Time Nick Message 00:15 wajasu when you do an install of koha, do you run 'make install' as root? (or koha). Cause by zebra /var/lock/koha/biblios files are owned by root. I run zebrasrv and rebuild_zebra.pl as koha. 00:17 wajasu when i rebuild my indexes, it says --> 17:57:40-23/02 zebraidx(20131) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] 00:20 chris id chown those dirs -R to koha 00:20 chris if you do a standard install it does that for you, a dev one misses that step 00:32 wajasu i thought i did a standard install. ok , checking perms. 00:33 braedon|work is this Zebra permissions? 00:34 wajasu yes 00:35 wajasu i did chown -R koha:koha /var/run/koha and /var/lock/koha 00:35 wajasu i'm doing a fast index now 00:36 braedon|work chris: are you supposed to do the "make install" for a dev install as root? i did mine as root as usual, had the permissions issue, so next time tried doing it as Koha. It went through fine, and no permissions issues (obviously) 00:37 wajasu now it gets further, but complains about "[fatal] Node node_zebra missing", "[warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information", "[fatal] zebra_begin_trans: cannot open register" 00:37 wajasu i did mine as root. 00:38 wajasu but this is my first time using zebra. 00:38 wajasu 3.02 version 00:38 wajasu i staged and imported 1600 records. 00:38 braedon|work you need to do it as root for a standard install, but not sure how you would end up with the wrong user with standard install 00:39 braedon|work unless you didn't set the koha user correctly in Makefile.pl run? 00:40 wajasu i've been only changin the db password, and something to dom, and no SRU. The rest the same. 00:41 braedon|work wouldn't have a clue about those later errors sorry - my knowledge of Zebra extends to what have personally encountered, and not an inch further :( 00:43 wajasu i had put items in my marc records (952 field). I don't see any in the db. maybe because I didn't add the library code until after I imported. 00:43 wajasu my items table is empty. 00:45 wajasu lets see if undo import get me empty tables. 00:47 braedon|work yeah, you need the library code 00:48 braedon|work beware of undoing imports - kills zebra indexing for me 00:48 braedon|work have to completely regen index, rather than letting the queue remove the old ones - it just doesn't seem to 00:49 braedon|work i left one of mine running for at least 4 hours using 80%cpu processing zebraqueue after a import undo 00:49 braedon|work when it finally finished, they sill where showing up in searches 00:50 wajasu its undone. and zero entries in my biblios, items, and biblioitems. 00:50 wajasu now i'll try an import but with my library code. 00:50 braedon|work is zebraqueue runing? 00:51 wajasu the zebrasrv is. 00:51 braedon|work if you search, does it being up any results? 00:52 braedon|work s/being/bring/ 00:52 wajasu wait. its importing. (1 minute and it will be done) 00:54 wajasu i haven't run zebraqueue.pl yet on this system. is that a queue that handles updating the zebra index on the fly or what? 00:54 braedon|work yip 00:54 wajasu what is the rebuild_zebra.pl every 5 minues(via cron) for then? 00:55 braedon|work when you change things in Koha, they are pushed onto the queue, and the zebraqueue daemon handles them, as far as i am aware 00:55 braedon|work ... good point 00:57 wajasu hurray! the items show. 16000 biblios, biblioitems, and items 00:57 wajasu now let me search 00:57 braedon|work that cron job is set to -z, which is "process zebra queue" if i remember correctly 00:57 braedon|work perhaps zebra queue recieves the tasks from Koha, and the cron job actually processes them? 00:58 braedon|work not sure 00:58 wajasu ahh 00:59 wajasu ok. the items show. good. 00:59 wizzyrea braedon is correct: -z only does stuff that is waiting, instead of processing everything 00:59 wizzyrea a full reindex takes a long time 00:59 braedon|work then again, whenever i have added single books via Koha, they have shown up immediately in searches, without time for the cron job to run... 00:59 braedon|work unless i have been repeatedly extremely luck with timing? 01:00 wajasu i'm doing a fast index now 01:02 wajasu my search isn't working 01:02 wajasu i haven't run zebraqueue yet 01:03 richard any danger to koha from upgrading from debian etch to lenny? 01:04 wajasu i also get these after doing the fast search ( perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -v -b -w) as koha --> "[fatal] Node node_zebra missing", "[warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information", "[fatal] zebra_begin_trans: cannot open register" 01:13 braedon|work wajasu: I would suggest getting the zebra and zebraqueue daemons running and then trying again 01:13 braedon|work i'm not sure of the exactly how they are used, but that is the only thing i can see as different to mine 01:14 braedon|work you can just start them from command line if you don't want to set them up permanently yet 01:14 braedon|work http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=koha_3_install_guide_ubuntu_hardy#indexing_using_zebra 01:20 wajasu i am trying to start the zebraqueue.pl fromthe command line. the zebrasrv is running fine so far. 01:20 wajasu zebraqueue.pl complains about not finding Unix/Syslog.pm 01:21 wajasu I'll work on getting that cpan module 01:22 braedon|work hmm, weird. what OS are you on? 01:23 wajasu ok zebraqueue is running. 01:24 wajasu mysqld is showing 4% cpu, maybe something is going on. 01:27 wajasu nothing. no searches working yet. maybe that [fatal] error about "Node node zebra missing" when i rebuild an index. 01:28 wajasu i get ERROR 109 in the zerbasrv output 01:28 wajasu let me try a rebuild_zebra.pl 01:30 braedon|work chuck in a -r to rebuild from scratch 01:30 braedon|work http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-May/018314.html <- that is the only reference i can find to the error you are getting - unfortunately not answered by anyone 01:31 braedon|work (i think it is -r - probably shuld check htat..) 01:32 wajasu ok, i did rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r and its doing something, because it didn't return back yet 01:32 wajasu cpu is pegged at 94% 01:33 braedon|work that looks better :p 01:33 braedon|work unless the error is only happening at the end 01:33 braedon|work in which case it is just redoing all the ones before the error is hit 01:37 wajasu i got --> from the rebuild output zebraidx(22292) [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit 01:38 braedon|work hmm, weird 01:38 wajasu when i search i get --> zebrasrv(13) [request] Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr "1=Personal-name" "bridges, charles" 01:39 braedon|work perhaps you have something in one of your marc files that Zebra doesn't like? 01:39 wajasu let me revert and import a few 01:43 masonj wajasu: 'zebraidx(22292) [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit' is a *FAILED* zebra rebuild.. 01:43 masonj im pretty sure.. 01:44 wajasu i had dumped the records from librarymanager (DOS based). Then wrote a program to read them, converting to utf8, search z3950 servers by isbn, then author and title, then add my call number to 090ab, add a 952 item, and write the marc records. 01:44 masonj which also means your zebradb data-files should be around 0-bytes too 01:44 masonj nice work ;) 01:45 wajasu i'll look at the zebradb (/var...?) 01:45 masonj so your rebuild_zebra.pl isnt succeeding, i think 01:46 masonj have u had it built/indexed successfully before? 01:46 masonj or is this a 1st time? 01:47 masonj ahh, reading your previous messages, i see this... 01:47 masonj 'fatal] error about "Node node zebra missing"' 01:48 masonj ah, i read more! :) 01:50 masonj if youve never indexed a zebradb yet, you need to start with a test system that has CLEAN AND SANE bibs ;) 01:51 wajasu nothing in /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios/{register,key,shadow,tmp} but README files. 01:51 wajasu all the directories are owned by koha 01:51 masonj what bibs are you using ? 01:52 masonj and do you bibs have correct data in their 'biblioitems.marcxml' field? 01:53 masonj if they are missing that field... then the zebra-build wont start 01:53 masonj so... 01:53 wajasu i reverted my import so no records exist. now I'll try a rebuild 01:53 masonj a few things to check before the zeb-build is gonna fly 01:54 wajasu ok 01:54 masonj a rebuild wont work , without any bibs 01:54 masonj but you knew that , i guess :) 01:54 masonj easiest way to do is... 01:54 wajasu ok, I'll add a couple that I exported from a prior koha 01:54 wajasu is? 01:55 wajasu add my own? 01:55 wajasu by hand? 01:55 masonj $ bulkmarcimport --file ./my-bibs.mrc 01:55 masonj bibs , bibitems, items tables populated. then.... 01:55 masonj $ rebuild_zebra -r -b -v 1 01:56 masonj then sucess. 01:56 wajasu i had 16000 biblios, biblioitems, items, and my items where showing up fine. 01:56 masonj make sure to set your KOHA_CONF, and PERL5LIB env-vars etc.. 01:56 masonj cool 01:57 masonj your biblioitems.marcxml have vailid xml in them? 01:57 wajasu then I tried the rebuild -r -b with those ENV vars set just as cron would like, but thats when I got that error. 01:57 wajasu i had loaded them into marcedit and ran the validator, and there were lots of errors. 01:58 masonj i have never used marcedit, so i dunno if thats common... 01:58 wajasu many isbns were not split into $a $c and had '(pbk.)' and so on. 01:58 masonj marcdump ./bibs.mrc 01:59 masonj is a good way to check them 01:59 masonj or marclint... 01:59 masonj $ marclint ./bibs.mrc 01:59 masonj etc... 02:00 wajasu ok. i'll try marcdump 02:00 masonj if your marc files are glitchy for starters, then nothing is gonna work 02:01 wajasu i'm gonna have to take a break and eat. but you may know an answer to another question. 02:02 masonj start by importing *1* record, even ;) 02:02 wajasu if i select the auto barcode generation in the admin prefs, should I have barcodes after a staged style import? or did I need to run a script to fill them in. or have them in my marc records beforehand? 02:03 wajasu ok let me try one record 02:04 masonj pass.. it really depends on how they were created/added 02:05 masonj but if they were added correctly, then yes - barcodes will be created after AddItem() sub, i think 02:06 wajasu ok. i imported 400 records i had lying around, and then rebuilt (success!) and the search worked. 02:07 wajasu i will have to divide and conquer the 16000 batch 02:08 masonj congrats! :) 02:09 wajasu thanks! 02:10 wajasu do you know what authorites records are? and whether I need to get them? and how to get them? 02:15 wajasu ok break time for me. 02:17 chris_n g'evening 02:22 braedon|work ahoy chris_n 02:27 braedon|work wajasu: as i understand them(not well) authority records provide standard (authoritative) versions of names/titles/etc 02:28 braedon|work you can link a field to one when cataloging 02:28 braedon|work if you change a authority record, any fields linked to it will also change in sync 02:30 braedon|work and you can do things like show all biblios linked to a specific authority record, for example the authoritative name of an author. Thus, instead of searching for the author, and getting all books by people with similar names to the author, you only get books actually written by that specific author, assuming your authorities are set up correctly 02:31 braedon|work exactly how you implement authority records, i am not entirely sure 02:31 braedon|work apparently they are usually imported from a marc file provides by some authority(surprisingly) 02:32 braedon|work whether you can automate the process of linking existing biblio fields to these authorities, or if you have to go through each biblio in your catalogue and do it manually, i am not sure. 02:51 wajasu thanks for the background. So once I get things going, I may have to work on that. 03:23 Amit hi all 03:23 Amit heya brendan, chris 03:33 chris_n heya Amit 03:36 Amit heya chris_n 04:03 brendan heya amit 04:15 brendan @wunder asheville, nc 04:15 munin brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.3�C (11:15 PM EST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM EST Wednesday... 06:45 htaccess chris: got everything setup at home now too, can pull from you (upstream) and my github (origin) 06:46 chris awesome 06:46 chris cooking with gas 06:59 nicomo morning #koha 07:03 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:04 chris hi nicomo and Ropuch 07:05 nicomo evening chris 07:09 Amit_laptop heya nicomo, Ropuch 07:09 nicomo hi Amit_laptop 07:10 Ropuch Hi chris, nicomo, Amit_laptop ;> 07:10 nicomo hi Ropuch 07:10 nicomo ok let's call it a draw 07:10 nicomo :-) 07:17 Ropuch [; 08:21 Ropuch Can anybody take a look at http://bagno.be/rcv_error.png 08:23 Ropuch I have trouble receiving some items 08:24 chris that looks like a bug 08:25 * chris takes a look at the code 08:27 Ropuch I've examined the "receive" link from the working "receiveable" item and one of those - they are the same (with different &receive= and &biblionumber) 08:29 chris i see 2 bugfixes for orderreceive.pl since 3.0.5 08:30 chris hmm or maybe not, looking more 08:31 chris ah yep, its because it is missing the ordernumber 08:31 chris which means it cant find the bookseller 08:31 chris so this line 08:32 chris name => $bookseller->{'name'}, 08:32 chris blows up 08:33 chris does the receive link have a supplierid parameter in the url? 08:33 Ropuch Yes 08:34 chris interesting 08:35 Ropuch One sec, I'll find 'working' item and pastebin good & bad links 08:35 chris on line 191 could you put 08:36 chris die $bookseller; 08:36 chris to test my theory 08:36 chris paul_p: are you about? 08:36 paul_p hi chris, yes i'm here 08:37 chris you've heard of neemia tialata? 08:37 paul_p ??? (nope) 08:37 chris (all black prop) 08:37 chris number 3 08:37 chris plays for wellington too 08:37 paul_p no, I didn't. why ? 08:38 chris he is buying coffee for people tomorrow :) 08:38 chris Ok (wellington) "Twitter Fam" who is down for lunch at @laffare tomorrow? come along my shout! http://twtvite.com/scb3wv re-tweet pls 08:39 Ropuch chris: with die $bookseller; in 191 I get Error 500 08:39 Ropuch But I'm not sure if my 191 is your 191 - I haven't patched 3.00.05 08:40 chris yep, you can check the apache error log now 08:40 chris and htere it should have the value of bookseller 08:42 chris paul_p: its not everyday an allblack buys lunch for people :) 08:45 Ropuch HASH(0x3c5bcc0), referer: http://195.254.156.179:8080/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/parcel.pl?supplierid=11&op=new&invoice=Dar+DZ%2F03%3A1%2F10&datereceived=02%2F24%2F2010 08:45 Ropuch Premature end of script headers: orderreceive.pl, referer: http://195.254.156.179:8080/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/parcel.pl?supplierid=11&op=new&invoice=Dar+DZ%2F03%3A1%2F10&datereceived=02%2F24%2F2010 08:45 Ropuch Date is in weird format in log, in link it;s 2010-02-24 08:46 chris right so my theory is wrong, bookseller looks fine 08:46 chris (it should be a HASH) 08:49 chris can you paste what is on your line 192? 08:50 Ropuch sure 08:51 Ropuch $template->param( 08:51 Ropuch Hm 08:52 Ropuch datereceived => $datereceived->output(), 08:52 Ropuch datereceived_iso => $datereceived->output('iso'), 08:52 Ropuch It's ok that datereived is empty? 08:53 chris ahhh that will be the issue 08:55 chris that looks like us format date in the link ... which i suspect yuo dont use in poland? 08:55 Ropuch Nope 08:58 Ropuch Hm, actually I can use us or iso date format, it's fine by me 08:58 chris what is your syspref set to? 09:00 Ropuch I was set to us 09:00 Ropuch I've changed it to iso 09:00 Ropuch And now i have illegal date in apache log 09:01 Ropuch But it's weird that some of items from same basket work, and some don't 09:02 chris yeah that is weird, it must be something that happened when they were ordered 09:03 chris if you modify one (dont change anything just choose modify and then save it) 09:03 chris does that now make it work when you receive? 09:07 Ropuch No - I've ordered them at the same time 09:09 chris stranger and stranger 10:40 tekonivel magnus: hi 10:40 magnus hiya tekonivel 10:40 tekonivel magnus: yesterday you mentioned that norwegians are thinking of something like ÖB 10:41 tekonivel magnus: i'm weeding my emails, and ve've had discussion of ÖB, or that we should have a shared, centralized "honeypot" of UGC too 10:42 tekonivel magnus: so my question is, have there been discussion about joihing the swedes, or setting up your own honeypot in norway? 10:43 tekonivel we've not decided... but things tend to happen /sloooooow/, so personally i'd prefer joining someone and then maybe forking out later if need be 10:43 magnus tekonivel: we have talked about getting the code and setting up our own installation - to play with it a bit and think about what we need and want and can do 10:43 tekonivel some nordic cooperation here? 10:43 tekonivel :) 10:44 tekonivel magnus: so the code is ready for production? 10:44 * tekonivel haven't looked at it in a while 10:44 magnus we are also thinking about nordic cooperation - some kind of meta-service to aggregate stuff 10:44 tekonivel magnus: yea 10:44 magnus i don't think they have released the code, but we have been in contact with them a bit and they have said we can have it 10:45 tekonivel magnus: it's easier for you with a shared language, but we've got ppl here with swedish as the first language too 10:45 tekonivel magnus: that's good to hear 10:45 magnus yeah, the language-stuff is interesting! ;-) 10:45 tekonivel i wonder what the danes are up to 10:45 magnus lots, probably 10:45 tekonivel magnus: lol propably :) 10:45 tekonivel esp. in Århus 10:46 magnus by the way: "we" are the norwegian library laboratory: http://www.biblab.no/ 10:46 tekonivel magnus: ours is http://labs.kirjastot.fi :) 10:47 magnus cool 10:47 magnus i hadn't seen that 10:49 * tekonivel adds biblab to rss aggregator 11:11 bigbrovar Hey guys I have a friend who is a librarian and she wants to do her masters in IT but I advised her to do something related to IT and library. Does anyone have tip on a masters course of certification in a related field? 11:26 fallor Hello again guys 11:27 fallor What do you make of this: http://koha.kepa.fi/ 11:27 fallor the database seems to be messed up pretty bad 11:28 gmcharlt fallor: at a guess, mysqld is not running at all 11:28 fallor that much i figured, so i went ahead and checked that 11:28 fallor i tried to restart it, but it refused to stop 11:28 fallor then i booted the server and now it refuses to start up 11:28 fallor Koha database is 1,7 MB (it was 103 MB yesterday) 11:29 gmcharlt just 2% of its former size? ouch 11:29 fallor yep 11:30 fallor i have a recent dump so that's not a problem 11:30 fallor but how am i supposed to feed the data back in if the damn thing won't start 11:32 gmcharlt what error messages is it giving you? 11:33 fallor ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) 11:34 gmcharlt anything in /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql.err ? 11:34 fallor the server hasn't actually completed the bootup procedure (rc.M is still running) because the MySQL server is acting up 11:35 fallor nope, nothing 11:36 fallor whoops 11:36 fallor i think i found the problem 11:36 fallor this is what df says: 11:36 fallor /dev/hda1 20G 19G 0 100% / 11:36 fallor so 0 bytes of free space on disk 11:36 gmcharlt that would do it :) 11:37 fallor for sure :D 11:37 fallor now unfortunately the guy that takes care of this server is out on a holiday until 1.3. 11:37 Genji hey all. how do i step through values in a field, in a marc::record? 11:38 gmcharlt Genji: MARC::Field->subfields() returns an array of subfields 11:42 chris_n g'morning 11:47 gmcharlt hi nelsonf 11:51 fallor hmm... there are a lot of mysql-bin.0000nn files under /var/lib/mysql 11:51 fallor they seem to be eating up the diskspace 11:51 fallor is is dafe to remove them? 11:51 fallor safe even 12:03 chris_n bbl 12:15 gmcharlt fallor: they're MySQL binary logs - it's safe to remove them or move them onto another filesystem 12:16 gmcharlt if you're planning to restore from your dump 12:16 gmcharlt they're used for replication and data recovery 12:21 Genji so, i just do foreach my $item (@$tag->subfields()) { print $item)? 12:23 Genji foreach my $item (@{$tag->subfields()}) { print $item) 12:24 Genji ? 12:33 fallor gmcharlt: thanks, that's what I did :) 12:33 fallor gmcharlt: I also switched of binary logging from my.cnf 12:33 fallor +f 12:34 gmcharlt Genji: just about - each subfield entry return is a two-element arrayref 12:34 gmcharlt first elment of which is the subfield code, the second is the subfield value 12:34 Genji so... $ele->{value}/ 12:34 Genji ? 12:35 Genji wait.. arrayref.. so.. $ele[1]? 12:36 Genji eh.. that didn't work. 12:36 Genji oh.. duh... 12:38 Genji oh nevermind. 12:38 Genji didn't work it out yet. 12:40 Genji foreach my $element ($tag->subfields()){ 12:40 Genji foreach my $ele (@$element){print "$ele\n"; 12:40 Genji } 12:40 Genji } 12:40 Genji }} 12:41 Genji so far, i get both the subfield key, and value.. 12:41 gmcharlt yep 12:41 Genji $ele[1] doesnt work. 12:49 jdavidb Mornin'. Harrrrumph! 12:50 jwagner I have a monopoly on the harrumphing this morning.... 12:50 gmcharlt so early? 12:50 * jdavidb did *not* wanna get out of bed this morning. Arthritis is kicking up a little; staying *still* feels much better. 12:53 Genji any idea,gmcharlt? 12:54 gmcharlt $element->[0] contains the subfield code, $element->[1] the value 12:54 gmcharlt i.e., in your loop, $element is the array ref for each subfield 12:55 gmcharlt i.e., ($subf_label, $subf_value) = @{ $element }; 12:55 Genji ah 13:46 owen Hi randyc 13:53 jdavidb Hi, Colin! 13:55 owen Another tweet about our catalog. I just don't get it. http://twitter.com/ExtremeSurvival/statuses/9568844062 13:55 nengard owen is it possible he lives in your area and did a search he thought had good results? 13:55 * nengard thinking positively 13:56 owen This is the third one I've seen, and each was from a different account 13:56 nengard hmmm 13:56 nengard it's not bad spam ... 13:56 owen It's just odd 13:57 nengard bleh - weatherman just said we're getting more snow tonight into Friday!! 14:01 owen Hi brendan, how's code4lib going? 14:01 brendan good so far, but there doesn't seem to be enough coffee - it always runs out quickly 14:02 brendan been seeing some cool xml stuff 14:02 chris_n coffee_shortage-- 14:02 owen Somehow that doesn't surprise me, all those caffeine-addicted geeks in one place. 14:03 brendan hi nelsonf 14:03 nelsonf gooood morning brandon! another code4lib day, oh boy 14:04 nelsonf how was the beer last night? Did you drink your $40 worth? 14:04 jwagner owen, see, that's where us tea-drinkers have the advantage. While everyone else is fighting over the coffee, we can slip in and brew our caffeine of choice :-) 14:08 brendan I think so 14:08 brendan but feeling great this morning - so not too much 14:18 tekonivel okrap 14:19 * tekonivel comes across translations from XSLT-files 14:20 tekonivel these are used for string matching xpaths :( 14:21 owen nengard: I looked at Bug 4248 yesterday and got stumped by the Perl too 14:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4248 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Cities Town Pull Down Missing Zip 14:21 nengard yeah - that's why i changed who it was assigned to - but it looks like someone may have figured it out - i forget who now .... 14:22 collum It was me. 14:22 owen Oh, great collum, I didn't see that 14:23 * owen goes to look at the patch to see if he can learn from it 14:23 collum i just appended the zip to the city/state string. 14:23 Colin I think the patch should checked whether zip is defined though 14:24 collum Zip is used in the value element 14:24 collum of the select statement. 14:25 Colin Outside the US zip is not city level so it won't be defined in many cases generating a warning 14:25 collum Ah. I just assumed it was already checked because it was already used. 14:26 collum Probably a bad assumption. 14:26 nengard thanks collum!!! 14:26 nengard I'm off to do day 2 of training and to sing your praises for fixing that - even if it is only partially fixed :_) 14:26 nengard :) 14:26 Colin the perennial problem of nulls 14:27 collum OK. Off to meeting. 14:27 collum a meeting rather. 14:27 * owen is a Perl newb so that $city{ $data->... construction was greek to me 14:27 * owen wonders if other find that their City/State dropdown contains 2 blank lines? 14:32 Colin owen: I've got two blank lines then the two cities I defined 14:34 * owen remembers that symptom from Bug 2399 14:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---, chris.nighswonger@liblime.com, REOPENED, All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one 14:35 Colin If you look at it in firebug one is "" and one is " " 14:36 owen # insert empty value to create a empty choice in cgi popup 14:36 owen push @id, " "; 14:41 Colin and later there's an unshift. I think the routine is asking to be tidied up 14:44 wizzyrea_ owen: that is an extremely interesting use of the library catalog, if it's legit 14:45 wizzyrea_ i mean, look at the account: http://twitter.com/extremesurvival 14:45 wizzyrea_ he's got 2900 followers 14:46 wizzyrea_ and your catalog was one of the resources he linked to, pretty good promotion for your library 14:46 owen wizzyrea_: I think it's a spam robot of some kind, but I can't figure out the angle. 14:47 owen Like maybe each tweet is a Google result for "wilderness survival" or something 14:47 wizzyrea_ dunno, he linked to a subject search of survival 14:47 wizzyrea_ the company looks kind of legit to me 14:47 owen Except no contact info, no information about where the company is located 14:48 owen Only an email link 14:48 owen No classes listed on the calendar 14:48 wizzyrea_ yea, but it could be a very small company 14:49 wizzyrea_ with bad design skills >.> 14:49 wizzyrea_ i dunno, it could be automatic, but I still think it's an interesting use of a library catalog 14:50 owen Yeah I don't think it does us any harm, I'm just curious about it. I've got a Google alert set up for results that include "Athens County Public Libraries" so it caught my eye 14:52 wizzyrea_ it was sent from a twitter client called twitterfeed: http://twitterfeed.com/ 14:52 wizzyrea_ so yea, it's automated somehow 14:52 wizzyrea_ maybe his facebook? 14:53 owen Oh nice, my Google alert for "nelsonville public library" was returning no results because I misspelled "library" :P 14:53 wizzyrea_ hehe 14:53 gmcharlt come joins us at the libary 14:53 gmcharlt :) 14:55 owen Serves me right, I was just grouching about the misspellings in a recent email to parents from my daughter's school principal 14:55 owen spelling karma 14:55 wizzyrea_ hehe 14:55 owen Does chris's IRC stats page grade us on spelling? 14:55 wizzyrea_ oi I hope not 14:56 magnus @karma spelling 14:56 munin magnus: spelling has neutral karma. 14:56 magnus ;-) 14:58 owen @karma karma 14:58 munin owen: Highest karma: "chris" (108), "gmcharlt" (108), and "owen" (87). Lowest karma: "<!" (-43), "failed" (-26), and "-" (-21). You (owen) are ranked 3 out of 719. 14:59 gmcharlt chris++ # just because 14:59 owen karma++ 14:59 gmcharlt spelling++ # honoured more in the breach, perhaps :) 15:00 jdavidb @karma 15:00 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (109), "gmcharlt" (108), and "owen" (87). Lowest karma: "<!" (-43), "failed" (-26), and "-" (-21). You (jdavidb) are ranked 18 out of 721. 15:01 owen <!++ # for consistently and reliably beginning HTML comments 15:01 wizzyrea_ hehe 15:02 jdavidb @karma wizzyrea 15:02 munin jdavidb: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 56 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 56. 15:02 gmcharlt -++ # math just wouldn't be any fun without it 15:02 wizzyrea_ oh no a karma party 15:02 * jdavidb thinks someone oughta hide the sugar and caffeine... 15:02 owen wizzyrea++ # for her holds bug detective work 15:02 wizzyrea_ @karma - 15:02 munin wizzyrea_: Karma for "-" has been increased 1 time and decreased 21 times for a total karma of -20. 15:03 wizzyrea_ well I'm not sure I've found it, but I'm a lot closer 15:03 wizzyrea_ but thanks all the same 15:03 wizzyrea_ :) 15:03 wizzyrea_ owen++ # for the super slick intranet interface 15:04 owen Made with real butter 15:04 wizzyrea_ mmmm... buttery 15:18 owen The vacuum of space was so cold... 15:18 moodaepo @wunder 56001 15:18 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -18.6�C (9:16 AM CST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -22.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Rising). 15:18 moodaepo owen: it's nearly that cold here 15:19 brendan wow moodaepo. that's insane 15:19 jwagner @wunder Bethesda, MD 15:19 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 5.8�C (10:19 AM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from late tonight through late Thursday night... 15:19 brendan small kids will freeze solid if they stood still outside in the temp for too long 15:20 moodaepo brendan: it sounds a lot better in fahrenheit, how was the beer-cruise? 15:20 brendan my wife from cambridge, minn... told me that they canceled school sometimes because it got too cold 15:21 moodaepo hah I'm not surprised, but not that cold yet 15:21 brendan beer- cruise was good.. got a good tour of brewery and had some good beers 15:21 owen They do that here too, but I'll bet MN has stricter standards ;) 15:22 brendan one of the top beers was a gaelic ale from highland breweries 15:22 brendan a little bit sweet (but a good session beer) 15:23 Kuna Is this an america chatbox? :) 15:24 brendan it's global 15:24 jwagner Kuna, not even close 15:24 brendan just america's the most awake at the moment 15:24 wizzyrea the americans happen to... what he said 15:24 jwagner For certain values of "awake" 15:25 Kuna haha :) 15:25 * owen grumbles "speak for yourself brendan" 15:25 brendan some more so than others 15:25 wizzyrea "the most awake" not "awake" ;) 15:25 * wizzyrea is awake 15:25 * brendan 's very awake 15:25 Kuna Yea because it looks pretty quiet in here 15:25 wizzyrea ok, now the word awake looks weird to me 15:25 wizzyrea well we just got back from a brief interruption in service to the channel :P 15:26 Kuna It's cool that it's a browser chatbox, and yea not everybody is awake. :) 15:26 Kuna So Where you from Wizzyrea? 15:26 wizzyrea US - Kansas 15:27 owen Kuna did you come to talk about Koha? 15:27 magnus europe, on the other hand, is getting ready for dinner... 15:27 Kuna No , what is koha actually? 15:27 Kuna Yea it's near 5 pm over here. 15:27 owen Kuna I think this isn't the place you want to be. We're here to talk about software development 15:27 wizzyrea Koha is an open source library automation system 15:27 Kuna magnus, you seem to be european too? 15:27 Kuna o ok :) 15:28 wizzyrea www.koha-community.org 15:28 Kuna i'll check it out :) in wich kind of domain are you develloping. Sound, 3D, ERP, or operating systems? 15:28 wizzyrea speaking of koha-community... I'm still a bit fuddled by this problem with docbook2html 15:28 wizzyrea Library Automation Systems/Web Application, among other things 15:29 Kuna nice. So it's the language that should run a whole range of websites, right? 15:30 wizzyrea erm, well: http://koha-community.org/about/ 15:30 Kuna ok checkin 15:31 wizzyrea it's the system that enables automated tracking of library materials (library, as in, the large (sometimes) civic buildings filled with items circulated (sometimes) free to anyone) 15:32 Kuna this would be great to manage a biotonic library :) 15:32 Kuna Because the classes would devellop a tree and would gradually contain all the plant information 15:33 wizzyrea It could probably do that, but not all too particularly gracefully 15:34 wizzyrea it's really more for library metadata/tracking 15:34 Kuna ok a little bit like a search engine would use 15:36 Kuna ok i'm gone. See you guy's around. Have fun.. 15:36 wizzyrea thanks we always do :) 15:36 Kuna great 15:36 owen Good like finding your america chatbox! 15:37 owen Are we the first result for "chat" on Google or something? 15:37 wizzyrea man I have no idea 15:39 * wizzyrea envisions the physical space of #koha as a dimly lit room with lots of squishy things to sit on, endless coffee, and a floor covered with power outlets 15:39 owen Bug 4250 15:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4250 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, cart missing print button 15:39 magnus hehe - talking of which: looks like koha-community.org is now hit number 12 on google when you search for "koha"... 15:39 wizzyrea NIC 15:39 wizzyrea NICE 15:39 wizzyrea will have to keep on that 15:40 owen Cart missing print button because owen added "display:none" to cart link for some reason. 15:40 wizzyrea !! 15:40 schuster heo... 15:40 * owen wonders what owen was thinking on 2009-12-31 12:45:54 15:40 brendan hi schuster 15:40 wizzyrea ... 15:40 wizzyrea never SU after 2 :P 15:40 schuster well should we go check the logs! 15:40 gmcharlt` cool 15:41 jwagner Hi, schuster, did you get much snow this time around? 15:41 schuster NONE! All SOUTH of Dallas - which is really funny - one would think the NORTH would get it... 15:42 wizzyrea "That print button is UGLY! No one will miss it..." 15:42 wizzyrea <zaps it> 15:42 wizzyrea ;) 15:42 jwagner Latest forecast here is that we're going to be on the southern fringes of this one. People further up the coast and inland are going to get it worse. 15:43 jwagner wizzyrea, I can think of lots of things where that logic could be applied :-) 15:43 jwagner Starting with those item-type icons.... 15:43 schuster So I have an sql question - I need to find all of the "first available" type holds... I was looking at the reserves table but can't figure where that is indicated? 15:44 owen schuster: Meaning all holds which are on "next available" rather than for a specific copy? 15:44 schuster So if itemnumber is blank does that mean it is next available? yes owen 15:45 owen An itemnumber will be present for item-level holds and for non-item-level holds which have had an item allocated for them. 15:46 schuster ok - for now until we can get local (school only holds) implemented I need to change these to specific copies. I was able to "adjust" the tmpl to remove the next Available option forcing them to a specific copy. 15:48 schuster Most schools only have one copy except for the current award books - but still... 15:50 wizzyrea you could probably suppress the next avail option with jquery too 15:50 jwagner schuster, does changing the circ rule setting on holds to "from home library only" limit the holds the way you want? 15:50 wizzyrea I don't think he has that code yet :( 15:50 jwagner Ooops. 15:51 schuster :( 15:52 schuster wizzyrea do you have that code? what version are you on? 15:52 gmcharlt` sekjal is presenting now 15:52 wizzyrea WOOO Sekjal! 15:52 wizzyrea yea, NEKLS sponsored that 15:53 schuster I have something that says item type and hold policy but I wasn't able to figure out how it works. 15:55 brendan sekjal's presentation is going great so far 15:55 brendan getting some laughs 15:55 brendan sekjal++ 15:56 owen What's the topic? 15:56 nelsonf_ migrating from millennium to koha 15:56 brendan migration from iii to koha 15:57 brendan had the best slide ever - titled when titans clash 16:00 wizzyrea hahah 16:00 wizzyrea oh, schuster, maybe you do have it 16:00 wizzyrea it's kind of twitchy, you have to have the rules configured just so 16:00 wizzyrea let me send you a screencap of how we do local holds in our catalog 16:00 wizzyrea schuster: http://screencast.com/t/NzQyYzczOT 16:00 brendan with a picture of two kittens fighting with a bomb going off in the background 16:02 janewagner What's happening with the IRC today? Just got bounced for the 3rd time. 16:08 schuster wizzyrea - so what do you have on the "default" location level? 16:08 schuster I tried to limit all locations itemtype to Book - local only - but that didn't take. 16:08 schuster sorry "from home library" 16:10 gmcharlt` sekjal++ 16:10 schuster sekjal++ there will be lots of people interested in those slides... 16:14 jwagner All these identity crises this morning.... 16:32 wizzyrea here's the default level http://screencast.com/t/MzNhZWE3M 16:34 wizzyrea sorry, was afk 16:34 wizzyrea schuster 16:41 schuster wizzyrea - so does that limit both in staff and pac or?? 16:41 wizzyrea yes, the local hold rules, as I understand it, use the patron's home library setting to determine eligibility for holds 16:42 wizzyrea gmcharlt would know definitively 16:42 wizzyrea and that applies in both pac and intranet 16:43 gmcharlt wizzyrea: correct 16:44 wizzyrea owen: lol 16:44 owen You too wizzyrea! 16:45 wizzyrea i'm still giggling 17:05 CGI757 hey any one with tools to trade 17:06 owen CGI757: Yeah, I've got an old hammer. What'll you give me for it? 17:07 CGI757 lol 17:07 CGI757 just wanna know if there is anyone here lol 17:10 nengard anyone know what's up with the kohacon site? 17:10 nengard http://kohacon.appspot.com/ 17:10 * wizzyrea is not it 17:10 owen nengard: It was working early this morning 17:10 owen earlier, that is 17:10 wizzyrea google has been funny all day 17:10 nengard hmm 17:11 * owen didn't wake up first thing to check it 17:11 wizzyrea i wonder if translate.koha.org is broken too 17:11 wizzyrea sho nuff 17:11 wizzyrea I thought that error looked familiar 17:11 wizzyrea they must be on the same server >.> 17:12 owen Damn now I've got this hammer I still need to get rid of. 17:12 wizzyrea aw 17:12 wizzyrea oh there it is 17:12 wizzyrea I think there might be something funky with the trans-ocean interweb link 17:12 wizzyrea today 17:13 * wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk 17:13 wizzyrea wait, that's a lie 17:14 wizzyrea I totally dig it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vioZf4TjoUI 17:19 rhcl seems lots of sites are down. I can't get to tigerdirect.com, globalgoved.com, compusa.com, et al. 17:19 jdavidb @quote add *wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie 17:19 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #61 added. 17:20 * jdavidb chuckles evilly. 17:21 wizzyrea lol sigh 17:21 wizzyrea @quote random 17:21 munin wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009) 17:21 wizzyrea lol 17:21 jdavidb @quote random 17:21 munin jdavidb: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009) 17:21 * jdavidb pokes munin in the ribs, and calls it a dork. 17:21 wizzyrea @be 17:21 munin wizzyrea: Error: "be" is not a valid command. 17:21 jdavidb @quote random 17:21 munin jdavidb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 10:00 AM, October 07, 2009) 17:21 wizzyrea man, you really gotta work on that 17:22 wizzyrea to be, or not to be, that is the question 17:22 wizzyrea for some reason I never get tired of that joke w/ munin 17:22 jdavidb "to be, or not to be?" That is the question....that will crash a SirsiDynix Unicorn OPAC spectacularly... 17:22 jwagner We have to work on munin's sense of humor.... 17:23 * jdavidb would *so* hack munin to respond to "@be" with "I am, <requestor>." 17:23 wizzyrea lol 17:23 jwagner @do 17:23 munin jwagner: Error: "do" is not a valid command. 17:24 wizzyrea @try 17:24 munin wizzyrea: Error: "try" is not a valid command. 17:24 wizzyrea that's right! 17:24 wizzyrea do, or do not, there is no try 17:24 jwagner Yes, Yoda 17:24 wizzyrea ;) 17:24 * jdavidb chuckles 17:26 jdavidb I used to program an LP Mud, and hacking up interactives was my favorite thing. The girls were *little* then, so I cobbled up Lindsey and Libby interactives as test exercises. 17:40 brendan @wunder asheville, nc 17:40 munin brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.4�C (12:40 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). High wind watch in effect from Thursday afternoon through Friday afternoon... 17:40 brendan ok gonna brave it and go out side :) 17:42 jdavidb @wunder 20817 17:42 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 7.3�C (12:42 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from midnight EST tonight through late Thursday night... 17:47 wizzyrea man what is with the weather this year 17:49 jdavidb owen++ #for his truly-fun Facebook status; I needed the giggle. 17:52 nengard @wunder 19030 17:52 munin nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 5.4�C (12:45 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from late tonight through Friday morning... 17:52 nengard stupid snow! 17:52 nengard wonder what I should have hubby pick up on the way home from work 18:04 jdavidb We're expecting 4-6" here, nengard. shouldn't be bad. 18:09 sekjal nengard: putting my slides up on slideshare now. network is kinda slow just now, it seems 18:12 collum Colin++ 18:12 * collum likes it when you guys take existing code and improve it. 18:12 collum It helps me to learn. 18:26 * owen is off to get his eyeballs prodded 18:30 jdavidb jwagner++ 18:32 jwagner Wha' for? 18:34 jdavidb For being jwagner, mostly. Do I need other reasons? 18:35 jwagner Well, that's probably a good one :-) (But you'll take it back when you see the ticket I just assigned you....) 18:37 jdavidb Naah. I see it. 18:46 nelsonf_ it's been real code4lib - later alligator 18:47 sekjal later, nelsonf_! 18:47 brendan bye nelsonf 18:47 brendan make sure you stop by ever so often and say hi :) 18:47 brendan well on IRC of course 19:07 seneca Does anyone know what table in the database a searching of the catalog draws from? 19:08 seneca I deleted some itemless records from the biblio table, but the items' records are still showing up in searches (but then giving a 404 error when you click on them) 19:13 gmcharlt seneca: are you using Zebra? 19:13 gmcharlt if so, you'll need to run rebuild_zebra.pl 19:13 seneca dunno - I'm using the prebuilt Koha vm 19:13 seneca slightly embarrasingly, I don't know if htat uses Zebra 19:14 gmcharlt seneca: try dropping to the command line and running rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r 19:14 gmcharlt also, if ps -ef | grep zebrasrv returns results, that will tell you if you're running zebra 19:14 gmcharlt or check the value of the NoZebra system preference in adminsitration 19:16 seneca Hmmm.. errors with the command, and can't find "NoZebra" where is it supposed to be? 19:17 seneca ok, ps returns results, so I guess zebra is running 19:17 seneca I'll try to get the rebuild working 19:22 seneca looks like a perl INC error - can't find Context.pm 19:35 wizzyrea seneca: export PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha/ 19:35 wizzyrea and 19:35 wizzyrea export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/your/koha-conf.xml 19:38 wizzyrea they won't probably be the same :/ 19:38 wizzyrea example, mine are 19:38 wizzyrea export KOHA_CONF=/home/liz/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 19:38 wizzyrea export PERL5LIB=/home/liz/kohaclone/ 19:38 seneca thanks, though I'm just chasing errors by this point 19:38 wizzyrea (I have to look this up almost every time) 19:39 seneca after those two things: 19:39 seneca Use of uninitialized value $db_driver in concatenation (.) or string at /etc/perl/C4/Context.pm line 666. Can't connect to data source 'dbname=__DB_NAME__;host=__DB_HOST__;port=__DB_PORT__' because I can't work out what driver to use (it doesn't seem to contain a 'dbi:driver:' prefix and the DBI_DRIVER env var is not set) at /etc/perl/C4/Context.pm line 666 19:39 wizzyrea can't say I've seen that one before :/ 19:40 wizzyrea anything in the list archives? 19:40 seneca Errors like these make me feel like I missed something VERY important on the setup step of Koha... 19:40 seneca but I used the VM, so someone else must have missed it... ;) 19:40 wizzyrea well you're using a pre configured VM... yea, that's what I was going to say ;) 19:40 seneca buck passed. 19:41 brendan which path did you use to set your KOHA_CONF 19:41 wizzyrea if you're down with the VM's, you could try just using Debian Lenny and doing an install from the INSTALL.debian-lenny file 19:41 seneca for me: /home/koha/koha3.0.5/koha-3.00.05/C4/Context.pm 19:41 wizzyrea the zebra bit is always dicey 19:41 brendan you could have set it to the file that has sym-links in it and not the file that has that information already filled in for you 19:42 seneca well, I've already got a good amount of work put into this VM, so if I could fix it, that would be grand 19:42 brendan you want to look for your koha-conf.xml file 19:42 wizzyrea so your PERL5LIB would be /home/koha/kohw3.0.5/koha-3.00.05/ 19:42 seneca right 19:42 wizzyrea it's always the dir above 19:42 seneca did that 19:43 wizzyrea the other thing that trips people up is not running the indexing as the right user 19:43 wizzyrea but in a VM, you're probably logged in as the right user 19:43 wizzyrea or what brendan said 19:45 seneca how would I know if my koha-conf.xml file is funky? 19:47 brendan you probably have two copies of it 19:47 seneca oh weird - if I "sudo export" I get an "export: command not found" 19:47 brendan and you're just pointing to the wrong one 19:48 seneca yeha, that was it 19:48 seneca I pointed to the old one (before the 3.0.5 upgrade) and it appears to be working 19:48 seneca at least, it's not erroring yet 19:49 brendan heya wizzyrea for your knowledge when you see the __DB_NAME_ or similar stuff 19:49 brendan that information is filled in during the makefile.pl (you know the install part) 19:49 chris morning 19:49 wizzyrea right 19:49 wizzyrea (mornin chris) 19:49 braedon|work seneca: when you upgraded, did you point the makefile to the correct install log? 19:49 richard hey chris 19:49 brendan so when you answer the questions on that part --> it will use that file make a new one and plug your desicions into it 19:49 brendan hi chris 19:49 seneca so if you don't actually run the makefile, like how I manually upgraded this from 3.0.0, that info wouldn't be filled in? 19:50 seneca perhaps not 19:50 braedon|work o, manual upgrade? fun. yip, you would be left with the template 19:50 seneca I hada hell of a tiem upgrading the CM 19:50 wizzyrea oh, this makes sense to me brendan 19:51 wizzyrea it's reporting the variables 19:51 seneca (should the zebra rebuild still be going?) 19:51 wizzyrea yes, probably :) 19:51 seneca what is the official way to upgrade koha, VM or not? 19:51 seneca thanks, wizzyrea 19:51 wizzyrea yepper :) 19:52 seneca I will continue to be patient... 19:52 seneca *tapping pen* 19:52 braedon|work is the vm the one with a dev install? or a standard? 19:52 seneca both, I think 19:52 seneca in /home/koha 19:52 braedon|work (do you have a kohaclone and koha-dev folder in the Koha user's directory?) 19:53 braedon|work that is a dev install 19:53 seneca there's a koha-dev dir and a kohaclone 19:53 seneca yep 19:53 braedon|work you can checkout new versions from git 19:53 seneca guess I should figure out how to use git, eh? ;) HA 19:53 seneca it's about time, I suppose 19:54 braedon|work in the kohaclone folder, run git branch -a 19:54 seneca (btw: the zebra rebuild finished and the problem results have disappeared from the searches - THANKS ALL) 19:55 braedon|work that will show you all the branches you can check out 19:55 braedon|work but if you are wanting to checkout an official release, they are tags, not branches 19:56 seneca tags? 19:56 braedon|work git tag will list the tags 19:56 braedon|work basically pointers to points in development 19:56 braedon|work ie, releases in this case 19:56 seneca wonder if I should restore to before my "manual" upgrade to 3.0.5 to do this... 19:56 braedon|work what you can do, is pull down the tag from git 19:56 braedon|work and then run the installer again 19:57 braedon|work to get you back to a git dev install 19:57 braedon|work in the kohaclone directory, run git tag to list tags, and find the name of the one for 3.00.05 19:58 seneca I will have to go back to the original, pre-manual upgrade 19:58 seneca git gives a fatal error in my upgraded kohaclone folder 19:58 braedon|work then run git pull <name of tag> 19:58 seneca ok - let me make a snapshot... 19:58 braedon|work o, did you touch the kohaclone folder? 19:58 braedon|work tha's bad... may have to checkout again 19:59 braedon|work (sorry, using svn terminology. you may have to 'clone' again) 20:00 seneca I renamed the old kohaclone folder 20:01 braedon|work ok, just a sec, confirming commands 20:01 braedon|work havn't done this for a while 20:01 seneca then made the 3.0.5 folder "kohaclone" (actually, I use a symlink) 20:01 braedon|work prob best to start with a new kohaclone 20:01 seneca I think I can put it back and give it a try 20:01 braedon|work but keep the one one for config files 20:02 seneca what do you mean by "new" kohaclone? 20:02 braedon|work the old one* 20:02 seneca oh, ok 20:03 braedon|work kohaclone is a git repository pulled down from the web 20:03 seneca snapshot's done - giving it a try 20:03 braedon|work if you have touched it, you really need to start again 20:03 braedon|work pull it down again with git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone 20:03 braedon|work but remove that symlink first 20:03 seneca ok 20:04 seneca working... 20:04 seneca (thanks a million for the help) 20:06 braedon|work once that is done, in the kohaclone directory, run git tag -l, and find the name of the 3.00.05 tag 20:06 braedon|work then run git checkout <tag name> 20:06 braedon|work then git pull 20:06 braedon|work then you need to find your original install log file 20:07 braedon|work (make sure it has variables filled correctly, not filled with __SOMETHING__ ) 20:11 braedon|work then you need to run the Makefile.pl with the old log linked in (check the install docs under "upgrade" for the syntax 20:11 braedon|work then make 20:11 braedon|work make test 20:11 braedon|work if that succeeds, make upgrade 20:12 wizzyrea braedon|work wins for best instructions of the day 20:12 seneca indeed 20:13 chris wizzyrea: does wordpress have a nice faq plugin? 20:13 wizzyrea There used to be one, I'd have to look 20:13 wizzyrea for one, but I bet there is 20:13 wizzyrea lots of people do that with PS 20:13 wizzyrea WP* 20:13 chris might be nice to add one to the site 20:13 wizzyrea ps? where did I come up with that typo 20:13 wizzyrea agreed 20:13 chris and make braedon|work type in what he just typed ;-) 20:14 wizzyrea oh no kidding 20:14 wizzyrea actually. I will do that right after I finish with this thing I'm working on now 20:14 chris awesome! 20:14 wizzyrea because, yes, that is important 20:14 wizzyrea lol 20:14 cait pootle does not like me working on translation... Error accessing /home/chris/src/Pootle-2.0.0/po/intranet3_1/de/de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po.pending, Filesystem sent error: Too many open files 20:14 wizzyrea we need that, desperately 20:14 chris try again cait 20:14 braedon|work haha, make sure it is correct first! I did this like a month ago 20:15 cait An error has occurred. Thank you for your patience. unable to open database file hmmm 20:15 wizzyrea the faq ;) You can type it in :P 20:15 cait its polite g 20:15 cait Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. 20:15 cait hmm 20:15 chris yep im just restarting it 20:15 cait its getting worse with every F5 g 20:16 cait ah :) 20:17 cait thx chris! 20:18 chris no worries 20:18 chris hiya IrmaCalyx 20:20 ccurry Hello all. I'm trying to upgrade from 3.00.04.019 to 3.00.05.001, using git. 20:20 seneca HA! You should have been here 10 mins ago, ccurry! 20:21 ccurry should I check the logs then? 20:21 chris yep 20:21 ccurry ok...I'll take a look. Thanks 20:21 seneca braedon|work just outlined it 20:21 seneca following his steps myself right now 20:22 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-02-24#i_399973 starts about there 20:23 braedon|work well, actually, does anyone know if a upgrade make run is ever necessary when upgrading in git? 20:23 chris no, not usually 20:23 chris if you did a dev install you dont need to 20:23 seneca braedon|work: I'm hung on the git pull stage 20:24 chris you just rebase your repo to the level you want 20:24 chris and then the web based upgrader kicks in 20:24 seneca "git pull" gets me You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you want to merge with, and 'branch..merge' in your configuration file does not tell me either. Please name which branch you want to merge on the command line and try again (e.g. 'git pull <repository> <refspec>'). 20:25 braedon|work ccurry: if you have a "clean" dev git install, then you just need to run the checkout and pull lines. unless you have changed anything from the 3.00.04 tag, in which case you need a rebase(some correct me if i am wrong here) 20:25 braedon|work seneca: ahh, that's right 20:25 chris no changes pull is ok, changes yes rebase is safer 20:26 braedon|work just a sec, there was something different about pulling tags 20:26 braedon|work i got around it somehow... 20:26 * braedon|work curses his hopeless memory 20:27 chris git pull origin tagname 20:27 chris i think 20:28 seneca git pull origin v3.00.05: fatal: Couldn't find remote ref v3.00.05 20:28 seneca hmm 20:28 seneca not the tagname... 20:28 braedon|work what was the checkout command you ran? 20:28 seneca git checkout v3.00.05 20:28 braedon|work and it went through fine? 20:28 seneca "HEAD is now at 4f9aff4... Changing version number 3.0.5" 20:29 braedon|work oo, try "git fetch" 20:29 seneca git fetch tagname? 20:29 * braedon|work crosses fingers 20:29 seneca or just git fetch? 20:29 braedon|work um... 20:29 chris ahh 20:29 chris got it 20:29 seneca git fetch returned a line, no output 20:29 seneca think it worked? 20:29 chris git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05 20:30 chris will get you a local branch called 3.0.5 20:30 braedon|work chris: shouldn't need to 20:30 seneca is that the full checkout command I should run? 20:30 chris which is exactly at the point where v3.00.05 is 20:30 braedon|work there is a way to do it without a local branch 20:30 chris no fetch, pull or anything needed 20:30 chris yeah but a local branch is a lot safer/easier 20:30 ccurry still processing the log....i tried the steps that Henri-Damien sent out with the release of 3.0.5, along with the upgrade steps in INSTALL.debian and I never get a prompt to use the web-based installer....perhaps all I need to do is log out and log back in in the intranet? I can probably sort this out with the abundance of information that is stacked up in the current chat feed, just for... 20:30 ccurry ...me (how convenient). If I have trouble, I'll come back and ask. Thanks, seneca for having the same request as me. 20:30 chris if he does a git checkout something else now .. his branch will be gone 20:30 seneca ha! no prob 20:31 ccurry I'm running standard, by the way 20:31 chris but with a local branch it will stay there 20:31 seneca *confused* 20:31 braedon|work chris: true. 20:31 seneca *but waiting patiently* 20:31 ccurry I'm a newbie and I had trouble getting dev to work correctly, so I stuck with standard for now... 20:31 braedon|work seneca: try it chris's way, with the branch 20:31 seneca ok 20:32 seneca quick return 20:32 braedon|work ccurry: what is your current setup, and what do you want to move to, exactly? 20:32 seneca Switched to a new branch "3.0.5" 20:32 seneca no pull or fetch needed now? 20:32 chris nope 20:32 chris good to go 20:32 chris you just need to find the path to your install log 20:33 chris and run something like 20:33 chris perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log make make test sudo make upgrade 20:33 ccurry Well, I'm trying to set up a test server with the same version as my live server. 3.0.5 20:33 chris gah, those should be on different lines 20:33 chris perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log 20:33 ccurry The strange thing is that I ran sudo git checkout -b 3.0.x --track origin/3.0.x 20:33 chris make 20:33 chris sudo make upgrade 20:33 seneca do we know the name of the install log file? 20:33 ccurry but that gave me 3.0.4 for some weird reason. 20:33 chris it'll have install-log in it ;) 20:33 seneca got it, chris:) 20:34 chris i think it will be somewhere under /usr/share/koha 20:34 ccurry even though I used the same git command to get the stable branch when I installed my live server. 20:34 seneca heh 20:34 seneca might it be in the koha-dev fodler? 20:35 braedon|work seneca: should be in old kohaclone, i think.... 20:35 braedon|work open it when you find it 20:35 ccurry I thought I would use this opportunity to test an upgrade, but it has been a failed effort so far. 20:35 braedon|work and make sure it has variables filled 20:35 seneca looks good 20:35 chris in misc 20:35 chris is that where you found it? 20:35 seneca eah 20:36 seneca yeah 20:36 braedon|work ccurry: so you have a git dev install? 20:36 ccurry standard 20:36 chris cos i think the one in 20:36 chris blib/MISC_DIR/koha-install-log 20:36 chris is the better one 20:36 seneca hmm 20:36 chris take a look at them both, one will have proper info 20:36 braedon|work ccurry: ok, and what is saying it is 3.00.04? 20:36 chris the other will look like 20:36 chris KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=__KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION__ 20:37 chris (thats the wrong one) 20:37 seneca same info in both 20:37 braedon|work chris: there is usually one like that in koha-dev 20:37 ccurry oops 20:37 ccurry about.pl 20:38 chris seneca: can you paste one line (not the one with a password :)) 20:38 seneca so, just double checking, my next step should be to run the Makefile.pl, right? 20:38 seneca KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=3.00.05.003 20:38 seneca DB_NAME=koha 20:38 seneca etc 20:38 chris yep looks good 20:38 chris perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log 20:38 braedon|work ccurry: weird. not sure sorry 20:39 braedon|work ccurry: o, did you actually run an upgrade after the checkout? 20:39 seneca now make? 20:40 chris yep 20:40 braedon|work if you have a standard install, you need to actually install the new version - it is not linked in from your git repo 20:40 ccurry braedon|work: http://pastebin.com/wUpYe38d 20:40 ccurry that's all the commands I issued to upgrade 20:40 braedon|work seneca: when you get to it, try the make upgrade without sudo - should work, and saves permissions issues later 20:41 seneca ok - make test and make upgrade seemed to have worked 20:41 seneca nope - needed sudo 20:41 seneca got permission errors after a few successful lines 20:41 ccurry I tried make install (instead of make upgrade); still didn't work. 20:41 braedon|work seneca: really? weird 20:41 braedon|work seneca: check hte ownership of koha-dev 20:42 ccurry about.pl still tells me it's running 3.0.4 and no web installer runs when I log into the intranet. 20:42 braedon|work ccurry: sure you had the right install log? 20:42 chris yeah you need sudo unless you are running as the koha user 20:42 ccurry pretty sure 20:42 seneca drwxr-xr-x 8 koha koha 4096 2009-06-03 12:48 koha-dev 20:43 braedon|work seneca: and you are running as koha user? 20:43 seneca I'm running as koha 20:43 seneca doh! 20:43 seneca the permissions errors I got were all on release_notes 20:44 seneca think I should re-run it without the sudo? 20:44 ccurry braedon|work: "git checkout -b 3.0.x --track origin/3.0.x" should have given me 3.0.5, right? 20:44 braedon|work ccurry: nope, it will get you the dev branch of 3.0.x 20:44 chris ccurry: no, that will give you what is about to become 3.0.6 20:44 seneca wait, no they weren't - nevermind that 20:44 chris :) 20:44 ccurry ah 20:45 seneca when is 3.0.6 due? 20:45 braedon|work ccurry: git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05 20:46 chris seneca: there were a couple of little bugs, once they are sorted any day now 20:46 braedon|work seneca: just run as sudo 20:46 seneca cool 20:46 braedon|work but beware that you will need to chown some files to get zebra running 20:46 seneca should the steps I just took get me to 3.0.6 when the time comes? 20:46 ccurry braedon|work: awesome; since this is just a fresh test server, i'll just reinstall and deal with the upgrade issues later. 20:47 braedon|work seneca: you will need to checkout the 3.0.6 tag when it is created 20:47 braedon|work and then run the web installer on your first login after 20:47 schuster bug 2975 20:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2975 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Offline circ tries to circ on biblio-level "itemtype" 20:48 ccurry Thanks for all the help; this has been very fortuitous. 20:48 schuster I see a patch was sent is noted, but has it been accepted gmcharlt? 20:48 seneca hmm 20:48 seneca I'm getting some errors now: 20:48 seneca libraries.mvschool.com 20:49 chris seneca probably missng modules 20:49 chris ah no, thats a config error, check your koha-conf.xml file 20:49 chris does it have the right username and password? 20:49 seneca chris, I had a working system that I had manually upgraded before I just upgraded the git way, so I should have all my modules, I think 20:50 chris yeah check you koha-conf.xml file (in /etc/) 20:56 seneca well, I got rid of the kohaadmin password problem, but there's more... 20:57 chris oh yeah it looks like the koha-conf.xml is totally screwed up 20:57 chris i thought you had a standard install? not a dev one? 20:59 chris maybe your apache config is pointing to the wrong config file? 20:59 seneca no, dev from the VM - checking tags and syntax now... 20:59 chris oohh if you have a dev 20:59 chris install 20:59 chris there was totally no need to do the upgrade, since it runs out of your git checkout 21:00 chris you only do the upgrade on standard installs 21:00 braedon|work chris: he was getting back to using the correct dev install, after chnages 21:00 braedon|work upgrade should do it(did for me) 21:00 chris it might, but it's not going to consistently work 21:01 braedon|work it doesn't have it 21:01 braedon|work jsut onece 21:01 braedon|work then he can use git 21:01 chris no i mean for all people 21:01 braedon|work o, right 21:01 chris it might just bugger up the config file 21:02 chris seneca: does the rest of the file look right, does it have actual info in it? 21:02 chris if so, we just need to fix the tag issue 21:03 seneca yeah, it was just a tag issue 21:03 seneca tired eyes took some time to find it though. ;) 21:04 chris :) 21:04 seneca all better 21:04 seneca thanks to all for help 21:05 seneca this is why I love the open source community/ies and why I hope to one day know enough about Koha to give back some useful adive! 21:05 seneca er - advice 21:05 seneca I also hope to someday learn to type 21:06 seneca so, what part of all that I just did will be necessary for upgrades from here on out? 21:07 seneca the git stuff, I mean - not the fixing my own typos ;) 21:07 chris if you are running a dev install 21:07 chris just the git checkout bit 21:07 seneca which I am 21:07 seneca no make, etc? 21:07 chris nope 21:08 seneca so, just "git tag -l" to find the version I want to upgrade to 21:08 chris thats it 21:09 seneca which git checkout line, though 21:09 seneca git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05 < this one? 21:09 seneca or without the base? 21:11 braedon|work base? 21:11 chris yeah if you are running out of git, checking out a local branch is the safest 21:11 chris git fetch before the checkout tho 21:12 seneca sorr "-b" part 21:12 ccurry braedon|work: back for a quick confirmation: My live server version reports "3.00.05.001"; will git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05", which you recommended to me a few minutes ago, give me exactly the same koha as my live server or did I manage to get 3.05 + a few patches when I originally pulled 3.0.x from git? 21:12 chris before the tags even 21:12 seneca I meant branch :} 21:13 seneca so, just making sure: 21:13 braedon|work ccurry: 3.0.x has more patches, than 3.0.5, yes 21:13 seneca step 1: get fetch 21:13 seneca er -git 21:13 seneca step 2: git tags -l 21:13 ccurry braedon|work: so is there any way to grab exactly 3.00.05.001 or has that ship sailed? 21:14 seneca step 3: (in kohaclone) git checkout -b _BRANCH_ _TAGNAME_ 21:14 seneca and voila? 21:14 ccurry after checking out a tag in git, can you see this long version number before installing? 21:15 mdhafen ccurry: the version number is in the kohaversion.pl file 21:15 braedon|work ccurry: have to ask chris(or someone else who is lurking) about that i think 21:15 braedon|work like mdhafen! 21:15 ccurry thanks 21:15 mdhafen :) your welcome 21:16 seneca seems far too easy ;) 21:17 braedon|work seneca: are you planning on making any changes to the code? 21:18 seneca braedon|work: not planning on it 21:18 ccurry and btw, can anyone recommend good entry level documentation for using git with koha? I feel like I'm doing a lot of feeling around. I looked at the man pages, but there's a lot there and most of it is about committing changes to remote repositories and sharing patches, etc. I'd love to be doing that some day, but for now I just want to be able to efficiently navigate git and grab updates. 21:18 seneca why? 21:19 braedon|work seneca: if you do, you will need to rebase, rather than checking out to a new branch. 21:19 braedon|work actually, can you rebase off a tag? 21:19 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 21:19 seneca you and I are int he same boat, ccurry 21:20 mdhafen ccurry: git_usage braedon mentioned is good for usage. For navigating I like gitweb at http://git.koha.org/ 21:20 ccurry thanks; that should help. 21:20 mdhafen ccurry: Looks like there are some database changes between 3.0.5 and where 3.0.x is now. Might be to late to go back. 21:21 seneca braedon|work: what do you mean by rebase? 21:21 ccurry mdhafen: thanks for the heads up. I'm hoping it'll be close enough for testing. 21:22 braedon|work rebase basically tries to merge your changes with a new version of base code 21:22 ccurry I just wanted to get my test server as close to possible to a mirror 21:22 chris but without the merge ;) 21:22 braedon|work for example, git rebase origin/3.0.x will merge the current 3.0.x with your changes 21:22 chris what rebase does is rewind your repo back to the common point with what you are rebasing from 21:22 chris (not merge braedon|work ) 21:22 mdhafen braedon: if he's based on a tag will he even want to follow new code? 21:23 chris then it will replay the commits from the branch you are rebasing from, then replay your commits after 21:23 braedon|work chris: but what is the effective result? 21:23 chris quite different to a merge 21:23 chris rebase changes commit ids 21:23 braedon|work and will git rebase v3.00.05 work? 21:24 chris it will make a mess trying to rebase to an older version than you have checked out 21:24 seneca well, I will inquire about submitting changes I make when I actually make some changes;) 21:24 braedon|work chris: i know it is not a merge, but i was attempting to explain it in a simple manner 21:24 chris yeah, but it does a very different thing to a merge 21:25 chris so is slightly dangerous to call it that, because ppl will use it when they should merge 21:25 mdhafen ccurry: yeah, should be good for testing. Just know that 3.0.6 should be out soon (couple months?) 21:25 braedon|work chris: from the Koha docs: "Sometimes you'll be working on something on a branch that needs to be updated to the latest 'origin'. Running the following commands will grab all the changes since you last pulled and merge them with your current changes: " "git fetch 21:25 braedon|work $ git rebase origin" 21:25 chris yes 21:25 ccurry ok 21:25 chris that needs to be fixed 21:26 chris it doesnt merge them at all 21:26 chris git fetch 21:26 chris git merge 21:26 chris does (which is what git pull does by default) 21:26 wizzyrea oh plox update that 21:26 braedon|work yip 21:26 wizzyrea because I use it all the time :P 21:26 wizzyrea like, every day 21:26 chris now for koha we rebase because we send patches 21:27 chris BUT if you have a public branch, that someone has pulled from 21:27 braedon|work ok, so if you have a branch created from tag version, which you make changes to, and you want to upgrade it to a new tag version, which should/can you use? 21:27 chris and you rebase it, causig commit id's to change, and then that person pulls from you again ... you make a huge mess of their repo 21:27 chris so you should never rebase on a branch that someone has pulled from 21:28 chris whereas a merge is safe 21:28 chris braedon|work: id merge 21:29 braedon|work ok, good to know 21:29 chris but with git you have a ton of options 21:29 chris you could checkout the new tag 21:29 chris and then cherry-pick your commits over 21:29 braedon|work yipyip 21:30 * braedon|work better get back to work... 21:31 ccurry I'm getting the following error wen executing "sudo git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05" on a virtualbox vid that has a "myinstall origin" branch on it already: fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing; Did you intend to checkout 'v3.00.05' which can not be resolved as commit? do I need to delete "myinstall" first? 21:32 ccurry it's a vid I created, following all the steps of INSTALL.deb up to the perl Makefile.pl step. 21:33 mdhafen I think there is more potential for a merge conflict when pulling from a branch that has used merge. But it's usually more convenient than having to recreate the link after they have rebased. 21:34 mdhafen ccurry: I think that error is because you have changed a file there. Git doesn't want to loose the change, so you have to either commit the change so git knows about it, or revert the change so it goes away 21:34 ccurry ah...maybe I ran the makefile.pl 21:34 ccurry how can i revert the changes? 21:35 mdhafen ccurry: I think the command is `git revert --hard HEAD` 21:35 ccurry I tried git status and got: "nothing to commit (working directory clean)" 21:35 mdhafen ccurry: ah, then I must be mistaken 21:36 ccurry I also tried "sudo git-branch myinstall -d" and the following is shouted at me "error: Cannot delete the branch 'myinstall' which you are currently on." 21:36 ccurry oy 21:36 ccurry can I move out of the branch somehow and delete it? 21:37 mdhafen ccurry: yeah, can't delete the branch you are on. 21:37 mdhafen ccurry: I think the v in v3.0.5 is supposed to be upper case 21:37 ccurry ah...I'll try that. 21:38 braedon|work as in the tag name? 21:38 ccurry same error 21:38 braedon|work it is lowercase 21:38 braedon|work why are you sudoing btw? 21:38 ccurry yep 21:39 braedon|work git should be managed by one user - shouldn't need to sudo 21:39 braedon|work probably not related... 21:40 ccurry hmm; I get errors when I don't sudo; perhaps that's my problem. I think I used another user when I set this vid up. 21:40 braedon|work what is the owner of the kohaclone folder? 21:40 braedon|work (and contents( 21:41 ccurry i'll check 21:42 ccurry oops: root; I guess I did it with root originally. 21:42 ccurry in my earlier, wilder days. 21:42 braedon|work ok, so the sodo probably isn't the issue then 21:43 braedon|work but probably best to chown it to someone, and not use sudo 21:43 ccurry I get the same error as root 21:44 mdhafen ccurry: maybe splitting the command into it's components would reveal the source of the error. try first `git branch 3.0.5 v3.00.05` then `git checkout 3.0.5` and see where the error is. 21:44 braedon|work have you run a git fetch? 21:44 schuster Just realized the default for syspref insecure (modified) - is set to Allow....??? even though it says you shouldn't do that? 21:45 mdhafen schuster: is it! that doesn't seem right to me. 21:45 ccurry i did forget to fetch 21:45 ccurry doing so now 21:45 braedon|work that could be it apparently 21:45 braedon|work git doesn't know about the branch 21:46 mdhafen schuster: which branch are you looking at? 21:46 ccurry makes sense; it didn't exist when I set up this vid, so how could it. thanks for talking me through it. 21:46 braedon|work thank google and stackoverflow :p http://stackoverflow.com/questions/945654/git-checkout-on-a-remote-branch-does-not-work 21:46 schuster I'm running against the current HEAD as of 2 days ago. 21:51 mdhafen schuster: I'm looking at the sysprefs.sql in the installer/mysql/en/mandatory, and it's set to 0 there? Where are you looking? 21:54 schuster Well I don't know the unders I was looking at it and it said Allow so I changed it to Don't Allow. 21:57 schuster hmmm when I change it to "dont allow" I get an error that it can't be saved. 21:57 schuster well that would make sense as I'm not actually logged in! 21:58 wizzyrea oh, schuster 21:58 wizzyrea you probably need to install JSON 21:58 wizzyrea I think I did cpan -i JSON 21:58 wizzyrea but these fine folks probalby know what the debian package is 21:58 mdhafen schuster: if insecure is set you probably don't need to be logged in. 21:59 mdhafen debian package should be something like libjson-perl 21:59 wizzyrea mdhafen++ 21:59 seneca thanks again to all who helped, gotta run 21:59 wizzyrea later seneca 22:00 wizzyrea in that case you could apt-get install libjson-perl 22:02 schuster hmmm libjson-perl isn't in the dependancies 22:04 schuster I'm still concerned about how to get all of those "required" pieces into the install. The apt-get magick piece still isn't automatic and several others are not listed. I hesitate to edit the document, but guess that's what the RM is for to make sure I do it right? 22:05 wizzyrea bug 4151 22:05 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading 22:05 wizzyrea it's listed there :P 22:05 gmcharlt yep 22:05 wizzyrea add anything new you find 22:06 schuster OK as long as someone edits it before the next "beta" release? I was still working off of the HEAD alpha instructions. 22:08 wizzyrea it = ? 22:13 brendan @wunder ashevill, nc 22:13 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 22:13 brendan @wunder asheville, nc 22:14 munin brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.4�C (5:13 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am EST Friday... 22:14 schuster wizzyrea ya lost me? 22:14 schuster OOO afternoon weather report 22:14 schuster @wunder 75074 22:14 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 10.6�C (4:00 PM CST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling). 22:15 schuster Well off to the family... see ya all tomorrow! Hopefully I will be able to do more 3.2 testing. I'm going to pull head again tonight. 22:15 wizzyrea what is the it that needs updating? 22:15 wizzyrea you lost me first ;) 22:15 schuster INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions 22:15 wizzyrea OH 22:16 wizzyrea ok, yea, I've been poking at those 22:16 schuster Doesn't have all the dependancies etc... 22:16 wizzyrea with gmcharlt's guidance/help it'll get done 22:16 wizzyrea and 4151 22:16 wizzyrea bug 4151 22:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading 22:16 wizzyrea :) 22:17 schuster All I know is trying to install 3.004, 3.005 was a bugger and I never got it quite right there was something always missing. 22:17 wizzyrea there are lots of dependencies :/ 22:18 wizzyrea the only two I had trouble with were libjson and something about snowball :P 22:18 schuster I have discovered it makes a difference on which Mirror you setup your debian from - it shouldn't but it has made a world of difference with the ...Simple dependancy for labels. 22:18 schuster Did you do a fresh debian install or just a new install of koha? 22:19 wizzyrea this last time it was on a pristine debian netinstall 22:19 schuster I had 4 items the Magick thing that I had to apt-get, and 3 others that I have noted on that laptop. I'll make sure they are on your log. 22:20 wizzyrea ty kindly :) 22:20 wizzyrea oh yea the magick stuff 22:20 wizzyrea not sure I even have that on mine, but I don't use pics 22:20 wizzyrea so makes sense that you would trip up on it 22:21 schuster by for now... 22:21 wizzyrea bye! 22:35 mdhafen I need some help with Internet Explorer. I'm trying to get an object tag sourcing an .ogg file to play automatically. 22:36 mdhafen I've got the classid of media player set, and the vorbis codec installed, and autostart in the params, but no luck. 22:41 mdhafen any suggestions? 22:44 * wizzyrea uses firefox/chrome on the mac, sorry :( 22:44 chris chromium on linux here 22:45 chris again no help 22:45 mdhafen I'm trying to find an alternative to the audio tag, which I expect chromium supports. Thanks anyway 22:47 mdhafen it's not easy for me, I use linux too. My librarians though... but that's another story :) 22:50 wizzyrea :) 22:52 chris is the page viewable on the web? 22:53 chris i could ask the html dudes at work 22:54 mdhafen it isn't really right now. It's based on a patch I send to the patches list. I've already changed that though because IE doesn't like new lines in a quote. 22:55 mdhafen There is a url that might be accessible though. I'll have to update that code. it's koha-dev.washk12.org/stuff/html5_audio_text.html 22:55 mdhafen if you can get to that I'll fix it. 22:57 chris ill look 22:59 mdhafen I modified it anyway :) 22:59 chris doesnt look like i can get to it 23:00 mdhafen oh well. 23:00 mdhafen how about I paste the code here? could you pass it to them? 23:09 Genji hiya all 23:09 Genji my $val = Encode::decode_utf8($value); 23:09 Genji print "$val\n"; 23:09 Genji its still gives wide character in print error. 23:09 gmcharlt Genji: binmode STDOUT, ":utf8" 23:10 gmcharlt is the missing bit 23:11 Genji yay. 23:13 Genji why im doing this, is because zebra is indexing marcfield 653 subjects - phrases, by words, and not total string.. even though 'melm 653 subjects:p' 23:15 Genji so im having to loop through all the db, getting all the subjects, and their occurances, by hand.