Time Nick Message 22:57 * richard waves at mason from wellington 22:55 * mason waves from kapiti 22:13 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.2�C (5:12 PM CDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). 22:13 moodaepo @wunder 56001 21:55 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 25.0�C (2:35 PM PDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling). 21:55 brendan @wunder 93117 21:27 magnus good night, #koha 21:25 chris cool :) 21:22 brendan made it back home :) 21:22 brendan hi chris 21:12 chris hi brendan 21:04 chris night cait 21:02 cait ok, time to go to bed - good night #koha 21:00 cait I dont see, whats wrong with those 21:00 cait att 1045 Record-control-number 21:00 cait rcn Record-control-number 21:00 cait Record-control-number 1=1045 20:58 larsw chris, http://autonomo.us/ :) 20:57 chris dang 20:57 cait http://10.0.0.2:8080/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=rcn:006869769 results in error 404 :( 20:57 chris i like autonomous 20:56 chris ohh thanks larsw 20:56 larsw autonomous, unhindered 20:56 chris one thats not from a janis joplin song 20:56 rhcl_away happily divorced 20:56 rhcl_away divorced 20:56 rhcl_away unemployed 20:56 rhcl_away laid off 20:56 rhcl_away fired 20:55 chris i need a synonym for freedom 20:53 cait hm, still not working 20:51 cait hmpf 20:45 chris that makes 109 20:44 cait ah typo :) 20:43 chris 4 new committers 20:43 gmcharlt yep 20:43 chris gmcharlt: alex arnaud too 20:42 cait ok, I can find the records with $w now in any, but not with my index rcn: or Record-control-number: 20:36 cait thx :) 20:36 chris good luck cait 20:35 * chris_n heads home 20:35 chris_n enough of DBIx::Class for one day :P 20:33 cait ok, all files changed - testing now 20:33 richard hey chris 20:33 chris back 20:23 richard hi 19:50 chris ok bus time 19:48 cait gmcharlt: thx! 19:48 cait chris: thank you! 19:48 gmcharlt cait: no, that's it 19:48 chris cait: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/rest+on+laurels 19:47 cait gmcharlt: is there mroe than changing record.abs, bib1.att and properties.ccl and reindex? 19:47 chris ie we shouldnt think the job is done 19:46 gmcharlt chris: I think so 19:46 chris shouldnt become complacent 19:46 cait what does it mean? 19:46 chris its to do with laurel wreaths isnt it gmcharlt ? 19:46 chris its an old saying cait, (but laurel is also my wife's name) 19:46 gmcharlt doh - I walked right into that 19:45 cait resting on our laurels? 19:45 chris yeah, last time i sat on laurel i got a punch 19:45 gmcharlt chris: agreed. not that we should be resting on our laurels regarding that, of course 19:45 cait but I still need a lot of time for small things :( 19:45 chris yay! 19:44 cait I plan to submit everything as soon as possible, perhaps some smaller patches and enhancements 19:44 chris gmcharlt: im really happy how many female developers we have .. its nowhere near 50% but its way better than most projects 19:44 cait ah ok 19:44 gmcharlt cait: if it's something to submit, you'll have to change both versions 19:43 cait hm, but how do i make my patch when i change files in koha-dev? 19:43 chris ahh awesome 19:43 gmcharlt cait: the koha-dev one is the one that is actually used by the Zebra process 19:43 cait now not sure where to change it - koha-dev is not in git, but it seems koha uses koha-dev and not files under kohaclone? 19:43 gmcharlt Cindy Ames 19:42 chris who was the other one? 19:42 cait I wonder because /etc/zebradb exists in directory kohaclone (git) and koha-dev 19:42 chris oh cool, i saw the 2 catalysters (donovan and srdjan) 19:42 gmcharlt chris: I think there are three new committers for history.txt today 19:41 cait i want to add a new index to zebra 19:41 cait perhaps you can help me? 19:41 chris heya cait 19:41 cait hi chris 19:41 chris gmcharlt: thanks for all the pushing, thats a ton of patches :) 17:29 mib_umdivv ? 17:14 mib_umdivv or anything of that sort? 17:14 mib_umdivv does anyone know of a Koha Copy Cataloging Cheat Sheet, Checklist, Guide, Tutorial 17:13 Ropuch Hi 17:13 mib_umdivv hi all 16:57 tomascohen paul_p: thanks! 16:50 ricardo Bye all! 16:47 paul_p tomascohen, it's deprecated. You should put rebuild_zebra.pl -z in the crontab 16:46 tomascohen i was wondering if is koha-zebraqueue-daemon needed? 16:46 tomascohen hi everyone 16:39 sjeffery Can anyone link to an example record showing the issues of a periodical held by a library in Koha? Having the darndest time tracking an example down. 16:27 munin indradg_: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0�C (9:50 PM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 16:27 indradg_ @wunder kolkata 16:21 cait :) 16:21 jdavidb hi, cait! :) 16:21 Nouman hi 16:21 jwagner hi cait 16:20 cait hi #koha 16:05 moodaepo jcamins: my yes was for another window sorry : ( 16:03 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 31.6�C (11:28 AM EDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling). 16:03 jdavidb @wunder 20817 16:03 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 27.7�C (11:49 AM EDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 12%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Steady). 16:03 chris_n @wunder 28334 16:01 jcamins Really? How do you do it? I tried creating a separate file, and adding it to zebra-biblios.cfg, and it doesn't seem to recognize my new attributes. 16:00 moodaepo yes 15:59 jcamins Does anyone here happen to know how to make zebra recognize additional attributes, without modifying bib1.att? 15:35 jdavidb I've seen them (meaning, I have them in my inbox, and know they are there) but have not had minutes enough to rub together to *do* anything with them. I haven't forgotten; am just thoroughly buried. 15:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses 15:34 gmcharlt just wondering if you have any comments on the three-patch series for bug 3482 that hdl_laptop sent on 3/17 15:33 jdavidb present, more or les. 15:33 gmcharlt jdavidb: about? 15:25 ricardo ... but the function that contains that line is called from several places (so, I think a trace would be nice) 15:25 ricardo I have a development question: is there a way to have a "stack trace" displayed somewhere (screen, log...) for a function call in Koha? I'm having, for some authority searches, a Crash ("Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /koha/koha30xclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 890.") and I would like to debug this... 15:23 ricardo Hi everyone 14:57 ftherese forget about it 14:57 ftherese I guess I'll just let it go 14:50 ftherese it just looks like that deals with only a few of the files 14:50 ftherese upon reading the documentation 14:49 ftherese do I need to give it the translate -p update? 14:48 paul_p grrrr... should do 14:48 ftherese on /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl 14:48 ftherese but it won't show the fr-FR in the menu 14:48 ftherese and refreshing the browser 14:47 ftherese reloading it 14:47 ftherese right... I tried restarting apache2 14:47 paul_p ok, so it exist. so it's translated. 14:47 ftherese sorry munin 14:46 munin ftherese: Error: "paul_p" is not a valid command. 14:46 ftherese @paul_p 14:46 ftherese columns.def css includes js lib modules xslt 14:46 ftherese it includes these files: 14:46 paul_p ftherese, pls check you've a directory $KOHA/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/fr-FR ? 14:28 ftherese why won't the setup page let me select another language?!? 14:27 ftherese ... frustration 14:23 ftherese after running translate install fr-FR 14:23 ftherese so... why won't it let me select fr-FR from the setup menu? 14:23 paul_p (but it must be fr-FR) 14:23 paul_p ftherese, so, you must have french setup & don't need to do anything with sysprefs 14:22 ftherese j'ai besoin de l'unimarc 14:22 ftherese I haven't installed the system yet 14:21 paul_p ftherese, fr-FR, and pls activate it in sysprefs / i18n tab 14:21 chris_n this would avoid *many* warns in comparisons 14:21 chris_n it seems that in all of our code-style deliberations we should consider "requiring" the initialization of all vars when they are first defined 14:19 jcamins Does anyone know if there is an idiot's guide to creating custom indexes in Zebra? 14:18 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:15 ftherese should it have been named just "fr" instead of "fr-FR"? 14:10 ftherese paul_p: I installed the fr-FR translation, which looked like it worked, but I still have only en as an option 13:59 ftherese and at line 131 13:58 ftherese Use of uninitialized value $pref_name in concatenation (.) or string at LangInstaller.pm line 173. 13:58 ftherese paul_p only one error... hope it isn't serious 13:57 kf bye #koha :) 13:55 cm i don't remember exactly why we settled on storing records as marcxml, but i think it had to do with migrating our records from dev_week to koha3 13:55 cm owen: you can either store your records as marc or marcxml, and choose to use one or the other with rebuild_zebra.pl 13:52 paul_p ftherese, yep 13:52 ftherese perl that is 13:52 ftherese paul_p: so I need to do something like ./translate install fr-FR? 13:52 owen Okay, that's new to me. What is the difference between indexing as xml and the standard? 13:51 cm we're indexing as xml 13:51 munin 04Bug 3326: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml 13:51 cm owen: i think the ampersand issue has something to do with this bug: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 13:50 chris_n snap 13:50 owen Oh here it is: http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14685 13:50 magnus owen: yeah, probably 13:50 owen magnus: Perhaps a library that had been in negotiations with LibLime for a while? 13:49 * magnus wonders why anyone would choose LLEK at this time... 13:49 owen chris_n: Where? 13:49 owen Exactly. 13:48 cm yeah, i think the sysprefs were changed to separate the xslt templates for the opac & intranet (they were both using the same template at one time), and now the ability is there to have it, but the template doesn't exist. 13:47 * chris_n notes another migration to closed-source LLEK 13:46 kf XSLTResultsDisplay Show biblio records on result page in the staff client - I set it on using xslt stylesheet but not sure it changed anything 13:46 cm the opac search results did the same thing; i submitted a patch that fixed it, though it was probably kind of a hack. 13:46 owen cm: I don't think I've seen that 13:45 cm where they show up as "&" 13:45 kf xslt stylesheet 13:45 kf Im not sure, but perhaps you could already add a xslt template for search results in 3.2, I think there is a sysprf 13:44 owen What problem with ampersands? 13:44 owen There is some work in progress which should improve display of subtitles. 13:43 cm thanks. i think the search results page is where i'm missing them the most, though. there are a couple issues that i think would be easier to fix in xslt, like adding subtitles and the problem with ampersands. 13:43 kf cm: I tested them, detail works fine 13:41 owen cm: They are in the latest version, at least for the detail page. Not for the search results page. 13:40 cm do you know if anyone's planning on adding xslt templates for the staff interface? iirc, they're not in 3.2 yet. 13:39 cm hi owen! 13:39 owen Hi cm 13:27 ftherese1 I had more success here in the past 13:27 ftherese1 that's why I came here ;) 13:26 paul_p ftherese1, and we have a french channel (very quiet...) on freenode, #koha-fr 13:26 ftherese1 je m'y met 13:26 ftherese1 alors... thanks 13:25 paul_p look in misc/translator directory 13:25 ftherese1 salut paul_p 13:25 paul_p ftherese1, you're right, git doesn't include localized koha. But it includes the translations & the tool to generate them 13:25 paul_p bonjour ftherese 13:24 ftherese1 + how do I add it? 13:23 ftherese1 hello... why do you suppose git doesn't supply the french install stuff? 12:50 kf gmcharlt: I tried to describe what our program does, just ask if its not clear what I meant 12:48 gmcharlt kf: thanks 12:48 kf gmcharlt: just send you another mail with the sample data from yesterday converted for import into koha 12:46 Ropuch Maybe there's a way to have reminders send to list automagically by callendar app on koha-community ;> 12:45 Ropuch ;> 12:44 jwagner At least you remembered that there WAS a meeting, unlike some of us :-) 12:42 hilongo I guess I'm a little late for the meeting 12:42 hilongo good morning everyone :) 12:42 kf I think it should be possible to deactivate some of those warnings 12:38 jwagner trickery++ 12:37 nengard have tricked the system by editing the db directly - not good practice but i need to get this image :) 12:37 owen Will someone be sending out an official notice of the next Koha General meeting date and time? 12:35 * jwagner speculates, sheer perversity? 12:34 owen Koha has NEVER before blocked a checkout because a patron had overdues. I don't know why it should start now. 12:34 * chris_n also offers regrets for missing the meeting this morning 12:32 kf this patron has overdoes, still want to check out another book? y/n 12:32 nengard grrr - okay 12:32 kf I think the yellow box should be something like 12:32 kf you cant check out to a patron with an overdue book right now 12:31 nengard well when i specify to make the due date a diff date it still won't check out 12:30 kf yes 12:30 nengard kf meaning today is the day the item is due? 12:29 kf nengard: I was testing notices and fines and this bug forced me to change all my test cases :( 12:29 kf nengard: it should at least be overdue 12:28 kf nengard: it blocks because its the day the item is due I think... which makes no sense 12:24 nengard and if the system thought there was a reason wouldn't it be in the log ... well maybe not if it's not an error - just a reason ... grrr 12:23 nengard if the patron has at least one item overdue (which I need) then i can't check out 12:23 nengard tried lots of combos 12:23 nengard did that 12:22 jwagner Try a different patron/item? 12:22 nengard jwagner - from the meeting minutes 12:22 nengard but the system does think there is a reason .... so how do i find that reason so i can get the darn thing to let me check out so i can get the screenshots I need??? :) 12:22 jwagner ? 12:21 * owen likes the "patch of the month" suggestion 12:21 kf bad bug 12:21 jwagner Basically, the system thinks there's a reason not to allow checkout/renewal, but the screen doesn't know what the reason is so it displays the empty box. 12:21 kf yes 12:21 jwagner I think there are a couple of other related bugs, this was the one that came up in the search. 12:20 nengard grrr 12:20 nengard ick - that's a big issue 12:20 * owen shakes his fist at Bug 4036 12:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING 12:19 jwagner nengard, see Bug 4036 12:19 nengard i'm having a problem that makes no sense - i can't seem to check out an item to a patron with an overdue item - i don't get a message pop up - just an empty yellow box and there are no errors in the log file ... but i have no preferences set that should stop me from checking the item out .... ideas? 12:18 jwagner There was a meeting? 12:17 * owen reading the meeting log, offering regrets for being absent 12:16 hdl_laptop juan|away: no time for that at the moment but quite interested. 11:52 juan were are going to commit a new development, our Fines in days module, which has differences with the one that will be included in new version of Koha 11:50 juan one question. Anybody could review or test our development about Mail in Koha? 11:29 Genji night all. 11:29 Genji me too. sleep callith. 11:28 hdl_laptop thanks 11:26 mason thanks again galen 11:25 tajoli is ok 11:25 tajoli sorry 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May 11:25 Colin sweet dreams of successful tests 11:25 * thd needs to sleep shortly 11:25 tajoli for me 9:00 UTC+0 on 5 May is ok 11:25 thd good night chris 11:24 * chris goes to sleep 11:24 gmcharlt ok, thanks all 11:23 * mason waves at irma 11:23 IrmaCalyx Irma from CALYX - sooo sorry I am late - Hi all :-) 11:23 hdl_laptop ok for me 11:21 chris but yeah, have a look in the t dir 11:21 chris the directory structure where the tests live 11:20 thd chris: what is not true? 11:19 chris gmcharlt: works for me 11:19 chris actually most of it is true 11:19 chris thats not quite true anymore, but its a good start 11:18 gmcharlt 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May? 11:18 magnus chris: nice, hadn't seen that 11:18 gmcharlt ok, then I think we're ready for the final agenda item, setting the time of the next meeting 11:18 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:unit_testing 11:17 chris kf: its actually not too hard, its easier if you do the test first, then write the code so that it passes 11:17 Ropuch :) 11:17 kf magnus++ :) 11:17 magnus a little howto on tests, or a pointer to some good ones, would be appreciated then :-) 11:17 kf how difficult is it to write test cases? 11:16 chris :) 11:16 chris or at least 80% 11:16 chris we need that about 88% higher 11:15 chris its about 12% 11:15 chris he has been testing test coverage of koha 11:15 chris larsw will be pestering us all about that 11:15 gmcharlt did I say it was a good idea? 11:15 chris :) 11:15 gmcharlt good idea 11:15 gmcharlt really, really, really 11:15 gmcharlt adding test cases is a really, really, really, really 11:15 gmcharlt and if the changes involving more than just textual formats 11:14 collum ok 11:14 gmcharlt i.e., what chris said 11:14 gmcharlt collum: yes, but with caveats 11:14 chris only if you do it an separate patch 11:14 collum If we are working on a file that has code that does not conform to the standards, should we refactor? 11:13 gmcharlt 2. we'll add a standing agenda item to discuss specific changes to the coding guidelines 11:13 gmcharlt 1. we'll wait nengard's tutorial (you mean you aren't done yet? ;) 11:13 gmcharlt to sum up 11:13 gmcharlt ok 11:13 gmcharlt and hopefully soon a small army of module maintainers and bug wranglers 11:12 Genji Back in the long distant past of koha, there was CVS... everyone committed patches to it... and features and some libraries just used a cvs dump to run..if a bad patch or feature went in, and a library dled and ran with the cvs... but now we have Git, RM's and QA's... fantastic. 11:12 gmcharlt chris: worth trying 11:12 thd chris++ 11:12 chris patches of the month :) 11:12 chris to use as examples 11:11 thd Do as is stated not as one sees. 11:11 chris maybe we (you and I) could pick a good patch or 2 each month 11:11 thd That is the greatest problem 11:11 chris yup 11:11 Colin what might help is some good examples (the codebase does not always supply them) 11:11 kf I think im one of the beginners who will need help to make patches better 11:10 kf tutorials would help here 11:10 Colin plus if we fix them all we continue to get rogue patches 11:10 chris *nod* 11:10 gmcharlt or who is clearly eager but needs guidance on coding 11:09 gmcharlt I give more leeway to somebody who is a new contributor 11:09 gmcharlt Genji: generally, yes 11:09 chris yep, we have been quite lenient about that in the past, but with the volume of patches now, the RM can no longer fix them 11:09 Genji its not the RM or QA's responsibility to make a patch conform to guidelines, even if the patch is great and successful, if it doesn't conform, back it goes to the patcher? 11:09 thd Held over with gentle encouragement for the kittens I presume 11:08 gmcharlt it will be held over until any problems are fixed 11:08 gmcharlt and it is quite possible that we'll have to get to the point that if you are an active contributor and submit a patch that doesn't follow the guidelines 11:08 chris as does QA 11:07 gmcharlt but ultimately, coding guidelines are driving by everybody who is submitting patches, with the caveat that the RM has discretion about rejecting patches that just don't work or don't follow the guidelines 11:06 gmcharlt nengard: I don't want to put you off - I agree that a tutorial is a good thing, and I agree that there is a real need for better editorial work and organization on the wiki 11:05 chris lots of people can't make the meetings 11:05 chris sounds like a plan to me, and i think that any ideas should be added to that wiki page and talked about on koha-devel too 11:05 gmcharlt but limit it to just 2 or 3 gudineline items a month 11:05 hdl_laptop gmcharlt++ 11:05 gmcharlt i.e., not to make it completely open 11:05 gmcharlt I further propose that specific points of change be added to that agenda item each month 11:04 gmcharlt to make it easier to manage (i.e., to not have it turn into discussions that are not concreate enought to act on) 11:04 gmcharlt well, there's clearly a desire, so I propose that we go ahead and set up the standing agenda item I mentioned 11:03 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines#pod 11:03 chris yep, thats in the guidelines already 11:03 tajoli guidelines 11:03 thd I may be heading for a time crash lasting a few weeks but I will persevere 11:03 tajoli And guidelene to write perldoc comment inside them 11:02 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines 11:02 thd I would be willing to contribute to that as well as documenting some arcana with which I am especially familiar. 11:02 tajoli About automatic estraction of info in C4:: ? 11:02 gmcharlt we can do that 11:02 gmcharlt if we want to do some like making discussing the coding guidliness a stnading agenda item for the general IRC meetings 11:01 chris the coding guidelines on the wiki are a good start 11:01 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: nothing stopping anybody from doing it whenever 11:01 nengard thd is it still there? someone could take that and update it - or lots of someones 11:01 gmcharlt which is not to say that the final result couldn't benefit from editorial cleanup, which you could contribute to, nicole 11:01 hdl_laptop But when should we start talking about that ? 11:01 chris i agree 11:01 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: ok. 11:01 thd nengard: we once had a now out of date document about the coding standards in kohadocs.org 11:00 gmcharlt either on koha-devel or on the wiki 11:00 nengard no offense taken - but i don't see anyone who should be writing it jumping in :) 11:00 gmcharlt normative dev standards *must* be *openly* discussed by *all* active developers 11:00 Genji An idea, is to create a wikibook? 11:00 gmcharlt but, no offense, you are not the one to write the latter 11:00 tajoli For me is clear that I need to coordinate SQL docs with this effort 11:00 nengard and in both cases i couldn't do it alone 11:00 nengard well i think we need both 10:59 thd nengard: Whereof one does not know one can ask and cajole. 10:59 gmcharlt nengard: I think the main issue is that I was concerned whether you were right a tutorial or (as I think some others may have been wanting) normative documentation that sets development standards and policies 10:59 nengard the problem is i can't write it alone - cause i don't know what i don't know :) 10:58 * Genji nods. "Can always ask first, then if that fails, xml it.' 10:58 nengard gmcharlt my goal was to get something written to make people new to koha and possibly to programming to feel more comfortable jumping in ... but i don't think i made that clear and so i have no clue where we are with developer docs since so many people had opinions :) 10:58 tajoli Hi [tajoli = Zeno Tajoli , CILEA], for developer documentation I think that my offer about MySQL is under this topic 10:58 chris i have xml of all the bugs, if that doesnt pan out tho .. it would be much nicer to get the db of course 10:57 chris it is a possibility 10:57 Genji with PTFS acquiring liblime, its possible that you could get bugzilla's actual database, chris? 10:57 * kf = Katrin Fischer, BSZ 10:56 gmcharlt next agenda item is developer documentation 10:56 gmcharlt ok, moving on 10:56 gmcharlt chris: cool 10:56 chris (we have the ok to host it, just need to make it happen but the urgency came off a little bit, but the plan is still to move it afaik) 10:56 * nengard = Nicole Engard (who is late) 10:55 * chris makes sure to follow that up with the sysadmins tomorrow 10:55 chris kf: yes, catalyst will probably be hosting it 10:55 mason ok, i thought so... 10:54 chris yep, you can change the default assignees easily that way 10:54 mason can that re-assigning be done easily using the web-gui? 10:54 kf will bugzilla move to koha-community.org too? 10:53 chris ah yes 10:51 gmcharlt I think main thing hanging over is updating the bug assignees 10:51 gmcharlt ok, moving on to follow-up from action items from previous meeting 10:51 chris nor me 10:50 mason none from me 10:49 hdl_laptop any questions ? 10:48 thd Thanks for the clarification 10:48 hdl_laptop yes. 10:47 hdl_laptop to take file patchs and urls instead of being hradcoded. 10:47 gmcharlt which were not forward-compatible with work being done in 3.2 10:47 hdl_laptop change on xslt preferences. 10:47 thd hdl_laptop: In what way are xsltfiles a problem? 10:46 hdl_laptop as soon as those two problems can be coped with 10:46 chris cool 10:46 hdl_laptop Yes. 10:46 chris you are still planning a 3.0.6 release? 10:45 hdl_laptop I also have to care about some reserves isssues that were reported on the koha-fr channel 10:44 hdl_laptop But the branch is stable enough 10:43 chris ill drop him an email first thing in the morning when im more coherent 10:43 hdl_laptop 3.0.x still has one problem I have to cope with : xsltfiles. 10:43 chris will do 10:43 gmcharlt chris, why don't you see if cfouts will help you set up the new branch and permissions 10:43 gmcharlt right 10:43 chris or, shift git 10:43 chris so we will need cfouts help with that 10:42 * chris tests .. nope i cant push a new branch 10:42 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: good morning - let's move on to the 3.0.x update 10:42 gmcharlt chris: starting to 10:42 chris you just pushed a bunch now gmcharlt ? 10:40 hdl_laptop here 10:40 chris i think so 10:40 kf hi, sorry for being late 10:40 gmcharlt was it brendan who offerred to host git.k-c.org? 10:39 gmcharlt chris: sounds good 10:39 chris i think ill make a new_features branch and then when we branch 3.2.x for maintenance merge that back into master .. i think thats easiest 10:37 chris Colin: and any that look like new features that i could pull that would be most excellent 10:37 Colin gmcharlt: ok 10:36 chris but we will need to give fredericd permission to push up po files 10:36 gmcharlt Colin: if you would start QM work now and do a patch testing and signoffs for 3.2 and give me pullable chunks of testable patches, that would be a good thing 10:36 chris i have permission to push, for 3.0.x anyway 10:35 chris yup 10:35 gmcharlt either way, we'll either new help getting gitosis perms worked out on git.koha.org or get git.koha-community.org up 10:35 chris whatever is easier for you 10:34 chris im easy either way, one big merge at the end or smaller ones along the way 10:34 gmcharlt althernative is a future branch that gets merged into master when we split off 3.2 for maintenance 10:33 gmcharlt chris: a 3.2 branch with new stuff going into master is fine, though you'll need to merge often over the next few weeks if we do it that way 10:33 gmcharlt Colin: about 150 bugfixes patches, and more features patches, some of which are masquerading as bugfixes 10:31 chris a 3.4 branch ... or a 3.2 branch and the features go into master? 10:31 Colin gmcharlt: How big is the backlog? 10:30 gmcharlt and if chris doesn't mind, I think we're in a position where a 3.4 branch should be started soon to accept the new features that keep coming in 10:29 mason = Mason James, KohaAloha. NZ 10:29 mason oops, running late... 10:29 gmcharlt re 3.2 - I'm working on the backlog of patches that have been submitted - will be pushing the bugfixes with aim of getting a 3.2 alpha 2 out the door in a couple weeks 10:28 gmcharlt - Agree times of next meetings. 10:28 gmcharlt - Developer documentation 10:28 gmcharlt - Follow-up on actions from [[meetingnotes10mar03]]. 10:28 gmcharlt - Update on [[:en:development:roadmap3.0]]. 10:28 gmcharlt - Update on [[:en:development:roadmap3.2]]. 10:28 gmcharlt agenda is 10:28 gmcharlt small, intimate meeting, I see :) 10:26 Colin Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe 10:25 chilts Andy Chilton, Catalyst IT 10:25 * Genji = Waylon Robertson, mandumah.com edusearch devel, 33rd contributor, Palmerston North, New Zealand. 10:25 magnus Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:25 collum Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library 10:24 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:24 * chris = Chris Cormack, TM, Catalyst 10:24 thd Thomas Dukleth, Aggme, New York City 10:24 * Ropuch = Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE 10:24 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, RM, Equinox 10:23 gmcharlt round of intros 10:23 gmcharlt let's get this meeting started 10:23 gmcharlt belatedly 10:23 gmcharlt so .... 10:23 gmcharlt so maybe he'll jump in 10:23 gmcharlt I saw hdl_laptop was here 1.5 hours ago 10:23 thd paul_p: are you present? 10:23 chris i think so 10:22 thd we may be missing informed content about the state of 3.0 10:22 gmcharlt well, do we have a quorum to get started now? 10:21 thd 7 is less manageable for me 10:21 Genji so, whos meeting chair? 10:20 chris yeah 7 is more managable 10:20 chris there ya go 10:20 thd 6.20 AM in Florida 10:20 gmcharlt good morning - sorry, thought 10:00 UTC+0 would be 07:00 EDT 10:19 chris its what 5.20am or something? 10:19 Ropuch ;> 10:19 chris i suspect the time of this meeting is pretty bad for non insomniacs (like thd :)) 10:18 Genji anyway, im here. Hiya chris. 10:18 chris just not a reminder sent out yesterday 10:18 chris and posted on the koha-community.org site and the wiki 10:17 chris and they were both announced (the community handover meeting this morning and this one) 10:17 Genji ah... hmm.. okay. 10:17 chris that was the meetng this morning genji 10:17 Genji "All koha subcommitteee members were contacted to discuss whether any point in us meeting: answer no. Chris, Galen et al are all equally up with the play as I am." from joann 10:16 Genji first i knew of this meeting, is the committee saying that the entire committee says its unnecessary to attend this meeting? no progress has occured on koha.org 10:13 thd This should be a lesson to us in the absence of reminders people will forget. 10:13 thd I have been making many reminders and reminding others about reminders. 10:12 chris no 10:12 thd Was there no reminder for this meeting? 10:12 chris yep we need gmcharlt to talk to that point to 10:12 thd http://old.nabble.com/wiki.koha-community.org-td27799812.html 10:11 * thd hunts for the link 10:10 thd I could propose a topic if of discussion if no one is yet present to cover important agenda items 10:09 chris if people want to, i have nothing to talk about 10:07 thd chris: are you starting the meeting for the presently assembled? 10:07 thd hdl_laptop: ping 10:06 chris hdl_laptop was here earlier 10:05 thd Do we have anyone to cover 3.0? 10:05 chris we could cover the other items on the agenda, and anything else people want to talk about as well 10:04 chris but we probably need gmcharlt if it is to be useful, at least for the 3.2 bit 10:04 magnus me 2 10:04 Colin I'm here 10:04 Ropuch Me too 10:04 chris i am 10:03 thd who is here? 10:02 thd who is conducting the meeting? 10:00 Genji huh... christmas island is ahead of new zealand... 10:00 kf bbl 09:59 kf oh :( will miss most of it I think 09:58 Genji yes, i believe, in 2 minutes time? 09:58 thd not me 09:58 kf oh, today is meeting? 09:56 Genji whos actually awake? 09:36 Genji cool. 09:35 magnus Genji: yup http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10apr07 09:35 Genji Theres a community meeting of some sort today? 09:34 Genji Guess it never has. 09:34 Genji Yes.... my GenjiScreen has been continuously lurking, waiting to be the first connection, if the server ever goes down.. 09:33 thd Genji: and no one seems to have permissions to set a topic :) 09:31 Genji Hmm..... theres a distinct lack of Topic: 09:30 Genji hiya all! 09:29 chris according to my calculations 09:29 magnus goody 09:29 chris yup 09:28 magnus the meeting is in half an hour, right? 09:21 thd fredericd: are you present? 09:14 kf hi miguel 09:14 chris hi miguel 09:14 miguel hi all 09:13 chris cool, she speaks german 09:13 kf yes 09:13 chris i have a friend from nz who now lives in fribourg 09:12 chris you will be speaking in german eh? 09:11 chris very cool 09:11 kf yes :) 09:10 chris in zurich? 09:10 kf http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/inetbib2010/ 09:10 chris kf: ohh cool 09:09 * chris wishes he could go, hdl_laptop say hi to bruno and arnaud from me 09:09 kf I will give a talk on koha next week 09:08 chris kf: its worth going just to see that library :) 09:07 hdl_laptop yes 09:07 chris hdl_laptop: is it at the SAN OP library ? 09:07 hdl_laptop chris Yes. 09:07 chris hdl_laptop: you should put that up on koha-community.org 09:07 kf I regret that I took Russian in school and not French :( 09:06 hdl_laptop http://docmiop.wordpress.com/symposium-koha/ 09:06 hdl_laptop I think so 09:06 kf hdl_laptop: and thx for the offer! 09:05 kf hm but will be in french? 09:05 kf hdl_laptop: I hope I have time to work on it today after work, will write you an email if zebra stays stubborn 09:05 hdl_laptop btw there should be a symposium about Koha in France by the end of May 09:04 hdl_laptop you can have some clues using zebraidx -S 09:04 hdl_laptop What you tested 09:04 hdl_laptop What you want 09:04 hdl_laptop what you did 09:04 hdl_laptop can you describe that in details in an email. So that we can spare time. 09:02 kf hdl_laptop: I have a problem with zebra and adding new indexes and chris recommended you as zebra guru. but the problem is on my laptop at home, so you are save :) 09:00 kf hi hdl_laptop 09:00 kf :) 08:56 chris there he is :) 08:55 hdl_laptop hi chris 08:54 chris ahhh hdl_laptop is a guru with that 08:49 kf will need some help later with zebra :( I tried adding a new index for record control numbers (used for linking bibs to each other in $w) 08:47 kf chris: no problem :) 08:46 chris kf: thanks for that 08:37 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 33.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa. 08:37 Amit_G @wunder Dehradun 08:37 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.4�C (10:30 AM CEST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). 08:37 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:37 kf hi Amit_g 08:37 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 08:37 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 08:37 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (1:30 PM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 08:37 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi 08:37 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 32.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. 08:37 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore 08:36 munin Amit_G: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command. 08:36 Amit_G @wounder Bangalore 08:36 Amit_G heya kf 08:36 kf ok, done 08:35 chris that works :-) 08:32 kf not sure how to attach it, I will add a link to the mailing list archive 08:31 kf ah ok 08:30 chris yeah i applied it locally then ran the update on the german files 08:30 kf hi Ropuch 08:30 kf chris: do you want me to attach it? I was not sure it was what you did before updating pootle 08:28 kf ok 08:27 Ropuch Hi kf, chris 08:27 chris but yeah would be good to attach it 08:26 chris yep, not sure it has been pushed yet 08:25 kf chris: there was some confusion (ebegin asked about the bug on irc), because no patch attached - I saw that hdl wrote a patch (http://spedr.com/2lwnl) 08:17 chris cool 08:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4208 critical, P1, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 08:16 kf chris: bug 4208 08:14 kf chris: I tested the po files from pootle yesterday, so far I found no untranslated buttons :) 08:13 kf hi chris and paul_p 08:11 chris hiya paul_p 08:11 paul_p hello chris & kf & al 08:02 chris 4am 08:01 chris i think its the middle of the night in the US 07:54 kf jwagner: around? 07:15 kf good morning #koha 06:48 magnus hi Amit_G 06:48 Amit_G heya Ropuch, magnus 06:13 magnus good morning, #koha! 06:12 Ropuch Morning #koha 05:47 kohamongol hello 05:47 ineedhelpkoha I really really need help 05:46 ineedhelpkoha is there anyone who knows about koha, 05:46 kohamongol sds 05:46 ineedhelpkoha hi, everybody 05:41 kohamongol hi, everybody 05:41 kohamongol hi, alll 03:34 Amit_G hi brendan, chris 03:33 brendan hi Amit_G 03:29 chris heya mason 03:29 brendan mason++ 03:29 brendan heya mason 03:28 * mason waves at brendan/chris 03:28 chris :) 03:28 brendan spelling is failing me 03:27 brendan I think we should right a letter of recommendation from koha-community 03:27 chris the fools 03:27 brendan last I heard MIT was a no :( 03:27 chris i hope MIT 03:26 brendan I wonder where he's going to uni next year 03:26 brendan I miss pisnohacker 03:26 chris yeah havent seen him for ages 03:24 munin brendan: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <pianohacker> that's all :) 03:24 brendan @seen pianohacker 01:51 brendan hiya chris_n 01:43 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 23.5�C (9:44 PM EDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Steady). 01:43 chris_n @wunder 28334 01:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 13.8�C (9:09 PM EDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising). 01:34 brendan @wunder 06516 01:33 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (6:20 PM PDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Falling). 01:33 brendan @wunder 93117 00:13 chris curry yet? :) 00:12 chilts hiya :) 00:11 chris hey chilts