 kf              I just thought that perhaps you will not need the symlink because one of the environment variables points to C4 directory
13:31 kf              I think you can install Koha first and add languages after that
13:33 wajasu          ok.
13:35 chris_n         wajasu: I think the correct order is: 1. run Makefile.PL 2. Do the language thing 3. run the webinstaller... but I'm not 100%
13:35 chris_n         after running Makefile/make install, there will be a blurb about exporting the pathing vars
13:37 wajasu          i'm writing an PKGBUILD for koha for my distro archlinux.  i just wanted to know if i had to run that beforehand.
13:38 wajasu          the only problem i have is HTTP::OAI seems to have a conflict in a perl module  (XML::SAX::Base) that collides with the previously installed SAX Parser.
13:54 jdavidb         Geez....when the President of the US throws a party, it hoses up things for *everyone*.  Can't he do this out at Camp David, instead of Right.Down.Town!?
13:55 * owen          thinks someone is sore he didn't get an invite :P
13:56 jwagner         Camp David isn't big enough for 47 heads of state and all their entourages.
13:56 * chris_n       thinks there's a good chance jdavidb could get in based on previous similar performances
13:56 jdavidb         Watching 47 world leaders posture and not decide *anything*?  No, thankee.
14:01 * jwagner       gloats in jdavidb's direction
14:02 jwagner         You picked a bad day to work from home -- Jeetika brought in two pounds of fresh strawberries and is sharing them :-)
14:02 jwagner         Yummmmmm
14:02 * jdavidb       ended up walking from Dupont Circle to get to the doc, rather than mess with the city center.  'bout a mile, each way.
14:02 jdavidb         Aw, dern!
14:02 jwagner         No, there WON'T be any left by tomorrow!
14:20 owen            Hi joetho
14:37 wizzyrea        mornin everybody
14:42 jwagner         morning, wizzyrea
14:46 kf              morning wizzyrea
14:46 wizzyrea        ^.^ how is everybody today
14:51 * jwagner       starts singing Leadbelly's "On a Monday"
14:52 wizzyrea        ooh
14:52 wizzyrea        that good huh
14:53 jwagner         Mondays should be banned...
14:54 paul_p          jwagner, the problem, if you ban mondays, is that you'll want to ban tuesday a few weeks later ?
14:54 jwagner         paul_p, how did you guess?????
14:54 jwagner         I've long been in favor of a 2-day workweek and a 5-day weekend, but somehow I've never found an employer willing to go for it....
14:58 * jdavidb       waves to wizzyrea
14:59 wizzyrea        hey jdavidb :)
15:22 * collum        wishes his meetings lasted only 20 minutes. :)
15:24 jwagner         Shortest one yet of this transition period :-)
15:46 brendan         morning all
15:46 chris_n         heya brendan
15:46 * chris_n       heads off in search of lunch
15:46 brendan         enjoy
15:48 indradg         morning brendan
15:48 * brendan       waves
15:49 CGI561          hello
15:50 CGI561          how do i do stock verification in koha
15:51 wizzyrea        like, inventory?
15:54 wizzyrea        does anyone know if you can print a receipt for fines?
15:54 jwagner         Not to my knowledge.  That's been on the wish list for a while.
15:54 wizzyrea        hrm
15:54 wizzyrea        okies
15:55 CGI167          how to do stock verification in koha
15:59 brendan         CGI167 - try looking at inventory found under Koha > Tools
16:00 brendan         of course that's based off jwagner's assumption too - btw - hi jwagner
16:00 CGI167          actually i have scanned barcode numbers of the books in text file format...
16:00 CGI167          how to find missing barcode numbers
16:01 jwagner         hi brendan -- what was I assuming?
16:01 brendan         ah - that's a little bit more difficult - try reading in the manual http://koha-community.org found under documentation
16:01 brendan         maybe that should help a little
16:01 brendan         jwagner: stock = inventory
16:01 brendan         that's what you were assuming (I guess)
16:02 CGI167          yes stock=inventory
16:02 brendan         whoops was wizzyrea
16:02 jwagner         Actually, it was wizzyrea doing the assuming.
16:02 brendan         sorry jwagner I meant wizzyrea
16:02 brendan         :)
16:02 jwagner         That's OK, I'll take being confused with her any day :-)
16:03 wizzyrea        yea, I never got an answer as to whether stock really did = inventory
16:04 wizzyrea        :)
16:07 kf              hm today is my bug finding day :(
16:07 jwagner         Well, _somebody_ has to find them....
16:08 kf              jwagner: have you tried html notices with different currency symbols?
16:08 kf              i'm speaking of this new and nice feature for including the fine amount in notices :)
16:09 jwagner         No, haven't done anything with it.  Is this print notices or something else?
16:10 kf              for overdues I think, it worked fine but my euro got to €
16:10 kf              http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=599887a1855349de6bafe9c1b6ce155ed9be5fb5
16:11 jwagner         No, that's not one of ours so I haven't looked at it.
16:11 kf              yes, I got confused :)
16:11 kf              I m testing html notices too
16:16 kf              chris_n: around?
16:18 jwagner_meeting (lunch first, then meeting....)
16:19 kf              ok, will ask him later :)
16:19 kf              bye #koha
16:37 wizzyrea        anybody know what happened to this
16:37 wizzyrea        http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1232
16:37 munin           04Bug 1232: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, drdrulm@yahoo.com, NEW, Add Invoice/Credit/Fines Payed For Day on Issues (Print Page) (Print Slip)
16:46 rafael          I have sent a question about searching but nobody replied.
16:46 rafael          Does anyone got an error when using authorities and a search like
16:46 rafael          ../cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=an:13517
16:46 rafael          does not suceed?
17:40 len             hello everybody
17:41 len             I have a question related to the subjects search
17:43 wizzyrea        shoot
17:43 len             I have a marc record with multiple 650 fields
17:43 len             in the detail.pl I was expecting to have links for each subject
17:44 len             in the form: search.pl?q=su:term1
17:44 len             but instead
17:44 len             for the first one I have q=su:term1
17:44 len             for the second q=su:term1 and su=term2
17:44 len             and so on
17:44 len             I have recently installed koha 3.0.4
17:45 len             I have tried to look into the code
17:45 len             and everything happens inside Biblio.pm
17:45 len             GetMarcSubjects
17:45 len             push @link_loop, {'limit' => 'su', link => $linkvalue, operator => $operator };
17:45 len             I don't know if there is an error with my marc framework
17:46 len             or the way I am using the fields
17:52 len             maybe instead of using multiple a fields for the field 650 I should use multiple 650 fields
17:52 jcamins         Len: are you sure you're looking at the links for different 6xx fields? That sounds like what you'd get if you had one 6xx field with multiple subfields.
17:56 len             jcamins: you are right
17:56 len             this was the cause, I was having multiple a subfields for the 650 field, I should have multiple 650 fields. Thank you.
17:57 jcamins         You're welcome.
18:05 rafael          Could any one reply to my question about ../cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=an:13517 error
18:22 wizzyrea        rafael: I have not heard of anyone having that issue
18:23 len             jcamins: I was this problem ideed but now I have another problem. It seems that all searches with several words work but the ones with one word don't work
18:24 len             for instance q=su:Politics economics work but neither q=su:Politics or q=su:Economics
18:24 len             both politics and economics are in the nozebra table, as I am using nozebra
18:26 len             he he, if I do q=su: Politics, with a space it works
18:41 rafael          I work too with NoZebra. Everything work fine except an: but if I add a space it works as you say. Must we change template ?
18:48 len             rafael, I don't know
18:48 len             I think the problem is in Search.pm
19:03 chris_n         len: nozebra is basically not supported and has many problems
19:04 chris_n         the current recommendation is to convert to zebra
19:04 chris_n         even for small collections
19:05 * chris_n       feeds his zebra more fresh hay
19:07 * chris         agrees with chris_n
19:08 chris_n         up early :)
19:08 len             I think I've found the problem
19:09 len             in search.pm, the search is done for su:term instead of term
19:09 * chris_n       remembers thinking the same thing once ;)
19:09 chris_n         that I'd found the problem, that is
19:12 chris_n         len: C4:Search is scheduled for a major re-write in 3.4
19:12 len             I understand
19:13 len             I will try to migrate to zebra
19:13 len             I far as I understand, I should install zebra and run the rebuil_zebra migration script
19:13 len             *rebuild
19:13 chris_n         that's basically it
19:14 len             thank you for your help
19:14 chris_n         len: search the list archives; a number have converted recently
19:14 rafael          I respect Chris' recomendation to convert to zebra but I can assure you that no_zebra is OK with a good response time
19:15 chris_n         and be sure to run the rebuild_zebra script as your kohauser
19:16 chris_n         len: also give a holler here if you get stuck in the process
19:17 len             thank you chris_n
19:21 chris           rafael: no_zebra has some serious shortcomings
19:21 chris           and there are no plans to fix them, in 3.4 no_zebra will dissapear
19:22 chris           but if it's working ok for you now, and you can live with the bugs, then that is fine :)
19:24 chris           oh and if you are concerned about ACTA http://publicacta.org.nz/
19:24 chris           there is declaration here you might want to sign
19:30 len             trying to do rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w gets me a 22:22:45-12/04 zebraidx(32296) [warn] No such record type: grs.marcxml.record
19:50 wizzyrea        si: are you home yet :)
20:09 rafael          Chris ACTA petition is signed
20:10 rafael          Another problem regarding indexes are authorities. Some instalations show records linked but other does not. Is there any preference forgot ?
20:43 richard         hi
20:46 wizzyrea        hey richard
20:47 richard         hi wizzyrea
20:47 brendan         hiya richard
20:47 richard         hi brendan
20:49 chris           back
20:49 brendan         wow really cheap tickets to NZ from Los Angelos
20:49 brendan         but you have to travel before Sept 21
20:49 brendan         :(
20:49 brendan         about $800 USD
20:49 chris           just have an extra month :)
20:50 chris           or does the return have to go back?
20:50 brendan         Great for me - but not for Sonja
20:50 chris           im sure i could find you a desk and phone and internet to work from :)
20:50 brendan         I think you can return whenever
20:50 brendan         alright chris sounds like a deal - no just to talk Sonja into it
20:51 chris           whats sonja do for a crust?
20:51 chris           im sure you have told me and i have forgotten
20:51 wizzyrea        omg, wow that's a good deal
20:54 brendan         Sonja is a ph.d student in mathematics
20:54 brendan         so the key is going to be to watch Quantas - that's where I saw it
20:55 chris           ooh cool
20:55 chris           i did my major in maths, she is way ahead of me
20:56 brendan         YAY math
20:57 chris           math and philosophy were my fave subjects
20:59 * richard       followed a more agricultural bent and majored in soil science
21:30 miguelxercode   hi
22:06 * chris_n       wonders what sort of "tech support" would suggest that less than 0.007% would cause the total failure of a brand new ups?
22:06 chris_n         s/would/overload would/
22:58 brendan         wb chris
22:58 chris           thanks
23:34 brendan         @wunder 93117
23:34 munin           brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (4:20 PM PDT on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
23:53 chris_n         yoyo internet today chris?
23:53 chris_n         @wunder 28334
23:53 munin           chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 20.7�C (7:45 PM EDT on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 12%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling).