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23:43 chris_n nice; Breeding's releases use koha-community.org
23:03 pianohackr|work Hi :)
23:02 brendan :)
23:02 brendan hey pianohackr|work
23:02 chris you all healed up now?
23:02 pianohackr|work Hi, chris
23:02 chris hi pianohackr|work
22:30 wizzyrea indy*
22:30 wizzyrea hey john
22:30 wizzyrea yep, lots of good stuff there
22:30 psychokiller that was from New Zealand too however
22:29 wizzyrea yep
22:29 psychokiller it wasn't that exciting
22:28 psychokiller or something
22:28 psychokiller called greenstone
22:28 psychokiller ... so i came across with another opensource software
22:27 psychokiller even the writers are happy when you do that
22:27 psychokiller is a contribution to civilization
22:27 psychokiller well sometimes scanning a book that's not on the market anymore
22:26 psychokiller im talking about librarians off papers
22:25 psychokiller im not talking about libraries
22:25 wizzyrea our patrons... on the other hand...
22:25 wizzyrea no, libraries do not do that
22:24 wizzyrea psychokiller: to circumvent library policies, as a staff member, would be unethical and unfair to the patrons
22:24 psychokiller no to illegally upload them on internet
22:24 bgkriegel to make an electronic copy?
22:23 psychokiller do you scan books from your library ?
22:22 wizzyrea and the next time it's checked in, the staff member will get a notification that the next person in line gets the book
22:22 psychokiller but YOU ARE THE LIBRARIAN
22:22 wizzyrea they can put a hold on it.
22:22 psychokiller what do you do ?
22:22 psychokiller and someone comes in and wants the book you borrowed
22:21 psychokiller and you just do that
22:21 psychokiller so i have a question suppose you want to check out a book
22:21 psychokiller ill give it a try anyway
22:20 psychokiller its too good to be true
22:20 wizzyrea pretty much
22:20 psychokiller i store in a usb drive and then copy it to my new installation ?
22:20 psychokiller and what do i do it ?
22:19 wizzyrea linux is cool like that :P
22:19 psychokiller its small
22:19 wizzyrea yep
22:19 psychokiller really ?
22:19 bgkriegel in that file is the network configuration
22:19 bgkriegel no problem
22:19 psychokiller sorry
22:19 psychokiller ok found it
22:18 psychokiller no such dir
22:17 wizzyrea ^^
22:16 bgkriegel keep a copy of /etc/network/interfaces
22:15 Genji use virtualbox.
22:15 psychokiller oh my god i just remembered does this mean i have to set up AGAIN my internet connection with an ethernet cable ?
22:15 bgkriegel :)
22:15 wizzyrea bgkriegel: you're just *that* much faster than me ;)
22:15 wizzyrea ^^
22:14 psychokiller yes
22:14 bgkriegel http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server
22:13 psychokiller where is 1. ?
22:13 wizzyrea and we can help you
22:13 wizzyrea 3. come back when you've got a stable, standard environment
22:12 wizzyrea 2. pick the LAMP option
22:12 * chris heads out
22:12 wizzyrea 1. download ubuntu server
22:12 psychokiller lol
22:12 psychokiller well she didnt translate much to be honest
22:12 psychokiller it is ?
22:12 wizzyrea So
22:12 wizzyrea ...wow, batting 1k there
22:11 chris its a woman
22:11 psychokiller is there an email of that guy ?
22:11 psychokiller dont know who the hell translate it
22:11 psychokiller yes i saw that too
22:11 chris there is even a koha greek site
22:10 psychokiller that i *now live
22:10 psychokiller but oh well lot of what we now call western civilization started in this dreadfull place that i know live
22:10 chris but that's an argument for philosophers not me
22:10 chris and id dispute that writing is the measure of civilisation
22:10 psychokiller established first place for civilization
22:09 psychokiller well mesopotamia is actually the
22:09 psychokiller 3500 bc
22:09 chris egypt is in africa
22:09 psychokiller and egypt
22:09 psychokiller it started in mesopotamia
22:09 chris lol
22:09 psychokiller civilisation = first written documents
22:08 psychokiller nope
22:08 chris civilisation != white people
22:08 psychokiller anyway
22:08 wizzyrea they just aren't on that map
22:08 psychokiller no it wasnt africa
22:08 chris and yes lots of people use Koha in Europe
22:07 richard lol
22:07 chris bzzt that was africa
22:07 psychokiller no one uses Koha in Europe ?
22:07 psychokiller it's where civilization started
22:07 psychokiller do you people no about a place called Europe ?
22:07 brendan morelinks++
22:07 psychokiller oh my god !
22:07 brendan wizzyrea
22:07 brendan nice plug wizzyrea_
22:06 wizzyrea (for one, it's up to date)
22:06 wizzyrea which is a much better resource than koha.org, at the moment
22:06 wizzyrea in fact you may be interested in http://koha-community.org
22:06 wizzyrea http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha
22:06 wizzyrea no sir
22:05 psychokiller does koha reign only in New Zealand ?
22:05 psychokiller oh well
22:05 psychokiller well no greek uni that i know of uses koha but
22:05 psychokiller starting to build my site
22:04 psychokiller so i wanted to check out some open source library software before
22:03 psychokiller a post-degree course on librarianship
22:03 psychokiller and i want to pursue after my first degree
22:03 psychokiller its building an e-library
22:02 wizzyrea Ahhh
22:02 psychokiller we call it here Degree project
22:02 psychokiller and doing my senior project
22:02 psychokiller well actually im studying in a university in the Digital Systems department
22:01 wizzyrea with great power comes great responsibility
22:01 psychokiller who can tell if you checked them out or not ?
22:01 psychokiller but you are the masters
22:01 psychokiller lol
22:01 wizzyrea no, we check them out, like normal people
22:01 psychokiller do you steal books from the libraries ?
22:00 psychokiller that's nice
22:00 wizzyrea is this for library school?
22:00 wizzyrea developers, interested parties
22:00 psychokiller *in libraries
22:00 wizzyrea all of the above
22:00 psychokiller web developers working on libraries ?
21:59 psychokiller so you are all librarians ?
21:59 psychokiller oh lord
21:58 wizzyrea that would be why you didn't see it
21:58 wizzyrea http://tinyurl.com/ygk29dx
21:58 psychokiller i think i did desktop
21:58 psychokiller is there a tutorial handy for LAMP installation
21:57 wizzyrea did you do server or desktop?
21:57 psychokiller i didnt see that selection to be honest
21:57 psychokiller can't do a reinstall
21:57 bgkriegel as wizzyrea told you, if you install ubuntu server it simply as select LAMP server on the installation screen
21:57 wizzyrea it's working pretty much out of the box.
21:57 wizzyrea that's why we propose the LAMP option on Ubuntu server install
21:55 psychokiller oh lord
21:55 psychokiller for that
21:55 psychokiller dont think there something in the greek ubuntu forum
21:55 psychokiller every single part of LAMP
21:55 psychokiller i know have to get some TUTORIALS on how to install
21:55 psychokiller ok
21:55 wizzyrea not if you stop it
21:54 bgkriegel no if it remains stopped
21:54 psychokiller and there isnt going to be a conflict ?
21:54 psychokiller i dont ?
21:54 bgkriegel simply stop it: /opt/lampp/lampp stop
21:54 bgkriegel but tou don't need to uninstall
21:53 psychokiller please
21:53 bgkriegel yes, it's all on tha path
21:53 psychokiller oh please GOD !!!!
21:53 psychokiller it can't be that GOOD ?
21:53 psychokiller that's it ?
21:53 bgkriegel rm -rf /opt/lampp
21:53 psychokiller well how do i uninstall XAMPP from Ubuntu ? does it take 4 hours too ?
21:52 bgkriegel but on standard paths
21:52 bgkriegel yes
21:52 psychokiller well thats what LAMP is , isn;t ?
21:52 wizzyrea ^^
21:52 bgkriegel you can try to install the requiered package individually: apache2, php-mysql, mysql-server
21:51 wizzyrea !!
21:51 psychokiller a rope
21:51 psychokiller so i better prepare a ladder
21:51 wizzyrea so the project is due tomorrow then
21:51 psychokiller i've already installed it 2 times
21:51 psychokiller oh my god
21:51 wizzyrea yes, or try it in a virtualbox, if you don't feel like wiping
21:50 psychokiller Reinstall Ubuntu 9.10
21:50 psychokiller conlusion , you are telling me to do this :1
21:49 wizzyrea (no offense)
21:49 psychokiller but anyways are you telling me i have to re-install 9.10 ?
21:49 wizzyrea plus, as I have said many times, ubuntu server installer, for nubs, is win
21:49 psychokiller haven't seen it
21:49 psychokiller one of the options is this ?
21:49 wizzyrea he might though ;)
21:49 psychokiller for other reasons
21:49 psychokiller i do need PHP
21:49 chris not for koha anyway
21:49 wizzyrea when you are running the installer from the CD for ubuntu server, one of the options is "LAMP server"
21:48 psychokiller i have to install one at a time ?
21:48 chris yeah but you dont want php
21:48 psychokiller so no package ?
21:48 psychokiller i know that
21:48 wizzyrea LAMP is linux/apache/mysql/php
21:48 wizzyrea erm
21:48 wizzyrea www.virtualbox.org, if you don't want to dedicate an entire computer to it
21:47 psychokiller so where can i find LAMP ?
21:47 wizzyrea i'm not sure, but it probably wouldn't hurt
21:47 psychokiller so do i need to unnistall XAMPP ?
21:47 wizzyrea :)
21:47 wizzyrea we will have a MUCH easier time trying to help you
21:46 wizzyrea and try the instructions again
21:46 wizzyrea pick the LAMP option
21:46 wizzyrea download the latest ubuntu server
21:46 psychokiller aha
21:46 wizzyrea that said, I propose you do the following:
21:45 psychokiller is there a 3. ?
21:45 wizzyrea 2. it really works better if you go straight LAMP, and it's really not hard to configure
21:45 wizzyrea 1. the istructions weren't written for xampp, so that immediately makes it much harder
21:44 psychokiller i can take it
21:44 wizzyrea ok... here's the hard truth:
21:44 psychokiller i get nothinh
21:43 wizzyrea that's the easiest, i think
21:43 psychokiller in the terminal ?
21:43 wizzyrea ok, can you 'locate koha-httpd.conf' ?
21:42 psychokiller its opt/lampp/etc/httpd.com
21:42 psychokiller so what do i do ?
21:42 bgkriegel just /etc/httpd.conf or in a directory?
21:41 psychokiller and its in there
21:41 psychokiller there is etc
21:41 psychokiller i did
21:41 wizzyrea or are you gui ubuntu only
21:41 wizzyrea can you 'locate httpd.conf'
21:40 wizzyrea is there a /lampp/etc/ directory?
21:40 psychokiller lets see
21:40 psychokiller will point me to them
21:40 psychokiller i assume the Control Panel
21:40 bgkriegel ok, do you know where are the configuration files for your web server?
21:40 * wizzyrea hasn't used it in a while
21:39 psychokiller not plain LAMP
21:39 wizzyrea we'll get there, let me check out xampp real quicky like
21:39 psychokiller i installed XAMPP
21:39 wizzyrea sok, we feel ya
21:39 psychokiller no
21:39 bgkriegel there is no /etc/apache2 ??
21:39 psychokiller i need this for my degree project
21:39 * wizzyrea is here to help
21:39 psychokiller please im begging
21:38 psychokiller so what can i do ?
21:38 psychokiller it works
21:38 wizzyrea same thing, just weird paths
21:38 psychokiller yes XAMPP on UBUNTU it can be done
21:38 psychokiller it needs plain old LAMP
21:38 wizzyrea xampp on ubuntu?
21:38 psychokiller doesnt work with XAMPP ?
21:38 psychokiller but no apache directory
21:37 wizzyrea OH
21:37 psychokiller i installed XAMPP
21:37 wizzyrea usually /etc/apache2
21:37 psychokiller i have none
21:37 psychokiller so where is my APACHE directory ?
21:37 wizzyrea oh, 3.0.2?
21:37 psychokiller but i was joking
21:37 psychokiller well he is familiar with ubuntu
21:37 psychokiller the first one
21:37 psychokiller http://koha.org/download
21:36 wizzyrea hopefully not because of ubuntu
21:36 psychokiller i downloaded this :
21:36 bgkriegel psyckokiller: you downloaded a tarball or use git
21:36 psychokiller they put him in a mental hospital
21:35 psychokiller up to now but he had to leave
21:35 psychokiller im new on ubuntu I was guided by a fellow
21:35 psychokiller i guess i did a dev
21:35 psychokiller dont know about that
21:35 wizzyrea did you do a dev or standard install?
21:35 psychokiller whats right ?
21:35 psychokiller yes ?
21:34 chris right
21:34 wizzyrea Ah yea
21:34 chris ah apache
21:34 psychokiller Configure and start Apache $ sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha (note that the path to koha-httpd.conf may be different depending on your installation choices)
21:34 chris (configure and start zebra)
21:34 chris it is better to follow INSTALL.debian-lenny, option 2
21:34 psychokiller thats actually step 4
21:33 psychokiller one minute
21:33 chris right, for step 5
21:33 * chris is checking he is reading the same thing
21:33 chris the INSTALL.ubuntu one?
21:32 psychokiller of the install readme
21:32 psychokiller im stuck with step 5
21:32 chris so 3.0.5 ?
21:32 psychokiller latest version of Koha and Ubuntu too
21:32 psychokiller any help provided here ?
21:32 chris what version?
21:31 psychokiller after trying to install kohan on ubuntu
21:31 psychokiller yes and to be honest i feel like one
21:31 psychokiller im amazed that there are some many people here
21:31 chris talking heads fan? :)
21:31 psychokiller hello
21:22 munin bgkriegel: Error: No such location could be found.
21:22 bgkriegel @wunder 87344
21:16 moodaepo Yes it got warmer! Thanks Sun.
21:15 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 2.2�C (3:11 PM CST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady).
21:15 moodaepo @wunder 56001
21:10 wizzyrea oh, it's the weather time of day
21:09 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (1:08 PM PST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady).
21:09 brendan @wunder 93117
20:54 * gmcharlt sees that schuster has made other plans
20:53 schuster off to the dentist... thanks everyone have a great night!
20:52 schuster ;)
20:52 schuster Whoo who! Squished a bug without looking! ...
20:45 schuster ok will do ..
20:44 gmcharlt yep, please merge the bugs
20:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4146 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, dependancies needed for installation
20:44 schuster bug 4146
20:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading
20:44 schuster bug 4151
20:44 schuster ok thanks. There is a log 4146 that I created dealing with dependancies too that is probably a duplicate to what is in 4151... Do you want me to compare and edit 4151 and then close the other?
20:43 gmcharlt schuster: add to 4151
20:43 schuster gmcharlt - so last night I added a comment to log 4151 - about some other typo stuff, would you prefer a new log or just keep commenting there?
20:42 Lee later peeps
20:42 Lee :)
20:41 nengard reference added to wikipedia page
20:39 nengard we're excited!!! :)
20:37 magnus yeah, i noticed that too - nice!
20:37 wizzyrea and whoa, about sekjal joining bywater!? That's so cool!
20:36 nengard and i put a lot of edits to update things - not just that link
20:36 nengard i'll put a reference in
20:36 gmcharlt i.e., it may not be a big deal, but don't be surprised if the wikipedia change gets reverted
20:36 wizzyrea nengard that's the point, wikipedia articles are *supposed* to be neutral
20:36 gmcharlt heh - define official - it's official to me and thee, but would be contested by others
20:35 nengard but it's not nuetral - i'll add a reference to it to show that it's official
20:35 schuster Guess that maybe needs to be added to the INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions?
20:35 gmcharlt neutral point of view
20:35 magnus nengard: i agree with you so i wont change it, but i know too little about the inner workings of wikipedia...
20:35 nengard NPOV?
20:34 schuster AH!!! -v +++
20:34 gmcharlt nengard: as I told magnus, that's going to be considered a NPOV violation by wikipedia regulars
20:34 chris_n and are you running the script as your kohauser?
20:33 chris_n schuster: add -v
20:33 nengard you guys can add it back - but it's not the official site - the community just said so
20:33 nengard it's not the official site
20:33 chris yeah wikipedia wont like that
20:33 nengard well that page has nothing up to date on it - so i removed it
20:33 magnus nengard: gmcharlt thought removing koha.org completely might be a bad idea, i think...
20:32 schuster Question - I have my 3.2 database loaded but am having trouble getting the zebra index to run. When I do rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w it just sits there and acts like it's doing something...
20:31 magnus nengard: goody, i got sidetracked on something else
20:31 nengard magnus - read my mind - i was in there editing the page you should refresh it
20:28 wizzyrea gmcharlt++
20:27 gmcharlt k, comment posted
20:24 wizzyrea and I think I'll unlink koha.org
20:24 wizzyrea I just took out all references to "temporary"
20:23 wizzyrea ok sounds good
20:23 gmcharlt I'll do that as a comment to that post
20:23 gmcharlt though I think we should say something about today's decision as well, if nothing else to point to the IRC log
20:22 wizzyrea you lose, I already did it ;)
20:22 * gmcharlt plays rock, paper, scissors with wizzyrea
20:21 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yes, we should
20:20 wizzyrea do we want to change the Temp home statement, gmcharlt?
20:17 gmcharlt yep
20:16 magnus add koha-community.org at the bottom, then?
20:16 magnus gmcharlt: ok
20:16 gmcharlt magnus: no - that would be a NPOV violation from wikipedia's point of view
20:15 magnus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28software%29 has both koha-community.org and koha.org in the sidebar, but only koha.org at the bottom - should we remove koha.org?
20:10 chris its 3rd for koha ils
20:10 * owen has been trying to chase down koha.org links on myacpl.org
20:10 * magnus sees koha-community.org as hit #9 in a google-search for "koha" - not too bad?
20:07 chris yep
20:07 Lee chris see my verison on other channel
20:06 nengard oops - wrong window
20:06 nengard in FL
20:05 wizzyrea ty ty
20:05 nengard wizzyrea to help with that google rank i changed every link to koha.org on my blog to koha-community - i also updated the facebook & linkedin pages :)
20:04 BobB quit
20:03 wizzyrea :D
20:03 wizzyrea richard++ ok, mystery solved
20:03 richard gah. sorry i forgot to ask si about it
20:03 wizzyrea hm. As far as I know the DNS is still hosted by the registrar
20:03 chris that was last meeting
20:02 wizzyrea sorry, i was on my phone reading, I might have missed that
20:02 wizzyrea :)_
20:02 wizzyrea oh, well problem solved then :()
20:02 chris i thought katipo offered to host the dns?
20:01 wizzyrea DNS: the registrar's hosting isn't all too flexible
20:01 wizzyrea ok, so practical
20:00 * gmcharlt shivers
20:00 wizzyrea ATT, same thing.
19:59 gmcharlt wizzyrea: run, run fast if it is getting its cellular service from SkyNet
19:59 * wizzyrea is unnerved
19:58 chris_n hehe
19:58 wizzyrea wow that was nuts
19:58 wizzyrea lol apparently... my phone has gone crazy... it's off and locked!!
19:58 BobB Thanks all. Bye
19:58 chris_n quite mobile today Liz?
19:57 * wizzyrea looks around for her evil twin
19:57 wizzyrea lol really?
19:57 Lee thanks for chairing gmc
19:57 chris_n bye Jo
19:57 Jo nick /joaway
19:57 Lee thanks Jo
19:57 owen Thank you Jo
19:57 wizzyrea bye jo
19:56 Jo thanks folks - gotta run sorry
19:56 gmcharlt ok, thanks all - I declare this meeting done and Jo free to run away and leave us ;)
19:56 davi It is good stay in lists.koha.org for some time to direct people to new lists.koha-community.org
19:55 chris_n grrrr
19:55 wizzyrea tetchy, i like that
19:55 davi ack gmcharlt
19:55 gmcharlt davi: yeah, but that should probably be the *last* subsite we change the name of, as people do get tetchy about messing with their email settings
19:54 davi +1 6 April 2010
19:54 davi There is not better announcement than leave lists.koha.org and go to lists.koha-community.org
19:54 magnus +1
19:54 Lee +1
19:53 Jo cool
19:53 chris_n +1
19:53 gmcharlt I propose 6 April 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0
19:53 thd Jo+1
19:53 Jo (thd: was a joke ... we run amnesty's on library books)
19:52 BobB thd: A general pardon of past offences granted by government
19:52 gmcharlt let's set the time for the next meeting
19:52 gmcharlt I think we're veering into chatter now
19:52 hdl_laptop quite quickly.
19:52 davi Forget about koha.org up to we get it back on control
19:52 hdl_laptop But we could give back lists.
19:52 Lee I think I said that...
19:52 davi A complete re-branding
19:52 hdl_laptop davi++
19:51 davi Also, all koha-community.org would be less confusion than some koha.org and other not
19:51 thd Jo: amnesty?
19:51 gmcharlt Jo++ # hope it works :)
19:51 magnus Jo++
19:51 nengard Jo++
19:51 Lee lol
19:51 davi chris, So it can be switch via DNS change IP
19:50 wizzyrea jo++
19:50 Jo (I'm inclined to ask for an amenesty on all Koha property: just return it - no questions asked :)
19:50 chris davi: not the dns, but the site yes
19:50 gmcharlt davi: that would be LibLime
19:50 davi Who control the parent koha.org? That is to say, do we have control of lists.koha.org if we do not have control of its parent koha.org?
19:50 thd I hope to avoid extra tedious copying of content
19:50 hdl_laptop But DNS is hosted by LL
19:50 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: we host lists.koha.org
19:49 gmcharlt well, also the issue that LL controls top-level DNS for koha.org
19:49 Lee Butte has server space but limited tech support
19:49 chris its only the ones hosted at LL taht are a problem
19:49 chris so another dns thing, like translate
19:49 nengard awesome
19:49 gmcharlt nengard: BibLibre controls lists.koha.org, easy enough to add an additional name
19:49 chris nengard: also hosted offsite
19:49 wizzyrea contribs we could do as a subdomain of the existing koha-community
19:48 gmcharlt so then regarding the of gathering other community property, I suggest we ask HLT to report back during the next meeting
19:48 nengard gmcharlt speaking of the lists - there is also lists.koha.org :)
19:48 wizzyrea thd++ for docuwiki expertise
19:48 russ gmcharlt: thanks
19:48 chris yep sounds good
19:48 chris (translate.koha-community.org)
19:48 gmcharlt ok, then I propose we move this discussion onto the mailing lists
19:47 chris thats already hosted offsite, so that would just be dns
19:47 russ gmcharlt: chris and i would need to talk to our directors here first
19:47 * wizzyrea notes that there will need to be some changes re: DNS hosting before they can go up
19:47 gmcharlt forgot one - translations
19:47 gmcharlt and to distribute them internationally
19:47 thd I have much experience setting up and modifying dokuwiki
19:47 gmcharlt so at this point, I'd like to call for volunteers for people to host koha-community.org subdomains
19:46 BobB Two issues are being discussed : koha-community.org and gathering community property from others than Liblime
19:46 * wizzyrea lets it die ;)
19:46 Jo can we move on please folks (sorry but I have leave very soon)
19:46 gmcharlt git & gitweb
19:46 gmcharlt contribs
19:46 gmcharlt wiki
19:46 thd wizzyrea: in the community even somewhat is helpful
19:46 gmcharlt bugs database
19:46 gmcharlt main website # NEKLS and wizzyrea are doing that right now
19:46 gmcharlt so as far as practical next steps are concerned, we have the following services to recreate
19:46 davi wizzyrea, But are they continuing to give back?
19:45 thd wizzyrea: I think that is something to like
19:45 Jo thanks
19:45 wizzyrea their copyright notice is in zillions of our files
19:45 gmcharlt Next issues if negotiations have concluded.
19:45 gmcharlt Jo: the current agenda item is #
19:45 davi are they giving back?
19:44 wizzyrea like it or not LL is still in our community, to some extent.
19:44 davi ok, I see
19:44 chris_n [off] but we can off the record ;)
19:44 Jo so where we are up to again sorry - lost the thread
19:44 wizzyrea even if they are <things we cannot say in public>
19:43 wizzyrea and, frankly, it looks bad to denigrate one sector of our own community
19:43 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ # we're on the mainstream side of the fork, in any event
19:43 davi wizzyrea, Maybe you are right
19:43 chris_n wizzyrea++ # the high ground is the best ground
19:43 nengard thought of another url - contribs.koha.org
19:43 Lee agreed
19:42 wizzyrea as koha.org gets more and more out of date, and koha-community has updated and good content, informing people won't be necessary
19:42 russ wizzyrea: +1
19:42 Jo wizzyrea : I agree
19:42 thd gmcharlt; and any other types of registrations
19:42 * owen agrees with wizzyrea
19:42 davi wizzyrea, It is not political, It is informing users
19:42 Jo not Jo and HLT anymore : The Koha Subcommittee
19:42 Lee +1 Liz
19:42 thd gmcharlt; I meant various domains held by businesses with Koha in the name
19:42 wizzyrea just keep the hight ground
19:41 gmcharlt which leaves as outstanding issues some points of discussion with PTFS, which I suggest we ask Jo and HLT to conitnue to pursue
19:41 wizzyrea davi: I would really, really rather leave koha-community as apolitical as possible
19:41 Jo paperwork filed re EU koha stuff
19:41 davi I would include a <div> in koha-community asking to get back koha.org to community control, but stating we do not have in any hurry. Up to them, LibLime
19:41 gmcharlt thd: BibLibre's transfer of the EU copyright to HLT is not a problem AFAIK
19:41 wizzyrea ok back at keyboard whew
19:40 nengard recreated and promoted well enough to bring new koha users to the right place
19:40 thd gmcharlt: just to be clear there are still parties with whom to negotiate
19:40 gmcharlt as I see it, what we have facing us is now a simple practical matter of getting the various services recreated
19:39 gmcharlt Next issues if negotiations have concluded.
19:39 gmcharlt #
19:39 gmcharlt ok, that brings us straight into the next agenda item
19:39 davi wizzyrea_mobile, post copies of the same article at several ones, redit, dig, social networks and so on
19:39 Lee +1 Liz
19:39 pnalon yes
19:39 wizzyrea_mobile Or just use one and redirect
19:39 russ gmcharlt: yep
19:39 gmcharlt well, not ideally, but you know hwat I mean
19:39 chris yes
19:38 gmcharlt russ: ideally, yes
19:38 russ so migrate to koha-community, hope to get koha.org back some time, then migrate back?
19:38 Lee think of it as rebranding
19:38 wizzyrea_mobile We just really need a place we have access to to post news
19:38 thd gmcharlt++ sadly
19:38 thd russ: not giving up all hope
19:38 gmcharlt russ: hope of getting it via negotiations with LibLime
19:37 russ err so we are giving up all hope of getting back to koha.org then?
19:37 thd BobB++
19:37 davi So, include always the name of such bad entities. Could you repeat here again the bad name of such bad entity?
19:37 wizzyrea_mobile on a practical level someone will have to properly host the dns
19:37 Lee Koha.org is archieval community is the future
19:37 thd davi: calling people bad may be true but it generally does not help persuade and seems especially unconvincing wwhen thhey have been good in the past
19:37 BobB However, lets not denigrate Liblime in doing so. Calm statements of facts. Not wanting to burn bridges, as far as possible.
19:36 davi You are right gmcharlt
19:36 * hdl_laptop Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre for the record
19:36 gmcharlt davi: more precisely, koha.org isn't the problem itself; don't want to hurt our own name; it's the current holders
19:36 pnalon +1
19:36 BobB +1
19:36 sekjal +1
19:36 Jo paul Poulain +1
19:36 wizzyrea_mobile +1
19:36 magnus +1
19:36 hdl_laptop +1
19:36 davi gmcharlt, Each time we write (koha.org) we should state that they are the bad guys, creating customer locking ...
19:36 collum +1
19:36 brendan +1
19:36 Lee +1
19:36 thd +1
19:36 Jo +1
19:36 owen +1
19:36 nengard +1
19:36 chris_n I second
19:35 gmcharlt I move that we migrate all koha.org websites and services to koha-community.org
19:35 Lee lets vote
19:35 gmcharlt yes
19:35 thd +1
19:35 Jo (its quite a big step "
19:35 Jo do we want a formal motion put to the meeting?
19:35 Lee a generous reference...you may also see....org
19:35 wizzyrea_mobile Jo: there kind of is already
19:35 nengard +1
19:35 chris_n +1
19:35 gmcharlt Jo: agreed
19:35 chris yes, i agree with gmcharlt
19:35 Jo and a clear statement about the relationship / status between the 2 domains needs to be made too.
19:35 Lee hee hee
19:34 davi great nengard
19:34 wizzyrea_mobile Im working on the google rank actively
19:34 Jo Lee: I agree
19:34 Lee IMHO the sooner we move the less confusion for new Koha users
19:34 gmcharlt I agree that we should move forward with koha-community.org, with one proviso - a clear statement that koha.org is, of right, community property
19:34 nengard as a side note - my upcoming open source book only links to koha-community :) not koha.org
19:34 Jo and then announce it widely and loudly
19:33 Jo Paul gives our support to take decisive action to move to koha-community.org if that is the decision we make
19:33 davi russ, It seems we have already back up. That is good news
19:33 chris yup, tis the wiki and bugs
19:32 nengard got it
19:32 gmcharlt but git is trivial to recreate
19:32 gmcharlt yep
19:32 nengard also there is git.koha.org - right?
19:32 thd I would volunteer to migrate the wiki assuming my troubles with a recent injury are over
19:32 russ davi: might be a bit heavy handed at this stage
19:32 davi Jo, migrate-copy as soon as possible
19:32 chris gmcharlt: it was, probably need a recent one
19:32 chris_n the data that is
19:32 chris_n we can move them
19:31 gmcharlt chris: including the bugs database?
19:31 owen But the wiki and bugzilla...
19:31 davi I think we should announce as soon as possible that koha.org is out of control of Koha community, and that koha-coomunity.org is the new way to go
19:31 chris its all backed up
19:31 chris yeah theres nothing on there we need
19:31 Jo I fear that with the press of a key, just to spite the Koha community, we could lose access to a bunch of stuff residing on koha.org
19:31 chris potentially talking to them
19:31 thd LibLime is merely the most important
19:31 chris BobB: ptfs hold kohails.org and kohadigitallibrary.com
19:30 thd there are other parties BobB
19:30 davi too.
19:30 davi Proposal: Build on koha-community.org, and announce. Then announce later on next release.
19:30 chris chris_n: i think we wait and see what happens with liblime
19:30 Jo his opinion is that we have no hope of retrieving koha.org over forthcoming months.
19:30 chris_n koha-community.org becomes a permanent home then?
19:30 BobB Apart from Liblime, are there any other holders we would like to hear from?
19:30 Jo I have heard from paul Poulain.
19:29 gmcharlt from my POV, I see no reason to expect any further word from LibLime
19:29 chris i think we stop
19:29 gmcharlt that brings us to our next agenda item, possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations
19:29 davi gmcharlt, What next to do?
19:29 Jo other than koha-community.org, no. although EU trademark stuff is in process
19:28 davi gmcharlt, I see
19:28 BobB Jo: does the Trust yet hold any community property?
19:28 Jo the only one we've asked
19:28 Jo just the one asking them to give back the community assets :)
19:28 gmcharlt davi: all of them are, AFAIK
19:28 thd davi: less than 2 may not allow seven people to be found who would show up sadly
19:28 davi Are some of our question to them pending of an answer?
19:28 Jo thd: whether to develop Kete or not
19:27 wizzyrea_mobile Sigh
19:27 Jo my emails disapear into ether :(
19:27 Jo no communication what so ever of any sort.
19:27 Jo zero to report.
19:27 gmcharlt Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains.
19:27 gmcharlt #
19:27 gmcharlt which is
19:27 davi So it looks good as an start point
19:27 gmcharlt under those circumstances, I think we're ready to move onto the next agenda item
19:26 thd Jo: which vote was the divisive one?
19:26 chris like i say, its not doing governance, i dont think its worth overengineering something just for the sake of it
19:26 gmcharlt the commitee is seven members tops, so it's the difference bweteen 1 and 2
19:26 BobB The risk of two people from the same organisation being on the committee is low. The risk of them then behaving badly is even lower, imho.
19:26 davi ack
19:25 chris 30 is fine
19:25 davi Should be a 20% be a better balance?
19:25 Jo and anything the subcommittee proposes has to be approved by the trust.
19:25 chris its a place to hold community property, its not going to be running the project
19:25 chris BobB: *snap*
19:24 chris the other thing to remember is, the trust wont be governance
19:24 Jo In 10 years I have only ever seen 1 issue come to a vote and be divisive
19:24 BobB I think we need to bear in mind the limited purpose of the committee. Its role is not the governance of the community.
19:24 Jo its only words, but to be honest the way the TRust works is by consensus.
19:24 davi gmcharlt, I know, but evolution is being good. We are setting a good base
19:24 davi So, maybe 20% ?
19:24 gmcharlt davi: as with so much else in Koha, it ultimately depends on who shows up
19:23 davi The more diversity the better
19:23 davi It is true that to represent the _community_ a better valance should be set
19:23 sekjal +1
19:22 davi half of one
19:22 davi thd, well, at least it is not a quorum
19:22 thd +1 although, if the monarch ever has to intervene then the rules will need reconsideration
19:22 Jo not 3?
19:22 Jo so 30% should equal 4?
19:22 gmcharlt +1
19:21 nengard +1
19:21 Lee +1
19:21 collum +1
19:21 owen +1
19:21 thd daivi: my concern had been that 30% of seven rounded down is half of a quorum
19:21 pnalon +1
19:21 magnus +1
19:21 BobB +1
19:21 russel +1
19:21 chris_n +1
19:21 Jo +1
19:21 gmcharlt so to give a statement of the will of the community, can we have +1/0/-1 for the draft rules as discussed?
19:20 thd davi: 30% is there for the total members
19:20 davi ack
19:20 BobB davi: Its there.
19:20 chris back
19:20 gmcharlt davi: it's in there already
19:19 davi 30% is a good rule to add too
19:19 gmcharlt OK, I think we have a finalization of the draft rules (or rather, we will once BobB updates it)
19:19 * chris_n wonders what he would look like in a sack :)
19:18 * gmcharlt salutes HLT, our benevolent dictator ;)
19:18 chris_n hehe
19:18 thd I am satisfied that the monarch can intervene in case of extreme danger :)
19:18 thd thank you Jo
19:18 Jo (they never would unless it was the will of the community I am certain)
19:17 thd gmcharlt: and the rule about no more than 30% of members with the same business relationship
19:17 Jo Remember too, that in the worst case scenario HLT can sack the committee if they think its in the best interests of the community
19:17 davi sounds good gmcharlt
19:16 gmcharlt thd: seven days written notice of meetings should avoid game playing with quorums
19:16 Jo HLT would much prefer a seperate Koha foundation be established - but happy to be temporary guardians
19:16 thd BobB: My concern is that if two are from the same organisation, they only need one other to have a majority in a minimum quorum
19:16 BobB So if it was split 2 - 2, the Chairman can choose to resolve it one way or the other, or not resolve it.
19:16 gmcharlt davi: (and a reminder to all) HLT's stewardship is not necessarily permanent if the community decides to establish a Koha foundation or other non-profit entity, trust, governance agency, ????????, etc.
19:15 BobB If there are seven members, then a quorum is four so a majority is three. the Chairman has a casting vote
19:15 thd BobB: How many votes in a minimum quorum count as a majority?
19:14 thd Bob: How many votes in a minimum quarum count as a majority?
19:13 BobB Yes Jo, I can do that.
19:13 thd gmcharlt: I have one concern
19:13 Jo Bob: will you be willing to incorporate this clause into the draft and make it so please?
19:12 gmcharlt +1 # I see no roadblocks in the draft rules as proposed, accepted by HLT, and modified per Jo's email (the textual correction about committee members aside)
19:12 davi Although it requires an educated population ;)
19:12 Jo yep
19:12 russel keep in mind that this will only apply when under hlt
19:12 davi I am pro direct democracy when possible
19:12 Jo I guess its rules like this which compensate for the very open and enabling Trust Deed
19:11 Jo which is i guess why trusts point to the legiclation
19:11 BobB Its only a committee we're talking about here. It has no power to act in its own right.
19:11 Jo legislation can alwasy be amended
19:11 davi Could it be amended in next years?
19:11 jdavidb New_Zealand++ # for lots of other reasons, too.
19:10 russel iirc it means they have been barred from being a company director
19:10 gmcharlt New_Zealand++ # http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0105/latest/DLM320690.html#DLM320690
19:10 BobB I don't know the NZ Companies Act, but it might mean someone debarred from being a Director
19:10 Jo (coz heaps of people go pbankrupt)
19:10 Jo I'll go look
19:10 Jo I
19:10 Jo its about criminals so maybe not
19:10 Jo I think that is the bankrupt one
19:09 Jo NZ laws basically provide the definitions.
19:09 gmcharlt mean?
19:09 gmcharlt > Act 1993 (NZ) applies;
19:09 gmcharlt one question, though - what does "a person to whom an order made under Section 151 of the Companies
19:09 chris_n +1
19:09 russel +1
19:09 Jo but as trustees, they can't have a subcommittee of members who don't meet the eligibility criteria for the trust itself, as it binds the trust
19:08 nengard agreed
19:08 gmcharlt I agree with chris_n and Bob about it being a bit much, but I have no objection and don't see it likely becoming a practical issue
19:08 Jo (it was a cut and paste job)
19:08 Jo so if we tweak it accordingly, ie substitute committee memebrs for Trustees we could be pretty much there I think
19:08 gmcharlt Bob's point about the trustee vs. committee member is apropos regardless
19:07 Jo lol - their very response to the rules :)
19:06 chris_n I agree with Bob that it is a bit much, but will not object to its inclusion
19:06 gmcharlt link to Jo's email: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-March/022802.html
19:06 Jo I have emailed out their suggestion to the list.
19:06 Jo that is the clause about eligibility.
19:06 gmcharlt draft rules: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:organisations:koha_project_organisation:hlt:rules
19:06 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
19:05 Jo ok, well the Trust meet last week and accepted the Draft rules except for 1 clause which they would like to strengthen
19:05 gmcharlt brendan: off-topic, but feel free to bug Si :)
19:05 BobB Bob Birchall, Calyx
19:05 brendan yeah we need to get better a keeping some ops on channel
19:05 gmcharlt first up - Report on DRAFT Horowhenua Library Trust KOHA Committee RULES
19:05 gmcharlt and we have 5 agenda items, not counting the intros
19:05 * ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE
19:05 Nate Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions
19:04 * owen notices we now have no ops
19:04 gmcharlt the page for this meeting is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10mar02
19:04 Lee Lee Phillips Butte Public Montana
19:04 gmcharlt ok, people can chime in as they show up
19:04 * brendan forgot that it was meeting time :)
19:04 brendan brendan gallagher, ByWater Solutions
19:03 fredericd fredericd: Frédéric Demians, Tamil
19:03 sekjal Ian Walls, formerly NYUHSL, so-to-be ByWater Solutions
19:03 jwagner Jane Wagner, PTFS
19:03 collum Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library
19:03 * chris_n = Chris Nighswonger, FBC
19:03 davi Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop
19:03 * nengard = Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions
19:03 jdavidb J. David Bavousett, PTFS (kindasorta here.)
19:03 russel russel garlick catalystit
19:03 magnus Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
19:03 * owen = Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library
19:03 wizzyrea_mobile Liz Rea, NEKLS
19:03 Jo Joann Ransom, Horowhenua Library Trust, NZ
19:03 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM, Equinox
19:03 gmcharlt first, round of introductions
19:02 gmcharlt so let's get this show on the road
19:02 Jo Thanks Galen
19:02 gmcharlt Jo: I'm willing to moderate
19:02 Jo So would someone like to chair this meeting,
19:02 wizzyrea_mobile Hello
19:02 Jo early Hi Liz
19:01 Jo (bags not me)
19:01 Jo Volunteers / nominees for who will drive this meeting?
19:00 BobB Its early here. still dark.
19:00 chris_n hello
19:00 Jo Morning Bob
19:00 BobB Good morning all.
19:00 davi thd, slef is in traveling
18:59 davi hi
18:57 Jo I just emailed the list
18:57 Jo Hi Galen
18:57 gmcharlt hi Jo
18:57 Jo morning all
18:53 gmcharlt amadan: do you get anything informative if you run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z -v ?
18:52 nengard spell check on my phone is usually pretty good - but sometimes i end up with some funny things
18:52 nengard heh
18:52 russel it would be lot easier to use irc on my phone if it didn't try to autocomplete irc to orchestra
18:51 * wizzyrea just found that funny
18:51 wizzyrea lol airport english
18:48 thd slef: are you here?
18:43 fredericd Koha 'en' templates are not American english, airport English at best
18:43 thd jdavidb: I am expecting programmers to be consistent.
18:43 jdavidb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language#North_America
18:42 chris back later, apologies for missing the start of the coming meeting
18:42 jdavidb You're expecting Americans to be consistent, thd? Irrational.
18:42 chris ok bus time
18:42 thd I think that it is currently inconsistent with both English and the American dialect labeled English. Which is problematical.
18:40 chris naw, its fine with the translation
18:40 collum Yep.
18:40 owen collum: I think it was just as much political
18:40 thd chris: I assume that you are still intending to reverse that for 3.4
18:40 fredericd jdavidb: very clear for English hobbyist
18:40 collum Noah Webster changed a bunch of spellings for Americans. To make it easier?
18:40 chris change patrons to members that kinda thing
18:39 chris yeah
18:39 chris thd english is really english-US
18:39 * thd was forgetting that English had become not English under US influence
18:39 jdavidb Take out a lot of the Z's, put in S's, add some extra U's....
18:37 thd chris: what differs between English and English NZ or is English not English?
18:37 Lee thanks for the link Chris, more questions later
18:36 chris i finished english-NZ last night :)
18:35 chris so ill just fix them before the release and replace the files in pootle, but for now its safe to get ppl translating
18:35 chris (they are repeated in the file, but it doesnt show them)
18:35 chris yep can fix them up before the release, but the comments only appear once on pootle
18:34 fredericd uniq standard command can easily suppress repeated lines, but if it's on pootle...
18:33 chris http://translate.koha.org/projects/sysprefs/
18:33 fredericd or say 20 times the same thing, but differently
18:33 chris fredericd: they are all in pootle now too
18:32 thd fredericd: That is a start. We should trick the bug into writing new different comments. :)
18:32 fredericd ok
18:31 chris but that seemed to be how the translate made them
18:31 chris yeah, its harmless so i left it for now
18:31 fredericd thd: but 20 times the same comment...
18:30 thd you can nevr have enough comments :)
18:29 fredericd chris: Strange. In HEAD, sypref .po files repeat comment lines several times, up to 20 times...
18:15 wizzyrea mornin chris
18:11 brendan morning chris
18:11 chris http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?&limit=mc-ccode:BF&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2
18:08 chris Lee: if you wanted to restrict it to certain itemtypes, or collection codes you could do this
18:07 Lee :s
18:06 Lee cron jobs not in my job description (embarrassed sad face)
18:05 Lee Hi Chris
18:05 Lee Nicole. i think i am gonna need a bit more coaching- does anyone else have RSS set for new aquistions set up so I could look at it?
18:04 jdavidb hi, chris!
18:04 chris morning
17:58 wizzyrea (zebra is often the bane of my existence, don't feel bad if it's not working yet)
17:57 wizzyrea er, did you?
17:57 wizzyrea do you rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a?
17:48 amadan1 gmcharlt, i did add the build_zebra.pl to the cronjobs and run it as well restarted my server and still when i run a search in catlog, i get "no results found biblios in reservoir none"
17:41 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on
17:41 wizzyrea kyle++ for libki
17:41 ebegin I saw that there was a patch (bug 3559) about this, but i still have my Could not save item error after applying it.
17:40 ebegin Concerning Zotero, I discovered that it doesn't work because the XSLT is activated for the details... I'm trying to move the <!-- COinS / OpenURL --> section elsewhere in the .tmpl file without success... is there anything else that zotero is looking?
17:27 Lee Thanks Nicole
17:25 nengard http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.2/opac/rss-feeds/custom-rss-feeds/view?searchterm=custom%20rss
17:25 nengard Lee, Koha has a custom RSS feed function
17:19 Lee we want to add a RSS feed for trying to push notification of new materials added to the library out on twitter. suggestions? World cat isn't working like we want
17:17 Lee quick question for anyone
17:17 Lee board member dropped in
17:17 Lee sorry had a pause
17:16 brendan hi lee
17:13 tekonivel i'd prefer not to forcefully expose my users to this translatin at this time
17:13 gmcharlt tekonivel: install the translation, and enable it in the opaclanguages syspref
17:12 tekonivel set up a test-locale, fi-TEST or somesuch
17:12 tekonivel if i wanted to test a translation of the Koha OPAC, what'd be the best way for that?
17:11 nengard hehe
17:11 Lee excellent.. for once in my life i am early LOL
17:10 Lee Hi Nicole
17:10 nengard but right now just the usual
17:10 nengard at 2pm EST we have a meeting in here
17:10 Lee just thought I'd drop in and see if there was anything exciting going on
17:10 nengard Hi Lee
17:10 Lee Hi guys
17:09 owen Hi Lee
17:09 gmcharlt hi Lee
17:09 gmcharlt it's listed in misc/cronjobs/crontab.example
17:06 amadan could you help me with the exact line to put in the cronjob?
17:03 amadan zebrasrv is running
17:03 gmcharlt yep
17:03 amadan so do i add "rebuild_zebra.pl to my cronjobs?
17:02 gmcharlt also make sure that there's a zebrasrv process running
17:02 gmcharlt k
17:02 amadan sure
17:02 gmcharlt actually, let me step back - I assume you chose the Zebra option?
17:01 gmcharlt misc/cronjobs/crontab.example has the list of standard cronjobs you'd want to run
17:01 gmcharlt rebuild_zebra.pl
17:01 amadan which one and how do i ensure that?
17:01 gmcharlt amadan: there's a batch job that you need to make sure is running
17:00 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #65 added.
17:00 gmcharlt @quote add <wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata
17:00 amadan when i catlog a book, it appears on the database alright but can't access it with the search
16:59 gmcharlt amadan: did we answer your question, by the way?
16:58 wizzyrea also applicable
16:57 * wizzyrea read that as "starvation, dentists"
16:56 * gmcharlt starts working on MARBI proposal for PIZZA-MARC, realizes that that way lies starvation, desists
16:55 * owen just hopes we don't try to rewrite pizza-xml on the fly for each transaction
16:54 * wizzyrea_ giggles
16:53 * gmcharlt writes up RFC for pizza-making
16:52 wizzyrea_ and even that's like stone soup.
16:52 wizzyrea_ koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata
16:52 wizzyrea_ never mind.
16:52 wizzyrea_ wait
16:52 wizzyrea_ does it make you pizza?
16:51 wizzyrea_ can you catalog? can you add patrons?
16:49 owen Does it search? Does it circulate? Can you place holds?
16:48 owen amadan: What do you feel like you need to check?
16:48 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 4.9�C (11:47 AM EST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising).
16:48 jdavidb @wunder 20817
16:42 amadan before i get my librarians into it?
16:42 tekonivel zotero-love <3
16:42 amadan Hi Folks, I just installed koha 3.00.05 successfully. Could someone help me take a peek to find out if all is well?
16:40 ebegin ok. I'll see if my problem is local to my zotero... thanks
16:38 gmcharlt since Zotero knows how to look for COinS and unapi data, it can grab it
16:38 gmcharlt ebegin: two ways - info on a title is embedded via COinS; Zotero can also fetch details for a title using unapi
16:37 ebegin How does the integration with Zotero works exactly?
16:28 biglego oh so its more of i work in a library but yet i can't read sort of a problem
16:27 gmcharlt biglego: 3.1 is what will become 3.2
16:27 biglego on the about page it shows 3.01.00.124 shouldn't it show 3.2 something
16:19 chris_n lots of geeky gadgets :)
16:19 chris_n ebegin: a very nice system
16:18 ebegin Any clue
16:18 * ebegin is getting an error with Zotero... Could not save item...
16:17 ebegin :) How was the A/V system finally?
16:16 * chris_n was very glad for his gps unit
16:16 ebegin the falls I mean, of course :)
16:15 ebegin chris_n, good to hear. Huge and beautiful, yes.
16:15 chris_n Niagara was beautiful
16:15 chris_n ebegin: Toronto was nice
16:14 ebegin hey chris_n
16:14 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 2.0�C (10:00 AM EST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
16:14 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec
16:14 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found.
16:14 ebegin @wunder montreal, quqbec
16:14 chris_n hey ebegin
16:14 ebegin hi koha
16:12 nengard but that's the end goal!!!
16:11 * gmcharlt encourages nengard to throw caution to the winds, of course
16:11 nengard gmcharlt - not until I learn me some perl
16:11 gmcharlt nengard: you better watch out - if you're not careful, you'll find yourself fixing not-so-minor bugs :)
16:10 nengard i've probably said this before - but it is so cool that when i find minor bugs while writing the manual that i know enough to fix them myself :) hehe
16:04 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.1�C (10:01 AM CST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady).
16:04 moodaepo @wunder 56001
16:01 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.9�C (7:57 AM PST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
16:01 brendan @wunder 93117
15:25 tekonivel (f.ex. ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl:505)
15:24 tekonivel subtype translation is dull, XSLT-translations are nervewrecking
15:22 * tekonivel brain is melting from subtype translation :-P
15:19 nengard I believe that pulls HEAD - which is the latest 3.2 developments
15:19 nengard this is the command I use: git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone from this page: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage&s[]=git
15:18 biglego stupid question, but I gotta ask. I want to install the latest version of 3.2 but the git address i have pulls 3.01. Anyone care to clue me into the secret way to git it, thats funny git it!
15:06 brendan but if you change the koha to marc mapping - those changes should also be in the marc frameworks ... maybe not viewable but def. in the database
15:05 kf bye all :)
15:05 brendan you could look at the koha to marc mapping as a scaled down (novice) framework... sort of
15:03 nengard how does it modify frameworks?
15:03 nengard on the koha marc mapping tool there is a warning that i think needs some editing - but i'm not sure what it's trying to say -- it reads "Choose and validate 1 MARC subfield for biblio.frameworkcode. That will modify all frameworks which is usually what you need, but you have been warned."
14:48 nengard okay
14:48 brendan like the indexing files for zebra are hardcoded to index for 952's for the item information
14:48 brendan the real issue is that some or most of the item fields are hardcoded somewhere within the code of Koha
14:47 brendan also a quick reference for how the item fields are laid out for the 952_fields
14:46 brendan sounds good
14:46 nengard "this tool is used to define how marc fields are entere dinto the koha db" ?
14:46 nengard so if you were to write that as an intro to the koha to marc mapping tool - what would you say?
14:46 brendan although I'd add many warnings
14:46 brendan in case you want to quickly change the mapping for Koha to the database...
14:45 nengard i know how to use the tool, but i'm still not sure why i'm doing it :)
14:45 nengard can anyone give me a short summary of why I need to use 'Koha to Marc Mapping' for the manual ...
14:12 gmcharlt cool, glad to hear it
14:11 kf gmcharlt: display and text alignment of 880 fields work now - thx again for pushing the patch and writing one for intranet yesterday!
13:42 munin jdavidb: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, June 19, 2009)
13:42 jdavidb @quote random
13:31 jwagner guten morgen kf
13:30 kf guten morgen :)
13:22 munin jwagner: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 05:37 PM, July 17, 2009)
13:22 jwagner @quote random
13:22 jdavidb lol
13:21 munin gmcharlt: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 12:19 PM, February 24, 2010)
13:21 gmcharlt @quote random
13:12 gmcharlt good morning
13:09 jwagner g'morning...
13:08 hdl_laptop hi all
13:07 jdavidb Hi, nengard! :)
13:07 magnus hello nengard et al
13:07 nengard hello all
12:59 bgkriegel \quit
12:56 jdavidb Mornin', #koha
11:56 thd good night Genji
11:56 Genji okay, gota sleeep. night all.
11:52 masonj so its do-able, without too much effort and system-load
11:51 masonj and the difference between replication on/off isnt detectable, from munin
11:50 masonj i have a loaded master/slave set-up doing mysql and zebraqueue replication,
11:49 masonj ah, pass then...
11:48 Genji dedicated server
11:48 masonj hostgator style VM's often have very poor DB performance, so ive read on the net
11:45 masonj pass, but prolly
11:45 Genji so, you think mysql-rep was just making the problems with this box, more visible?
11:44 masonj my experience is that mysql-rep doesnt put much load on a busy box
11:44 Genji that and some tables have to have different data.
11:42 Genji masonj: slowed down the server i think.... turned the slave off, and some speed came back.
11:42 masonj thats yr first problem to fix ;)
11:42 thd slef: are you there?
11:42 masonj mysql replication...
11:41 Genji hmm... tried to, the other two keep coming back, when i start the init.d file.
11:41 Genji and slowing down neither.
11:41 masonj turn off the extra 2 zebras, for starters ;)
11:41 Genji then ... well.. i gotta figure out how to efficently get daily updates from the prod machine to the hostgator machine, without bringing either server offline.
11:40 Genji no one has noticed it probably because its not used for searching, the prod system is only used for adding records.
11:40 masonj $ rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -v
11:39 Genji same zebradb files yup.
11:39 masonj means they are accessing the same DB files ?
11:38 masonj err, that sounds like a fail right there ?
11:38 Genji ya.. theres three servers, all using the same conf file... and zebraqueue has 18k records waiting for uplod.
11:38 masonj dont use that daemon
11:37 masonj rebuild yr zebra-db from scratch, for starters
11:37 masonj if they are pointing at the same files, from a typo - then yep
11:36 thd Genji: what is the size of a dump of all the biblios on that system?
11:36 masonj yep ;)
11:35 Genji could that also be the cause of zebrasrv running three times from one init.d file?
11:35 thd Well the relevant zebra file :)
11:35 Genji hmm.
11:35 Genji ah.
11:35 masonj prolly the default 4-gig limit of a zebra setting
11:34 Genji of wht file?
11:34 thd Genji"What is the size of that file?
11:34 thd Genji: lack of time to do beats lack of knowledge how to do every day.
11:33 Genji what does this mean?
11:33 Genji 20100302 14:12:32 koha-zebra-ctl.kohadb: failed to write(client_errfd = 6): File too large
11:33 Genji found in a zebradaemon log...
11:30 Genji i wonder if liblime knows how to do a db dump, nowdays.
11:29 Genji masonj: only one....
10:29 masonj wow, are some koha vendors really refusing to give their customers database dumps?
10:01 Genji in nz... a steel fabrication place closed.... with things still in molds, in turned off furnaces. guess they weren't going to continue business.
09:56 chris :)
09:55 paul_p 10 days later I started to work on koha ;-) (after chrismas & new year holiday)
09:55 paul_p (had to deal with that on my last position : the judge said at 11AM "stop activity", and at 11:01 we had a fax and the manager said: "stop immediatly doing anything. Immediatly"
09:51 paul_p Genji: dunno how it works in US, but in France, when a company goes "Liquidation judiciaire", the owners loose their hability to do anything. It's someone nominated by the judge that get power on the company. He can decide anything, from pulling everything immediatly to continuing the business
09:51 chris [off] not worth worrying about, we cant do anything, lets work on stuff we can do
09:49 Genji [off] well.. if we get any warning of LEK's plug being pulled... we will get asked for help... but somehow... i think liblime will just pull the plug without warning?
09:48 magnus +1
09:47 paul_p (except if someone comes here and ask for some help)
09:47 paul_p but why the hell are we speaking of that. we don't care !
09:47 * paul_p think that biblios / members / issues / syspref could be an acceptable minimum for anyone stuck
09:46 chris yeah, the biblio stuff is the easy stuff, its accountlines and issues and oldissues etc
09:46 paul_p then write another script to re-enter them in koha
09:46 paul_p other possibility to retrieve all biblios = write a small script that uploads all biblios in marcxml, from OPAC, one by one
09:45 paul_p between X and Y should work
09:45 chris :)
09:45 chris except not using limit
09:45 paul_p ah, nope, you're right
09:45 paul_p Genji: yep. one could do limit 1,9999 then limit 9999,19998,... but that would be a long long time for someone with a large DB
09:44 Genji ?
09:44 Genji so can they do 'select * from borrowers where biblionumber between X and Y' /
09:43 chris but anyway, enough of liblime, we cant fix them, so lets fix koha bugs instead
09:43 Genji borrowers are ided by borrowernumber... biblio by biblionumber, biblioitems by biblioitemnuber, items by itemnumber... sysprefs have a id?
09:42 chris well, there was no point in making LEK apart from making ppl stuck
09:41 Genji They probably wanted them to be stuck in LEK.
09:41 Genji LEK--
09:41 chris when someone asked for it, they were told it was buggy
09:41 Genji liblime--
09:41 chris i doubt it
09:41 Genji LEK imported the patch?
09:41 chris whatever limit you put in, it gets replaced with limit 9999
09:40 chris the patch fixes that
09:40 Genji ....
09:40 chris limit is ignored
09:40 chris nope
09:40 paul_p Genji: yep. one could do limit 1,9999 then limit 9999,19998,... but that would be a long long time for someone with a large DB
09:40 chris some are, some aren't
09:39 chris i answered this question on the mailing list, there was a patch to fix it in november
09:39 Genji but all rows are id'ed?
09:39 Genji [off] liblime is stupid!
09:39 paul_p :(((
09:39 Genji .....
09:38 chris its capped at 9999 results
09:38 Genji does LEK have SQL report facilities?
09:38 paul_p ...
09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM systempreferences
09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM issues
09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM items
09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM biblioitems
09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM biblio
09:38 paul_p SELECT * from borrowers
09:38 paul_p I think one could use SQL report facilities
09:36 Genji [off] as in, figuring out how to get data out, now, before liblime does a bad bankruptcy? Such as gong bankrupt with no notice, no warning, and pulling the plug on their AWS's at the same time?
09:35 chris [off] yep, if i was them id be looking to get in the lifeboats before the ship sinks
09:33 Genji [off] im thinking they will eventually bankrupt... problem is, the fallout for libraries using LEK.... suddenly, they have to grab their data via marc-detail spidering?
09:33 chris [off] i dont really care about a US trademark at all, that's a question for the USians to answer
09:32 Genji [off] so if liblime bankrupts... the trademark is up for grabs?
09:31 chris [off] yep
09:30 Genji [off] is the method of making something not hit the logfiles?
09:29 chris [off] liblime will probably be bankrupt soon anyway, we can revisit them then but until then i prefer to pretend they dont even exist, and frankly the sooner they dont exist the better
09:29 Genji "Ahh
09:28 chris and hlt has the koha-community.org
09:28 chris what i said report from the HLT subcommittee, there are the EU trademarks etc
09:27 Genji then?
09:27 * Genji nods. "okay.. so what is "community handover
09:26 chris its certainly not stopping us doing anything
09:26 chris who knows, but theres nothign to be gained by talking about it
09:26 Genji basically, liblime has got the koha name, at least in usa, and theres no way that we'll see koha.org back in community hands ever?
09:25 chris but there will be a report from HLT about the koha subcommittee, maybe a report on koha-community.org
09:25 chris nothing left to discuss
09:25 chris its a moot point
09:24 chris nope we wont be discussing that
09:24 Genji community handover meeting where we discuss koha.org not being given to the community?
09:24 chris the community handover meeting
09:23 Genji whts in 10hourstime?
09:16 chris ill probably miss some of it as i will be on the bus
09:16 chris ahh its in 10 hours time
09:10 kf hi ropuch
09:10 kf :(
09:09 ropuch Hello kf, chris, Genji
09:09 kf will miss community handover meeting today
09:08 kf hi chris
09:08 chris hi kf
09:06 kf good morning #koha
09:04 chris yep
09:03 Genji rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z every 5 minutes?
09:03 chris as a cronjob
09:02 chris yeah even so
09:02 chris but to run rebuild_zebra.pl wth the -z switch
09:02 Genji its a koha 3.0rc1 install.
09:02 chris im pretty sure the install docs say not too now
09:02 chris i wouldnt use zebraqueue
08:57 Genji exact same operations waiting, as 15 minutes ago...
08:57 Genji zebraqueue seems to be hording operations.
08:56 Genji in fact, it could slow down the server?
08:56 Genji l
08:56 chris yeah that doesnt seem to be very useful
08:55 Genji starting the same config file, twice...
08:55 Genji hmm.. just did a diff on some init.d files... found that at last two of those zebrasrv's were started in init.d.. and the init.d files are exactly the same.
08:53 chris in which case thats fine, if not it seems pretty pointless
08:53 chris do you have 3 koha's?
08:52 Genji and three zebrasrv's
08:50 Genji for some reason, i have three zebraqueue instances running, this okay?
08:49 Genji hiya
08:44 magnus ah, ok
08:44 magnus H, OK
08:43 chris right you could ignore those then
08:42 magnus those are som MARC21 XSLT anyway, and i will use "my own" xslt for normarc
08:42 magnus ok
08:42 chris yep, copy and submit again :)
08:41 magnus and large chunks of xslt, like #43 and 44 here: http://translate.koha.org/nb/opac3_1/nb-NO-i-opac-t-prog-v-3002000.po?item=40&view_mode=translate ?
08:41 chris i think i have gotten pootle working a little faster
08:40 magnus ok
08:40 chris yeah, just copy and submit
08:40 magnus chris: i meant to ask you about that: the PO files seem to contain stuff like the subfieldselectors from XSLT - should they just be repeated or not translated or...?
08:38 chris yup
08:38 magnus need to do some work on the translations, at least for the opac
08:38 magnus i think i will do that, yes
08:37 chris use master, its alpha plus a ton of bugfixes
08:35 magnus i wonder... i will be promoting koha at the big, norwegian library conference in two weeks - should i use 3.2 alpha or the demo i have running which is at 3.01.00.061
08:32 magnus spring here too : the sun is shining!
08:31 chris heh
08:30 paul_p spring here : birds are singing !!!
07:46 magnus evening, chris
07:46 paul_p hello world
07:45 chris evening
07:43 magnus hi Amit_G
07:42 Amit_G heya magnus
07:42 magnus hiya #koha
07:41 nicomo hi Amit_G
07:41 Amit_G heya nicomo
07:31 Amit_G heya Ropuch
07:31 ropuch Morning #koha
05:47 CGI135 ?
05:47 CGI135 is any one help me
05:29 CGI135 could any one resolve my problem
05:29 CGI135 I have installed koha-3.004_fixed on debian-lenny but catalogue search from my pc is not working yet
05:18 Anshul I have installed koha3.00.04_fixed in fedora 12
05:11 CGI763 on debian-lenny
05:11 CGI763 as Im using koha3.004_fixed
05:11 CGI763 catalogue search from my system is not working? how can I resolve this problem
05:10 CGI763 hi all
04:59 Amit_G heya brendan
04:58 Anshul but when making koha... it gives me wierd error that GD 2.39 and XML::RSS 1.31 is not installed.. although both are installed
04:57 brendan heya Amit_G
04:57 Anshul I have installed koha and all ita modules
04:56 Amit_G hi Anshul
04:55 Anshul Hi
03:55 Amit_G hi chris_n
03:55 chris_n hi Amit_G
03:45 Amit_G hi all
03:32 brendan wow auto-truncation is pretty lousy (or maybe my search terms are pretty lousy)
02:41 schuster figured it out didn't like my sym link for some reason. night all
02:30 schuster I'm having trouble getting Zebra to run on my 3.2 lenny... Any suggestions?
01:56 brendan alright cya later or by the time I get home
01:56 chris yup
01:56 brendan hehe
01:56 brendan fly bye
01:48 chris you're up late schuster
01:20 chris_n heh
01:20 brendan i think luck is the correct term there
01:20 brendan good luck
01:19 chris_n and looking forward to a night of stitching the images back together to do data recovery
01:19 * chris_n is grabbing images of a catastrophically failed raid 5 array with no backup
01:18 brendan ooh sorry
01:18 chris_n not too swell atm
01:18 brendan how goes things?
01:18 brendan hey chris_n
01:18 chris_n heya brendan
01:16 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (5:14 PM PST on March 01, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising).
01:16 brendan @wunder 93117
01:02 titleistfour \quit
00:31 titleistfour ok thanks brendan
00:22 titleistfour i guess if I know what koha is expecting, then i can bulk edit that field to match so the import works
00:21 titleistfour can koha seperate those for me?
00:20 titleistfour i think the $ is the seperator
00:20 titleistfour custom from the older software?
00:19 titleistfour is that a custom field you think?
00:19 titleistfour some of it i know
00:19 titleistfour i'm not exactly sure what all of that is
00:19 titleistfour 1\$aMain Library$hB$i580$i.L6$p00000006$x{lcub}BookSysInc::00000006::A@@ ::BookSysInc{rcub}$9{dollar} 0.00
00:18 titleistfour it appears that there is several things
00:18 titleistfour well i think there is more information in the 852 field
00:17 brendan so 852 <barcode> to 952_$p
00:17 brendan swaping the information from 852 to the correct 952 field
00:17 brendan using marcedit you should be able to bulk edit the records
00:15 titleistfour should I change the koha field? or would it be easier to leave that alone?
00:15 titleistfour and what if that 852 field is a different format?
00:15 titleistfour what if I have thousands of records to import?
00:12 brendan sounds good
00:12 titleistfour is that correct?
00:09 titleistfour and then the import should work?
00:08 titleistfour so i need to edit my MARC export to match this?
00:08 titleistfour ok
00:08 brendan not all of them are important
00:07 titleistfour quite a few
00:07 titleistfour i see them
00:07 titleistfour ok
00:07 brendan you'll see what fields koha wants which information
00:07 brendan if you go to the items section (in the pull down)
00:07 titleistfour yes
00:06 brendan you'll see a section that is title > koha to MARC mapping
00:06 brendan in koha if you go to administration
00:06 brendan ok
00:06 titleistfour should i just edit all the records?
00:06 titleistfour yes, thats what I opened the files with
00:06 brendan have you looked at marcedit
00:06 brendan for the indexing engine
00:05 titleistfour hmm..what is the recommended way of doing something like this then?
00:05 brendan some of the 952's are hardcoded into the system
00:05 brendan you could do that. but you'd also have to edit a few other files
00:05 titleistfour or have the import move them for me?
00:05 titleistfour is there a way I can tell koha to look somewhere else?
00:04 brendan yes you are correct koha wants them in the 952 field
00:04 titleistfour or field
00:04 titleistfour and all the individual items are in MARC record 852, but it looks like koha is expecting them in 952?
00:04 titleistfour i took a look at the MARC file
00:04 titleistfour but when I import, none of the items come over
00:03 titleistfour i'm been able to export all the biblio records to MARC format
00:03 titleistfour i'm trying to setup koha 3.00.06, and i'm import records from an old software program called Concourse
00:03 titleistfour thanks!
00:02 brendan go ahead and ask :)
00:02 titleistfour can someone answer a few questions about importing marc records into koha?
00:02 titleistfour hello