Time Nick Message 00:26 gmcharlt @quote random 00:26 munin gmcharlt: Quote #31: "<@gmcharlt> but hacking Koha *should* be a restful part of any vacation ;)" (added by chris at 07:31 PM, September 02, 2009) 00:28 gmcharlt thd-away: if you're around, looks like we lost most of our ops - could you /op me and chris and hdl_laptop , etc? 00:28 chris @later tell thd-away looks like we lost most of our ops - could you /op me and chris and hdl_laptop 00:28 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 00:28 chris @later tell thd looks like we lost most of our ops - could you /op me and chris and hdl_laptop 00:28 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 00:28 chris there we go :) 00:29 * gmcharlt contemplates the lack of topic sadly 00:49 braedon|work gmcharlt: just after you left before: 00:49 braedon|work "if people want it, perhaps we could create a koha project/team on launchpad, and copy them to a more official PPA there?" 00:49 braedon|work thoughts? (since you are handling the dependencies bug) 00:50 gmcharlt braedon|work: sounds good as long as we don't accidently split the Koha bugs database by enabling bug reporting on the launchpad project 00:51 gmcharlt (at least, absent some community desire to move away from bugzilla) 00:52 braedon|work gmcharlt: ok, i will look into it 00:52 braedon|work really need to get a few more people testing what i have build so far first 00:52 * gmcharlt suggests that you put out a call for testers on koha-devel 00:54 braedon|work or someone who actually knows what they are doing with debian package building - that would be great. I am just using the default package build by dh-make-perl 00:54 braedon|work hmm, koha-devel - there is a thought 00:54 braedon|work i shall do that 00:55 gmcharlt Vincent Danjean has made a go of working on Debian packaging for Koha every now and again, and I think he takes requests to help package Perl modules 00:56 gmcharlt slef is active in Debian as well; I think he's a DD 01:04 braedon|work ok, thanks 01:05 braedon|work is he likely to respond to a general request on koha-devel? or will i have to get in touch with him directly? 01:05 gmcharlt slef? he'll likely respond if he has time, but doesn't hurt to ask him directly 01:06 braedon|work sorry, Vincent Danjean 01:14 gmcharlt he might notice, but you're more likely to get his attention by contacting him directly 02:54 chris_n wow, mass exodus of ops here :) 03:03 angie hello Koha community! 03:09 braedon|work ahoy 03:12 braedon|work well fine then 03:13 richard heh 03:21 braedon|work Ahoy! 03:26 Amit hi all 03:27 ebegin chris, around? 03:28 ebegin Hi Amit! 03:31 ebegin Is there a way to get other languages from git? 03:43 gmcharlt ebegin: chris sends a pull request for languages every now and again, but the best way to get the most recent po is from Pootle 03:44 ebegin ok, but where we can find the translation for the installer? 03:47 angie hello there! 03:48 ebegin Hi angie! 03:49 angie any suggestion for accessing ebooks directly from koha opac? I'm coordinating a project for a public library in Eritrea and we are searching for the best solution to give access to books in pdf and to catalog them 03:50 angie hi ebegin! 03:51 ebegin do you have to manage the DRM? 03:51 chris put them on a webserver somewhere, then catalogue them in koha, and add a link to where they live in the 856u tag 03:51 chris (you could put them in a digital library system even, and link to their url in there) 03:51 angie no drm issues 03:52 angie hi chris! what digital library system would you suggest? 03:52 ebegin ok. So the 856$u field is the place to put your URL to the PDFs as mentionned chris 03:53 chris angie: not sure, one that has persistent urls though :) 03:53 chris people seem to like dspace 03:53 chris http://www.dspace.org/ 03:53 chris http://kete.net.nz/ is another option 03:54 angie thank you very much 03:54 angie any experience with integrating koha with vufind? 03:54 chris not me 03:56 angie thank you very much Chris 03:57 angie and thank you ebegin 03:57 angie bye 03:58 ebegin bye 04:01 ebegin chris, are the .po file push on git everyday? 04:01 ebegin s/push/pushed 04:01 chris nope 04:01 chris i push the 3.0.x ones every so often to git.koha.org 04:01 chris but galen needs to pull from my translation branch for the 3.2 ones 04:02 chris its best to download them from translate.koha.org 04:03 chris i push to my backup repo, but not to git.koha.org (except for 3.0.x) 04:03 * chris has to go catch his bus, back in a bit 04:04 ebegin ok, thanks 04:06 ebegin It seems to have some junk info that was filled in the fr-CA translation. Anybody got this problem with other languages? 04:12 chris_n g'night 04:12 hdl_laptop ebegin: there is a test file for system preferences in xt 04:13 hdl_laptop (errr in fact two. 04:13 hdl_laptop One to check against the database, an other one to test against the sql files) 04:14 ebegin hdl_laptop, in xt? 04:14 hdl_laptop xt directory 04:14 hdl_laptop it is a test => .t file 04:15 ebegin oh, i see. I'll check that 05:25 CGI050 . 05:27 braedon|home , 05:42 ebegin ; 05:55 CGI190 hi all 05:55 CGI190 I have sent my problem on mailing list also but I dont understand yet 05:56 CGI190 I have problem that when I have add the catalogue, I cant see these in search catalogue 05:57 CGI190 how can I resolve this problem 05:57 CGI190 Im engage in this problem since one month but I cant resolve yer 05:57 CGI190 yet 06:29 CGI190 ? 06:33 CGI190 I have problem in catalogue search? could any one help me? 06:34 chris have you run rebuild_zebra.pl 06:35 chris from the install documentation 06:35 chris 1.2 Zebra Indexer 06:35 chris Add an entry in Koha user crontab to scheduled added/updated/deleted records 06:35 chris indexing by Zebra with this command: 06:35 chris <path/to/koha>/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a 06:38 CGI190 yeah I have follow all instruction koha-3.004_fixed in debian lenny 06:39 CGI190 when I want to add books, it work and z39.50 is also working but search from biblios is not working 06:39 CGI190 mean it do not show the catalogue which I saved in search but it is present when I want to see lists 06:39 chris so zebra is running, and you have a cron job set up to run rebuild_zebra? 06:41 CGI190 chris: how can I set? 06:41 chris look at the crontab.example file 06:41 * chris has to go bath his son 06:41 CGI190 where crontab.example is placed? 06:42 Amit heya nicomo 06:43 nicomo heya Amit 06:43 nicomo morning all 06:43 CGI190 chris: where contab.example file is it? 06:43 Amit CGI190: misc/cronjobs directory 06:44 CGI190 ok 06:59 CGI190 AMit: Im not getting yet plz sent me details 07:00 CGI190 amit: im not familar with linux so I see the problems and plz sent me book on linux basic commands which will help me regarding koha 08:04 chris any spanish speakers online? 08:05 chris http://tramullas.com/2010/02/17/koha-liblime-y-lo-que-no-hay-que-aceptar/ 08:06 paul_p hello world 08:07 paul_p chris: nahuel speaks spanish 08:09 chris google gives me an ok translation but some is a bit confusing 08:10 chris its interesting that the situation is being used as a case study now 08:19 nahuel hi 08:21 chris hi nahuel 09:55 CGI621 I have following problem 09:55 CGI621 misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -wbash: misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl: No such file or directory 09:55 CGI621 why it is not working 09:55 CGI621 FAST index 09:57 imp sounds like you are not inside your koha folder / checkout 09:57 CGI621 no Im inside koha folder 09:58 CGI621 Im at 'nouman@lumhs-b70715be2:~/koha-3.00.04_fixed$ ' 09:59 CGI621 when I check 'misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl' it is also present in folder 09:59 CGI621 . 10:02 CGI867 imp: what is the problem 10:02 CGI867 as I was disconnected 10:05 Ropuch CGI867: try misc/migration-tools/./rebuild_zebra.pl 10:06 CGI867 Ropuch 10:06 CGI867 nouman@lumhs-b70715be2:~/koha-3.00.04_fixed$ misc/migration-tools/./rebuild_zebra.pl 10:06 CGI867 it show 10:06 Ropuch With some options 10:06 CGI867 nouman@lumhs-b70715be2:~/koha-3.00.04_fixed$ misc/migration-tools/./rebuild_zebra.pl 10:07 CGI867 it also show bash 10:07 Ropuch Ok, first thing: you have Koha installed and you're in instalation directory? 10:08 Ropuch Not the dirwectory you're installing from 10:08 Ropuch That default is /usr/share/koha 10:08 CGI867 oh 10:09 Ropuch If you're running ubuntu/debian box, try http://bagno.be/zebra.txt 10:09 Ropuch get the file, chmod +x it and then sudo run it 10:09 CGI867 Im using debian-lenny 10:10 CGI867 Im now /usr/share/koha but still show same problem 10:11 Ropuch export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 10:11 Ropuch export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 10:11 CGI867 export has been done 10:11 CGI867 now? 10:11 Ropuch wget http://bagno.be/pliki/zebra.txt && chmod +x zebra.txt && sudo ./zebra.txt 10:11 Ropuch try this line 10:12 Ropuch If you're in the misc/migration-tools/ and want to run rebuild_zebra you have to add ./ 10:12 Ropuch ./rebuild_zebra.pl -all-options-you-want 10:13 CGI867 It is not working wget http://bagno.be/pliki/zebra.txt && chmod +x zebra.txt && sudo ./zebra.txt 10:14 Ropuch aaaa 10:14 Ropuch sorry 10:14 Ropuch wget http://bagno.be/zebra.txt && chmod +x zebra.txt && sudo ./zebra.txt 10:14 CGI867 what should I do 10:15 CGI867 . 10:15 CGI867 still show cant write premision denied 10:16 Ropuch wait 10:16 Ropuch You/re in /usr/share/koha? 10:16 CGI867 yes 10:16 Ropuch Ok 10:16 Ropuch Try cd ~/ 10:16 Ropuch And then above line 10:17 Ropuch You don;t have write permission as normaln user in /usr/share/koha 10:17 CGI867 it is working 10:17 CGI867 then what should i do 10:17 Ropuch CGI867: it depends on what you want ot do :) 10:18 Ropuch It's your first time installing koha? 10:18 CGI867 Actually catloging search from my system is not working 10:18 CGI867 Yeah It is first time.. actually Im new user of linux also 10:18 CGI867 so I want to run FAST index command 10:18 Ropuch Okidoki 10:19 CGI867 still when I want to run 'misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w' 10:19 CGI867 it show the error 10:19 Ropuch Try to add some records, then run sudo ./zebra.txt from your home directory after that 10:20 CGI867 I have add some records earlier copying from z39.50 search 10:21 CGI867 Ropuch: could u help me 10:21 Ropuch I'll try 10:21 Ropuch 11:20 < CGI867> it is working 10:22 CGI867 mean? 10:22 Ropuch So running the zebra.txt was succesful? 10:22 CGI867 Yeah it is succeful 10:23 Ropuch Hm 10:23 Ropuch Ok, Go to Administration > Global system preferences > OPAC 10:24 Ropuch And check the hidelostitems setting 10:25 CGI867 hidelostitems is selected OFF 10:26 CGI867 Ropuch: misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w is not still working 10:28 Ropuch CGI867: you can go to /sr/share/koha/misc/migration-tools , 10:28 Ropuch su -s or su root 10:28 CGI867 is it necessary to first run the import commands then FAST 10:28 CGI867 . 10:28 Ropuch I don't know actually 10:29 CGI867 I need only help cataloging search from my system 10:29 Ropuch When doing new testing intsall i run this zebra.txt script out of my laziness 10:29 Ropuch And it's laways working 10:29 Ropuch Huh, sorry for typos 10:30 CGI867 I also need help regarding virtual shelves 10:31 CGI867 I have created lists but when I want to add books. there is not show any value in combobox of virtual shelve 10:32 Ropuch Oh, I've just spotted this - you're working with outdated version of koha 10:32 Ropuch http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 10:33 Ropuch Go with current stable 10:33 CGI867 Hm 10:33 Ropuch You can upgfrade, but you can sudo rm -fr /usr/share/koha 10:33 CGI867 I am working on Koha-3.004_Fixed 10:33 Ropuch And to clean install 10:33 Ropuch CGI867: yes, latest stable is 3.00.05 10:34 CGI867 It is typical for me to again install 10:34 CGI867 bz I m not expert yet in linux and koha 10:34 Ropuch Community don't have acces to koha.org due to LibLime policy, so we can't update it 10:34 Ropuch CGI867: http://bagno.be/poradniki/instalacja-koha/ 10:34 Ropuch I've wrote step-by-step koha installing manual 10:35 Ropuch It;s in polish, but maybe google translate will do 10:35 CGI867 what is it? 10:35 Ropuch It's actually all about pasting the content of dashed boxes ;> 10:36 CGI867 Im not getting yet? 10:36 Ropuch Sorry? 10:36 CGI867 Im not understanding ur point 10:36 Ropuch I've wrote step-by-step tutorial of how to get Koha & zebra up & runnig 10:37 Ropuch All I'm saying is that maybe - if google translate can do the job - you may find it useful 10:37 Ropuch :) 10:38 Ropuch Nevermind - if you get the 3.00.05 installed and have eny problems - just ping me, if I'm around, I'll try to help 10:39 Ropuch bbiab 12:46 kf good morning gmcharlt and jwagner 12:46 jwagner Guten tag kf 12:46 gmcharlt greetings 13:07 chris_n g'morning 13:08 chris_n gmcharlt: should we not consider changing the engine for sessions and zebraqueue to MyISAM in kohastructure.sql? 13:08 gmcharlt chris_n: no reason why not to consider it, or at least write a README 13:09 gmcharlt there are a couple other things to do - there's a pending bug for CGI::Session to make it possible to pass the expiration time to the session storage that could use a little love 13:09 gmcharlt as would helping to finish the memached driver for CGI::Session 13:10 gmcharlt if you've got the RAM for it, using the memory storage engine for the sessions table would be another option 13:11 chris_n still, it seems that if there is no benefit from running it InnoDB, and it is easier to reclaim diskspace using MyISAM, the change would be worth making even with those other improvements 13:12 * chris_n would love to load the entire thing into RAM and run from there :) 13:12 chris_n think solid state HDD 13:12 chris_n bbiab 13:19 hilongo hello everyone :) 13:38 hilongo I'va seen some references of an 'ICU' method for creating the zebra index in Koha that might help searching words with diacritics... is it something that can be used with 3.0.x or is something for 3.2?? 13:40 kf I think it would work with 3.0.x too, you should perhaps ask hdl about it 13:40 kf we use icu indexing with 3.01.61, but I can not explain how to set it up 13:41 hilongo hdl is Henri-Damien Laurent? 13:42 kf yes 13:42 hilongo ok ... I'll send him an email.. :) 13:43 hilongo by the way ... how is it working? ... the icu indexing... 13:48 tomascohen hi every1, does anyone know what is the status of mod_perl support in koha? 13:49 tomascohen what I mean is if there's a list of bugs that should be squashed or somethingç 13:51 gmcharlt tomascohen: for mod_perl support specifically, you mean? 13:51 gmcharlt or bugs in genearl? 13:51 tomascohen for mod_perl support 13:52 tomascohen I see several errors in the logs when using mod_perl 13:52 tomascohen and want to know if there is a known list of bugs regarding mod_perl support in koha 13:53 gmcharlt tomascohen: are you using Apache::PerlRun or Apache::Registry ? 13:53 tomascohen just followed the instructions in the wiki 13:53 tomascohen ModPerl::Registry I guess 13:54 gmcharlt http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=mod_perl ? that's a bit out of date 13:55 tomascohen exactly 13:55 tomascohen which one should I use? 13:55 gmcharlt Apache::PerlRun will work better for now - less of a performance boost, but doesn't require modifying the code 13:56 gmcharlt converting CGI scripts to work under Apache::Registry takes more work, which hasn't been done yet, although it's planned for 3.4 13:56 tomascohen Ok, I need to install it from CPAN and set it as the PerlResponseHandler? 13:58 gmcharlt ModPerl::PerlRunPrefork 13:58 gmcharlt it looks like - since you have mod_perl already installed, you probably don't need to get ot CPAN to get that module 13:59 tomascohen I have it from hardy repos 13:59 tomascohen thanks gmcharlt 14:00 gmcharlt please let me know how it works 14:00 gmcharlt how *well* it works, that is 14:03 gmcharlt nahuel: ebegin: need a French translation, please 14:04 gmcharlt "Enable circulation sounds during checkin and checkout in the staff interface. Not supported by all web browsers yet." 14:04 nahuel "Activer les évenement sonores de circulation pendant le prêt et le retour dans l'intranet. N'est pas encore supporté par tous les navigateurs web" 14:06 ebegin agree 14:06 gmcharlt thanks - any diacritics in that? 14:10 ebegin oups, one typo: "Activer les événements sonores de circulation pendant le prêt et le retour dans l'intranet. N'est pas encore supporté par tous les navigateurs web" 'événements' instead of 'évenement' 14:10 ebegin yes, there is diacritics 14:10 gmcharlt ebegin: could you pastebin that, then 14:11 ebegin there you go: http://pastebin.ca/1801563 14:11 gmcharlt thanks! 14:25 jwagner owen, online? 14:25 chris_n interesting article: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/09/04/a_library_without_the_books/ 14:25 owen Present! 14:25 chris_n and a related one: http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/10/do-school-libraries-need-books/ 14:25 jwagner Yet Another jquery -- in the OPAC patron messaging options, can I remove one line from the table? It doesn't have an ID that I can see. I want to get rid of the Upcoming Events line. 14:26 jwagner It's just a <td> line 14:27 owen jwagner: Do you know if it is consistently the second row? 14:28 jwagner I think so, in this code level anyway. 14:30 owen $("#opac-messaging table tr:eq(2)").hide(); 14:31 jwagner YES! 14:31 jwagner Thanks! 14:31 jwagner owen++ # that makes 16 local customizations done through jquery on this site, instead of modifying the templates! 14:32 owen Looking at 3.2, is "upcoming events" even working? Should it be in the template at all? 14:32 jwagner I don't think it works at all at this level, dunno why it's in there. 14:33 gmcharlt owen: it's a hook for integrating with a calendaring app, but AFAIK it's not actually used anywhere 14:36 gmcharlt nahuel: question for you - hdl sent a patch that among other things added an ILS-DI:Authorized_IPs syspref 14:36 gmcharlt but that syspref doesn't do anything 14:36 gmcharlt is there actually code implemeting it? 14:37 nahuel gmcharlt, ask to Kivutar, he made the code 14:37 gmcharlt Kivutar: ^^ :) 14:37 Kivutar gmcharlt: lets see 14:39 Kivutar it looks like this patch has been lost 14:39 Kivutar i wrote code using this syspref 14:39 Kivutar we should ask hdl about it 14:41 Kivutar yes, we have it on one of our branches 14:41 gmcharlt please submit it, then - I'm not going to push a new syspref that isn't implemented 14:42 Kivutar sure :) 14:42 Kivutar I mail hdl about it 14:42 chris_n is git.koha.org down? 14:43 wizzyrea chris_n: doesn't look like it from here, at least not the gitweb 14:43 * chris_n restarts FF.... again :-P 14:44 chris_n hmm.... must have been a FF problem; works fine now 14:44 wizzyrea FF has gone stupid on me like that a few times 14:44 Kivutar done 14:48 wizzyrea ok, I'm looking at the 3.2 alpha and I'm having trouble with the local hold functionality 14:48 wizzyrea well, holds in general 14:49 wizzyrea actually... let me check something I just had a brainwave 14:50 gmcharlt wizzyrea: :( I know some folks have been playing around with holds testing as well; fixing any regressions in the holds functionality (and regressions in general) will be a priority for general release 14:50 wizzyrea you know what 14:50 wizzyrea I think I found at least 50% of my problem just now 14:50 wizzyrea attention to sysprefs ftl 14:50 wizzyrea ;) 14:51 wizzyrea but that is excellent... we are doing a big test run on 3.2 tomorrow, put any bugs we find in bugzilla? 14:51 wizzyrea test run of holds, I should say 14:52 wizzyrea stuipd allowonshelfholds 14:52 wizzyrea sigh 14:53 wizzyrea I spent an hour mucking about with holds yesterday 14:53 wizzyrea and fixed it in my first 5 minutes back today 14:56 kf bye #koha 14:59 gmcharlt wizzyrea: sleeping_on_it++ 14:59 gmcharlt and yes, please report bugs in BZ 15:00 wizzyrea cool. I will do my best to not add any dupes 15:11 owen Lots of lurkers in here these days 15:11 ebegin Anybody had problem importing marc file within the Stage MARC Records for import? I do have a MARC file that do not want to be imported. When pressing Stage for import, nothing happens. 15:12 ebegin It is a very standard marc file 15:12 * jdavidb lurks in a corner, twitching; just did a "git merge master" on a haphazardly-modified branch. 15:13 moodaepo @wunder 56001 15:13 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -16.0�C (8:55 AM CST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -21.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 15:13 jdavidb Brr! 15:14 schuster ebegin - 3.2 or 3.0.x? 15:14 ebegin 3.0.x 15:14 ebegin 3.0.4 to be more precise 15:15 schuster I import on a regular basis without problems. I have had problems where there was a bad MARC record/character in the file so it wouldn't load. I'd run it through MarcEdit, correct or remove the corrupt record and it would load fine. 15:18 ebegin I usualy don't have problem either... I'll check for corruption. 15:20 owen schuster: How do you identify the problem in MarcEdit? 15:26 wizzyrea does anyone have insight on the sound cues? Do they "just work" 15:26 wizzyrea ? 15:27 schuster First off if it opens at all in MARC edit. If it does open there is a MARCValidator tool. If it doesn't work generally I've had to break the file into seperate pieces to isolate the specific record that is having problems using the MARC breaker tool in MarcEdit. 15:27 schuster wizzyrea - did that "enhancement" get pushed up? I didn't think it had made it to head yet. 15:27 wizzyrea I got the .ogg files this morning 15:27 wizzyrea was just about to test it 15:27 wizzyrea or, see if anything happened 15:28 wizzyrea it's not a syspref that needs to be turned on, right? 15:28 wizzyrea never mind, yes, there is a pref "soundon" 15:28 wizzyrea which needs to be enabled 15:28 wizzyrea reading ftw 15:28 schuster Oh cool... I will need to investigate that! 15:32 owen The ogg file should work in Firefox or Chrome: http://html5doctor.com/native-audio-in-the-browser/ 15:32 owen We need to add an mp3 for fallback 15:32 gmcharlt and it can be made to work in Safari upon installation of QuickTime, I believe 15:32 owen Hey, it works. 15:33 owen I hate the sound clip though :( What is that, a banjo? 15:34 owen We should have a nationwide contest to design the perfect beep. 15:35 owen The "good" sound is better. 15:35 * chris_n wonders why his installation of mysql insists on creating tables as MyISAM inspite of being told otherwise 15:35 chris_n grrrr 15:40 owen Next thing we'll need is a system preference for defining custom sound files, since every library is going to want their own. 15:41 owen I want mine to play the A-Team theme song upon each successful checkout. 15:43 schuster I had a sound file with our old ILS that was my voice that said "good" when it was good, and "check the screen" when it was bad. Kids always were looking around for that non existant voice. 15:44 owen How about "Well done!" and "Uh-oh!" 15:45 owen Or for the teens, "Whatever." and <sarcastically>"Nice." 15:46 wizzyrea lol owen 15:46 wizzyrea sound_cues++ 15:46 wizzyrea but owen's right, it could stand to be more configurable 15:46 wizzyrea like, beep only on errors 15:47 gmcharlt send a patch :) 15:47 wizzyrea well I was thinking that it got in at all was super great 15:47 wizzyrea >.> 15:47 wizzyrea the rest is just gravy 15:47 owen Mmmm... gravy. 15:47 Colin Could this be a new category of emmy 'Best error beep' 15:48 wizzyrea grammys probably 15:48 wizzyrea ^.^ 15:48 gmcharlt how about an aural translation system to go with translate.koha.org? :) 15:49 wizzyrea more seriously, my peeps here are getting pretty excited about 3.2 15:49 wizzyrea lol... I wonder if dragonspeech could do that :P 15:49 wizzyrea run the whole opac through your iphone 15:49 wizzyrea output=awesome 15:51 gmcharlt jwagner: around? 15:52 jwagner Yes 15:54 paul_p question to english speaking ppl... in public libraries, the term "authority" sound strange to most readers (at least in french). So I'm on the way to replace it. But which term would be the best ? 15:54 paul_p (hello everybody) 15:55 paul_p does "indexes" sound better ? 15:55 gmcharlt paul_p: authority referening to authority record? 15:55 paul_p like "browse indexes" 15:55 paul_p gmcharlt: yep 15:55 jwagner No, I think indexes is the wrong term for this. 15:55 paul_p autorité (french term) is just related to the boss ;-) 15:55 gmcharlt paul_p: "browse" or "browse names" or "browse subjects" 15:55 paul_p gmcharlt: except the link is for both names & subjects :( 15:56 paul_p "browse lists" ? 15:56 jdavidb "official terms?" 15:56 Colin browse headings 15:56 gmcharlt "browse headings" is more precise, but not sure how many patrons have a clear notion of what a heading is 15:56 wizzyrea erg, headings is libraryspeak... this is for the staff or opac side? 15:56 paul_p it's for OPAC ! 15:56 schuster term search 15:57 schuster concept search 15:57 paul_p that's my problem : find a term mumy or boy can understand ;-) 15:57 schuster "about" search 15:57 paul_p schuster: ??? 15:57 wizzyrea Meta Search, but nobody would know what that means 15:57 gmcharlt "about search" doesn't work so well for describing a name headings browse 15:58 jwagner Was just looking at a Unicorn site -- it uses Browse by author, title, subject 15:58 schuster If you wanted to know information "about someone" it works 15:58 wizzyrea yea, you can't get much clearer than that really 15:58 wizzyrea is this a link that can't be spatially long? 15:58 paul_p wizzyrea: you mean jwagner proposal ? 15:58 wizzyrea yea 15:59 paul_p the link can be that long I think (and we can safely remove "title", just to have "browse by author or subjects" 15:59 gmcharlt +1 # jwagner 16:00 jwagner Also uses Catalog Lookup by Cross Reference 16:00 paul_p wow, too complex I'm afraid 16:00 wizzyrea I"m for Browse by author, title, subject 16:01 wizzyrea patrons wouldn't know what an authority search is anyway, so it's good we are having this discussion 16:01 schuster what actually are you "browsing" - is it subjects or ??? depends doesn't it? and are the authority searches working now with 3.2? 16:02 schuster Is it keyword, or actually a list? 16:02 paul_p schuster: it is the authority list, definetly 16:03 paul_p and if you don't use Koha authorities, then this link is useless for the library 16:03 schuster So titles are not included - so stick to Author, subject browse 16:03 schuster My authorities in 3.0x have never worked right. 16:04 paul_p schuster: right (except it uniform titles are stored, but what is an uniform title is totally impossible to understand for any human being ;-) ) 16:04 paul_p ( at least any non librarian :D ) 16:05 schuster some of us librarians don't fully understand them either... 16:06 * chris_n shakes his fist at apt 16:09 owen Whoa.. Were the pictures supposed to make it easier to understand? http://marklodato.github.com/visual-git-guide/ 16:13 chris_n very nice 16:27 liz-nekls ok this is a nitpicky thing 16:27 liz-nekls in the intranet the "this cart is empty" popup is underneath the news area header 16:27 owen Can you file a bug for that liz-nekls? I saw that too, and it should be fixed. 16:27 wizzyrea_laptop yepper sure 16:32 wizzyrea_laptop done bug 4214 16:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4214 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulain@biblibre.com, NEW, "Your Cart is Currently Empty" popup displays underneath News header 16:45 chris_n fwiw: it appears that ubuntu 9.10 mysql lacks compiled support for the innodb engine 16:47 wizzyrea_laptop yikes! 16:48 paul_p chris_n: can't believe it ! 16:49 chris_n I'd love to find out I'm wrong 16:49 chris_n but apt-get install mysql-server results in an instance which reports no innodb engine 16:50 chris_n mysql> show variables like 'have_innodb'; 16:50 chris_n +---------------+-------+ 16:50 chris_n | Variable_name | Value | 16:50 chris_n +---------------+-------+ 16:50 chris_n | have_innodb | NO | 16:50 chris_n +---------------+-------+ 16:50 chris_n 1 row in set (0.00 sec) 16:50 owen chris_n: I get "YES" 16:50 owen ...and you can bet I didn't compile it myself. 16:51 chris_n owen: could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.workbuffer.org? 16:52 chris_n maybe I have the kiddie pool repos installed :-) 16:53 pastebot "owen" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Ubuntu 9.10 /etc/apt/sources.list" (53 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/2 16:54 chris_n ahh... ubuntu 9.04 16:54 chris_n I'm at 9.10 16:54 chris_n well, I see karmic repos 16:54 owen My "about ubuntu" says 9.10 16:54 * chris_n scratches his head 16:55 chris_n owen: did you start at 9.04 and then upgrade? 16:55 Colin The version on the CD is innodb-free can you possibly update from elsewhere? 16:55 owen chris_n: I know I have upgraded, so I guess that's most likely true 16:59 * jwagner watches paint dry while waiting for bugzilla to respond.... 17:02 * tekonivel is trying to fugure out which version to translate 17:03 Colin chris_n:There was a mysql bug which caused the innodb plugin to fail and Ubuntu use that rather than compiling innodb in 17:04 chris_n Colin: so the innodb plugin is a separate package? 17:05 Colin I think so you aldo need mysql 5.1.33 or greater 17:05 chris_n this is 5.1.37 17:06 Colin I assume there's a mysql-innodb or innodb package somewhere 17:08 wizzyrea_laptop erg, another nitpicky 17:08 wizzyrea_laptop the font in the checkout search box is different from the font in the check in search box 17:08 owen wizzyrea_laptop: Where? 17:08 wizzyrea_laptop the search header 17:09 wizzyrea_laptop intranet 17:09 wizzyrea_laptop check out is serif, check in is sans serif 17:10 owen On the circulation page? What platform/browser? 17:11 wizzyrea_laptop un moment, will screenshot 17:11 wizzyrea_laptop firefox/mac 17:12 wizzyrea_laptop http://screencast.com/t/Njc3YmI4 17:13 wizzyrea_laptop http://screencast.com/t/Njc3YmI4 17:13 wizzyrea_laptop http://screencast.com/t/NWFiZDdmZWY 17:13 wizzyrea_laptop sry for the dupe 17:14 wizzyrea_laptop search catalog is consistent with check in 17:14 owen Okay, I see that on Firefox/Ubuntu too. 17:15 wizzyrea_laptop kool. glad that helped 17:16 wizzyrea_laptop jing is my best friend every, next to my iphone 17:16 wizzyrea_laptop ever* 17:17 owen It's as if Firefox on Ubuntu and Mac has different understanding of how "font-family:inherit" should work. Weird. 17:18 wizzyrea_laptop strange indeed 17:18 wizzyrea_laptop well if it's fringe to mac/ubuntu then it's not that big of a deal (to me anyway) 17:23 nengard_ hey - who added locations to lists? i can't see a patch for that - but it's in my recent pull of HEAD 17:24 wizzyrea_laptop oh wowie there are more patches lol 17:25 owen nengard_: Looks like it happened in December: "Matthias Meusburger 2009-12-03 11:58:44" 17:26 nengard_ wait - but weren't we asking for it just yesterday? 17:27 owen That's a difference between LEK and HEAD 17:27 nengard_ anyway - I have a request that I'll submit to bugzilla - that we have a preference (yes yes I know - too many preferences) to turn this on or off - cause I'm looking at a list right now where 1 bib has 15 items and they're all showing making the list longer than i really intended 17:28 nengard_ owen - yeah - that I know - but I don't remember seeing this implemented when I did the lists documentation 17:29 owen nengard_: If it looked like it does on the search results page would that be better? Or perhaps have the display controlled by the OPACItemsResultsDisplay pref? 17:49 nengard_ owen - yeah that might work as long as it wraps well :) 17:52 nengard_ okay - playing with sounds on circ - why do i need a beep when i visit the check in page? shouldn't that happen after i perform an action? 17:52 owen Because "Yay! I'm checking in!" ? 17:53 nengard_ LOL 17:53 nengard_ i know a lot of people wanted this - but it's so so so not for me 17:53 nengard_ i jump every time it beeps 18:00 wizzyrea_laptop i agree 18:01 wizzyrea_laptop with nengard on that 18:01 wizzyrea_laptop beeping on the checkin/checkout page = eh 18:01 wizzyrea_laptop beeping when it does something = good 18:03 owen Just needs better placement in the template I suspect. 18:06 * chris_n begins to consider throwing out ubuntu in favor of debian 18:20 gmcharlt chris_n: c'mon, it's what all the cool kids do 18:47 ebegin what is the ETA for 3.2? 18:47 * ebegin thinking about the fr-CA translation... 18:47 * owen checks his watch 18:48 chris_n sudo apt-get convert2debian 18:49 chris_n does not seem to work... ;) 18:49 ebegin lol 18:59 * jwagner snarls -- expletive deleted power just went out. Tiny UPS on my PC won't last but a few minutes.... 18:59 owen Everyone say your goodbyes to jwagner! 18:59 owen *sniff* 18:59 jwagner and jdavidb too 19:00 * owen waves 19:00 * jwagner says goodbye. So long, farewell, Auf Weidersehn, good night.... 19:01 gmcharlt alas! 19:01 gmcharlt ebegin: beta first week of march, as close to 1 march as I can manage 19:02 owen It's like seeing someone in the Matrix die because their body died 19:02 gmcharlt there will be string changes, but not so many that you can't get started on fr-CA 19:02 ebegin thanks gmcharlt. 19:22 owen Aren't there some circumstances under which you would expect the "found" column in the reserves table to say "F," or am I misremembering? 19:24 owen Oh, from Reserves.pm: F(inished) : the reserve has been completed, and is done 19:26 * chris_n resorts to brute force 19:28 chris_n owen: what does /usr/sbin/mysqld -V on your system say? 19:28 owen /usr/sbin/mysqld Ver 5.1.37-1ubuntu5.1 for debian-linux-gnu on i486 ((Ubuntu)) 19:29 * chris_n suddenly remembers that brute force is usually followed by brute stupidity 19:31 braedon|work should rebuild_zebra remove indexes for biblios removed from the library via the undo import feature? 19:32 wizzyrea_laptop we like to say there's nothing brute force and ignorance can't fix 19:35 richard hi 19:38 brendan @wunder 93117 19:38 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.4�C (11:37 AM PST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). 19:43 gmcharlt braedon|work: when a bib is reverted, a zebraqueue entry should get added, and rebuild_zebra.pl -b -z shoudl pick up the delete 19:44 braedon|work that is what i thought 19:44 braedon|work didn 19:44 braedon|work 't 19:44 braedon|work seem to though 19:46 braedon|work reverted a batch, imported it again, ran rebuild_zebra -b -v to get the new data in fast, and then left the cron job to handle the cleanup 19:46 braedon|work hours later, it finally stops, and still have old results 19:47 braedon|work had to run rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -v to get rid of them 19:47 braedon|work should i have waited for the cron jobs to remove the old biblios before importing again eprhaps? 19:47 * chris_n has had a similar problem 19:48 chris_n and runs -r always 19:48 braedon|work s/eprhaps/perhaps/ 19:48 gmcharlt braedon|work: it *ought* to be able to handle it 19:49 chris morning 19:49 gmcharlt always running -r after an import is an option, but not one that scales for large databases 19:49 chris_n heya chris 19:49 gmcharlt hi chris 19:50 owen Behold, exciting new details on Bug 4040. 19:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Checking in an already confirmed on-hold item results in duplicate dialogs 19:51 chris thats way too exciting for friday morning 19:51 * chris gets more coffee 19:52 braedon|work gmcharlt: chris_n: -r won't be a problem for our systems, but i wonder what zebraqueue/cron zebra was doing in it's at least 3 hours of using 80% cpu, if not removing biblios 19:53 chris gmcharlt: im going to update all the .po files today to catch all the template changes, will send a pull request after that 19:53 gmcharlt ok 19:54 * chris_n grabs a hammer and heads off to the server room >:-) 19:57 braedon|work will setting the checked out date for an item in the marc record before import break things? or is koha happy to have items checked out to no one? 19:59 cait chris: have you seen bug 4208? will updated po files include "buttons"? 19:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4208 critical, P1, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 19:59 chris we'll soon find out 20:00 chris i don't know why they disappeared in the first place 20:00 cait chris: ok thx 20:00 chris it may be like gmcharlt says, the system breaks if they are translated .. those ones need a bigger fix, or it might be they just got missed 20:01 wizzyrea_laptop owen! brilliant! thank you for reporting that one with all the details, we've been seeing that too 20:01 wizzyrea_laptop but we have too many variables to narrow it down 20:01 wizzyrea_laptop not to mention a lack of DB level access 20:01 cait chris: I think this is kind of a blocker in translation - they are in prominent places and my librarians are unhappy 20:01 chris and you think they used to work? 20:01 cait I do 20:02 chris ok, i should be able to get them back without to much difficulty then 20:06 cait gmcharlt is right, there were buttons in serials that broke when translated and one that kept me from changing message preferences. 20:06 cait I think the one in serials is fixed now 20:06 chris right, those are bigger fixes, the script needs to be made to depend on a hidden input rather than the submit button 20:06 chris but not too big 20:07 cait but keeping them English is not the right solution I think :) 20:07 chris nope 20:10 chris_n whew... back online using InnoDB engine a mere 6 hours later :-P 20:10 jwagner chris_n, job security? 20:10 chris_n I don't even think my gps could have plotted that route? 20:10 chris_n hehe 20:10 chris_n the hammer worked 20:11 chris_n owen's observations set me on the solution, but I would *not* recommend using Ubuntu 9.10 for anything Koha atm 20:11 chris_n unless you get there via 9.04 and do a distro upgrade 20:12 owen *whew* 20:12 chris_n I had to set all my sources pointed to jaunty 20:12 chris_n completely remove all mysql stuff 20:12 chris_n and install from jaunty 20:12 chris_n then switch my sources back to karmic 20:13 chris_n and then upgrade all mysql stuff 20:13 Ropuch Evening #koha 20:13 chris_n at which point I had the current ver w/the InnoDB engine compiled 20:13 chris_n hi Ropuch 20:13 cait hi Ropuch 20:13 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:13 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 3.0�C (9:00 PM CET on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). 20:13 chris_n @wunder 28334 20:13 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 10.0�C (2:41 PM EST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 20:13 brendan @wunder 93117 20:13 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.5�C (12:12 PM PST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). 20:15 chris cait: im just trying updating the de po files, ill let you know when its done and you can check them 20:15 cait chris: ok! :) 20:16 wizzyrea_laptop owen: we are doing a bug hold debugging/testing stint tomorrow 20:16 owen Bring painkillers. 20:16 wizzyrea_laptop iknorite 20:17 owen right now I'm trying to figure out if items are remaining on the holds queue list because there are still items available to fulfill the hold 20:17 wizzyrea_laptop of course we have this one giant variable in our system: the selfchecks 20:18 * ebegin is looking for a SQL request to get the X borrower with the higher number of issues (current and past)... 20:21 ebegin ... and i'm stuck with an Every derived table must have its own alias because of my UNION 20:24 * ebegin is now unstuck :) 20:25 wizzyrea_laptop owen: obvious question, this is after regenerating the queue, right? 20:26 owen wizzyrea_laptop: That's what I fear 20:26 wizzyrea_laptop hrm. 20:28 owen Wow "GetItemsAvailableToFillHoldRequestsForBib" is a real mouthful :) 20:29 moodaepo @wunder 56001 20:29 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -5.0�C (2:15 PM CST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 20:32 brendan hi moodaepo 20:32 chris cait: http://translate.koha.org/de/ 20:32 chris i dunno if it's any better 20:33 moodaepo brendan: Hey! I was thinking my connection was crapped so relogged into koha...wow it's been quiet today : ) 20:34 owen gmcharlt still around? 20:34 moodaepo or maybe the relogin did help? 20:34 gmcharlt owen: what's up? 20:34 owen gmcharlt: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=8588c7d79eae2c4c0f1aa071d3ff4d754c14904b 20:34 owen I'm looking at the subquery you added in that commit 20:34 brendan been busy on #koha channel 20:35 cait 8675 words need attention 20:35 cait wow 20:35 owen gmcharlt: I'm not sure if I'm understanding it all correctly, but I'm concerned that this isn't working right 20:36 owen gmcharlt: selecting itemnumbers where itemnumber IS NOT NULL AND (found IS NOT NULL OR priority = 0) is going to exclude items which have been allocated for holds but not made waiting 20:37 wizzyrea_laptop owen! Yes! this is one of our major bugs I think... 20:37 wizzyrea_laptop that LL was supposed to fix in sept! 20:37 owen When I check in a hold and confirm it, the itemnumber is added to the line in the reserve table but "found" is still NULL 20:38 gmcharlt hmm - at that point found should be set to 'W' 20:38 owen Not before the item has been checked in and confirmed at its destination branch 20:39 owen (sorry--need to specify that this is a hold at another branch) 20:39 cait chris: cant find my examples in po 20:39 wizzyrea_laptop owen, like this 20:39 wizzyrea_laptop http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3595 20:39 wizzyrea_laptop ? 20:39 munin 04Bug 3595: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold 20:39 chris cait: guess not then :( 20:39 gmcharlt ah - gotcha 20:39 chris ill have to look into over the weekend 20:39 owen I don't know wizzyrea_laptop, I was trying to figure out whether items which have already been allocated for a hold are showing up on the hold queue 20:39 gmcharlt subquery would then either have to include a join on branchtransfers 20:40 gmcharlt or perhaps define a new value for found : 'T' 20:40 gmcharlt meaning that hte item is allocated for a hold but is in transit 20:40 wizzyrea_laptop I think this might be another side effect 20:40 cait tell me when I can help you with something 20:40 wizzyrea_laptop of what you are describing 20:40 wizzyrea_laptop gmcharlt: we have a bug to add that as well 20:41 gmcharlt the reason why itemnumber not null is not sufficient is the case of item-level hold requests 20:41 owen Right, I was just figuring that out 20:41 owen I always thought there was an interim value for "found" between NULL and W, I guess I was wrong. 20:42 wizzyrea_laptop bug 3344 20:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3344 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting 20:42 gmcharlt owen: there was, kinda sorta, but that fell apart with item-level requests 20:43 Sharon I'm a color person - in the OPAC, in transit items are red, available are green. The problem is that items waiting on a holds shelf are green - show as available. CAn these be 'orange' or 'yellow'? 20:43 owen Sharon: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2655 20:43 munin 04Bug 2655: major, P2, ---, jmf@liblime.com, REOPENED, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC 20:43 Sharon Also, with the holds priority list, in transit items show up at the top of the holds priority list in a funky order. Can they be pulled and put down at the bottom of the list with a status of 'in transit' similar to the 'waiting' items? 20:44 owen Sharon I think that makes sense. Is that what bug 3344 is talking about? 20:45 Sharon owen should I add a comment about my color preference for 2655? ;-) 20:45 Sharon yep, that's the other concern. 20:45 Sharon good, they're both documented....now just to get fixes! :-) 20:45 jwagner And just in case it feeds into the whole problem/ solution, see Bug 3792 20:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3792 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Checking out on-hold item to someone else replaces item-level hold with next available 20:46 wizzyrea_laptop (we try really hard not to do item level holds @ nekls) 20:47 owen Sharon: are the color issues you're talking about on the search results page or the detail page? 20:47 SJeffery Is there a way to check what development work is being done on the Z39 record-importation functions? 20:47 Sharon Unfortunately the Local Holds item type creates/behaves like an item-level hold 20:47 Sharon causing item-level hold confusion and odd behavior 20:48 Sharon owen search results page, where the green available notes and red (3 in transit) notes show up 20:48 Sharon available should mean a patron can go to the shelf and pull the book. 20:49 Sharon red means it's in transit 20:49 Sharon yellow means it's not checked out, but most likely will be unless the hold is canceled 20:50 owen Yeah that's definitely Bug 2655. I'd make that a blocker for 3.2 if I was in charge. 20:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2655 major, P2, ---, jmf@liblime.com, REOPENED, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC 20:50 Sharon or combine on hold and in transit as "unavailable" and put a count next to the results 20:51 Sharon owen that bug has bothered us from the beginning 20:51 gmcharlt owen: your wish is my command 20:51 wizzyrea_laptop and LL said they would fix it 20:51 wizzyrea_laptop we've harped on it forever with them 20:51 * gmcharlt looks at the CC list for that bug and goes "meep!" 20:51 owen I would do that: no need to break out "in transit" and "on hold" if the upshot is that the patron can't find it on the shelf. 20:51 owen :D 20:52 * owen is tempted to find a LEK customer and ask them if it's fixed for them 20:52 gmcharlt Sharon: yes, please add your notes on color preferences to 2655 20:52 wizzyrea_laptop the demo on LL site wouldn't have that data? 20:53 wizzyrea_laptop it's LEK iir 20:53 wizzyrea_laptop iirc 20:53 owen Is the LibLime demo now running LEK? 20:53 wizzyrea_laptop i believe so 20:54 Sharon will do 20:54 Sharon never mind, I like the idea of having just red and green 20:54 owen So gmcharlt you agree that it looks like there is a bug in that section of build_holds_queue.pl? 20:55 Sharon green means on shelf, red means not available physically 20:55 gmcharlt owen: yes - please file a bug for that or point me to the bug number 20:55 owen Okay, thanks, I'll file a bug 20:55 gmcharlt thinking about it a bit more, I think defining a found status of 'T' is the way to go 20:56 * wizzyrea_laptop hopes that she's right and that a lot of stuff hangs on that 20:56 gmcharlt but there are ~15 place that I'll need to check 20:56 wizzyrea_laptop gmcharlt: you need a reserves apprentice 20:59 chris and then you can yell you're fired at them 20:59 wizzyrea_laptop O.O 20:59 wizzyrea_laptop question about cloning rules in sysprefs 20:59 wizzyrea_laptop only the top table clones? not the rest of them 20:59 wizzyrea_laptop ? 21:00 wizzyrea_laptop is that a feature or a bug 21:00 wizzyrea_laptop er, cloning rules in system administration, I mean 21:00 owen smart-rules.pl? 21:00 chris cait: http://translate.koha.org/de/sysprefs/ 21:01 wizzyrea_laptop yep 21:01 cait chris: cool! 21:01 chris fredericd did all the hardwork 21:01 cait chris: I m working on translation of installer sql files too, will translate everything you throw in my direction ;) 21:01 owen wizzyrea_laptop: Yes, it only clones the rules in that one table 21:01 chris :) 21:02 wizzyrea_laptop good, ok, it's not just us. So, is that intentional or just incomplete? 21:02 owen I think that when the cloning process was written there may not have been other tables? 21:03 owen So I guess incomplete now that rules are more complex and varied. 21:04 wizzyrea_laptop well... it's new since our production server, and we have the smart rules 21:05 wizzyrea_laptop so I will file it as an enhancement bug, since it's merely annoying that you can't clone the other rules 21:06 chris_n wizzyrea_laptop: do you also find it annoying to have to re-enter all fields to change an existing rule? 21:07 wizzyrea_laptop yes, I do, actually 21:07 wizzyrea_laptop :) 21:07 wizzyrea_laptop but we don't change rules all that often, so it's not SUPER annoying 21:07 wizzyrea_laptop just a little annoying. 21:07 * chris_n was thinking those could be text fields in the table and just pre-populate with rule data 21:07 chris_n then have an update button to round it off 21:08 cait chris_n: it is annoying, an update button would be a great enhancement 21:09 chris_n hdl has some further enhancements to the smart rules which I think he is trying to finish up 21:09 chris_n so maybe that one should be put on the list for 3.4 21:09 cait just wanted to say that :) Ergonomics of smart-rules and circulation parameters (rfc for 3.2 21:09 cait 3.4 ) 21:09 chris_n yup 21:44 brendan .away 21:45 * chris hands brenda a / 21:45 brendan thanks 8) 21:45 brendan @wunder 93117 21:45 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (1:43 PM PST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling). 21:48 * braedon|work hands chris a n 21:48 chris heh 21:49 * brendan hands chris an n too 21:49 * brendan likes his name 21:50 chris its cos i was talking to brenda on identica at the same time :) 21:50 braedon|work but now he has two n's! 21:50 braedon|work brendann? 21:50 brendan ok I retract my n 21:50 brendan :) 21:53 brendan http://librarygang.talis.com/ 21:53 brendan looks like the new library gang podcast is posted 21:53 brendan featuring nengard and john yokley 21:54 gmcharlt was it recorded before or after 11 February? 21:54 chris heh good question 21:54 brendan I think on the 12th 21:55 * brendan checks nengard calender 21:55 brendan yup friday feb. 12th 21:55 * chris will have to listen ... altho the track record of the podcasts leads me to believe it will be heavily leaning towards proprietary 21:55 brendan always it seems, but at least we've got nengard there 21:56 chris yep 21:56 brendan nengard++ 21:56 chris listening now 21:56 brendan me too 21:57 brendan oh man not too many ops on channel 21:57 cait I listened to it earlier today, but did not understand everything 21:57 chris yeah we need thd to wander in 21:57 brendan going to need si back or get thd-away to promote some peeps 21:58 brendan ah si is here maybe he can work his magic again 21:58 chris only way for him to get ops, is to bump us all off 21:58 chris we need thd-away 21:59 richard yep it's all reliant on him 21:59 chris ohhh interesting 22:00 chris "at this point" 22:00 brendan yeah I caught that too 22:00 chris i wonder if that means they are gonna try to buy liblime again later 22:01 chris the way they pronounce Koha makes my ears hurt 22:04 chris *sigh* 22:05 brendan that be a loud *sigh* 22:05 schuster who buy LibLime? PTFS? I heard a rumor that it isn't a dead possibility. 22:05 brendan schuster were are listening to http://librarygang.talis.com/ 22:05 chris well from the horses mouth, john yokley said we couldnt complete the deal at this point 22:06 schuster at this point. 22:06 chris exactly 22:06 chris formal governance 22:06 chris lol 22:06 chris i hope nicole pounds that out of the court 22:11 chris wow, i cant understand a word frances is saying 22:12 cait ok, so its not just my bad english g 22:13 chris no, really bad sound levels 22:14 chris_n "re-ignition"... nice word 22:17 brendan yeah hard to hear fances 22:18 chris_n lots of artifacts in her audio 22:18 chris yeah 22:19 brendan nice word artifacts 22:19 chris_n it comes from heavy compression iirc 22:25 chris_n heh, I get a 404 error when clicking on Talin Bingham's link 22:26 chris heh 22:28 brendan talin sounds like such a serious name 22:28 chris wow, what a weird question 22:28 chris_n which? 22:29 chris the commercial vs community 22:29 chris one, from richard 22:29 chris_n Yokley must be drawing from his recent survey 22:29 braedon|work brendan: talin sounds like a sci-fi name 22:30 brendan "had to concur with nicole on that" you go nengard++ 22:30 * chris_n imagines a predator 22:30 * masonj waves from kapiti 22:30 chris hiya masonj 22:30 * chris_n waves back 22:31 brendan hiya mason 22:31 masonj heya, weather is sweet out here 22:33 chris_n bbl 22:33 chris this is really interesting 22:35 chris [off] john yokley really sounds like he wants PTFS to 'own' Koha 22:35 chris round the 34 min mark 22:35 chris [off] ill be interested to hear others take on that 22:37 chris so much focus on governance, so much lack of understanding on how that could logistically work 22:39 gmcharlt [off] it's an interesting thing, that focus about governance, considering that libraries don't exactly get any direct say in the governance of a proprietary ILS software project 22:39 chris [off] exactly and that seems to be my worry when anyone says governance i hear "do what i say" 22:42 chris hiya Jo 22:42 Jo Listening to Library Gand 2.0 talking about open source library systems: nice putting a voice to Nicole Engard, John Yokley 22:42 Jo Hi Chris 22:42 Jo http://bit.ly/bswzhX 22:42 chris yeah we were all just discussing it 22:42 Jo 6 developers Chris - really! Thats astounding. 22:43 chris well it'll be 4 pretty shortly 22:43 chris srdjan is working on a patch now 22:43 Jo very cool 22:44 brendan hi Jo 22:44 chris PTFS second largest vendor? 22:44 chris i take issue with that 22:45 chris god damn i hate marketing 22:45 chris i can think of at least 7 metrics where they are 2nd smallest 22:45 Jo hi Brerndan 22:45 chris interesting podcast tho 22:45 Jo can someone flick me a link to todays irc log 22:46 Jo wish I could navigate that wiki .... 22:46 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today 22:46 Jo thanks 22:47 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/koha-combined-history/authors.html#commits_by_domains would be my answer to John 22:52 chris heck collum_ has 4.7 many patches :) 22:53 collum_ huh? 22:54 * chris knew that would confuse ya :) 22:54 brendan heh - first time colloquy has crashed on me 22:54 gmcharlt collum_: you're evidently 4.7 defense contractors large ;) 22:54 collum_ It's not difficult. 22:54 chris :-) 22:55 sekjal I'm not sure "large" is the best adjective to market a Koha vendor 22:57 sekjal "large" brings to mind corporate, and cold, and uncaring. 22:57 sekjal I'd prefer a vendor that really cared about me and my institution. 22:58 Jo (if my boss could see me know I'd get slapped. impossible to type and listen to this .... 22:58 Jo sitting here gazing into space listening and thinking 22:58 chris sekjal: yep 22:58 Jo maybe its the accents that means i have to concentrate so hard 22:59 brendan we don't have accents :) 22:59 chris bbiab 22:59 Jo Frances sounds like she's talking under the ocean - I just can't make ouit the words at all 22:59 Jo brendan :) 23:01 collum_ Ah. Just reading the logs. I haven't listened yet. It just downloaded to my itunes a few minutes ago. 23:03 sekjal I've got to grab me a copy of the referenced podcast 23:03 sekjal would that my phone could just listen through the browser, but no 23:04 sekjal well, that's a project for later. Now I must get myself out of the office, grab some dinner, and prepare for tomorrow mornings upgrade 23:06 sekjal goodnight, all 23:10 moodaepo @wunder 56001 23:10 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -5.0�C (4:55 PM CST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 23:12 braedon|work @wunder tauranga nz 23:12 munin braedon|work: The current temperature in Tauranga Aerodrome Aws, New Zealand is 22.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 19, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Rising). 23:13 cait @wunder konstanz 23:13 brendan @wunder 93117 23:13 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.5�C (3:08 PM PST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Steady). 23:13 cait @wunder konstanz 23:13 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0�C (12:00 AM CET on February 19, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Falling). 23:15 moodaepo How I long for days on +ve side of the Dew Point. Today is warmer than yesterday. The colour of the day is bright white. 23:19 cait ok, time to sleep here - bye #koha 23:48 chris back