Time  Nick       Message
06:40 Ropuch     Morning #koha
07:13 chris      hi Ropuch
11:44 chris_n    g'morning #koha
11:45 jwagner    Morning, chris_n
12:08 rhcl       I thought I'd be the first person to log on this morning.
12:08 jwagner    Nope.
12:09 rhcl       Well, I'm an hour different from you.
12:10 jwagner    But those earlybird Europeans have us all beat :-)
12:10 rhcl       I need the waitress to bring me some coffee.
12:10 * jdavidb  wonders how rhcl got a gig with waitresses.
12:10 jdavidb    We don't have any of those in our office here.
12:10 rhcl       Yea, our library has waitresses for the staff.
12:11 rhcl       Free coffee, lots of other amenities.
12:11 * jwagner  thinks we need to have a discussion about amenities with our bosses....
12:11 jdavidb    jwagner++
12:12 rhcl       We're working on a fitness center with swimming pool, but that's going to be a hard one to swing.
12:12 jwagner    Way back in my first library job, I kept suggesting that they turn the rare book room into a library staff spa, complete with hot tub.  They didn't listen to me :-(
12:12 jdavidb    rhcl, knowing your library as I do, I'm kinda wondering where they'd *put* it.
12:13 * collum   just wants a window.
12:13 rhcl       Well, yea, of course we'd need to buy a new building.
12:13 jdavidb    might build onto the back of the one you've got, away from the street frontage, maybe?  I don't know what's back there.
12:13 rhcl       or kick out all the books downstairs
12:14 rhcl       nothing in back.
12:14 * jdavidb  wonders if rhcl's building was built by hobbits.  "Nassssty little hobbitsessss..."
12:15 rhcl       No, it was build to some massive standards originally to support a paint store, one of the primary tenants
12:15 rhcl       the floor is doubly reinforced to support the weight of xxx gallons of paint
12:16 jdavidb    The whole notched-into-a-hill thing is just cool as heck, though, even though it doesn't give the library proper main-street frontage.  I was a little confused when I showed up there and saw the door where I came in..  ;-)
12:18 rhcl       Yea, that's a common thought. We actually own the whole building, and would like someday to expand into all of our rented spaces, including the paint store.
12:18 rhcl       That would give us all the upstairs too, which would be a better presentation.
12:19 jdavidb    yep.  That's the first time I'd seen a Friends bookstore right there in the building, tho, and that was nifty, too.  Our Friends of the PL here has two standalone bookstores, plus a shelf or two at each branch, I think.
12:25 jwagner    OPAC search question for folks.  When you display a title now with XSLT, and the Related Subjects has an entry like College teachers -- United States -- Periodicals, the hyperlinked subject search only goes against the first part (College teachers in this case).  One of my sites wants it to go against all the subfields.  Would that be generally useful?
12:26 owen       There is a bug for that already I'm pretty sure
12:27 jwagner    So there is, Bug 4276
12:27 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, "Related subjects" search is OPAC doesn't work with chained subject terms
12:27 jwagner    OK, I'll work on that one separately from the other changes I'm doing for them, & see if I can come up with a fix.
12:33 collum     jwagner: I looked at that a couple of weeks ago.  The display is easy, but I believe the other subfields in the subject heading need to be indexed.
12:33 collum     I've never played with indexing.
12:34 jwagner    collum, I hadn't thought to check the subfield indexing; I will. Thanks.
13:19 biglego    good morning, I installed the latest koha 3.01 as of 3 weeks ago.  I'm wanting to update to the latest version is the command just 'git fetch' other than load data i've made not changes to commit back, which i'd be asking how to do that as well right now
13:28 biglego    okay dummy me it was just a matter of understanding what I was reading 'git pull', do I now just rerun MakeFile.PL, make, make test, make install?
13:32 hdl_laptop you only have to do updatedatabase, and updates your translation
13:49 biglego    hdl_laptop, apologies but I'm not following.  I'm thinking you are assuming I did the dev installation, i performed a standard installation.
13:49 hdl_laptop oh.
13:57 biglego    so I'm thinking stop apache, and zebra daemons, MakeFile.PL, make, make test, make install, then run updatedatabase?  Restart the daemons and life should be good?
13:58 gmcharlt   biglego: there is a make update target you can use - see the INSTALL doc for details
14:03 biglego    thanks I think that answers my question
14:54 nengard    jwagner around?
14:59 chris_n    she's probably on chocolate break :)
14:59 sekjal     mmmm, chocolate
15:06 jwagner    No, have been eyeballs-deep in a lot of stuff.  I WISH I had a chocolate break!
15:06 * jwagner  thinks about a trip to the vending machine.
15:08 jwagner    nengard, did you need me for something?
15:09 nengard    I did - but I think I got it - was documenting the new features added in the fix for bug 3482
15:09 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses
15:09 nengard    I think I got it all - and will commit it now and you can check my work :)
15:11 nengard    one thing for you or jdavidb - there is no perldoc for gather_print_notices.pl
15:11 hdl_laptop jwagner: anychance one of you checks the patches I sent about that ?
15:12 jwagner    OK.  We also need to check that commit -- we added one more piece to it, but I'm not sure if that was before the git pull request or after.
15:12 jwagner    hdl_laptop, I'll test it as soon as I get a chance, and also see if we need to update with the last thing we added.  FYI, that was a syspref to allow sites to specify how many items to list on the print notices.
15:12 nengard    can you give me a one liner on what gather_print_notices.pl does?
15:13 jwagner    That's intended for sites using z-mailers where they have to limit the page length.
15:13 hdl_laptop good
15:13 jwagner    nengard, there are two parts of print notices.  For regular overdue notices, the print piece is incorporated into the overdues script and print notices are generated there.  However, hold notices don't go through a script -- Koha generates them immediately.
15:14 nengard    jwagner so the gather_print_notices.pl script is only for hold notices?
15:14 jwagner    the gather_print_notices script runs nightly and looks through the message queue.  If there was no email address for a patron, & thus the regular hold notice couldn't go, it grabs them & generates a print notice based on the HOLD_PRINT notice file.
15:14 wizzyrea   ooh jane that's a cool feature
15:15 wizzyrea   does that supercede some of the koha extras stuff that right now is an addon to koha?
15:15 jwagner    Both sets of notices are wrapped in <pre> tags so the layout in the notice setup is used (lines down, spacing across, etc.).  The scripts also do a page break between notices -- the output is an html file that staff call up & print, so this means one notice per page.
15:16 jwagner    wizzyrea, I'm not familiar with the koha extras stuff -- what are you referring to?
15:16 nengard    thanks!!
15:16 nengard    okay I'll write this up and then send you the link
15:17 jwagner    nengard, I've been working on internal documentation, including screen shots, for all our features.  That's the documentation meant for library staff; it should probably be incorporated into your manual as well.
15:17 nengard    great - you can send it to me as a patch or an email
15:18 jwagner    It's a humongous Word document right now -- how about I send you pieces as stuff gets added :-)  It's still under construction.
15:18 nengard    jwagner - here's what I wrote: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kohadocs;a=blobdiff;f=en/koha3-2manual.xml;h=f4fc2e98887807f7bafd86e66d492a265c008a77;hp=4ebcb3b64cef941f8b5a8f5a5f23f9d0194f9673;hb=505fccecc123db5fae5fa11e8c8cb2047bd267b7;hpb=31ca4106d44522d69dab4d7839712fe6f2a72d96
15:19 nengard    some of the updates in there were just spacing issues - but you should be able to find the stuff I wrote
15:20 jwagner    Looks like that syspref did make it in, but we'll still check the head version.  For the writeup on the syspref, it needs to be modified (I didn't understand it properly originally).  Use:
15:20 jwagner    the print notice script will only print the number of items in that syspref and truncate the list of items at that point, with a note that the patron should check the full list of overdues in the OPAC.  Calculate that figure by counting number of lines in your notice text.  Then decide how many lines/items can print and still stay within the page length.  This setting only affects print notices.
15:21 jwagner    So the syspref is the number of _items_ that should be included, not the total page length.
15:22 jwagner    nengard, what's your email address?  I'll send you that part of the writeup with screen shots.
15:22 nengard    nengard@gmail.com
15:34 jwagner    nengard, note that the screen shot shows a <pre> tag in the notice text, but it's not necessary to include it there.  It's in the script (so that no one accidentally removes it when editing the notice text).
15:35 nengard    k
15:47 rhcl       Do you have to catalog from the managed file or can you catalog from the circ catalog? When you do a search from the circ search nothing shows up until you have a full record. (you have to go into edit to save the record).
16:05 jwagner    rhcl managed file = reservoir?
16:11 wizzyrea   ok peeps, I need a list of Frequently Asked questions re: koha
16:11 wizzyrea   are they on the wiki?
16:11 wizzyrea   (working on the website)
16:12 gmcharlt   wizzyrea: there is FAQ-like material there, I'm sure, but I don't think anybody's done a full FAQ in quite a while
16:12 jwagner    wizzyrea, from which perspective?  Admins?  Library staff?  Patrons?
16:30 wizzyrea   all of the above
16:30 wizzyrea   want different sections
16:30 wizzyrea   nengard, as docmanager do you want to help with this project?
16:31 wizzyrea   I mean, i can think of questions like "I can't search, why?"
16:31 wizzyrea   I want to customize X, can I? How?
16:32 wizzyrea   where x = something specific like UI
16:32 nengard    what project? sorry was away
16:34 nengard    wizzyrea - there are old faqs here: http://koha.org/documentation/faq
16:34 nengard    a lot i pulled together from messages on the mailing list
16:34 nengard    i haven't gotten them all into the new manual yet
16:34 nengard    but some are here: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a9503
16:37 nengard    i am also up for working on a different style of FAQ if that will help people more!!
16:41 gmcharlt   regarding jwagner's comment, having different types of FAQs makes sense to me
16:41 gmcharlt   and an FAQ for patrons of Koha libraries would be a novelty
16:44 nengard    we can probably find an FAQ plugin for WP and add it to the koha site
16:44 gmcharlt   +1
16:47 SJeffery   One day someone will put a default framework of "Brief record" in and make my life a whole lot easier.
16:47 jwagner    That would be useful.  I can probably come up with some questions/answers whenever I have some of that mythical free time....
16:48 jwagner    SJeffery, there is one in the latest code (Fast Add)
16:48 SJeffery   Free time. I have heard of that. Isn't that what we get when we retire (which is about six weeks before we keel over)?
16:49 jwagner    I _HOPE_ not....
16:49 SJeffery   What code? Development or production?
16:49 gmcharlt   SJeffery: current HEAD
16:50 SJeffery   I have no idea what HEAD means in this context.
16:52 gmcharlt   sorry, the current development version
16:52 wizzyrea   nengard: that part is already done
16:52 wizzyrea   I just need the content
16:52 nengard    oh the faq plugin?
16:52 nengard    k - well i gave you links to lots of content i already have compiled
16:52 nengard    we just have to copy paste
16:53 SJeffery   Any idea when that version will go into production (roughly)? I will hold up deployment if it is soonish.
16:53 nengard    or find a way to scrape it
16:53 wizzyrea   sweet, thanks for the links nengard
16:53 nengard    np :)
16:53 nengard    i can help move them over
16:53 wizzyrea   yea, let me do a little setup on it this afternoon and then we can start that project in earnest
16:53 nengard    okey dokey
16:54 wizzyrea   and I lurve the idea of a faq for patrons
16:54 gmcharlt   SJeffery: beta for that version should be out in a cuople weeks, but it's possible to extract and aply the fast-add template sooner than that
16:54 gmcharlt   as long as you have a version of Koha that's post-3.0.0
16:55 wizzyrea   it has it's flummoxing quirks, and it might be nice to include a link to the general patron faq on the default OPAC somewhere
17:01 nengard    wizzyrea - as long as we make it clear that the faq is written assuming koha is set to the default
17:01 nengard    i've seen lots of customizations that might make a patron faq confusing :)
17:08 wizzyrea   yea, it ought to be a preference to show it or not. Maybe put it on the default Nav area instead of the "put your text here" notice that's on current new installations
17:08 wizzyrea   Actually, yes, I like that
17:22 owen       gmcharlt: Is it still your plan to remove Rotating collections from 3.2?
17:22 gmcharlt   owen: yes, or at least disable it for now
17:42 rhcl       test
17:42 jwagner    rhcl, pass/fail or a grade?
17:44 jdavidb    @quote random
17:44 munin      jdavidb: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 10:02 AM, March 17, 2010)
17:45 jdavidb    @karma jdavidb
17:45 munin      jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 18 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 18.
17:45 jdavidb    @karma jwagner
17:45 munin      jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 22 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 22.
17:45 * jwagner  snickers
17:45 * jdavidb  grumps a little.
17:55 nengard    hehe
17:56 nengard    now children :) let's behave :)
17:56 jwagner    Who, us????
17:57 nengard    hehe
18:37 jwagner    @wunder 20817
18:37 munin      jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 21.2�C (2:36 PM EDT on March 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
18:37 * jwagner  sings "it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, a beautiful day in the neighborhood"
18:42 moodaepo   @wunder 56001
18:42 munin      moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 13.6�C (1:36 PM CDT on March 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling).
19:07 wizzyrea   nengard: do you have a sec?
19:08 nengard    yup
19:08 wizzyrea   do you want the faq's all on one page or links to individual pages, I can't decide which is better
19:08 wizzyrea   (all on one page is how it is now)
19:09 nengard    i want them findable :)
19:09 * owen     gets in line to speak to nengard
19:09 nengard    If the plugin is part of wordpress then they'll be searchable
19:09 nengard    so i think whatever looks the least scary is best
19:09 nengard    maybe having different pages for categories makes sense
19:09 nengard    anyone else have an opinion?
19:09 wizzyrea   ok, well look at this
19:10 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/#_
19:10 wizzyrea   so installing/upgrading is how the faq plugin displays them
19:10 wizzyrea   the other categories haven't been populated yet
19:10 gmcharlt   it's a balancing act - one question per page would be annoying, but 100 questions on a page would be scary
19:10 nengard    why not a category per page
19:11 gmcharlt   that works
19:11 wizzyrea   that's what I was thinking, see below where it says "acquisitions, administration
19:11 nengard    also - i did a search and the faq don't seem to be in the search ... which might mean we want to make it as easy as possible to navigate
19:11 wizzyrea   ok, so look at this then
19:11 wizzyrea   one minute
19:12 wizzyrea   ok, click that same link again
19:12 owen       nengard: I think I have a fix for Bug 4173, but I have a question
19:12 nengard    while she does that - what does owen need?
19:12 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4173 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Statuses not appearing in the OPAC
19:13 owen       In particular,  a fix to show Use Restrictions
19:13 nengard    wizzyrea - yeah i think that makes sense
19:13 nengard    and owen - clicking now
19:13 wizzyrea   (remember, installing/upgrading is the only one with any populated questions
19:13 wizzyrea   )
19:13 nengard    owen - great - what's the question?
19:13 owen       Since setting a value for Use Restrictions doesn't affect the availability of the item, I'm assuming it should display alongside the "available" status
19:13 owen       Does that sound correct?
19:13 gmcharlt   wizzyrea: that works. q though, is the order of the headings strictly alphabetical?
19:14 nengard    maybe in parens - yeah
19:14 nengard    my reply was to owen
19:14 gmcharlt   i.e., installing/upgrading might be best going before the functionality categories
19:14 nengard    the librarian in me wants it all alpha :)
19:18 gmcharlt   AAA Installation and Upgrade ;)
19:18 nengard    LOL
19:24 bank       question anout cron job to rebuild zebra index?
19:24 bank       should that be run as root or my koha user?
19:26 oceb       koha user
19:26 oceb       ;)
19:26 wizzyrea   nengard: it should be searchable now
19:27 wizzyrea   needed to find a plugin that parsed the shortcode content
19:27 bank       ok
19:27 bank       that I did but I am getting no search results
19:28 wizzyrea   oh it doesn't have to be alphabetical
19:28 wizzyrea   sorry I was off making things searchable :P
19:28 wizzyrea   in fact, nengard
19:28 nengard    off to test :)
19:28 wizzyrea   that plugin I did ought to do the manual as well, but I'm not SURE about that.
19:28 wizzyrea   maybe not, now that I think about it
19:28 nengard    i like the tabs across the top :)
19:29 nengard    wizzyrea - yes having the manual searchable is a must - but if we can make it a separate search that would be best
19:29 nengard    cause it's hard to search it and the entire koha site at once
19:29 nengard    chris recommended a google search
19:30 nengard    in the search results - or on the page itself (and then the search results) it would be nice to know that you just found an FAQ
19:30 bank       oceb: my tail -f /var/log/syslog shows the (koha) CMD (KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/etc/koha-dev/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null)
19:33 wizzyrea   yea, I was looking at a google search, and I think it would work
19:34 wizzyrea   except that I couldn't find the "free" one
19:34 wizzyrea   the one I saw cost some (admittedly trivial) amount of money
19:35 wizzyrea   gmcharlt: done, inst/upg is 1st in the list, the rest ar alpha
19:36 wizzyrea   (and all of the categories aren't in yet, just fyi)
19:36 wizzyrea   I wanted to work out the display before I went all crazy like >.>
19:36 gmcharlt   question 1: do you want a dev install; answer: yes
19:36 gmcharlt   ;)
19:36 wizzyrea   roflcopter
19:37 wizzyrea   question: enable/disable comments on these pages?
19:37 wizzyrea   i like them clean, so off is my preference
19:37 wizzyrea   but comments *are* helpful
19:37 wizzyrea   opinions?
19:38 wizzyrea   harro jdavidb
19:38 jdavidb    harro wizzyrea!  :D
19:38 gmcharlt   imo - if possible, enable comments, but don't show them by default - just show that there are comments that one could click through
19:38 nengard    hmmm
19:38 nengard    i like gmcharlt's idea
19:38 nengard    and we'll have to wait for chris to come on to ask what search he meant
19:38 nengard    maybe it was google or another ... i forget now
19:38 wizzyrea   hm, that's one I haven't done before, but I'm sure it can be done
19:39 gmcharlt   maybe with a statement to the effect that every now and again comments will be incoprorated into the FAQ , then purged
19:39 nengard    makes sense
19:39 nengard    wizzyrea - probably look at the homepage script - cause it shows the comment count but not the comment text
19:40 wizzyrea   Yepper
19:55 jwagner    nengard, I'm catching up with things.  With regard to Bug 4173, how about adding it to the OPAC note display area?  If there's either an OPAC note or a Use Restriction entry in the item area, put it in that column?  That would separate it a bit from all the other status information, which might make it more visible to patrons.
19:55 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4173 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Statuses not appearing in the OPAC
19:56 nengard    jwagner that works too - owen what do you think?
19:56 nengard    I'm not picky - it just needs to show
19:57 jwagner    From what you were saying, the function of the entry is more like an OPAC note than a real status.
19:57 nengard    true
20:03 chris      morning
20:03 jwagner    morning chris
20:05 nelsonf    hi brendan et. al.
20:06 sekjal     hi, nelsonf.
20:07 nelsonf    hi sekjal!  long time.  I'm wearing my code4lib shirt proudly these days
20:09 sekjal     most excellent.  I'm hoping to get a drawer-full before my days are done
20:11 nelsonf    I have several koha challenges today I'd like to put out there and see if any of ya'll might comment...
20:13 nelsonf    one relates to e-mail notifications DUE and PREDUE under advanceMessaging;  the second is how to find and install a patch; the third is that our db seems to be growing and I'm not sure why 24mb to 74mb in 2 months.
20:14 chris      right
20:14 chris      starting backwards
20:14 chris      the db will grow, things like the statistics table, oldissues etc legitimately grow
20:14 chris      but things like the sessions table
20:15 chris      and the zebraqueue table
20:15 chris      need to be cleaned out from time to time
20:15 chris      both those tables can get big fast
20:15 nelsonf    I guess this could be addressed in the daily crontab?
20:16 chris      yup, i think there are some scripts to do it ... can anyone remember?
20:17 gmcharlt   misc/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl
20:18 brendan    hey nelsonf
20:18 brendan    hi all too
20:19 chris      thanks gmcharlt
20:20 nelsonf    howdy brendan.  gmcharlt: I'll see if I can find this and then run it manually thru putty the first time?  I don't think it is in our crontab currently.
20:20 gmcharlt   that will work
20:20 nelsonf    back  in a few... :-)
20:20 jwagner    nelsonf, you don't want to run it in the middle of the day because it will kick out anyone who's presently logged in.  Run it manually after/before hours, or cron it for overnight.
20:21 nelsonf    fortunately the patrons are in South Africa,  so now will work just fine!
20:22 jwagner    One case where time zones are your friend :-)
20:51 nelsonf    gmcharlt: I'm not finding the cleanup_database.pl at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs  Does another cronjobs folder exist?  I don't seem to have a root  /misc/.. folder.
20:51 gmcharlt   nelsonf: what version are you running?
20:52 nelsonf    koha 3.00.01.005
21:00 nelsonf    another problem is that I went into crontab -e, but can't seem to close the file with the usual :q! that I learned from you guys at code4lib.  How to close without saving changes (from within putty)?  The file says --- INSERT --- at the bottom.
21:00 SJeffery   Anyone know the status of Koha for Windows? Doesn't seem like it has been updated in several years.
21:01 gmcharlt   nelsonf: hit escape, then try saving
21:01 gmcharlt   cleanup_database.pl may not be in that version Koha
21:01 nelsonf    you are SO right.  Escape worked.
21:02 nelsonf    re cleanup_database.pl, can I download and put it in the cronjob folder?
21:03 gmcharlt   yes, or upgrade to at least 3.0.4
21:04 nelsonf    I would much prefer to upgrade. can I download and run a command or two, or would I need to know more than this?
21:05 nelsonf    I think you guys said something about getting into a git stream, so that upgrades become easier...
21:08 nelsonf    also, I'm aware that the need for the patch that I mentioned at the beginning of this conversation would not be necessary as the bug was fixed in a later version.
21:35 jwagner    gmcharlt, still online?
21:36 gmcharlt   jwagner: yep
21:36 jwagner    See Bug 3164 -- was there ever a revised fix sent?
21:36 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode
21:37 gmcharlt   not as far as I can tell
21:38 jwagner    OK, thanks.
21:51 Jo         hi all
21:52 moodaepo   @wunder 56001
21:52 munin      moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 15.6�C (4:46 PM CDT on March 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
21:54 CGI990     Hi guys
21:55 CGI990     I've made a change that's helped my system, but I'm not sure my system is a reliable basis for generalization
21:57 CGI990     Can somebody confirm that the behavior I was experiencing was not unique to my system?
21:58 pastebot   "CGI990" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "missing circ error message" (34 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/23
21:58 wizzyrea   what do you guys think about this: http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/
22:01 CGI990     Have all the wizards gone home?
22:01 wizzyrea   the US ones, anyway
22:02 wizzyrea   speaking of which
22:03 hdl_laptop CGI990: makes sense
22:04 CGI990     Is there somewhere I should put this to get it into wider circulation then?
22:04 gmcharlt   CGI990: koha-devel, perhaps
22:05 CGI990     Is that another irc?
22:05 gmcharlt   ah, no the koha-devel mailing list
22:06 gmcharlt   but that particular issue is also being worked on so that it will be possible to let a loan through with an override if the user has overdues
22:06 gmcharlt   or to also allow the current behavior of forbidding such loans outright
22:08 CGI990     It seems to me the idea of a hash for "errors" and a hash for "overrides" isn't a good one.
22:08 CGI990     A hash of circ preferences co-responding to errors seems a better way to go.
22:09 gmcharlt   well, it could probably be more flexible, but there are legitamately cases when a loan is in fact impossible
22:09 CGI990     Perhaps, but why make assumptions.  If a library wants to make a policy rule, give them the option.
22:10 CGI990     I suppose that makes configuration more complicated, though
22:11 gmcharlt   I'm not disagreeing
22:39 Fallor     hi all
23:00 Fallor     hmm... nobody here now, obviously
23:00 Fallor     so i'm off too
23:43 chris      gmcharlt: about?
23:45 chris      GetRenewCount is currently busted
23:46 chris      its trying to use renewalsallowed on itemtypes
23:46 chris      but we the rest of the renewal code now uses issuingrules
23:46 chris      -we
23:46 chris      ill try to fix it and send a patch