Time Nick Message 23:47 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.3�C (5:42 PM CST on March 10, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.49 in 998.5 hPa (Steady). Dense fog advisory in effect until 9 am CST Thursday... 23:47 moodaepo @weather 56001 21:20 CGI333 I'd prefer stability to features at this point. 21:20 CGI333 I'm open to suggestions as to the version I should be using. 21:19 sekjal 3.01.00.124 is pretty close to HEAD 21:18 schuster guess it would be ALPHA right now not beta. 21:18 schuster I was just concerned about the get fetch process since current HEAD is beta 3.2? but gmcharlt and sekjal can probably speak more directly to that. 21:17 CGI333 Is there something I should know? 21:17 CGI333 Well, I do have to fix a production box. 21:16 schuster CGI333 - are you doing this on a production box or test? 21:15 CGI333 thanks very much sekjal, and gmcharlt! I'll probably be bothering you some more after I've done some research. 21:14 sekjal CGI333: the page linked previous has some info on using 'git fetch' with Koha. You can also check the git manual at http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html 21:08 CGI333 Where can I find more documentation on the "get fetch" method? 21:07 CGI333 Our "koha master" has moved on, and I've got to figure this out. 21:07 gmcharlt ok, then an alternative approach would be do to a git fetch, then make install and make update 21:06 CGI333 -I- didn't install it, but yes, git was involved. 21:06 gmcharlt CGI333: it sounds like you installed by from a git clone - was that the case? 21:06 CGI333 Great. 21:05 sekjal http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage#applying_patches may help 21:04 CGI333 Thanks again, sekjal. Is there any info on the best way to apply patches? 21:04 sekjal on the list soon 21:03 sekjal and its off. should be 21:00 CGI333 sekjal,You're a life-saver! 20:59 sekjal CGI333: yes 20:58 CGI333 Is that http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/ 20:57 sekjal I'm testing my new configurations now, and will hopefully have it submitted to the patches listserv shortly. 20:55 CGI333 sekjal, gmcharlt I don't want to be a pain, but where will I be able to get that label printing patch you were talking about? 20:53 munin jwagner: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 04:07 PM, October 30, 2009) 20:53 jwagner @quote random 20:23 CGI333 Is there a "how to" on applying patches to koha? 20:18 wizzyrea_laptop yw 20:18 gmcharlt thanks 20:18 wizzyrea_laptop there we go 20:18 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded. Quote #68 added. 20:18 wizzyrea_laptop @quote add gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to "Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" 20:18 wizzyrea_laptop well that is just too logical 20:18 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded. 20:18 gmcharlt heh - remove 20:18 wizzyrea_laptop @quote remove 67 20:17 munin gmcharlt: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats 20:17 gmcharlt @list Quote 20:17 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rm" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. 20:17 wizzyrea_laptop @quote rm 67 20:17 gmcharlt quote rm or quote del number, I think 20:17 wizzyrea_laptop I'll fix it :) 20:17 wizzyrea_laptop can I delete it? 20:17 gmcharlt gah - sans my s/remain/rename/ correction ;) 20:17 wizzyrea_laptop doh, I forgot to spellcorrect you 20:17 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded. Quote #67 added. 20:17 wizzyrea_laptop @quote add gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to remain Cataloging 101 to "Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" 20:16 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009) 20:16 wizzyrea_laptop @quote get 23 20:16 wizzyrea_laptop noo 20:16 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 20:16 wizzyrea_laptop @quote add gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to remain Cataloging 101 to "Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" 20:14 Rockliff gmcharlt: ok, i have a feeling i'll be back here with a load of questions sometime soon. :) 20:13 gmcharlt i.e., ye olde record-centric metadata model 20:13 gmcharlt but essentially, Koha currently assumes that a packet of metadata is an attribute of the bib record 20:13 Rockliff aha. 20:12 gmcharlt :) 20:12 gmcharlt the database schema - I did say it was an *implicit* model 20:12 Rockliff where can i look for that? 20:11 Rockliff gmcharlt: so it seems like it might be a good idea for me to take a look at koha's metadata model to see how much work a more robust implementation of MODS might entail (before recoiling in terror and opting for just basic support) 20:02 CGI333 GREAT! 20:02 gmcharlt the patch in question should resolve the problem, but at the moment there's technical difficulty getting it sent 20:02 sekjal I messed up the formatting in the submission process. working on fixing it 20:01 CGI333 Is the patch sekjal mentioned a dead end? 19:56 CGI333 The about koha page says Perl version 5.008008 19:56 CGI333 Ubuntu 19:56 gmcharlt what flavor of Linux are you running? 19:56 CGI333 This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi 19:55 gmcharlt if you have access to the command line, what does perl -version report ? 19:55 CGI333 Where can I find this patch? 19:55 sekjal submitted a patch a little while back 19:55 gmcharlt ah, right 19:55 sekjal some instances of Perl don't like that 19:54 sekjal in the new label creator, there are a couple lines where the a hash is defined and assigned on the same line 19:53 sekjal I think I know this one. 19:53 CGI333 Sometimes I'll get "no response" from the search if I don't select an "added on" date range. 19:53 CGI333 I never get results from the search. 19:52 gmcharlt does the return results, then fail with that warning when you try to add an item to the batch? 19:50 CGI333 Any search I've tried so far has given the same results [barcode, keyword, author] 19:49 gmcharlt what is the search you're trying to use to add to the label batch? 19:48 CGI333 Thanks for the clarification 19:48 CGI333 I see. 19:48 gmcharlt anyway, that gives a starting point 19:48 gmcharlt 3.0.2 would be 3.00.02.something 19:47 gmcharlt ah, that's actually the current development HEAD (3.*1*.00.124) 19:47 CGI333 3.01.00.124 to be exact 19:46 CGI333 That's an excellent question. I was told we were on 3.0.2, but the "about Koha" says 3.0.1 19:46 gmcharlt what version are you running? 19:45 CGI333 This error comes up when searching for a new item to add to a lable printing batch 19:44 CGI333 Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/labels/label-item-search.pl line 129. 19:44 CGI333 Hi Everyone. I've got a problem 19:41 gmcharlt at least TGN seems to have stable term IDs with which to do it easily 19:41 gmcharlt surely 19:41 Rockliff well, the getty vocabularies are a little tricky. we'd be licensing access to their data via a web service. of course, a stable public uri for each concept seems like a good idea, doesn't it? 19:39 gmcharlt of course, but that strikes me as a bit verbose 19:38 gmcharlt has anybody minted URIs for TGN - there's http://www.getty.edu/vow/TGNFullDisplay?find=england&place=&nation=&english=Y&subjectid=7002445 19:37 Rockliff gmcharlt: in any case, we'd be using TGN. 19:37 gmcharlt *rename 19:37 gmcharlt which probably means that library schools ought to remain Cataloging 101 to "Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" 19:36 gmcharlt well, of course, that's the thing - 'Great Britain' could be wildly over-broad for that AAT heading 19:36 Rockliff but i will confess to being a little confused about 'England.' 19:35 Rockliff gmcharlt: in actual practice, it would probably be http://id.loc.gov/authorities/sh85056605 19:31 richard hi 19:30 ccurry anybody know when 3.0.6 will be released? 19:28 gmcharlt LCSH: a country doesn't exist until it is subdivided 19:23 ccurry my attention to detail is just not there today. 19:23 gmcharlt Rockliff: alas, this is about as close you can get, in this specific case - http://id.loc.gov/authorities/sh90003064#concept 19:22 ccurry ah...sorry. thought it was you 19:22 owen I didn't actually make a recommendation ccurry, that was nahuel 19:20 ccurry And owen replied that you should just update to pull 3.0.x. 3.0.x is not actually current stable though, is it? since 3.0.6 is just about to be released, 3.0.x includes all of the patches leading up to it, correct? So, repeat question, can I get these patches now without cherry picking or will I have to wait until 3.0.6 stable? 19:20 ccurry ...stable without cherry picking all of the changes in every effected template? 19:20 Rockliff although i'd really like to link a given subject subelement to the uri for *that term*, not a uri for the vocabulary. 19:20 ccurry I asked this question earlier: I have a question about installing patches in 3.00.05.001. This bug: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3550 (subtitle display) has been patched and I want to apply it to my install without upgrading to 3.2. Since this bug applied to HEAD, I expect the patches were only applied there, correct? Is there an easier way to apply this patch to current... 19:19 gmcharlt presumably kcoyle and jphipps have set up a registry equivalent of http://www.loc.gov/marc/sourcecode/authorityfile/authorityfilesource.html 19:18 * gmcharlt kills off mymodsext:authority, then 19:18 Rockliff i knew that, but completely forgot. 19:17 Rockliff http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/changes-3-4.html 19:17 Rockliff there we go. 19:17 Rockliff RDA-related change: Add authorityURI and valueURI attributes to subject subelements (October 14, 2009) 19:17 Rockliff oh, know what? 19:16 gmcharlt my guess is that it's a relic of MARC21 practice 19:16 gmcharlt i.e., I'd argue that a *good* metadata editor is not one that requires the catalogers to have to think about such matters except when absolutely necessary 19:16 Rockliff i really wonder if there's any reason for @authority not to be available one level deeper, or if it's a relic of the way things have been in MARC... 19:15 Rockliff yes, that's true 19:14 gmcharlt although brings right back to the question of the editor 19:14 gmcharlt yep 19:13 Rockliff yeah, and "lcsh" could just as easily be a URI. 19:11 gmcharlt and wouldn't interfere with goal 14 (http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/design-principles-mods-mads.html) 19:10 gmcharlt it's better than nothing 19:10 gmcharlt but yeah, if you do a <geographic mymodsext:authority="lcsh">English</geographic> 19:09 gmcharlt and in turn gives one more levels of knobs to fiddle with - both a good and a bad thing 19:09 Rockliff gmcharlt: and no, it doesn't look like @authority is explicitly allowed at that level. but MODS, unlike MARC, is extensible. 19:06 Rockliff we would like to, yeah. 19:06 gmcharlt but you do? or were you just drawing on the example from LC's website? 19:05 Rockliff nor do they use it to describe monographs. 19:04 Rockliff well, the thing is, not too many people use AAT to construct precoordinated strings, apparently. 19:03 gmcharlt does AAT specify that one can draw geographic terms from LCSH? 19:03 gmcharlt yep, although I note that it doesn't seem to allow a distinct authority attribute for subject.topic, subject.geographic, subject.temporal 18:58 Rockliff but MODS allows for one <subject> to wrap multiple terms, each with its own namespace, essentially. 18:58 Rockliff right. 18:58 gmcharlt *beset 18:57 gmcharlt similar issues best the $0 18:57 Rockliff parsing the subfielded data relies on subfield order, which is just not a great idea. 18:57 Rockliff even a repeatable $2 doesn't really solve the problem, which is endemic to MARC 18:56 Rockliff but 'England'? where's that from? 18:55 Rockliff now, the $2 identifies the source as the getty AAT. 18:55 Rockliff 654 0#$cr$alandscape gardens$cy$b18th century$cz$bEngland.$2aat 18:55 Rockliff well, here... there's the 654 field, already. here's an example from LOC: 18:54 gmcharlt i.e., you want do be able to (in effect) mix headings from one theaurus and subdivisions from another? 18:53 Rockliff gmcharlt: the immediate impetus for the idea was the difficulty of combining terms from multiple vocabularies in, e.g., one MARC 6xx field, identifying the source of each explicitly. 18:53 sekjal Rockliff: sure thing. 18:51 Rockliff sekjal: i'll want to get in touch with someone at bywater for a quote on hosting, by the way. i've talked a bit to the people at equinox already. 18:49 Rockliff the former. 18:48 gmcharlt would you still need to ingest MARC (presumably converting it to MODS along the way), or would most of your cataloging by original? 18:47 Rockliff considering. :) 18:47 Rockliff no, i'm considering a wholesale migration from MARC to MODS. 18:47 gmcharlt do you have a corpus of MODS records already? 18:46 gmcharlt not that that would be a bad idea, just more time-consuming to do than to just have MODS or MARC21 (or both) be allowable metadata formats for the same bibliographic entities 18:46 Rockliff gmcharlt: right, right. well, MODS as drop-in replacement for MARC probably solves my immediate needs. 18:46 gmcharlt extending things so that there is a more explicit representation of (say) FRBR group 1 entities would mean more changes to Koha's metadata structure 18:45 gmcharlt MODS-qua-MARC with human-readable tags, doesn't make a difference as far as Koha's implicit idea of a biliographic entity is concerned 18:44 gmcharlt depends on what your goals are 18:44 Rockliff gmcharlt: the only problem with that is it would rob MODS of some of what makes it an improvement on MARC, wouldn't it? 18:43 Rockliff gmcharlt: yikes. nothing as streamlined as the cataloging interface in koha. 18:42 gmcharlt drop-in subtitute - a MODS record acting as a bibliographic entity with the same semantics as a MARC21 bib 18:42 gmcharlt Rockliff: are there currently any *good* external MODS editors you can recommend? 18:42 Rockliff gmcharlt: what do you mean by drop-in substitute? 18:42 sekjal Rockliff: why, yes, I am! we spoke, didn't we? 18:41 gmcharlt re actually cataloging in mods - Zebra can support it, and there's a relatively clear path to implementing it in Koha, particularly if MODs would be used as a drop-in substitute for a MARC bib record 18:41 Rockliff sekjal: you're not working for bywater now, by any chance? 18:41 sekjal just need the TCP/IP details to get hashed out, then configure Connexion to point to Koha 18:40 gmcharlt a gateway wouldn't be hard to write 18:40 sekjal I've talked to OCLC about developing a Gateway; I have the documentation somewhere.... (have changed jobs since) 18:39 Rockliff owen: i mean support for cataloging in MODS, actually. 18:38 sekjal yes, Zebra can ingest pretty much any XML, I think. we'd just have to configure how it parses the data, and then figure out the management of the MODS record in the database 18:38 owen What do you mean by MODS support? You can get MODS *out* of Koha via unapi 18:38 Rockliff now, #3 is technically possible, right? i mean, zebra is just as happy with MODS as MARC, right? 18:37 Rockliff there are really 3 things i want in koha which aren't there now: 1. course reserves; 2. a working oclc connexion gateway; 3. MODS support. it's hard to tell how far along any of these are, or how much work they'd entail. 18:34 sekjal Rockliff: it's pretty neat. I think I've gotten to like it as well or better than PHP 18:33 Rockliff hm, maybe i need to learn perl. 18:32 jwagner Would having modules in other languages limit development? Currently developers know everything is in Perl & work accordingly. 18:32 gmcharlt if you like C, writing it as an XS is another approach ;) 18:32 gmcharlt Rockliff: Perl for core business logic would definitely be preferable 18:30 sekjal but I don't suppose it would be strictly necessary, depending on the nature of the module 18:30 sekjal everything in Perl would be simpler 18:30 sekjal oooh, bigger question than I can answer on my own 18:28 Rockliff sekjal: now this raises another question i've had. koha is mainly perl, right? is it ok for individual modules to be in other languages, or does this cause big problems for everyone else? 18:27 sekjal I'm of two minds about it. the first case would probably be the least amount of effort for the most gain, but creating an integrated Koha Course Reserves would be fun, and allow some tighter integration 18:26 ccurry owen & nahuel: Thanks. Got your response from earlier. 18:24 Rockliff s/we/we're 18:24 Rockliff we non-circulating, so that doesn't matter much to us. 18:24 Rockliff sekjal: in our case, we're a small graduate institute considering koha 18:24 sekjal though RD does allow for electronic reserves, so it would also be providing that service integrated with the physical reserves 18:23 sekjal in that case, though, RD wouldn't be functioning as much more than an interactive list, indicating which courses the items are on reserve for. all circ would still need to be done in Koha 18:21 sekjal RD would just tell the user what the library has on reserve, and s/he would then need to go in and pick it up. 18:21 sekjal well, physical items would still need to be checked out from Circ... so I suppose one-way communication would work 18:19 Rockliff sekjal: so RD would alter availability info in koha... 18:17 sekjal users would need to login to RD in the first case, and it would communicate both directions with Koha 18:17 Rockliff gmcharlt: yes, i have 18:16 gmcharlt Rockliff: note the modification date on http://www.reservesdirect.org/wiki/index.php/Contributing_to_ReservesDirect 18:16 Rockliff sekjal: right. so in the first case, the flow of data would be koha > reservesdirect, really, right? 18:15 sekjal the former is probably easier, but the latter would have a more integrated user experience 18:15 sekjal Rockliff: there are two ways to go. You could write connectors so that a Reserves Direct install will talk to a Koha install, or you could adapt the RD code to be a part of Koha 18:13 Rockliff sekjal: when you say integration, what exactly do you mean? 18:13 sekjal Rockliff: I wouldn't be surprised 18:12 Rockliff i wonder if liblime's reserves module is made up of reservesdirect code? they don't mention it... 18:11 owen Rockliff: Plans for enhancements to Koha are driven largely by sponsorship, so without a sponsor for that developers aren't likely to take it on. 18:11 Sharon www.liblime.com/products/koha/liblime-enterprise-koha/llek-release-notes 18:10 Sharon schuster, I was looking at the release notes for LL yesterday and course reserves are part of LLEK 18:10 sekjal Rockliff: I've taken a look, and doing such an integration wouldn't be too bad, depending on how you wanted the workflow to look 18:09 Rockliff sekjal: aha. so no plans in the non-liblime community to integrate reservesdirect code, then? 18:09 schuster I had heard that LL was building a "reserves" module but not sure if it got off the ground... It was promised to WALDO libraries this spring. 18:09 owen Rockliff: And anything LibLime is working on is affecting only their proprietary fork of Koha 18:08 sekjal Rockliff: this may be something that LibLime initiated. looks like the edit was made back in May 08 18:07 jdavidb tomascohen, other than the use case I just mentioned, I can't see any particular preference one way or the other, really. Operationally, it should work fine either way. 18:04 Rockliff http://www.reservesdirect.org/wiki/index.php/Contributing_to_ReservesDirect 18:04 Rockliff owen: the reservesdirect site. "The Koha (http://www.koha.org/) Open Source Integrated Library System project is using ReservesDirect to build a reserves module into its ILS." 18:03 owen Rockliff: I haven't heard of that. Where did you hear about it? 17:59 Rockliff hello. anyone know where i can find out about where koha-reservesdirect integration is going? 17:46 Sharon my report was right, just needed to find an example to prove it! 17:46 tomascohen (i mean, as a sketch for any script) 17:46 Sharon thank you Jane and David 17:46 tomascohen and use $input->param before that for asking if we do need to pull the rest of the variables 17:44 tomascohen as far as I can see it could be used everywhere 17:44 tomascohen javidb: I understand how to use it, my question would be 'when it is desirable?' 17:43 munin jwagner: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 03:40 PM, August 14, 2009) 17:43 jwagner @quote random 17:42 Sharon cool, thanks. 17:42 jwagner I think it's items.issues, isn't it? 17:42 jdavidb Sharon: should be items.issues. 17:41 Sharon What field is that so I can include it in my weeding report? 17:41 Sharon Hi all, I'm create a report that needs to pull historic circ data migrated into the field marked in this screenshot: http://screencast.com/t/NzlmOTczZm 17:40 jdavidb (you could, then use foreach or similar constructs on it, when desirable.) 17:39 jdavidb tomascohen: As far as I can tell, the advantage to the %myparams approach is that then you can pass all of the params as a group. 17:39 * jdavidb submits a bill to his Congresscritter to pass a law that the US term for places where aircraft take off and land shall be henceforth "aerodrome." 17:38 tomascohen any perl/CGI monk there? 17:37 munin tomascohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0�C (12:00 PM ART on March 10, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 17:37 tomascohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 17:37 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 15.7�C (12:36 PM EST on March 10, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Falling). 17:37 jdavidb @wunder 20817 17:37 jdavidb 2wunder 20817 17:35 * jdavidb waves at chyde 17:35 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 4.7�C (11:32 AM CST on March 10, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Steady). Dense fog advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... 17:35 moodaepo @weather 56001 17:31 tomascohen in which cases would you recommend one or the other? 17:30 tomascohen using %myparameters = $input->Vars 17:30 tomascohen but i've found they use other method too 17:30 tomascohen to read post variables 17:29 tomascohen in general koha devs use $input->param('name') 17:29 tomascohen hi, i have a perl question regarding CGI 17:27 gmcharlt hi chyde 17:18 chris_n heya chyde 17:07 chyde hi all 17:07 chyde hi jane 17:06 jwagner Hi chyde 16:52 jwagner schuster ? 16:52 schuster hmmm Guess I should write up the Enhancement and get people's feedback. Pointing out my personal faults bowing to Jwagner for scolding her once on this. 16:52 nahuel great 16:52 nahuel :) 16:51 schuster thanks nahuel - we are working on a batch load program that would run as a cron so we are having to build things into the borrower_import.pl with some command line options since there isn't user interaction. 16:50 jwagner I have a patch worked out but not tested yet. 16:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4314 enhancement, P5, ---, firstname.lastname@example.org, ASSIGNED, Flag for SSL Enabled to fix 3rd Party Enhanced Content in OPAC 16:49 jwagner schuster, nowhere yet -- gmcharlt sent that patch in response to my new Bug 4314. I'm working on changes for Syndetics and LibraryThing 16:48 nahuel it's a variable defined in the .pl file 16:47 schuster OK since there are programmers here... I had a programmer ask me about where these calls <!-- tmpl_if name="using_https" --> reside? using_https ? 16:45 nahuel it was integrated 16:45 nahuel he just should checkout 3.0.x 16:45 nahuel yep and ? 16:45 owen nahuel: ccurry was wondering if "GetRecordValue" works in 3.00.05.001 for getting subtitles 16:42 nahuel ?? 16:42 ccurry nahuel & owen? I don't need an answer in a hurry, but I'm headed to lunch, so if you have an ideas for me, I'd be very appreciative if you emailed them to me @ email@example.com. I'll log back in after work if you'd prefer to answer me here. Cheers! 16:16 ccurry If it's relevant, I'm using a standard install, not a dev install. 16:13 ccurry ...stable without cherry picking all of the changes in every effected template? 16:13 munin 04Bug 3550: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, firstname.lastname@example.org, ASSIGNED, Use GetRecordValue to get the subtitle 16:13 ccurry Morning everyone. I have a question about installing patches in 3.00.05.001. This bug: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3550 (subtitle display) has been patched and I want to apply it to my install without upgrading to 3.2. Since this bug applied to HEAD, I expect the patches were only applied there, correct? Is there an easier way to apply this patch to current... 15:58 owen Seems to me that could be a little friendlier. 15:57 owen So if debug level = 2 we get lots of information, level 1 we get some, and level 0 we get "production mode - trapped fatal error" 15:34 * jwagner owes gmcharlt a beverage of his choice :-) 15:33 jdavidb sure 'nuf, jwagner, that's all you'll have to do. 15:33 * jdavidb sends cookies to gmcharlt. 15:32 jwagner So then in the template, just add in the checks for using_https where needed, correct? 15:31 jwagner gmcharlt++ and thanks! If I see how you do it, maybe I can figure it out myself next time :-) 15:30 jdavidb gmcharlt++ 15:27 gmcharlt adds a variable available to all templates that lets you do <!-- tmpl_if name="using_https" --> ... 15:26 gmcharlt jwagner: jdavidb: I just sent a patch 15:23 jdavidb I had thought of that, gmcharlt, when this came in for jwagner and me. that would user-proof it. 15:20 jwagner gmcharlt, I don't know how to do that :-( 15:19 gmcharlt jwagner: no need for a syspref - just pass a template variable if Koha detects that the page request uses SSL 15:16 jwagner The initial thought was to make it a Syndetics-specific syspref. Then Chris realized LibraryThing also needed it. If it's a generic syspref, it can be applied to any 3rd party calls. 15:16 jwagner Was hoping someone else would know :-) 15:16 jwagner I don't know. EBPL only uses Syndetics and LT, and I don't have SSL enabled anywhere else. 15:14 owen jwagner: Is there anything that needs to be done for Amazon and Baker & Taylor content? 15:13 jwagner And how do you add a syspref with the new syspref interface? I remember traffic about that, but don't remember a solution. 15:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4314 enhancement, P5, ---, email@example.com, ASSIGNED, Flag for SSL Enabled to fix 3rd Party Enhanced Content in OPAC 15:10 jwagner owen and anyone else, see Bug 4314 -- any issues you can think of with the proposed fix? 14:42 sekjal morning, owen 14:41 owen Hi sekjal 14:34 * owen is getting tired of receiving Ms. Espiau-Bechetoille's vacation auto-responder messages 14:12 magnus ubuntu++ 14:09 chris_n the library here will be going ubuntu this summer, however :) 14:09 chris_n Vista was a total disaster and we skipped it entirely 14:08 chris_n the very few systems here running Win7 are gathering very few complaints 14:06 Ropuch Despite Win7 on board 14:06 Ropuch Even now I was provided for extra xp drivers and install instruction for my new lap by my supplier ;> 14:05 Ropuch XP was so good it was marketing disaster for MS actually 14:03 Ropuch collum: ;> 14:03 Ropuch Well, Win7 sems to be ok, I have it preinstalled on my new laptop, but I'm rarely booting into it 14:03 collum My laptop was mistakenly delivered with XP. I didn't complain. 14:02 jwagner I took one look at Vista & stubbornly clung to my XP installs. Is Win7 any better? 14:02 Ropuch I have never installed Vista, but i removed couple of it ;> 14:02 Ropuch Let's face it: XP is best thing MS ever released, but it's been 10 years now 13:57 * collum must be a slow reader or my brain was seizing up 13:57 chris_n but in any case, the improvement in both memory management and multicore support in Win7 is worth the switch imho 13:56 chris_n hmm... I have installed xp 32bit on several systems with quad cores and had no success in it acknowledging more than two cores 13:54 Ropuch Oh, it seems it can 13:53 Ropuch Um, 2 cores 13:53 Ropuch But I'm not sure if xp can handle more than 4 cores 13:52 Ropuch chris_n: don't know - here's memomry capabilities http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx 13:52 jdavidb I should hope so. 13:52 jdavidb lol 13:52 * owen is even more amused that Microsoft's Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor reports that Microsoft's Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor is compatible with Windows 7 13:51 * owen is amused by Microsoft's windows 7 Upgrade Advisor, which doesn't seem to noticed 80% of the programs I have installed 13:50 chris_n Ropuch++ 13:50 jdavidb Ropuch++ 13:49 jwagner Ropuch++ 13:49 chris_n will it handle more than 2 cores? 13:49 chris_n Ropuch: tnx, I did not realize that 13:49 jwagner Hmmmm... Maybe there are advantages to being out sick :-) 13:49 * jdavidb nominates Ropuch for the #koha Loving-the-Hard-To-Love prize. 13:49 * chris_n thinks an op would have been nice at that point in time 13:48 Ropuch ;> 13:47 jdavidb And to Ropuch for tryin' to help him. 13:47 jdavidb props to joetho and wizzyrea for telling him to tone down the tacky talk. 13:46 Ropuch chris_n: 64bit XP can handle up to 128GB 13:46 * jdavidb hasn't seen anything quite like that in a while. For which he is duly grateful. 13:46 * jwagner too 13:44 * collum must now go and read the logs. 13:44 chris_n hehe 13:44 jdavidb owen: he'd just appeared when I left for the day. Reading the logs has been...uhm...interesting. Like watching a forty-car pileup on the Beltway. 13:43 chris_n as a rule we only run the 64bit version of the os here if a) it is the only thing that will support the hardware (ie. xp will not support more than 2 cores) or b) the main app is in 64bit form 13:42 chris_n so there is some inefficiency from that prospective 13:42 chris_n as I understand it, a 64bit os reserves wider slices of ram for application use than 32 bit; but the 32bit app can only access some portion smaller than that reserved by the os 13:41 jwagner It's a tough life, being a fairy god-aunt.... 13:40 chris_n as well 13:40 chris_n XP had a hard coded limit of 4GB iirc 13:40 chris_n vista/win7 use a completely different memory management algorithm which is much improved over XP, et al. 13:40 * jwagner says the OTHER niece got a laptop with only 3GB RAM and 32-bit Vista.... 13:40 * owen sees in the logs that psychokiller was in fine form yesterday 13:39 collum That's the problem we are finding. Our PC tech was going to replace public computers at one of our locations with machines with the 64-bit version, but some of the apps were not yet available. The main one being PC Reservation. 13:35 jwagner I bought a new laptop for one of my nieces last year, and got one with 4GB RAM. It came with 64-bit Vista which surprised me; they said 32-bit couldn't handle 4GB RAM. Don't know if she's had any other problems -- the first one we found was that the antivirus software the college provides free didn't have a 64-bit version. 13:29 * owen isn't very up on the subject, but got the opportunity to snag a new computer here at work 13:28 owen Interesting...I thought there were disadvantages to the way 32-bit Windows handled that much RAM 13:27 * chris_n runs 64 bit ubuntu 13:27 chris_n otherwise there are performance penalties due to the the way ram is reserved in a 64 bit environment iirc 13:26 chris_n owen: most likely it is only useful if your favorite app is also 64 bit 13:17 collum But she has had no problem with 7. She was formerly on vista. 13:16 collum My colleague 10 feet away is using 7, but we just checked and it's 32 bit. 13:16 * owen is trying to decide whether 64-bit is worth the trouble over 32-bit on a machine with 8GB RAM 13:14 * jdavidb only uses Windows at work because the bosses make me, and at home only because of one game that just won't run in wine. 13:14 owen Oh that's not good :) 13:14 * jdavidb shudders. 13:14 owen Off topic, but does anyone here use 64-bit Windows 7? 13:13 * jdavidb spent the day flailing away on other matters. 13:13 jdavidb you beat me by one, owen. Good job. 13:13 chris_n that's one less bug ;) 13:13 owen I hope others had some luck 13:12 owen Tally of bug fixes yesterday: 1. 13:12 chris_n howdy owen 13:12 owen Hi 13:12 jdavidb Hi, owen. :) 13:12 * chris_n heads off to the failed raid array data recovery salt mine 13:11 jdavidb :) 13:11 chris_n g'morning #koha 13:11 chris_n jdavidb: lol 13:11 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 12.0�C (7:42 AM EST on March 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 13:11 chris_n @wunder 28334 12:49 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (1:20 PM CET on March 10, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). 12:49 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 12:48 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 6.2�C (7:47 AM EST on March 10, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). 12:48 jwagner @wunder 20740 12:45 jdavidb <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="Appropriate_greeting_for_your_timezone" -->, #koha! 10:52 chris yep 10:49 magnus CAS is for logging in, right? 10:48 magnus thanks chris, i'll add those two! 10:03 chris i think thats all of them 09:59 chris LDAP 09:59 chris CAS 09:46 magnus next week i will be bragging to norwegian librarians about all the protocols that koha supports: Z39.50, SRU, OAI-PMH, ILS-DI, CoinS, OpenSearch, SIP2 - have i missed any? 07:41 Ropuch Hi Amit_G 07:40 Amit_G heya Ropuch 07:28 Ropuch Morning #koha 05:11 wajasu or is that not the latest dev branch or tag? 05:11 wajasu or are changes not done very often 05:10 wajasu is that the latest? 05:10 wajasu but i pulled that a day ago 05:10 wajasu when i create my work branch i used origin/3.0.x 04:42 Nouman Good morning 03:49 ebegin since we know that there is a problem related to that, it's ok. 03:48 ebegin or the code could check for the name attribute instead of the value... 03:47 chris then we can translate them 03:47 chris so needs to use a hidden input instead 03:47 chris so if you translate them, the script breaks 03:46 chris because some scripts use the value 03:46 chris its harder than including them 03:46 chris ahh there is a bug for that 03:45 ebegin Is there is a way to detect them to be included in the translation packages? 03:44 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -1.0�C (10:00 PM EST on March 09, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 03:44 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec 03:44 ebegin chris, I wish I was in Singapore too!!! 03:43 ebegin I just noticed that the translation of the submit button are not getting listed in pootle... exemple: <input type="submit" value="Submit Changes" ... > 03:43 chris heh, unlikely even 03:43 chris im unlinkely to be able to do much until saturday tho, am in singapore at the moment 03:42 chris yep, will hand over to frederic1 soon, but still in charge at the moment 03:42 ebegin chris, do you still in charge of the translation? :) 03:42 ebegin hello! 03:29 chris so 9.30pm nz time 03:29 chris yeah 4.30pm singapore time tomorrow 03:25 Amit_G hi all 03:21 eythian oh, no, this time tomorrow I think. 03:21 richard ah 03:20 eythian richard: chris'll be giving his demo in about 10 minutes, probably been preparing :) 02:59 richard how's singapore? 02:59 richard hellio chris 02:01 chris hello 00:13 psychokiller tough luck 00:13 psychokiller got that message 00:13 psychokiller just followed this 00:13 psychokiller http://bagno.be/poradniki/instalacja-koha/ 00:10 psychokiller http://127.0.1.1:8080 00:10 psychokiller when i tried this 00:07 moodaepo psychokiller: when do you get that error? 00:03 psychokiller koha 00:03 psychokiller i just need kphja 00:02 psychokiller what does that tell me ?