Time  Nick         Message
23:52 gmcharlt     chris: is the translations branch in a pullable state for 3.2 at the moment?
23:46 chris        gmcharlt++
23:46 chris        i see more commits going in
23:45 joetho       man oh man. goddady gets to make their own rules.
23:45 rhcl         yea, that's who I usually use, and agree with you 100%
23:44 chris        i use them for my workbuffer.org domain
23:44 chris        godaddy is annoying, but cheap
23:44 rhcl         can anybody recommend a domain registrar?
23:44 joetho       I will fix it now
23:44 joetho       whoa
23:44 chris        before i have to pay extra
23:43 chris        i only have 40gig a month bandwidth
23:43 joetho       or wherever.
23:43 joetho       I will fix it tomorrow. I am quite sure NEKLS will host that
23:43 chris        the will end up probably at docs.koha-community or something
23:43 chris        yeah dont be doing that please :-)
23:43 joetho       whoa chris I'm glad I checked here, I just changed my dox link to the link you gave me
23:42 gmcharlt     we know not the the meaning of "short meeting" :)
23:42 chris        bout 1.5 hours ... tis pretty standard
23:42 rhcl         I was reading the log just now, looked like it continued for a couple of hours at least
23:41 chris        finished hours ago, irc is like this most days
23:41 chris        hehe no
23:41 rhcl_inclass gee, is the IRC meeting still going on?
23:35 Jo           yep - and it is beautiful
23:33 gmcharlt     brendan: thanks
23:33 chris        hey Jo, see the new site?
23:29 brendan      I like the picture you have for twitter
23:29 brendan      gmcharlt++
23:20 chris        no worries :-)
23:20 gmcharlt     chris: oops, sorry, I redid my retweet to not put words in your mouth
23:17 chris        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/web-2-0/news/article.cfm?c_id=363&objectid=10623790&ref=rss
23:12 gmcharlt     for those who missed the meeting - http://koha-community.org/ has been set up as a temporary home away from home - domain is held by HLT, hosting of the Wordpress site by wizzyrea
22:46 pmlozeau     chris: thanks!
22:44 chris        yeah, but thats my homeserver so id rather it doesnt get linked to, but that we put it somewhere else :)
22:44 gmcharlt     cool - does it get updated automatically / periodically?
22:43 chris        pmlozeau: updated the address
22:43 chris        http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/
22:43 chris        yeah i have a couple
22:43 brendan      I think chris has got it on his site
22:43 brendan      gmcharlt there is one
22:41 munin        gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
22:41 gmcharlt     @later tell nengard is there a rendered HTML view of the Koha 3.2 docbook anywhere?  might be something for you, BibLibre and/or brendan to set up quickly
22:30 chris        hehe
22:30 * brendan    goes back into hiding
22:30 brendan      I know bad joke
22:30 brendan      just missing the part where it says "bywater has programmed %XX of koha"
22:29 brendan      thanks chris
22:29 chris        hows that now brendan
22:25 brendan      yup I need to update my phone number too -- (888) 900-8944
22:24 pmlozeau     perfect
22:24 chris        sure can
22:24 pmlozeau     can I send it to you by email? I'll double check with Eric Begin
22:23 wizzyrea     you can see why we like it
22:23 chris        what would you like instead?
22:23 wizzyrea     fyi, this is very much like how KLOW works
22:23 chris        pmlozeau: you sure can
22:23 wizzyrea     gmcharlt++ for using the event calendar function j^.^
22:23 chris        thanks braedon
22:23 braedon      chris: i shall ask steven
22:23 pmlozeau     Could we update our entry on the list? (I work for inLibro)
22:23 chris        oh wait, we wanted to do it different
22:23 brendan      hmm... can't add a patron category on - categorie.pl?op=add_form   (for current 3.01.00.110)
22:23 chris        what you do joe is make them ask, then ignore them for months
22:22 joetho       ha ha ha ha
22:22 joetho       make vendors ASK to be listed
22:22 chilts       well done guys :)
22:22 chilts       wow, that site is going up pretty fast :)
22:22 chris        yup, no judgement implied at all :)
22:22 richard      oooh it's alphabetical ;)
22:21 richard      thanks chris
22:21 richard      cool
22:21 chris        richard: wanna drop me an email with what you want it to say, and ill make it so
22:21 chris        braedon: ditto you guys
22:21 richard      sure do
22:21 chris        katipo wanna be on here http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ ?
22:20 richard      hey chris
22:20 chris        richard: you about?
22:18 pmlozeau     hi chris
22:18 chris        hi pmlozeau
22:14 gmcharlt     wizzyrea++
22:05 braedon      yip :)
22:05 wizzyrea     better?
22:04 wizzyrea     ah ty, will look, tis just copy/paste
22:04 braedon      wizzyrea: missing a <p> block around the Library Standards Compliant paragraph of the about page
22:03 wizzyrea     we'll see, jo ;)
22:02 Jo           wizzyrea: you are soooo clever :)
22:00 chilts       message me your email and I'll add you, or chris can do it too
22:00 Jo           I have a google account
21:59 chilts       so either/or .... andychilton -at- gmail -dot- com
21:59 chilts       Jo: yep ... but I can always give you access to update it yourself (if you have a Google Account)?
21:59 chris        if you want
21:59 chris        you can edit that page yourself Jo
21:58 Jo           I have updates for the accommodation which I'd like to email you.
21:57 Jo           chilts: are you doing the kohacon 2010 website?
21:57 schuster     I'll stop mooing now.
21:57 schuster     wizzyrea is a wizz...  looking good...
21:46 * wizzyrea   is not a plone fan
21:46 chris        plone is a bit stink
21:46 chilts       the old site is better than the Plone one :)
21:45 wizzyrea     that is up to you
21:45 brendan      I could switch one of my demo's to 3.0.5 for you if you want it
21:45 chris        if there is anythign there you want
21:45 wizzyrea     ohhh good call
21:45 chris        http://old.koha.org/ is the old site, still up
21:44 chris        :)
21:44 wizzyrea     i r a thief
21:44 wizzyrea     http://koha-community.org/about/
21:44 chris        playing with translations
21:44 chris        i have one but i break it daily
21:44 brendan      I could get one up
21:44 brendan      no - just HEAD
21:43 chris        do you guys have a 3.0.5 demo running?
21:43 brendan      yes
21:43 chris        brendan: got a sec?
21:33 cait         time to sleep here :)
21:33 owen         quitting_time++ # for being now
21:33 wizzyrea     bah, no nengard
21:32 chris_n      bbl
21:32 cait         imp++ # for being a nice person ;)
21:27 magnus       good night, all - can't wait to see what the site will look like in the morning ;-)
21:27 owen         I wonder if we should not be allowing patrons to delete suggestions which have been accepted?
21:25 owen         chris, you can spread rumors about a violent outburst, many tears shed all around.
21:25 owen         Now everyone will wonder what the negative karma was for
21:25 magnus       hehe, someone had to do it... ;-)
21:25 chris        hehe
21:25 wizzyrea     there, just because
21:25 wizzyrea     chris--
21:25 wizzyrea     chris__
21:25 chilts       slapped down :)
21:24 chilts       yeah, saw that
21:24 chilts       lol
21:24 munin        chris: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:24 chris        chris--
21:24 chris        including me slandering an entire nation
21:24 chilts       just got excited there
21:24 chilts       sorry
21:24 chilts       righto ... :)
21:24 owen         chilts: Read the meeting log for all the gory details
21:24 chilts       ah, ok
21:24 chris        chilts: its more a replacement partial site for www.koha.org
21:24 chilts       wizzyrea++
21:24 imp          wizzyrea++
21:24 chilts       :)
21:24 wizzyrea     thks :)
21:24 * chilts     holds back
21:24 wizzyrea     :)
21:24 wizzyrea     still setting it up
21:24 wizzyrea     not quite yet
21:23 chilts       can we go and signup a new blog?
21:23 magnus       wizzyrea++
21:22 chris        wizzyrea++
21:22 * chilts     still needs to read the meeting logs this morning
21:22 chilts       sweet! :)
21:22 magnus_away  it works! http://koha-community.org/
21:09 braedon      i'l have a read through on my lunch break. (two hours or so:( )
21:08 Ropuch       Looking through translation atm ;>
21:08 braedon      Ropuch: ...oh. To google translate!
21:07 chris_n      ahh... cool
21:07 owen         chris_n: I just submitted a patch for it today
21:06 Ropuch       But it's in polish
21:06 Ropuch       braedon: http://bagno.be/koha/instalacja.html
21:06 chris_n      owen: is the left menu in csv-profiles.pl messed up in your development install?
21:05 braedon      link?
21:05 braedon      haha
21:03 Ropuch       I plan to do some tutorials with "My mom can do this" certificate
21:03 Ropuch       Now I;'m working on part 1 - "Installing Ubuntu on VirtualBox for my mom"
21:02 chris        :-)
21:01 * Ropuch     has just finished writing 'Installing Koha for my mom' ;>
21:00 imp          same here :D
20:59 Ropuch       hehe
20:59 cait         Ropuch: tell me if you find one :)
20:58 gmcharlt     heh
20:58 owen         Me too Ropuch
20:57 Ropuch       gmcharlt: I wish some airlines would beg me for allowe them to take me to NZ ;>
20:57 * owen       had a suggestions.managedon column instead of suggestions.manageddate too
20:54 schuster     Wow wonder how that happened!
20:54 gmcharlt     Jo: not surprising - for the upcoming Evergreen conference, the committee practically had hotels begging to host it
20:54 munin        schuster: Karma for "schuster" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12.
20:54 schuster     @karma schuster
20:54 cait         chris probably deserves more... I forget about the karma thing most of the times when he helps me with something
20:54 Jo           wow - playing hardball. with hotels is resulting iun some quite good accom discounts for KohaCon 2010
20:53 Vickiteal    I agree with my Karma at 2 and Chris at 103. I'm grateful for the 2.
20:53 Vickiteal    I stepped away from desk for a few minutes and there is all this stuff about mooing and karma. You guys are funny.
20:53 brendan      joetho++
20:50 cait         started koha in my free time mostly - so it was cait , kf is my work self
20:50 munin        wizzyrea: Karma for "joetho" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:50 wizzyrea     @karma joetho
20:50 wizzyrea     joetho++ for being awesome
20:50 munin        joetho: joetho has neutral karma.
20:50 wizzyrea     (and that sounds like a very existential statement)
20:50 joetho       @karma joetho
20:50 wizzyrea     I'm always getting confused
20:50 wizzyrea     def
20:50 cait         ok, I need to decide who I am
20:50 munin        wizzyrea: Karma for "cait" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
20:50 wizzyrea     @karma cait
20:50 munin        wizzyrea: Karma for "kf" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
20:50 wizzyrea     @karma kf
20:50 munin        cait: cait kf has neutral karma.
20:50 cait         @karma cait kf
20:50 chris        probably deserve a -- for my crack about the US today tho
20:50 wizzyrea     because you're awesome like that
20:49 munin        joetho: Karma for "vickiteal" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
20:49 joetho       @karma vickiteal
20:49 munin        jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16.
20:49 jwagner      @karma jwagner
20:49 brendan      nice nothing negative about chris
20:49 munin        brendan: Karma for "chris" has been increased 103 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 103.
20:49 brendan      @karma chris
20:49 wizzyrea     heh, we'll see soon enough >.>
20:49 cait         :)
20:49 chris        she deserves it
20:49 wizzyrea     now that is just scary
20:48 munin        joetho: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 47 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 47.
20:48 joetho       @karma wizzyrea
20:44 hdl_laptop   replace suggestioncreateddate by suggesteddate
20:44 hdl_laptop   owen: in opac/opac-suggestion.pl
20:44 hdl_laptop   owen: seen the bug
20:44 Ropuch       ;>
20:44 wizzyrea     pff, that is ;)
20:43 wizzyrea     could have been even faster but you wanted MU. PF.
20:43 chris_n      wizzyrea++ # nice :-)
20:43 wizzyrea     way early, but koha-community.mykansaslibrary.org (working on the DNS now)
20:41 hdl_laptop   hi indradg
20:40 * owen       still doesn't see data in suggesteddate after adding a new suggestion
20:39 owen         hdl_laptop: Database updates seem to be a weak point in the upgrade process. I must have skipped something by mistake.
20:38 hdl_laptop   owen: ancient code was with suggestedon and not suggesteddate, I thought I had fixed any occurence of suggestedon.
20:38 cait         why does schuster moo?
20:37 schuster     schuster still mooing...  people in the office looking at him funny...
20:36 * owen       wonders how he got into this predicament
20:36 owen         Well, I'm glad I asked :)
20:35 hdl_laptop   owen should be suggesteddate
20:35 collum       owen: suggestedon is not a column in my table.  I have a date which is defined by a timestamp.
20:32 owen         Can someone "select suggestedon from suggestions" and tell me if they're getting an dates? Looks to me like suggestion dates aren't stored
20:31 braedon      chris_n: now that the meeting is over, apologies for not getting back to you yesterday. I will give the patch a try today, and see what happens
20:31 Jo           sorry - was on phone
20:30 schuster     Now if I could only get that stuff to print...  Guess I'll have to give up until I can get to a higher release.
20:29 * owen       gives schuster a "Moo!" in the meantime
20:28 jwagner      I thought the meeting next week was on Wednesday.  It's Tuesday?
20:28 wizzyrea     they wanted MU, it takes a little longer ;)
20:28 schuster     wizzyrea - I'm waiting to be wowed... ;)
20:27 owen         Thanks chris_n
20:27 gmcharlt     chris_n: you're right, it's 11:00 UTC+0
20:26 tajoli       for wiki: Tuesday, 09 February 2010 at 11:00 UTC+0
20:25 chris_n      gmcharlt: ?
20:25 chris_n      1100 UTC according to wiki
20:25 wizzyrea     ty slef
20:25 slef         wizzyrea: I'll msg it you
20:25 chris_n      time is wrong maybe?
20:25 gmcharlt     owen: yes
20:25 owen         Is that correct?
20:25 brendan      awesomeness@hlt
20:25 wizzyrea     lol I can't find it >.<
20:24 wizzyrea     jo: what's your email
20:24 slef         damn, predictability
20:24 steven_tw    hi chris
20:24 chris_n      ;-)
20:24 * chris_n    knew that was coming as soon as he hit <enter>
20:24 * slef       runs
20:24 slef         chris_n: USERS AND DEVELOPERS... I keep telling everyone ;-)
20:24 chris_n      or maybe I should say development related
20:24 slef         davi: CH meetings are about gathering materials with HLT
20:24 davi         ok, thanks
20:23 chris_n      the general is a developer meeting in reality
20:23 slef         davi: that will be community handover.
20:23 chris_n      community
20:23 davi         What is the difference?
20:23 chris        hiya steven_tw :)
20:23 davi         Will be it a communitee meeting or and 'general' one?
20:23 slef         Thanks all for participating and all the ideas shared freely.
20:22 slef         Jo: yes. Do you need them before 25 Feb?
20:22 Jo           thanks everyone
20:21 slef         OK, meeting adjourned until 19:00 Tuesday 2 March 2010 and congratulations to collum sneaking on the attendee list!
20:21 gmcharlt     +1
20:21 Jo           someone will post notes for this meeting?
20:21 magnus       +1
20:21 slef         Jo: yes
20:21 collum       ++
20:21 Jo           same time?
20:21 sekjal       +1
20:21 thd          ++
20:21 tajoli       +1
20:20 imp          +1
20:20 hdl_laptop   +1 to March,2
20:20 davi         19:00 ++
20:20 chris_n      +1
20:20 slef         We have Tue 2 March suggested.  19:00?
20:20 davi         +1
20:20 nengard      +!
20:20 gmcharlt     +1 to March 2
20:20 slef         6. Agree time of next meeting.
20:20 collum       Oh.  Is this still the meeting. - Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library :)
20:19 rosa         yes I'm happy to help with stuff I know about
20:19 chris_n      March 2?
20:19 Vickiteal    Hah, hah schuster.
20:19 slef         (except the date of next meeting?)
20:19 thd          Rosalie++
20:19 schuster     Vickiteal is good with political goo and saying the right thing.
20:19 Jo           how about Rosalie (who has probably sloped off into the garden)
20:19 slef         OK, is there anything else left to decide right now?
20:18 Jo           yippi!
20:18 Jo           Rosalie is good at wordsmithing
20:18 Vickiteal    Not that it matters, but just for the record I'm starting to warm up to this idea.
20:18 Jo           Rosalie
20:18 wizzyrea     jo: yep, sec
20:18 imp          slef: ok, technical stuff later :)
20:17 Jo           wizzyrea: can you flick me an email please
20:17 davi         Sharon++
20:17 * wizzyrea   is going to use wpmu, but it will take a few minutes longer, and require some DNS configuration
20:17 davi         or we want to track downloads?
20:17 Sharon       who is best at wordsmithing?  The tone of the explanation for the creation of this site will be very important, so as not to piss off anyone
20:17 slef         imp: let's walk for the alpha/beta, run for the release?
20:16 davi         bittorrent advised too
20:16 imp          slef: can we make a continent based round robin?
20:16 chris        sounds good to me
20:16 davi         checked via GPGsign
20:16 wizzyrea     nengard fair enough
20:16 davi         yep
20:16 slef         ok, so we'll let everyone mirror, link them all and put verification instructions on the download page?
20:15 thd          I thought so but was not certain it happened that way
20:15 Jo           I did.
20:15 gmcharlt     at least, not on git.koha.org directly - we no longer have shell access
20:15 chris_n      thd: Jo purchased it
20:14 slef         hdl_laptop: no, but better than no info.
20:14 nengard      wizzyrea - temp yes - but i see it as us moving it to koha.org when we have that domain
20:14 gmcharlt     slef: alas, no
20:14 slef         magnus: on a related note, can gmcharlt or hdl_laptop run git pack on git.koha.org to make a tarball there?
20:14 thd          please also ensure that domain control is transferred to HLT
20:14 hdl_laptop   slef: would not be accurate since download.koha.org competed with that
20:14 wizzyrea     yes, but this is temp, nengard, remember ;)
20:14 nengard      so exciting
20:14 nengard      with MU we can easily create sites with subdomains - like docs.koha-community.org etc
20:14 wizzyrea     brb, afk one min
20:13 slef         can hdl_laptop tell us any download stats for the release hosted on koha-fr.org?
20:13 wizzyrea     whoever bought it and wants to put in the server info PM me plz
20:13 magnus       could we encourage people to get the alpha from git, to ease load on download servers?
20:13 nengard      awesome
20:13 nengard      hehe
20:13 wizzyrea     I"m already to the point of configuring the DNS so...
20:13 wizzyrea     instead of 5
20:12 wizzyrea     longer = 15 minutes :P
20:12 slef         wizzyrea: I have a wordpress mu git tree which I could upload to the host
20:12 wizzyrea     nengard: that would take longer but I'm open to that
20:12 slef         imp: we don't have access to downloads.koha.org stats to know, I think.
20:11 slef         gmcharlt: ok, thanks. Git does this stuff for me automatically now.
20:11 hdl_laptop   and there are md5summ also
20:11 imp          some stats around, how many downloads / traffic it causes per month?
20:11 hdl_laptop   releases are gpg signed
20:11 gmcharlt     slef: releases are supposed to be signed with checksums
20:11 nengard      wizzyrea - may I recommend wordpressmu ... then we can have a blog for the newsletter and one for koha news and one for ... etc etc etc
20:11 cait         I have to ask about it
20:11 slef         Are releases GPG-signed?  And there should be an md5sum on the www download page.
20:11 slef         ok, mirrorers? I think software.coop has some problem with mirroring just now, but biblibre is in the same country as us.
20:10 gmcharlt     I think anybody who wants to run a mirror and who can do so should be allowed to
20:10 richard      wordpress would be nice and quick
20:10 chris_n      maybe those willing to host mirrors should contact wizzyrea directly?
20:10 nengard      wordpress++
20:10 Jo           a mirror on each continent would be good
20:10 gmcharlt     wordpress++
20:10 cait         wordpress++
20:10 wizzyrea     yes
20:10 gmcharlt     I think the main thing left is to organize download mirrors
20:10 slef         but everyone who wants to help, contact wizzyrea!
20:10 cait         wizzyrea++
20:10 Jo           slef +1
20:10 wizzyrea     I can do wp super ez
20:09 slef         wizzyrea: if you're using something I know (like wordpress, django, static html, or whatever), I'll do my damnedest to help, now I've opened my mouth.
20:09 Jo           so we have a domain, a partial wwebsite going up, what else?
20:09 schuster     (a Texas favorite...:))
20:09 wizzyrea     I can do that super fast, and you all are wizards so if I need help you know who I'll be asking
20:09 schuster     wordpress++
20:09 schuster     wizzyrea++ - gmcharlt - aplpha, beta, final!
20:09 owen         slef++ # for offering too
20:09 imp          wizzyrea++
20:09 magnus       wizzyrea++
20:09 chris        wordpress would work fine, with the widgets and stuff
20:09 Ropuch       wizzyrea++
20:09 sekjal       wizzyrea++
20:09 gmcharlt     wizzyrea++
20:09 hdl_laptop   wizzyrea++
20:09 Jo           (slef: that was a hasty retreat :)
20:09 chris_n      wordpress wizard
20:08 thd          wizzyrea++
20:08 Jo           wizzyrea+
20:08 gmcharlt     I am willing to help organize as well, but my priority is going to be getting the alpha out
20:08 owen         wizzyrea++
20:08 * slef       withdraws, quickly
20:08 chris_n      wizzyrea++
20:08 * wizzyrea   ducks
20:08 slef         wizzyrea!
20:08 wizzyrea     <- is willing
20:08 slef         OK, I volunteer, but davi and mjkaye may flame me for that because I also have 1001 tasks backed up.
20:08 Jo           does anyone want to volunteer to organise this
20:08 chris        yeah i have about a trillion things to do
20:08 Ropuch       damn ;>
20:08 Ropuch       Jo__
20:08 Ropuch       Jp++
20:08 Jo           not Chris or me (we are trying to go live with 3.)
20:08 davi         After having it, announce it
20:08 thd          Jo++
20:08 magnus       Jo++
20:07 Jo           and then we replace it over the next few weeks
20:07 slef         ok, anyone else?
20:07 Jo           I quite like the idea of having a temp site up in half an hour using kea
20:07 owen         Sorry folks, it's not a good time for me to take that job :(
20:06 chris_n      then offers could be vetted by that person
20:06 slef         yes, who wants to organise... I saw someone try to put owen's hand up
20:06 davi         bittorrent++
20:06 chris_n      why don't we appoint someone to head this up?
20:06 davi         ack thd
20:06 * braedon    chimes in that he has some bandwidth going to waste if it is needed
20:06 hdl_laptop   we could host mirrors here at biblibre
20:06 * wizzyrea   volunteers to mirror
20:06 slef         can we organise a bittorrent to make downloads lighter on the hoster?
20:06 Jo           mirrors +1
20:06 gmcharlt     (also, mirrors in east asia, europe, and north america would be desirable anyway)
20:06 thd          davi: The bad publicity of trying to stop the community would be a strong caution against any unfortunate action
20:05 chris_n      gmcharlt took my words :-)
20:05 cait         cant we make something like differnt mirrors for download?
20:05 khall        why not use sourceforge for hosting downloads?
20:05 Jo           we happy to but can't carry a financial burden
20:05 wizzyrea     We are in EC2 with our server
20:05 imp          erm, afaik, it's ok to use a trademark, as long as you are using it /right/. so you can use cola-critic, if write critical stuff on it, but not just for "fun"
20:05 gmcharlt     so in particular, if anybody is willing to participate by running mirrors of the downlaods, that might be great
20:05 davi         ack thd.  I thought only postfix would be a problem, not prefix
20:05 slef         five offers of hosting, three offers of platforms
20:05 wizzyrea     bandwidth is always a cost
20:05 Jo           I'm open to software.coop
20:05 gmcharlt     main thing that anybody offering to host shoudl keep in mind that with release of 3.2 alpha and 3.0.6, there will be a fair amount of bulk download traffic
20:05 thd          davi: koha anything or anything koha could be an issue but I do not think that it is a real problem at the present time
20:04 Jo           Chris: is there a cost we will have to carry?
20:04 slef         ok, so we have two suggestions so far... I'll throw in my own suggestion of hosting with software.coop and/or using django-blocks.
20:04 gmcharlt     agreed
20:04 chris_n      Jo: makes sense
20:04 Jo           impartial / non-inflammatory etc
20:04 wizzyrea     if you have the server space and can, HLT would be best imo
20:04 nengard      hlt makes sense to me
20:04 Jo           should hlt host it
20:04 chris        i wasnt suggesting we use kea, we can just trigger it somewhere and have a full site in 15 mins
20:04 davi         Jo, thd,  I think  koha-community.org  would clash with trademark, not not libKoha,org    What do you think thd?
20:04 chris_n      brendan++
20:04 chris        no
20:03 wizzyrea     NEKLS could host it
20:03 slef         (is Kea FOSS?)
20:03 thd          slef: I was merely referring to expedience
20:03 nengard      why not throw wordpress on a server and put up the pages necessary  then we can easily give everyone rights to edit things
20:03 nengard      my problem is that the old site is a static html site
20:03 hdl_laptop   Jo++
20:03 slef         thd: personally, it would be nice not to have to use Kea, but it is up to those doing the work IMO.
20:03 magnus       Jo++
20:03 chris        the old site still exists in kea
20:03 owen         Jo++
20:03 Jo           koha-community.org
20:03 chris_n      Jo++
20:03 slef         we have one offer of hosting
20:03 thd          can we not just easily use or adapt the old pre-Plone website?
20:03 Jo           all done.
20:03 davi         For example, we have to ask to user GNU Herds, but not to use  Herds of GNUs
20:03 brendan      we can host it too
20:02 * chris_n    nominates owen
20:02 nengard      i have room on my server for another site
20:02 davi         so libKoha would be ok
20:02 wizzyrea     and who wants to hoste it
20:02 davi         thd, As I understand tradermarsk, prefix *koha is allowed, but not koha* postfix
20:02 slef         ok, so we have a domain - who wants to organise the development?
20:01 richard      schuster, liblime have never bought or have any financial interest in katipo
20:01 thd          slef: yes but not as safe as *koha*.fr
20:01 slef         thd: are there particular rules for .org which put it at risk?
20:01 chris        ll never bought katipo
20:01 * richard    tunes in
20:01 chris        schuster: pretty much dont believe anything you read on the LL website
20:00 slef         thd: sorry, descriptive use.
20:00 chris        hell no
20:00 chris        schuster: what????
20:00 slef         thd: as long as we do not sell off the back of it, it is honest use
20:00 davi         thd, ah, I see
20:00 schuster     chris - that's owned by LL too technically isn't it?
20:00 chris_n      have what?
20:00 Jo           ok - I have it
20:00 owen         Jo, are you looking now at freeparking.co.nz?
20:00 wizzyrea     Ack
19:59 slef         owen: got it?
19:59 thd          davi: *koha*.org would always be at risk as long as the community does not hold the trademark .
19:59 * owen       stops clicking
19:59 chris        so you can grab it there
19:59 chris        they are better than domainz too
19:59 chris        jo: freeparking.co.nz has it available
19:59 Jo           trust until people prove to be untrustworthy
19:59 wizzyrea     owen++
19:59 chris        schuster: why?
19:59 owen         Yes
19:58 chris_n      owen: doing it?
19:58 schuster     I'm actually shocked that the IRC and discussion lists are still running with Katipo personally...
19:58 davi         thd, noted, but it would not clash with  libKoha.org
19:58 Jo           for us
19:58 Jo           Owen: can you buy it please
19:58 thd          davi:  LibLime hold the US trademark at  the moment
19:57 chris_n      says it is
19:57 gmcharlt     ok, if somebody just bought it for the benefit of HLT, please speak up NOW
19:57 owen         It says available to me
19:57 chris_n      http://www.whois.net/whois/koha-community.org
19:57 Jo           i can grab .net
19:57 imp          slef: right, same here
19:57 slef
19:57 slef         NOT FOUND
19:57 slef         ; whois koha-community.org
19:57 davi         Who have it?
19:57 thd          I do not think that is a present concern but we should not forget about that risk long term
19:57 slef         heh
19:57 Jo           koha-community.org is not available
19:57 Jo           http://www.domainz.net.nz/purchasewizard/SearchPage.aspx?DomainNameSearch=koha-community.org
19:56 thd          Remember that a .org domain could always be at risk  of being captured by the US trademark holder
19:56 slef         go for it
19:56 slef         ok, I'm a minority of 1.
19:56 davi         koha-community.org looks better
19:56 magnus       koha-community.org
19:56 wizzyrea     thd: you had an issue?
19:56 sekjal       koha-community.org
19:56 brendan      koha-community.org
19:56 schuster     koha-community.org
19:56 Ropuch       koha-community.org
19:56 chris        to koha-community.org
19:56 collum       koha-community.org
19:56 rosa         koha-community.org
19:56 hdl_laptop   koha-community.org
19:56 wizzyrea     koha-community.org
19:56 Sharon       koha-community.org
19:56 chris        +1
19:56 slef         libkoha.org
19:56 Jo           koha-community.org
19:56 imp          koha-community.org
19:56 chris_n      koha-community.org
19:56 * owen       votes koha-community.org
19:56 gmcharlt     koha-community.org
19:55 cait         koha-community.org
19:55 slef         ok, votes! koha-community.org, libkoha.org or kohalms.org
19:55 thd          I think that we should consider one issue first
19:55 Jo           I hate kohalms
19:55 hdl_laptop   kohaworld.org
19:55 cait         +1
19:55 nengard      kohalms.org
19:55 Sharon       kohalms  sounds like 'alms for the poor'
19:55 imp          +1
19:55 wizzyrea     +1
19:55 davi         gmcharlt++
19:55 Jo           +1
19:55 Ropuch       gmcharlt++
19:55 chris_n      seconded
19:55 gmcharlt     I move that we vote between koha-community.org, libkoha.org, and kohalms.org
19:55 cait         magnus: lol
19:55 tirabo       kohasite.org is available
19:54 schuster     The teacher in Jo comes out I see...
19:54 slef         3 options... any other good ones?
19:54 slef         davi: already wrote that...
19:54 wizzyrea     thd :D
19:54 thd          wizzyrea: :)
19:54 imp          magnus: :D
19:54 Jo           (sit down Magnus)
19:54 davi         libKoha.org
19:54 magnus       one koha to rule them all!
19:54 slef         koha-community.org, libkoha.org, kohalms.org and what else?  We're keen on being in .org I think.
19:54 rosa         koha-community.org because it starts with koha (important) and is straightforward
19:54 Sharon       onetruekoha.org
19:54 gmcharlt     libkoha.org
19:54 wizzyrea     well you can't beat koha.org for that
19:54 davi         magnus, We can add a subtible at libkoha.org with "Community" word
19:53 thd          wizzyrea: think about length and the difficulty of typing accurately also
19:53 gmcharlt     kohalms.org
19:53 * owen       puts away his wallet
19:53 gmcharlt     Jo: koha-community.org is one
19:53 Ropuch       ;>
19:53 slef         yes, please don't all go buying domain names for HLT
19:53 Jo           can someone please list the serious contenders for a domain name
19:53 magnus       i think koha-community.org or some varient thereof would emphasise nicely the fact that this is the community taking control
19:53 gmcharlt     *only one Koha
19:53 Jo           then i;ll buy to save transferring it
19:53 owen         I prefer koha-community.org because I think "community koha" is a derogatory term invented by LibLime
19:53 gmcharlt     actually, I would prefer that it not  be communitykoha.org - there is one one Koha
19:53 Jo           lets settle on the name now.
19:52 davi         hdl_laptop,   Do you want I buy libKoha.org now?  Else who would buy it?
19:52 wizzyrea     communitykoha.org is available
19:52 davi         Jo; Do you want I buy libKoha.org now?  Else who would buy it?
19:52 slef         anyway, I'm sure that one sucks... do we have a clear domain leader yet?
19:52 hdl_laptop   davi: it is a tough idea
19:52 thd          whatever domain we choose we could have other good choices point at the one being used
19:52 chris_n      lol
19:52 Sharon       communitykoha.org
19:52 chris        heh
19:52 slef         another silly idea: kohaC4.org
19:51 Jo           davi: i likke it
19:51 davi         :)
19:51 rosa         full
19:51 slef         davi: Machiavelli.
19:51 davi         libKoha.org would add confusion to lib-koha for PTFS, and so would be good for us
19:51 wizzyrea     ;)
19:51 wizzyrea     no no we like it when you talk Jo
19:51 cait         full
19:51 thd          partial for now
19:51 slef         The partials have it?
19:51 Jo           ok - i'll lie down now an dbe quiet
19:51 Jo           lol
19:51 brendan      partial - downloads and community information
19:51 magnus       partial
19:51 schuster     partial
19:51 wizzyrea     partial
19:51 collum       partial
19:51 hdl_laptop   partial
19:51 imp          partial
19:51 chris_n      partial
19:51 owen         partial
19:50 gmcharlt     partial
19:50 sekjal       partial
19:50 Sharon       I think partial leaves the door open to getting koha.org back
19:50 nengard      full
19:50 gmcharlt     LMS works for USians too, although it's not as common
19:50 Jo           full
19:50 nengard      i'm had US libraries call it a LMS
19:50 davi         full
19:50 slef         partial IMO
19:50 Jo           and also settle on a domian name
19:50 slef         ok, votes! partial or full?
19:50 slef         kohaLMS.org is also free, but maybe that is UKish
19:50 Jo           can we vote on whether a partial or full website please
19:49 slef         owen: we can register it for them if not.  These are details.
19:49 cait         Jo++
19:49 Jo           have my creditcard in hand :)
19:49 davi         I like  libKoha,org     It is free yet
19:49 Jo           yes.
19:49 owen         Is HLT in a position right now to register a domain?
19:49 gmcharlt     chris: is there a suitable maori expression for "Koha For All" or the like that might make a suitable domain?
19:49 Jo           my preference is a near full subsitute website
19:49 Sharon       +1
19:49 slef         So, this is my understanding: a limited website with a clear explanation of why it exists, on a domain with HLT as the registrant and admin contact?
19:48 thd          As Vickiteal stated, PTFS is concentrating attention on other issues
19:48 wizzyrea     and when we know for sure, we can work out the logistics of it then
19:48 davi         They are free
19:48 wizzyrea     chris: then we are doing the right thing getting a new domain
19:48 davi         What about get   lib-koha.org and or libKoha.org ?
19:48 owen         If I were PTFS I'd rather transfer ownership of the domain than deal with the practicalities of granting outsiders access.
19:48 chris        but i dont think that without a promise, we can delay even longer
19:48 slef         Jo: "the substitue domain be held by or transferred to HLT"
19:48 Jo           gmcharlt: yes. HLT will absolutely accept it. Committed to supporting the kopha community
19:48 wizzyrea     chris: i'm not sure that it has been decided by them :(
19:47 chris        then none of this has to happen
19:47 chris        so if we could get PTFS to say "After the deal is concluded we will restore access rights to the community to the www.koha.org website"
19:47 Jo           can someone please clarify exactly what is it we are all in agreement to :)
19:47 gmcharlt     Jo: will HLT accept it - particular given that this is something that I think that we'll want to set up quickly?
19:47 chris_n      would HLT handle the setup of the new site?
19:47 davi         :P
19:47 thd          gmcharlt: that is essential
19:47 imp          +1
19:47 slef         davi: yes, PTFS. Use whois to check them.
19:47 owen         +1
19:47 tajoli       +1
19:47 chris_n      gmcharlt++
19:46 slef         gmcharlt++
19:46 wizzyrea     +1
19:46 Sharon       as long as we're transparent with the intent of the new site, I see no problem
19:46 thd          chris: I agree
19:46 wizzyrea     +!
19:46 davi         Is KohaLib.org taken?
19:46 gmcharlt     I move that however the substitue domain is acquired, that it be held or transferred to HLT
19:46 thd          chris_n++
19:46 imp          i would try to avoid using domainnames just differing by a "-" in the middle
19:46 chris        as long as they are silent, they are in effect dangling a sword over us
19:46 Jo           and that it is ideally a temporary measure until we get koha.org back
19:46 thd          slef: thank you, I like that answer
19:46 chris        problem solved
19:46 wizzyrea     I know of at least 4 customers of LL that have told PTFS that they want the assets transferred back to the community
19:46 chris        if PTFS said, as soon as the deal is concluded, you can edit the website again
19:45 chris_n      thd: a clear explanation on the main page should do to defuse concern
19:45 imp          jo++
19:45 Jo           thank you Vicki
19:45 slef         thd: if they do, then that would speak volumes.
19:45 Vickiteal    PTFS is not holding you ransom. It is LL.
19:45 slef         thd: I think as long as we're clear that we're putting a minimal site live because there is stale info on a site we have no access too, they shouldn't see it as agression.
19:45 wizzyrea     davi: there was a big kerfuffle about it
19:45 Jo           lets get on with a new site, host oit on a new domian and shift it back when'if we can
19:45 thd          chris_n: I would not hesitate except for the prospect of a change of control
19:45 davi         ah
19:45 imp          davi: Created On:31-Mar-2009 03:07:26 UTC
19:44 Jo           we don't ned to be held to ransom here by PTFS.
19:44 davi         here
19:44 davi         I proposed it some week ago?
19:44 davi         imp: When they got it? !
19:44 Jo           having info spread over a number of sites isn't especially organised or 'together'
19:44 Sharon       I agree with Jo
19:44 chris_n      thd: he who hesitates is lost....
19:44 davi         :P
19:44 imp          davi: koha-lib.org belongs to ptfs
19:44 davi         kohaLib.org
19:44 Jo           i think we need to show that the koha community is a 'together' thing who knows what its doing.
19:44 chris        slef: i just want a place that has accurate information about the latest version
19:44 slef         kohaHQ.org?
19:44 thd          I worry that actually making a new website live might be interpreted as a message of aggression by PTFS when they have not had an opportunity to respond from a position of control
19:43 davi         koha-community.org also good
19:43 cait         Jo++
19:43 slef         Thinking back, one problem with koha-community.org is will people look there for downloads and vendors, or only for support/chat?
19:43 sekjal       alright, sounds good
19:43 davi         koha-lib.org
19:43 wizzyrea     limited-purpose_website++
19:43 Jo           then shift it over to the koha.org if / when we get the domain back
19:43 chris_n      we install a redirect when/if we get the main domain back
19:43 chris        limited purpose for now
19:43 chris        ditto
19:43 Jo           so why not get the new site up and ruinning on whatever new domian we settle on
19:43 gmcharlt     I favor slef's suggestion of a limited-purpose website for now
19:42 nengard      okay
19:42 Jo           we don't have to rebrand as such, buyt we will need a whole new website regardless
19:42 slef         and so on
19:42 chris_n      sekjal: this would not be rebranding atm
19:42 slef         we put link it from the listinfo pages
19:42 wizzyrea     not to mention that a homepage that explains what's going on and what has happened could be an effective leverage tool :P
19:42 slef         nengard: for example, we all link it from our library mailing list sigs, which will appear on lists.koha.org
19:42 gmcharlt     we can rely on marketing to educate Google
19:42 sekjal       I'm inclined to be patient while PTFS figures things out.  We of course request whatever action is possible, but moving to rebrand is a lot of work to undertake if we're just going to get koha.org back again later.
19:42 hdl_laptop   cait++
19:42 slef         nengard: we market it. koha.org is not actively marketed at the moment, as far as I understand it.
19:42 gmcharlt     nengard: I think a homepage to explain what's going on would suffice
19:42 chris_n      slef++
19:42 collum       slef++
19:42 schuster     slef++
19:41 thd          slef: I understand that we could easily reproduce the old pre-plone website
19:41 cait         will we keep the koha.org website when we get the domain or will we need a new site anyway?
19:41 Ropuch       slef++
19:41 nengard      okay - tell me if i'm going off track - but if we don't do the whole site how the heck do we let people who know nohtng about koha koha that there is a diff site for downloads and support?
19:41 indradg      slef: ++
19:41 magnus       slef++
19:41 slef         I think we should keep it simple for now: download, links, manual.  What do others think?
19:40 wizzyrea     the things we can't fiddle with
19:40 Sharon       I think be hopeful and work on the assumption that koha.org will come back to us eventually
19:40 nengard      in my opinion
19:40 wizzyrea     I think you probably want the download, and the pay for support
19:40 gmcharlt     or wait until we know the final disposition of the LL/PTFS sale
19:40 nengard      gmcharlt i htink that's what we have to do - an entire site - there is way too much out of date and unreliable info
19:40 gmcharlt     just pieces of it (e.g., download)
19:40 thd          gmcharlt++
19:40 imp          owen: i know it's free ;)
19:40 Sharon       koha-community.org+
19:40 gmcharlt     do we set up a whole alternative website now?
19:40 slef         gmcharlt: which is?
19:40 wizzyrea     koha-community.org++
19:40 Jo           +1
19:40 gmcharlt     there a lot of potential domains containing the word koha that we could - I suggest we go back to the bigger question
19:40 nengard      me too
19:40 chris        yeah .org would be my preference
19:40 wizzyrea     i do like koha-community.org
19:39 wizzyrea     ooh, nengard also with a good one
19:39 owen         koha-community.org too imp
19:39 nengard      kohails.net is
19:39 nengard      chris_n koha.net is not avail
19:39 tajoli       koha.net is used
19:39 imp          owen: why .com and not .org?
19:39 slef         owen: kohaworld.com too
19:39 wizzyrea     owen
19:39 wizzyrea     ooh, I like that
19:39 owen         koha-community.com seems to be available
19:39 slef         blimey... I must have typod it earlier
19:38 chris        heh
19:38 slef         chris_n: is that available?
19:38 indradg      Jo++
19:38 * wizzyrea   roars with bestial vigor
19:38 chris_n      koha.net?
19:38 Jo           (it sounds like a call to arms thouggh ... a Braveheart thing)
19:38 Jo           i like freekoha too
19:38 gmcharlt     we could keep it limited for now, perhaps do koha-download.org to substitute for download.koha.org
19:38 nengard      no one owns it
19:38 slef         koha.something or kohaSomething.gtld would be better
19:38 nengard      freekoha is avail
19:38 Jo           its an interim name
19:38 chris        yeah im not super partial to it either
19:37 cait         i have koha-support.de - not used
19:37 slef         I hate openkoha.
19:37 thd          I expect that we would not have long to wait for the deal to be completed
19:37 imp          chris: sounds fine
19:37 magnus       openkoha.org is on friendly hands
19:37 Jo           i like openkoha
19:37 slef         koha-fr.org is good but probably should remain in French?
19:37 chris        thomas brevik has openkoha
19:37 wizzyrea     last friday
19:37 wizzyrea     we just got word that it will be an extra 2 weeks
19:37 slef         Anyone here got a nice koha domain already, or shall we go searching/buying?
19:37 hdl_laptop   koha-fr.org is for kohala
19:37 thd          The announcement had been that the deal would be completed by the beginning of February
19:37 Jo           absolutely agree
19:36 Jo           wizzyrea: we can handle that
19:36 nengard      Jo nothing - i think we should ask - but we need an alternative option as well
19:36 wizzyrea     more disappointment
19:36 slef         PTFS has koha-ils.org still
19:36 thd          We should at least wait until PTFS has effective control when the deal is completed
19:36 Jo           what do we lose by asking ?
19:36 slef         Who has what nice koha domain?
19:36 Jo           and we need a way to function effectively
19:36 chris_n      PTFS *could* exercise a deal of force on LL to give us access, however
19:36 slef         So we've asked LL for access before and not got it.
19:36 nengard      Okay - so I think we need to set up a home for an up to date koha site
19:36 Jo           yep. and the koha community is bigger than PTFS
19:36 nengard      chris - HEY! Don't blame the whole country!!
19:35 Vickiteal    All I'm saying is PTFS has no control over the web site and they have other things they are worrying about now.
19:35 Jo           yep.
19:35 nengard      trying ot come up with a way to fix things
19:35 chris        seriously, the US is causing a big mess for the rest of the world, and its getting old
19:35 nengard      we're problem solving
19:35 nengard      Vickiteal - i think that we're asking for something necessary - not degrading the conversation
19:35 thd          slef: you can get access if access is granted or control is transferred
19:35 chris        my patience with this situation is rapidly wearing thin
19:35 Jo           I'd say they would probably accept it as an interim soluition
19:35 chris        ppl are installing old versions of software because thats what the website points to
19:35 Vickiteal    This conversation is rapidly degrading.
19:35 nengard      slef it's not a law thing - it's a who owns the server thing
19:34 gmcharlt     slef: it would boil down to LL alone agreeing, until they are bought
19:34 Jo           it would forestall a rename / rebrand / relaunch
19:34 slef         imp: too long, contains a -
19:34 slef         Vickiteal: you may know US law more than most of us. If both PTFS and LL agree, can't we get access?
19:34 chris        this is freaking retarded
19:34 Jo           my thoughts exactly
19:34 imp          .oO(whois koha-community.org -> not found)
19:34 chris_n      Jo++
19:34 chris        i mean cmon
19:34 chris        Vickiteal: they surely have some influence, im sure they could say, joshua stop being a dick
19:34 tajoli       As CILEA we have www.koha.it
19:34 Jo           well lets ask LL and PTFS jointly
19:34 imp          how about a (second) domain, which can be used later for user based stuff (manual, ...) and maybe use it for everything / as second domain for specific stuff if we get the othre one back?
19:34 wizzyrea     2nd vickiteal
19:34 hdl_laptop   Jo++
19:34 sekjal       could we make it a point to update Wikipedia to the most correct info?
19:33 slef         well, most of the wiki
19:33 Vickiteal    PTFS does not own LL yet. They cannot give you access to the web site.
19:33 sekjal       just did a quick Google search on 'koha'.  Second relevant hit is Wikipedia
19:33 Jo           ok.
19:33 slef         Jo: we have the wiki.  We don't have www.
19:33 nengard      chris++
19:33 wizzyrea     when it is legally theirs then we can ask
19:33 Ropuch       chris++
19:33 Jo           so is that an option: we ask PTFS for editing rights to the wiki
19:33 magnus       but LL aren't going to give up anything now, are they? and PTFS isn't really in a position to hand anything over as long as the deal is not finalized, i would think?
19:33 chris        for crying out loud
19:33 chris        i hardly think that is asking much
19:33 thd          At this point, the deal is not yet even closed.
19:33 chris        they could at least let someone edit the website while they consider
19:33 wizzyrea     they do have an awful lot to consider.
19:33 slef         nengard: then we keep all the search engine juice.
19:33 Jo           I would suggest that we can't wait another 3 months
19:32 wizzyrea     thd++
19:32 thd          I am stating that we should give PTFS a chanc to consider their position
19:32 chris        i dont
19:32 nengard      and then set up redirects if things change?
19:32 nengard      so then chris don't you have a koha domain - can we start using that?
19:32 slef         chris: well, not in the immediate.
19:32 wizzyrea     I would say that PTFS is asking LL clients lots of questions
19:32 thd          no slef
19:32 slef         nengard: not really.  We just Redirect permanent one site to the other.
19:32 schuster     Jo - when you make your next contact you may want to point out those specifics to John Y and Patrick J - so they are aware how heavily the community used to rely on LibLime - they may not be aware that they are holding us up.
19:32 slef         chris: I think thd is taking that as a signal that PTFS won't change things.
19:32 Jo           agreed
19:32 nengard      slef - silly if we do eventaully get koha.org back
19:31 chris        so its not full of lies
19:31 chris        all i want is the website back in community control
19:31 Jo           we can get the word out between us
19:31 wizzyrea     I think there needs to be at least a secondary hosting spot. The further out of date koha.org gets the more likely people are to look for more up to date info
19:31 slef         Difficult, not silly.
19:31 chris        if ppl wanna let themselves be locked in, so be it
19:31 nengard      i would say we could register a new domain or use someone elses' for a while - but that's silly because all links go to koha.org
19:31 chris        i dont care 2 cents about LLEK
19:31 thd          from the press conference: PTFS will not change LLEK while evaluating it for 3 months.  Does not say anything about trademarks and domains but calls for patience.
19:31 Jo           so do we have options to consider?
19:30 nengard      and the newsletter
19:30 hdl_laptop   it surely is
19:30 slef         some of it we can update (wiki), some of it we have limited updates (bugs) and others are stuck
19:30 gmcharlt     Jo: it's an ongoing problem, yes
19:30 nengard      I have the manual to publish
19:30 owen         Definitely a problem.
19:30 nengard      It's a big problem
19:30 Jo           that seems to be a poblem for the community, or am i overstating this?
19:30 chris        yeah and the website sitll points to 3.0.4 .. and we cant list zeno etc
19:30 slef         and koha.org remains pickled until then
19:30 Jo           listing for paid support etc
19:30 Jo           regarding access to thedomain
19:30 Jo           this could easily go on for 3 months
19:30 Jo           what can we do / should we do in the interim.
19:30 slef         ok, go on
19:29 Jo           1 moment
19:29 slef         6. Agree time of next meeting.
19:29 slef         So let's wrap up so you can all gossip about who is hosting who in a mo:
19:29 Jo           I suspect its going to be a long drawn out affair
19:29 slef         OK, so "Next issues if negotiations have concluded." - they haven't.
19:29 chris        shes going it alone rather than stick with the crud
19:29 wizzyrea     i.e. she hasn't paid for the next 10 months of support
19:28 nengard      that i knew
19:28 chris        yeah
19:28 wizzyrea     well, she's voting with her payout
19:28 Jo           I think HLT should contact PTFS again in a month - no point any sooner,
19:28 slef         No-one has anything to add about unresolved negotiations?
19:28 nengard      chris - she did??
19:28 chris        lee from montana voted with her feet also
19:28 wizzyrea     NPL++
19:28 hdl_laptop   NPL++
19:27 owen         We were lucky to be in a position to do so. I know others might if their situation was different.
19:27 nengard      NPL++
19:27 indradg      NPL++
19:27 indradg      N
19:27 cait         NPL++
19:27 slef         chris_n++
19:27 magnus       owen++
19:27 chris_n      NPL++
19:27 chris_n      owen++
19:27 Jo           NPL ++++
19:27 Jo           The lack of access to the domain name is a real bummer
19:27 owen         NPL has voted with our feet :)
19:27 slef         exyliadics of het wordl, untie!
19:26 Jo           sorry - ll / ptfs clients
19:26 * chris_n    moves that we wait for the transaction to complete/fail
19:26 Jo           yep
19:26 thd          Jo did you mean customers?
19:26 slef         I guess we're now opening it to the floor.  What do we do?  Keep waiting how long after the sale completes, do you think?
19:26 slef         4. Possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations.
19:25 Jo           I have nothing more
19:25 Jo           I think that it is vcritical for LL / PTFS to express their opinions to PTFS
19:25 Jo           +1
19:25 slef         Is there any more to report on the status of negotiations or shall we move on?
19:24 wizzyrea     I know that we have expressed to the leadership our desire that the assets be returned to the community
19:24 Jo           and that is certainly the message I have been given: no decisions made
19:24 * chris_n    imagines its hard to make decisions before a sale is final at any rate
19:24 wizzyrea     NEKLS has not had any particular inkling of what they plan to do with the domain names/trademarks
19:24 thd          I could report from the public statements at the press conference that PTFS has not decided many questions
19:24 indradg      ok
19:24 chris_n      +1
19:24 gmcharlt     agreed
19:23 chris        i certainly don't
19:23 Jo           so the upshot is that we need to wait for the Americans to ghet their act together :)
19:23 slef         Do we expect that anything will happen before the sale completes?
19:23 wizzyrea     jwagner++ for clearing that up :)
19:23 thd          I attended the PTFS press conference at ALA Midwinter
19:23 schuster     boy she had that statement typed up and ready to go!
19:23 slef         I bow to others' knowledge of PTFS structure, but I'm always saddened by non-autonomous workers.
19:23 hdl_laptop   thanks jwagner
19:23 Jo           Cheers Jane.
19:22 owen         Thanks jwagner
19:22 schuster     The sale is not final yet between LibLime and PTFS - probably another 2 weeks.
19:22 Jo           John basically said said wait and see
19:22 jwagner      (1) No decisions can be made until the sale is final (which it isn't yet).  (2) These decisions will be made above our pay grade. (3) We are not authorized to speak for the company, and are still under an NDA.
19:22 Jo           fair enough.
19:22 chris        all doing so woudl do, would be to get themselves in trouble
19:22 Jo           sure... it was a suggestion
19:21 chris        Jo: i dont think that is fair to anyone from PTFS present, they dont have any authority to speak
19:21 jwagner      To forestall this and other questions, I'll repeat what I said the day the sale was announced.
19:21 cait         biblibre++
19:21 thd          chris_n: slef should speak for himself but his conflict is not really opposed as far as I know.
19:21 slef         nengard: ;-)
19:21 Jo           Maybe someone from PTFS might like to comment?
19:21 nengard      ??
19:21 Jo           HLT has also written to John Yokley twice reminding him about the community wishes for the koha domain and trademark and that we look forwarding to working with him
19:21 slef         nengard: you cannot modify your own karma!
19:21 nengard      biblibre++
19:20 magnus       biblibre++
19:20 chris_n      right
19:20 slef         chris_n: it depends.  Let us discuss that another time.
19:20 davi         biblibre++
19:20 wizzyrea     biblibre++
19:20 chris_n      slef: surely you support this move
19:20 sekjal       biblibre++, indeed
19:20 thd          biblibre++
19:20 Jo           actually they carfrying all the costs
19:20 slef         I have a conflict of interest, but that is only a point of information.
19:20 chris_n      Biblibre++
19:20 Jo           unasked and at no cost :)
19:19 brendan      biblibre++
19:19 slef         note: trademark application
19:19 * wizzyrea   cheers
19:19 Jo           Biblibre and HLT have signed and submitted the documentation for tranferfring the EU trademark over to HLT.
19:19 chris        back
19:19 slef         sorry - please fill us in
19:18 Jo           yep :)
19:18 slef         Is this Jo again?
19:18 * hdl_laptop Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre SARL
19:18 slef         3. Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains.
19:18 slef         ok, moving on
19:18 thd          davi: That is actually covered in some language in the draft
19:18 Jo           yep- my fingers are dyslexic :)
19:18 hdl_laptop   hi
19:18 slef         I think that was an ytpo.
19:18 davi         ack
19:17 slef         davi: "<Jo> Dai: That is my understanding"
19:17 slef         OK, any further comments or questions?  Particularly from anyone who hasn't opined yet.
19:17 davi         Will that committee be dissolved if we end turning to be an democratic Association?
19:17 slef         Thank you.
19:17 Jo           I will
19:17 chris_n      slef: maybe not so much the fixmes, but a reminder to look
19:17 davi         +as a reminder to mailing list
19:17 * imp        likes slef idea :)
19:16 slef         Who will post it?
19:16 wizzyrea     +1 even
19:16 wizzyrea     +!
19:16 Jo           Dai: That is my understanding
19:16 slef         Yes, shall we take the FIXME topics to the mailing list in a reminder?
19:16 chris_n      I also agree with gmcharlt that a reminder to the list is in order
19:16 davi         ?
19:16 davi         Will that committee be dissolved if we end turning to be an democratic Association
19:16 slef         If it degenerates into wiki war, then we'll deal with that.
19:16 gmcharlt     or at least a reminder sent to the lists to look at it
19:16 Jo           the Trust may want to suggest tweaks as well
19:15 gmcharlt     slef: wiki commentary is fine, but I think that a discussion on the Koha mailing list will ensure that everybody who is interested is aware of it
19:15 Jo           +1
19:15 slef         If the FIXMEs remain when they are submitted to the Trust, I think it's up to Bob or HLT
19:15 chris_n      I agree with slef; most of them are pretty straight forward
19:14 slef         Any opinion?  I'm minded to suggest that they should be taken up on the wiki.
19:14 wizzyrea     http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:organisations:koha_project_organisation:hlt:rules&s[]=committee&s[]=rules
19:14 thd          I hope that Bob would give attention to the FIXMEs
19:13 owen         Should we be discussing those FIXMEs now?
19:13 slef         Any other comments, or any questions?
19:12 slef         OK, I point out that there are a number of FIXMEs still in those draft rules.
19:11 Jo           I do want to clarify that the only task the community requests of HLT is to use best endeavours to secure the domain name and trademarks.
19:11 * Ropuch     Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE, Poland
19:11 Jo           so any last minute suggestions before I take the draft should be done this week.
19:10 Jo           The trustees meeting for Januray was postponed - well cancelled really - and I will be submitting the draft rules to the next Trust meeting being held on 25th Feb.
19:10 slef         please go ahead
19:10 Jo           sure.
19:10 slef         Report on DRAFT Horowhenua Library Trust KOHA Committee RULES.  Who wants to report on this?  Jo?
19:09 slef         OK - any further attendees, please announce yourself when you wish.
19:09 indradg      Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, Kolkata, India
19:09 wizzyrea     apologies from Lee Philips, Butte Montana (another meeting)
19:09 imp          Martin Janitschke, CCC Hannover
19:08 Sharon       Sharon Moreland, NEKLS
19:08 Colin        Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe
19:08 Vickiteal    Vicki Teal Lovely, South Central Library System, Madison, WI, US
19:08 magnus       Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
19:08 sekjal-away  Ian Walls, NYU Health Sciences Libraries
19:08 Jo           apologies from George Sue (travelling)
19:08 brendan      Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions
19:08 schuster     schuster = David Schuster Plano ISD/KUDOS
19:08 rosa         Rosalie Blake formerly HLT
19:08 Jo           Joann Ransom, Horowhenua Library Trust, NZ
19:08 jwagner      Jane Wagner, PTFS
19:08 Nate         Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions
19:08 thd          Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
19:08 davi         Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop
19:08 * nengard    Nicole C. Engard - Doc Manager & ByWater Solutions
19:08 tajoli       Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy
19:08 owen         Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library
19:08 * wizzyrea   = Liz Rea, NEKLS
19:08 * cait       = Katrin Fischer, BSZ
19:07 * gmcharlt   = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM, Equinox
19:07 chris_n      Chris Nighswonger, FBC
19:07 slef         MJ Ray, member of software.coop
19:07 slef         and we should all start with introductions
19:07 slef         okay so - I call this meeting to order
19:07 thd          I would volunteer but I am in great pain and will go see a doctor some time after the meeting
19:07 * chris_n    seconds slef
19:07 gmcharlt     but thanks
19:07 gmcharlt     Vickiteal: right, but I'm purposely trying to keep my RM role separate from the foundation-forming issue
19:07 Vickiteal    I think he is trustworthy.
19:06 Vickiteal    Galen is RM
19:06 gmcharlt     thd: none currently, but I did sign an NDA with LL and not personally likely to inspire much cooperation from kados on this matter
19:06 slef         thd: swine ;-)  Anyone else? (please?)
19:06 thd          slef: I nominate you
19:05 slef         thd: ex-worker.  Purely history, but even so.
19:05 slef         OK.  Any volunteers to chair?
19:05 thd          slef: what are gmcharlt's LibLime / PTFS links anymore?
19:05 gmcharlt     I'll chair if nobody else steps up, but would agree that somebody else should do it
19:04 slef         gmcharlt: are you in the chair, or is someone with no LL/PTFS links better?
19:03 slef         wizzy_lunch: YO!
19:03 wizzy_lunch  hey peps
19:03 davi         hi
19:03 Lee          Sorry off to another meeting but I will read transcript
19:02 gmcharlt     it's time, I believe
19:02 slef         Hi all.
19:02 imp          :(
19:00 nengard      dog decided to get sick all over the carpet - i'm here but cleaning
18:52 cait         :)
18:52 brendan      thanks Colin
18:51 Colin        I'll confirm it from the no-conversions timezone
18:50 brendan      if I've done the time conversions correctly ;)
18:50 brendan      yes in about 10 minutes
18:49 cait         the meeting is in a few minutes, right?
18:49 cait         hi brendan
18:48 brendan      heya cait
18:48 cait         hi koha
18:39 schuster     LUNCH quick!
18:38 chris        ok, off to catch my bus, might be a bit late to the meeting, my apologies if so
18:38 chris_n      test what you like in patron cards and then switch back to your previous db
18:37 chris_n      nengard: you don't have to drop your current db, just create another and adjust koha-conf.xml accordingly
18:34 nengard      closed the bugs
18:34 nengard      okay - brain is really tired - need to feed it - lunch time
18:34 schuster     owen - what about intranet-print.css does that come into play?
18:33 wizzyrea     afk
18:33 schuster     BACKUP!
18:32 nengard      :( doing that loses my patron and catalog data - which means starting all over with subscriptions and stuff - which makes documenting hard -
18:32 Colin        if you use the current updatedatebase you need to delete the first two lines
18:32 chris_n      then see if there are still errors
18:32 chris_n      and run the webinstaller from scratch
18:32 chris_n      I would suggest starting over with a clean db
18:32 nengard      yeah - i did fix some of them
18:31 nengard      oh
18:31 chris_n      there have been a number of issue with updatedatabase.pl over the past few months
18:31 nengard      k - so will checking out a new branch work?
18:31 nengard      hmm
18:31 chris_n      and you are missing db tables
18:31 nengard      lovely
18:31 nengard      heh
18:31 chris_n      nengard: your upgrade did not work
18:31 nengard      so I split them up
18:31 nengard      chris_n there were 2 bugs - one was 500 error the others were scripting errors
18:30 munin        04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4094 critical, P5, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, NEW, link to manage images broken
18:30 chris_n      nengard: I'm looking at bug 4094
18:29 munin        04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4096 blocker, P5, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, NEW, Patron Card Tool throwing many errors
18:29 nengard      updated bug 4096 with error log
18:28 chris_n      if you are on dev install over git
18:28 * chris_n    imagines something broke during your upgrade
18:28 chris_n      all links are good regardless
18:27 nengard      oh oka :( darn - then hang on - getting error log now
18:27 chris_n      nope
18:27 chris_n      ?
18:27 nengard      cause the new user will find nothing but errors :)
18:27 nengard      and if so then we need to disable those links if you don't have things set up yet
18:27 nengard      is it possible that the errors are because I don't have templates/layouts/etc set up already
18:26 nengard      and i'm about to get you the log file as well
18:26 nengard      yes
18:25 chris_n      and do you have command line access?
18:25 chris_n      what kind of install are you running?
18:25 nengard      chris_n that was all another language for me .... what command do I type?
18:25 chris_n      does the error log say anything else?
18:24 chris_n      nengard: that link works on two different installations here
18:22 chris_n      beware that Image::Magick will not work
18:21 chris_n      use the package maintainer's version as there is no cpan version
18:21 nengard      still getting errors when clicking links - off to bug report them for you
18:21 nengard      chris_n that wasn't it :)
18:20 nengard      installing now
18:20 nengard      k that needs to be added to the about page
18:19 chris_n      nengard: you must install Graphics::Magick
18:19 nengard      chris_n do i need a perl module for the patron card tool to work? cause i keep getting errorswhen clicking different links
17:59 schuster     OK - I'll bang a little on this with some of the other stylesheets that are referenced to see if that makes a difference.
17:58 owen         schuster: I took out the "input, " part of that line and it worked for me. Since you don't even have that I'm not sure what's going on.
17:57 schuster     I do not have that line in my code.  So when you changed yours to??? it worked? or comment it out?
17:56 owen         input, fieldset.action, .list-actions { display: none; }
17:56 schuster     .print {         display : inline;
17:55 schuster     hmmm - what would that declaration look like?  sorry still learning.
17:55 owen         /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/print.css
17:54 owen         schuster: Were you able to confirm or deny the existence of a declaration in your print stylesheet that hides inputs?
17:53 * jdavidb    goes "eep!"
17:53 schuster     owen - so we have decided this print problem is a local issue correct?
17:53 munin        jdavidb: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is 3.2�C (12:44 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).  Winter Storm Warning in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 7 am EST Wednesday...
17:53 jdavidb      @wunder 20817
17:52 munin        indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 17.0�C (10:50 PM IST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
17:52 indradg      @wunder kolkata
17:42 moodaepo     It was -30s in Montreal a couple of weeks back when we were in the -20s, wonder how el norte pole was doing. @wunder should be able to do past weather!
17:40 brendan      yay!
17:40 munin        moodaepo: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -12.0�C (12:00 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
17:40 moodaepo     @wunder Montreal, Canada
17:40 * moodaepo   tries it one last time
17:40 owen         "Humidity: -999%" ?!
17:39 moodaepo     brendan++
17:39 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -31.1�C (8:32 AM AKST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -70.0�C. Windchill: -31.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
17:39 munin        moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found.
17:39 brendan      @wunder north pole, alaska
17:39 moodaepo     @wunder Montreal, QC Canada
17:39 brendan      my favorite is
17:39 munin        moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found.
17:39 moodaepo     @wunder montreal
17:39 moodaepo     Well the Canucks got me beat most of the time so I feel warmer when I do this...
17:38 schuster     schuster is killing trees... sorry...
17:38 owen         polar is right
17:38 brendan      heh ;)
17:38 moodaepo     Hey brendan seems like we are back to being polar-opposites with ze weather : )
17:37 brendan      hi moodaepo
17:34 munin        moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -8.7�C (11:30 AM CST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising).
17:34 moodaepo     @wunder 56001
17:30 schuster     oh yes that is what I get when I print it - but things are lined up nicely.
17:30 owen         schuster: I mean is that what you get when you print it
17:29 schuster     print
17:29 Ropuch       ..and i fell for it ;>
17:29 schuster     yes that is what I see when I look at css media type
17:28 owen         schuster: Your filter is protecting you. We've been trying to trick you into looking at naughty pictures at work.
17:27 owen         http://zivotdesign.com/examples/edit-item-print-view.png
17:26 schuster     I can share either with you...
17:26 schuster     my *()^)*&^)&*( filter doesn't let me get to some of those sites.  Are you showing me code or printout?
17:25 owen         schuster, is this what you see? http://imagebin.ca/view/NXGtHD1.html
17:24 owen         http://imagebin.ca/view/NXGtHD1.html
17:24 owen         Yup, work.
17:24 * owen       checks for pants
17:23 wizzyrea     you are presumably at work right now :)
17:22 owen         At work I am, at home I'm on a Mac.
17:22 * wizzyrea   is also using FF 3.6
17:22 wizzyrea     owen: you are on a PC?
17:22 schuster     bblb
17:22 Ropuch       Evening #koha
17:22 Ropuch       ;>
17:22 wizzyrea     ooh look at all of the new shiny buttons
17:21 schuster     phewey
17:21 Ropuch       Web Developer plugin is must ;>
17:21 wizzyrea     mine display on both
17:21 * wizzyrea   too
17:21 schuster     can't get to that one - my network proxy blocks it...  So are you missing barcode or does yours display.
17:21 * chris_n    loves tools that make life easier... especially with web developing
17:21 owen         Sounds like this may be a PC problem.
17:21 chris_n      got it and installed :-)
17:20 owen         Sorry chris_n: that "Yes" was meant for you :)
17:20 wizzyrea     that's what my two prints look like :/
17:20 wizzyrea     http://img70.yfrog.com/i/qkkl.jpg/
17:20 schuster     I downloaded it, but I need to "restart" firefox
17:18 wizzyrea     owen: will def check it out
17:17 wizzyrea     :/
17:17 wizzyrea     i just printed it L.
17:17 * owen       highly recommends the Web Developer addon. It pre-dates Firebug and does some things Firebug doesn't
17:16 wizzyrea     not on mine
17:16 schuster     print preview looks ok that's what is strange - no probably would be missing the data.
17:16 wizzyrea     so, if i were to print that, it would come out the same
17:15 wizzyrea     <- on a mac though
17:15 wizzyrea     PDF
17:15 wizzyrea     that's the print preview
17:15 owen         wizzyrea: Yes
17:15 schuster     3/3 on the screen looks ok - its when it actually goes to the printer that it is missing the data.
17:15 chris_n      owen: is this it? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60?src=api
17:13 wizzyrea     yea
17:13 owen         wizzyrea: That's 3/3 of a printout?
17:13 chris_n      neat
17:13 wizzyrea     oooh
17:13 owen         It has a nice option for viewing pages using the CSS files for alternate media types. Good for testing your print CSS
17:13 wizzyrea     hmm, 3/3 looks like http://screencast.com/t/OWM2YjJjZ
17:12 wizzyrea     if it will help
17:12 wizzyrea     i will get it
17:12 wizzyrea     I have firebug
17:11 owen         wizzyrea: Do you have the Web Developer Firefox addon?
17:11 wizzyrea     that view?
17:11 owen         schuster: ...and yet the fix worked for me :|
17:11 wizzyrea     schuster: i'm trying to understand your issue. You have a problem with http://screencast.com/t/NzUwNTRmY2I
17:08 munin        chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 2.0�C (12:02 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling).
17:08 chris_n      @wunder 28334
17:04 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.4�C (9:00 AM PST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
17:04 brendan      @wunder 93117
17:03 owen         schuster: True. Yours probably doesn't have that line, and therefore my hypothesis is incorrect.
16:56 schuster     head looks different than mine at the moment.  So I'm investigating.  Since I'm on like .36...
16:55 owen         schuster: Were you able to tweak that file?
16:54 schuster     smm still a mystery...
16:49 owen         ...but I don't see why it wouldn't do that whether or not you're printing page 3 of 3
16:49 owen         Line 205 says to hide <input> when printing
16:49 owen         http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/print.css;h=16996611f56fa61f365fa5343941999326d066c6;hb=HEAD
16:48 schuster     yes wizzyrea - if you print all 3 pages it comes out ok, if you print page 3 of 3 most of the fields are blank.
16:48 wizzyrea     file a bug I'd guess
16:48 owen         schuster: The print stylesheet needs to be modified
16:48 wizzyrea     you are looking at the edit items screen?
16:47 schuster     So owen any suggestions on how to fix that so the data comes all the way through?
16:47 schuster     Timer hasn't dinged, but it is getting close.
16:47 schuster     Hey doesn't hurt, I half baked one and I think it is almost complete!!  URL checker...
16:46 wizzyrea     ;)
16:46 wizzyrea     b
16:46 wizzyrea     yea, but most of my ideas are half baked and kind of dum
16:46 schuster     I think we need to put all those ideas into bugzilla as enhancements so that others can chime in and possible help...
16:46 wizzyrea     perhaps I should post my idea bucket somewhere online :/
16:46 wizzyrea     hmm
16:46 wizzyrea     no, no I don't
16:45 schuster     Ok idea bucket tip over and let the ideas flow to completion!!  wizzyrea has all the answers right?
16:41 wizzyrea     really it's more like an idea bucket
16:41 owen         schuster: I get the same thing.
16:41 wizzyrea     sok though
16:41 wizzyrea     heh, no
16:40 * chris_n    wonders if wizzyrea can see the bottom of her list
16:40 schuster     You are correct not a new item, but it bubbled to the top of my stack of papers again.
16:40 * wizzyrea   puts that on her list
16:39 wizzyrea     what a great feature it would be to have a print friendly items view
16:39 wizzyrea     you know
16:38 owen         schuster: This isn't a new issue is it? I seem to recall you asking about this before.
16:37 schuster     Thoughts?
16:36 schuster     If we do file print and say print ONLY page 3 to 3 which is the edit item page all the fields are blank except #2, 8, a, b, c, y
16:36 schuster     on the Edit item page all cells/fields are filled in on the printout.
16:35 schuster     If we pull up an item in the edit mode - and do file print we get 3 pages - title, grid, and then the Edit item #XXXX
16:34 owen         Sure
16:34 schuster     hey all - owen have a minute to look at something dealing with printing?
16:27 chris_n      g'morning
16:15 ccurry       In addition, $c, shelving location is missing from this form...I checked the MARC Bibliographic Framework and the code for the hidden field of 952$c is correct & it displays correctly when creating a non-serial item.
16:09 ccurry       I tried copying the js from the pastebin above and changing the subfield to o and replacing serialseq with publisheddate, but this doesn't output the publisheddate field...and overwrites the call number generated by system preferences, so I guess something more sophisticated is necessary?
16:08 ccurry       owen: thanks
16:08 ccurry       duh
16:08 munin        owen: Error: "spits" is not a valid command.
16:08 owen         munin spits out details of bugs if you give a bug number
16:07 ccurry       interesting.  I never know when I'm talking to a robot on IRC...that's a smart one.
16:06 munin        ccurry: Error: "thanks." is not a valid command.
16:06 ccurry       munin: thanks.  good to know.
16:06 ccurry       I'm trying to do a more involved customization to populate $h with "publisheddate" from the serialitems table and append "serialseq" to the call number in $o.  Any tips on how I can achieve this?
16:05 munin        04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3899 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Receive Serial Item Has Copy Info in Wrong Field
16:05 owen         Bug 3899
16:04 ccurry       http://pastebin.com/m4e03ad68
16:04 ccurry       ...latter is obviously a mistake, and is easy enough to fix by editing line 73 of /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serials-edit.tmpl, replacing "v" with "h" to populate h -  Serial Enumeration / chronology with "serialseq" instead.
16:04 ccurry       I'm working on getting the serials module working correctly (or at least limping along).  When receiving a new item from within a subscription record, some data is automatically generated in the item record.  The call number is applied (as defined in system preferences "itemcallnumber") and "serialseq" ( from serial items table) is inserted into subfield v  Cost, replacement price.  The...
16:04 ccurry       Hello everyone.  A few questions about serials:
15:51 nengard      On the OPAC - I see no reason why the patron would need anything else ... but if hdl_laptop was asked to put it there - maybe we need find out why
15:51 owen         So nengard you think all we need is the library filter?
15:48 nengard      owen - not that I know of ...
15:48 nengard      but as I'm the bug reporter - I still see no reason for the patron to know how many subscriptions the library has set up or their IDs
15:48 owen         But there is no way, other than with subscription ID, to distinguish the two
15:48 nengard      yes
15:48 nengard      the way it works now if you have 2 copies of Computers in Libraries  at your branch you need two subscriptions
15:47 owen         One library branch?
15:47 nengard      name/title
15:47 nengard      owen, i would expect one library to have multiple subscriptions with the same name
15:46 owen         Isn't a filter by branchcode all you would need? Unless you expect one library branch to have duplicate subscriptions to the same title
15:43 hdl_laptop   serial name
15:43 owen         serialseq?
15:43 hdl_laptop   But if we could use a pretty jqueryfilter so that user can filter branchcode or even serialseq.... Then i think it would do the job
15:42 hdl_laptop   mmm maybe... I think it was asked.
15:40 owen         The ID number doesn't mean much to the librarian, let alone a patron
15:39 owen         Is there a reason why a librarian would need to filter by a subscription ID?
15:39 munin        04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4090 minor, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, subscription ID showing in OPAC - confusing
15:39 owen         hdl_laptop: Can you look at Bug 4090?
15:29 hdl_laptop   thanks Colin
15:28 Colin        hdl_laptop: thanks I'll take a look at ensuring enddate gets set
15:22 jdavidb      figured probably so.  Thanks!
15:21 hdl_laptop   sure you have to.
15:21 gmcharlt     yes, you need to reindex
15:21 jdavidb      hdl_laptop: after setting icu up, is it necessary to reindex?  I've got the modified default.idx and icu.xml in place, and restarted zebra, but no change to results.
15:20 nengard      owen just saw the work you did on subscriptions display in the OPAC - nice work!! Thanks :)
15:16 nengard      thanks hdl_laptop!!
15:15 hdl_laptop   my;field;is;great;Ratzinger**Benedito/Wojtila**john-Paul;....
15:14 wizzyrea     thanks again
15:14 wizzyrea     brilliant, it worked
15:14 hdl_laptop   for instance -- as subfield separator
15:14 hdl_laptop   for instance / as field separator
15:13 hdl_laptop   for instance ; as csv
15:13 hdl_laptop   And had you had multiple $a in your 700 then you would use the subfield separator
15:13 nengard      and then the $ is the subfield separator?
15:13 hdl_laptop   There comes the field separator
15:13 nengard      OH!!! that makes sense
15:12 hdl_laptop   and you have 10 700 tags...
15:12 hdl_laptop   imagine 700$a
15:12 hdl_laptop   nengard: But you can have multiple tags and subfields answering your question
15:12 hdl_laptop   nengard: csv separator is for the csv "fields" in your excel file
15:11 brendan      ah sure thing wizzyrea :)
15:11 wizzyrea     brendan: thanks for the tip, will do :)
14:59 jwagner      Gee, lots of karma floating around this morning :-)
14:57 jdavidb      hdl_laptop++ again, just because!  Gonna spin this up on a test instance, make sure I get it right before I subject my customers to my fumblin'.
14:56 hdl_laptop   yep
14:55 jdavidb      hdl_laptop: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-January/022269.html ?  This what I need?
14:54 nengard      okay - documentation question re: csv profiles - what does each seperator mean? what's the diff between a csv sperator, field seperator and subfield seperator?
14:51 jdavidb      I see etc/zebra/etc/icu.xml; I gather that's the config that tells icu how to do stuff?
14:50 hdl_laptop   installing the package, + tweak zebra configuration
14:50 nengard      or :)
14:50 nengard      thanks :)(
14:50 owen         Yes
14:50 nengard      owen can you remove the dup fields then too?
14:49 jdavidb      Thanks!  Is it just a matter of installing the package, and reconfiguring/reindexing zebra?
14:49 owen         nengard: I'm working on that template now
14:49 nengard      will report and try to fix
14:49 jdavidb      hdl_laptop++
14:49 nengard      okay - so it's a bug :)
14:49 hdl_laptop   I guess.
14:49 hdl_laptop   nengard: bad conflict merge ?
14:49 hdl_laptop   jdavidb: I posted some icu files and you have some on Univ_Lyon3  branch on git.biblibre.com
14:48 nengard      hdl_laptop any ideas why the seperator fields are duplicated on the CSV profiles tool?
14:46 jdavidb      okay..  gonna go do some searching, and figure out how to do that...
14:45 kf           jdavidb: you can test in our library catalog if you want to, it works fine there
14:44 nengard      csv profiles question ... why are the seperators listed 2 times each? Is this a bug or is there a reason I need it twice?
14:44 kf           jdavidb: icu indexinb
14:43 hdl_laptop   jdavidb: I guess you should try to setup yaz-icu
14:43 hdl_laptop   Colin: maybe we could require the enddate or try and process that from subscription data
14:42 munin        04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 major, P1, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Diacritics not being ignored when searching
14:42 jdavidb      Hm...anyone seen anything useful that might help with Bug 2629 ?  I've got a couple of sites that are fussing about this
14:33 Colin        Was the logic to force the renew or should you require the enddate on add
14:32 magnus       and i'll make sure it's updated to alpha as soon as i can after it's out
14:32 magnus       i have one at http://head.bibkat.no/ http://head.bibkat.no:8080/ username = password = demo that i will share with anyone
14:31 Colin        but not receive a copy until you renew
14:31 Colin        Hi a question on enddate in serials. You can add a subscription without one
14:31 magnus       i think there was talk a while back about making available test-installations for people to try and hunt for bugs, without requiring everyone to set up their own installations. anyone thought any more about that?
14:30 hdl_laptop   hi Colin
14:30 Colin        is hdl_laptop about?
14:06 imp          gmcharlt++
14:06 * imp        will try the alpha version :D
14:05 imp          \o/
14:04 kf           gmcharlt++
14:03 hdl_laptop   gmcharlt++
14:03 magnus       gmcharlt++
13:57 nengard      gmcharlt++  woo hoo
13:56 jdavidb      gmcharlt++
13:54 gmcharlt     hilongo: do you get this conversion error if you open the file in vi and try saving it without making any changes?
13:54 jwagner      gmcharlt++ yippeee!
13:53 jdavidb      Indeed, owen.
13:53 gmcharlt     news for you - this evening I'll be bringing in the last of the patches for 3.2 and tarring up the alpha
13:53 owen         jdavidb: Toiling away for clients is toiling away in obscurity
13:53 hilongo      but now I can't add the equivalences to the sort-string-utf.chr file, cause it complains on saving with a 'CONVERSION ERROR' from vim ...
13:52 gmcharlt     hi hdl_laptop
13:52 hdl_laptop   hi gmcharlt
13:51 hilongo      after the upgrade to v3.0.5 same problem presented, because of new word-phrase and sort-string files
13:50 * jdavidb    hasn't done much karma-worthy lately, anyway.
13:50 owen         jdavidb: Not enough time to score some karma
13:49 hilongo      under /etc/koha...
13:49 hilongo      the thing is ... that I seem to have two sets of diacritics in my database.. back in v3.0.1 I fixed this adding some equivalences in word-phrase-utf.chr and sort-string-utf.chr
13:49 jwagner      Harrumph.
13:48 gmcharlt     sockpuppets FTW!
13:48 kf           gmcharlt: not sure this is fair
13:47 jwagner      Hey, kf/cait can accumulate karma under two identities!  That's not fair.  I need to start logging in with an alternate persona!!!
13:47 gmcharlt     hilongo: what's your question?
13:46 gmcharlt     kf: happy now? :)
13:45 gmcharlt     cait++
13:42 munin        kf: cait has neutral karma.
13:42 kf           @karma cait
13:42 jwagner      hilongo, you can ask, don't know whether anyone is online that has an answer....
13:41 jwagner      Awwww, getting karma back :-)
13:40 munin        kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
13:40 kf           @karma kf
13:40 kf           jwagner++ # for discussing fines and notices with me :)
13:39 jwagner      Meant to do that yesterday, but I was too excited about getting it to work!
13:39 kf           karma yay :)
13:36 hilongo      is there someone who can lend me a hand on that matter around? :)
13:35 hilongo      I have updated my Koha to 3.0.5 and I'm having a 'dia'critial problem ...
13:33 jwagner      kf++ for yesterday's patron attribute help :-)
13:33 jwagner      Oh, by the way...
13:27 jwagner      G'morning.
13:27 hilongo      good morning to all  :)
11:25 CGI693       while books are present but it do not show in catalogue from opac
11:25 CGI693       Im not able to search opac catalgue from reserviours data
11:20 CGI693       ??
11:16 CGI693       I did not get " launched indexation" ...??
11:16 CGI693       Im using zebra mode
11:15 hdl_laptop   are you using zebra or no zebra mode ?
11:15 hdl_laptop   CGI693: have you launched indexation ?
11:13 CGI693       I add some books but when I want to search these from OPAC search catalogue, they dont show there
11:11 CGI693       how can I use callnumber
11:10 hdl_laptop   CGI693: for shelving locations, in koha, and in libraries, you can use  itemcallnumber.
11:08 hdl_laptop   lists were named virtualshelves : they are just there to store some records for more visibility and work
11:07 hdl_laptop   item types are the type of items and rules for check-in and out.
11:05 CGI693       and how can I add books in different shelves
11:05 CGI693       and I review the documentation but still Im in cofusion, that wht is different b/w item types and lists
11:04 CGI693       Im new user of KOHA
11:01 Amit         what problem
11:01 Amit         hi CGI693
10:59 CGI693       can any body help me?
10:59 CGI693       how can I place books in different shelving locations
10:58 CGI693       I read documents properly, but Im still in cofusion, that how koha function
10:58 CGI693       hi All! I installed koha-3.004_fixed  on debian-lenny,
10:48 magnus       sleep tight
10:47 kf           good night chris
10:46 chris        night all
10:46 chris        ok time for sleep for me
10:42 chris        http://www.igougo.com/traveldeals/ratefinder.aspx
10:41 chris        seems to be cheapest so far
10:40 chris        yeah stuttgart -> london -> hong kong -> nz
10:39 chris        yeah
10:38 kf           and 1/2 days +- are making a difference too - will need more time for this :)
10:38 kf           stuttgart london seems to work too
10:37 chris        so they all fly through there
10:37 chris        looks like lufthansa's main hub is frankfurt
10:35 kf           or perhaps zürich (switzerland)
10:35 kf           stuttgart
10:35 chris        whats the nearest big airport to you kf?
10:33 kf           me too
10:33 chris        they stop in singapore or thailand usually
10:33 Ropuch       ;>
10:33 * Ropuch     making notes
10:33 kf           thx!
10:33 chris        i flew lufthansa to vienna, and also to munich
10:33 chris        means they often code share flights
10:33 kf           star alliance?
10:32 chris        same as air nz
10:32 chris        lufthansa is part of the star alliance
10:32 chris        then book direct with the airline
10:31 kf           ah, hi chris
10:31 chris        i usually use travelocity
10:29 kf           or nengard
10:29 kf           perhaps chris has some tips
10:27 magnus       me to...
10:25 kf           flying too seldom
10:25 kf           I think there are several sites for finding cheap flights - but I have no recommendation
10:24 magnus       what sites are you guys using to look for tickets? any recomendations?
10:23 kf           because it might be cheaper to fly from here?
10:23 Ropuch       I was thinking about cost of trip to Berlin/Hannover
10:21 kf           hm?
10:21 Ropuch       Oh, +/- 50 eoros is nothing compraed to final  amount ;>
10:20 kf           ah ok
10:18 Ropuch       I must geto to Germany first
10:18 kf           flight, not laptop
10:17 kf           hm I have one for 1209.00 EUR here
10:17 Ropuch       I'm a big fan of cheap laptops ;>
10:17 kf           yes
10:16 Ropuch       Still it's 1300-1500 euro
10:15 kf           still enough to buy a real nice new laptop :(
10:15 kf           hm playing with dates, not flying on weekends gets cheaper
10:15 kf           I ll bring mine too :)
10:15 Ropuch       http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pitch+a+tent
10:14 Ropuch       Is "pitching a tent" used in realtion to a tent?
10:13 Ropuch       I mean: in
10:13 Ropuch       chris: can I assemble a tent on your yard? ;-)
10:10 Ropuch       And hitchhiking the plane is not an option ;>
10:10 kf           yes :(
10:09 Ropuch       The flight cost alone is a killer
10:08 Ropuch       Librarian on the road ;-)
10:08 magnus       Ropuch: sounds like a good idea!
10:08 Ropuch       Althought I'm years past my student times, I thinking about just getting there and try get some part time job to cover my expenses, just as I did in NOrway back then ;>
10:07 kf           I = it
10:07 kf           I would really like to go too.. but I will be really expensive
10:06 kf           Ropuch: I know your problem
10:06 Ropuch       But it would cost all of my savings
10:06 Ropuch       I'm still considering sightseeing trip to NZ with Kohacon as a bonus
10:06 kf           German library conference is in march too
10:04 Ropuch       Heh
10:00 magnus       and i would love to "round it out" by going to kohacon, but i'll need some more customers first i think...
09:55 magnus       me too
09:54 chris        i feel that 2010 is going to be a good year for koha
09:53 magnus       i'm very anxious to hear and feel what the response will be there
09:52 magnus       in the middle of march there will be the annual norwegian library conference, where i will have a stand to promote koha and myself. and nicomo will be there to help too :-)
09:51 chris        :)
09:51 magnus       i'm doing my best...
09:51 chris        be nice to get a good koha presence in scandanavia
09:51 chris        good idea
09:50 magnus       i'm using it for all it's worth to make norwegian librarians aware of the benefits of koha too...
09:50 magnus       yup
09:48 chris        very cool
09:47 magnus       they point out some things that are particular to sweden + translations, but otherwise they really like it
09:47 magnus       oh, yes - the title says it all really
09:44 chris        it seems the swedish report was very complimentary toward koha
09:44 chris        mostly, google translate does a good job
09:43 magnus       chris: and understands everything? ;-)
09:43 * chris      reads magnus blog
08:52 hdl_laptop   thx chris_n.
08:51 magnus       hi hdl_laptop
08:51 hdl_laptop   hi magnus
08:46 magnus       hi, kf and Amit
08:45 Amit         heya magnus
08:45 kf           morning Amit and magnus
08:45 magnus       good time-of-the-day-or-night #koha
08:44 Amit         heya kf, Ropuch
08:31 kf           good morning Ropuch
08:30 Ropuch       Hello kf, imp :)
08:29 kf           heyho imp ;)
08:29 imp          heyho kf :)
08:25 kf           hi #koha
07:51 imp          moin :)
07:24 Ropuch       Morning #koha
04:33 chris_n      g'night #koha
04:32 munin        chris_n: The operation succeeded.
04:32 chris_n      @later tell hdl_laptop I resubmitted a corrected patch for bug 4074; the 3.0.x version is here: http://git.foundations.edu/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=925aad5aa27f327153dd0de75edfb1a4ebf6b47f and can be pulled from there if you like
04:13 Amit         heya chris
04:13 Jo           thanks everyone
04:12 chris        bbl
04:12 chris        ok hometime
04:11 chris        nblake at masscat.org
04:11 chris        no idea, you could email nora
04:10 Jo           Masscat: any idea how many partner libraries or service sites
04:09 Amit         np
04:09 Jo           amit: thank you.
04:08 Amit         45 branches
04:08 Jo           delhi: how many branches or sites would you think?
04:07 Amit         http://dpl.gov.in/
04:07 Jo           Hands lollypop to Amit :)
04:07 Jo           delhi is a g ood one
04:06 Jo           Kerala state : whats the story with that one again?
04:06 chris        there must be 4 million ppl in delhi easy
04:06 Amit         i think oldest library in india
04:06 Amit         Delhi public library completed 60 years
04:06 Jo           thanks - needed a very cool example
04:06 Jo           cool.
04:05 chris        vicki
04:05 chris        wisconsin
04:05 Jo           scls - what state is that?
04:05 brendan      errr..  year
04:05 brendan      whoops off by a month
04:04 brendan      howard county
04:04 chris        its hard to know masscat has a lot of libraries mostly small though
04:04 brendan      oh I get it now
04:03 Jo           Hands lollypop to Chris .. :)
04:03 Jo           Amit: as in all of NZ, or an entire state in US or India
04:00 chris        http://www.scls.info/ has 3.6 million volumes does 11262790 circ transactions per year
03:58 brendan      Jo "all of country"
03:57 Amit         heya JO
03:57 brendan      hey amit
03:52 Jo           virtula lolly pop for the first 5 answers :)
03:52 Jo           pop quizz: koha consortia serving populations over 4 million, or 'all of country or state"
03:48 chris_n      I got an irc proxy up and running thanks to several who pointed me in the right direction
03:47 chris_n      actually I'm just one now :-)
03:47 Amit         heya chris_n2
03:47 chris_n      howdy Amit
03:46 Amit         morning #koha
03:46 Amit         heya brendan, chris
03:41 chris_n      both lines I had you add should be there and uncommented
03:41 chris_n      braedon: add '$query =~ s/(?<=rtrn):/=/g;' immediately after the line I had you add a moment ago and see if that fixes things up
03:38 Drew         there is no virtualhost line in that file
03:35 chris_n      I think on ubuntu that is apache2.conf
03:27 Drew         the file is blank
03:26 chris        whats the virtualhost line of your intranet section of the httpd.conf file?
03:25 Drew         it would seem so it just won't respond
03:25 chris        ok so its definitely listening on port 8080
03:24 Drew         if i telnet i get nothing it does connect
03:21 Drew         127.0.0.1 - - [02/Feb/2010:11:38:52 +0900] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.10 with Suhosin-Patch (internal dummy connection)"
03:19 chris        do you get a connection?
03:19 chris        telnet  192.168.11.23 8080
03:19 chris        and if you go
03:19 chris        does it get an entry at all?
03:18 chris        no, what does the access log say
03:18 Drew         The webpage cannot be displayed
03:18 chris        what does it list when you hit that url above?
03:15 Drew         nothing that i can see thats an error
03:12 chris        whats in the access log?
03:11 chris        right, well that error must have occured the one time you messed it up
03:11 Drew         192.168.11.23:8080
03:11 Drew         might have messed it up once but thats the only error i found
03:11 chris        can you paste exactly what you did?
03:10 Drew         thats what i did
03:10 chris        or http://your.domain.name:8080/
03:10 chris        http://your.ip.number:8080/
03:10 chris        it needs to before the slash
03:09 chris        ahh you are putting the :8080 in the wrong place
03:08 Drew         this is the line [error] [client 192.168.11.54] File does not exist: /var/www/:8080
03:08 braedon      works in 3.0.1
03:08 braedon      and git 3.0.x actually
03:08 braedon      have used, and is broken in, 3.0.4, and git head
03:07 braedon      using 3.0.5 currently
03:07 braedon      chris_n: sorry, was afk
02:56 chris_n      which file does the log say is not found?
02:52 Drew         error.log
02:52 chris_n      Drew: which file?
02:48 Drew         the log says file not found
02:48 chris_n      s/wronge/wrong/
02:47 chris_n      what version are you using?
02:47 chris_n      so maybe there is something else wronge there
02:47 chris_n      but if the original line was not commented out, your search links should have worked
02:46 chris_n      ie. ti: au: etc
02:45 chris_n      the new regexp normalizes by removing only query limit pragma
02:45 chris_n      normalizing the query by removing all : results in the inability to search on anything containing a :
02:41 braedon      what exactly is it supposed to fix(in case i am getting the wrong end of the stick here)
02:38 braedon      i tried that, and it doesn't seem to work
02:37 chris_n      in that case, comment it and add the one I gave below it
02:37 braedon      s/I an/I can/
02:37 braedon      chris_n: where abouts should that line "#    $query =~ s/:/=/g;" be? The only one I an find isn't commented
02:32 chris_n      Drew: what do the apache logs say? ie. /var/log/apache2/error.log and access.log
02:29 chris_n      missed that
02:24 braedon      "- Drew, 14:52 - do I need to change anything else other than ports.conf to listen 8080"
02:22 chris_n      Drew: is your apache configured to listen on port 8080?
02:19 braedon      and don't restrict the search to apache too strictly. that is only my guess :P
02:19 braedon      no probs. sorry i couldn't be more help
02:17 Drew         ok then I will look in that dirction for answers thanks for the help.
02:17 braedon      i would say it is an apache config issue
02:16 Drew         The webpage cannot be displayed
02:15 braedon      what is it giving you on 8080 exactly?
02:14 Drew         you think it is an apache problem or a koha
02:13 braedon      sorry. anyone else have any ideas?
02:13 braedon      hmm, looks alright to me
02:07 Drew         http://pastebin.com/d78047351
02:06 braedon      then send the link
02:06 braedon      http://pastebin.com/
02:05 Drew         whats the best way to send it?
01:58 braedon      but i haven't done a fresh install, so there may be something tricksy elsewhere that i am unaware of
01:58 Drew         ok give me a sec
01:58 braedon      as far as i am aware, no
01:55 Drew         do I need to change anything else other than ports.conf to listen 8080
01:55 braedon      can you paste your whole apache koha file in pastebin or something?
01:53 braedon      the port 80 should give you a maintenance message until you set it up through 8080
01:52 Drew         or port 80
01:52 braedon      so it is jsut the port 8080 virtualhost that isn't working
01:52 braedon      yip
01:52 Drew         so I know that apache is working
01:52 Drew         no if I go to the ip it gives me the koha screen but tells me it is down for maitience
01:51 braedon      does port 80 work?
01:51 braedon      hmm, not sure then sorry
01:50 braedon      lol, ok
01:50 Drew         thats just a typo it is there
01:50 braedon      i presume between the two 1's
01:50 braedon      you need a extra .
01:50 Drew         yes, I have even restart the pc
01:49 Drew         <VirtualHost 192.168.1123:8080>
01:49 braedon      did you restart apache after changing them?
01:49 braedon      what are they set to now?
01:48 Drew         yes I changed them before do I need to take out VirtualHost from the title?
01:48 braedon      there will be one lower down for 8080 as well
01:48 braedon      eg, <VirtualHost 127.0.0.1:80>
01:47 Drew         let me check
01:46 braedon      if the hosts in that file are set up for 127.0.0.1(localhost), you will need to change them to the IP address of the server
01:46 Drew         yeah that is where it is I am using that myself what am I looking for?
01:45 braedon      (that is what it is on ubuntu/debian at least)
01:45 braedon      probably something like /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha
01:45 braedon      check your site config for koha
01:44 braedon      apache may not be set up correctly
01:44 Drew         another
01:44 braedon      are you on the machine koha is on? or are you on another?
01:43 Drew         need some help I am new to koha and I followed the instructions from the wiki but I am getting nothing when I go to port 8080 any ideas?
01:40 braedon_     ok, thanks chris_n.
01:40 braedon_     grr, damn empathy crashing
01:38 chris_n      bbiab
01:38 chris_n      git should work out the merge when it does show up in the main repo and you rebase
01:37 chris_n      you can also grab the patch once it posts to the list and apply it to your repo
01:37 chris_n      that depends on gmcharlt's schedule, but this will be in the alpha of 3.2 so not too long from now
01:26 braedon_     how long does it usually take for patches to be applied to the repos, out of interest
01:25 chris_n      np... and I have not yet submitted the patch to do that, but will tonight or tomorrow
01:25 braedon_     thanks
01:25 braedon_     ok
01:24 chris_n      do *not* uncomment the line referred to above which is commented out
01:24 chris_n      and add just after it this line: $query =~ s/(?<=(ti|au|pb|su|an|kw|mc)):/=/g;
01:24 braedon_     yipyip
01:24 chris_n      find this line: #    $query =~ s/:/=/g;
01:24 chris_n      braedon_: in C4/Search.pm
01:20 chris_n      braedon_: no, but the fix is a one-liner... hold on
01:20 braedon_     chris_n: do you know what version first broke the biblio view search links?
01:18 chris_n      wizzyrea must be very mobile atm
01:06 braedon_     yay for PPAs
01:06 braedon_     but it is getting better
01:06 braedon_     sadly it does not work too well
01:06 braedon_     i'm on empathy
01:05 braedon_     :)
01:05 chris_n      sadly it did not work too well
01:04 * chris_n    tried out a vim irc plugin today
01:03 chris_n      yup
00:45 brendan      yeah those two lines have got to be from a bad merge right?
00:31 * chris_n    is glad he was not the only one with those two random lines
00:14 brendan      I saw that in my update and that did the trick for me (something happened during the merge or something)
00:13 brendan      you need to edit the first two lines of your installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl file
00:12 brendan      wizzyrea you figure out your problem?