Time  Nick        Message
18:00 * chris_n   hates being invite to webinars that don't support *nix
17:31 juan|away   gmcharlt: hi, galen
16:19 kf          ok, time to ignore my tickets :) - bye #koha
15:52 kf          i need clones too
15:52 * kf        wrote myself a lot of tickets, feel a little overwhelmed now
15:51 jdavidb__   Enough of me to get *half* of what I need to do finished, maybe.
15:51 kf          ?
15:50 kf          clonesß
15:50 * jdavidb__ peers quizzically at jdavidb and jdavidb_.
15:20 jmill2010   just need to confirm :)
15:08 jmill2010   thanks!
15:08 jmill2010   awesome
15:07 jmill2010   yes, owen, it is random
15:06 owen        jmill2010: If it's a random combination of circumstances you'll probably have to use the "specify due date" widget on the circulation page
15:04 jmill2010   i mean it can be any student, depending on financial need, and it can be any type of book, depending on availability
15:01 jdavidb     you be4tcha.
15:01 jdavidb     (and it pumps them into zebraqueue, so they'll reindex automatically.)
15:00 kf          jdavidb: I think this is the easiest way for us right now - thank you :)
15:00 jdavidb     it treats the item-table stuff as official, and recreates the 952s from it for all biblios.
15:00 jdavidb     yep.  I've used it several times.
14:59 kf          is this script save in a production environment?
14:59 jmill2010   some students (patrons) are allowed to check out certain books for the entire semester, how would you set that up in Koha, or is it a matter of just having the option to override at circ
14:59 kf          hm. ok, so I need to update marcxml and item in the database
14:59 jdavidb     you'd need to run misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl, which would clean up the marc/marcxml, and reindex for you.
14:58 jdavidb     The other method won't change the marc/marcxml, so reindexing would not do any good.
14:58 kf          jdavidb: will the other method work too?
14:57 kf          jdavidb: not sure I know enough perl
14:57 jmill2010   i have a question :)
14:57 jmill2010   hi all
14:56 jdavidb     kf, you would save yourself some pain and suffering by getting the itemnumbers, and feeding them to C4::Items::ModItem.  That would take care of the marc/marcxml changes, and the indexing, all in one run.
14:54 kf          question :) I need to change the shelving location for a call range in 3.1.61 (no batch editing) - is there an easy way to do this? will it be enough to change items table and reindex?
14:50 juan        It works perfect under a proxy, but i would receive any oppinion about this change
14:49 gmcharlt    ok
14:48 juan        when i have it commited, i'll send a message to koha-devel
14:48 juan        and you can evaluate them
14:48 juan        anyway, i will commit my changes to our repository in github
14:48 juan        gmcharlt: ok, i'll try
14:47 gmcharlt    try opening a bug on CPAN and attaching the patch
14:47 gmcharlt    eh, that's unfortunate
14:47 juan        gmcharlt: a few months ago  I send an email to CPAN Session.pm author, but i have no answer yet
14:46 gmcharlt    juan: sure - send a patch; I'm pretty sure that the CGI::Session folks also accept patches
14:46 chris_n     juan: it seems you may need to be running mod_perl which iirc causes some issues for koha
14:45 juan        and if I dont have to change Session.pm from cpan, is better ...
14:44 juan        gmcharlt: now, when I implement a koha into a new server, i have to put my Session.pm version and my C4::Auth.pm changed, but I think koha would be modified to take into account this issue
14:43 Sharon      might have to put in an enhancement bug for that.  There doesn't seem to be any easy way to delete an approved comment by either the patron or the librarian
14:43 juan        chris_n: yes ..., I think koha does not take into account running it though a proxy
14:42 gmcharlt    Sharon: oddly, that facility doesn't current exist
14:42 chris_n     juan: actually, that link to perlmonks probably does not apply here
14:40 chris_n     opps... but in any case, a fix to Koha's libs would certainly be welcomed I'm sure
14:40 Sharon      Another comments question - how does a patron delete a comment that has been approved? Is there a "my comments" tab that I'm just not seeing?
14:40 juan        chris_n: let me see
14:40 juan        chris_n: I changed cpan's Session.pm, because it resolve only REMOTE_ADDR
14:39 chris_n     juan: see http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=390754 also
14:39 rhcl        Everybody back to sleep...
14:39 rhcl        Nevermind, if you read the third entry there's a quick reference to that.
14:39 juan        i cha
14:38 rhcl        I suppose 3.02 may be the pre 3.2, but maybe a quick line there could explain that?
14:38 chris_n     C4::Auth.pm and C4::Session.pm could be made to also check x-forwarded-for based on a syspref perhaps
14:37 rhcl        But all the links are for 3.02. Is I missing something?
14:37 rhcl        The entry for Feb 3 reads: Tarballs of Koha 3.2 alpha available
14:37 rhcl        On this page: http://koha-community.org/category/3-2/
14:35 juan        but i dont know if it was the better way
14:35 juan        i solved it changing Auth.pm and CGI/Session.pm
14:35 chris_n     s/x-forward/x-forwarded-for/
14:34 juan        i think Squid send the real ip in HTTP_FORWARED_FOR variable
14:34 chris_n     juan: maybe this will help: http://devcentral.f5.com/weblogs/macvittie/archive/2008/06/02/3323.aspx
14:33 juan        but i think is the same situation
14:33 chris_n     only squid
14:33 chris_n     but I've never messed with apache proxy
14:33 * chris_n   seems to remember the need to setup the x-forward header
14:32 juan        and this is a problem, because Auth.pm do not works well
14:32 juan        it detects the ip from this proxy, not the real ip address of the visitor
14:32 juan        when koha runs though a proxy server
14:30 juan        i would like to talk about apache proxy and how session.pm handle ip remote addresses
14:30 juan        hi all
14:29 kf          ok, I will write a ticket for my colleague to make you a nice package :)
14:28 gmcharlt    kf: sounds lovely
14:28 kf          gmcharlt: I was a little worried to give you data from one of our libraries without asking them. But I talked to my colleague and she told me I can order the changes of one day in our union catalog with authorities but without holding data (dont know how big this will get...) - is this ok for you?
14:26 gmcharlt    kf: I am
14:26 kf          gmcharlt: hi gmcharlt, still interested in marc21 data from our union catalog?
14:24 rhcl        So much better than the usual big children....
14:23 * gmcharlt  welcomes the invasion of cats, puppies, and small children to #koha ;)
14:23 owen        Mxyzptlk
14:22 chris_n     btegbteg
14:21 juan        asdfasdf
14:07 Sharon      I'll keep and eye on it and report back!
14:06 * owen      would love to hear if your library has success with their campaign
14:05 Sharon      great.  So they can be long winded, if they want to be.  Thank you, Owen.
14:04 owen        (type: text)
14:04 owen        Sharon: There's not a limit on the database field which contains the review text
14:02 Sharon      Good morning - quick question.  Are there any limits to how long a Comment can be in the OPAC?  I have a library who wants to encourage adding book reviews to the catalog.
14:00 * gmcharlt  votes for collum as long as he gets the equipment contract ;)
13:59 * chris_n   quickly casts his vote for collum
13:56 * collum    as a bureaucrat wants to spend $20 so $10 items won't get lost.
13:55 gmcharlt    hi hdl_laptop
13:54 collum      Once again we come to my dream of RFID with GPS.
13:52 owen        If my shelf were intelligent and networked it could tell me if the right books were on it
13:52 chris_n     howdy hdl_laptop & paul_p
13:52 hdl_laptop  hi all
13:52 chris_n     if shelf-reading really worked, it seems that inventory would be instantaneous and continual
13:50 chris_n     collum: it depends on the language the rfid tags are encoded in.... ;-)
13:47 collum      I always wondered, but never investigated.
13:47 gmcharlt    I don't know how directional it is
13:47 gmcharlt    collum: I think it's less specific - distince of tag from scanner
13:47 owen        collum: I think they pick up everything within their range without any sequence, but I don't really know
13:47 collum      If there is a stack of items with RFID tags?
13:47 gmcharlt    hi paul_p
13:46 collum      Good morning paul_p
13:46 collum      Do RFID scanners read from left to right or do they pick up the tag with the most strength?
13:46 owen        Hi paul_p
13:46 paul_p      hello owen & chris_n & nengard & gmcharlt & collum : good morning !
13:43 owen        gmcharlt: What I was later told was that no RFID technology can pinpoint the position of a tag that accurately
13:41 collum      Shelf reading is traditionally the reward shelvers receive when there's nothing left to shelve.
13:40 * gmcharlt  wonders if that has worked for anybody in practice
13:39 owen        Tell if the books are in order
13:39 chris_n     shelf-read == tell if it is on the shelf or not?
13:34 owen        In fact we were told that RFID would shelf-read for us too
13:34 owen        That's what we were told in 2001 or whenever we first heard about RFID at the library
13:33 chris_n     so with rfid, one presumably could just walk down the stacks and inventory would be automagic?
13:32 chris_n     hehe
13:30 owen        "Cataloging: No one can hear you scream (because you're in the basement)"
13:30 owen        I can see a whole list of library-related articles based on horror movie tag lines: "Reference Desk: Don't. Fall. Asleep."
13:29 nengard     LOL
13:29 nengard     awesome!!
13:29 owen__      Either that or "Inventory: Be very afraid!"
13:28 owen__      Well then nengard, hopefully I'll have an item for the May Koha newsletter: "Inventory: What are you all afraid of?"
13:26 nengard     not that i know of - i always show how to do it - but never had a library tell me after the fact that they did it
13:25 owen__      nengard, I'll ask you what I asked jdavidb: Have any of your Koha libraries done inventory?
13:22 nengard     just have to get back into the swing of things - that's hard
13:22 kf          good to hear that!
13:21 nengard     thanks kf - so far this morning is going much better
13:21 owen__      Hand me some preserves, it'll keep me out of a jam
13:21 kf          hi nengard - hope you feel better
13:21 chris_n     s/preserve/preserver/
13:21 nengard     hiya
13:21 owen__      I always forget just how many times a VirtualBox upgrade will kill my connection
13:21 chris_n     heya nengard
13:20 * chris_n   hands owen__ a life preserve
13:18 * owen      prepares to go under
13:16 hdl_laptop  you can even choose which items to consider IN your inventory
13:15 owen        hdl_laptop: I see, when you're running post-inventory reports you can configure which statuses will be ignored
13:12 kf          3297 words need attention                        ... it never ends
13:12 hdl_laptop  You can choose to ignore items which are "damaged", withdrawn....
13:11 hdl_laptop  Here you are
13:11 hdl_laptop  http://imagebin.ca/view/mNT3OoF.html
13:07 owen        I don't understand... "special status items?"
13:05 hdl_laptop  But it was dealing with circulation and all the special status items.
13:05 hdl_laptop  Maybe not sent.
13:04 hdl_laptop  mm it is not in master.
13:02 owen        We're not using 3.2 in production, so I'm curious what kind of problems you've solved.
13:01 owen        hdl_laptop: Can you describe what kind of changes you made?
13:01 hdl_laptop  SHould be in master now.
13:00 hdl_laptop  Some things were not really neat about circulation process.
13:00 hdl_laptop  owen: we worked on inventory for 3.2.
12:50 jwagner     OK, I'll send this out as a patch in a few minutes.  Thanks for checking.
12:50 owen        Yes, absolutely
12:49 owen        Oh sorry I was looking at the OPAC
12:49 jwagner     OPAC, yes, but not staff
12:49 jwagner     There weren't any existing divs in the staff advanced search.
12:49 owen        Or are the existing ones not in groupings you're looking for?
12:49 owen        jwagner: I think you could just add IDs to the existing divs couldn't you?
12:47 munin`      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4353 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Add div tags to staff advanced search page
12:47 jwagner     owen, see Bug 4353 -- is this the correct approach?
12:46 jdavidb     C4::Items::ModItem++    # it takes care of marc and marcxml 952s, and reindexes when necessary, very intelligently.
12:44 jdavidb     If you can snag the barcodes of all those items, should be easy enough to write a little script to shove 'em all past C4::Items::ModItem for that.
12:43 owen        Right. I think the only thing we're going to want which isn't built in is a mass update of items not found. A global "missing in inventory" lost setting for those items.
12:42 jdavidb     'bout like Unicorn's system, then.  Mark everything "seen", then look for things that aren't checked out, but haven't been "seen" since before you started wanding items.
12:42 owen        The basic needs are pretty easily met: Check everything in, do a report on which items haven't been seen
12:41 owen        We've gone too long without an inventory, so we're going to take the plunge
12:38 jdavidb     It seems to be one of those tools that everyone wants their ILS to have, but no one actually *wants* to use.
12:37 jdavidb     I haven't heard of any of our customers trying it yet, no.  A couple have talked about it a little, but not seriously.  Whether that's out of FUD from having done it on other systems, or because of lack of other resources to execute, I can't say.
12:36 owen        jdavidb: Have you had any Koha clients conduct inventory using the built-in inventory tool?
12:35 jdavidb     In nearly 20 years in Library IT, on three different ILSes, I've not yet seen a way to do inventory that didn't involve a substantial amount of pain and suffering.
12:35 jdavidb     hehehe.
12:34 owen        :P
12:33 jdavidb     "Doctor, it hurts when we do this."  "Then don't do that."
12:33 owen        Anyone here have any advice about conducting inventory?
12:32 jdavidb     Hi, owen. :)
12:32 owen        Hi #koha
09:33 kf          ah ok :)
09:33 chris       yes, the templates need to be fixed in those cases
09:32 kf          from 3.2 opac
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09:31 kf          " alt="" class="thumbnail" />
09:31 kf          hm, some strings are a bit problematic
09:30 kf          chris++ :)
09:27 chris       cool
09:24 kf          chris: I think it worked - I found some button texts now, will ask my colleague to update our installation on Wednesday (when he is back)
09:19 hdl_laptop  i should have told fredericd rather
09:18 hdl_laptop  fredericd: I saw some new string introduced with jquery 3.2 which looks untranslatable
09:17 hdl_laptop  chris I saw some new string introduced with jquery 3.2 which looks untranslatable
09:11 kf          thx, will take a look later - have to solve another problem first
09:10 chris       kf: http://translate.koha.org/de/intranet3_1/
08:10 kf          just came back, we are playing with our new telephones :)
08:10 kf          chris: oh thank you!
08:08 chris       kf: rebuildng the po files now
08:07 chris       hi paul_p
08:05 paul_p      hello world
07:45 chris       let me check right now
07:44 chris       hdl sent a patch, i have to test it with the frederics new translation script
07:43 kf          chris: any news about button translation?
07:41 kf          hi chris
07:38 chris       hi kf
07:37 kf          good morning
07:35 chris       having to travel a bit round nz this year for koha stuff, and did singapore already
07:34 magnus      ahhh, i see ;-)
07:33 chris       yeah, its not my work budget, but my leaving wife with the kids budget :-)
07:32 magnus      good thing you don't have far to go for KohaCon, then!
07:32 magnus      that was early!
07:31 chris       ohhh, ive kinda blown my travel budget for this year already, but maybe i can do next year :)
07:30 magnus      if you need an excuse: http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/
07:30 magnus      i had a couple days in Helsinki a couple years ago - nice city!
07:29 chris       lars (who is working on the debian packaging) tells me i have to visit finland too
07:29 magnus      goody! make sure you come and visit Bodø, then!
07:29 chris       its on my list to do :)
07:29 magnus      so when are you coming? ;-)
07:28 chris       my parents visited norway last year, and my ex girlfriend lives there, she is married to a norwegian
07:28 magnus      at least NZ got on the news here, can't remember the last time...
07:28 chris       hehe i know
07:27 magnus      we're not all like that, though... ;-)
07:26 magnus      completely understandable!
07:25 magnus      oh, yes
07:25 chris       they arent the most popular ppl in nz at the moment
07:25 chris       heh, that made the news there?
07:25 magnus      i see you have had some norwegian visitors in NZ...
07:24 magnus      hi chris
07:24 chris       hi magnus
07:12 chris       evening
00:17 Nate        gnight #koha!