Time  Nick        Message
23:01 gmcharlt    good night
23:01 hdl_laptop  good night folks
22:57 hdl_laptop  thanks
22:52 brendan     atz was telling me that your presentation last year ( hdl_laptop ) was awesome
22:50 chris       :)
22:50 gmcharlt    I'm looking forward to NZ
22:50 gmcharlt    we missed you
22:50 hdl_laptop  would have been great to be there
22:49 brendan     was great to see atz
22:49 brendan     hdl_laptop: atz was there too
22:49 brendan     gmcharlt++
22:49 gmcharlt    hdl_laptop: yep, I managed to get enough coffee in me yesterday morning ;)
22:49 gmcharlt    sekjall++
22:49 hdl_laptop  gmcharlt: I know he is bright at presenting ;)
22:49 gmcharlt    brendan++
22:48 brendan     kudos also go to gmcharlt and sekjal
22:48 brendan     thanks
22:48 brendan     hi hdl_laptop
22:47 hdl_laptop  hi brendan... Congrats for your presentation
22:38 moodaepo    Nice. Too bad couldn't make it this year, next year!
22:37 brendan     had a good mix of people
22:37 brendan     it went very well
22:36 moodaepo    How did your presentation go?
22:35 moodaepo    brendan: Ahoy
22:35 munin       brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (2:32 PM PST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Falling).
22:35 brendan     @wunder 93117
22:35 munin       brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is 2.1�C (5:34 PM EST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Rising).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 6 PM EST Wednesday...
22:35 brendan     @wunder asheville, NC
22:34 brendan     hi moodaepo
22:32 munin       moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -12.3�C (4:31 PM CST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -23.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
22:32 moodaepo    @wunder 56001
21:49 sekjal      time to pack it up for the evening.  cheers, #koha
21:48 cait        good night #koha
21:33 richard     /invite chris (or whoever you choose)
21:33 richard     and then
21:32 richard     /join #lee (or whatever you choose)
21:32 richard     i'd open a new channel and invite who you wanted to chat with
21:32 Lee         ok
21:32 Lee         [off] suggestions?
21:31 brendan     chris++
21:31 brendan     [off] like that
21:31 chris       its best to use a different channel, to easy to miss the off
21:31 chris       no
21:31 brendan     but you're right probly best not to chat here
21:31 chris       or just make a new # and chat there
21:31 Lee         off like this
21:31 chris       at the start of a message
21:31 brendan     you can if you use [off]
21:30 Lee         well then I cant chat here
21:30 chris       http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-02-23#i_399001
21:30 chris       but this is all publicly logged
21:30 chris       not for nearly a year no
21:30 Lee         yeah
21:30 chris       ferraro?
21:29 Lee         so does Josh lurk here?
20:57 brendan     :)
20:57 brendan     I see the license police coming after me
20:57 nengard     i like the editor i'm using :)
20:56 nengard     hehe
20:56 brendan     whoops should have offed that one
20:56 brendan     yeah thinking of someway that we could share it
20:55 nengard     wow! cool - congrats
20:55 nengard     oxygen is very very very expensive - I use a free XML editor :) but I used oxygen when I was a metadata librarian
20:55 brendan     a key for downloading oxygen
20:55 nengard     brendan - a book on oxygen? or oxygen itself?
20:54 nengard     nicole ... what??
20:54 sekjal      still have to gather up more CC images to make it pretty
20:53 chris       ah cool
20:53 sekjal      10:55 local time
20:53 sekjal      tomorrow morning
20:53 chris       when is your talk sekjal ?
20:52 sekjal      nice choice, brendan.
20:52 brendan     yeah maybe nicole could get some from it too
20:52 chris       ive heard good things about that
20:52 brendan     I went with the oxygen xml editor
20:50 liz-nekls   !!
20:50 chris       whatcha get?
20:50 chris       w00t
20:50 sekjal      and brendan wins a prize!
20:46 sekjal      atz++, indeed
20:45 chris       he's a good man
20:45 brendan     atz++ gets some here too
20:44 brendan     yup
20:44 chris       he called some vendors out huh?
20:44 chris       heh, yeah seeing lots of atz++
20:44 sekjal      atz "mystery meat" lightning talk... very illuminating
20:29 gmcharlt    so it actually means adding *another* if :)
20:27 chris       ah right you are
20:27 gmcharlt    not necessarily - if you're doing auth_by_bind and *not* replicating, don't need the extra call
20:19 chris       and if we are gonna repeat the $search_method call, lets shift it out of the if else
20:18 chris       i dont like it
20:18 chris       yeah
20:18 gmcharlt    make it blithely process along if the user didn't specify a mapping section in the LDAP config
20:18 chris       so he's taken a die out
20:17 * chris     eyeballs the patch
20:17 chris       *nod*
20:17 gmcharlt    that kind of blanket assertion is ... questionable
20:16 chris       yeah
20:16 gmcharlt    worries me
20:16 gmcharlt    "
20:16 gmcharlt    sure that code as-is works for anyone).
20:16 gmcharlt    ... "along with fix for mungling of mapping (I'm not quite
20:16 chris       just a fyi so the patch doesnt get missed, if you want i can try the patch out and send it on to the list?
20:15 chris       has a patch attached, but not sent to the list
20:15 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4256 blocker, P5, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, auth_by_bind doesn't fetch user LDAP entry breaking replicate
20:15 chris       gmcharlt: bug 4256
20:11 chris       git rules
20:11 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_ et al.: please pull from the holds branch of git://git.librarypolice.com/git/koha-galen.git and try again
20:10 cait        chris: thx for explaining :)
20:09 chris       so its a single thread essentially, which means everythign has to wait
20:08 chris       python doesnt do threading very well
20:08 cait        ah, now I got to the home page :)
20:08 cait        ok, will wait for pootle to figure it out
20:08 chris       s
20:08 chris       and it makes pootle spin working out all the change
20:07 chris       cait: someone keeps uploading .po files
20:07 gmcharlt    two calls to _FixPriority have been broken for rather a long time
20:07 * gmcharlt  slaps forehead
20:06 cait        hm, pootle is loaaading...
19:58 owen        gone
19:57 chris       back
19:57 * brendan   goes to rewatch
19:57 brendan     I think I spent more time watching that then watching the vdieo
19:57 wizzyrea_   ok, afk a bit heading home, but will be back
19:57 brendan     ah
19:56 brendan     googles
19:56 wizzyrea_   quassel
19:56 brendan     for wizzyrea_
19:56 brendan     what's that icon in the dock that spends the whole  time bouncing?
19:56 wizzyrea_   i like the moving videos because then you can see exactly what I did
19:53 wizzyrea_   this one shows the wierdness associated with clearing the cache
19:53 wizzyrea_   brendan did you see this screencap: http://screencast.com/t/MjEzM2Q4
19:47 gmcharlt    I've set it as a blocker for now
19:46 wizzyrea_   well I think it's sufficently apt to happen that it is warranted to do so
19:46 wizzyrea_   k
19:46 brendan     or even change the setting to blocker
19:45 brendan     wizzyrea_ add any comments to that
19:45 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4201 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers
19:45 brendan     bug 4201
19:42 wizzyrea_   now for something completely different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFNG-sxLnM8&feature=player_embedded
19:41 wizzyrea_   ok good then I'm not nuts
19:40 brendan     I get similar results from the same setup
19:40 wizzyrea_   so you do or don't get the same results as me, brendan
19:38 brendan     heh
19:38 * brendan   too
19:32 wizzyrea_   well crap that's the same as what I'm using
19:31 brendan     :)
19:31 brendan     peeking - looks to be firefox os X
19:31 brendan     gmcharlt stepped out for a minute
19:28 wizzyrea_   for testing?
19:28 wizzyrea_   gmcharlt: you using some flavor of linux + firefox?
19:27 gmcharlt    and have it calculate the correct priority on the fly
19:27 gmcharlt    I'm going to noodle around with having reserve/placerequest.pl *not* accept what the browser passes as the priority
19:27 sekjal      more work than just finding the root of the problem, probably
19:26 gmcharlt    and would break rather a lot of other stuff
19:26 gmcharlt    no, too drastic
19:24 sekjal      perhaps a syspref to disable priority as a concept.... just prioritize by date.  that'd work for a lot of libraries, wouldn't it?  until this can get fixed
19:24 wizzyrea_   if we can actually prove it's broken
19:24 wizzyrea_   it would be better if it were fixed though
19:24 wizzyrea_   lol yea
19:23 brendan     I'd reply - quick smoking stuff then
19:23 brendan     heh -- that came out funny
19:23 brendan     yeah true -- it's just if patrons are looking at their priority they may ask why am I so high?
19:23 wizzyrea_   sh. I'm being quiet now
19:22 wizzyrea_   at least not for us
19:22 wizzyrea_   tbh, the priority list isn't that important as long as they're going to the right person in the right order
19:21 wizzyrea_   lol in an ironic looking for a cliff to leap off of kind of way
19:21 wizzyrea_   lol
19:21 wizzyrea_   maybe it's just me then
19:21 wizzyrea_   well
19:21 wizzyrea_   ok
19:21 wizzyrea_   !!
19:20 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: hmm - it stopped failing for me
19:19 wizzyrea_   which would be infuriating for all involved
19:19 wizzyrea_   because maybe mine's just messed up
19:18 wizzyrea_   does yours behave differently?
19:14 wizzyrea_   nope :( http://screencast.com/t/ZmZiMzliNG
19:13 wizzyrea_   yep sec
19:12 brendan     Wizzyrea_ can you try and del that hold from the opac and see if all the priorities go back in line
19:12 brendan     hmm.. so we've got wackiness when you change the location, wackiness when someone just places a regular hold...
19:12 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/Y2IwMTBjY
19:11 wizzyrea_   brendan, I got the same thing from the OPAC (this is from ages ago) changing the pickup location mucked it up
19:08 wizzyrea_   bad!
19:08 wizzyrea_   lol I"m going to KKK11!
19:08 brendan     ewh - to many k's in a row
19:08 wizzyrea_   oh lordy
19:08 brendan     KanKohaKon11
19:07 wizzyrea_   hehe
19:06 schuster    I like this one for the Kan comments - KanKoha...;)
18:45 chris       bbiab
18:44 chris       right bus time
18:41 seneca      oh, thanks chris
18:41 chris       a left join, and then find the nulls
18:41 seneca      I'm sure I can grock together the SQL command from that info
18:41 chris       i may have just written that in postgres syntax not mysql, but you get the drift
18:41 chris       seneca: select biblio.biblionumber,biblio.title from biblio left join items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber where items.itemnumber is null;
18:41 seneca      very good to know
18:40 jwagner     biblionumber is the linking field between biblio, biblioitems, and items.
18:40 seneca      ok, biblionumber is what I'm looking for, though, eh. Cool, that's a good first step. Thanks!
18:39 jwagner     seneca, I don't know the SQL, but I'll bet someone else does.  Basically, you want to select everything from biblio table where biblionumber is not contained in biblioitems or items.
18:39 seneca      jwagner: I'm kinda looking around the database now and nothing's jumping out at me yet - is there a way to do a search for such items in the staff client?
18:39 wizzyrea_   ya, sec
18:39 gmcharlt    I've tried it both ways
18:38 wizzyrea_   gmcharlt: on the first one you try or subsequent holds?
18:38 seneca      yep
18:38 jwagner     seneca, you're looking for titles with no items attached?
18:37 wizzyrea_   is there something terribly wrong there?
18:37 wizzyrea_   here are my holds prefs
18:37 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/YzJjNzBjYjY
18:36 gmcharlt    heh
18:36 wizzyrea_   !!
18:36 brendan     oh man wizzyrea_ way to add more to it :)
18:36 wizzyrea_   no way!
18:36 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: still can't reproduce :(
18:36 seneca      Anyone know where/what I would look for in the mysql database to find all those records with no items and delete them all there?
18:35 wizzyrea_   after reorganizing the priorities
18:35 seneca      (I think the old system didn't REALLY delete things when it said it did)
18:35 wizzyrea_   when I changed my pickup location
18:35 wizzyrea_   brendan: I haven't actually gotten my OPAC hold to show up at all in the staff side
18:35 seneca      Having imported most of my records from another system, I've got many records for items that no longer exist in the library
18:34 seneca      Greetings all!
18:30 wizzyrea_   It's like Speed Matching
18:30 brendan     second dirty thing said today
18:30 * owen      mutters, "Filthy data, we hates it"
18:29 sekjal      on to Matching Dirty Data
18:28 wizzyrea_   Kan we not Kan anymore?
18:28 wizzyrea_   KanFind
18:28 chris       sekjal: ah yeah that would be an interesting one
18:28 wizzyrea_   KanEd
18:28 wizzyrea_   KanGuard
18:28 wizzyrea_   man, you should live in kansas... everything is Kan(insert here)
18:27 owen        I don't have time to say whole words!!!
18:27 wizzyrea_   j/k j/k
18:27 wizzyrea_   shortened to XCat, of course. Librarians love their acronyms.
18:26 sekjal      hey, chris. currently listening to eXtensible Catalog talk.  very interesting
18:25 wizzyrea_   was better than what you would have gotten, something off of my "chill" soundtrack
18:25 brendan     but I'm interested in the next talk
18:24 brendan     good been spending more time here then listening
18:24 chris       hiya brendan, hows code4lib going
18:24 brendan     morning chris
18:24 wizzyrea_   pft
18:23 owen        wizzyrea_: I give you high marks for the video, but the soundtrack was lacking.
18:23 wizzyrea_   I tell you, he is having an existential crisis
18:23 munin       wizzyrea_: Error: "be" is not a valid command.
18:23 wizzyrea_   @ be
18:20 schuster    let me at it, me an munin are buds ya know I can drive him mad...
18:20 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/NWU1MDMy
18:20 wizzyrea_   it's when it prompts you that "logged in location is different from home location"
18:20 wizzyrea_   I got it!
18:19 * gmcharlt  prepares some popcorn
18:18 wizzyrea_   moving video!
18:18 wizzyrea_   1s
18:18 wizzyrea_   I will screencast it for you
18:18 wizzyrea_   interesting, because I can do it every time
18:18 wizzyrea_   lol
18:18 chris       http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
18:17 chris       wizzyrea_: you are closing in on 10,000 lines in irc .. don't stop now :)
18:17 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: alas, light dims - I'm not able to reproduce the priority changing when I changing the pickup location from the staff bib details page
18:12 wizzyrea_   now*
18:12 wizzyrea_   christ. I will stop talking onw
18:12 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4234 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Automatic transfer shouldn't take precedence over a hold transit
18:12 wizzyrea_   bug 4234
18:12 wizzyrea_   I was thinking of 4234
18:11 wizzyrea_   my brain is awash I'm not sure how you keep it all straight
18:11 wizzyrea_   no, that's not the one I was thinking of >.<
18:11 wizzyrea_   er
18:10 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3595 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold
18:10 brendan     bug 3595
18:10 wizzyrea_   and it's confusing
18:10 wizzyrea_   gmcharlt re 3595, a syspref that controls which message shows up re: transits would be good, because right now it shows both
18:09 gmcharlt    hmm - may need to add a reserves.id for 3.2, then, to avoid that kind of change
18:08 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: light dawns
18:03 brendan     any overdue luck?
18:03 brendan     hi nelsonf
18:03 gmcharlt    but I'll cobble up yet another syspref :)
18:03 gmcharlt    as some libraries need the hold_fill_targets to take precedence to minimize transits
18:02 wizzyrea_   always, lol
18:02 gmcharlt    it's more complicated
18:02 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: re 3595 - not yet
18:01 wizzyrea_   okies, gimme a sec
18:00 brendan     just adjust the priorities so they are all normal
18:00 wizzyrea_   normal = delete all the holds?
17:59 brendan     I've done that and that knocks it out of wack too
17:59 brendan     ok set it all back to normal and place a hold for that patron from the opac
17:59 wizzyrea_   let me do it again...
17:59 wizzyrea_   CHANGED THE PICKUP LOCATION, and the ones I changed the pickup location for all are priority 1
17:59 wizzyrea_   placed a hold on the normal holds tab
17:58 wizzyrea_   What I did:
17:58 wizzyrea_   brendan: I just made it happen!
17:57 nengard     be back
17:57 nengard     time for lunch
17:57 * tekonivel calls it a day
17:57 tekonivel   there's /nooo/ way to translate "at" from english to finnish....
17:56 wizzyrea_   blerg, I must not be creative enough to make this stuff die. Or I follow the rules too well.
17:55 nengard     it was a question I got while training today - never thought about asking :)
17:54 nengard     goofy boy
17:53 wizzyrea_   so cute and tiny!
17:53 brendan     they create little codabar-39's
17:53 wizzyrea_   i know lol
17:52 wizzyrea_   well, when a codabar and a UPC-E really love each other...
17:52 * brendan   kind of humour
17:52 brendan     that was for all :)
17:52 * wizzyrea_ reminds brendan that nothing in #koha is secret
17:51 brendan     of course the barcodes come from the barcode stork
17:51 * brendan   secretly wants to answer nengard's barcode question with "well nengard it's time for the barcode stork conversation"
17:51 * tekonivel woders what is an "aperture card"
17:46 schuster    In looking at opac-reserve.tmpl - activating the copy list is forced by an "on click"...
17:46 schuster    If I wanted to force copy specific holds - ...  rather than bib level where should I start?
17:38 tekonivel   long day
17:38 tekonivel   after that there's some reading and emails to do
17:38 tekonivel   some more translation... i'm trying to work up to 50% today
17:31 wizzyrea_   a preferences export
17:31 wizzyrea_   you know what would be super helpful
17:30 wizzyrea_   i may be crazy but it doesn't seem like it's broken anymore... will have to check again.
17:30 nengard     you can always tell when i'm doing training - those are the days i enter 100 bugs ;(
17:29 wizzyrea_   gmcharlt did you fix 3595? was that part of the stuff you did over the weekend?
17:15 wizzyrea_   nope, just me
17:14 gmcharlt    it'll be easier on us poor programmers :)
17:14 wizzyrea_   except for the initial wtf of why did henry get it and not sharon
17:14 wizzyrea_   xmas in the big house is working perfectly though
17:14 wizzyrea_   i'm trying to lol
17:13 gmcharlt    the reason I'm asking is if (for completely new holds) is if you can reproduce all by yourself
17:13 brendan     nope
17:13 wizzyrea_   ...you don't suppose it is caused by using a single sign on
17:12 wizzyrea_   if I can't reproduce it I'll give you all logins and permission to go to town ;)
17:12 gmcharlt    ok
17:12 wizzyrea_   at the same time
17:12 wizzyrea_   at the moment, and yes, friday we had 3 people doing stuff
17:11 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: one thing about your testing - are you the only one actively working with holds in your test database?
17:07 wizzyrea_   on the brightside: http://screencast.com/t/ZDBjMzEzYW
17:07 sekjal      mmmm, Code4Lunch
17:02 wizzyrea_   it is probably related somehow
17:01 wizzyrea_   well, all of it really
17:01 munin       04Bug 3595: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold
17:01 wizzyrea_   part of bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3595
16:59 wizzyrea_   then it goes back to one
16:59 wizzyrea_   there's a weird thing where if you ignore the hold for 1 priority, the next time the item is seen it goes to #2, while #1 is still technically #1
16:59 sekjal      ah.  that seems a little more plausible, given the increased complexity
16:59 gmcharlt    transiting => bad priorities, perhaps?
16:59 wizzyrea_   filling and moving, possibly ignoring holds
16:58 wizzyrea_   that the problem happens in the process of moving items about
16:58 sekjal      wizzyrea_: which might be the case (former or latter)?
16:58 wizzyrea_   but I haven't reproduced it yet
16:58 wizzyrea_   but I've seen something at some point that suggests that might be the case
16:58 wizzyrea_   i'm not sure why yet
16:57 wizzyrea_   I actually suspect that, sekjal
16:57 sekjal      are the holds priorities going weird when the hold is placed, or when someone else's hold is fulfilled?
16:56 wizzyrea_   right, bibs vs items
16:55 gmcharlt    it will fall back to filling that request
16:55 gmcharlt    but if item not being checked in isn't specifically target to a hold request, but can fill it
16:54 gmcharlt    hold fill target is checked first - if an item is allocated for a specific hold, it's supposed to be used/tranisted to fill that hold
16:54 gmcharlt    when items are pulled
16:54 gmcharlt    build_holds_queue generates picklist and current hold fill target map
16:53 gmcharlt    and the current hold fill target is taken into count
16:53 wizzyrea_   which in turn influences the placement, albeit indirectly
16:51 gmcharlt    right - they influence the picklist
16:50 wizzyrea_   er, I guess what you're telling me is that all item placements are triggered by checkin
16:50 wizzyrea_   ?
16:50 wizzyrea_   so an item placement triggered by checkin doesn't follow those rules
16:50 gmcharlt    and (for the randomize setting) to mix the order up
16:49 gmcharlt    to specify which libraries are preferred sources of items to fill hold requests
16:48 gmcharlt    they're used only by the holds queue cronjob
16:48 wizzyrea_   we've always been a bit fuzzy about how that works
16:47 wizzyrea_   I wonder about StaticHoldsQueueWeight and RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight
16:46 wizzyrea_   here's the holds policy: http://screencast.com/t/YzJjNzBjYjY
16:41 gmcharlt    yeah - a summary at the end would be good - also need the state of all of the holds sysprefs
16:41 sekjal      right
16:41 wizzyrea_   b/c I don't want to spam
16:40 wizzyrea_   not in this channel though >.>
16:40 sekjal      cool
16:40 wizzyrea_   yea, I'm trying to document every step
16:40 sekjal      which will point to code, etc.
16:40 sekjal      it seems to me that the first trick is to figure out when the priority value is being mis-assigned, from a workflow process level
16:38 wizzyrea_   from the ones I've done today
16:38 wizzyrea_   the ordered screengrabs are in #kohakansas (just keeping my thoughts in order there)
16:38 wizzyrea_   no, some of them are from last friday, I'm working one from today
16:38 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: are all of the hold requests we're looking at news ones that you created for testing today?
16:37 gmcharlt    er, round and round we go
16:37 sekjal      gmcharlt: right, no calculation in the display.  But priority has to be figured out somewhere... perhaps the initial assignment is erroroneous
16:35 gmcharlt    sekjal: it's taking priority directly from reserves.priority, it's not attemping a calculation
16:34 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/YTk3ZDc3MT
16:34 wizzyrea_   here's casey's holds priority
16:33 sekjal      wizzyrea_: it's super neat, and mega helpful
16:33 wizzyrea_   I love screencast. it's so fast.
16:32 sekjal      wizzyrea_: it's looking like that, yes.  perhaps somehow the total number of holds is getting put into the priority field...
16:32 gmcharlt    heh
16:32 wizzyrea_   premature paste :P
16:32 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/YzVjMDJiNjE
16:32 wizzyrea_   sry
16:32 wizzyrea_   er
16:32 gmcharlt    ? same as the previous screenshot
16:32 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/NzU3YzIxZm
16:32 wizzyrea_   dogsong
16:31 gmcharlt    assuming, of course, that there are actually that many requests on that title
16:31 gmcharlt    so in theory could be 16th in line for dogsong
16:31 wizzyrea_   i mean, the erroneous numbers
16:31 gmcharlt    priority is per hold request
16:30 wizzyrea_   you can see the one is waiting
16:30 wizzyrea_   the numbers must be based on the max number of holds in the system
16:30 wizzyrea_   there are several with this patron that have gone funny
16:30 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/NzU3YzIxZm
16:29 brendan     or you can click on the name and it will show you the priority number listed under the patron's holds
16:29 brendan     you can see them in teh database
16:28 brendan     before you move that one around can you look at the priorities for both of those one's listed as 1
16:28 gmcharlt    how are you getting to that point?
16:28 gmcharlt    having two requests as priority one is an issue
16:28 brendan     wizzyrea that first screen shot with priority's listed as 3, 1, 1 is what we are seeing
16:27 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/OTQ2M2E2YmIt
16:26 kf          bye :)
16:26 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/M2YxMzk2
16:26 wizzyrea_   these are a set: http://screencast.com/t/ZTBjNzlk
16:20 wizzyrea_   :D
16:20 * gmcharlt  is preaching to the choir, of course
16:20 gmcharlt    if you can go through a sequence of creating a number of holds that result in a glitch, then repeat it, that would be golden
16:19 wizzyrea_   yea, I'm in process of doing that
16:19 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: tracing the process would help
16:17 sekjal      for this holds priority issue: can we tell if it happens when placing multiple holds at once, only when holds are done singly, or in both cases?
16:13 wajasu      My distribution's package manager pacman complains about the conflict and stops the install.  I may have to "force" it to overwrite.
16:11 wajasu      They are different.
16:10 wajasu      i'm trying to install a perl module HTTP:OAI and it depends on XML::SAX::Base.  But I already have XML::LibXML installed which depends on XML::SAX.  Both contain /usr/lshare/perl5/vendor/XML/SAX/Base.pm.
16:04 sekjal      that probably doesn't mean much, but every little bit of data helps!
16:03 wizzyrea_   no, I don't
16:03 sekjal      wizzyrea_: and I assume you don't have any holds with priority > 75
16:03 wizzyrea_   yes
16:03 gmcharlt    *bits
16:03 gmcharlt    wizzyrea_: to confirm, the bibs you're testing from my holds bugfix branch?
16:03 wizzyrea_   re:holds
16:03 wizzyrea_   3.01.00.124 (and this has some of gmcharlt's newest stuff on it, too)
16:02 wizzyrea_   in this system, probably fewer than 75 total
16:02 wizzyrea_   then, a centervill item went to the 1st centerville patron (listed 1)
16:01 sekjal      wizzyrea_: how many holds do you have in your system all told?  and what version of the code are you running?
16:00 wizzyrea_   because I just checked in a springfield book and it went priority 1 (incorrectly) to a springfield patron
16:00 wizzyrea_   or is there a pref that does that?
15:59 wizzyrea_   it's not matching item home location to patron home location above all else is it?
15:59 wizzyrea_   hm
15:59 gmcharlt    we're listening to rsinger, so we have an excuse for not actually talking too each other right now ;)
15:58 wizzyrea_   hee
15:58 gmcharlt    hi brendan
15:58 brendan     hi gmcharlt
15:58 brendan     funny things is I am sitting right next to gmcharlt
15:57 brendan     from tracing through things right now..  not finding any issues on _Fixpriority
15:57 gmcharlt    (or if it is, that's a bug, at least the way it's designed to operate now)
15:57 gmcharlt    the holds queue job doesn't change hold priorities
15:54 brendan     ok thanks
15:54 wizzyrea_   but I also probably don't have more than 100 holds on this system
15:53 wizzyrea_   I don't have any of those
15:53 brendan     wizzyrea, select distinct biblionumber from reserves where priority > '100';
15:53 wizzyrea_   well I'm trying to test if the hold queue job puts them right again
15:52 gmcharlt    yea, I don't think we've nailed down exactly when it is occurring
15:50 owen        I know brendan has been looking into it for us but I don't know how much progress he has made
15:50 owen        That's what I expect to see on those titles with multiple number ones. I was seeing priorities like "1, 2, 435, 736, 1203"
15:49 wizzyrea_   (we dont have a lot going on, this is totally test data)
15:48 wizzyrea_   like, 12, 14, 16
15:48 wizzyrea_   hm, what am I looking for? I have some weirdly high ones on titles that only have a couple of holds
15:45 wizzyrea_   idk, lemme look
15:45 owen        wizzyrea_: What does the reserves table say about the priority numbers?
15:45 wizzyrea_   this is what a 3.2 list looks like before the holds queue has run
15:44 wizzyrea_   http://screencast.com/t/YzE2OGI0Mm
15:44 * owen      likes to glace at the list during slow times if he's working at the desk
15:44 wizzyrea_   remember your question about the weird orders of holds?
15:44 owen        Every couple of hours, although most librarians don't check it so often.
15:43 wizzyrea_   owen: how often do you run your holds queue?
15:41 wizzyrea_   we will knock these holds out yet
15:41 wizzyrea_   the waiting status, but this list used to be so spartan
15:41 wizzyrea_   that's a new thing galen just added
15:40 wizzyrea_   and I love how this is shaping up
15:40 wizzyrea_   at the moment I'm looking at http://screencast.com/t/ZTBhYjljYTE
15:40 owen        I'm always on the lookout for rough edges
15:39 owen        You're very welcome
15:39 wizzyrea_   owen: I can't thank you enough for all of the cleanup you've done in the staff interface, it looks really, really nice.
15:25 tekonivel   45% of OPAC translated; time to restart the rotted Firefox and have a glass of water
15:20 wajasu      hdl_laptop: i removed perl-xml-libxml and perl-xml-sax, which cleaned up things.  Then I added HTTP::OAI and when it goes to install a dependency perl-xml-sax-base, and has conflicting files with perl-xml-sax. (my dist is archlinux)
15:16 sekjal      yeah, I think I prefer this channel...
15:15 wizzyrea_   they are snarktastic in there
15:14 wizzyrea_   the code4lib channel is hopping :P
15:13 sekjal      talking about sharing infrastructure between multiple installs of multiple tools.
15:11 sekjal      jwagner: first presentation after keynote
15:11 jwagner     sekjal, _cloud_ 4Lib?  New conference???  Or just clouding their minds :-)
15:10 wizzyrea_   woot!
15:09 sekjal      Koha logo is front and center in cloud4Lib presentation.  yay!
15:05 wizzyrea_   almost as funny, but not quite.
15:04 tekonivel   John
15:04 * wizzyrea_ is giggling madly
15:04 wizzyrea_   please tell me his name isn't richard
15:04 wizzyrea_   ... poor friend
15:04 tekonivel   he's usalandian
15:04 tekonivel   well, i have a friend who's last name is Fail
15:04 tekonivel   (pls simmer)
15:03 * tekonivel is boiling
15:03 wizzyrea_   they are norwegians
15:03 wizzyrea_   oh, and this will bake your noodle
15:03 wizzyrea_   though I knew a kid in HS whose last name was "norland"
15:03 tekonivel   not the "land of nor"
15:03 * owen      thinks of Calvin and "known girl" Susie Derkins.
15:02 tekonivel   "norway" is more abstract... the "way of the nor"
15:01 wizzyrea_   everyone knows all girls have cooties, owen.
15:01 owen        wizzyrea_: What about cooties?
15:00 * wizzyrea_ does not have the pox.
15:00 tekonivel   anyone here know esperanto? were these issues considered when it was constructed?
15:00 wizzyrea_   and
15:00 * wizzyrea_ has no interest in squaws
14:59 tekonivel   i've understood "ire" is some sort of ugly, agressive thing
14:58 wizzyrea_   lol
14:58 tekonivel   wizzyrea_: i wonder where that comes from
14:58 tekonivel   ok pls let's not get to that...
14:58 wizzyrea_   why aren't the english the engs?
14:58 tekonivel   wizzyrea_: but pls give me some glass-pearls, a pox and steal my squaw ;)
14:57 tekonivel   wizzyrea_: *ouch*
14:57 wizzyrea_   which seems fitting
14:57 wizzyrea_   which phonetically sounds in my mind like "use a land"
14:57 tekonivel   no wait, that doens't work xD
14:57 tekonivel   englang=land of english; ireland=land of the ire; usaland=land of people from USA
14:56 collum      Amazing. There's actually a wikipedia article on "names for U.S Citizens' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_U.S._citizens
14:56 wizzyrea_   s/fin/finn
14:56 wizzyrea_   finnish sounds to me like "I'm kind of like a fin. Sorta."
14:56 tekonivel   kind of odd, i think...
14:56 tekonivel   so finland is "the land of finns"
14:56 tekonivel   some say "a finn"
14:55 wizzyrea_   you are finnish
14:55 tekonivel   finlandian, i guess... :)
14:55 wizzyrea_   yes, actually :)
14:55 imp         wizzyrea_: does it work inside the US too? ;)
14:55 tekonivel   wizzyrea_: yup
14:55 tekonivel   or "an internal war" or whate4ver
14:55 wizzyrea_   oh you are from finland!
14:54 tekonivel   we finns aren't sure if we had a "war of independece", "war of brothers" or "war of liberty" in 1917
14:54 wizzyrea_   at least that was my experience
14:54 wizzyrea_   and they immediately nod and say "Ok, I can place you"
14:54 wizzyrea_   and toto
14:54 wizzyrea_   all a kansan has to say outside the US is, I'm from kansas. Like dorothy
14:53 wizzyrea_   lol
14:53 jwagner     wizzyrea_, using the Free-Stater identity would require a lesson in the American Civil War.  Or as people in Virginia refer to it (STILL), the War of Northern Agression.  I'm glad I don't live in Virginia any more....
14:53 wizzyrea_   ^.^
14:53 tekonivel   wizzyrea_: IRC is not telepathy? i've been fooled!
14:52 wizzyrea_   well I don't know you well enough to communicate telepathically ;)
14:52 tekonivel   wizzyrea_: i thought you might ;)
14:52 wizzyrea_   tekonivel: I'm not sure how it would work
14:52 wizzyrea_   who even knows what that means anymore
14:52 tekonivel   wizzyrea_: i wonder if that would help... does telepathy convey language or pure emotions/experiences?
14:51 wizzyrea_   that's like me saying I'm a Free-Stater
14:51 wizzyrea_   lol
14:51 jwagner     But that lacks the panache!
14:51 wizzyrea_   jwagner: but you could say "I'm from Indiana"
14:51 jwagner     No, just communicate in binary -- it's only ones and zeros!
14:51 wizzyrea_   lol, we should all learn to communicate telepathically
14:51 tekonivel   jwagner: yeah Hoosier sure would confuse me
14:50 tekonivel   the point of this discussion being (on my part), that language is such a sloppy construct...
14:50 tekonivel   norway is europe, but not EU
14:50 tekonivel   otoh, sometimes "european" or "people from the EU countries" are mixed
14:49 jwagner     wizzyrea_, that might not work.  Telling people I'm a Hoosier is likely to leave them even more confused :-)  Besides, I've lived longer outside Indiana than I lived in it by now....
14:48 wizzyrea_   I'm kansan first :P
14:48 tekonivel   owen: lol, that Brazilian guy who got executed in the London metro shouldn't shouted that :)
14:48 wizzyrea_   welp. Guess we're gonna have to find a new name for our country, owen.
14:47 tekonivel   owen: yeah, no ambiquity, but that's exacly what bothers me
14:47 owen        "Don't shoot, I'm an American!"
14:47 * jwagner   would NEVER pick on owen!
14:47 tekonivel   wizzyrea_: and prefably "United States of American passport"... other united stats might be out there too :)
14:47 jwagner     And people from Mexico are usually referred to as Mexicans.  I think general usage of American means people from the U.S.
14:47 owen        But everyone understands "American passport" to mean a United States passport. There's no ambiguity about it in my experience.
14:47 wizzyrea_   what is this, pick on owen day? psh.
14:46 tekonivel   owen: lol they'd prefer to be referred to as "le canadiennes" ;)
14:46 wizzyrea_   you would get a United States passport :P
14:46 wizzyrea_   for one, you wouldn't get an american passport
14:46 tekonivel   s/partport/passport/
14:46 tekonivel   jwagner: exactly
14:45 tekonivel   if i had "an american passport", which partport would it be?
14:45 jwagner     owen, I think you just made the point -- you referred to Canadians.
14:45 owen        I suspect many Canadians would not like being referred to as "Americans"
14:45 owen        I would have to defer to a Canadian on the matter. I've never heard the terms used any differently.
14:44 tekonivel   it's like "european" would mean only people from Finland
14:44 tekonivel   i think that kind of sucks
14:44 tekonivel   but just "american" mean from USA
14:44 owen        "North American" would mean US or Canada.
14:43 tekonivel   owen: there isn't much of a collective there...
14:43 tekonivel   owen: lol that's a good point
14:43 tekonivel   owen: yeah, but there's Canada too. And the continent of NA is quite different than the nation that happens to cover large parts of it at this time and age
14:42 owen        I've never heard of a context in which people from North and South American were spoken of collectively.
14:42 owen        I would think "American" is generally understood to mean "from the USA," but "North American" or "South American" would be the general terms
14:41 tekonivel   ...word
14:40 tekonivel   "usaian" isn't a work
14:40 tekonivel   that reminds me; i hope there was a way to say "a person from USA", that waas not the work "american" because there's plenty of America outside of USA (even outside NAFTA)
14:38 tekonivel   owen: yeah Chomsky!
14:38 owen        Noam Chomsky?
14:38 tekonivel   owen: lol not him
14:38 owen        Stephen Colbert. ;)
14:37 tekonivel   also who's that contemporary philosopher from USA who's written about language, politics and power
14:36 tekonivel   Orwell, Wittgenstein, Sokrates and Agricola are present right here with me :)
14:36 tekonivel   it's interesting work
14:35 tekonivel   owen: yeah
14:34 owen        That implies that there is a circulation desk *and* that library policy requires that patrons set up their passwords in person.
14:34 tekonivel   they intermix OPAC user interface with the functions the library actually provides
14:34 owen        "If you don't have a password yet, stop by the circulation desk the next time you're in the library. We'll happily set one up for you."
14:33 owen        Those opac messages are problematic for many people
14:32 tekonivel   so i'm tempted to translate "contact the circulation desk" to just "concact the library"
14:32 tekonivel   besides a lot of the functions can be done online or over the phone
14:32 tekonivel   also Koha talks about circulation desks, but it's basically a meaningless concept in small libraries because there's only one desk
14:31 tekonivel   that's something like a "a person of library"
14:31 tekonivel   f.ex. Koha has hardcoded strings that talk about "a librarian". However in Finland "a librarian" excludes anyone with a worktitle "library assistant". no generic term for everyone working in a library exists in our language, though i've been simply talking about "kirjastolainen"
14:29 tekonivel   all sorts of thoughts cross my mind while translating
14:26 magnus      probably... ;-)
14:26 tekonivel   magnus: there are only so many Pasi K:s interested in Koha in this small country :)
14:25 tekonivel   magnus: yeah i'm sure
14:22 magnus      probably the same as the PasiK i've seen on the lists, then
14:20 tekonivel   he's at Oulu University, but i haven't yet discussed with him what have been his motivations
14:19 tekonivel   magnus: no wait, Pasi Korkalo
14:18 tekonivel   magnus: sure, it's Pasi Korkeila
14:18 tekonivel   paul_p: yeah certainly they don't, and here the organization of public libraries is so spread out a lot of the municipalities have their libraries ran by basically a handful of ppl, and they're no programmers
14:18 magnus      interesting! do you know who that guy is?
14:17 tekonivel   at least some of it
14:17 tekonivel   well, i guess he got paid for it too
14:17 tekonivel   magnus: he also translated (at least parts) of Koha 2, as a hobby
14:17 tekonivel   magnus: no company provides Koha support, basically one guy has been actively speaking about it and doing installations
14:17 paul_p      tekonivel: sounds fair : libraries don't always have an internal IT team
14:16 magnus      way to go, tekonivel!
14:16 tekonivel   paul_p: yeah, libraries (at least here) don't do any moves if they cant't get (paid) support
14:15 tekonivel   i'm not a Koha-fundamanetalist by no means, but we've basically got Axiell hegemony here so i'm (/we're) trying to fuel the discussion and not let it die down
14:15 paul_p      tekonivel: a company giving support is a BIG boost. Look at Koha adoption in France. Why is it so important ? because we started supporting very early
14:15 magnus      wow, thanks! i would certainly not turn away customers, but of course i don't speak finnish...
14:14 tekonivel   i've been pointing some finnish libraries your way (i don't know if you do internation business), but i hope more Kohas would appear here too
14:14 magnus      any companies in Finland, or everyone just doing things themselves?
14:14 magnus      at least they can't blame lack of support for not looking into it
14:13 magnus      i sure hope so! ;-)
14:13 tekonivel   magnus: i'm sure that has an impact on libraries' willingness to adopt Koha
14:13 magnus      hehe
14:13 tekonivel   magnus: yeah i figured :)
14:13 magnus      that's me! ;-)
14:12 tekonivel   magnus: you've got a norwegian company giving support for Koha
14:12 magnus      but at least there would be some interested people, and i guess more koha people will be coming from "outside" besides me
14:12 tekonivel   magnus: maybe situation has changed by ELAG :)
14:12 tekonivel   magnus: about 5, very few of which are in production (not to mention online)
14:11 tekonivel   magnus: not that there'd be very many Koha installations in Finland though
14:11 tekonivel   magnus: u jeah
14:11 tekonivel   also, it's automation stuff mostly, which in itself is of only utilitarist value
14:11 magnus      perhaps we could have a koha meetup?
14:10 magnus      me neither, but i've heard a lot of good things about it
14:10 * tekonivel has never attended, though
14:10 tekonivel   and such a history thhey've got
14:09 tekonivel   magnus: yeah i think ELAG is one of the most interesting library conferences
14:09 magnus      the programmes are usually good, and helsinki is a nice city!
14:08 tekonivel   magnus: awesome
14:07 magnus      i *think* i will too
14:07 tekonivel   magnus: i'll be there
14:07 magnus      http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ is a good reason for visiting Helsinki this year...
14:07 * brendan   signs up
14:07 tekonivel   owen: ELAG 2010?
14:07 brendan     oh I like that idea a "Koha World Tour"
14:07 * sekjal    sekjal adds Helsinki to his world clock thinger on his phone
14:06 * owen      adds Helsinki to his list of stops on an imaginary Koha World Tour
14:03 tekonivel   oh well
14:03 tekonivel   s/copy/copy+/
14:03 tekonivel   on Pootle: i also with there was a button to accept a suggestion. now it's copy paste with mouse
14:03 munin       gmcharlt: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 02:00 PM, November 05, 2009)
14:03 gmcharlt    @quote random
14:03 sekjal      alright, Code4Lib begins!
14:00 sekjal      it was a REALLY long drive, but dry the whole way.
14:00 tekonivel   owen: we've got plenty here in Helsinki :)
14:00 owen        I'm glad you guys didn't have to travel through snow to get there
14:00 tekonivel   sekjal: lovely!
13:58 sekjal      tekonivel: it's a good time.  I can make sure you get the slides and link to the video, when it's ready
13:58 brendan     atz and galen stopped by also
13:58 brendan     it went well
13:58 tekonivel   sekjal: too bad i'm not in the position to do that :)
13:58 sekjal      owen: went pretty well.  Smaller group, half devs and half users in the morning, mostly all users in the afternoon
13:57 tekonivel   sekjal: i should sent our system librarians there
13:57 brendan     hiya owen
13:57 sekjal      I'm at Code4Lib right now, and will be talking on the migration from Millennium to Koha tomorrow
13:57 * owen      is sorry to have missed it
13:57 owen        Hi sekjal and brendan, how did it go yesterday?
13:57 * sekjal    is well aware of what's what with Innovative's Millennium
13:56 owen        easy_fixes++
13:56 tekonivel   owen: cheers
13:55 tekonivel   it's quite different with Innovative Millenium products, you know
13:55 tekonivel   <3
13:55 * tekonivel feels open source+community development love
13:55 tekonivel   uuh
13:55 tekonivel   O_o
13:54 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4244 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Use "checkouts" instead of "issues"
13:54 owen        Patch for Bug 4244 submitted
13:54 * tekonivel has taken a look at Emacs po-mode
13:53 tekonivel   so they're out of the game
13:53 tekonivel   i guess a lot of people work offline and then upload, so Pootle doesn't gather their stats
13:52 tekonivel   only 42 translations behind chrisc, more for Kaz and PSchouten
13:52 tekonivel   but well worth it, i'm sure :)
13:51 tekonivel   it's quite brainmelting work, though
13:51 tekonivel   (i'm mace on Pootle)
13:51 tekonivel   also 665 translations, i'm fourth on that list
13:50 tekonivel   i've make 204 suggestions, nobody has 268
13:50 * jwagner   cheers for tekonivel
13:50 tekonivel   only mr./mrs./ms. nobody to beat on the Pootle stats
13:50 * tekonivel feels like a champion
13:49 tekonivel   but i'm not peeking at src at this time
13:48 tekonivel   kf: yeah, that'd be nice. luckily there's the line number
13:47 kf          or a tooltip with string number in koha...
13:47 kf          would really like that too
13:47 kf          yes, this idea has been aorund for some time
13:46 tekonivel   kf: yeah, propably. i'm marking it fuzzy for now
13:46 kf          so probably a case for issue = checkout
13:46 tekonivel   i wish pootle had direct links to the sourcecode that would spawn a new browser with or something
13:46 kf          self check out
13:45 tekonivel   f.ex. ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/sco/circulation.tmpl:137 seems to have moved
13:45 tekonivel   however the git repository has changed since 3.0
13:44 tekonivel   i'm marking all the suspicious strings as fuzzy, and will re-iterate trough them later and take a peek at the sourcecode at that time
13:44 tekonivel   kf: it would be soo hard to translate without the context
13:44 tekonivel   kf: yeah yeah
13:43 tekonivel   end of the week, i mean!
13:43 tekonivel   i'm translating all "issue"s in the meaning #3, and hope to come back to them at testing time, hopefully at the end of the list
13:43 owen        I see... The self-checkout module has that instance of "today's issues."
13:43 kf          its a good indicator for context sometimes
13:43 kf          tekonivel: look at the template list
13:42 tekonivel   library-lingo can be a tad tricky sometimes
13:42 tekonivel   owen: soooo many thanks for your efforts :)
13:41 tekonivel   it would mean newspapers, and journals that have arrived in the library today, not checkouts for patrons done today
13:41 tekonivel   f.ex. "Today's Issues" (string number 960)
13:40 owen        tekonivel: I hope so. We tried to eliminate that usage.
13:40 tekonivel   i could trust the term "issue" is used only in the meaning #3
13:40 tekonivel   owen: i wonder if i can count that "issue" is not used in that meaning in Koha 3 OPAC, when i'm tranalating it...
13:39 tekonivel   owen: yeah... that would be meaning #2 on myt list
13:39 tekonivel   also hard to google that word
13:39 owen        tekonivel: It was even harder when we called "check-outs" "issues"
13:38 tekonivel   it can mean 1) a problem "i have an issue" 2) an event "list of smth issued today" or a 3) issue of a subscription "a new issue of Library Journal"
13:38 magnus      that word means so many different things in norwegian too...
13:37 tekonivel   hard to translate "issue"
13:26 jwagner     G'morning
13:26 gmcharlt    hi owen
13:25 jdavidb     Hi, owen! :)
13:25 owen        Hi #koha
13:01 biglego     morning everyone
12:56 hdl_laptop  hi gmcharlt
12:55 gmcharlt    hi hdl_laptop, jdavidb
12:49 jdavidb     Mornin', #koha.
12:44 hdl_laptop  hi kf
12:43 kf          hi hdl_laptop
12:41 hdl_laptop  hi
12:11 gmcharlt    cool
12:09 brendan     ended up talk about zebra more than anything else
12:09 brendan     didn't get a chance to bug-squash
12:09 brendan     it was really nice.  had a few newbies so we answered questions and showed them around koha
12:08 gmcharlt    brendan: how was the rest of preconference?
12:08 gmcharlt    good morning
11:59 brendan     morning #koha
11:39 tekonivel   s/\(mended\)/&1 it/
11:38 tekonivel   if someone else mended, thanks to whoever it was :)
11:38 tekonivel   chris: but fine now. if you did something about it, thanks
11:37 tekonivel   chris: it was a bit b0rken yesterday
11:37 tekonivel   chris: i think i was told that you're the person who can mend Pootle
10:22 hdl_laptop  wajasu: have you tried deleting that ?
10:00 Ropuch      Morning #koha
08:52 wajasu      HTTP::OAI complains about    perl-xml-sax-base: /usr/share/man/man3/XML::SAX::Base.3pm.gz exists in filesystem
08:48 wajasu      i'm having problems getting HTTP::OAI , PDF::API2::Simple, and POE to install.  (trying koha 3.02.00-alpha.
08:34 kf          hi chris
08:34 chris       hi kf
08:34 kf          good morning all
08:21 munin       chris: The operation succeeded.
08:21 chris       @later tell fredericd http://github.com/ranginui/translate.koha.org
07:42 munin       chris: The operation succeeded.
07:42 chris       @later tell hdl_laptop did you see the question about 3.0.6, i see the file at download.koha.org but no announcement yet?
07:22 chris       hdl_laptop: are you around?
07:21 chris       man i wish i understood authorities so i could answer pauline, but that documentation may as well be written in swahili for as much sense as it makes to me
07:17 chris       (-f is force .. so you can either do that, or rebase from your originmaster first)
07:12 chris       nod_: git push -f
06:51 Genji       whats wrong?
06:51 Genji       yet if i do 'scan @attr 1=21' it always breaks all the results into words...
06:51 Genji       marc21 biblio records.abs has subject:p in that line.
06:50 Genji       hiya... marc field 653 is complete phrases.. subjects.
05:11 nod_        chris: any idea what push command i should use to push to my originmaster?
04:36 wajasu      if code in graphicsmagick needs to change to use and API now, what does that mean for all the other apps that use libpng?  must they all get tweaked?  Or will there just need to be multiple versions of libpng installed?
04:34 wajasu      my archlinux is at the latest libpng 1.4.0-2.  But it seems the png_info struct might have changed, so this seems like a tough dependency problem.
04:31 wajasu      I started to do this for the latest graphicsmagick download, and it won't build with the current PKGBUILD.  There is an error in compiling for code that uses libpng.
04:30 wajasu      i will adjust the version dependencies accordingly.
04:30 wajasu      i just reused the graphicsmagick PKGBUILD, but run a similiar ./configure with --with-perl  and cd into the appropriate subdirectory and perl Makefile.PL, and walla, just the perl stuff.
04:23 gmcharlt    wajasu++
04:17 wajasu      maybe I should call it perl-perlmagick  (but it supplies Magick.pm and Graphics::Magick).  Oh. this is for archlinnux folks.
04:16 wajasu      ok. I finally built a PKGBUILD called perl-graphicsmagick that builds a Graphics::Magick module for the corresponding graphicsmagick package.  I guess i should call it perl-graphicsmagick.  (debian calls theirs perlmagick)
03:23 Amit        heya galen
03:23 gmcharlt    hi Amit
03:23 Amit        hi brendan, chris
03:23 Amit        hi all
02:49 Genji       yet if i do 'scan @attr 1=21' it always breaks all the results into words...
02:48 Genji       marc21 biblio records.abs has subject:p in that line.
02:48 Genji       hiya... marc field 653 is complete phrases.. subjects.