Time Nick Message 02:48 Genji hiya... marc field 653 is complete phrases.. subjects. 02:48 Genji marc21 biblio records.abs has subject:p in that line. 02:49 Genji yet if i do 'scan @attr 1=21' it always breaks all the results into words... 03:23 Amit hi all 03:23 Amit hi brendan, chris 03:23 gmcharlt hi Amit 03:23 Amit heya galen 04:16 wajasu ok. I finally built a PKGBUILD called perl-graphicsmagick that builds a Graphics::Magick module for the corresponding graphicsmagick package. I guess i should call it perl-graphicsmagick. (debian calls theirs perlmagick) 04:17 wajasu maybe I should call it perl-perlmagick (but it supplies Magick.pm and Graphics::Magick). Oh. this is for archlinnux folks. 04:23 gmcharlt wajasu++ 04:30 wajasu i just reused the graphicsmagick PKGBUILD, but run a similiar ./configure with --with-perl and cd into the appropriate subdirectory and perl Makefile.PL, and walla, just the perl stuff. 04:30 wajasu i will adjust the version dependencies accordingly. 04:31 wajasu I started to do this for the latest graphicsmagick download, and it won't build with the current PKGBUILD. There is an error in compiling for code that uses libpng. 04:34 wajasu my archlinux is at the latest libpng 1.4.0-2. But it seems the png_info struct might have changed, so this seems like a tough dependency problem. 04:36 wajasu if code in graphicsmagick needs to change to use and API now, what does that mean for all the other apps that use libpng? must they all get tweaked? Or will there just need to be multiple versions of libpng installed? 05:11 nod_ chris: any idea what push command i should use to push to my originmaster? 06:50 Genji hiya... marc field 653 is complete phrases.. subjects. 06:51 Genji marc21 biblio records.abs has subject:p in that line. 06:51 Genji yet if i do 'scan @attr 1=21' it always breaks all the results into words... 06:51 Genji whats wrong? 07:12 chris nod_: git push -f 07:17 chris (-f is force .. so you can either do that, or rebase from your originmaster first) 07:21 chris man i wish i understood authorities so i could answer pauline, but that documentation may as well be written in swahili for as much sense as it makes to me 07:22 chris hdl_laptop: are you around? 07:42 chris @later tell hdl_laptop did you see the question about 3.0.6, i see the file at download.koha.org but no announcement yet? 07:42 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 08:21 chris @later tell fredericd http://github.com/ranginui/translate.koha.org 08:21 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 08:34 kf good morning all 08:34 chris hi kf 08:34 kf hi chris 08:48 wajasu i'm having problems getting HTTP::OAI , PDF::API2::Simple, and POE to install. (trying koha 3.02.00-alpha. 08:52 wajasu HTTP::OAI complains about perl-xml-sax-base: /usr/share/man/man3/XML::SAX::Base.3pm.gz exists in filesystem 10:00 Ropuch Morning #koha 10:22 hdl_laptop wajasu: have you tried deleting that ? 11:37 tekonivel chris: i think i was told that you're the person who can mend Pootle 11:37 tekonivel chris: it was a bit b0rken yesterday 11:38 tekonivel chris: but fine now. if you did something about it, thanks 11:38 tekonivel if someone else mended, thanks to whoever it was :) 11:39 tekonivel s/\(mended\)/&1 it/ 11:59 brendan morning #koha 12:08 gmcharlt good morning 12:08 gmcharlt brendan: how was the rest of preconference? 12:09 brendan it was really nice. had a few newbies so we answered questions and showed them around koha 12:09 brendan didn't get a chance to bug-squash 12:09 brendan ended up talk about zebra more than anything else 12:11 gmcharlt cool 12:41 hdl_laptop hi 12:43 kf hi hdl_laptop 12:44 hdl_laptop hi kf 12:49 jdavidb Mornin', #koha. 12:55 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop, jdavidb 12:56 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 13:01 biglego morning everyone 13:25 owen Hi #koha 13:25 jdavidb Hi, owen! :) 13:26 gmcharlt hi owen 13:26 jwagner G'morning 13:37 tekonivel hard to translate "issue" 13:38 magnus that word means so many different things in norwegian too... 13:38 tekonivel it can mean 1) a problem "i have an issue" 2) an event "list of smth issued today" or a 3) issue of a subscription "a new issue of Library Journal" 13:39 owen tekonivel: It was even harder when we called "check-outs" "issues" 13:39 tekonivel also hard to google that word 13:39 tekonivel owen: yeah... that would be meaning #2 on myt list 13:40 tekonivel owen: i wonder if i can count that "issue" is not used in that meaning in Koha 3 OPAC, when i'm tranalating it... 13:40 tekonivel i could trust the term "issue" is used only in the meaning #3 13:40 owen tekonivel: I hope so. We tried to eliminate that usage. 13:41 tekonivel f.ex. "Today's Issues" (string number 960) 13:41 tekonivel it would mean newspapers, and journals that have arrived in the library today, not checkouts for patrons done today 13:42 tekonivel owen: soooo many thanks for your efforts :) 13:42 tekonivel library-lingo can be a tad tricky sometimes 13:43 kf tekonivel: look at the template list 13:43 kf its a good indicator for context sometimes 13:43 owen I see... The self-checkout module has that instance of "today's issues." 13:43 tekonivel i'm translating all "issue"s in the meaning #3, and hope to come back to them at testing time, hopefully at the end of the list 13:43 tekonivel end of the week, i mean! 13:44 tekonivel kf: yeah yeah 13:44 tekonivel kf: it would be soo hard to translate without the context 13:44 tekonivel i'm marking all the suspicious strings as fuzzy, and will re-iterate trough them later and take a peek at the sourcecode at that time 13:45 tekonivel however the git repository has changed since 3.0 13:45 tekonivel f.ex. ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/sco/circulation.tmpl:137 seems to have moved 13:46 kf self check out 13:46 tekonivel i wish pootle had direct links to the sourcecode that would spawn a new browser with or something 13:46 kf so probably a case for issue = checkout 13:46 tekonivel kf: yeah, propably. i'm marking it fuzzy for now 13:47 kf yes, this idea has been aorund for some time 13:47 kf would really like that too 13:47 kf or a tooltip with string number in koha... 13:48 tekonivel kf: yeah, that'd be nice. luckily there's the line number 13:49 tekonivel but i'm not peeking at src at this time 13:50 * tekonivel feels like a champion 13:50 tekonivel only mr./mrs./ms. nobody to beat on the Pootle stats 13:50 * jwagner cheers for tekonivel 13:50 tekonivel i've make 204 suggestions, nobody has 268 13:51 tekonivel also 665 translations, i'm fourth on that list 13:51 tekonivel (i'm mace on Pootle) 13:51 tekonivel it's quite brainmelting work, though 13:52 tekonivel but well worth it, i'm sure :) 13:52 tekonivel only 42 translations behind chrisc, more for Kaz and PSchouten 13:53 tekonivel i guess a lot of people work offline and then upload, so Pootle doesn't gather their stats 13:53 tekonivel so they're out of the game 13:54 * tekonivel has taken a look at Emacs po-mode 13:54 owen Patch for Bug 4244 submitted 13:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4244 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Use "checkouts" instead of "issues" 13:55 tekonivel O_o 13:55 tekonivel uuh 13:55 * tekonivel feels open source+community development love 13:55 tekonivel <3 13:55 tekonivel it's quite different with Innovative Millenium products, you know 13:56 tekonivel owen: cheers 13:56 owen easy_fixes++ 13:57 * sekjal is well aware of what's what with Innovative's Millennium 13:57 owen Hi sekjal and brendan, how did it go yesterday? 13:57 * owen is sorry to have missed it 13:57 sekjal I'm at Code4Lib right now, and will be talking on the migration from Millennium to Koha tomorrow 13:57 brendan hiya owen 13:57 tekonivel sekjal: i should sent our system librarians there 13:58 sekjal owen: went pretty well. Smaller group, half devs and half users in the morning, mostly all users in the afternoon 13:58 tekonivel sekjal: too bad i'm not in the position to do that :) 13:58 brendan it went well 13:58 brendan atz and galen stopped by also 13:58 sekjal tekonivel: it's a good time. I can make sure you get the slides and link to the video, when it's ready 14:00 tekonivel sekjal: lovely! 14:00 owen I'm glad you guys didn't have to travel through snow to get there 14:00 tekonivel owen: we've got plenty here in Helsinki :) 14:00 sekjal it was a REALLY long drive, but dry the whole way. 14:03 sekjal alright, Code4Lib begins! 14:03 gmcharlt @quote random 14:03 munin gmcharlt: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 02:00 PM, November 05, 2009) 14:03 tekonivel on Pootle: i also with there was a button to accept a suggestion. now it's copy paste with mouse 14:03 tekonivel s/copy/copy+/ 14:03 tekonivel oh well 14:06 * owen adds Helsinki to his list of stops on an imaginary Koha World Tour 14:07 * sekjal sekjal adds Helsinki to his world clock thinger on his phone 14:07 brendan oh I like that idea a "Koha World Tour" 14:07 tekonivel owen: ELAG 2010? 14:07 * brendan signs up 14:07 magnus http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ is a good reason for visiting Helsinki this year... 14:07 tekonivel magnus: i'll be there 14:07 magnus i *think* i will too 14:08 tekonivel magnus: awesome 14:09 magnus the programmes are usually good, and helsinki is a nice city! 14:09 tekonivel magnus: yeah i think ELAG is one of the most interesting library conferences 14:10 tekonivel and such a history thhey've got 14:10 * tekonivel has never attended, though 14:10 magnus me neither, but i've heard a lot of good things about it 14:11 magnus perhaps we could have a koha meetup? 14:11 tekonivel also, it's automation stuff mostly, which in itself is of only utilitarist value 14:11 tekonivel magnus: u jeah 14:11 tekonivel magnus: not that there'd be very many Koha installations in Finland though 14:12 tekonivel magnus: about 5, very few of which are in production (not to mention online) 14:12 tekonivel magnus: maybe situation has changed by ELAG :) 14:12 magnus but at least there would be some interested people, and i guess more koha people will be coming from "outside" besides me 14:12 tekonivel magnus: you've got a norwegian company giving support for Koha 14:13 magnus that's me! ;-) 14:13 tekonivel magnus: yeah i figured :) 14:13 magnus hehe 14:13 tekonivel magnus: i'm sure that has an impact on libraries' willingness to adopt Koha 14:13 magnus i sure hope so! ;-) 14:14 magnus at least they can't blame lack of support for not looking into it 14:14 magnus any companies in Finland, or everyone just doing things themselves? 14:14 tekonivel i've been pointing some finnish libraries your way (i don't know if you do internation business), but i hope more Kohas would appear here too 14:15 magnus wow, thanks! i would certainly not turn away customers, but of course i don't speak finnish... 14:15 paul_p tekonivel: a company giving support is a BIG boost. Look at Koha adoption in France. Why is it so important ? because we started supporting very early 14:15 tekonivel i'm not a Koha-fundamanetalist by no means, but we've basically got Axiell hegemony here so i'm (/we're) trying to fuel the discussion and not let it die down 14:16 tekonivel paul_p: yeah, libraries (at least here) don't do any moves if they cant't get (paid) support 14:16 magnus way to go, tekonivel! 14:17 paul_p tekonivel: sounds fair : libraries don't always have an internal IT team 14:17 tekonivel magnus: no company provides Koha support, basically one guy has been actively speaking about it and doing installations 14:17 tekonivel magnus: he also translated (at least parts) of Koha 2, as a hobby 14:17 tekonivel well, i guess he got paid for it too 14:17 tekonivel at least some of it 14:18 magnus interesting! do you know who that guy is? 14:18 tekonivel paul_p: yeah certainly they don't, and here the organization of public libraries is so spread out a lot of the municipalities have their libraries ran by basically a handful of ppl, and they're no programmers 14:18 tekonivel magnus: sure, it's Pasi Korkeila 14:19 tekonivel magnus: no wait, Pasi Korkalo 14:20 tekonivel he's at Oulu University, but i haven't yet discussed with him what have been his motivations 14:22 magnus probably the same as the PasiK i've seen on the lists, then 14:25 tekonivel magnus: yeah i'm sure 14:26 tekonivel magnus: there are only so many Pasi K:s interested in Koha in this small country :) 14:26 magnus probably... ;-) 14:29 tekonivel all sorts of thoughts cross my mind while translating 14:31 tekonivel f.ex. Koha has hardcoded strings that talk about "a librarian". However in Finland "a librarian" excludes anyone with a worktitle "library assistant". no generic term for everyone working in a library exists in our language, though i've been simply talking about "kirjastolainen" 14:31 tekonivel that's something like a "a person of library" 14:32 tekonivel also Koha talks about circulation desks, but it's basically a meaningless concept in small libraries because there's only one desk 14:32 tekonivel besides a lot of the functions can be done online or over the phone 14:32 tekonivel so i'm tempted to translate "contact the circulation desk" to just "concact the library" 14:33 owen Those opac messages are problematic for many people 14:34 owen "If you don't have a password yet, stop by the circulation desk the next time you're in the library. We'll happily set one up for you." 14:34 tekonivel they intermix OPAC user interface with the functions the library actually provides 14:34 owen That implies that there is a circulation desk *and* that library policy requires that patrons set up their passwords in person. 14:35 tekonivel owen: yeah 14:36 tekonivel it's interesting work 14:36 tekonivel Orwell, Wittgenstein, Sokrates and Agricola are present right here with me :) 14:37 tekonivel also who's that contemporary philosopher from USA who's written about language, politics and power 14:38 owen Stephen Colbert. ;) 14:38 tekonivel owen: lol not him 14:38 owen Noam Chomsky? 14:38 tekonivel owen: yeah Chomsky! 14:40 tekonivel that reminds me; i hope there was a way to say "a person from USA", that waas not the work "american" because there's plenty of America outside of USA (even outside NAFTA) 14:40 tekonivel "usaian" isn't a work 14:41 tekonivel ...word 14:42 owen I would think "American" is generally understood to mean "from the USA," but "North American" or "South American" would be the general terms 14:42 owen I've never heard of a context in which people from North and South American were spoken of collectively. 14:43 tekonivel owen: yeah, but there's Canada too. And the continent of NA is quite different than the nation that happens to cover large parts of it at this time and age 14:43 tekonivel owen: lol that's a good point 14:43 tekonivel owen: there isn't much of a collective there... 14:44 owen "North American" would mean US or Canada. 14:44 tekonivel but just "american" mean from USA 14:44 tekonivel i think that kind of sucks 14:44 tekonivel it's like "european" would mean only people from Finland 14:45 owen I would have to defer to a Canadian on the matter. I've never heard the terms used any differently. 14:45 owen I suspect many Canadians would not like being referred to as "Americans" 14:45 jwagner owen, I think you just made the point -- you referred to Canadians. 14:45 tekonivel if i had "an american passport", which partport would it be? 14:46 tekonivel jwagner: exactly 14:46 tekonivel s/partport/passport/ 14:46 wizzyrea_ for one, you wouldn't get an american passport 14:46 wizzyrea_ you would get a United States passport :P 14:46 tekonivel owen: lol they'd prefer to be referred to as "le canadiennes" ;) 14:47 wizzyrea_ what is this, pick on owen day? psh. 14:47 owen But everyone understands "American passport" to mean a United States passport. There's no ambiguity about it in my experience. 14:47 jwagner And people from Mexico are usually referred to as Mexicans. I think general usage of American means people from the U.S. 14:47 tekonivel wizzyrea_: and prefably "United States of American passport"... other united stats might be out there too :) 14:47 * jwagner would NEVER pick on owen! 14:47 owen "Don't shoot, I'm an American!" 14:47 tekonivel owen: yeah, no ambiquity, but that's exacly what bothers me 14:48 wizzyrea_ welp. Guess we're gonna have to find a new name for our country, owen. 14:48 tekonivel owen: lol, that Brazilian guy who got executed in the London metro shouldn't shouted that :) 14:48 wizzyrea_ I'm kansan first :P 14:49 jwagner wizzyrea_, that might not work. Telling people I'm a Hoosier is likely to leave them even more confused :-) Besides, I've lived longer outside Indiana than I lived in it by now.... 14:50 tekonivel otoh, sometimes "european" or "people from the EU countries" are mixed 14:50 tekonivel norway is europe, but not EU 14:50 tekonivel the point of this discussion being (on my part), that language is such a sloppy construct... 14:51 tekonivel jwagner: yeah Hoosier sure would confuse me 14:51 wizzyrea_ lol, we should all learn to communicate telepathically 14:51 jwagner No, just communicate in binary -- it's only ones and zeros! 14:51 wizzyrea_ jwagner: but you could say "I'm from Indiana" 14:51 jwagner But that lacks the panache! 14:51 wizzyrea_ lol 14:51 wizzyrea_ that's like me saying I'm a Free-Stater 14:52 tekonivel wizzyrea_: i wonder if that would help... does telepathy convey language or pure emotions/experiences? 14:52 wizzyrea_ who even knows what that means anymore 14:52 wizzyrea_ tekonivel: I'm not sure how it would work 14:52 tekonivel wizzyrea_: i thought you might ;) 14:52 wizzyrea_ well I don't know you well enough to communicate telepathically ;) 14:53 tekonivel wizzyrea_: IRC is not telepathy? i've been fooled! 14:53 wizzyrea_ ^.^ 14:53 jwagner wizzyrea_, using the Free-Stater identity would require a lesson in the American Civil War. Or as people in Virginia refer to it (STILL), the War of Northern Agression. I'm glad I don't live in Virginia any more.... 14:53 wizzyrea_ lol 14:54 wizzyrea_ all a kansan has to say outside the US is, I'm from kansas. Like dorothy 14:54 wizzyrea_ and toto 14:54 wizzyrea_ and they immediately nod and say "Ok, I can place you" 14:54 wizzyrea_ at least that was my experience 14:54 tekonivel we finns aren't sure if we had a "war of independece", "war of brothers" or "war of liberty" in 1917 14:55 wizzyrea_ oh you are from finland! 14:55 tekonivel or "an internal war" or whate4ver 14:55 tekonivel wizzyrea_: yup 14:55 imp wizzyrea_: does it work inside the US too? ;) 14:55 wizzyrea_ yes, actually :) 14:55 tekonivel finlandian, i guess... :) 14:55 wizzyrea_ you are finnish 14:56 tekonivel some say "a finn" 14:56 tekonivel so finland is "the land of finns" 14:56 tekonivel kind of odd, i think... 14:56 wizzyrea_ finnish sounds to me like "I'm kind of like a fin. Sorta." 14:56 wizzyrea_ s/fin/finn 14:56 collum Amazing. There's actually a wikipedia article on "names for U.S Citizens' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_U.S._citizens 14:57 tekonivel englang=land of english; ireland=land of the ire; usaland=land of people from USA 14:57 tekonivel no wait, that doens't work xD 14:57 wizzyrea_ which phonetically sounds in my mind like "use a land" 14:57 wizzyrea_ which seems fitting 14:57 tekonivel wizzyrea_: *ouch* 14:58 tekonivel wizzyrea_: but pls give me some glass-pearls, a pox and steal my squaw ;) 14:58 wizzyrea_ why aren't the english the engs? 14:58 tekonivel ok pls let's not get to that... 14:58 tekonivel wizzyrea_: i wonder where that comes from 14:58 wizzyrea_ lol 14:59 tekonivel i've understood "ire" is some sort of ugly, agressive thing 15:00 * wizzyrea_ has no interest in squaws 15:00 wizzyrea_ and 15:00 tekonivel anyone here know esperanto? were these issues considered when it was constructed? 15:00 * wizzyrea_ does not have the pox. 15:01 owen wizzyrea_: What about cooties? 15:01 wizzyrea_ everyone knows all girls have cooties, owen. 15:02 tekonivel "norway" is more abstract... the "way of the nor" 15:03 * owen thinks of Calvin and "known girl" Susie Derkins. 15:03 tekonivel not the "land of nor" 15:03 wizzyrea_ though I knew a kid in HS whose last name was "norland" 15:03 wizzyrea_ oh, and this will bake your noodle 15:03 wizzyrea_ they are norwegians 15:03 * tekonivel is boiling 15:04 tekonivel (pls simmer) 15:04 tekonivel well, i have a friend who's last name is Fail 15:04 tekonivel he's usalandian 15:04 wizzyrea_ ... poor friend 15:04 wizzyrea_ please tell me his name isn't richard 15:04 * wizzyrea_ is giggling madly 15:04 tekonivel John 15:05 wizzyrea_ almost as funny, but not quite. 15:09 sekjal Koha logo is front and center in cloud4Lib presentation. yay! 15:10 wizzyrea_ woot! 15:11 jwagner sekjal, _cloud_ 4Lib? New conference??? Or just clouding their minds :-) 15:11 sekjal jwagner: first presentation after keynote 15:13 sekjal talking about sharing infrastructure between multiple installs of multiple tools. 15:14 wizzyrea_ the code4lib channel is hopping :P 15:15 wizzyrea_ they are snarktastic in there 15:16 sekjal yeah, I think I prefer this channel... 15:20 wajasu hdl_laptop: i removed perl-xml-libxml and perl-xml-sax, which cleaned up things. Then I added HTTP::OAI and when it goes to install a dependency perl-xml-sax-base, and has conflicting files with perl-xml-sax. (my dist is archlinux) 15:25 tekonivel 45% of OPAC translated; time to restart the rotted Firefox and have a glass of water 15:39 wizzyrea_ owen: I can't thank you enough for all of the cleanup you've done in the staff interface, it looks really, really nice. 15:39 owen You're very welcome 15:40 owen I'm always on the lookout for rough edges 15:40 wizzyrea_ at the moment I'm looking at http://screencast.com/t/ZTBhYjljYTE 15:40 wizzyrea_ and I love how this is shaping up 15:41 wizzyrea_ that's a new thing galen just added 15:41 wizzyrea_ the waiting status, but this list used to be so spartan 15:41 wizzyrea_ we will knock these holds out yet 15:43 wizzyrea_ owen: how often do you run your holds queue? 15:44 owen Every couple of hours, although most librarians don't check it so often. 15:44 wizzyrea_ remember your question about the weird orders of holds? 15:44 * owen likes to glace at the list during slow times if he's working at the desk 15:44 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/YzE2OGI0Mm 15:45 wizzyrea_ this is what a 3.2 list looks like before the holds queue has run 15:45 owen wizzyrea_: What does the reserves table say about the priority numbers? 15:45 wizzyrea_ idk, lemme look 15:48 wizzyrea_ hm, what am I looking for? I have some weirdly high ones on titles that only have a couple of holds 15:48 wizzyrea_ like, 12, 14, 16 15:49 wizzyrea_ (we dont have a lot going on, this is totally test data) 15:50 owen That's what I expect to see on those titles with multiple number ones. I was seeing priorities like "1, 2, 435, 736, 1203" 15:50 owen I know brendan has been looking into it for us but I don't know how much progress he has made 15:52 gmcharlt yea, I don't think we've nailed down exactly when it is occurring 15:53 wizzyrea_ well I'm trying to test if the hold queue job puts them right again 15:53 brendan wizzyrea, select distinct biblionumber from reserves where priority > '100'; 15:53 wizzyrea_ I don't have any of those 15:54 wizzyrea_ but I also probably don't have more than 100 holds on this system 15:54 brendan ok thanks 15:57 gmcharlt the holds queue job doesn't change hold priorities 15:57 gmcharlt (or if it is, that's a bug, at least the way it's designed to operate now) 15:57 brendan from tracing through things right now.. not finding any issues on _Fixpriority 15:58 brendan funny things is I am sitting right next to gmcharlt 15:58 brendan hi gmcharlt 15:58 gmcharlt hi brendan 15:58 wizzyrea_ hee 15:59 gmcharlt we're listening to rsinger, so we have an excuse for not actually talking too each other right now ;) 15:59 wizzyrea_ hm 15:59 wizzyrea_ it's not matching item home location to patron home location above all else is it? 16:00 wizzyrea_ or is there a pref that does that? 16:00 wizzyrea_ because I just checked in a springfield book and it went priority 1 (incorrectly) to a springfield patron 16:01 sekjal wizzyrea_: how many holds do you have in your system all told? and what version of the code are you running? 16:02 wizzyrea_ then, a centervill item went to the 1st centerville patron (listed 1) 16:02 wizzyrea_ in this system, probably fewer than 75 total 16:03 wizzyrea_ 3.01.00.124 (and this has some of gmcharlt's newest stuff on it, too) 16:03 wizzyrea_ re:holds 16:03 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: to confirm, the bibs you're testing from my holds bugfix branch? 16:03 gmcharlt *bits 16:03 wizzyrea_ yes 16:03 sekjal wizzyrea_: and I assume you don't have any holds with priority > 75 16:03 wizzyrea_ no, I don't 16:04 sekjal that probably doesn't mean much, but every little bit of data helps! 16:10 wajasu i'm trying to install a perl module HTTP:OAI and it depends on XML::SAX::Base. But I already have XML::LibXML installed which depends on XML::SAX. Both contain /usr/lshare/perl5/vendor/XML/SAX/Base.pm. 16:11 wajasu They are different. 16:13 wajasu My distribution's package manager pacman complains about the conflict and stops the install. I may have to "force" it to overwrite. 16:17 sekjal for this holds priority issue: can we tell if it happens when placing multiple holds at once, only when holds are done singly, or in both cases? 16:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: tracing the process would help 16:19 wizzyrea_ yea, I'm in process of doing that 16:20 gmcharlt if you can go through a sequence of creating a number of holds that result in a glitch, then repeat it, that would be golden 16:20 * gmcharlt is preaching to the choir, of course 16:20 wizzyrea_ :D 16:26 wizzyrea_ these are a set: http://screencast.com/t/ZTBjNzlk 16:26 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/M2YxMzk2 16:26 kf bye :) 16:27 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/OTQ2M2E2YmIt 16:28 brendan wizzyrea that first screen shot with priority's listed as 3, 1, 1 is what we are seeing 16:28 gmcharlt having two requests as priority one is an issue 16:28 gmcharlt how are you getting to that point? 16:28 brendan before you move that one around can you look at the priorities for both of those one's listed as 1 16:29 brendan you can see them in teh database 16:29 brendan or you can click on the name and it will show you the priority number listed under the patron's holds 16:30 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/NzU3YzIxZm 16:30 wizzyrea_ there are several with this patron that have gone funny 16:30 wizzyrea_ the numbers must be based on the max number of holds in the system 16:30 wizzyrea_ you can see the one is waiting 16:31 gmcharlt priority is per hold request 16:31 wizzyrea_ i mean, the erroneous numbers 16:31 gmcharlt so in theory could be 16th in line for dogsong 16:31 gmcharlt assuming, of course, that there are actually that many requests on that title 16:32 wizzyrea_ dogsong 16:32 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/NzU3YzIxZm 16:32 gmcharlt ? same as the previous screenshot 16:32 wizzyrea_ er 16:32 wizzyrea_ sry 16:32 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/YzVjMDJiNjE 16:32 wizzyrea_ premature paste :P 16:32 gmcharlt heh 16:32 sekjal wizzyrea_: it's looking like that, yes. perhaps somehow the total number of holds is getting put into the priority field... 16:33 wizzyrea_ I love screencast. it's so fast. 16:33 sekjal wizzyrea_: it's super neat, and mega helpful 16:34 wizzyrea_ here's casey's holds priority 16:34 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/YTk3ZDc3MT 16:35 gmcharlt sekjal: it's taking priority directly from reserves.priority, it's not attemping a calculation 16:37 sekjal gmcharlt: right, no calculation in the display. But priority has to be figured out somewhere... perhaps the initial assignment is erroroneous 16:37 gmcharlt er, round and round we go 16:38 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: are all of the hold requests we're looking at news ones that you created for testing today? 16:38 wizzyrea_ no, some of them are from last friday, I'm working one from today 16:38 wizzyrea_ the ordered screengrabs are in #kohakansas (just keeping my thoughts in order there) 16:38 wizzyrea_ from the ones I've done today 16:40 sekjal it seems to me that the first trick is to figure out when the priority value is being mis-assigned, from a workflow process level 16:40 sekjal which will point to code, etc. 16:40 wizzyrea_ yea, I'm trying to document every step 16:40 sekjal cool 16:40 wizzyrea_ not in this channel though >.> 16:41 wizzyrea_ b/c I don't want to spam 16:41 sekjal right 16:41 gmcharlt yeah - a summary at the end would be good - also need the state of all of the holds sysprefs 16:46 wizzyrea_ here's the holds policy: http://screencast.com/t/YzJjNzBjYjY 16:47 wizzyrea_ I wonder about StaticHoldsQueueWeight and RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight 16:48 wizzyrea_ we've always been a bit fuzzy about how that works 16:48 gmcharlt they're used only by the holds queue cronjob 16:49 gmcharlt to specify which libraries are preferred sources of items to fill hold requests 16:50 gmcharlt and (for the randomize setting) to mix the order up 16:50 wizzyrea_ so an item placement triggered by checkin doesn't follow those rules 16:50 wizzyrea_ ? 16:50 wizzyrea_ er, I guess what you're telling me is that all item placements are triggered by checkin 16:51 gmcharlt right - they influence the picklist 16:53 wizzyrea_ which in turn influences the placement, albeit indirectly 16:53 gmcharlt and the current hold fill target is taken into count 16:54 gmcharlt build_holds_queue generates picklist and current hold fill target map 16:54 gmcharlt when items are pulled 16:54 gmcharlt hold fill target is checked first - if an item is allocated for a specific hold, it's supposed to be used/tranisted to fill that hold 16:55 gmcharlt but if item not being checked in isn't specifically target to a hold request, but can fill it 16:55 gmcharlt it will fall back to filling that request 16:56 wizzyrea_ right, bibs vs items 16:57 sekjal are the holds priorities going weird when the hold is placed, or when someone else's hold is fulfilled? 16:57 wizzyrea_ I actually suspect that, sekjal 16:58 wizzyrea_ i'm not sure why yet 16:58 wizzyrea_ but I've seen something at some point that suggests that might be the case 16:58 wizzyrea_ but I haven't reproduced it yet 16:58 sekjal wizzyrea_: which might be the case (former or latter)? 16:58 wizzyrea_ that the problem happens in the process of moving items about 16:59 wizzyrea_ filling and moving, possibly ignoring holds 16:59 gmcharlt transiting => bad priorities, perhaps? 16:59 sekjal ah. that seems a little more plausible, given the increased complexity 16:59 wizzyrea_ there's a weird thing where if you ignore the hold for 1 priority, the next time the item is seen it goes to #2, while #1 is still technically #1 16:59 wizzyrea_ then it goes back to one 17:01 wizzyrea_ part of bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3595 17:01 munin 04Bug 3595: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold 17:01 wizzyrea_ well, all of it really 17:02 wizzyrea_ it is probably related somehow 17:07 sekjal mmmm, Code4Lunch 17:07 wizzyrea_ on the brightside: http://screencast.com/t/ZDBjMzEzYW 17:11 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: one thing about your testing - are you the only one actively working with holds in your test database? 17:12 wizzyrea_ at the moment, and yes, friday we had 3 people doing stuff 17:12 wizzyrea_ at the same time 17:12 gmcharlt ok 17:12 wizzyrea_ if I can't reproduce it I'll give you all logins and permission to go to town ;) 17:13 wizzyrea_ ...you don't suppose it is caused by using a single sign on 17:13 brendan nope 17:13 gmcharlt the reason I'm asking is if (for completely new holds) is if you can reproduce all by yourself 17:14 wizzyrea_ i'm trying to lol 17:14 wizzyrea_ xmas in the big house is working perfectly though 17:14 wizzyrea_ except for the initial wtf of why did henry get it and not sharon 17:14 gmcharlt it'll be easier on us poor programmers :) 17:15 wizzyrea_ nope, just me 17:29 wizzyrea_ gmcharlt did you fix 3595? was that part of the stuff you did over the weekend? 17:30 nengard you can always tell when i'm doing training - those are the days i enter 100 bugs ;( 17:30 wizzyrea_ i may be crazy but it doesn't seem like it's broken anymore... will have to check again. 17:31 wizzyrea_ you know what would be super helpful 17:31 wizzyrea_ a preferences export 17:38 tekonivel some more translation... i'm trying to work up to 50% today 17:38 tekonivel after that there's some reading and emails to do 17:38 tekonivel long day 17:46 schuster If I wanted to force copy specific holds - ... rather than bib level where should I start? 17:46 schuster In looking at opac-reserve.tmpl - activating the copy list is forced by an "on click"... 17:51 * tekonivel woders what is an "aperture card" 17:51 * brendan secretly wants to answer nengard's barcode question with "well nengard it's time for the barcode stork conversation" 17:51 brendan of course the barcodes come from the barcode stork 17:52 * wizzyrea_ reminds brendan that nothing in #koha is secret 17:52 brendan that was for all :) 17:52 * brendan kind of humour 17:52 wizzyrea_ well, when a codabar and a UPC-E really love each other... 17:53 wizzyrea_ i know lol 17:53 brendan they create little codabar-39's 17:53 wizzyrea_ so cute and tiny! 17:54 nengard goofy boy 17:55 nengard it was a question I got while training today - never thought about asking :) 17:56 wizzyrea_ blerg, I must not be creative enough to make this stuff die. Or I follow the rules too well. 17:57 tekonivel there's /nooo/ way to translate "at" from english to finnish.... 17:57 * tekonivel calls it a day 17:57 nengard time for lunch 17:57 nengard be back 17:58 wizzyrea_ brendan: I just made it happen! 17:58 wizzyrea_ What I did: 17:59 wizzyrea_ placed a hold on the normal holds tab 17:59 wizzyrea_ CHANGED THE PICKUP LOCATION, and the ones I changed the pickup location for all are priority 1 17:59 wizzyrea_ let me do it again... 17:59 brendan ok set it all back to normal and place a hold for that patron from the opac 17:59 brendan I've done that and that knocks it out of wack too 18:00 wizzyrea_ normal = delete all the holds? 18:00 brendan just adjust the priorities so they are all normal 18:01 wizzyrea_ okies, gimme a sec 18:02 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: re 3595 - not yet 18:02 gmcharlt it's more complicated 18:02 wizzyrea_ always, lol 18:03 gmcharlt as some libraries need the hold_fill_targets to take precedence to minimize transits 18:03 gmcharlt but I'll cobble up yet another syspref :) 18:03 brendan hi nelsonf 18:03 brendan any overdue luck? 18:08 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: light dawns 18:09 gmcharlt hmm - may need to add a reserves.id for 3.2, then, to avoid that kind of change 18:10 wizzyrea_ gmcharlt re 3595, a syspref that controls which message shows up re: transits would be good, because right now it shows both 18:10 wizzyrea_ and it's confusing 18:10 brendan bug 3595 18:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3595 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold 18:11 wizzyrea_ er 18:11 wizzyrea_ no, that's not the one I was thinking of >.< 18:11 wizzyrea_ my brain is awash I'm not sure how you keep it all straight 18:12 wizzyrea_ I was thinking of 4234 18:12 wizzyrea_ bug 4234 18:12 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4234 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Automatic transfer shouldn't take precedence over a hold transit 18:12 wizzyrea_ christ. I will stop talking onw 18:12 wizzyrea_ now* 18:17 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: alas, light dims - I'm not able to reproduce the priority changing when I changing the pickup location from the staff bib details page 18:17 chris wizzyrea_: you are closing in on 10,000 lines in irc .. don't stop now :) 18:18 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 18:18 wizzyrea_ lol 18:18 wizzyrea_ interesting, because I can do it every time 18:18 wizzyrea_ I will screencast it for you 18:18 wizzyrea_ 1s 18:18 wizzyrea_ moving video! 18:19 * gmcharlt prepares some popcorn 18:20 wizzyrea_ I got it! 18:20 wizzyrea_ it's when it prompts you that "logged in location is different from home location" 18:20 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/NWU1MDMy 18:20 schuster let me at it, me an munin are buds ya know I can drive him mad... 18:23 wizzyrea_ @ be 18:23 munin wizzyrea_: Error: "be" is not a valid command. 18:23 wizzyrea_ I tell you, he is having an existential crisis 18:23 owen wizzyrea_: I give you high marks for the video, but the soundtrack was lacking. 18:24 wizzyrea_ pft 18:24 brendan morning chris 18:24 chris hiya brendan, hows code4lib going 18:24 brendan good been spending more time here then listening 18:25 brendan but I'm interested in the next talk 18:25 wizzyrea_ was better than what you would have gotten, something off of my "chill" soundtrack 18:26 sekjal hey, chris. currently listening to eXtensible Catalog talk. very interesting 18:27 wizzyrea_ shortened to XCat, of course. Librarians love their acronyms. 18:27 wizzyrea_ j/k j/k 18:27 owen I don't have time to say whole words!!! 18:28 wizzyrea_ man, you should live in kansas... everything is Kan(insert here) 18:28 wizzyrea_ KanGuard 18:28 wizzyrea_ KanEd 18:28 chris sekjal: ah yeah that would be an interesting one 18:28 wizzyrea_ KanFind 18:28 wizzyrea_ Kan we not Kan anymore? 18:29 sekjal on to Matching Dirty Data 18:30 * owen mutters, "Filthy data, we hates it" 18:30 brendan second dirty thing said today 18:30 wizzyrea_ It's like Speed Matching 18:34 seneca Greetings all! 18:35 seneca Having imported most of my records from another system, I've got many records for items that no longer exist in the library 18:35 wizzyrea_ brendan: I haven't actually gotten my OPAC hold to show up at all in the staff side 18:35 wizzyrea_ when I changed my pickup location 18:35 seneca (I think the old system didn't REALLY delete things when it said it did) 18:35 wizzyrea_ after reorganizing the priorities 18:36 seneca Anyone know where/what I would look for in the mysql database to find all those records with no items and delete them all there? 18:36 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: still can't reproduce :( 18:36 wizzyrea_ no way! 18:36 brendan oh man wizzyrea_ way to add more to it :) 18:36 wizzyrea_ !! 18:36 gmcharlt heh 18:37 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/YzJjNzBjYjY 18:37 wizzyrea_ here are my holds prefs 18:37 wizzyrea_ is there something terribly wrong there? 18:38 jwagner seneca, you're looking for titles with no items attached? 18:38 seneca yep 18:38 wizzyrea_ gmcharlt: on the first one you try or subsequent holds? 18:39 gmcharlt I've tried it both ways 18:39 wizzyrea_ ya, sec 18:39 seneca jwagner: I'm kinda looking around the database now and nothing's jumping out at me yet - is there a way to do a search for such items in the staff client? 18:39 jwagner seneca, I don't know the SQL, but I'll bet someone else does. Basically, you want to select everything from biblio table where biblionumber is not contained in biblioitems or items. 18:40 seneca ok, biblionumber is what I'm looking for, though, eh. Cool, that's a good first step. Thanks! 18:40 jwagner biblionumber is the linking field between biblio, biblioitems, and items. 18:41 seneca very good to know 18:41 chris seneca: select biblio.biblionumber,biblio.title from biblio left join items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber where items.itemnumber is null; 18:41 chris i may have just written that in postgres syntax not mysql, but you get the drift 18:41 seneca I'm sure I can grock together the SQL command from that info 18:41 chris a left join, and then find the nulls 18:41 seneca oh, thanks chris 18:44 chris right bus time 18:45 chris bbiab 19:06 schuster I like this one for the Kan comments - KanKoha...;) 19:07 wizzyrea_ hehe 19:08 brendan KanKohaKon11 19:08 wizzyrea_ oh lordy 19:08 brendan ewh - to many k's in a row 19:08 wizzyrea_ lol I"m going to KKK11! 19:08 wizzyrea_ bad! 19:11 wizzyrea_ brendan, I got the same thing from the OPAC (this is from ages ago) changing the pickup location mucked it up 19:12 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/Y2IwMTBjY 19:12 brendan hmm.. so we've got wackiness when you change the location, wackiness when someone just places a regular hold... 19:12 brendan Wizzyrea_ can you try and del that hold from the opac and see if all the priorities go back in line 19:13 wizzyrea_ yep sec 19:14 wizzyrea_ nope :( http://screencast.com/t/ZmZiMzliNG 19:18 wizzyrea_ does yours behave differently? 19:19 wizzyrea_ because maybe mine's just messed up 19:19 wizzyrea_ which would be infuriating for all involved 19:20 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: hmm - it stopped failing for me 19:21 wizzyrea_ !! 19:21 wizzyrea_ ok 19:21 wizzyrea_ well 19:21 wizzyrea_ maybe it's just me then 19:21 wizzyrea_ lol 19:21 wizzyrea_ lol in an ironic looking for a cliff to leap off of kind of way 19:22 wizzyrea_ tbh, the priority list isn't that important as long as they're going to the right person in the right order 19:22 wizzyrea_ at least not for us 19:23 wizzyrea_ sh. I'm being quiet now 19:23 brendan yeah true -- it's just if patrons are looking at their priority they may ask why am I so high? 19:23 brendan heh -- that came out funny 19:23 brendan I'd reply - quick smoking stuff then 19:24 wizzyrea_ lol yea 19:24 wizzyrea_ it would be better if it were fixed though 19:24 wizzyrea_ if we can actually prove it's broken 19:24 sekjal perhaps a syspref to disable priority as a concept.... just prioritize by date. that'd work for a lot of libraries, wouldn't it? until this can get fixed 19:26 gmcharlt no, too drastic 19:26 gmcharlt and would break rather a lot of other stuff 19:27 sekjal more work than just finding the root of the problem, probably 19:27 gmcharlt I'm going to noodle around with having reserve/placerequest.pl *not* accept what the browser passes as the priority 19:27 gmcharlt and have it calculate the correct priority on the fly 19:28 wizzyrea_ gmcharlt: you using some flavor of linux + firefox? 19:28 wizzyrea_ for testing? 19:31 brendan gmcharlt stepped out for a minute 19:31 brendan peeking - looks to be firefox os X 19:31 brendan :) 19:32 wizzyrea_ well crap that's the same as what I'm using 19:38 * brendan too 19:38 brendan heh 19:40 wizzyrea_ so you do or don't get the same results as me, brendan 19:40 brendan I get similar results from the same setup 19:41 wizzyrea_ ok good then I'm not nuts 19:42 wizzyrea_ now for something completely different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFNG-sxLnM8&feature=player_embedded 19:45 brendan bug 4201 19:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4201 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers 19:45 brendan wizzyrea_ add any comments to that 19:46 brendan or even change the setting to blocker 19:46 wizzyrea_ k 19:46 wizzyrea_ well I think it's sufficently apt to happen that it is warranted to do so 19:47 gmcharlt I've set it as a blocker for now 19:53 wizzyrea_ brendan did you see this screencap: http://screencast.com/t/MjEzM2Q4 19:53 wizzyrea_ this one shows the wierdness associated with clearing the cache 19:56 wizzyrea_ i like the moving videos because then you can see exactly what I did 19:56 brendan what's that icon in the dock that spends the whole time bouncing? 19:56 brendan for wizzyrea_ 19:56 wizzyrea_ quassel 19:56 brendan googles 19:57 brendan ah 19:57 wizzyrea_ ok, afk a bit heading home, but will be back 19:57 brendan I think I spent more time watching that then watching the vdieo 19:57 * brendan goes to rewatch 19:57 chris back 19:58 owen gone 20:06 cait hm, pootle is loaaading... 20:07 * gmcharlt slaps forehead 20:07 gmcharlt two calls to _FixPriority have been broken for rather a long time 20:07 chris cait: someone keeps uploading .po files 20:08 chris and it makes pootle spin working out all the change 20:08 chris s 20:08 cait ok, will wait for pootle to figure it out 20:08 cait ah, now I got to the home page :) 20:08 chris python doesnt do threading very well 20:09 chris so its a single thread essentially, which means everythign has to wait 20:10 cait chris: thx for explaining :) 20:11 gmcharlt wizzyrea_ et al.: please pull from the holds branch of git://git.librarypolice.com/git/koha-galen.git and try again 20:11 chris git rules 20:15 chris gmcharlt: bug 4256 20:15 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4256 blocker, P5, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, auth_by_bind doesn't fetch user LDAP entry breaking replicate 20:15 chris has a patch attached, but not sent to the list 20:16 chris just a fyi so the patch doesnt get missed, if you want i can try the patch out and send it on to the list? 20:16 gmcharlt ... "along with fix for mungling of mapping (I'm not quite 20:16 gmcharlt sure that code as-is works for anyone). 20:16 gmcharlt " 20:16 gmcharlt worries me 20:16 chris yeah 20:17 gmcharlt that kind of blanket assertion is ... questionable 20:17 chris *nod* 20:17 * chris eyeballs the patch 20:18 chris so he's taken a die out 20:18 gmcharlt make it blithely process along if the user didn't specify a mapping section in the LDAP config 20:18 chris yeah 20:18 chris i dont like it 20:19 chris and if we are gonna repeat the $search_method call, lets shift it out of the if else 20:27 gmcharlt not necessarily - if you're doing auth_by_bind and *not* replicating, don't need the extra call 20:27 chris ah right you are 20:29 gmcharlt so it actually means adding *another* if :) 20:44 sekjal atz "mystery meat" lightning talk... very illuminating 20:44 chris heh, yeah seeing lots of atz++ 20:44 chris he called some vendors out huh? 20:44 brendan yup 20:45 brendan atz++ gets some here too 20:45 chris he's a good man 20:46 sekjal atz++, indeed 20:50 sekjal and brendan wins a prize! 20:50 chris w00t 20:50 chris whatcha get? 20:50 liz-nekls !! 20:52 brendan I went with the oxygen xml editor 20:52 chris ive heard good things about that 20:52 brendan yeah maybe nicole could get some from it too 20:52 sekjal nice choice, brendan. 20:53 chris when is your talk sekjal ? 20:53 sekjal tomorrow morning 20:53 sekjal 10:55 local time 20:53 chris ah cool 20:54 sekjal still have to gather up more CC images to make it pretty 20:54 nengard nicole ... what?? 20:55 nengard brendan - a book on oxygen? or oxygen itself? 20:55 brendan a key for downloading oxygen 20:55 nengard oxygen is very very very expensive - I use a free XML editor :) but I used oxygen when I was a metadata librarian 20:55 nengard wow! cool - congrats 20:56 brendan yeah thinking of someway that we could share it 20:56 brendan whoops should have offed that one 20:56 nengard hehe 20:57 nengard i like the editor i'm using :) 20:57 brendan I see the license police coming after me 20:57 brendan :) 21:29 Lee so does Josh lurk here? 21:30 chris ferraro? 21:30 Lee yeah 21:30 chris not for nearly a year no 21:30 chris but this is all publicly logged 21:30 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-02-23#i_399001 21:30 Lee well then I cant chat here 21:31 brendan you can if you use [off] 21:31 chris at the start of a message 21:31 Lee off like this 21:31 chris or just make a new # and chat there 21:31 brendan but you're right probly best not to chat here 21:31 chris no 21:31 chris its best to use a different channel, to easy to miss the off 21:31 brendan [off] like that 21:31 brendan chris++ 21:32 Lee [off] suggestions? 21:32 Lee ok 21:32 richard i'd open a new channel and invite who you wanted to chat with 21:32 richard /join #lee (or whatever you choose) 21:33 richard and then 21:33 richard /invite chris (or whoever you choose) 21:48 cait good night #koha 21:49 sekjal time to pack it up for the evening. cheers, #koha 22:32 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:32 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -12.3�C (4:31 PM CST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -23.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling). 22:34 brendan hi moodaepo 22:35 brendan @wunder asheville, NC 22:35 munin brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is 2.1�C (5:34 PM EST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 6 PM EST Wednesday... 22:35 brendan @wunder 93117 22:35 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (2:32 PM PST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Falling). 22:35 moodaepo brendan: Ahoy 22:36 moodaepo How did your presentation go? 22:37 brendan it went very well 22:37 brendan had a good mix of people 22:38 moodaepo Nice. Too bad couldn't make it this year, next year! 22:47 hdl_laptop hi brendan... Congrats for your presentation 22:48 brendan hi hdl_laptop 22:48 brendan thanks 22:48 brendan kudos also go to gmcharlt and sekjal 22:49 gmcharlt brendan++ 22:49 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I know he is bright at presenting ;) 22:49 gmcharlt sekjall++ 22:49 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: yep, I managed to get enough coffee in me yesterday morning ;) 22:49 brendan gmcharlt++ 22:49 brendan hdl_laptop: atz was there too 22:49 brendan was great to see atz 22:50 hdl_laptop would have been great to be there 22:50 gmcharlt we missed you 22:50 gmcharlt I'm looking forward to NZ 22:50 chris :) 22:52 brendan atz was telling me that your presentation last year ( hdl_laptop ) was awesome 22:57 hdl_laptop thanks 23:01 hdl_laptop good night folks 23:01 gmcharlt good night