Time Nick Message 23:37 rhcl it's the weekend... 23:23 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.3�C (5:21 PM CST on February 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady). 23:23 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:48 brendan I'll be back 22:48 brendan cya #koha 22:48 chris thats my plan:) 22:41 brendan heh - let them nap :) 22:37 chris everyone in my house is napping, and i want to go to the fair, but if i wake them up, there will be hell to pay 22:30 munin wizzyrea_: The operation succeeded. 22:30 wizzyrea_ @later tell gmcharlt ty for the bash help, I got it. Stupid brain. 22:12 wizzyrea_lab meh. 22:05 wizzyrea_lab 1 hour to go 22:02 wizzyrea_lab I feel like I'm changng them but nothing is happening :( 22:02 wizzyrea_lab is there something you have to do to make the xslt stylesheets be updated? 22:00 * brendan feels like he's on the end of the planet 22:00 brendan East coast is starting their weekend. 22:00 brendan and now is the quietest time on #koha for the week 21:56 schuster closing shop for the weekend! have a good one all. 21:54 sekjal time to leave. good night, all 21:45 gmcharlt hitting the road - bbiab 21:42 gmcharlt vi ~/.bashrc 21:42 * wizzyrea_lab is having a brain fart 21:42 wizzyrea_lab through relogs 21:41 wizzyrea_lab oh what's the command to get your environment variables to stick 21:33 Genji and my works dev box and hostgator box have 2.6.32.... 21:30 Genji so, i now have xml2 version 2.7.5.... 21:29 Genji installing libxml2-dev automatically updated libxml2.. uhh..... 21:29 Genji opps 21:28 Genji though, updatemanager wants to upgrade libxml2 file... 21:27 gmcharlt yeah, the head INSTALL.ubuntu will be safe enough 21:27 gmcharlt gotcha 21:27 Genji because thats what my client is working with... and right now, upgrading would take long. custom files.. 21:26 gmcharlt umm, why are you installing that instead of 3.0.5 or 3.2.0 alpha? 21:25 gmcharlt 3.0 rc1? 21:25 Genji oh sweet.thanks gmcharlt. hmm.... using this to install koha 3rc1 should be safe ya? 21:24 wizzyrea_lab owen: the next time I see you we will have lots of booze together lol 21:22 gmcharlt Genji: there's also an INSTALL.ubuntu 21:21 * gmcharlt takes the ibuprofen, shelves the booze for later :) 21:21 owen have a good weekend all 21:21 gmcharlt wizzyrea_lab: heh - I'll be driving from Atlanta to Gainesville starting in a few minutes 21:21 owen It's quitting time, I guess I can get my own booze. 21:20 wizzyrea_lab lol 21:20 * owen wonders how he can get in on that action 21:17 wizzyrea_lab gmcharlt: I am sending you ibuprofen and booze. Not to be taken at the same time, of course 21:14 owen What is that wizzyrea_lab ? 21:14 wizzyrea_lab (and is it a syspref, can we turn it off) 21:14 wizzyrea_lab when did the "confirm checkout for hold" dialog appear? 21:13 Genji so http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian-lenny would work with ubuntu? 21:11 wizzyrea_lab chris_n: more like with my pocket protector 21:10 wizzyrea_lab genji: afaik, it's very close 21:09 owen wizzyrea_lab: Okay, yeah, that makes sense 21:08 Genji Anyway, installing koha on ubuntu Koala.... same as installing on debian lenny? 21:08 wizzyrea_lab click "ignore" on the confirm hold and transfer dialog 21:08 Genji err... irc server got reset huh? 21:07 owen wizzyrea_lab: How do you define "has been ignored" ? 21:07 Genji not a good situation...... 21:07 Genji hiya all... eeep.. only one op and hes away... 21:05 wizzyrea_lab like, you shouldn't even know about a home transfer unless a hold transfer has been ignored 21:04 wizzyrea_lab actually, they should probably be sequential: transfer home should only appear if a hold transit has been ignored 21:04 wizzyrea_lab yea, we've seen both situations 21:03 owen I guess 4040 could happen either with an automatic transfer or a manual one, so yeah. 21:03 wizzyrea_lab thanks for finding that owen, less typing for me :) 21:02 gmcharlt owen: it's related, but not the same - 4234 is specifically for the automatic item return case 21:02 wizzyrea_lab owen: that's actually the same as the next one I was going to submit 21:02 chris_n bbl 21:02 * chris_n imagines wizzyrea_lab in a long white coat 21:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Checking in an already confirmed on-hold item results in duplicate dialogs 21:01 owen I think that's the same as Bug 4040 21:00 gmcharlt time to add a 'why' column to branchtransfers, perhaps 20:59 gmcharlt wizzyrea_lab: yes 20:59 wizzyrea_lab help, does this make sense? 20:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4234 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Automatic transfer shouldn't take precedence over a hold transit 20:59 wizzyrea_lab bug 4234 20:57 sekjal I'm on 5.008008 20:57 gmcharlt sekjal: what version of Perl were you testing it on, out of curiosity? 20:44 sekjal hopefully I'm not missing something huge with this patch, but it does give me a chance to show of my fancy new email address 20:43 chris_n ought even 20:43 * chris_n thinks all perls aught to be built equal :) 20:43 chris_n sekjal++ 20:43 chris_n cool 20:43 sekjal got one written up and ready to go 20:43 chris_n sekjal: thank, I'll send a patch off over the weekend 20:42 owen wizzyrea_lab: yeah, I hate that 20:42 sekjal chris_n: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at -e line 1. 20:42 wizzyrea_lab there's no way to tell if an item was assigned to a patron by koha or by a person 20:41 wizzyrea_lab this holds stuff is very interesting 20:41 wizzyrea_lab hrm 20:41 munin gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3916 trivial, P5, ---, matthias.meusburger@biblibre.com, NEW, Batch Modify tool overwrites dropdown fields - no option for "no change" 20:41 gmcharlt @bug 3916 20:41 munin jwagner: Error: "cage" is not a valid command. 20:41 jwagner munin cage match? 20:40 chris_n lol 20:40 schuster until schuster tries playing with munin then he looses his/her mind.... schuster goes to the corner... 20:40 jwagner good person, munin! 20:39 munin owen: Error: "is" is not a valid command. 20:39 owen munin is polite like that 20:39 * owen is guessing 20:39 wizzyrea_lab AH 20:39 owen I think munin tries not to spam us with bug descriptions if they come repeatedly. 20:39 wizzyrea_lab how's that for a title :P 20:39 munin 04Bug 3916: trivial, P5, ---, matthias.meusburger@biblibre.com, NEW, Batch Modify tool overwrites dropdown fields - no option for "no change" 20:39 wizzyrea_lab http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3916 20:38 * wizzyrea_lab cries 20:38 wizzyrea_lab seems that way 20:38 jwagner unless munin and/or bugzilla have gone on strike.... 20:38 jwagner I think it wants a capital B -- Bug 3916 20:37 wizzyrea_lab bug 3916 20:37 wizzyrea_lab gerg 20:37 chris_n sekjal: did you try this test case at the command prompt: perl -e 'use strict; my $hashname->{"hashkey"} = 123; print $hashname->{"hashkey"}' 20:37 wizzyrea_lab bug 3916 20:36 jwagner Passing the hat to fund enhancements? Big change would be better than small change.... 20:36 wizzyrea_lab lol 20:35 owen the title of that bug needs small change too 20:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3916 trivial, P5, ---, matthias.meusburger@biblibre.com, NEW, Batch Modify Items Tool Needs Small Change 20:35 owen wizzyrea_lab: Bug 3916 20:33 owen The only time I mind a duplicate bug report is if the newer one is better than mine. 20:33 wizzyrea_lab well I am finding them... I'm trying to make sure I'm not duplicating but you know how that goes 20:33 * jdavidb finds it hard to imagine hating wizzyrea_lab. Ever. 20:32 owen Not if you're finding bugs wizzyrea_lab 20:31 wizzyrea_lab you guys are going to hate me today 20:28 jwagner That's one of the items that I still need to write up for bugzilla, sorry. 20:28 jwagner Yes. I'm not too familiar with the details on that one, but for sure there's a script that transfers data to the phone system, and I think some SIP tweaks for data coming back the other way. 20:27 schuster OK - there was a LL client asking about it and I thought I had seen someplace that someone had done work with it. Was there coding you all had to do in order for it to work? 20:26 jwagner Sorry, no -- the phone one is pretty much OK. It's the selfcheck SIP we've been also doing that still has a couple of problems. 20:26 * jdavidb is here, but only semi-functional as well. 20:25 jwagner Still a few problems to iron out with it, though. 20:25 jwagner Itiva Talking Tech is the phone system. 20:25 jwagner phone notification? yes 20:25 schuster Seems like I read someplace that you all were doing something with a calling system for overdues? 20:25 jwagner Yes, we're here. Brain not terribly functional, but... 20:24 wizzyrea_lab maybe? 20:24 schuster ptfs still around? jwagner jdavidb? 20:24 wizzyrea_lab hmm, 4172 20:22 owen Some talk on the mailing list at least? 20:22 owen I think that has been discussed, probably a bug for it already 20:22 * wizzyrea_lab goes to file a bug 20:22 wizzyrea_lab all of the dropdowns need to default to no change lol 20:22 chris_n sounds like fun :) 20:22 wizzyrea_lab there's no option for "no change" 20:21 wizzyrea_lab even if you don't want to overwrite them >.> 20:21 wizzyrea_lab so batch conversion changes locations 20:21 wizzyrea_lab lol omg 20:10 jwagner owen, our feature does add email and phone number to the pulldown for the basic patron search, which should help some. 20:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4231 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Placing holds from cart fails silently 20:01 wizzyrea_lab bug 4231 19:58 owen jwagner: that enhanced searching sounds useful for maintenance tasks, but all I want is a bunch of form fields like the regular advanced search page. 19:55 wizzyrea_lab k I will write it up 19:55 owen wizzyrea_lab: doesn't sound familiar to me 19:53 wizzyrea_lab like, click the button nothing happens kind of way 19:53 wizzyrea_lab hm, has anyone reported that placing hold from cart fails on items that are unholdable, in a very silent way 19:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3468 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Enhanced patron searching, patron batch edit/delete 19:53 jwagner owen, see Bug 3468 -- the SQL search part 19:53 * owen wants to be able to search by address, phone number, email address, etc. 19:52 * owen still thinks we need a full-blown advanced search for patrons 19:50 sekjal chris_n: okay, I'll give that a go 19:49 owen It was a nice subtle modification to the UI that really works. 19:49 owen wizzyrea_lab: hdl gets the ++ for the [+] and the functionality 19:47 chris_n sekjal: I'd try dumping the contents of the $item_results hash and see if something is screwed up there 19:46 wizzyrea_lab right, the display of it is ++ nice 19:46 owen I didn't add that feature, I only tweaked the display a little bit 19:46 wizzyrea_lab the little [+] 19:45 wizzyrea_lab owen did you do that awesome new patron search design? 19:45 chris_n if so, you probably want to locate the data and fix it 19:45 ebegin test passed :) 19:45 ebegin 123 19:45 ebegin perl -e 'use strict; my $hashname->{"hashkey"} = 123; print $hashname->{"hashkey"}' 19:45 chris_n maybe corrupted data? 19:45 sekjal so, it looks like some folks get the error, others don't, depending on things outside of Koha and its data. If we patch to split the offending lines, it should work for everyone, right? 19:44 chris_n that works fine 19:44 chris_n :) 19:44 chris_n snap 19:44 chris perl -e 'use strict; my $hashname->{"hashkey"} = "123";' 19:44 chris you cant use " on the commandline, the $ gets interpolated 19:43 ebegin I didn't run the code... hold on 19:42 chris_n ebegin: I get your error as well 19:41 ebegin 5.10 19:41 chris_n ebegin: what version are you on? 19:41 chris_n hmmm... v5.10.0 here 19:41 sekjal 5.008008 19:40 ebegin syntax error at -e line 1, near "my ->" 19:40 ebegin perl -e "use strict; my $hashname->{'hashkey'} = '123';" 19:40 chris_n sekjal: what perl version 19:40 chris_n works fine here 19:40 chris works ok 19:40 chris 08:39 ~/git/koha (documentation)$ 19:40 chris 8:39 ~/git/koha (documentation)$ perl -e 'use strict; my $item_data->{"_item_number"}' 19:40 sekjal so, local configurations must factor in somehow 19:39 chris_n we have run over 250 batches on that code :-) 19:39 ebegin you may be sekjal :) 19:39 chris actually i lie that is valid 19:39 sekjal I can't be the first person to try to use the Label Creator 19:39 * chris_n wonders why we have not had this problem here 19:39 sekjal well, it must work somewhere for someone. 19:38 chris_n so one cannot declare a hashref and load an element in one line? 19:38 chris yep 19:38 ebegin The code tries to access a hash that wasn't created yet... 19:38 chris nope its not 19:38 chris_n weird error 19:37 ebegin I don't think this is valid 19:37 chris so tis not just your perl, but perl in general sekjal 19:37 chris syntax error at -e line 1, near "my ->" 19:37 chris perl -e "my $item_data->{'_item_number'};" 19:37 sekjal Zebra is working and returning fine, as far as I can tell (have it running in a terminal window) 19:36 sekjal only get the error if I get at least one result 19:36 * chris_n looks 19:36 sekjal in Label Creator, New Batch, press Add Item(s), and search for a term 19:36 chris yeah that line doesnt look right to me 19:36 chris_n sekjal: exactly what are you doing to get the error? 19:36 sekjal what it's looking like to me right now is way my Perl is setup, it doesn't want to let me assign a hash reference to a variable on the same line I'm declaring it 19:35 chris_n hmm... 19:35 chris other errors yes, but a syntax one nope 19:35 chris that wouldnt be causing a syntax error tho 19:35 chris_n the structure may be ok, but some of the labels data corrupted in the conversion 19:34 sekjal but maybe my crossed eyes missed something (it was late) 19:34 chris_n sekjal: it may not have all come through cleanly 19:34 sekjal chris_n: I spent last night comparing my current DB structure to kohastructure.sql, and couldn't find any significant differences 19:33 sekjal chris_n: yes 19:33 sekjal chris_n: wouldn't be surprised, after all I've been through lately. but I've had luck by splitting offending lines in two 19:33 chris_n didn't we work through your data the other day? 19:33 * chris_n has d�j� vu 19:32 chris_n sekjal: probably a data corruption issue there 19:26 sekjal I assume that since no one else has reported a bug about this (it prevents me from using the Label Creator at all), that it's somehow local to my system 19:25 sekjal no, this is all fresh off git.koha.org this morning 19:25 ebegin hmmm... did you modified the code? 19:24 sekjal similar error has now moved to C4/Creators/Lib.pm 19:24 ebegin cool 19:24 sekjal ebegin: just did, and it seemed to fix the immediate problem 19:23 ebegin $item_data->{'_item_number'} ='' 19:23 ebegin sekjal, do in it 2 lines. my %item_data; 19:19 sekjal my system doesn't seem to like "my $item_data->{'_item_number'} = " 19:18 sekjal I'm still getting an error with Label Creator... a null HASH reference on line 129 of /labels/label-item-search.pl 19:05 gmcharlt patch description would seem to be enough, unless you want to ask Darrell to toss a LICENSE into the sound directory 19:02 owen Do we need some kind of documentation of that? 19:00 gmcharlt owen: described in the patch - Darrell says they fall under the Artistic License 18:59 schuster ;) 18:59 schuster what do you work in a library or something? sheesh. 18:59 schuster chris++ error or non regular checkin or credit/payment/overdue 18:59 chris_n hehe 18:58 chris (or will after 20 mins of constant noise) 18:58 chris cos most ppl (i suspect) only want a beep on error 18:58 schuster owen ++ 18:57 chris yeah 18:57 owen What we probably need is an "audio control panel" in Administration where you can check off which ones you want 18:56 owen One pref to rule them all 18:56 chris the sounds are totally syspref controlled eh? 18:54 owen ...and do they require their own license statement? 18:53 owen Does anyone know what the source of the sounds is? 18:53 wizzyrea_ starving, must have brain food to slog through holds this afternoon :) 18:52 chris_n owen: very nice 18:52 wizzyrea_ ok, food 18:52 wizzyrea_ imo 18:52 wizzyrea_ it should be a different sound than the checkout noise 18:52 nengard i guess that's okay 18:52 nengard ah! 18:52 owen chris_n must have seen my animated background example http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=237 18:52 wizzyrea_ because he wants to know when the page is ready for action 18:52 wizzyrea_ darrel sent me a long email telling me why 18:52 nengard what's the logic? 18:51 wizzyrea_ I understand the logic behind the beep on page load but it's annoying lol 18:51 nengard i don't need a sound to tell me i opened a new page ;) 18:51 nengard yeah - why does it beep when i get to the page itself? 18:51 wizzyrea_ i like the sounds, but wow it beeps a lot 18:51 chris_n especially with the new sounds feature :) 18:51 nengard chris_n those are all very very bad web design :) 18:51 nengard LOL 18:50 nengard cause people won't know to look there 18:50 chris_n owen could whip up some special css to make it flash lights and ring bells 18:50 wizzyrea_ :) 18:50 wizzyrea_ well yea 18:50 wizzyrea_ i mean, it's deletable before that 18:50 nengard but make it 2 or 3 days :) 18:50 nengard love it 18:50 nengard wizzyrea_++ 18:50 chris_n excellent idea 18:50 chris_n wizzyrea_++ 18:50 wizzyrea_ with every update 18:50 wizzyrea_ into the DB 18:50 wizzyrea_ that expires 1 day after date of update 18:50 wizzyrea_ chris_n: could put an automatic news item 18:49 wizzyrea_ so the place where it stops is based on that, not the content of where it stops, if that makes sense 18:49 wizzyrea_ I think it quits parsing when it gets to 200 18:48 wizzyrea_ over 200 of them, varying numbers 18:48 wizzyrea_ kind of errors 18:48 wizzyrea_ nengard: openjade:/home/koha-community/public_html/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual.xml:19385:55:E: non SGML character number 147 18:47 gmcharlt but sure 18:47 chris_n ie. the redirect bit resets after the page is accessed until the next upgrade sets it again 18:47 gmcharlt that or just include a link to the release notes on the page after the update finishes 18:47 chris_n it would be nice to have a one-time redirect after every upgrade to an upgrade notes page or something like that 18:46 chris_n gmcharlt: just speaking with nengard about the need at times of communicating misc info to the user after an upgrade (not necessarily a db upgrade) 18:43 chris sekjal: sweet! 18:42 nengard so it's the <table> tags - which is weird cause they're the same in HTML as in DocBook 18:42 sekjal just saw this on Slashdot: Jacobsen v. Katzer Settled - Victory of F/OSS http://miburl.com/W0WBur 18:42 nengard it looks like the script is choking on the first table 18:42 nengard just wanted to help if I could 18:42 nengard I understand time issues 18:42 nengard no that's A-OK!! 18:41 wizzyrea_ i'm sorry I haven't had more time to look at it 18:41 wizzyrea_ so all you'll have to do is update the git repo and the changes will come in with no intervention 18:41 wizzyrea_ on a schedule 18:41 wizzyrea_ when it's perfect I will make it automatic 18:39 wizzyrea_ and I'm tied up all afternoon with holds system testing 18:39 wizzyrea_ so I have to figure out how to tell the script to ignore those errors, or make the threshold higher 18:39 wizzyrea_ but the docbook2html chokes on some of your characters, and that's why it's not complete 18:39 wizzyrea_ no, not much to do to help out, unless you can procure extra time for me. I will look at it this weekend, nengard 18:37 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.8�C (10:34 AM PST on February 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). 18:37 brendan @wunder 93117 18:37 brendan morning chris 18:37 jwagner G'morning chris 18:37 sekjal morning, chris 18:36 chris morning 18:05 sekjal brb 17:38 sekjal I assume others will do the same, at least in large part 17:38 sekjal at least mine will 17:38 sekjal yes 17:38 owen_ sekjal: Will presentations be put online? 17:36 sekjal owen_: understand. sorry you can't make it, but there will be other code4libs, and other conferences 17:36 nengard wizzyrea_ where are we with getting the documentation updated on the new site? right now it's not the complete manual and it's not the most recent version. Is there anything I can do to help out? 17:35 owen_ I've been shirking all my non-Koha duties lately and now I've got to catch up 17:35 owen_ sekjal: I wish I could make it to code4Lib, but I can't 17:33 owen_ I'm back, I was just downstairs renaming our cataloging department "Bibliographic Processing and Control" 17:31 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #60 added. 17:31 gmcharlt @quote add <owen> "My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." 17:31 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 17:31 gmcharlt @quote remove 59 17:31 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #59 added. 17:31 sekjal owen: are you coming to Code4Lib? I owe you a Beverage if you are... 17:31 gmcharlt @quote add owen> "My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." 17:27 sekjal lol 17:26 owen "My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." 17:26 owen "Bib Control" That's great. 17:21 sekjal jwagner: yes, I do feel a little bad about that, but they know where to find me if they want to contract for support. 17:21 jwagner Wish we were, though. 17:21 jwagner I don't think so. Timing of other events kind of prevented us from making the travel plans. 17:20 gmcharlt jwagner: are any PTFSers going to Code4Lib? 17:19 jwagner Hmmm. Upgrade to new version and leave immediately :-) 17:17 sekjal I guess this can be considered my parting gift to them; today is my last day with NYUHSL 17:16 gmcharlt :) 17:16 sekjal some may feel so about our bibs, yes, but I think they're in good hands 17:16 sekjal they love the interface improvements to the Edit Items screen (no more scrolling every which way) 17:16 gmcharlt do your bibs often run amuck? 17:15 sekjal gmcharlt: yes 17:15 gmcharlt Bib Control? cataloging? 17:02 sekjal Bib Control is ecstatic 17:01 sekjal I just moved them to the latest and greatest this morning 17:01 gmcharlt sekjal++ 17:01 sekjal just wanted to pop in quick and let wizzyrea_ and gmcharlt (and everyone else) know that NYUHSL is committed to being live on 3.2 beta 17:00 chris_n bbiab 17:00 sekjal hi! 17:00 pianohackr|work hey ian 17:00 chris_n sekjal even 17:00 chris_n heya sekja 17:00 chris_n I discovered my production db instance was not built with the InnoDB engine and all my tables were MyISAM 16:59 pianohackr|work eh. What happened? 16:59 chris_n pianohackr|work: sounds like my day yesterday 16:53 owen However, you can use software like VirtualBox to run Linux in a virtual machine on your windows machine 16:53 owen gatchen: there is no up-to-date version of Koha that works on Windows at the moment 16:52 gatchen owen 16:51 gatchen yess 16:51 owen Welcome back gatchen 16:50 gatchen hi all 16:50 * jwagner snickers at the geek thing. I am not worthy! 16:48 jwagner gmcharlt, thanks. Just wanted to confirm. 16:48 gmcharlt jwagner: correct - QueryRemoveStopwords doesn't need to be on if you're using Zebra 16:47 gmcharlt jwagner: riffing on something you mentioned earlier - http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html 16:35 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: production beta 3.2? no - glad Colin has found a guinea pig :) 16:16 magnus_away ouch... 16:15 pianohackr|work Really, nothing makes a morning like walking into a recurring kernel panic on your production koha server 16:03 jwagner Somebody doublecheck me -- the QueryRemoveStopwords syspref is only relevant if you AREN'T using zebra, correct? 15:54 jwagner if I'm reading that right, that's something you'd like to build in, but isn't present yet? 15:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3382 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Add classes to XSLT results and detail displays to facilitate CSS styling 15:53 owen jwagner: Bug 3382 15:51 paul_p (although a little bit risky imo...) 15:51 jwagner owen, speaking of jquery :-) does it work on XSLT labels? I didn't see how offhand. 15:51 paul_p Colin++ 15:45 Colin thats live real soon now 15:45 Colin We've just trained a site on 3.2 alpha going soon real soon now 15:38 owen wizzyrea: Do you mean people who have said they'd go into production with 3.2 once it was in beta? 15:32 wizzyrea if that makes sense 15:32 wizzyrea gmcharlt do you have anyone who has committed to production beta 3.2? 15:31 rhcl2 is thd the only sysop? 15:29 jwagner But for the future.... 15:29 jwagner No great rush -- I have too much else to do right now anyway. 15:29 wizzyrea (web work day, actually) 15:29 wizzyrea jwagner: i'll try to create the page right now, but then have to run off to a training session 15:29 jwagner I don't speak wiki enough to create such a page, but if someone else can set it up, I can add some of mine. 15:28 jwagner I'll be putting together such a list for our internal sites but most of it would be useful for others. 15:27 wizzyrea oh, that's a really good idea 15:27 jwagner Suggestion for the wiki -- we have the sample SQL page, maybe we should have a sample jquery page. Here's what I wanted to do, here's the command that worked. 15:27 wizzyrea and owen for his most excellent kohacon presentation 15:26 wizzyrea there's just no reason to change the template, and I owe all of that realization to owen and gmcharlt (poor gmcharlt had to deal with us before we were using jquery and was so gentle in his suggestion to try jquery) 15:26 jwagner Now I need to do the same for other sites -- figure out what I hardcoded that could be replaced by a jquery instead. It's gonna make upgrading SO much easier in the future. 15:25 wizzyrea yea, I have a Zillion of them in ours 15:25 jwagner I'm in the middle of an upgrade from a site installed a year ago -- jquery has saved me about 16-17 template customizations at latest count. 15:25 wizzyrea it's like magic 15:25 wizzyrea or, had occasion to use it more 15:24 wizzyrea I love jquery. I wish I used it more. 15:24 jwagner But I have to brag a little on my jquery geekdom -- used owen's example of how to hide the first/last table column, and figured out how to hide, say, the 6th column :-) 15:22 * jwagner wonders if there are official levels of geekdom 15:21 wizzyrea but thank you for promoting me :) 15:21 wizzyrea paul_p: I think you mean "Wizzyrea is now a Koha geek" because my geek flag has been flown high for quite a while now... just not in Git/Perl/Koha lol 15:21 sekjal probably something local, if no one else has noticed this, but still a major hassle for my colleagues 15:20 sekjal Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/labels/label-item-search.pl line 129. 15:20 sekjal whenever I do a search for items to add, I get a software error back 15:20 sekjal I'm probably the only one getting this, but does anyone else have an issue with Label Creator and adding items to a batch? 15:19 paul_p wizzyrea is now a geek : "i just pull them", said like "I bought the bread" :D 15:19 gmcharlt hopefully not too much (more than normal, anyway :) ) 15:19 wizzyrea so we should expect a little wierdness, perhaps? 15:18 wizzyrea we will look closely this afternoon :) 15:18 wizzyrea I think I just pulled them 15:18 sekjal paul_p: ugh, that sounds horrid. 15:18 gmcharlt wizzyrea: pushed a bunch of holds patches - none of which yet fix the transiting issues, but aiming to close the queue of functionality changes before working on the bugfixes 15:18 paul_p (and, of course, zebra error messages are really hard to deal with...) 15:17 paul_p yesterday, two of us lost 4 hours on a new setup... just because zebra has been setup zebra 1.x :'((((( 15:14 jwagner hacking as in the axe murderer scenario? I'm about ready to do that on one of our setups :-( 15:11 wizzyrea *yawn* how goes the koha hacking today 15:11 jwagner good morning wizzyrea 15:10 wizzyrea good morning 14:37 jwagner I was afraid of that :-( Thanks. 14:37 gmcharlt rental charge 14:37 jwagner On the list of checkouts in the patron record (Details and Checkout tab), what does the Charge column refer to? Rental charge? Fine? 14:31 owen Thanks gmcharlt I'll try that. 14:31 gmcharlt in reserve/request.pl 14:31 gmcharlt owen: nengard: re 2970, I don't think that's a huge deal - certainly not worth removing the permission - but perhaps setting the flagsrequired to reserveforothers => '*' will get you what you want 14:30 nengard be back later 14:30 nengard k - time to give a webinar 14:28 gmcharlt jwagner: yes, that's another piece of the puzzle 14:28 jwagner Does that help with your issue? 14:27 jwagner This is one of the items that we should be sending out soon (once we get it updated to current head). 14:27 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3474 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Handling of and report for expired or cancelled holds, display expiration dates 14:27 jwagner Did you look at Bug 3474? 14:26 nengard yes 14:26 jwagner nengard and gmcharlt, I missed a lot of the discussion, but you're talking about expiring holds? 14:25 nengard i agree - so we either need to remove the permission or make it work :) 14:24 owen It doesn't really make sense to give someone permission to modify holds but not to place them 14:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2970 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Create a permission for modifying holds priority 14:24 owen nengard: I agree with your comment on Bug 2970, but I'm not sure how to better handle that case 14:23 gmcharlt correct 14:23 nengard just to confirm 14:23 nengard ah - okay - so this cron only works if an expiration date has been set for a hold - and right now that is only done at the time the hold is placed? 14:22 nengard off to do that 14:21 nengard but I did not try a hold request 14:21 nengard i have last night's patches :) 14:21 gmcharlt when it's created - may I suggest that you go install last night's patches first and try testing placing a hold request? 14:20 nengard gmcharlt - how do we set an expiration date for a hold? 14:20 gmcharlt circ/waitingreserves.pl handles that 14:19 gmcharlt not the same thing as the case that would be handled by ReservesMaxPickUpDelay, which would need a report of items that should be taken off the holds shelf 14:19 gmcharlt it's cancelling unfilled hold requests that have an explicit expiration date 14:18 nengard gmcharlt - can you tell me what preference controls that cron job - how does it know when to cancel a hold? 14:18 nengard if so then the description for that pref is wrong - can anyone confirm? 14:15 nengard oh - is it: ReservesMaxPickUpDelay 14:15 nengard what controls when a hold is canceled - i thought it was a sys pref, but I don't see it 14:02 sekjal hi, gatchen 14:02 gatchen anybody here 14:01 gatchen hello 13:47 gmcharlt http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blobdiff;f=misc/cronjobs/crontab.example;h=33845a80a208a1f51908543725f977207ba48f8b;hp=bdb58f70a1f99a81a452342a97a7076910b8a08b;hb=21c7f786bf6b0d23fba69d9def05e1fe47010287;hpb=57869cb439b5956ca3aa7bca6f4d1555a11c8089 13:47 gmcharlt check crontab.example in one of last few commits - there's a new job to cancel expired holds 13:46 nengard :) we'll see in a few hours I guess 13:46 chris_n it should 13:46 nengard k - done - so the rest is okay? will this rebuild search and calculate fines and populate the holds resports -- aka - everything that doesn't require email 13:43 chris_n top 13:43 nengard does it matter? 13:43 nengard where do i put those lines 13:43 nengard ah 13:43 gmcharlt crontab -e edits it 13:43 nengard okay - so where is my crontab so I can edit it? crontab -l just shows me the contents 13:42 gmcharlt replace '/home/liblime' with the correct path, of course 13:42 gmcharlt KOHA_CONF=/home/liblime/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml 13:42 gmcharlt PERL5LIB=/home/liblime/kohaclone 13:42 gmcharlt nengard: if that's the entirity of your cron tab, you may also be missing 13:42 chris_n -z does not seem to work here, but I've not taken the time to debug it 13:41 chris_n but that is a problem if you have too many bibs/items 13:41 chris_n change -z to -r 13:41 nengard search and authorities 13:41 nengard I'd just be happy if search rebuilt on its own 13:41 nengard chris_n - cause I don't have email working :) 13:41 chris_n nengard: no overdue_notices.pl in your crontab 13:40 collum owen gets more stats 13:40 gmcharlt ;) 13:40 nengard keywords?? 13:40 gmcharlt owen: congratulations! you have now figured out how libraries can be relevant in a web 2.0 world! 13:40 owen I'm not sure what they get out of it 13:40 htaccess gmcharlt: thanks, ill have a look at 2505 and go from there 13:40 nengard wierd 13:39 owen someone spamming... something in my catalog? 13:39 gmcharlt #2 or #3 are better (one issue per file or one issue per directory) 13:39 owen I found this via a google alert for my library's name: http://twitter.com/JohnHeals/status/9286997546 13:39 htaccess Fix multiple different issues in a single file as a single patch 13:39 htaccess Fix one issue all files in one directory as a single patch 13:39 htaccess Fix one issue in one file as a single patch 13:39 htaccess Fix one issue universally as one big patch 13:39 htaccess In terms of the actual patches should I: 13:38 nengard gmcharlt - nothing in /var/log/messages 13:38 gmcharlt and use the existing perltidyrc - it's xt/perltidyrc 13:38 htaccess actually: 13:38 htaccess gmcharlt: defintly 13:38 gmcharlt if you want to focus on whitespace cleanup, that's fine, but please don't mix whitespace and bugfixes in the same patch 13:37 htaccess gmcharlt: ok that sounds sensible 13:37 gmcharlt build up a few kudos before announcing any grand plans :) 13:37 gmcharlt well, you can certainly bring it up on the list, but I think a better start would be to pick a few small bugs and submit patches for them first 13:36 pastebot "nengard" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "crontab" (28 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/3 13:36 htaccess gmcharlt: no not to koha 13:36 gmcharlt to Koha, that is 13:36 gmcharlt htaccess: have you submitted patches before? 13:35 gmcharlt nengard: run crontab -l 13:35 htaccess gmcharlt: would you suggest bringing up the issue on the list? 13:35 gmcharlt and he's done quite well 13:35 nengard okay - it's been a while since I did this ... remind me where my crontab is :) 13:35 gmcharlt Garry Collum has been sending a number of patches for that, but there are still lots of scripts that need it 13:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts 13:34 gmcharlt a good starting point might be bug 2505 (adding the use warnings pragma) 13:34 htaccess i have forked http://github.com/ranginui/koha and am keen to get busy but thought i should sound out the community 13:34 gmcharlt htaccess: start small, don't try to rebuild the world in one go :) 13:34 nengard will do 13:34 gmcharlt nengard: please paste your crontab; also check /var/log/messages to see if cron is reporting anything amiss 13:33 htaccess but dont want to step on any toes 13:33 gmcharlt cool 13:33 nengard can someone help me get some cron jobs set up? I thought I did it right, but I must have missed a step or have a syntax error - cause they're not running (I'm on debian) 13:33 htaccess gmcharlt: i would be keen on being involved 13:33 gmcharlt there was some discussion of perltidy and do a mass whitespace cleanup when we branch 3.4 13:33 htaccess gmcharlt: yes i am subbed 13:32 htaccess Don't needlessly refactor code, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! Don't waste time on changing style from someone else's style to your's! If you must refactor, make sure that the commit for the refactoring is completely separate from a bugfix, etc. 13:32 htaccess Refactoring Code 13:32 gmcharlt are you subscribed to koha-devel ? 13:32 htaccess but i notice you say here http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines 13:32 gmcharlt htaccess: sure 13:32 htaccess cf http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/ 13:32 htaccess im wondering if the koha community would value a janitor? 13:31 htaccess im curious, looking at the koha code i notice there is a lot of inconsistency for example tabs and spaces for whitespace, trailing whitespace, cuddled elses and many things contra to 'perl best practices', is there any desire to fix this stuff or is it a case of 'if it aint broke' ? 13:29 gmcharlt hi owen 13:21 owen Hi 13:21 chris_n heya owen 13:20 chris_n gmcharlt: gmail patch resubmitted 13:04 chris_n k, I'll do it 13:04 gmcharlt another thought occurs - let's stick them into C4::Installer::Deps or C4::Installer::PerlModules 13:04 gmcharlt chris_n: 3.2, but also please include have about.pl get its list of modules from C4::Installer 13:03 htaccess gmcharlt: thanks 13:02 chris_n or 3.4 13:02 chris_n gmcharlt: would you like for me to implement your recommendations on moving the deps list and resubmit for 3.2? 13:02 gmcharlt htaccess: chris@bigballofwax.co.nz 13:02 htaccess yes, chris cormack 13:01 chris_n :) 13:01 * gmcharlt notes that occassionally that hasn't stopped him from doing so at times :/ 13:01 gmcharlt chris_n: yeah, I'd like to avoid pushing syntax errors :) 13:00 gmcharlt chris cormack? 13:00 htaccess does chris c have a koha email address? 13:00 chris_n gmcharlt: it seems this one should not (I need to resubmit to correct a syntax error) 12:59 chris_n yeah, a docbook2pdf converter discovered them on my side 12:59 gmcharlt chris_n: generally speaking, I'll be pushing 3.4 enhancements patches to 3.2 only if they are self-evidently won't break something else 12:58 nengard in the case of that message - i actually found those errors and had fixed them - sometimes i forget to check my validation in XMLEditor 12:58 chris_n nengard: will do 12:57 chris_n gmcharlt: I was not sure how much enh stuff you wanted in 3.2 hence my 3.4 subject line 12:56 jwagner gmcharlt, thanks. 12:55 nengard and that was the email i meant to put DOCS in the subject or something to make me notice it 12:55 chris_n tnx even 12:55 chris_n tn 12:54 * chris_n needs to rebase that 12:54 chris_n right 12:54 nengard I think your changes are in the manual now 12:54 nengard chris_n -- regarding this: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-February/005574.html 12:54 chris_n and I see a syntax error... 12:54 gmcharlt chris_n: no, not yet 12:54 chris_n nengard: it needs the coding changes 12:53 nengard Oh!! Yeah 12:53 chris_n gmcharlt: I don't see that that ^^ was pushed 12:53 chris_n nengard: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-February/005572.html 12:52 gmcharlt jwagner: import_biblios.matched_biblionumber -> import_records -> import_batch 12:51 chris_n hmm.... I'm missing it 12:50 jwagner Question on tracing catalog records -- Is there any way starting from the bib record in Koha to tell what import batch loaded it? With several hundred batches in the list, it's not feasible to try to look through each one to find the title. 12:49 nengard chris_n - the email librarian patch? cause Galen pushed it last night 12:49 gmcharlt chris_n: no, the patch to the koha manual you did 12:49 chris_n I'll send you a link in a moment 12:49 chris_n nengard: this was submitted as an enhancement for 3.4 so I'm not sure it will make it into 3.2 12:48 nengard chris_n and all - when you send emails for documentation to patches can you put DOCUMENTATION or DOCS or something in the subject so I catch it?? I missed your last one chris_n - but I"ll get those changes in there 12:46 chris_n om 12:46 chris_n to patches@ 12:46 nengard chris_n - where???? 12:46 chris_n nengard: I submitted a how to for setting up gmail as an smtp 12:45 chris_n nengard: it works, I have it running here nightly 12:45 * jwagner debates the inevitable collisions when everyone thinks their locale is the center of the universe 12:45 * jdavidb just barely speaks English, he's been told. 12:43 paul_p things would be so easier if : 1-everyone spoke french 2-live at UTC :D 12:43 paul_p the problem with universe/multiverse is that we don't know who is at morning, who is at evening, who is sleeping, who is at lunch, who is at dinner... 12:42 jwagner Nah, too much trouble.... 12:42 jwagner Maybe our default greeting should be Hello Universe or Multiverse? 12:41 Colin and dimensions beyond our ken 12:40 jwagner And the Martians, and the Venusians? 12:40 gmcharlt not expansive enough, what about the poor Selenes? ;) 12:39 * jwagner thinks paul_p is feeling pretty expansive today ;-) 12:39 paul_p hi jwagner & jdavidb & nengard & all america world 12:38 gmcharlt hi Colin jwagner jdavidb 12:38 jwagner Morning. 12:38 jdavidb Hi, Colin! :) 12:37 Colin Morning all 12:33 nengard now i just have to figure out how to get email working on this darn virtualbox ... maybe someone could write up a tutorial for that?? 12:33 nengard awesome 12:33 nengard well there it is!! :) 12:30 nengard oh! yeah :) got it 12:30 gmcharlt but looking at the table with mysql will at least show that the message is ready to go once you start running the cronjob and get email working :) 12:30 gmcharlt yeah 12:28 nengard i don't have that cron running either ;) 12:25 gmcharlt it puts the message in message_queue, so you can look at the table to at least see that the message was added 12:25 nengard morning!! :) 12:25 gmcharlt morning nengard 12:19 nengard can someone test the fix for: emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced -- I don't have email working on my test system yet 12:19 nengard morning all! 10:28 Amit hi magnus, galen 10:26 gmcharlt hi Amit 10:26 magnus oups... hi Amit 10:26 magnus ho Amit 10:17 Amit hi all 10:12 magnus hm, guess i need to pass out more chocolate... 10:11 munin magnus: Karma for "magnus" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 10:11 magnus @karma magnus 10:11 gmcharlt magnus++ 10:11 magnus virtual "Freia melkesjokolade" (norwegian milk chocolate) for everyone! 10:10 magnus woohoo! ;-) 10:10 chris magnus: gmcharlt pushed the patch, you're official :) 10:09 chris translate.koha.org currently points to my server where pootle lives, so if we cant get that pointed to where fredericd wants it, we might need to do translate.koha-community.org 10:04 gmcharlt yep 10:02 chris we can discuss it then 10:02 chris yep, there is a meeting 2nd march 09:59 gmcharlt yeah 09:59 magnus as i recall it we were just about to give up on LL when the PTFS-thing was announced, so i would guess we are back at that point now... 09:57 gmcharlt paul_p: yeah, I guess one way would be for Jo and HLT so say that they're officially giving up and recommend moving to koha-community.org 09:57 paul_p because, of course, we have no hope to retrieve Koha.org - at least until LL goes bankrupt - 09:56 gmcharlt magnus: cool 09:56 paul_p who takes the ball on this matter ? hlt/jransom ? 09:55 magnus value_builders + there are some places that assume unimarc as the default, i thought i'd to send an email to the devel-list on how i should handle those 09:55 paul_p mmm... about koha.org => shouldn't we decide to move definetly to koha-community.org ? 09:54 magnus gmcharlt: both 09:54 gmcharlt magnus: your normarc work - is it a set of framework SQL, or do you also have code changes? 09:53 gmcharlt of course, I can see how the koha.org vs. koha-community.org thing could make someone rather unsure where to redirect to 09:52 paul_p gmcharlt: yep 09:52 paul_p 'morning gmcharlt 09:52 gmcharlt paul_p: chris: arg - hopefully that website change is just a glitch 09:50 chris gmcharlt: he did volunteer after friday drinks at work, .. but it's in the logs now :) 09:50 gmcharlt [but /me likes cuddled elses and doesn't understand anybody who doesn't ;) ] 09:49 gmcharlt htaccess: welcome future code janitor! 09:49 chris that'd do it 09:49 gmcharlt eh, too much caffeine last night 09:46 chris wow you are awake early gmcharlt 09:46 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 09:45 gmcharlt good morning 09:00 magnus oh, yeah, i have a hard time keeping my install of head up to date :-) 09:00 CGI833 is any one here? 09:00 CGI833 hi all 09:00 chris we only have a few more blockers left 08:59 chris its getting very close, galen has been pushing patches like crazy :) 08:59 chris *nod* 08:59 magnus i'm sort of waiting for 3.2 to be "finished", so the normarc work can go into 3.4, if the RM sees fit 08:58 magnus cool! 08:56 chris with your normarc work, we should be able to add libriotech to the about page soon :) 08:55 magnus yup, that's me! ;-) 08:53 chris 102 :) 08:52 magnus thanks 08:51 chris done 08:48 magnus great - i'm ever so slightly proud of having my name added to that list... :-) 08:47 chris hehe ill add that right now 08:46 magnus btw, chris, you forgot what is probably the tinyest patch in the history of koha in your recent update to history.txt: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=8c62c84ac2f4874cd57430120f3f8bb2c839b7f5 ;-) 08:44 magnus ah, i see 08:42 chris i added it to the agenda for the next irc meetng, so we can come up with some tasks 08:41 chris cleans up bad styles, badly named scripts/variables etc 08:40 magnus nice, what does the koha janitor do? ;-) 08:39 chris on to happier news, we have a volunteer to be koha janitor 08:36 chris maybe you could mention it in passing if you get the chance, it would be nice of them to point it at koha-community.org 08:35 chris anyway, this not fruitful, because the person we should be talking to about is not here :) 08:34 chris sure, but that's their problem, not mine 08:34 paul_p chris: yes, and me too. But it's not the case for everyone. 08:33 chris im not going to suspend ethics for monetary concerns, ever 08:33 chris im concerned with ethical behaviour, thats why i work on free software 08:33 paul_p chris: right (that's the term I was looking for) 08:32 chris and i dont suggest demanding, i suggest asking if they made a mistake 08:32 chris its philosophy and ethics not evangelism 08:31 paul_p don't misunderstand me : the url problem is a real one. But sometimes it's better to create a good relationship before saying "hey, you made a mistake". At KohaCon, all the ppl we met from PTFS were nice, friendly and we had frankly discussion with them. So, I think instead we should avoid "firing" at JY and try the "friendly" approach. (and the business one : definetly, he's a business man, he's not concerned by FOSS evangelism) 08:31 chris and i dont see it as a reason for me to stop commenting 08:27 chris frankly thats his call 08:27 paul_p I suspect J Yokley is already "annoyed" by what happends with the acquisition. He is willing to speak with us (BibLibre), I would be disappointed if I meet someone saying : "you're all mad in koha project : LL & everybody else. You're annoying me with very minor details. So, I'll do my path myself, good bye" 08:26 chris if someone is going to be hostile, we should move on sooner rather than later 08:26 chris im not prepared to wait for years while they make a mess 08:26 chris im not making the same mistake we made with liblime 08:25 chris but i do find it interesting they have just recently changed it 08:24 chris of course we dont 08:24 paul_p and in this case, we have strictly NO WAY to prevent them to use kohails of whatever they want. 08:24 chris if it wasnt a mistake, we see their strategy already 08:24 chris sure, but if it was a mistake they could fix it pretty easy 08:24 paul_p if we upset them, we may finish with 3 path, the "PTFS one". 08:23 paul_p there are 2 known koha strategies today : the "community" one, and the "LibLime" one. For PTFS we don't know what are they plan. 08:23 paul_p chris: OK, more details : 08:22 chris what the hell did we complain for the first time then? 08:22 magnus might be taken more seriously than if it comes from a competitor? 08:22 chris its harmless? 08:22 paul_p chris not sure it's a good idea. it's harmless imho, and we are in the middle of a strategic path. 08:22 magnus someone from hlt, perhaps? 08:21 chris so someone else might want to email and ask if htey could fix it up please 08:21 chris might be, so far my emails have been ignored 08:21 paul_p magnus: yes it is (apache config) 08:21 chris kohaconsultants.com still redirects to koha.org .. kohails.org no longer does 08:21 magnus hm, could it be a slip of the apache config? 08:20 chris it was kohaconsultants.com and kohails.org that we said shouldnt point to that 08:20 chris yep, thats fine, we said that was ok 08:18 paul_p oups. I mean : still here & still the same content 08:18 paul_p koha.ptfs is still here & points to koha.ptfs.com 08:17 paul_p hi world. 08:16 chris yeah, fairly recent change, it used to redirect to koha.org .. they must have just changed it 08:15 magnus ooops... 08:13 chris well yeah, that was the original reason they werent listed, then the fixed it, .. step backwards 08:12 chilts hmm, by PTFS too ... not good 08:11 chris and by interesting i mean very disappointing 08:11 chris http://www.kohails.org/ 08:11 chris interesting 07:30 chris_n what's left of it anyway 07:30 chris_n g'night 07:30 * chris_n heads off to sleep 06:44 chris nice weather today, and its friday evening, so all good 06:43 Ropuch And how's NZ? 06:43 Ropuch It's quite warm 06:43 Ropuch Well, not bad 06:41 chris hi Ropuch, how's poland today? 06:40 Ropuch Morning #koha 06:35 chris yeah, theres certainly no shortage 06:33 htaccess well theres plenty of cleanup to do within files so ill leave that 06:32 chris but could live with any of them 06:31 chris i prefer file_name 06:30 chris if you want you could add that to the to be decided section, and cast a vote one way or the other 06:30 htaccess file-name vs file_name of fileName 06:30 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines&s[]=coding&s[]=guidelines#to_be_decided 06:29 chris not a strict one, actually thats a good point 06:29 htaccess filname 06:29 htaccess do you have a name convention? 06:28 chris yep 06:28 htaccess but file at random: koha/tools/batchMod.pl 06:27 htaccess but yea you need a mandate 06:27 chris :) 06:27 htaccess chris: after having a look about I _so_ want to be a koha janitor 06:26 chris there we go, it's on the agenda now 06:24 htaccess cool 06:24 chris march 3, ill put it on the agenda for then 06:23 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10mar03 06:23 htaccess but after a quick look it seems therre is plenty of x to do 06:23 * chris looks up when the next meeting is 06:23 chris *nod* 06:22 htaccess and then i will go do x 06:22 htaccess yea i would like to have a mandate to do x 06:22 chris maybe we should organise a little irc meeting, or put it on the agenda for the next general irc meeting, be good to get Colin (the QA manager) and Galen (current release manager) involved in the discussion 06:21 htaccess pretty much it looks like you need a janitor :) 06:21 chris cool 06:21 htaccess but in general it looks fun 06:21 chris yeah 06:20 htaccess lots of this: $itemdata=GetItem($itemnumber); 06:19 htaccess but theres loys of stuff 06:19 htaccess like should i do a commit for _all_ trailing whitespace? 06:19 htaccess chris: ive been having a look, we should have a chat about howto approcach things 06:16 chris htaccess: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines 06:03 jairuz what could be the problem? 06:03 jairuz my problem is i cant access the librarian module of koha 06:03 jairuz i recently installed koha 2.2.5 'coz i have no luck migrating our data from 2.2.3 to 3.0. 06:01 htaccess i see plenty of cuddled elses and _lots_ of tabs 06:01 htaccess whats the coding style url? 06:00 htaccess looks like theres plenty of fun for a janitor 06:00 htaccess chris: forked your github 05:43 CGI933 could any one help me? 05:34 CGI933 . 05:34 CGI933 ? 05:28 CGI933 nouman@lumhs-b70715be2:/usr/share/koha$ bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied]14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109 05:27 CGI933 is any one help me? 05:16 CGI933 nouman@lumhs-b70715be2:/usr/share/koha$ bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied]14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109 05:16 CGI933 I have following problem in FAST index 05:16 CGI933 hi all 03:45 Amit heya chris_n, chris 03:45 chris_n heya Amit 03:27 Amit hi all 02:57 brendan wow shootouts for hockey 02:55 * chris_n needs 'SHOULD' to be in flashing red type 02:54 chris_n my bad 02:54 chris_n opps 02:54 chris_n Illegal date specified (year = 1952, month = 1, day = 00) at t/Dates.t line 65 02:54 chris_n Illegal date specified (year = 1952, month = 1, day = 00) at t/Dates.t line 62 02:54 chris_n Illegal date specified (year = 1952, month = 1, day = 0) at t/Dates.t line 62 02:54 chris_n # 02:54 chris_n # Testing Legacy Functions: format_date and format_date_in_iso 02:54 gmcharlt chris_n: is it failing for you? 02:53 brendan chunks-- 02:53 brendan heh 02:53 chris_n man t/Dates.t still blows chunks 02:52 brendan and pretty smiles 02:52 brendan seen some Canadians with black eyes 02:52 chris_n or heads? 02:52 chris_n any broken sticks yet? 02:51 brendan 2-2 overtime 02:51 brendan good SUI-CAN hockey game on 02:51 chris_n how about yourself? 02:50 brendan awesome 02:50 chris_n great 02:50 brendan how goes it 02:50 brendan heya chris_n 02:50 brendan heh yup 02:49 chris_n panoramic... that is hilarious :-O 02:49 chris_n lol 02:49 munin brendan: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 12:24 PM, August 06, 2009) 02:49 brendan @quote random 02:02 chris_n bye 02:02 chris cya later 02:02 brendan cya all later :) 02:01 brendan I'm in the same time zone but I can't see finishes of races until about 4 hours after they are done 02:00 brendan yeah US coverage is usually very horrible 02:00 chris on my cable plan 02:00 chris we have 4 channels dedicated to it 02:00 chris im betting so 01:55 * gmcharlt is willing to bet that the WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD is getting better coverage of the Olympics than we are in the US 01:52 ebegin Doh! 2-2... :\ 01:37 ebegin russ, Oh yes... 01:36 russ that is much closer than the womens game 01:35 ebegin OT: 2-1 Canada-Switzerland Men Ice Hockey 01:26 richard sometimes i just forget ;) 01:26 chris no ib in here 01:26 chris heh 01:26 richard oops 01:26 richard wcl? 01:24 chris_n ;) 01:24 chris_n I figure they just should have called you galen 01:24 gmcharlt darn - missed it, and I was even in the area, more or less :) 01:23 chris heh 01:23 chris_n bad news in Georgia for koha: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/02/18/us/AP-US-ODD-Runaway-Zebra-Atlanta.html 00:49 munin chris: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 03:05 PM, February 09, 2010) 00:49 chris @quote random 00:26 chris that looks atbout right 00:25 braedon|work ahh, this one looks better http://www.google.com/profiles/108210250488836096108#buzz 00:24 chris nope :) 00:23 braedon|work no double life as a photographer? 00:23 chris http://nz.linkedin.com/in/chriscormack <-- that too 00:22 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/ is me 00:22 braedon|work just thought i would check 00:22 braedon|work :) 00:22 chris no 00:21 braedon|work is this you? http://www.chriscormack.com/ 00:19 chris like linkedin, friendfeed, knol, etc 00:19 chris (buzz does) 00:19 braedon|work it doesn't seem to want to give me the associated email addresses, without following 00:19 chris yeah it grabs stuff from everywhere 00:19 braedon|work two "Senior Developer at Catalyst - Wellington," - One "New Zealand", the other "NZ" 00:18 chris cepting to login to the kohacon site 00:18 chris i never use the @gmail one 00:18 chilts would the real Chris please stand up? 00:18 braedon|work three "Chris Cormack"s come up 00:18 chris one hosted and one @gmail 00:17 braedon|work do you have multiple gmail accounts? 00:17 chris who knows, ive never looked 00:17 collum_ :) 00:16 braedon|work chris: do you have 2(possibly 3?) buzz profiles? 00:16 gmcharlt http://www.flickr.com/photos/gmcharlt/sets/72157602776641761/ 00:16 gmcharlt as does one of mine :) 00:15 chris_n hehe 00:15 * collum_ would be glad to lend his cat. But it doesn't bounce. It plops. 00:14 brendan :) 00:14 gmcharlt brendan: Norcross this week 00:14 * gmcharlt thinks that every hotel ought to come with a cat or two 00:14 brendan bummer 00:14 munin brendan: Error: "locate" is not a valid command. 00:14 brendan @locate gmcharlt 00:14 gmcharlt alas, no kitties in my hotel room 00:13 chris_n ;) 00:13 gmcharlt sorry for bouncing in and out, setting up a proxy 00:13 chris_n cats tripping over your network cable? 00:13 gmcharlt hi chris_n 00:13 chris_n wb gmcharlt 00:12 chris [off] he needs to realise the way to drive a project, is do work, not tell others what to work on 00:11 chris_n [off] chris: I agree, Yokley does sound ownership hungry 00:09 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 5.0�C (7:01 PM EST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 00:09 chris_n @wunder 28334