Time Nick Message
22:32 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zotero <-- is pretty nice
22:32 larsw ack
22:31 chris lets you use something like zotero and build a bibliography
22:31 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COinS
22:30 larsw what are coins in the Koha context?
22:04 chris k
22:01 wizzyrea ;)
22:01 wizzyrea I promise I'll try not to be dense
22:01 wizzyrea the docbook stuff
22:00 wizzyrea oh, chris... I need a little bit of help with the manual, when you have a little bit of time (not today, maybe tomorrow) I'm flummoxed
22:00 chris spotya
22:00 wizzyrea ok, with thtat I'm going home
21:59 wizzyrea assplodey... I'm going to use that more often
21:58 wizzyrea hehe
21:58 chris i mean seriously people!!!!
21:58 chris and maybe i will add in even more case changes
21:58 wizzyrea I like things that don't go assplodey
21:58 chris so that it fails gracefully not asplodes
21:57 * wizzyrea muttesr
21:57 wizzyrea but I will send it to the people who can fix it and see if they can
21:57 chris ill do a real fix for GetCOinsSBiblio
21:57 wizzyrea no :(
21:57 chris in opac-search.pl
21:57 chris cos a quick fix while you wait for the reindex is comment out $_->{coins} = GetCOinSBiblio($_->{'biblionumber'});
21:56 chris you dont have a login to your server eh?
21:55 chris not with a syspref
21:55 wizzyrea i'm not sure
21:55 chris doesnt look like it
21:54 * chris cant recall
21:54 chris can you switch off coins?
21:53 wizzyrea AHAHAHA (lightbulb)
21:53 chris no coins in staff
21:53 wizzyrea so why wouldn't it happen in the staff client... xslt?
21:53 chris # get the coin format my $pos7 = substr $record->leader(), 7, 1;
21:53 chris my ($biblionumber) = @_; my $record = GetMarcBiblio($biblionumber);
21:53 wizzyrea so it would require a full index
21:53 chris its the coins stuff
21:52 chris yes, but koha should handle that more gracefully
21:52 wizzyrea bitchin, I'll pass it on
21:52 chris thats exactly what im telling ya
21:52 wizzyrea ?
21:52 wizzyrea so it's a problem in the index
21:52 wizzyrea is that what you're telling me?
21:52 wizzyrea ok wait... so there's a bib on the first page of results for moon that is nonexistent?
21:51 chris now if the object doesnt exist, that call fails
21:51 chris biblionumber at least, so koha tries to get that biblio from the koha db and make a marc object from it, then call leader on it
21:50 chris whats causing that is zebra is giving it back a biblio, that doesnt exist
21:49 chris lemme look
21:48 chris ive fixed this i think
21:48 chris ah ha
21:45 wizzyrea or new moon
21:45 wizzyrea catalog.nexpresslibrary.org search moon
21:43 wizzyrea re: erik
21:43 wizzyrea chris: we have a situation kind of like that, but the opac search actually errors, where the staff side doesn't
21:20 munin` brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 16.1�C (2:00 PM PDT on March 22, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Falling).
21:20 brendan @weather 93117
20:36 chris wajasu: we have an alpha out, and are fixing bugs, probably will be a second alpha release, and then depending on how that looks a beta sometime after
20:21 wajasu or would this be for showing the virtual shelves in the webpage (i.e. < bk1 bk2 bk3 > )
20:21 wajasu kohagit(Mar12th pull)->Administration->InteraceOptions->virtualshelves. Should this show? "Allow" staff and patrons to create and view saved lists of books
20:18 wajasu i am running on kohagit as well, and wonder when it will be released, because I need to put an instance in production for my library. It will probably run for years, since its a one man library,but i don't want to do a migration in the next year.
20:13 chris_n that is some major weirdness to be sure
20:11 chris that error from erik is weird, has anyone seen a search that works in the staff side but not the opac?
19:55 sekjal I remember driving across Montana... work up on the Western border, drove all day at a "reasonable and prudent" speed, and still went to sleep that night in Montana
19:54 chris hehe
19:54 chris she has a car
19:52 wizzyrea montana is a beeeeg place
19:50 chris send lee to talk to him :)
19:49 chris montana
19:49 richard Bozeman - wherever that is
19:49 gmcharlt *name service
19:49 gmcharlt seriously, to tack on to wizzyrea's poke, I'll need name server for wiki.koha-community.org whenever you can
19:48 gmcharlt richard: where in the States? we'll track him down ;)
19:47 wizzyrea ty kindly for the update
19:47 wizzyrea AHA
19:47 richard bit of a hold up as si is currently on holiday in the usa
19:47 wizzyrea sorry if that's not you
19:47 chris back
19:47 wizzyrea or is that russel?
19:47 * wizzyrea pokes richard about the koha-community.org dns
19:46 wizzyrea hey richard
19:46 richard hi
19:34 wizzyrea at least the pick list will go ahead and pick them
19:34 wizzyrea koha think items that items eligible when the item was on order are still eligible even though their itypes have changed
19:32 wizzyrea it's like throwing the items in the pool, you can't get them out without getting them wet
19:30 wizzyrea the statuses are messed up anyway
19:30 wizzyrea so the item gets sort of abandoned
19:30 wizzyrea but the remote branch can't do anything with it b/c the itype says they shouldn't be able to
19:30 wizzyrea the home branch can still check it in, still gets transited
19:29 wizzyrea i'm not sure I've seen that particular thing pinpointed before
19:29 nengard hmmm
19:29 wizzyrea walk in = no holds
19:29 wizzyrea now, walk in itypes work fine when switched
19:29 wizzyrea so local hold is ignored
19:29 wizzyrea say an item that is destined for local hold is 1st cataloged as on order, then the itype is changed to local hold only, it seems that the items are still in the usual hold pool
19:29 wizzyrea yet
19:29 wizzyrea and I haven't tested it in 3.2
19:29 wizzyrea so I've just discovered something interesting
19:17 gmcharlt regarding course reserves, a mainstream verison of a module would be a nice idea - if you decide to write one, send an email to koha-devel with your proposal to give others a chance to speak up if they have or are already working on one
19:15 gmcharlt wajasu: an INSTALLL.archlinux is a good idea - I'm not familiar with the platform myself, but I assume that anybody using it would be aware of its peculiarities
19:08 wajasu the library I am setting this up for wants a course specific reserve module. is there one on the roadmap? should I write it and contribute it? (like http://man.waldo.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-coursereserves.pl)
19:03 wajasu s/if/is/
19:03 wajasu should I write a INSTALL.archlinux? Or if this linux distribution too risky for folks to run koha on (i.e. when they do a pacman update, they might break their installation, since its a rolling release distribution.
19:01 wajasu i wrote a script to help install all the perl dependencies on archlinux and have been running it in a schroot for both x86 and x86_64.
18:59 gmcharlt wajasu++
18:59 wajasu my koha test box is working well. legacy library db parsed copy catalogued, and marc records built, staged and imported fine. hurray!
18:59 chris ok bus time
18:48 chris_n howdy chris
18:48 * chris_n wonders if having spiders in one's code would help deal with other code bugs?
18:48 wizzyrea good morning chris
18:48 collum s/an/and/
18:48 chris morning
18:47 collum Now I must go pick up the kid, an apologize to the birds.
18:47 collum But I don't know what subfields to include, without the links being annoying.
18:46 collum That's why the 710 was included.
18:46 collum jwagner: all of the authority links are going to have the same problem.
18:46 collum sorry had to run off
18:44 rhcl wizzyrea should be a coder
18:42 * wizzyrea likes automagic
18:39 wizzyrea I could also do things like link the word wiki to the koha wiki
18:39 wizzyrea well, I've made it automagic that when you type IRC in a post on K-c.org it adds the mibbit link
18:35 * jwagner hears plaintive cheeping dying off in the distance
18:34 gmcharlt sufficient to kill bugs - leave the poor birds alone ;)
18:31 collum killing two birds with one patch.
18:31 jwagner That's what I was wondering, why the 710 was in there.
18:30 * collum smacks himself in the head.
18:30 * collum has a revelation. 710 is an author search.
18:30 jwagner collum++ for getting us this far!
18:28 collum A phrase search would be better.
18:28 collum Yep. Still not perfect.
18:28 jwagner (idc etc., that is)
18:27 jwagner At any rate, it's MUCH better than before....
18:27 jwagner Hmmm. Maybe it's using it as a backup? I did the dc=su&q=American Association of University Professors Periodicals flavor.
18:27 * collum once again does not have acces to koha at the moment.
18:27 collum Probably general keyword.
18:26 collum Sorry jwagner. It doesn't search in subject.
18:26 jwagner None of the 710 subfields are indexed in Subject on this system, I think.
18:26 collum Should be a combination of a and b.
18:25 jwagner Interesting -- the search I just did (via subject entry) found a 710a entry.
18:24 collum Instead of United States.
18:24 collum So you search for United States. Department of Health.
18:24 collum Corporate title.
18:24 collum Yep. I added subield b to 710.
18:24 jwagner Those shouldn't be in a subject search, I don't think.
18:23 jwagner It looks like it's also searching on the 710 field? Is that correct?
18:21 * jwagner welcomes chris_n to the Ancient & Honorable Society
18:20 collum And for you catalogers, what subfields should be searched in the 700, 710, and 711 tags?
18:20 chris_n harrumph #for good measure
18:19 jwagner Any cataloger types online who know what other chars might show up in subject headings?
18:19 * jwagner says "my work here is done -- the whole world is now harrumphing!"
18:18 jwagner Shouldn't be hard to write in a line to strip those out. I don't know if there are any other special chars we would need to worry about.
18:18 * collum does a harrumph!
18:18 jwagner The same string without the paren works -- Science Study and teaching Higher United States
18:18 jwagner If a subject string has a paren in it, like Science Study and teaching (Higher) United States, it doesn't find any results.
18:18 collum What's that?
18:17 jwagner Finally getting a chance to test your subject search -- works nicely for the most part, but I think I've found one problem.
18:17 collum present
18:16 jwagner collum, online?
17:09 magnus ;-)
17:09 magnus but i guess it's early days yet, they are obviously adhering to "release early, release often"
17:08 magnus schuster: i was wondering about that too, it actually says "seamless access to materials owned by libraries using FullfILLment", which sounds like it's not going to interoperate with any other systems...
17:01 schuster question about FullFillment - is that going to use the open NSIP or some other generic standard? The website if very non informative as it is in a formative stage I guess.
17:00 wizzyrea kk
17:00 nengard keep me posted and i'll do whatever to help out
17:00 * wizzyrea is learining a lot about Jade/OpenJade
17:00 nengard k
17:00 wizzyrea I have a couple of ideas
17:00 wizzyrea I think
17:00 wizzyrea which I'm ok with
17:00 wizzyrea i'm not sure, we may end up just doing it a different way
16:59 nengard i mean the doc itself validates - but i can try another way to make it work in WP
16:59 nengard wizzyrea - can i use diff characters to make it easier?
16:53 * jdavidb perks up at his name. Waving his hand in a vague gesture, he mumbles, "This was the chinese food you really wanted, Jane."
16:51 jwagner I could use a foolish holiday....
16:50 * jwagner got takeout Chinese for lunch (BAD jdavidb!), and the fortune says "Idleness is the holiday of fools"
16:50 kf bye #koha - time to enjoy spring weather :)
16:48 gmcharlt hi Ropuch
16:48 wizzyrea heya
16:48 Ropuch Hello wizzyrea, nengard, gmcharlt
16:48 wizzyrea and there doens't seem to be a way to make it ignore the errors
16:47 wizzyrea no, wasn't so bad, but the generation method was skipping a bunch of stuff at the end b/c of bad characters
16:47 gmcharlt wizzyrea: +1 text-replace
16:46 nengard but what we had wasn't so bad -
16:46 wizzyrea it's just redonk that it doesn't work
16:46 nengard yeah i guess
16:46 wizzyrea though there may be soon
16:45 wizzyrea ^.^
16:45 wizzyrea except docbook ;)
16:45 nengard there is a plugin for everything WP related!! :) I love it
16:45 nengard awesome
16:44 wizzyrea heh http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/timezonecalculator/
16:43 wizzyrea or something
16:43 wizzyrea type in :kohamibbit: and it inserts the html for the link
16:42 wizzyrea http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/text-replace/
16:42 wizzyrea I'm wondering if we could create some shortcodes using this plugin
16:38 wizzyrea yea
16:38 wizzyrea OH I see.
16:38 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I meant adding something to the WP post editing form that reminds people to wrap mentions of the Koha IRC channel with that (rather hard-to-remember) mibbit URL
16:37 wizzyrea kind of leaves you going "uh, which one was that"
16:37 wizzyrea er, if you have, strike the two
16:36 wizzyrea yep, it will, but they will be ugly if you have two April-monthly-community-handover-irc-meeting-2
16:36 nengard just as an FYI
16:36 nengard remember that WP will handle the slugs gracefully - it won't let you end up with dups
16:35 wizzyrea sorry, monday, I'm a bit thick
16:35 wizzyrea ? I'm not sure what you mean
16:34 gmcharlt wizzyrea: maybe stick that in the posting template so that posters remember to do it?
16:34 * wizzyrea wants to make it very accessible for librarians to participate
16:33 wizzyrea note the one small addition of "in the Koha IRC channel" that links to the mibbit widget that gets you right in (just enter your nick)
16:31 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/april-2010-monthly-general-irc-meeting/
16:30 nengard makes sense
16:30 wizzyrea I changed the slug only on both of those
16:28 wizzyrea true
16:28 gmcharlt otherwise, that'll make for icky permalinks next year
16:28 gmcharlt if we're going to do that, can we include the year in the URLs?
16:27 wizzyrea I'll do it to show what I mean
16:27 wizzyrea yea, that's fine by me. One thing I would probably add to every post that mentions IRC, is add the mibbit widget link
16:26 nengard http://koha-community.org/april-monthly-community-handover-irc-meeting/
16:26 nengard http://koha-community.org/monthly-general-irc-meeting/
16:26 nengard yes
16:26 wizzyrea yea, idk. I need to think about it. Definitely though the meetings need to be added to the blog. Does each meeting have a page on the wiki?
16:26 nengard i added links to the agendas to the website
16:25 gmcharlt prior to the meeting
16:25 gmcharlt yep, though doing that does mean that ideally somebody would take responsibility for updating the main post with the current agenda
16:24 wizzyrea though I don't think you want to announce the meetings on the wiki > good point, gmcharlt... add agenda items in the comments maybe?
16:24 gmcharlt I don't care mch either way, but one reason why the meeting agendas are on the wiki is to allow anybody to add agenda items
16:24 wizzyrea it may have to be duplicated in both places
16:23 wizzyrea right, meeting outcomes I think are rightfully on the wiki
16:23 gmcharlt wizzyrea: though keep in mind that the *outcomes* of the meeting aren't transient
16:23 wizzyrea ;)
16:23 wizzyrea :( never
16:22 rhcl $sudo set ignore me
16:22 wizzyrea (I think we're talking about the same thing)
16:22 wizzyrea yes, that's my point
16:21 rhcl events are transient
16:21 wizzyrea wiki=static-like documentation, meetings are transient
16:21 wizzyrea I think there is, but I am a proponent of keeping events and whatnot in the blog instead of on the wiki
16:20 rhcl canx previous
16:20 rhcl Is there not a link on koha-community to the chat meeting info?
16:20 wizzyrea it is at least better categorized
16:20 wizzyrea for that kind of stuff
16:20 wizzyrea I'm wondering if the site isn't a better place than the wiki
16:19 nengard I can do it for these 2 and if someone else gets to it before the next meetings that works for me too :)
16:19 wizzyrea i know you have lots to do
16:19 nengard me either ;) hehe
16:19 wizzyrea doesn't matter to me
16:19 nengard I can do that
16:19 wizzyrea make a new category for "meetings"
16:19 wizzyrea we could put the agendas there in addition/instead of the wiki
16:19 wizzyrea nengard you want to be in charge of that?
16:18 wizzyrea event posts
16:18 wizzyrea posts on k-c.org
16:18 wizzyrea oh oh
16:15 nengard k - wiki updated - don't know if the agendas are right -but at least they're on the agenda
16:08 magnus nice
16:08 nengard thanks magnus, I'll update the schedule page
16:07 magnus as far as i can tell, nengard
16:07 magnus Community Handover - 6 April 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-03-02#i_403640
16:06 magnus General IRC Meeting - 10:00 UTC+0 on 7 April 2010 http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-03-03#i_405064
16:02 nengard or should i say meetings?
16:02 nengard hey all - when is our next koha meeting? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:start
15:39 chris_n for your better understanding of how government works: http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg
15:38 * jdavidb is able to feed himself and the Evil Minion on working on Koha full-time, but "rich?" naah.
15:35 wizzyrea I have to get rich so I can work on koha all the time (because you're probably not going to get rich working on koha all the time)
15:35 wizzyrea lol, damn shame that
15:34 gmcharlt not close enough to make any of us rich, I suspect ;)
15:34 gmcharlt wizzyrea: somewhat, yes
15:33 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/MTc0MjAwYTkt wow, that looks like the koha K
15:23 paul_p hdl, any answer to galen's question ?
15:15 gmcharlt speaking of MARC::Record - have you guys run across any need to use marcxchange instead of marc21slim?
15:15 gmcharlt hi paul_p
15:13 paul_p (for git access to MARC::Record)
15:12 paul_p gmcharlt++
15:04 chris_n can I do that trip during my lunch hour?
15:03 nengard chris_n don't the exits restart in each state? Anyway - I'm at exit 40 off of 95 in PA :) if you want lunch :) hehe
15:01 jwagner Harrumph!
15:01 magnus um, yes, jwagner? ;-)
15:00 jwagner Now, magnus....
15:00 * magnus has heard that you shouldn't drive and send text messages at the same time, but never heard anything about irc...
15:00 chris_n can't seem to get away from 95 between being born in FL and living in VA, MD, and NC... :-P
14:59 * jdavidb waves back at chris_n
14:59 chris_n nengard: also about 1/4 mile from exit 77
14:59 chris_n no driving and texting here
14:58 chris_n sorry, I95N is about 100 yds from my office window :)
14:58 gmcharlt chris_n: keep your eyes on the road! harrumph! ;)
14:58 nengard where on 95 are you? and why are you chatting and driving?? :)
14:58 chris_n and nengard also
14:58 nengard hehe
14:58 * chris_n reaches out the window and waves on I95N toward jdavidb
14:54 jdavidb :)
14:53 nengard hi jdavidb
14:53 * jdavidb waves to nengard.
14:23 jwagner collum, I saw that, thanks! Our [expletive deleted] network has been down all morning, but we'll load it & try it as soon as we can.
14:22 collum I was so happy to find a 'near' solution that I submitted a patch.
14:21 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, "Related subjects" search is OPAC doesn't work with chained subject terms
14:21 collum jwagner: I did some work on bug 4276 Friday night, but feel free to change anything you see fit.
12:07 kf lunch :)
12:03 magnus i was just at the norwegian library conference promoting koha, and quite a number of people who showed an interest in it were asking about ill, so being able to tell them that something is happening is nice
12:01 gmcharlt *now
12:01 gmcharlt yep, two years - we're working on infrastructure code node
12:01 gmcharlt if there's anything of immediate interest in fulfillment to you, drop Mike Rylander a line
12:00 magnus the timeframe for the development is 2 years?
12:00 magnus i forgot how close the ties have become for a moment
12:00 magnus gmcharlt: nice!
11:59 gmcharlt magnus: a Koha connector for FulfILLment will be one of the first that comes out, needless to say
11:20 chris bedtime for me
11:19 chris im sure gmcharlt will have
11:17 magnus anyone had a look at http://fulfillment-ill.org/ in relation to koha yet?
10:31 chris_n that would be nice
10:30 chris i wish it did wind speed too
10:30 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (11:00 PM NZDT on March 22, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
10:30 chris @wunder wellington, nz
10:30 chris heh
10:29 chris_n and it was not "light" contrary to the report above :)
10:29 chris_n chris: yup, the rain woke me up a little after 5 local time
10:26 chris yes, very low scoring
10:24 paul_p was much different than the previous french ones !
10:24 paul_p chris: did you saw the match ?
10:24 paul_p chris : and the grand slam is for us :D
10:10 chris you're up early chris_n
10:06 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 19.0�C (6:02 AM EDT on March 22, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
10:06 chris_n @wunder 28334
10:02 kf finally spring weather here :)
09:43 chris you can see ppl go flying in the wind :)
09:42 chris wellington today
09:41 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/lightbox/sport/cricket/3490560/?KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=560&width=640
09:38 magnus light showers? my window is plastered with snow...
09:38 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (10:20 AM CET on March 22, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
09:38 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
09:37 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.9�C (10:28 AM CET on March 22, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Steady).
09:37 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:37 kf :)
09:37 kf hi Ropuch, magnus and chris
09:36 chris hi kf
09:36 magnus hi kf
09:36 Ropuch Hi kf
09:34 kf hi #koha
08:59 chris hmm seems a dangerous road to go down when you depend on public goodwill to exist
08:58 alohabot http://abcnews.go.com/WN/arrested-cuffed-overdue-library-books/story?id=10062565&page=1
07:15 Ropuch Morning #koha
06:16 nicomo hi Amit_G
06:16 Amit_G heya nicomo
03:45 Amit_G hi brendan
03:45 brendan hi Amit_G
03:44 brendan hi amit
03:37 Amit_G morning all
01:46 chris assuming it has a nice marc export
01:46 chris so it would just be figuring out how to get the borrower data out
01:43 richard if it's this one, it says it is MARC compatible - http://www.huntersystems.com/librarians_edge2.html
01:42 chris probably best to ask on the mailing list
01:42 jovax somebody here can help my problem
01:41 jovax ah ok
01:40 chris does it store its bibliographical data as MARC?
01:40 chris this is the first ive heard of the hunter system, so I don't know
01:40 jovax did you have idea
01:40 jovax how to import the data of hunter system into koha
01:39 jovax i have existing hunter system the librarian edge's
01:38 jovax i am installing koha using debian
01:37 chris hi jovax
01:37 jovax hi chris
00:44 jovax did somebody know to import the data of librarian edge's in to koha
00:44 jovax but i have existing hunter system librarian edge's
00:43 jovax im installing koha in debian
00:42 jovax hi all
00:31 jovax hi all