Time Nick Message 00:26 rhcl_away Hey Jo, you still here? 00:30 rhcl Jo: catch you later, I'm leaving for the day 00:30 chris_n @wunder 28334 00:30 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 4.6�C (7:24 PM EST on February 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect from Friday afternoon through late Friday night... 00:31 * chris_n prepares his raft 00:46 Jo yep 01:36 chris_n gmcharlt about? 01:37 chris_n @later tell gmcharlt: it does not look as if this patch made it in yet: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1401 01:37 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 03:06 * chris_n works through his buglist for a bit 03:31 chris_n ok, mini-bugsqush session over 03:31 chris_n g'night #koha 03:35 Amit hi brendan 03:35 Amit morning #koha 03:40 braedon|work would someone be able to check searching nat library of NZ using the z39.50 search in Koha for me? It doesn't seem to work from Koha, but goes fine from my own perl script. 03:40 SelfishMan aaaaaafafl;jflfjfdffdddfd 03:40 SelfishMan s 03:40 braedon|work ... 03:40 braedon|work ok SelfishMan 03:40 SelfishMan oops. xon/xoff issue with screen 03:41 braedon|work lol 03:46 braedon|work so no one around that could check nat lib for me? 03:47 braedon|work damn 03:55 braedon|work well, goodnight #koha 03:56 braedon|work natlib will have to wait until monday 04:01 brendan hi Amit 04:01 brendan good day to you 07:02 Ropuch Morning #koha 08:57 chris hi europe 08:58 kf hi chris :) 09:00 nahuel hi Kiwiz 09:00 Ropuch Hi kf, chris, nahuel 09:01 nahuel hi Ropuch 09:01 nahuel and kf 09:01 nahuel and chris 09:01 nahuel and all :) 09:03 Ropuch While adding an item to a basket i get "No ACQ framework, using default. You should create a framework with code ACQ, the items framework would be used" 09:16 kf you can add one call it acq and modify 952 fields to your needs in acquisition 09:23 Ropuch kf: thanks! 09:25 kf I think its a really nice idea - would think one specific framework for serials would be nice too :) 09:26 Ropuch Yup 09:26 Ropuch :) 09:35 kf ropuch: have you an alpha-installtion where you can test something for me? 09:50 Ropuch kf: i have head 09:50 Ropuch But I can set up alpha if you give me 5 minutes 09:52 kf no head is fine 09:53 kf can yu tell me your current setting for QueryAutoTruncate? 09:57 kf we have problems with search when its turned off - turned on works fine. I just want to know if this is a general problem before filing a bug 09:59 Ropuch Sorry, phonecall 09:59 Ropuch I have QueryAutoTruncate set to auto 10:05 Ropuch kf: and it works like it's supposed to be 10:08 Ropuch kf: my other search settings are: http://bagno.be/search.png 10:09 Ropuch I'm pretty sure these are default settings 10:14 kf ok 10:14 kf sorry was afk 10:15 kf we had it off 10:15 kf can you try setting it off? 10:19 kf "only if * is added" 10:20 kf and make a keyword search? 10:25 kf in our installation it breaks search :( 10:32 Ropuch kf: it's working 10:33 kf hm 10:33 kf somehow I hoped it would cause you problems too 10:33 kf have you a new installation or an updated one? 10:34 Ropuch Updated 10:34 kf ok, we came from 3.1.61 10:35 kf its just so strange 10:35 Ropuch Hm actually my update was unusual 10:36 Ropuch I clean-installed head version and then imported my 3.00.05 dump before running web installer 10:36 kf hm ok 10:36 kf thank you for testing Ropuch 10:37 kf will try to talk to gmcharlt about it later, he made some suggestions yesterday what we could do or check 10:38 Ropuch But after few more searches i think QueryAutoTruncate isn't working at all - when i search for querry 'Brand' with (only if * is added) I have Brand(t)meister in the results (QueryStemming is off) 10:39 Ropuch And all the books with title/subject Brandt 10:40 Ropuch kf: if you need any further testing, just ping me ;> 10:40 kf thank you :) 11:41 kf gmcharlt: around? 11:41 gmcharlt hi kf 11:42 kf ah hi 11:42 kf we have some problems with our test installation 11:42 kf patched 3.01.61 - HEAD standard install 11:43 kf we found out that switching QueryAutoTruncate ON = atomatically solves our search problem 11:43 kf switching it to OFF = only if * is added breaks search 11:44 kf I asked Ropuch to test it in his installation, but is works with both settings for him, except that it always seems to truncate searches 11:45 gmcharlt interesting - based on that, I thnk I definitely would need to see your Zebra config files to debug further 11:45 kf my colleague said its standard now 11:45 kf no icu 11:45 kf no additional indexes we added etc. 11:46 kf but I can ask him for them of course 11:46 gmcharlt thans 11:46 kf there is another problem 11:46 kf I cant access rotating collections and patron card creator - the files were not created 11:47 gmcharlt rotating collections will be moved out of 3.2, but I know what's wrong re patron card creator and will fix that 11:47 kf can this be a problem caused by our standard install? 11:47 gmcharlt Makefile.PL needs to be updated 11:47 kf ah 11:47 kf should I file a bug for this? 11:48 gmcharlt no need, I'll take care of it in a couple minutes 11:48 kf I got a bit unsure if its just a problem with our installation 11:49 kf ok, thank you 11:50 kf which files do you need? bib1.att, records.abs, ccl.properties? a special folder from zebra? 11:50 gmcharlt the whole /etc/koha/zebra directory 11:56 kf my colleague told me he compared the files yesterday to those in git 11:57 kf and they are the same 11:57 kf and search works fine when switching it on - should the problem not be located elsewhere in this case? search.pm or perhaps a bad sys pref combination? 12:01 gmcharlt hmm, if they're identical, then please send me the values of all of the search related sysprefs 12:03 kf just made a screenshot 12:03 kf :) 12:03 kf http://opac.bsz-bw.de/koha_temp/search_config.png 12:03 kf thats what Ropuch had - QueryFuzzy setting is different from our http://bagno.be/search.png 12:04 kf ah, ok, wrong screenshot - this is the working configuration, change QueryAutoTruncate and it stops working 12:19 gmcharlt kf: re autotruncation, when queryautotruncate is off, it doesn't work for any search, even if the search term is a whole word? 12:20 kf my example is israel 12:24 kf oh israel* works when its set to off 12:25 kf but not israel 12:26 kf same with another word: query is off: stuttgart = 0 stuttgart* = 1109 12:26 jdavidb g'mornin, #koha. 12:27 kf good morning jdavidb 12:28 kf seems like "only if * is added* means that you have to add * to get results at all :( 12:34 jdavidb @wunder 20852 12:34 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -0.4�C (7:23 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST Saturday... 12:35 jdavidb Sounds about right...the calm before the storm. 12:36 kf @wunder Konstanz 12:36 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.0�C (1:29 PM CET on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). 12:39 gmcharlt @later tell chris_n patch added 12:39 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 12:40 kf gmcharlt: can you reproduce it in your installation? 12:42 gmcharlt kf: no - instead, I'm seeing the behavior Ropuch seems, where the auto-truncate setting is ignored entirely 12:42 kf oh my :( 12:43 gmcharlt ah, wait, hold on ... 12:45 gmcharlt querryfuzzy = on seems to be required 12:45 kf guten morgen jwagner 12:46 kf gmcharlt: no difference here 12:46 kf have fuzzy to try and autotruncate to only if... and only truncated searches get results 12:47 jdavidb mornin', jwagner. 12:48 gmcharlt kf: ok, found it, at least for my install - queryweightfields must be on 12:48 kf oh 12:48 kf I think this is the one that icu does not like 12:49 jwagner morning all. 12:50 kf gmcharlt: with queryweightfields on, fuzzy off, truncate off it seems to work correctly here too 12:53 gmcharlt is anybody else having problems getting a response from http://git.koha.org ? 12:53 kf gmcharlt: icu indexing did not work with some search sys prefs on - so we had to turn them off. we will need to test icu next with that settings. 12:53 kf gmcharlt: git - yes 12:56 gmcharlt I've emailed cfouts about it 12:56 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I think I sent some patches about queryautotruncate. 12:57 jwagner gmcharlt, I get a response eventually -- at least the page has started to display. But it's VERY slow. 12:57 hdl_laptop It is fixed on 3.0.x 12:58 kf hdl_laptop: could be part of our problem - our installation is patched from 3.1.61 12:59 gmcharlt I see no auto-truncate patches in the patch list queue - could you point them out to me? 13:00 hdl_laptop mmmm... maybe a smtp-server problem at that time 13:01 gmcharlt well, at this points commit IDs for cherry-picking from 3.0.x might be better anyway, assuming that the patches in question are reasonably self-contained 13:05 gmcharlt jwagner: whatever it was, git.koha.org problem was transitory 13:06 jwagner gremlins.... 13:06 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: you will have them in 13:06 hdl_laptop patches resent 13:11 nengard hmm - I'm working on adding the acq preferences back into Koha - but for some reason when I type 360,000.00 the system changes it to 360000 -- ideas? 13:12 gmcharlt nengard: try setting the syspref type to float 13:13 nengard gmcharlt - i worded that poorly - it's in the db fine, it's just displaying on the screen funny - but I solved it by adding text to the pull down 13:13 owen Hi all 13:13 nengard now - hdl_laptop - are we still using the pdformat preference? or was that replaced by OrderPdfFormat? 13:14 hdl_laptop I think OrderPdfFormat 13:14 nengard that's what it looks like 13:14 nengard thanks! 13:22 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: the patches I just sent donot seem to be the latest ones I thought I should send 13:25 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: ok, I'll ignore the 17 patches you just emailed and await a corrected submission 13:25 gmcharlt make the 20 patche you just emailed 13:34 schuster nengard you here? 13:34 nengard here 13:35 schuster I was just reading Jo's post to the list about trademarks - do you have any Librarian Lawyer friends that deal with international laws? 13:35 schuster The whole Global thing gets tricky... 13:37 gmcharlt nengard: hdl_laptop: what are valid choices for OrderPdfFormat ? as is, that syspref is rather unfriendly 13:37 nengard gmcharlt - no idea :) it was a text box in the old interface so I just copied that 13:38 nengard schuster - I don't know - I can check when I'm done patching today - but many of the law librarians I know charge for research and I haven't worked with them for 3+ years now - so favors are getting less frequent :( 13:40 chris_n g'morning 13:42 nengard hdl_laptop does casServerUrl require you enter the http:// or not? 13:42 nengard morning chris_n 13:44 chris_n nengard: patron card code should be all patched up now for you continued testing enjoyment 13:44 nengard awesome 13:45 nengard will do when i'm done patching :) 13:45 nengard trying to add the missing sys prefs in 13:45 chris_n patching is the word of the day 13:45 nengard patching is the word of the month :) 13:45 nengard 3.2 is the goal!!! 13:45 chris_n let's keep gmcharlt busy ;-) 13:45 chris_n as if he is not busy enough already 13:46 * gmcharlt continues the tradition started yesterday, hides 13:46 matts nengard, yes, it does require the https:// part 13:46 nengard thanks matts 13:46 matts you welcome 13:51 * jwagner sets the bloodhounds on gmcharlt's trail 13:54 nengard okay - another preference question - it used to be that you set AnonSuggestions to a borrower ID and used that patron for suggestions - but now it says on/off or allow/don't allow - so which is it? 13:56 rhcl_awake what are all you people doing on here so early in the morning? coffee ain't even boiled yet 13:56 jdavidb Early? 13:57 imp it's nearly 15:00 ;) 13:57 * jdavidb checks the clock... then looks out a window... no, the Snowpocalypse hasn't started yet. 13:59 chris_n lol jdavidb :-) 13:59 chris_n the rainpocalypse is in progress in NC 13:59 jdavidb We're expecting 18-24" in the next 36 hours here. 14:00 imp nice :) 14:00 rhcl_awake well, we got an inch last night 14:00 owen Freezing rain here, schools are already closed. 14:01 * owen hopes he doesn't have to spend the weekend at work 14:01 * owen will call a 48-hour bug-squashing marathon if so 14:02 gmcharlt owen++ 14:02 nengard :) 14:02 * gmcharlt calls up owen's boss ;) 14:02 nengard LOL 14:03 jdavidb owen++ ;I'd be in for that. 14:03 hilongo oohh.. if tou could see how pretty is everything around here ... with all the sun and flowers and birds :P 14:03 owen :D 14:03 hilongo @wunder mendoza, Argentina 14:03 munin hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 25.0�C (10:00 AM ART on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 14:03 jwagner hilongo, you is asking for trouble! 14:04 owen Wow, that's the place to be hilongo! 14:04 jwagner @wunder 20740 14:04 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 1.2�C (9:01 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST Saturday... 14:05 * hilongo puts away his 'margarita' to type 14:05 * owen thinks hilongo should hire us all to conduct on-site Koha seminars 14:05 rhcl_awake sun and flowers and birds, and I've got cold and snow and a whinny cat 14:05 hilongo yep ... it's nice today aver here ... don't count me in for the bug-squashing marathon ;) 14:05 rhcl_awake but coffee is served now, so things are looking up 14:07 rhcl_awake @wonder 64505 14:07 munin rhcl_awake: Error: "wonder" is not a valid command. 14:07 rhcl_awake @wunder 64505 14:07 munin rhcl_awake: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is -0.7�C (8:04 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... 14:07 owen The patches folder in my email is filling up before my eyes 14:10 rhcl_awake rhcl mutters to self "I went to school in College Park, MD" 14:10 nengard i'm working on sys pref bugs - and in the circuation preferences there is a comment that reads: 14:10 nengard broken, omitted: emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced, holdCancelLength, WebBasedSelfCheck 14:10 nengard anyone know about these prefs? 14:10 nengard I havne't had probs with WebBasedSelfCheck ... 14:11 nengard @wunder 19030 14:11 munin nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is -0.9�C (9:00 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday... 14:11 nengard i'm on a roll owen :) 14:11 gmcharlt nengard: emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced and holdCancelLength are definitely broken 14:12 gmcharlt WebBasedSelfCheck is not 14:12 nengard that's what i thought ;) 14:12 nengard I'll put it back in 14:12 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 14:12 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (2:50 PM CET on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 14:13 magnus at least it's almost the weekend here... ;-) 14:13 schuster WebBasedSelfCheck works great - we only have one problem is dealing with holds... But I havn't put any money back into that. I'll create a bug to track it. 14:13 gmcharlt nengard: ping me when you're done with prefs patches for the day - I'll push 'em en masse 14:13 schuster Meaning the self check won't allow you to checkout a book on hold for someone else and there isn't an easy way to override it - the librarian has to get involved. 14:14 nengard will do gmacharlt 14:14 schuster actually that isn't a bug but a workflow issue. so I won't bug it... 14:14 schuster FYI we LOVE WebBasedSelfCheck... as it is... 14:14 gmcharlt schuster: it's an enhancement request though, so please *do* put it into bugs.koha.org ;) 14:15 schuster I don't know how you would enhance it... I guess maybe a message with a prompt for override by someone with appropriate credentials? 14:16 gmcharlt by providing options - (a) silently allow the loan and rejigger the holds queue (b) add an ability for staff member to enter override on the spot (c) stick with current bheavior 14:16 gmcharlt depends on what the library wants 14:16 gmcharlt e.g., if on-shelf hold requests are allowed, library may want the hold request to trump 14:18 moodaepo @wunder Mankato. MN 14:18 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -1.4�C (8:15 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling). 14:19 gmcharlt @wunder Gainesville, FL 14:19 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Central Gainesville, Gainesville, Florida is 19.1�C (9:16 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising). Lake Wind Advisory in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM EST this evening... 14:19 moodaepo gmcharlt wins! 14:20 * moodaepo wonders what the heck is "Lake Wind Advisory" : ) 14:20 gmcharlt keep your small children weighted down 14:20 schuster @wunder Plano,TX 14:20 munin schuster: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 4.7�C (8:17 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising). 14:21 schuster brrr... 14:21 schuster I've put in a but @bug 4120 for the enhancement on web based self check. 14:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4120 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, WebBasedSelfCheck 14:27 schuster question so if I'm on 3.00.x - I should be able to do the 3.2 tarbal as an upgrade on a test system correct and start playing with 3.2? 14:31 chris_n @wunder 28334 14:31 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 1.3�C (9:28 AM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect from noon EST today through late tonight... 14:47 schuster seeing the discussion on sounds again - @bug 1080 - love the discussion! 14:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1080 enhancement, P2, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, REOPENED, How about telling the template to make a noise on circulation errors? 14:53 * owen notices that saving a MARC record now redirects you to the MARC detail page rather than the additem screen 14:53 gmcharlt hmm - when did that happen? 14:54 * owen doesn't know 14:54 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: ^^ commit is 709e3b - why was change made? 14:54 gmcharlt seems like it should be a cataloger preference 14:55 gmcharlt (actually, staff operator preferences, as opposed to system preferences, would be nice to add for 3.4) 14:56 gmcharlt owen: ok, looks like creating new bib sends you to item form, editing bib does not 14:56 owen I guess that makes a certain amount of sense. 14:56 gmcharlt makes sense to me too 14:57 owen Beware of changing catalogers' expectations about their workflow! 14:57 * owen will have to warn them 14:57 gmcharlt so whether operator pref is needed will be decided by whether I get a herd of angry catalogers outside my door 14:57 jwagner I prefer it this way -- it's always annoyed me that editing a bib record takes me into item creation instead of back to the display. 14:58 owen Maybe a button that says "save and add items?" 14:58 gmcharlt +1 (no need for syspref, then) 14:58 owen I wonder if that redirect should obey the bibliodefaultview preference 14:59 gmcharlt would be nice 15:13 hdl_laptop owen when you modify a record, it is quite logicial to be redirected to the display of the record. 15:14 hdl_laptop when you create a new record, then redirection is on additem 15:14 hdl_laptop this was asked 15:14 nengard gmcharlt - i think i'm done with the sys prefs patches 15:14 owen hdl_laptop: Do you agree that this redirect should follow the IntranetBiblioDefaultView system preference? 15:19 gmcharlt nengard: I've pushed them - I'll leave it to you to deal with updating/closing the bugs 15:21 hdl_laptop owen: yes. 15:21 * owen will see if he can make it so 15:22 nengard thanks gmcharlt 15:57 gmcharlt owen: if you're feeling even more ambitious, a new C4 function to create the IntranetBiblioDefaultView redirect would be nice 16:01 * owen grumbles about this circ error message: http://zivotdesign.com/examples/circ-error-message.png 16:01 gmcharlt very zen-like 16:04 jwagner Again??? That one keeps showing up.... 16:06 schuster ???circ error message??? 16:07 owen jwagner: Did you think it was fixed? 16:07 jwagner I know it's shown up & I thought it was patched. 16:07 jwagner But I could be mistaken.... 16:09 jwagner There's Bug 4036, but I thought there was an earlier bug/patch too 16:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING 16:11 owen Thanks, I couldn't remember if I'd filed a bug before 16:11 wizzyrea for you east coasters 16:11 wizzyrea http://twitpic.com/11i0dy 16:11 wizzyrea and good morning 16:12 chris_n am I correct in the thought that it appears at present we do not check for/limit duplicate userid's 16:12 * owen obeys wizzyrea and hits the liquor store 16:12 jwagner wizzyrea -- Harrumph! 16:13 * jwagner falls in the totally screwed category.... 16:13 jdavidb I love that graphic, wizzyrea! 16:13 jwagner chris_n, you mean patron barcodes? I thought it wouldn't let you save a duplicate? 16:13 wizzyrea yea, you'll note that I also fall in the "hit the liquor store" area :D 16:13 chris_n jwagner: no borrowers.userid 16:14 owen chris_n: I tried to save a patron record with a duplicate username and password and I got an error 16:14 owen "Login/password already exists." 16:14 jwagner The OPAC login? 16:14 owen Yes 16:14 chris_n owen: tnx 16:14 owen This from memberentry.pl 16:14 jwagner (I think chris_n falls in the "buy a boat" area)! 16:14 * chris_n thinks the that column should be defined as unique 16:14 * chris_n prepared his raft last evening ;-) 16:15 * jdavidb makes that pic his desktop background. The evil minion will laugh her ears off at that. 16:15 wizzyrea hehehe 16:15 chris_n all of the essentials: food and wireless internet 16:15 owen ...but really it's warning about the OPAC login, not the password. 16:15 chris_n I'll open a bug for it 16:16 chris_n it bears more looking into and fixing as well 16:16 wizzyrea owen: I know you're terribly busy... you said you had an alternate koha logo for the temp website? 16:16 owen Yeah, thanks for reminding me 16:20 chris_n ok, dup userid's are caught when creating new patrons 16:21 chris_n but dups are not caught by the import_borrowers.pl script 16:33 nengard got a question - does OpacPrivacy control whether the patron reading history is kept in the staff client as well? cause if the data is kept at all then it's not really private .... 16:36 * jwagner thinks I'll head for the liquor store, er, fast food joint 16:42 owen wizzyrea: How about this? http://zivotdesign.com/examples/kohalogo-g.png 16:42 wizzyrea yes, delightful :D 16:43 wizzyrea done 16:43 wizzyrea beautiful, owen 16:45 wizzyrea oh 16:45 wizzyrea can o worms 16:45 wizzyrea Presumably there will need to be some sort of licensing information on the new site 16:45 wizzyrea CC or .. 16:45 wizzyrea for the site content itself 16:48 nengard manual is licensed under the CC - just fyi 16:48 nengard and i ahve that in the xml 16:48 owen Since we're going through this with the wiki: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing ... 16:49 owen Should we stick to GPL 2 for other content? 16:50 nengard gmcharlt - no matter what i set WebBasedSelfCheck to i can access the web self checkout page ... so maybe the notes were right in saying that the pref didn't work 16:52 owen hdl_laptop? 16:52 wizzyrea I know slef usually has an opinion on these things, that's why I asked :/ 16:52 hdl_laptop yes 16:52 owen hdl_laptop: could you look at Bug 4036? 16:52 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING 16:53 owen I'm trying to understand what conditions cause USERBLOCKEDREMAINING and USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE 16:53 hdl_laptop AH..... 16:53 gmcharlt nengard: you're right, mark that as a blocker for 3.2 - getting WebBasedSelfCheck to actually work is easy 16:53 nengard wil do 16:53 hdl_laptop there is work on that part at the moment. 16:54 hdl_laptop But it is a rewrite and changes the debarred behaviour to be a date 16:54 joetho Bug 4036 16:55 hdl_laptop IsMemberBlocked is simply trying to see if the user is debarred or not 16:56 Ropuch Ugh! I've just finished reading an article about new OPACs, and although Koha is mentioned, it is said that "Koha is developed by librarians rallied round LIbLime" 16:56 wizzyrea omg 16:56 wizzyrea link 16:56 Ropuch The text is full of error 16:56 Ropuch wizzyrea: I can scan it 16:56 wizzyrea ohh a print article 16:57 gmcharlt what journal? 16:57 Ropuch On monday 16:57 wizzyrea yes, what journal? 16:57 wizzyrea rallied around liblime... <grumble> 16:57 Ropuch Yep 16:57 Ropuch the article is shitty anyway 16:58 Ropuch and i was pretty sure it's just a copy of another one 16:58 wizzyrea where rallied = planning our escape (or rather, hoping that PTFS will save us... we're optimistic) 16:58 Ropuch Our library science is on its way down 16:59 Ropuch The author refers to WordPress as "blogging management system" 16:59 kf g 17:00 kf :) 17:00 kf have a nice weekend all! 17:00 Ropuch You too 17:00 Ropuch ;> 17:00 wizzyrea well, it does that too lol 17:00 wizzyrea and that *was* it's original purpose 17:01 nengard what's the citation? I can find a copy of it if I have a citation 17:02 hdl_laptop nengard: could be in polish ;) 17:02 nengard ah 17:02 Ropuch nengard: it is in polish :) 17:02 nengard i could still find it - just not read it :) 17:02 hdl_laptop maybe translated into polish FROM english 17:02 wizzyrea google translate? 17:03 hdl_laptop and maybe ggltranslate 17:03 nengard k - if someone gives me the citation i'll see what i can do 17:03 Ropuch It's from 'Uniwersum pi�miennictwa wobec komunikacji elektronicznej' 17:03 Ropuch [; 17:03 Ropuch http://merlin.pl/Uniwersum-pismiennictwa-wobec-komunikacji-elektronicznej_Wydawnictwo-Uniwersytetu/browse/product/1,733568.html 17:03 Ropuch Here 17:03 Ropuch But the article is nothing special, really 17:05 Ropuch Tha main problem is that there's a hole between librarians and 'library scientists' teaching at the University 17:05 nengard it's worth contacting the author and telling them that they're idiots 17:05 Ropuch "scientits' know noyhing about real work 17:06 Ropuch nengard: I intend to 17:06 nengard :) 17:06 nengard cool 17:06 Ropuch They don't like me anyway 17:07 Ropuch I talked too much inconvenient things bacj then when I was workinh in the institute 17:08 Ropuch But someone had to say that emperor is naked 17:19 wizzyrea So, licensing. Guess I should just send that to the list then? 17:19 wizzyrea or would that ignite a firestorm? 17:20 owen Better to find out now. 17:20 brendan @wunder 93117 17:20 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.1�C (9:17 AM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... 17:21 brendan @wunder forecast 93117 17:21 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.1�C (9:17 AM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... 17:23 * jdavidb hands wizzyrea an nomex bodysuit, just in cae. 17:23 Ropuch geez, they even claims that freeware and open source is the same thing 17:23 wizzyrea thanks, I may need it. 17:27 wizzyrea here goes nothin... 17:27 * wizzyrea ducks 17:27 chris_n gmcharlt: email sent 17:27 chris_n and this update would fail if there exist duplicate ids 17:29 * chris_n thinks we need to settle on a licensing scheme to cover all things Koha once and for all 17:29 wizzyrea i agree with you on that, then we'd never have to have this argument again 17:29 wizzyrea >.< 17:30 wizzyrea I am loathe to have any drama surrounding koha-community.org 17:31 wizzyrea it is our shining beacon of kumbaya singing community happiness, and I want to keep it that way 17:31 owen wizzyrea: The difficulty about licensing with the Wiki was based on the long history of different contributors. At least we won't have that with the new site 17:32 wizzyrea not if we get the license statement put on while we still only have 3 proper contributors :) 17:32 wizzyrea easy for gmcharlt, nengard, and me to agree :) 17:33 wizzyrea and chris 17:33 nengard i agree :0 17:33 owen And don't forget someone sent you an image :P 17:33 nengard whatever we decide i agree - i know it will be open :) 17:33 wizzyrea and owen 17:33 wizzyrea ;) 17:33 * owen demands royalties for each pageview 17:33 * wizzyrea glares at owen 17:34 * wizzyrea gets out the MOM glare 17:34 wizzyrea you know the one 17:34 nengard k - lunch time - did patching did documenting - probably have more of both after lunch 17:34 wizzyrea don't make me use it, owen ;) 17:34 owen I know the one, and I know the appropriate response. 17:34 * owen runs away laughing 17:36 jdavidb owen, it's been a pleasure working with you. You realize you're doomed, right? 17:43 wizzyrea owen you crack me up 17:44 * owen just wishes his DAD glare worked better 17:46 wizzyrea if you're going to kohacon maybe Mr. Wizzyrea can show you his, it's frightful 17:47 * jdavidb never needed a DAD glare with his kids. Just lucky, I guess. 17:47 wizzyrea this radar is awesome http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=TWX&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes 17:47 wizzyrea yay for backwards moving storms! 17:49 * chris_n glowers at the rain, wishing it were snow :-( 17:51 * jwagner_lunch wonders if it's safe to come back in, with all the glaring and glowering going on.... 17:51 wizzyrea lol 17:53 jwagner Personally, I find that just looking over the tops of my glasses usually works.... 17:53 wizzyrea http://yfrog.com/4efi8pj 17:53 wizzyrea outside my house earlier 17:53 wizzyrea fluffiest snow ever 17:57 * jdavidb suggests that jwagner look over the tops of her glasses at the snowstorm brewing outside. 17:58 jdavidb We get that fluffy stuff here, too, wizzyrea. Lindsey had never seen that before the December storm; it does *not* do that in West TX, ever. 17:58 wizzyrea and it's not too cold, which is the part I like 17:58 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 17:58 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 1.4�C (11:56 AM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until noon CST today... 17:59 wizzyrea above freezing, even 17:59 wizzyrea which means you can go out and PLAY!!! 17:59 jdavidb @wunder 20852 17:59 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 2.9�C (12:53 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 PM EST Saturday... 17:59 jdavidb :D 18:00 * jwagner sneers at the storm. I've seen worse! 18:15 chris morning 18:15 owen Hi chris, I hope you're on the mend? 18:15 chris as long as i keep taking the drugs and getting rest should be all good 18:16 jwagner chris, a tip from one who's been there -- don't try coding on drugs :-) 18:16 jwagner (And all sympathies for the pain!) 18:19 chris its actually eating is the hard part, but i have to take the drugs with food 18:20 jwagner I can imagine. Does ice cream count as food? 18:20 chris owen: http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/registration/ 18:20 chris jwagner: yeah its actually good, dairy is good for lining your stomach 18:21 owen Are you able to change the markup of the last <li> ? 18:21 owen <li class="radio"> 18:21 chris its the not being able to open your mouth wide enough to get the spoon in that is annoying 18:21 chris can do 18:21 owen I would also remove the "border: 1px solid #EEE" from the fieldset CSS 18:22 chris fixed the li, editing the css now 18:22 chris border: 1px solid #EEE; 18:22 chris that line? 18:23 owen yeah, I don't think you need that border 18:23 chris delete it totally? 18:23 chris okie dokie 18:25 chris hmm took that out, but there must be another fieldset one 18:25 chris cos now the border is bigger :) 18:25 owen Oh sorry, didn't anticipate the default. 18:26 owen border : 0; 18:26 chris wil do 18:27 pianohacker nengard++ 18:28 nengard no prob - you just have to tackle a few things i didn't know how to do :) 18:28 chris got it 18:29 nengard pianohacker you should also probably report bugs for all of the items you decided to not include in the sys prefs because they didn't work or whatever 18:29 chris ok, i think that is good to go now 18:30 chris if someone who is planning to come wants to test the form out, that would be sweet :) 18:30 schuster wizzyrea is probably on it! 18:32 chris heh 18:34 Ropuch Hi chris 18:35 chris hi Ropuch 18:49 * chris_n greets chris 18:49 chris_n good to see you getting back well 18:58 chris http://www.elementsfestival.org.nz/programme.html 18:59 jwagner chris, you aren't leaving your sickbed to go frolic, are you??? 19:00 chris hehe i shouldnt, but the kids would love that 19:00 chris and sickbed is crowded with them all in it too hehe 19:00 jwagner Let Laurel take them while you get some peace and quiet :-) 19:10 wizzyrea seems to work!! 19:10 chris cool 19:11 chris yep, and you are stored in the db 19:11 chris officially registered now 19:11 wizzyrea yessss 19:12 Ropuch Lucky ;> 19:14 jwagner I wanna go :-( 19:15 * jwagner pouts 19:15 Ropuch I;m just writing a reply to some poor written article - scriblio works regardles of ILS? 19:15 chris in theory yes Ropuch 19:15 Ropuch I know that one can import marc records into it 19:16 pianohacker brb work 19:17 Ropuch I've made my point alredy - the author said that Scriblio works only with particular ILS, which is not true (with marc importing) 19:17 chris yeah the point was that it should work with any, might be some mucking around, but it should be possible 19:18 Ropuch Although there's not much sense in integrating it with Koha, I'll give it a try 19:18 Ropuch I'm curious 19:18 Ropuch And want some facts in my reply :) 19:20 chris you might want to talk to the biblibre guys 19:20 chris they did sopac (The drupal one) integration with koha 19:29 wizzyrea nengard: http://el-tramo.be/blog/integrating-docbook-with-wordpress 19:29 nengard WOO HOO 19:29 nengard clicking now 19:29 wizzyrea dk if it will help us, but we'll see 19:30 Ropuch chris: I know, but in the article only Scriblio, Encore and Aqua browser are mentioned 19:32 chris aqua browser is horrible, fwiw 19:32 chris :) 19:32 chris that article is too hard for my brain to comprehend nengard will read again when im not on drugs 19:32 nengard no prob at all - that's why i put it in email so it was saved :) 19:33 wizzyrea yea, I'm not quite comprehending it either lol 19:33 nengard chris i agree - aqua browser is horrible!! 19:33 * wizzyrea was hoping for a plugin :P 19:39 Ropuch chris: I just want to inform the author that Encore isn't the only one opac-addon that can work with different ILS ;> 19:41 chris yeah, vufind, blacklight, sopac, scriblio etc 19:42 Ropuch I know, but our library scientist don't - yet they are publishing articles without conducting proper searchs first 19:42 Ropuch Which pisses me off 19:43 Ropuch And freeware and open source is equal for them 19:43 nengard wizzyrea i had already looked for a plugin - no luck 19:44 wizzyrea humbug 19:44 Ropuch Ask someone to write one for you ;-) 19:44 nengard Ropuch wanna write one for me :) 19:45 Ropuch last time i was using wp... ;> 19:46 wizzyrea actually that would be a super awesome wordpress plugin 19:46 wizzyrea very useful 19:47 chris http://github.com/remko/docbook-kit/blob/master/README 19:53 * chris tries something out 19:54 * owen braces himself 19:58 Ropuch nengard, wizzyrea: what such a plugin is supposed to do? Step-by-step: nengard writes documentation and exports it in this wp-friendly output and then what? 19:59 nengard it needs to translate docbook XML into HTML for dispaly 19:59 nengard display 19:59 wizzyrea what she said 19:59 wizzyrea and then the ability to easily embed that in a WP page 19:59 wizzyrea like 19:59 wizzyrea hmm 19:59 wizzyrea maybe, point the plugin at a git repo that holds the docs 20:00 wizzyrea cache the conversion on a schedule 20:00 Ropuch Ok, I get it 20:00 wizzyrea then a tag to output it in a page 20:00 nengard chris has a script he uses to generate the HTML now 20:00 Ropuch Yes, I saw the docs :) 20:02 Ropuch I was sure docBook can export documents to html 20:02 Ropuch But maybe I was thinking about asciidoc 20:03 wizzyrea What I really want, if we're talking pie in the sky... 20:04 wizzyrea is something that git pulls the XML/HTML, converts it, then outputs it on a schedule without anybody having to touch it. 20:04 wizzyrea which might mean that nicole has a special branch for writing, and one for display 20:04 chris ok 20:05 wizzyrea (she probably always does) 20:05 chris so if i have a koha3-2manual.wp.php 20:05 chris how do i upload that to the site? 20:05 Ropuch wizzyrea: wish i was more proficient with php/wordpress 20:05 wizzyrea Ropuch: it's ok 20:06 chris cos i do have the file now, i just dunno how to put it up on the site 20:06 Ropuch Nah, such a plugin is nice challenge 20:06 joetho I have a pretty big php mess on my own server that I don't have time to troubleshoot 20:07 wizzyrea this is just a php script? or a plugin? 20:07 chris who knows 20:07 wizzyrea lol 20:07 wizzyrea send it to me plox :) 20:07 chris its what that docbook-kit generated for me 20:07 wizzyrea AH 20:07 chris to your nekls address? 20:07 wizzyrea ya 20:07 * owen suspects CanBookBeRenewed is messing up somewhere but can't figure out where 20:08 joetho chris- the cowboy way would be to put your html directory into a zip file and send it to liz to post as a directory 20:08 * owen sees an empty "renew" column on circulation.pl for a patron with checkouts from today 20:09 chris on its way 20:09 wizzyrea ty ty 20:09 wizzyrea totally new territory for me, sorry 20:09 joetho I think that the 3.2 activity of the last few days is going to make the 3.2 dox pretty popular 20:09 chris probably missing all the images 20:09 wizzyrea possibly 20:09 chris but that shouldnt be hard to fix 20:10 chris just wanna see how horrible it looks :) 20:10 owen Can anyone confirm? Renew column empty on checkout page for patrons with checkouts from today? 20:10 joetho so put a disclaimer that the dox project is being moved so may look a little rough 20:11 chris did you know liz@ doesnt work, you should fix that :-) 20:11 wizzyrea haha. oh sigh. 20:11 wizzyrea lrea does though ;) 20:11 chris yep, on its way to the right address now 20:11 wizzyrea woot! 20:12 wizzyrea hey look at that 20:12 nengard i wanna see!! :) 20:12 nengard where do i go to see? 20:14 joetho http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:14 nengard LOL - not that silly :) that's empty 20:14 joetho well NOW it is 20:14 wizzyrea no, I mean, email at the speed of light >.> 20:14 wizzyrea nm 20:14 wizzyrea just a min lol keep your panties on 20:15 nengard that saying is so silly :) hehe 20:15 nengard i love the manual and all -- but not that much 20:15 joetho but I bet that's where it will be soon, and my panties are not moving, regardless 20:15 nengard LOL 20:15 * jdavidb did *not* need to know about joetho's panties. 20:17 joetho can't you use an html directory in wp? 20:17 Ropuch Warning: require(../../../wp-blog-header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/koha-community/public_html/wp-content/themes/cordobo-green-park-2/docs.php on line 8 20:18 joetho although I am one to talk, my php project on my server at joetho.com has been dead in the water for months 20:18 wizzyrea hmm 20:18 wizzyrea yes yes 20:18 wizzyrea sheesh 20:18 wizzyrea lol 20:18 wizzyrea try it now 20:18 wizzyrea it seems to have put some junk in 20:18 wizzyrea but it is there 20:18 nengard ick - and the bullets aren't there 20:19 wizzyrea yes, that is probably a function of the kit we used 20:19 joetho well it IS friday afternoon 20:19 nengard also it's all on one page - and that's a BUTTLOAD of content for one page ... the old script Chris used at least spit it into pages 20:19 wizzyrea yea, relax chum, we'll get there ;) 20:20 wizzyrea i know it's exciting :) 20:20 joetho I wonder if it would be better to make it a freestanding directory, completely out of the wp thing. 20:20 nengard not -unrelaxed 20:20 wizzyrea mmm probably not 20:20 nengard just pointing things out :) 20:20 Ropuch Maybe I'll set up a wordpress and read some xslt docs 20:20 wizzyrea not if you want it to match the rest of the site 20:20 wizzyrea which I think we do 20:21 nengard wizzrea i can apply the same CSS to the manual as the one we use on WP 20:21 nengard and then it will look seamless 20:21 joetho those big bars on the side? 20:21 nengard the reason the manual looked the way it did on Chris' server was cause of the CSS I wrote up/edited 20:21 wizzyrea Ah 20:21 wizzyrea doesn't matter to me, the link to the theme is at the bottom of every page 20:22 chris lemme try something gimme 5 mins 20:22 nengard brb 20:27 chris yeah with some work you could marry manual.css and style.css into something useful 20:29 nengard that's what i figured 20:29 nengard also we would want to remove the right column from the manual for space sake 20:29 nengard and just have the header and footer from the wp theme 20:29 chris not me tho :) but when someone does, and updates the css in git, my script will start using it 20:30 chris then i could just scp the dir somewhere 20:30 chris but now im off to rinse my mouth with saltwater 20:30 joetho We should all rinse our mouths with saltwater 20:30 brendan yummy saltwater 20:30 brendan @wunder 93117 20:30 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (12:22 PM PST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 PM PST this afternoon... 20:30 joetho make mine a double 20:31 brendan should be flooding munin -> not high winds 20:31 chris_n @wunder 28334 20:31 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 5.9�C (3:25 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Falling). Flood Watch in effect through late tonight... 20:31 brendan chris_n munin got that one right for you 20:31 nengard i'll look into it and see if I can get the stylesheet working on the copy on your site chris 20:31 nengard when does it update? I'll need to see it in action to see if I did it right :) 20:31 joetho @wunder lawrence, ks 20:31 munin joetho: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 0.6�C (2:29 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). 20:32 nengard @wunder 19030 20:32 munin nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 2.7�C (3:15 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday... 20:32 jdavidb @wunder 20852 20:32 joetho @wunder mission, ks 20:32 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 1.1�C (3:23 PM EST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 PM EST Saturday... 20:32 munin joetho: The current temperature in Overland Park, Overland Park, Kansas is 0.4�C (2:15 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST this evening... 20:32 nengard joetho -when your advisory ends mine starts 20:32 jdavidb "overcast", my missing foot! It is that, but how come it doesn't say "Snow"? 20:32 brendan nengard you getting any snow yet? 20:33 nengard not yet, looks like it will start after dark 20:33 joetho my girlfriend is driving to Lawrence this afternoon, I *think* to see Liz 20:33 joetho either that, or the dance troupe downtown 20:34 wizzyrea ooh la la 20:35 wizzyrea nengard: no actual content, but this is what it could look like 20:35 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:36 nengard yup yup 20:36 nengard that's what i was thinking 20:36 nengard guess we just ignore 'sidebar.php' and ta da it's done 20:37 joetho I kind of like it in Latin. 20:37 wizzyrea that and the content divs 20:40 moodaepo @wunder 56001 20:40 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.6�C (2:35 PM CST on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Falling). 20:41 brendan hi moodaepo 20:45 chris @wunder wellington nz 20:45 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 20:45 jwagner It's been snowing for over 4 hours, but it's finally starting to stick rather than just turning wet. Now, about that two feet of snow forecast.... 20:45 chris_n wow.. documentation in latin... very good nengard ;-) 20:45 nengard i know - i'm good :) 20:46 chris_n heatwave moodaepo? 20:46 nengard chris wizzyrea i just realized - we're not taking about editing the css - we're talking about putting an include at the top and bottom of the manual - to include the head and the footer -- is that possible? 20:47 nengard some of it is CSS ... 20:47 wizzyrea dk why it wouldn't be 20:47 nengard but those are the big parts 20:47 moodaepo brendan allo 20:47 nengard wizzyrea - okay it's friday my brain is fried - it's been a crazy week for me - lots of work - so maybe i think about this tomorrow or next week 20:48 wizzyrea nengard: i'm pretty sure it can be done 20:48 wizzyrea :) 20:48 nengard for now - if we can get the manual up in any searchable format that would make me happy - we can make it pretty later - as long as it's searchable and readable i'm a-ok 20:48 wizzyrea just stay safe in the nasty weather 20:48 nengard i'm home under a blanket already :) 20:48 moodaepo chris_n: You betcha it's usually the other end of brendan's temp gauge up here 20:48 nengard and there is no snow here yet - it will come tonight 20:48 brendan but during the summer - you will most likely beat me on a daily basis 20:49 brendan my temp doesn't change much all year 20:49 moodaepo Yea damn swamp country er I mean land of lakes. 20:50 wizzyrea mmmm butter 20:50 jdavidb butter, wizzyrea? 20:50 wizzyrea yea, land o lakes butter? 20:50 wizzyrea you may not have this where you are 20:50 jdavidb ah... 20:51 jdavidb Yeah, we have that brand here; just not what I buy. 20:52 pianohackr|work homemade butter is also good 20:52 wizzyrea yes, indeed 20:52 wizzyrea but you have to have VERY fresh cream to make it 20:52 wizzyrea like, from the cow, practically 20:52 wizzyrea and un-homogenized 20:53 Ropuch docbook2html produces quite nice output with images 20:53 wizzyrea I mean you can do it with heavy whipping, but it takes a while 20:53 wizzyrea Ropuch: link? 20:53 jwagner I grew up on a farm. Cream fresh from the morning milking on the breakfast cereal. Yum. 20:53 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: Hmm. In a churn, or an electric mixer? 20:53 Ropuch wizzyrea: gimme sec, i have it locally 20:53 wizzyrea electric mixer 20:53 jdavidb I've been trying to "slow-food" more. Found some lovely local providers at the Dupont Circle farmer's market. yummmmy butter n cheese... 20:53 wizzyrea o cool 20:53 chris Ropuch: like this http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/ch01s04.html 20:54 wizzyrea oh that is pretty 20:54 chris thats what my script does 20:54 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/ 20:54 chris and i have a search 20:54 wizzyrea you don't want that to stay on your server, right chris? 20:54 chris nope 20:54 Ropuch chris: yes 20:54 chris i only have 40 gig a month on my home machine 20:54 Ropuch Kinda 20:55 wizzyrea yea, we don't want that 20:55 wizzyrea bandwidth for KLOW is very cheap 20:55 wizzyrea pennies/mo 20:56 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/omega/omega 20:56 chris try it out, its pretty fast 20:58 chris (uses xapian) 20:58 Ropuch I must talk to my boss and our IT guy 20:58 Ropuch Maybe we can spare some bandwitch 20:59 Ropuch s/bandwitch/bandwith 20:59 chris time omindex --db default/ --url / /var/www/stats/manual_en 20:59 chris real 0m0.564s 20:59 chris super fast indexer 21:00 Ropuch Simply running docbook2html koha3-2manual.xml produces http://bagno.be/doc/ 21:01 Ropuch 4.01 Transitional 21:01 Ropuch Source is really ugly ;> 21:05 owen Wow ugly is right 21:05 Ropuch I was trying to be nice when I said 'ugly' ;> 21:06 Ropuch But let's what tidy can do about it 21:11 chris_n enough fun for one day.... bbl 21:13 jwagner Enjoy the snow, everyone who lives in the target region. The rest of you, enjoy whatever the weather gods send you :-) 21:14 * owen leaves to brave the terrifying, er, rain. 21:30 Ropuch Ok, much better after tidy 21:52 wizzyrea ok, giving up 21:52 wizzyrea going home, this snow is just silly 21:52 wizzyrea have a good weekend, stay safe east-coasters :) 22:04 ricardo Hi everyone! 22:06 ricardo Does anyone have the same problem that I do: in 3.0.X, a bulkmarcimport seems to get slower as it progresses loading an ISO file with some tens of thousands of records. That is, the first 1000 records are quickly imported, but the next 1000 records take a bit longer than that... and when it has loaded 10000 records or so, it seems to be "crawling"... 22:08 ricardo (this is a Virtual Machine with 512 Megs RAM allocated, running SUSE, if that's relevant) 22:09 schuster ZEBRA has probably kicked in causing things to slowwwww downnnn... 22:10 schuster with that tip I'm gone for the weekend! 22:12 ricardo Rats... Schuster has given a friendly tip and then run off. I would reply that I'm NOT using Zebra. 22:13 joetho ricardo - does your system seem normal otherwise? 22:14 joetho the slowdown seems to be triggered by the import? 22:14 ricardo joetho: Yep 22:15 ricardo Cpu(s): 9.4%us, 13.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.3%id, 74.9%wa, 0.0%hi, 2.0%si, 0.0%st 22:15 ricardo Mem: 505820k total, 498460k used, 7360k free, 134544k buffers 22:15 joetho hmmm 22:15 ricardo Swap: 771080k total, 88k used, 770992k free, 224892k cached 22:15 joetho what kind of shape are the records in? 22:16 ricardo joetho: I think they are a bit rectangular... ;-) 22:16 joetho I wonder if some records have huge fields 22:16 joetho not long and pointy? 22:16 joetho isosceles trapezoidal? 22:17 ricardo LOL! 22:17 ricardo Eheh... OK, seriously: some of them have relatively large abstracts, but not many of them, I think 22:17 ricardo @add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? 22:17 munin ricardo: Error: The command "add" is available in the Alias, Bugzilla, Herald, Lart, News, Quote, and Todo plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add". 22:18 joetho I have experienced slowdowns with other processes involving large numbers of giant records, but I haven't imported tens of thousands of records at once 22:18 joetho and anyway I don't think this causing your slowdown 22:18 joetho is this a production server? 22:18 ricardo joetho: Right... I wonder if I broke down the ISO file in several ones, would that accelerate the process? Not sure 22:18 ricardo @quote add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? 22:18 munin ricardo: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 22:19 joetho HA 22:19 joetho I guess I get to say anything I want. 22:19 ricardo LOL! 22:20 gmcharlt joetho: no you don't :) 22:20 gmcharlt @quote add joetho: what kind of shape are the records in? 22:20 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #53 added. 22:20 ricardo gmcharlt: LOL! 22:20 ricardo gmcharlt++ 22:20 ricardo ;-) 22:20 joetho well I do on that OTHER channel 22:21 ricardo gmcharlt: Any tips / info /suspicions regarding my issue? 22:21 joetho anyway, I was going to suggest smaller imports if possible, 22:21 ricardo joetho: *nod* 22:21 Ropuch Anyone proficient with regexp/php? 22:21 joetho then if one batch hung up, why, blame the records 22:21 Ropuch joetho: you look like one! ;> 22:21 joetho I look like a small import? 22:22 joetho I suppose. 22:22 gmcharlt ricardo: bulkmarcimport? try adding a --commit 200 to the command line 22:22 ricardo joetho: So, the general conclusion is: "Size matters"? ;-) 22:22 Ropuch joetho: you look like someone who nows php/regexps ;> 22:22 joetho wow, it must be Friday afternoon where you are 22:22 Ropuch s/nows/knows 22:22 joetho nope, not really 22:23 ricardo gmcharlt: I'll have to wait a bit before doing that (it's importing now), but yes, I'll try that in a while 22:23 ricardo joetho: Friday, 22H21 here 22:23 ricardo (yep, still at work...) 22:23 gmcharlt another thing to check - look at the process in top, see how much memory it's consuming 22:23 joetho west coast US? 22:23 ricardo joetho: West Coast, Portugal ;-) 22:24 gmcharlt if it's bunches, there may be a memory leak involved, in which case it's slowing down because its abusing swap 22:24 ricardo ricardo: "27097 root 20 0 98.7m 87m 5088 S 1.3 17.7 23:27.18 bulkmarcimport." 22:24 ricardo gmcharlt: "27097 root 20 0 98.7m 87m 5088 S 1.3 17.7 23:27.18 bulkmarcimport." 22:24 gmcharlt was wondering why you were talking to yourself 22:24 gmcharlt but no, memory consumption looks OK 22:24 ricardo gmcharlt: Oh... I was just talking to my imaginary friend ;-) 22:25 ricardo It's around 18% 22:26 ricardo Ropuch: I haven't touched PHP in several years... But, if you wish, you may ask the question regarding "Regexps" 22:26 Ropuch I'm trying some really simple thing 22:27 Ropuch I have html file and want to extract everything between <body class="foo"></body> 22:28 ricardo gmcharlt: "commit the number of records to wait before performing a 'commit' operation" ... I'm NOT using "commit" and that might explain why this is taking this long (probably it's creating a very large "commit stack" now - my term... I don't know what is the "official" expression) 22:29 ricardo Ropuch: Hmmm.... I guess you can do that with RegExp, but I'm not sure if that will be the most efficient way of solving that problem. Let me try it something with some RegExp online tester 22:32 Ropuch ricardo don't bother, I'll try to figure/google it put myself :) 22:33 ricardo Ropuch: OK :) If you can do that in Perl instead, I'm betting that there's some module in CPAN to help you. PHP also has some Regexp functions (and there's also PEAR that is a *lot* smaller than CPAN, but may also have some good module) 22:43 ricardo gmcharlt: I got fed up and aborted the process... Here's the times for the aborted process: 22:43 ricardo 21400 records 22:44 ricardo 578m32.482s 22:44 ricardo (that's almost 10 Hours for 21400 records) 22:45 ricardo I'm now using "--commit". Let's see if that's faster. If it's not, I'll run this again, redirect output to a file and head home 22:47 pianohackr|work ricardo: Do you have screen installed? 22:47 pianohackr|work You could run it inside a screen session, detach, then reattach later and see how it was doing 22:48 ricardo pianohackr|work: That's a very nice tip. I almost never used "screen", but this seems a terrific "use case" to use it 22:49 ricardo (I believe that, if there's a memory leak, it's persistent. Let me reboot this baby) 22:50 ricardo I know, I know: "Linux machines don't need reboots". But, when it's almost 23H and I'm still at work, I'll try anything 22:58 chris another thing to try ricardo 22:59 chris turn nozebra off (dont install zebra, just turn it off) 22:59 chris try the import 22:59 ricardo I think I'll try that *right now*. Thanks for the tip 22:59 chris it might be the building the nozebra index gets slower the more records are inserted 23:00 chris if so then you can do the imprt, then turn nozebra back on and do the rebuild_nozebra.pl 23:00 pianohackr|work chris: if index rebuilding is the problem, wouldn't just disable the cronjob fix it? I admit I understand nozebra as little as possible 23:00 ricardo chris: Sounds like a plan to me :) 23:00 pianohackr|work s/disable/disabling/ 23:01 chris pianohackr|work: nozebra doesnt use a cron job 23:01 ricardo chris: Holy Smokes! You just switched ON the "Turbo Mode"! :D 23:01 chris it indexes continuously 23:01 chris so evertime you change something it indexes that change 23:02 chris hence nozebra is only for small record sets 23:02 chris ricardo: that means it will load fast, but the rebuild_nozebra will probably take a whi;e 23:02 brendan heya pianohackr|work 23:02 ricardo chris: *nod* 23:03 ricardo But this is A LOT faster. It's loading about 100 records every 3 seconds 23:03 chris that sounds about right 23:04 ricardo chris: Right... In the original one, it was taking about 5 minutes or so (per 100 records) in the later "batches" :S 23:04 chris yeah the way the indexes work, it has to scan them ... so as they grow it just gets slower and slower 23:05 Nate Happy Weekend everyone! 23:05 chris heya Nate 23:05 ricardo chris: Is it safe to abort "rebuild_nozebra.pl" if I see that it's very slow? (And run it again, later, "sending" it to the background) 23:05 Nate hiya chris 23:05 Nate heard you were under the weather 23:05 chris ricardo: yep, the search wont work so well until its done tho 23:06 ricardo chris: Nod 23:06 chris Nate: getting better 23:06 pianohackr|work hi brendan 23:06 Nate Thats great to hear chris 23:06 ricardo chris: BEFORE running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" I should turn "NoZebra" back on, right? Or is it OK to only enable it after running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" (I guess not) 23:07 chris yeah before, to be safe 23:07 ricardo chris: right 23:09 ricardo Finished running bulkmarcimport.pl 23:09 ricardo 22708 MARC records done in 478.975821018219 seconds 23:09 chris thats more like it 23:09 ricardo So, that's about 8 Minutes "against" more than 10 HOURS (!) 23:10 ricardo I call that a "slight" performance improvement! ;-) 23:10 ricardo THANKS A LOT CHRIS! :D (CAPS fully intended, eheh) 23:11 ricardo Turning NoZebra back on 23:12 ricardo Doing Backup of Koha's MySQL database ... 23:14 ricardo Running "rebuild_nozebra.pl" 23:15 ricardo "Building BIBLIO indexes".... seems to be running quickly. Good. BRB 23:26 ricardo chris: Done :) 23:27 ricardo (it took 13 minutes to run "rebuild_nozebra.pl") 23:27 chris cool 23:27 ricardo chris: Way! :) 23:28 ricardo chris: Again, many thanks. I wonder if this would warrant a patch to "bulkmarcimport.pl" to disable NoZebra during its execution 23:30 pianohackr|work ricardo: A patch would at least be accepted. Others might notice issues we don't, but saving the current value of a syspref, setting to some value, doing stuff, then resetting has been done in a few batch jobs, I believe 23:32 ricardo pianohackr|work: *nod*... I could try to do that, but I won't probably be able to even *start* working on it before next Wednesday 23:32 pianohackr|work Never any hurry :) 23:32 ricardo :) 23:33 ricardo OK. I think that's the time for me to go home (23H30... gee). 23:33 chris have a good weekend 23:33 ricardo gmcharlt: Thanks for trying to help 23:34 ricardo chris: Many thanks... And if you'd like me to buy you a Book or something, just name it! :) 23:34 chris no worries,just help someone else sometime :) 23:35 ricardo chris: Sure! :) 23:39 ricardo I'll now follow joetho example. Have a great weekend everyone! :) 23:41 gmcharlt hmm ... bulkmarcimport.pl + rebuild_nozebra.pl shouldn't be behaving like that. 23:43 chris with nozebra on the indexes are being built/updated after every record is added 23:43 gmcharlt the entirety of nozebra index? 23:44 chris nope, but the bigger it is, the slower it takes to update 23:44 * gmcharlt looks at rebuild_nozebra.pl, light dawns 23:45 gmcharlt grr 23:46 gmcharlt there's a reason why I try to pretend nozebra doesn't exist most of the time - and I keep rediscovering it 23:46 chris it doesnt actually use that 23:46 chris its the modzebra in Biblio 23:46 chris but yeah it locks tables and does all sorts of madness 23:46 gmcharlt exactly, that's what the light dawning was about 23:47 chris so its much faster to just build that indexes after 23:50 gmcharlt any, thanks for helping ricardo 23:50 chris np 23:56 brendan great to have chris back