Time Nick Message 23:34 munin braedon|work: The current temperature in Tauranga Aerodrome Aws, New Zealand is 17.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 16, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 23:34 braedon|work @wunder tauranga nz 23:33 munin cait1: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -6.0�C (12:00 AM CET on February 16, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 23:33 cait1 @wunder Konstanz 23:29 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.1�C (3:23 PM PST on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). 23:29 brendan @wunder 93117 23:03 chris lunch time 22:45 collum_ :) 22:45 collum_ Thanks chris. It's done. 22:44 chris collum_: doesnt appear to 22:43 collum_ Is that correct? or am I missing something? 22:42 collum_ I was going to enable warnings in opac-logout.pl, but it doesn't seem to be used anymore. 22:37 * brendan heads home 22:11 cait1 ah ok 22:10 russ yep 22:10 cait1 meeting over? 22:06 * chilts too 22:06 * russ heads off 22:06 russ ok thanks all - we will get a bit more structured as we move forward 22:05 BobB Wear green to the meeting! 22:05 chilts any suggestions for menu placements will have to come through me for the moment though (sorry, hope to fix that up soon) :D 22:05 BobB St Patrick's Day! 22:05 chilts we have lots of editors for the site now ... so that's cool 22:04 * rach will be san francisco 22:04 russ i'll post some minutes to the wiki later today 22:04 chris cool 22:04 russ so to confirm next meeting will be at 10am Wed March 17 NZ time 22:04 brendan thanks russ 22:04 BobB thanks all 22:04 chris thanks for running the meeting russ 22:04 russ ok i have to get going 22:04 chris and i have a meeting now too 22:03 nengard talk to you all later - as always feel free to email or PM when I'm on :) 22:03 russ in terms of organisation - the road trip is a side event 22:03 nengard k - time to go start cooking dinner 22:03 chris sweet 22:02 BobB chris: Just briefly, but can contact him separately 22:02 chris BobB: awesome, did you get a chance to talk to mark at LCA? 22:01 chilts darling: PM me your Gmail and I'll add you to the KohaCon editors :) 22:01 BobB OK. Irma and I could fly into Auck and hire a car - so make 2 or 3 seats available if needed 22:01 russ darling: cool 22:01 darling (got distracted w/work item here -- I can write up US to WLG travel tips have done that trip about 10 times in the past couple of yrs) 22:01 chris yup 22:00 russ chris: we need to contact mark and see if there is a time he can make an irc meeting 22:00 chris mark osborne, from ashs 22:00 BobB We haven't discussed the road trip. Who's coordinating that? 21:59 russ i have covered what i wanted 21:59 russ ok - little messy this time round - we are at the start of this so prolly to be expected 21:59 russ and see if they can make it next time round 21:58 russ i will contact a couple of the people who have not been able to make it this time 21:58 russ ok we will stick with 10am for the time being 21:58 russ so that was what influenced my thinking around the meeting time 21:58 BobB I guess there is no best time for the whole world. Now is middle of the night in India, for example 21:58 brendan :) cool with me 21:58 russ brendan: yeah it is a problem, but the core of volunteers are here in nz 21:57 brendan for example if biblibre has anything to add 21:57 brendan fine with me, but seems we are missing europe times 21:57 russ right 21:57 BobB I like to be awake in meetings :) 21:57 chilts I apologise for not making next month's ... am in Thailand :D 21:56 chris that would be mental for aussie 21:56 russ right 21:56 chris ah yeah, good point 21:56 BobB Hallo? we don't need it to be earlier 21:56 chris ok for me 21:56 russ 8am NZST (if there are no objections) 21:56 chris nz time? 21:56 russ 8am 21:55 russ ok so next meeting in a months time, i think we will try to go for a little earlier 21:55 russ IrmaCalyx: that is on the todo list for this month 21:55 IrmaCalyx If the KohaCon logo could be made avaialble asap that would be good 21:55 chris less typing :) 21:55 chilts sorry 21:55 chilts oh 21:55 chris kohacon10 21:54 chilts KohaCon2010 I think is the tag we're directing at (for Twitter, Identica, Flickr etc) 21:54 BobB Will stimulate interest 21:54 chris works for me 21:54 russ cool - email traffic will be to general list - include KohaCon10 in the subject line 21:53 chris sounds good rach 21:53 nengard +1 21:53 russ lol - i hear that :-) 21:53 chris one thing i dont need is another mailing list :) 21:53 * rach will volunteer for kid parking 21:53 IrmaCalyx ++ 21:53 chris general list is fine i think 21:53 brendan i vote for general list 21:52 russ IrmaCalyx: you read my mind - something like that sounds like the go 21:52 IrmaCalyx monthly meeting for March, April, May, June, then every 2 weeks? 21:52 russ email traffic to general list, dev list or should we get a new one set up? 21:52 chilts yep, 1 month sounds good 21:52 * angela belatedly turns up 21:52 chris sounds ok to me, we can discuss things before then if needed 21:51 russ given how far out we are, I was thinking a months time? does that seem reasonable? 21:51 IrmaCalyx also some "first aid" info (that won't be needed I hope) 21:51 russ ok the last thing I want to do is set a time for the next meeting 21:50 BobB russ: Like a partners programme 21:50 wizzyrea yes, hangeron activities 21:50 russ wizzyrea: ah good point - we can add some ideas about what hangerons can do during conference 21:50 BobB chris: ++ 21:49 wizzyrea ;) 21:49 DebJo (will go check logs) 21:49 chris te papa :) 21:49 DebJo sorry - couldn't get back on 21:49 wizzyrea suggestions on where to park your kid might be helpful, but that's purely selfish 21:49 chris i need to keep adding to the map though 21:49 nengard yeah - i don't want to read :) hehe - i want you to tell me :) 21:48 chris http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/travel/food.html 21:48 nengard figured 21:48 nengard :) 21:48 russ nengard: no problem there 21:48 chris i started doing that 21:48 chilts will need to add a menu item to it later I'm afraid :) 21:48 nengard we need the NZ natives to volunteer as tour guides and sources for good info about where to eat etc :) 21:48 chilts new section : http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/getting-here/ 21:47 nengard no prob 21:47 russ ok looking at agenda - I think we have the roles pretty much sorted - thanks to all for volunteering 21:47 russ IrmaCalyx: thanks 21:47 IrmaCalyx I am happy to do a bit of investigation 21:46 russ brendan: i like your optimism :-) 21:46 brendan maybe if we're overwhelmed by donations 21:46 IrmaCalyx not serviced but short term stays 21:46 russ used a lot by government types 21:45 russ sure there are serviced apartments 21:45 IrmaCalyx Is that available in Wellington? 21:45 IrmaCalyx What about enting a large appartment in town for a week? 21:45 * russ will touch base on that later 21:44 russ opps or should that have been directed to DebJo :-) 21:44 russ there are a couple of good ones nearby 21:43 russ Joann: did you contact any budget accom like backpackers? 21:43 IrmaCalyx irmalibraries@gmail.com 21:43 chilts so /2010/getting-to-wellington/ ? or /2010/getting-here/ 21:43 russ they quite often do some special through vancouver as well 21:42 brendan chilts I'd say a section for getting there would be important 21:42 russ i know around that time they start putting on flights for the winter ski season 21:42 nengard will check though 21:42 nengard I forget - wasn't checking too closely yet - just wanted an idea so i could start budgeting 21:42 russ nengard: did you check AirNZ ? 21:42 brendan ah cool 21:42 brendan if you want to send it to me -- brendan@bywatersolutions.com 21:42 chilts pm 21:41 brendan chilts what's your email again 21:41 russ nengard: right 21:41 nengard :( 21:41 nengard russ - i looked as SFO cause I hate LAX - but LAX was way way cheaper 21:41 chilts it seems the /2010/travel/ section is more about getting around Wgtn, do we want something else for actually getting here? 21:41 russ thanks brendan 21:41 chris cool brendan 21:41 brendan or SFO 21:40 brendan I can suggest somethings from Los angelos 21:40 russ my advice for our nth america friends - fly out of SFO :-) 21:40 chris sweet 21:40 IrmaCalyx we can do from Australia 21:40 russ suggestions for travel sites etc 21:40 russ that would be great 21:40 russ if we could get some volunteers from outside NZ to write up some tips on the best way to get to NZ etc 21:40 chilts anyone who wants to be able to edit the site, let me know your Gmail address and I'll add you in 21:39 russ we need a couple of things there 21:39 russ ok next point - Website Content 21:39 chilts :) 21:39 IrmaCalyx back again... 21:39 russ sure 21:39 chris during school hours, is unlikely they can get away 21:39 * russ makes a note to contact them later 21:38 chris nope 21:38 russ is anyone from ashs here at the moment? 21:38 brendan +1 21:38 chris +n 21:38 chris souds good 21:38 russ but to summarise, we want to do this with sponsorship if we can, we will do a break down for the wiki page, add a list of how much and who has contributed so far, and sponsorship coordination to go through me 21:36 russ we will firm up costings and get them in there 21:36 russ brendan: yep good idea 21:36 BobB chris: I agree to focus on sponsorship first. Donations should be anonymous to not embarrass people who can't afford to contribute 21:36 brendan one thing that would be good for those looking to do sponsorship would be a list of things to sponsor -- i.e coffee break, or projector, something like that 21:35 DebJo cool 21:35 DebJo what about (i meant) 21:35 russ DebJo: i have started looking into that 21:35 DebJo what grant applications 21:35 russ righto - sponsorship first, we will see how that goes 21:34 DebJo deborah@library.org.nz 21:34 chris yeah, i think thats all that it needs 21:34 russ DebJo: ta 21:34 DebJo Deborah 21:34 chilts certainly the Donate button is already in good view, so it's definitely there for people wishing to see it :D 21:34 chris every other kohacon has been free for attendees 21:34 russ DebJo: who do i talk to about tracking the monies at HLT? 21:34 chris so id like us to not push the donations to much, until we have exhausted sponsorship options 21:34 russ we need to firm up the estimates on some of this stuff 21:33 russ certainly to get the min amount 21:33 chris e 21:33 chris specially if they are paying 2k to get her 21:33 russ sure - and i think that is doable 21:33 chris than get librarians paying out of their pocket 21:33 chris id much rather do it with sponsorship 21:33 DebJo 1 is registration (another field - and clcik here to donate) 21:33 russ err 21:33 DebJo yep - 2 seperate 21:33 chris im with chilts 21:32 chilts two separate things 21:32 nengard i just need to know what fields you want 21:32 chilts I figure people could just register and then go and donate :) 21:32 DebJo but allows for those who can't afford to pay to partciapte anyway 21:32 chilts russ: might be a nengard thing if it's on Google Spreadsheets (rather than the KohaCon website) 21:32 DebJo realistically, we'd pay a regis fee for any other conference, why would we not pay for this one 21:32 brendan russ if possible list the cost of the venue, etc. 21:32 russ DebJo: i agree - chilts we should talk about how we can intergrate that into the form 21:31 DebJo i view a donation as a voluntary registrtaion fee so maybe we market it that way to - so those who can afford to pay do 21:31 russ http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:kohacon2010:2010conferenceplan#budget 21:30 brendan or I may have missed that 21:30 brendan would be nice to have a list of cost and what you are targeting for them 21:30 DebJo imp too 21:30 BobB Ok to be bored:) 21:30 russ but i just want to get this stuff sorted so we have a base to build on 21:29 russ i know it is boring 21:29 DebJo the powhiri can be purchased at Rotorua 21:29 russ and on to operational stuff 21:29 russ sorry people can we get off content for a moment 21:29 DebJo 'Rent a Maori' you mean .. 21:29 russ can you please let me know, so i can track it 21:29 russ if you are going to approach people for sponsorship 21:29 BobB It would be great if budget allowed for a Maori welcome. Our indigenous people would call it 'welcome to country'. I don't know what you call it. 21:29 DebJo (she loves me really) 21:28 russ the base level gets us a room, the target (10kNZD) gets us some niceties 21:28 DebJo we'll teach deb how to edit the wiki - good learning curve 21:28 chris DebJo: if you could let me know after the meeting, ill update the wiki (or you can either/or) 21:28 brendan that way we know if we need to do more 21:28 DebJo could show incomings and outgoings as the happen 21:28 brendan that would be helpful chris 21:28 russ chris: yep 21:28 DebJo would be nice and transparent 21:27 chris should we add to the wiki how much we have raised so far? 21:27 russ our needs are modest and we have 2 targets 21:27 russ i'd like to just talk about the budget 21:27 nod_ ok 21:27 russ nod_ can we differ that to later please 21:27 nod_ any other suggestions for hackfest topics? 21:27 russ DebJo: I need to work in with you guys to manage how we are getting on with that 21:26 chris yep 21:26 DebJo and nice for HLT to welcome our comrades to NZ 21:26 chris actually yes, sharon would be a great speaker 21:26 * brendan finds that I watch it too much ## at least my wife tells me that 21:26 russ ok if we can get back to budget stuff for the moment, and sponsorship 21:26 DebJo would you like sharon to do a anything from HLT? 21:25 russ watch this space :-) 21:25 brendan cool 21:25 russ but are yet to sort that out 21:25 russ brendan: we have one 21:25 nod_ Im gooing to be co-ordinating the hackfest with chilts 21:25 brendan any ideas for a keynote speaker ? 21:25 nod_ wizzyrea: noted 21:25 chilts or Chris :D 21:25 chilts yeah, nod_ and I will try and tap into some Catalyst expertise :) 21:25 DebJo maybe one of kete - koha integration 21:24 chris so i will be tapping them to come give a talk 21:24 chris yeah we have some git gurus in the building 21:24 wizzyrea a "get into Git" session would be cool :P 21:24 DebJo sounds good 21:23 chris brendan: yup 21:23 russ or break out into smaller groups 21:23 brendan also do a little bit of education for the amateur hackers 21:23 russ we have venue sorted for that, has 3 rooms so all can be together 21:22 russ sounds good to me :-) 21:21 chris we can get all excited and share ideas, then go home and code them 21:21 chris talking in person is so much more productive than us all staring at our screens ;) 21:21 chris think of it more as a developers unconference 21:20 chris speaking of the hackfest, there probably isnt going to be much hacking done 21:20 russ i plan to start recording that in a more private google doc 21:20 Ropuch ;> 21:20 nengard to give hackers ideas 21:20 nengard that would be useful pre-hackfest 21:20 nengard LOL 21:20 wizzyrea always good ideas come out of that 21:20 wizzyrea an open session about what we could do if we had all the money in the world to develop would be cool 21:20 russ ok so sponsorship 21:19 russ sweet 21:19 nengard and we can put out a call 21:19 nengard i'll put a form together at the end of the month 21:19 nengard no prob 21:19 russ ok so it think that is enough on the programme already - thanks nengard for heading that up 21:19 chilts sounds like a Google Form might be better already 21:18 russ but yeah submitt to google docs all good 21:18 russ chilts: i have some ideas there so maybe i will work in with nengard and get it sorted 21:18 chilts nengard: ah, good idea :) 21:18 nengard still public - but not dealing with emails!! :) 21:18 chilts yep 21:18 nengard chilts i was thinking more like a google form that puts it into a spreadsheet we can all share and then organize into a schedule 21:18 chris chilts: it could save it the same way it does the rego's eh? 21:18 wizzyrea tying koha to your website in general 21:18 chilts if you want something more funky that just a plain old form, we'll have to sort it out a different way (the website just does generic forms) 21:18 nengard :) 21:18 nengard yes - sopac!! 21:17 wizzyrea I want to see something about reports, something about customizing the interface (in all of it's myriad forms), something about SOPAC... 21:17 chris yeah, i think ppl are scared that they need to be techy 21:17 chilts nengard: we can now put up a form on the KohaCon website (with whatever fields you want) and it'll get emailed to Chris 21:17 nengard cause I did like 6 sessions last year and was exhausted :) 21:17 russ i think it would be good if we can nominate say one day as being of more interest to people new to koha 21:17 nengard chris we need to push the "non techy" thing and see if we can get more speakers 21:17 BobB Proposals should be 150 words, no more 21:17 chris right, but i think we can make a bigger effort to get ppl to submit talks too 21:17 DebJo would be nice for someone to write a blog of a dreamlist of presentations - themes, ideas, what they'd like to see. 21:17 russ we have a couple of people lined up to give some talks 21:17 russ nengard: sure :-) 21:16 nengard okay - here was my vision - I put up a form for people to submit proposals - short proposals - not long papers - then we review them and fit them into a schedule - i can tell you with KohaCon this year we didn't have enough people submitting ideas - so i don't know that there will be much to read 21:16 chris thats just my thoughts tho 21:16 chris ideally librarians presenting 90% of it would be awesome 21:16 russ nengard coordinator, rosalie, brendan, BobB is what i have 21:16 chris we have the hackfest to get techy 21:16 chris IMHO id like the conference to be not techy 21:16 wizzyrea but you can put me above her ;) 21:15 wizzyrea like jo though, down the list >.> 21:15 DebJo drop me off 21:15 nengard wow - how many people do we have now? 21:15 wizzyrea ^.^ sure 21:15 chris :) 21:15 chris i wonder if someone at nekls would like to help out with that too? 21:15 russ :-) 21:15 DebJo (she in a meeting at the library now) 21:14 DebJo Rosalie said yes 21:14 DebJo just checking with Rosalie now 21:14 russ but i am not sure how busy she is these days 21:14 brendan I can help nicole with reviews of proposals 21:14 DebJo seriously - last choice - make me 10th choice :) 21:14 * russ is going to hit up rosa as well to help with that 21:13 chris i second short abstracts too 21:13 DebJo I'm happy to be one of the readers of the papers, but as a last choice preferably 21:13 richard i can help with that one 21:13 russ sweet 21:13 chris cool 21:13 BobB I'm happy to help there. Busy till mid March but can still do stuff 21:13 nengard chris- oh heck yeah- i want help 21:13 chris with nengard coordinating 21:13 nengard short proposals are a-ok 21:13 chris we want to have probably 4 or 5 ppl 21:13 nengard but I don't want to make people submit 'papers' 21:13 nengard russ - i'll manage the program if you guys are okay with that 21:13 DebJo i seconf nicole :) 21:12 chilts russ: theme? 21:12 russ :-) 21:12 chris nicole is free from the end of feb 21:12 russ maybe come up with a theme etc... 21:12 russ as for the programme side we need some people who can review paper submissions 21:11 DebJo go Russ 21:11 russ so i'll be looking after most of the logistics/operational side of things 21:11 russ there are two streams of work 1)logistics 2)programme/theme 21:11 DebJo moving along now kids ... 21:11 brendan koha-community++ 21:11 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:11 chris :) 21:11 chris the nice thing about that site, is we can edit it !!! 21:10 DebJo sure 21:10 chris would you be able to do that DebJo ? 21:10 DebJo I think a blogpost on the koha-community site about donations now being accepted wouldbe timely 21:10 russ so as i see it there will be 2 streams of work for the moment 21:10 DebJo nw 21:10 chris and thanks to HLT for getting that done 21:10 chilts looks like a good outline as a start :) 21:09 chris yep, thanks to bywater and libriotech we are able to pay the deposit on the venue 21:09 russ thanks to those sponsors who have contributed already 21:08 russ Chris and I have worked up a base plan of attack http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:kohacon2010:2010conferenceplan 21:08 russ ok so point of today's meeting is just a kick off, not too much detail. 21:08 nod_ donovan jones, Catalyst IT 21:07 russ ok so sounds like a couple of people who would like to volunteer have been unable to make it, nvm we'll roll on 21:06 Ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE 21:06 * nengard Nicole Engard 21:06 russ :-) 21:06 chilts I think Don is coming soon :) 21:06 * gmcharlt Galen Charlton, sitting in 21:05 * chris_n chris Nighswonger FBC sitting in 21:05 richard richard anderson, katipo 21:05 chris chris cormack, catatlyst IT 21:05 * wizzyrea -> nekls, just sitting in 21:04 brendan brendan gallagher bywater solutions 21:04 BobB Bob Birchall, Calyx in Sydney 21:04 chilts Andy Chilton, Catalyst IT 21:04 IrmaCalyx Irma from CALYX 21:04 * russ -> Russel Garlick, Catalyst IT 21:04 Jo Deborahh Macdonald HLT 21:04 wizzyrea lol 21:04 * chilts puts his hand up 21:04 wizzyrea doh 21:04 Jo Joann Ransom, HLT 21:04 wizzyrea /msg gmcharlt one more question so as not to interrupt their meeting: is there any weighting of the holds system to attempt to match patrons with books from their own branch? besides the local holds stuff, of course. 21:04 russ who is here 21:04 russ apologies from Rosalie Blake 21:04 russ KohaCon10 meeting - agenda http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:kohacon2010:volunteers 21:03 BobB Good morning all 21:03 chilts hello everyone :) 21:03 Jo morning all 21:03 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yep 21:03 russ ok lets get started 21:02 braedon|work chris: the patron we are trying to enable renewing for has circulate and catalogue privileges. Can't see anything else that looks related 21:02 chris bulkmarcimport.pl is deprecated?? since when? 21:02 chris braedon|work: must be a diff one then 21:01 wizzyrea and they should print it before they walk into the stacks 21:01 wizzyrea you should run the hold queue more like hourly instead of 2x day 21:01 wizzyrea gmcharlt: so, say you have 30 libraries, all sending people out at varying times of the day 21:00 braedon|work chris: doesn't seem to work with circulation(3.00.05). 20:59 wizzyrea and that doesn't happen 20:59 wizzyrea it just seems like, no matter what, the 1st person on the list should always get the first available item. 20:59 nod_ 4 min? 20:59 russ more caffiene required 20:59 russ 5 mins :-) 20:59 wizzyrea item 3 is checked in, it goes back to patron 1 20:59 russ oops 20:59 russ kohacon volunteers meeting starts in 10 mins 20:58 wizzyrea that is good to know, gmcharlt 20:58 wizzyrea until you run the holds queue again 20:58 wizzyrea ignoring patron 1, who is still first on the list 20:57 wizzyrea 4 libraries, a b c and d, 1 book, 4 copies, 4 patrons, 1,2,3, and 4: patron 1 places a hold on title A. Hold queue runs, item 1 is assigned. Item is checked in, hold is IGNORED. Item 2 then is checked in, the system prompts to send the item to patron 2, who is 2nd on the list. 20:57 chris braedon|work: i think circulation 20:57 gmcharlt wizzyrea: the holds queue is really meant to be run as frequently as you send out staff to pick items from the stacks 20:55 wizzyrea sort of related 20:55 wizzyrea oh and i found something else 20:54 wizzyrea it's still "broken" but I wonder if it could be mitigated by running the hold queue more often 20:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3595 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold 20:54 wizzyrea I went through the holds process while looking at bug 3595 20:53 braedon|work does anyone know what permission an account needs to renew books from the staff interface? 20:53 chris faster 20:53 wizzyrea seems like there is an awful lot of coincidence of timing when you run infrequently 20:53 chris running it less would mean it would get out of date 20:53 chris i doubt much thought went into it 20:52 chris i suspect an hour was just a random thing 20:52 wizzyrea and is it better to run it more often, and have the librarians print it right before they do their picks? 20:51 wizzyrea is that because running it less often causes anomalies? 20:51 wizzyrea vague procedural question: there must be a reason that the example crontabs have the hold queue running every hour 20:42 wizzyrea i just got lucky enough to be the one he chose to take with him ^.^ 20:42 wizzyrea (the Bela Fleck tix were my hubs xmas present from me :)) 20:40 wizzyrea oh man, he was with the Africa Project, and those guys can PLAY. Holy cow. 20:40 brendan saw him in Santa Fe, NM 20:40 brendan yeah I've seen bela fleck he puts on a fun show 20:38 wizzyrea was a fabulous show 20:37 wizzyrea saw this guy with Bela Fleck on Saturday, I'm not usually so keen on bluegrass fiddle, but he's... different. 20:31 wizzyrea also good one 20:31 wizzyrea http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Sugarfoot+Rag+Freedom+Jazz+Dance/2yg1OU 20:31 cait1 brrrr :( 20:30 munin cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -8.3�C (9:21 PM CET on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady). 20:30 cait1 @wunder Konstanz 20:30 chris heh 20:30 wizzyrea back, flash 10. bleh. 20:29 wizzyrea brb 20:28 chris oh that is nice 20:27 wizzyrea and one from me too: http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684643780017304 20:25 chris todays song of the day http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Take+The+Long+Way+Home/2wcdE9 20:25 wizzyrea ok, strange operational question 20:20 wizzyrea truth! 20:14 chris heya gmcharlt 20:14 chris but now you can come to the kohacon meeting :) 20:14 gmcharlt hi chris 20:14 chris yep 20:11 wizzyrea nope, bummer eh? 20:11 chris hi wizzyrea, not on holiday? 20:10 wizzyrea mornin chris 20:09 chris hi cait and chris_n 20:08 chris hiya brendan 20:07 brendan morning chris 20:03 chris_n g'morning chris 20:03 cait1 morning chris 20:03 chris morning 20:01 cait1 chris_n: I dont have words for how happy this would make me! :) 19:56 * chris_n will now attempt to allow inserting fine totals in notices 19:55 chris_n well, overdue_notices.pl is a bit better behaved now 19:52 wizzyrea yvw 19:52 slef thanks a second time in 10 minutes :) 19:52 slef thought I was going blind 19:52 wizzyrea there we go :) 19:52 munin slef: The operation succeeded. 19:52 slef @later tell pianohackr|work it seems to be equivalent and means you can avoid installing dselect on newer systems, so please patch away. 19:51 slef ah! 19:51 wizzyrea oh, it's @later tell 19:51 munin slef: Error: I haven't seen pianohackr|work, I'll let you do the telling. 19:51 slef @tell pianohackr|work it seems to be equivalent and means you can avoid installing dselect on newer systems, so please patch away. 19:50 wizzyrea probably pianohackr|work 19:50 munin wizzyrea: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 0 hours, 34 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <pianohacker> brb work 19:50 wizzyrea @seen pianohacker 19:50 munin wizzyrea: pianohackr|work was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 39 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <pianohackr|work> You're welcome 19:50 wizzyrea @seen pianohackr|work 19:50 munin wizzyrea: Error: 'pianohacker|work' is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. 19:50 wizzyrea @seen pianohacker|work 19:49 slef wizzyrea: yes, that's it, thanks. 19:49 slef damn, what's his nick 19:49 munin slef: Error: I haven't seen pianohacker, I'll let you do the telling. 19:49 slef @tell pianohacker it seems to be equivalent and means you can avoid installing dselect on newer systems, so please patch away. 19:49 munin slef: Error: I haven't seen pianohackr, I'll let you do the telling. 19:49 slef @tell pianohackr it seems to be equivalent and means you can avoid installing dselect on newer systems, so please patch away. 19:48 wizzyrea slef: i was able to reproduce 19:47 wizzyrea if you don't like the screencast wrapper 19:46 wizzyrea http://content.screencast.com/users/lizrea/folders/Jing/media/5f1ee35e-539a-45ec-aa43-f89f001824d3/00000137.png 19:46 wizzyrea is that what you saw? 19:46 wizzyrea slef: http://screencast.com/t/MGY5OTE5M 19:43 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4189 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Searching z39.50 without selecting any servers results in error message 19:43 slef evening all - can someone just confirm that bug 4189 isn't local to us? 19:42 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is -1.0�C (2:00 PM EST on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005 hPa (Falling). 19:42 ebegin @wunder toronto, canada 19:39 chris_n ebegin: I'll be in Toronto next week 19:35 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -1.0�C (2:00 PM EST on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 19:35 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada 19:29 brendan keep coming :) 19:29 * chris_n tries to catch brendan 19:29 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 11.0�C (2:01 PM EST on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa (Falling). 19:29 chris_n @wunder 28334 19:17 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Wedemark, Germany is -5.8�C (7:59 PM CET on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling). 19:17 cait ok, it is really getting colder :( 19:17 imp @wunder hannover germany 19:16 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.7�C (8:11 PM CET on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady). 19:16 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:01 brendan hi cait 19:01 cait hi brendan 19:01 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.3�C (7:51 PM CET on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady). 19:01 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:01 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.4�C (10:57 AM PST on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). 19:00 brendan @wunder 93117 18:06 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 18:06 wizzyrea @later tell owen dk if this interests you: Bela Fleck will be in Athens on Feb. 18. Saw the show here, it was awesome 17:49 nengard gmcharlt - considered it .... on a conference call now - will do it later 17:49 wizzyrea the only thing left is to make the "Report Saved" page have a link to "Run this report now" 17:49 gmcharlt nengard: shall we get all fancy and register an ISSN for the Koha newsletter? 17:48 collum_ wizzyrea: just came up stairs from lunch. You're welcome. 17:48 wizzyrea it's a good idea but doesn't work :( 17:47 Colin ebegin:http://code.google.com/apis/books/ 17:47 wizzyrea k cool 17:47 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yep, I'll be moving it to future 17:47 wizzyrea er, being removed? 17:47 wizzyrea gmcharlt: rotating collections is coming out? 17:46 wizzyrea all sorts of goodies in here! 17:45 wizzyrea oh squee, whoever reorganized tools-home.pl: very nice job 17:43 ebegin chris_n, i'm trying to find which viewer you are referring about... :( 17:36 wizzyrea collum_: I love you, thanks for doing that to the saved reports page 17:35 Colin chris_n: just took a look the api looks nice. easy to use 17:24 chris_n did anybody checkout the cool embedded viewer api by google mentioned on the list? 17:23 kf bye koha :) 17:23 kf :) 17:23 wizzyrea i like it 17:22 wizzyrea you guys are funny 17:22 * gmcharlt mixes metaphors and points wizzyrea to collum_ if the zebra needs stripes 17:20 wizzyrea going to set up the cron jobs now ;) 17:20 * chris_n reminds wizzyrea to keep her zebra fed and watered 17:19 * wizzyrea does a bit of a happy dance 17:19 wizzyrea it works :) 17:16 kf gmcharlt: thx - I will try and you can make me resend the patch until its right :) 17:15 gmcharlt any new directories will get taken careful when you git-add the new files in them 17:14 gmcharlt adding new files is easy - just put them in place in your git tree, then git add the new files, then commit 17:14 kf gmcharlt: thx, so I will get to work later. Is there something more that I need to know? I was not sure about new files/directories in git 17:12 gmcharlt kf: I'll accept translations whenever they appear 17:12 gmcharlt right, but for now, the sysprefs SQL also needs to be brought over in order to initialize the sysprefs in the DB 17:12 kf gmcharlt: uh, so still a lot of work. is this something that could be added for 3.2 or will it be 3.4? 17:11 kf gmcharlt: ok, I saw there is a way to gernate .po-files now 17:11 gmcharlt and the userpermissions stuff - pretty much everything in the en mandatory directory 17:11 gmcharlt kf: you'll need to translate or bring over the sysprefs SQL scripts as well 17:11 kf german :) 17:10 ebegin kf, for which language? 17:10 * chris_n goes back to overdue_notices.pl 17:10 kf gmcharlt: can I just create a directory for DE-de with those 2 files or will it need all files translated for the installation process? 17:10 wizzyrea because I'm following the steps and I haven't gotten it to work without help 17:10 wizzyrea make it pretty and all that 17:10 kf gmcharlt: I finally finished translation of the default bibliographic marc framework and authority frameworks. 17:10 wizzyrea so, if someone wants to write up how they do it (the right way, or the usual way, or the best way, whatever) I'll be happy to nubify it 17:09 * chris_n too 17:09 * gmcharlt hopes that the Debianization happens for 3.4 as planned 17:09 gmcharlt and wizzyrea is right, always room for improvement 17:08 gmcharlt thanks 17:08 wizzyrea always room for improvement 17:08 ebegin gmcharlt, the line before gmcharlt joined #koha was "gmcharlt has really fixed it up" 17:08 chris_n but had to give you credit for the great improvement over what it used to be :) 17:08 wizzyrea and the docs are way better than they used to be 17:08 wizzyrea though the installer is way better than it used to be 17:08 kf hi gmcharlt 17:08 chris_n we were just dissing the installer and zebra a bit 17:08 ebegin This is really cool... 17:07 wizzyrea it's like he's psychic 17:07 chris_n the very mention of his nick brings him up :-) 17:07 gmcharlt 'ello, 'ello 17:07 wizzyrea (thinking of the poor librarians who just do tech because their director has told them to) 17:07 chris_n gmcharlt: snap 17:07 chris_n gmcharlt has really fixed it up 17:07 wizzyrea i mean, speaking from a pure newb perspective 17:07 chris_n however, the installer is much better than it used to be 17:06 wizzyrea should probably do several things: prompt you/help you create the koha user 17:06 ebegin chris_n, there are effectively some flaws in the installation process 17:06 chris_n the installer should probably check to see what user it is being run as and warn or make decisions based on that 17:05 wizzyrea and that 17:05 wizzyrea install as the koha user, at least, I missed it 17:04 chris_n ebegin: that doesn work too well for dev installs 17:04 wizzyrea but ahem, the docs don't direct you to do that 17:04 wizzyrea right 17:04 chris_n wizzyrea: you'll still have to run the script as kohauser from the shell 17:04 ebegin chris_n, it does if you install it using the koha user 17:03 chris_n another fix which would help 17:03 chris_n ownership should be taken care of by the installer 17:03 ebegin you get the Permission denied info, as far as I can tell 17:02 Colin the rebuild-zebra script doesnt give much (useful) output even in verbose 17:02 wizzyrea ty 17:02 wizzyrea very very close now, I can smell it 17:02 kf chris_n: i have a lot of problems with notices :( but the problem is fines.pl in combination with overdues.pl 17:02 ebegin all files in /var/lib/koha/zebradb/ 17:02 wizzyrea kool beans 17:02 ebegin yep that is correct 17:02 wizzyrea right? 17:02 wizzyrea ah, and colin, that needs to be owned by <kohauser> 17:01 Colin It writes to koha-dev/var/lib/zebradb 17:00 * chris_n thinks a bit of documentation would go a long way towards demystifying zebra 17:00 wizzyrea seems logical 17:00 wizzyrea chris_n I'm sure that will fix it 16:59 chris_n otherwise it will probably not work 16:59 wizzyrea kind of 16:59 wizzyrea they sort of talk about it during the install script 16:59 chris_n then run it 16:59 wizzyrea ebgin: good call 16:59 chris_n and enter your koha user's password 16:59 ebegin -v : verbose mode 16:59 chris_n su koha 16:59 ebegin run it with -v options. You may get more info 16:59 chris_n try 16:59 wizzyrea a good question, see, that really isn't in the docs 16:59 chris_n a point missed in the documentation iirc 16:59 chris_n are you running it as your koha user? 16:58 wizzyrea rebuild_zebra.pl 16:58 * wizzyrea mutters some more 16:58 chris_n which script? 16:58 * chris_n is not surprised 16:58 * wizzyrea mutters something about maybe zebra isn't running... 16:58 wizzyrea interesting, the script completes with no errors, but there is no zebra log in /var/log or koha-dev/var/log 16:57 chris_n even, even :-P 16:57 chris_n depends eve 16:57 chris_n the location of which dependes you your setup 16:57 ebegin chris_n, ok, that confirms what I thought. I won't need the stable version to be managed on git though... however, my clients one has to be on git, so is the daily one too... 16:57 chris_n their in var/log 16:56 * wizzyrea would write it, if she could ever get it to work 16:56 chris_n om 16:56 * chris_n agrees 16:56 * wizzyrea thinks there really needs to be better zebra setup documentation 16:56 chris_n if you actually want them to be up all the time, you'd need two repos 16:56 wizzyrea bleh, where are the zebra logs kept? 16:55 chris_n if so, I'd just setup two branches and change back and forth 16:55 chris_n is this for development 16:54 chris_n you want to run over git 16:54 chris_n ahh 16:54 ebegin chris_n, how can I have both running at the same time? 16:54 chris_n ebegin: see http://git.foundations.edu/?p=koha.git;a=heads 16:54 * chris_n assumes a public repo 16:54 chris_n ebegin: not necessarily... you can do two different branches 16:53 ebegin If I want them to be available all day long, do I need 2 differents repo on my server? 16:50 * ebegin is trying to figure out the best way to setup its git repo to allow an access to a daily version and latest stable version... 16:48 wizzyrea I want to tromp around with the spud on a sled, but no sleds to be found in my town 16:48 wizzyrea man, I keep trying to buy a sled, but the stores are all out 16:42 * wizzyrea nods 16:29 * chris_n wonders why LibLime would complain about the quality of community code after submitting such a mess as that script is :-\ 16:28 chris_n is anyone actually using overdue_notices.pl with any measure of success? 16:28 brendan heya 16:27 nengard hiya 16:27 chris_n hi brendan && nengard 16:27 brendan morning #koha 16:04 chris_n put the snow away and went back to work on Monday ;) 16:04 chris_n toted the sled behind the 4 wheeler with the children 16:03 chris_n made lots of snowcream :-) 16:03 chris_n yup... had snow saturday for all of 6 hour or so 16:00 wizzyrea good weekend? 16:00 wizzyrea heya chris_n 15:59 chris_n heya wizzyrea 15:59 chris_n Colin: I'm doing a bit of work in it, but it seems it should be reworked entirely 15:56 * wizzyrea wants a holiday, but traded it for the day after Thanksgiving 15:56 Colin chris_n I suspect overdue_notices.pl is as buggy as you think 15:52 ebegin hehe... right! 15:52 chris_n ebegin: somebody has to keep things going :) 15:51 * chris_n wonders if overdue_notices.pl is really as buggy as he thinks 15:51 ebegin and you are working? :) 15:51 ebegin ok, thanks. 15:50 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 7.1�C (7:45 AM PST on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising). 15:50 brendan @wunder 93117 15:50 chris_n president's day... aka George Washington's birthday 15:50 ebegin chris_n, which holiday it is? 15:32 ebegin Ah, that's why... :) 15:31 chris_n its a holiday for some in the us 15:28 ebegin hi kf. A quiet day, isn't :) 15:28 kf hi ebegin 15:22 ebegin Hi #koha! 14:07 hilongo a shining sun is always welcome :) 13:58 magnus_away but hey, i just saw the sun shining on my windowsill for the first time this year! :-) 13:58 munin magnus_away: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (2:20 PM CET on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 13:58 magnus_away @wunder bodo, norway 13:57 kf coldest :( 13:57 munin collum_: The current temperature in Taylor Mill, Taylor Mill, Kentucky is -1.3�C (8:52 AM EST on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 6 am EST Tuesday... 13:57 collum_ @wunder 41017 13:56 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.4�C (2:51 PM CET on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). 13:56 kf @wunder Konstanz 13:53 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 3.0�C (8:41 AM EST on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 13:53 chris_n @wunder 28334 13:52 munin hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 24.0�C (10:00 AM ART on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 13:52 hilongo @wunder Mendoza, Argentina 13:18 hilongo gooooooddd moooorningggg ... Koha :) 11:10 magnus kf: yeah, looks really interesting! 11:10 kf magnus: yes, but in dave patterns blog are some ideas for anonymizing data from issues and he has a web service 11:08 magnus kf: ah, important difference 11:07 kf magnus: bibtip works with search - not with issues. its more: people who looked at also looked at... 11:05 kf magnus: this might be interesting too: http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/49 and http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/69 11:04 gmcharlt bbiab - starting a four-hour drive 11:02 kf no problem 11:02 magnus thanks for the link! 11:01 kf you have to pay for it, but it was developed at a university 11:01 kf http://www.bibtip.org/ 11:01 magnus the norwegian "library laboratory" is thinking about creating a service for sharing things like this freely, so any examples are very interesting 11:00 magnus ok, got a link for that? commercial service? 11:00 kf I think they work without patron specific data 10:59 kf there is a similar feature called bibtip you can integrate in your catalog here in germany 10:58 kf if I understood correctly 10:58 kf because you would need something to file that patrons wanted to keep their data, an email or something 10:58 kf the new feature is great but still not enough (thats what I have been told) 10:58 magnus it's based on "people who borrowed this also borrowed...", i think? 10:58 kf hm 10:57 kf dont know why it needs patron data 10:57 magnus i think i heard that it will be possible for patrons to choose whether to keep their reading history or not - is it possible to base this feature on the patrons who choose to keep their history? 10:56 kf same here 10:56 magnus yeah, that's not gonna go down well with the norwegian "Data Inspectorate" 10:55 kf why does it not work with anonymized data? will be a real problem here :( 10:55 kf "The recommendations feature only works for libraries who don’t anonymise their patron data" 09:13 |Lupin| (hi chirs) 09:13 |Lupin| guten morgen kf ! :) 09:12 |Lupin| paul_p: hi ! indeed :-) 09:12 kf hi |Lupin| 09:12 paul_p hello |Lupin| Long time no see ! 09:12 chris hi paul_p :) and hi |Lupin| 09:12 chris well they shouldnt be using their vendors aws key, that certainly would be a violation of the TOS 09:12 kf happy monday paul (although I dont know whats happy about mondays) 09:11 |Lupin| hello there 09:11 magnus unless their vendor does it for them... 09:11 magnus yup 09:11 chris its the library who signs up to AWS 09:11 * magnus agreed 09:11 chris its not koha's place 09:10 chris but if a library is unsure they should ask 09:10 chris and 2008 09:10 chris 2006 09:09 magnus chris: when was that? 09:08 magnus thanks, same to you paul_p! 09:08 paul_p happy monday to all ! 09:08 paul_p hello chris, magnus, kf & Ropuch 09:07 chris last time anyone asked amazon they said it was fine 09:06 magnus anyone have any thoughts on the legality of using amazon stuff in the opac, re the message on the list? 09:05 magnus wow, those recommendations look cool 09:03 Amit heya Ropuch, kf 08:59 Ropuch Hi kf 08:56 kf I understand :) 08:55 chris so bit big to go in 3.2 at this point 08:54 chris it has a new table for the db, a module, some template changes and a cron job 08:54 chris :) 08:53 kf always the same... 3.2 is not really here and I already long for 3.4 08:53 chris its all ready to commit for 3.4 08:52 chris heh 08:52 kf oooh recommendations! http://library.ashs.school.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1854 08:35 kf hi chris 08:28 chris hi kf 08:27 kf good morning 08:16 nicomo hi chris 08:09 chris hi nicomo 08:09 nicomo hi all 07:28 chris nod_: should be better now 07:26 Ropuch Hi chris 07:24 chris hi Ropuch 06:44 Ropuch Morning #koha 04:27 nod_ http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/subscribe/koha 04:26 nod_ which doesnt exist 04:26 nod_ it points at http://koha.org/includes/css/screen.css 04:26 nod_ css is broken on mailman 03:47 brendan hi amit 03:33 chris_n bywater++ 03:33 Amit heya chris_n 03:33 chris_n heya Amit 03:33 chris_n fwiw: nice open source routable gps maps: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php 03:33 Amit heya brendan 03:26 Jo :) 03:26 Jo libriotech++ 03:26 brendan so true jo 03:26 Jo bywater++ 03:25 Jo when I grow I am going to get a job where I don't have to micromanage every dollar ... oh wait - that means I can't be a public librarian! 03:25 chris bywater++ 03:25 chris yay brendan 03:24 brendan :) 03:24 Jo Brendan: Thanks buddy for the donation to KohaCon 2010 ( we are now solvent :) 03:09 * chris_n finds www.openstreetmap.org 02:08 russ that reminds me - i need chris to proof something before irc meeting tomorrow 02:06 Jo its good mate - just need to know we can cover it from donations 02:03 russ we will be a lot more organised by then :-) 02:01 chris *nod* 02:01 Jo Next payment not until 25 Sept so plenty of time 02:01 russ thanks jo 02:01 chris thank you 02:01 Jo very good. I will pay by cheque and can cover it in the interim 02:01 chris ill talk to them tonight 02:00 chris cool, i think with the biblibre amount plus what libriotech donated, we should have that 02:00 Jo bankroll as in pay 02:00 Jo $1046 01:59 * russ obviously misread 01:59 chris how much is it jo? 01:58 chris we just need to pay a quarter at this stage eh? 01:58 chris ill talk to biblibre tonight and see if they can hit the paypal button 01:57 russ or bankroll as in hold the account? 01:57 russ bankroll as in pay for? 01:57 russ ?? 01:55 Jo any idea how long we will need to bankroll KohaCon? ( afew days / weeks is fine) 01:55 Jo I have to make the first payment for the kohacon venue today and $ are about to become an issue ... 01:54 Jo Chris / Russ : either of you about? 01:53 Jo hola 01:24 munin braedon|work: The current temperature in Tauranga Aerodrome Aws, New Zealand is 23.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on February 15, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 01:24 braedon|work @wunder tauranga nz 00:43 chris yep, beating me 00:43 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on February 15, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 00:43 chris @wunder wellington nz 00:43 brendan :) 00:43 brendan wow was hot today 00:42 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.5�C (4:40 PM PST on February 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Falling). 00:42 brendan @wunder 93117 00:41 chris will do :) 00:41 gmcharlt chris: please give my compliments to Will. I've pushed his patches 00:35 Genji so..... yes, some optimization might be good... 00:34 Genji for 'open source ils' second page, four down it, the first koha-community link. first one was Evergreen, and when koha was mentioned, it was liblime site. 00:33 gmcharlt Genji: yeah, need to ask wizzyrea to fix that so that koha-community.org ends up with a better summary in Google search results 00:32 Genji 7th down, bywater gets a mention in 'koha library' .. its the first koha-community related link un liblime related. 00:29 chris well its about 6 years older, so bound to be more links to it :) 00:28 Genji koha library .... our old savannah site pops up before any koha-community site. 00:27 chris like galen said, put up useful content and it will move up the rankings 00:27 chris yeah, not too worried 00:27 Genji ranks 1 through to 3 are liblime sites. 00:27 braedon|work third page for "koha" 00:26 Genji oh.. i searched for 'koha ils', btw. 00:26 gmcharlt Genji: what search did you do, exactly? 00:25 chris doesnt seem bad to me 00:25 chris 4th after only 2 weeks 00:25 Genji eh.... needs some Search optimization... 00:25 Genji koha-community.org/ 00:25 Genji 2 Feb 2010 ... Staff Interface Demo site for the Staff interface of the Koha ILS. Username = bywater Password = bywater. Miss a post? ... 00:25 Genji Koha Open Source ILS 00:25 Genji and fourth down... 00:24 Genji www.koha.org/ 00:24 Genji An open source library system for public libraries which includes catalog searches and member organizing. 00:24 Genji Welcome to koha.org! � Koha - Open Source ILS - Integrated Library ... 00:24 chris thats about all we can do 00:24 chris point people to koha-community when they ask 00:24 gmcharlt Genji: that's a game for the long haul - whichever site is actually more useful for ordinary Koha users will get the Google juice 00:24 Genji and as for koha publicity driving traffic to liblime instead of koha-community? 00:22 chris my current plan is let liblime and its customers sort themselves out, and lets just get back to working on koha 00:21 chris its at the same place it was before, totally unknown 00:21 Genji how does this affect our bid of getting koha.org under community control? 00:21 chris yeah, it doesnt really concern us so much, its more for liblime clients 00:21 gmcharlt ultimately the truth of whatever happened is likely to be known only by the companies involved 00:20 gmcharlt however ... 00:20 gmcharlt Genji: there was some chatter on #koha, a small blizzard of tweets, a Library Journal article, and so forth 00:20 Genji its like no ones taken note of it. 00:20 * gmcharlt strokes beard, says "It's all very interesting" 00:19 Genji unsure. no ones discussed it. 00:18 chris respond how? 00:18 Genji anyone going to respond to liblime and ptfs falling out?