Time Nick Message
23:52 gmcharlt chris: is the translations branch in a pullable state for 3.2 at the moment?
23:46 chris gmcharlt++
23:46 chris i see more commits going in
23:45 joetho man oh man. goddady gets to make their own rules.
23:45 rhcl yea, that's who I usually use, and agree with you 100%
23:44 chris i use them for my workbuffer.org domain
23:44 chris godaddy is annoying, but cheap
23:44 rhcl can anybody recommend a domain registrar?
23:44 joetho I will fix it now
23:44 joetho whoa
23:44 chris before i have to pay extra
23:43 chris i only have 40gig a month bandwidth
23:43 joetho or wherever.
23:43 joetho I will fix it tomorrow. I am quite sure NEKLS will host that
23:43 chris the will end up probably at docs.koha-community or something
23:43 chris yeah dont be doing that please :-)
23:43 joetho whoa chris I'm glad I checked here, I just changed my dox link to the link you gave me
23:42 gmcharlt we know not the the meaning of "short meeting" :)
23:42 chris bout 1.5 hours ... tis pretty standard
23:42 rhcl I was reading the log just now, looked like it continued for a couple of hours at least
23:41 chris finished hours ago, irc is like this most days
23:41 chris hehe no
23:41 rhcl_inclass gee, is the IRC meeting still going on?
23:35 Jo yep - and it is beautiful
23:33 gmcharlt brendan: thanks
23:33 chris hey Jo, see the new site?
23:29 brendan I like the picture you have for twitter
23:29 brendan gmcharlt++
23:20 chris no worries :-)
23:20 gmcharlt chris: oops, sorry, I redid my retweet to not put words in your mouth
23:17 chris http://www.nzherald.co.nz/web-2-0/news/article.cfm?c_id=363&objectid=10623790&ref=rss
23:12 gmcharlt for those who missed the meeting - http://koha-community.org/ has been set up as a temporary home away from home - domain is held by HLT, hosting of the Wordpress site by wizzyrea
22:46 pmlozeau chris: thanks!
22:44 chris yeah, but thats my homeserver so id rather it doesnt get linked to, but that we put it somewhere else :)
22:44 gmcharlt cool - does it get updated automatically / periodically?
22:43 chris pmlozeau: updated the address
22:43 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/
22:43 chris yeah i have a couple
22:43 brendan I think chris has got it on his site
22:43 brendan gmcharlt there is one
22:41 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
22:41 gmcharlt @later tell nengard is there a rendered HTML view of the Koha 3.2 docbook anywhere? might be something for you, BibLibre and/or brendan to set up quickly
22:30 chris hehe
22:30 * brendan goes back into hiding
22:30 brendan I know bad joke
22:30 brendan just missing the part where it says "bywater has programmed %XX of koha"
22:29 brendan thanks chris
22:29 chris hows that now brendan
22:25 brendan yup I need to update my phone number too -- (888) 900-8944
22:24 pmlozeau perfect
22:24 chris sure can
22:24 pmlozeau can I send it to you by email? I'll double check with Eric Begin
22:23 wizzyrea you can see why we like it
22:23 chris what would you like instead?
22:23 wizzyrea fyi, this is very much like how KLOW works
22:23 chris pmlozeau: you sure can
22:23 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ for using the event calendar function j^.^
22:23 chris thanks braedon
22:23 braedon chris: i shall ask steven
22:23 pmlozeau Could we update our entry on the list? (I work for inLibro)
22:23 chris oh wait, we wanted to do it different
22:23 brendan hmm... can't add a patron category on - categorie.pl?op=add_form (for current 3.01.00.110)
22:23 chris what you do joe is make them ask, then ignore them for months
22:22 joetho ha ha ha ha
22:22 joetho make vendors ASK to be listed
22:22 chilts well done guys :)
22:22 chilts wow, that site is going up pretty fast :)
22:22 chris yup, no judgement implied at all :)
22:22 richard oooh it's alphabetical ;)
22:21 richard thanks chris
22:21 richard cool
22:21 chris richard: wanna drop me an email with what you want it to say, and ill make it so
22:21 chris braedon: ditto you guys
22:21 richard sure do
22:21 chris katipo wanna be on here http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ ?
22:20 richard hey chris
22:20 chris richard: you about?
22:18 pmlozeau hi chris
22:18 chris hi pmlozeau
22:14 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
22:05 braedon yip :)
22:05 wizzyrea better?
22:04 wizzyrea ah ty, will look, tis just copy/paste
22:04 braedon wizzyrea: missing a <p> block around the Library Standards Compliant paragraph of the about page
22:03 wizzyrea we'll see, jo ;)
22:02 Jo wizzyrea: you are soooo clever :)
22:00 chilts message me your email and I'll add you, or chris can do it too
22:00 Jo I have a google account
21:59 chilts so either/or .... andychilton -at- gmail -dot- com
21:59 chilts Jo: yep ... but I can always give you access to update it yourself (if you have a Google Account)?
21:59 chris if you want
21:59 chris you can edit that page yourself Jo
21:58 Jo I have updates for the accommodation which I'd like to email you.
21:57 Jo chilts: are you doing the kohacon 2010 website?
21:57 schuster I'll stop mooing now.
21:57 schuster wizzyrea is a wizz... looking good...
21:46 * wizzyrea is not a plone fan
21:46 chris plone is a bit stink
21:46 chilts the old site is better than the Plone one :)
21:45 wizzyrea that is up to you
21:45 brendan I could switch one of my demo's to 3.0.5 for you if you want it
21:45 chris if there is anythign there you want
21:45 wizzyrea ohhh good call
21:45 chris http://old.koha.org/ is the old site, still up
21:44 chris :)
21:44 wizzyrea i r a thief
21:44 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/about/
21:44 chris playing with translations
21:44 chris i have one but i break it daily
21:44 brendan I could get one up
21:44 brendan no - just HEAD
21:43 chris do you guys have a 3.0.5 demo running?
21:43 brendan yes
21:43 chris brendan: got a sec?
21:33 cait time to sleep here :)
21:33 owen quitting_time++ # for being now
21:33 wizzyrea bah, no nengard
21:32 chris_n bbl
21:32 cait imp++ # for being a nice person ;)
21:27 magnus good night, all - can't wait to see what the site will look like in the morning ;-)
21:27 owen I wonder if we should not be allowing patrons to delete suggestions which have been accepted?
21:25 owen chris, you can spread rumors about a violent outburst, many tears shed all around.
21:25 owen Now everyone will wonder what the negative karma was for
21:25 magnus hehe, someone had to do it... ;-)
21:25 chris hehe
21:25 wizzyrea there, just because
21:25 wizzyrea chris--
21:25 wizzyrea chris__
21:25 chilts slapped down :)
21:24 chilts yeah, saw that
21:24 chilts lol
21:24 munin chris: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:24 chris chris--
21:24 chris including me slandering an entire nation
21:24 chilts just got excited there
21:24 chilts sorry
21:24 chilts righto ... :)
21:24 owen chilts: Read the meeting log for all the gory details
21:24 chilts ah, ok
21:24 chris chilts: its more a replacement partial site for www.koha.org
21:24 chilts wizzyrea++
21:24 imp wizzyrea++
21:24 chilts :)
21:24 wizzyrea thks :)
21:24 * chilts holds back
21:24 wizzyrea :)
21:24 wizzyrea still setting it up
21:24 wizzyrea not quite yet
21:23 chilts can we go and signup a new blog?
21:23 magnus wizzyrea++
21:22 chris wizzyrea++
21:22 * chilts still needs to read the meeting logs this morning
21:22 chilts sweet! :)
21:22 magnus_away it works! http://koha-community.org/
21:09 braedon i'l have a read through on my lunch break. (two hours or so:( )
21:08 Ropuch Looking through translation atm ;>
21:08 braedon Ropuch: ...oh. To google translate!
21:07 chris_n ahh... cool
21:07 owen chris_n: I just submitted a patch for it today
21:06 Ropuch But it's in polish
21:06 Ropuch braedon: http://bagno.be/koha/instalacja.html
21:06 chris_n owen: is the left menu in csv-profiles.pl messed up in your development install?
21:05 braedon link?
21:05 braedon haha
21:03 Ropuch I plan to do some tutorials with "My mom can do this" certificate
21:03 Ropuch Now I;'m working on part 1 - "Installing Ubuntu on VirtualBox for my mom"
21:02 chris :-)
21:01 * Ropuch has just finished writing 'Installing Koha for my mom' ;>
21:00 imp same here :D
20:59 Ropuch hehe
20:59 cait Ropuch: tell me if you find one :)
20:58 gmcharlt heh
20:58 owen Me too Ropuch
20:57 Ropuch gmcharlt: I wish some airlines would beg me for allowe them to take me to NZ ;>
20:57 * owen had a suggestions.managedon column instead of suggestions.manageddate too
20:54 schuster Wow wonder how that happened!
20:54 gmcharlt Jo: not surprising - for the upcoming Evergreen conference, the committee practically had hotels begging to host it
20:54 munin schuster: Karma for "schuster" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12.
20:54 schuster @karma schuster
20:54 cait chris probably deserves more... I forget about the karma thing most of the times when he helps me with something
20:54 Jo wow - playing hardball. with hotels is resulting iun some quite good accom discounts for KohaCon 2010
20:53 Vickiteal I agree with my Karma at 2 and Chris at 103. I'm grateful for the 2.
20:53 Vickiteal I stepped away from desk for a few minutes and there is all this stuff about mooing and karma. You guys are funny.
20:53 brendan joetho++
20:50 cait started koha in my free time mostly - so it was cait , kf is my work self
20:50 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "joetho" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:50 wizzyrea @karma joetho
20:50 wizzyrea joetho++ for being awesome
20:50 munin joetho: joetho has neutral karma.
20:50 wizzyrea (and that sounds like a very existential statement)
20:50 joetho @karma joetho
20:50 wizzyrea I'm always getting confused
20:50 wizzyrea def
20:50 cait ok, I need to decide who I am
20:50 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "cait" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
20:50 wizzyrea @karma cait
20:50 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "kf" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
20:50 wizzyrea @karma kf
20:50 munin cait: cait kf has neutral karma.
20:50 cait @karma cait kf
20:50 chris probably deserve a -- for my crack about the US today tho
20:50 wizzyrea because you're awesome like that
20:49 munin joetho: Karma for "vickiteal" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
20:49 joetho @karma vickiteal
20:49 munin jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16.
20:49 jwagner @karma jwagner
20:49 brendan nice nothing negative about chris
20:49 munin brendan: Karma for "chris" has been increased 103 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 103.
20:49 brendan @karma chris
20:49 wizzyrea heh, we'll see soon enough >.>
20:49 cait :)
20:49 chris she deserves it
20:49 wizzyrea now that is just scary
20:48 munin joetho: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 47 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 47.
20:48 joetho @karma wizzyrea
20:44 hdl_laptop replace suggestioncreateddate by suggesteddate
20:44 hdl_laptop owen: in opac/opac-suggestion.pl
20:44 hdl_laptop owen: seen the bug
20:44 Ropuch ;>
20:44 wizzyrea pff, that is ;)
20:43 wizzyrea could have been even faster but you wanted MU. PF.
20:43 chris_n wizzyrea++ # nice :-)
20:43 wizzyrea way early, but koha-community.mykansaslibrary.org (working on the DNS now)
20:41 hdl_laptop hi indradg
20:40 * owen still doesn't see data in suggesteddate after adding a new suggestion
20:39 owen hdl_laptop: Database updates seem to be a weak point in the upgrade process. I must have skipped something by mistake.
20:38 hdl_laptop owen: ancient code was with suggestedon and not suggesteddate, I thought I had fixed any occurence of suggestedon.
20:38 cait why does schuster moo?
20:37 schuster schuster still mooing... people in the office looking at him funny...
20:36 * owen wonders how he got into this predicament
20:36 owen Well, I'm glad I asked :)
20:35 hdl_laptop owen should be suggesteddate
20:35 collum owen: suggestedon is not a column in my table. I have a date which is defined by a timestamp.
20:32 owen Can someone "select suggestedon from suggestions" and tell me if they're getting an dates? Looks to me like suggestion dates aren't stored
20:31 braedon chris_n: now that the meeting is over, apologies for not getting back to you yesterday. I will give the patch a try today, and see what happens
20:31 Jo sorry - was on phone
20:30 schuster Now if I could only get that stuff to print... Guess I'll have to give up until I can get to a higher release.
20:29 * owen gives schuster a "Moo!" in the meantime
20:28 jwagner I thought the meeting next week was on Wednesday. It's Tuesday?
20:28 wizzyrea they wanted MU, it takes a little longer ;)
20:28 schuster wizzyrea - I'm waiting to be wowed... ;)
20:27 owen Thanks chris_n
20:27 gmcharlt chris_n: you're right, it's 11:00 UTC+0
20:26 tajoli for wiki: Tuesday, 09 February 2010 at 11:00 UTC+0
20:25 chris_n gmcharlt: ?
20:25 chris_n 1100 UTC according to wiki
20:25 wizzyrea ty slef
20:25 slef wizzyrea: I'll msg it you
20:25 chris_n time is wrong maybe?
20:25 gmcharlt owen: yes
20:25 owen Is that correct?
20:25 brendan awesomeness@hlt
20:25 wizzyrea lol I can't find it >.<
20:24 wizzyrea jo: what's your email
20:24 slef damn, predictability
20:24 steven_tw hi chris
20:24 chris_n ;-)
20:24 * chris_n knew that was coming as soon as he hit <enter>
20:24 * slef runs
20:24 slef chris_n: USERS AND DEVELOPERS... I keep telling everyone ;-)
20:24 chris_n or maybe I should say development related
20:24 slef davi: CH meetings are about gathering materials with HLT
20:24 davi ok, thanks
20:23 chris_n the general is a developer meeting in reality
20:23 slef davi: that will be community handover.
20:23 chris_n community
20:23 davi What is the difference?
20:23 chris hiya steven_tw :)
20:23 davi Will be it a communitee meeting or and 'general' one?
20:23 slef Thanks all for participating and all the ideas shared freely.
20:22 slef Jo: yes. Do you need them before 25 Feb?
20:22 Jo thanks everyone
20:21 slef OK, meeting adjourned until 19:00 Tuesday 2 March 2010 and congratulations to collum sneaking on the attendee list!
20:21 gmcharlt +1
20:21 Jo someone will post notes for this meeting?
20:21 magnus +1
20:21 slef Jo: yes
20:21 collum ++
20:21 Jo same time?
20:21 sekjal +1
20:21 thd ++
20:21 tajoli +1
20:20 imp +1
20:20 hdl_laptop +1 to March,2
20:20 davi 19:00 ++
20:20 chris_n +1
20:20 slef We have Tue 2 March suggested. 19:00?
20:20 davi +1
20:20 nengard +!
20:20 gmcharlt +1 to March 2
20:20 slef 6. Agree time of next meeting.
20:20 collum Oh. Is this still the meeting. - Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library :)
20:19 rosa yes I'm happy to help with stuff I know about
20:19 chris_n March 2?
20:19 Vickiteal Hah, hah schuster.
20:19 slef (except the date of next meeting?)
20:19 thd Rosalie++
20:19 schuster Vickiteal is good with political goo and saying the right thing.
20:19 Jo how about Rosalie (who has probably sloped off into the garden)
20:19 slef OK, is there anything else left to decide right now?
20:18 Jo yippi!
20:18 Jo Rosalie is good at wordsmithing
20:18 Vickiteal Not that it matters, but just for the record I'm starting to warm up to this idea.
20:18 Jo Rosalie
20:18 wizzyrea jo: yep, sec
20:18 imp slef: ok, technical stuff later :)
20:17 Jo wizzyrea: can you flick me an email please
20:17 davi Sharon++
20:17 * wizzyrea is going to use wpmu, but it will take a few minutes longer, and require some DNS configuration
20:17 davi or we want to track downloads?
20:17 Sharon who is best at wordsmithing? The tone of the explanation for the creation of this site will be very important, so as not to piss off anyone
20:17 slef imp: let's walk for the alpha/beta, run for the release?
20:16 davi bittorrent advised too
20:16 imp slef: can we make a continent based round robin?
20:16 chris sounds good to me
20:16 davi checked via GPGsign
20:16 wizzyrea nengard fair enough
20:16 davi yep
20:16 slef ok, so we'll let everyone mirror, link them all and put verification instructions on the download page?
20:15 thd I thought so but was not certain it happened that way
20:15 Jo I did.
20:15 gmcharlt at least, not on git.koha.org directly - we no longer have shell access
20:15 chris_n thd: Jo purchased it
20:14 slef hdl_laptop: no, but better than no info.
20:14 nengard wizzyrea - temp yes - but i see it as us moving it to koha.org when we have that domain
20:14 gmcharlt slef: alas, no
20:14 slef magnus: on a related note, can gmcharlt or hdl_laptop run git pack on git.koha.org to make a tarball there?
20:14 thd please also ensure that domain control is transferred to HLT
20:14 hdl_laptop slef: would not be accurate since download.koha.org competed with that
20:14 wizzyrea yes, but this is temp, nengard, remember ;)
20:14 nengard so exciting
20:14 nengard with MU we can easily create sites with subdomains - like docs.koha-community.org etc
20:14 wizzyrea brb, afk one min
20:13 slef can hdl_laptop tell us any download stats for the release hosted on koha-fr.org?
20:13 wizzyrea whoever bought it and wants to put in the server info PM me plz
20:13 magnus could we encourage people to get the alpha from git, to ease load on download servers?
20:13 nengard awesome
20:13 nengard hehe
20:13 wizzyrea I"m already to the point of configuring the DNS so...
20:13 wizzyrea instead of 5
20:12 wizzyrea longer = 15 minutes :P
20:12 slef wizzyrea: I have a wordpress mu git tree which I could upload to the host
20:12 wizzyrea nengard: that would take longer but I'm open to that
20:12 slef imp: we don't have access to downloads.koha.org stats to know, I think.
20:11 slef gmcharlt: ok, thanks. Git does this stuff for me automatically now.
20:11 hdl_laptop and there are md5summ also
20:11 imp some stats around, how many downloads / traffic it causes per month?
20:11 hdl_laptop releases are gpg signed
20:11 gmcharlt slef: releases are supposed to be signed with checksums
20:11 nengard wizzyrea - may I recommend wordpressmu ... then we can have a blog for the newsletter and one for koha news and one for ... etc etc etc
20:11 cait I have to ask about it
20:11 slef Are releases GPG-signed? And there should be an md5sum on the www download page.
20:11 slef ok, mirrorers? I think software.coop has some problem with mirroring just now, but biblibre is in the same country as us.
20:10 gmcharlt I think anybody who wants to run a mirror and who can do so should be allowed to
20:10 richard wordpress would be nice and quick
20:10 chris_n maybe those willing to host mirrors should contact wizzyrea directly?
20:10 nengard wordpress++
20:10 Jo a mirror on each continent would be good
20:10 gmcharlt wordpress++
20:10 cait wordpress++
20:10 wizzyrea yes
20:10 gmcharlt I think the main thing left is to organize download mirrors
20:10 slef but everyone who wants to help, contact wizzyrea!
20:10 cait wizzyrea++
20:10 Jo slef +1
20:10 wizzyrea I can do wp super ez
20:09 slef wizzyrea: if you're using something I know (like wordpress, django, static html, or whatever), I'll do my damnedest to help, now I've opened my mouth.
20:09 Jo so we have a domain, a partial wwebsite going up, what else?
20:09 schuster (a Texas favorite...:))
20:09 wizzyrea I can do that super fast, and you all are wizards so if I need help you know who I'll be asking
20:09 schuster wordpress++
20:09 schuster wizzyrea++ - gmcharlt - aplpha, beta, final!
20:09 owen slef++ # for offering too
20:09 imp wizzyrea++
20:09 magnus wizzyrea++
20:09 chris wordpress would work fine, with the widgets and stuff
20:09 Ropuch wizzyrea++
20:09 sekjal wizzyrea++
20:09 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
20:09 hdl_laptop wizzyrea++
20:09 Jo (slef: that was a hasty retreat :)
20:09 chris_n wordpress wizard
20:08 thd wizzyrea++
20:08 Jo wizzyrea+
20:08 gmcharlt I am willing to help organize as well, but my priority is going to be getting the alpha out
20:08 owen wizzyrea++
20:08 * slef withdraws, quickly
20:08 chris_n wizzyrea++
20:08 * wizzyrea ducks
20:08 slef wizzyrea!
20:08 wizzyrea <- is willing
20:08 slef OK, I volunteer, but davi and mjkaye may flame me for that because I also have 1001 tasks backed up.
20:08 Jo does anyone want to volunteer to organise this
20:08 chris yeah i have about a trillion things to do
20:08 Ropuch damn ;>
20:08 Ropuch Jo__
20:08 Ropuch Jp++
20:08 Jo not Chris or me (we are trying to go live with 3.)
20:08 davi After having it, announce it
20:08 thd Jo++
20:08 magnus Jo++
20:07 Jo and then we replace it over the next few weeks
20:07 slef ok, anyone else?
20:07 Jo I quite like the idea of having a temp site up in half an hour using kea
20:07 owen Sorry folks, it's not a good time for me to take that job :(
20:06 chris_n then offers could be vetted by that person
20:06 slef yes, who wants to organise... I saw someone try to put owen's hand up
20:06 davi bittorrent++
20:06 chris_n why don't we appoint someone to head this up?
20:06 davi ack thd
20:06 * braedon chimes in that he has some bandwidth going to waste if it is needed
20:06 hdl_laptop we could host mirrors here at biblibre
20:06 * wizzyrea volunteers to mirror
20:06 slef can we organise a bittorrent to make downloads lighter on the hoster?
20:06 Jo mirrors +1
20:06 gmcharlt (also, mirrors in east asia, europe, and north america would be desirable anyway)
20:06 thd davi: The bad publicity of trying to stop the community would be a strong caution against any unfortunate action
20:05 chris_n gmcharlt took my words :-)
20:05 cait cant we make something like differnt mirrors for download?
20:05 khall why not use sourceforge for hosting downloads?
20:05 Jo we happy to but can't carry a financial burden
20:05 wizzyrea We are in EC2 with our server
20:05 imp erm, afaik, it's ok to use a trademark, as long as you are using it /right/. so you can use cola-critic, if write critical stuff on it, but not just for "fun"
20:05 gmcharlt so in particular, if anybody is willing to participate by running mirrors of the downlaods, that might be great
20:05 davi ack thd. I thought only postfix would be a problem, not prefix
20:05 slef five offers of hosting, three offers of platforms
20:05 wizzyrea bandwidth is always a cost
20:05 Jo I'm open to software.coop
20:05 gmcharlt main thing that anybody offering to host shoudl keep in mind that with release of 3.2 alpha and 3.0.6, there will be a fair amount of bulk download traffic
20:05 thd davi: koha anything or anything koha could be an issue but I do not think that it is a real problem at the present time
20:04 Jo Chris: is there a cost we will have to carry?
20:04 slef ok, so we have two suggestions so far... I'll throw in my own suggestion of hosting with software.coop and/or using django-blocks.
20:04 gmcharlt agreed
20:04 chris_n Jo: makes sense
20:04 Jo impartial / non-inflammatory etc
20:04 wizzyrea if you have the server space and can, HLT would be best imo
20:04 nengard hlt makes sense to me
20:04 Jo should hlt host it
20:04 chris i wasnt suggesting we use kea, we can just trigger it somewhere and have a full site in 15 mins
20:04 davi Jo, thd, I think koha-community.org would clash with trademark, not not libKoha,org What do you think thd?
20:04 chris_n brendan++
20:04 chris no
20:03 wizzyrea NEKLS could host it
20:03 slef (is Kea FOSS?)
20:03 thd slef: I was merely referring to expedience
20:03 nengard why not throw wordpress on a server and put up the pages necessary then we can easily give everyone rights to edit things
20:03 nengard my problem is that the old site is a static html site
20:03 hdl_laptop Jo++
20:03 slef thd: personally, it would be nice not to have to use Kea, but it is up to those doing the work IMO.
20:03 magnus Jo++
20:03 chris the old site still exists in kea
20:03 owen Jo++
20:03 Jo koha-community.org
20:03 chris_n Jo++
20:03 slef we have one offer of hosting
20:03 thd can we not just easily use or adapt the old pre-Plone website?
20:03 Jo all done.
20:03 davi For example, we have to ask to user GNU Herds, but not to use Herds of GNUs
20:03 brendan we can host it too
20:02 * chris_n nominates owen
20:02 nengard i have room on my server for another site
20:02 davi so libKoha would be ok
20:02 wizzyrea and who wants to hoste it
20:02 davi thd, As I understand tradermarsk, prefix *koha is allowed, but not koha* postfix
20:02 slef ok, so we have a domain - who wants to organise the development?
20:01 richard schuster, liblime have never bought or have any financial interest in katipo
20:01 thd slef: yes but not as safe as *koha*.fr
20:01 slef thd: are there particular rules for .org which put it at risk?
20:01 chris ll never bought katipo
20:01 * richard tunes in
20:01 chris schuster: pretty much dont believe anything you read on the LL website
20:00 slef thd: sorry, descriptive use.
20:00 chris hell no
20:00 chris schuster: what????
20:00 slef thd: as long as we do not sell off the back of it, it is honest use
20:00 davi thd, ah, I see
20:00 schuster chris - that's owned by LL too technically isn't it?
20:00 chris_n have what?
20:00 Jo ok - I have it
20:00 owen Jo, are you looking now at freeparking.co.nz?
20:00 wizzyrea Ack
19:59 slef owen: got it?
19:59 thd davi: *koha*.org would always be at risk as long as the community does not hold the trademark .
19:59 * owen stops clicking
19:59 chris so you can grab it there
19:59 chris they are better than domainz too
19:59 chris jo: freeparking.co.nz has it available
19:59 Jo trust until people prove to be untrustworthy
19:59 wizzyrea owen++
19:59 chris schuster: why?
19:59 owen Yes
19:58 chris_n owen: doing it?
19:58 schuster I'm actually shocked that the IRC and discussion lists are still running with Katipo personally...
19:58 davi thd, noted, but it would not clash with libKoha.org
19:58 Jo for us
19:58 Jo Owen: can you buy it please
19:58 thd davi: LibLime hold the US trademark at the moment
19:57 chris_n says it is
19:57 gmcharlt ok, if somebody just bought it for the benefit of HLT, please speak up NOW
19:57 owen It says available to me
19:57 chris_n http://www.whois.net/whois/koha-community.org
19:57 Jo i can grab .net
19:57 imp slef: right, same here
19:57 slef
19:57 slef NOT FOUND
19:57 slef ; whois koha-community.org
19:57 davi Who have it?
19:57 thd I do not think that is a present concern but we should not forget about that risk long term
19:57 slef heh
19:57 Jo koha-community.org is not available
19:57 Jo http://www.domainz.net.nz/purchasewizard/SearchPage.aspx?DomainNameSearch=koha-community.org
19:56 thd Remember that a .org domain could always be at risk of being captured by the US trademark holder
19:56 slef go for it
19:56 slef ok, I'm a minority of 1.
19:56 davi koha-community.org looks better
19:56 magnus koha-community.org
19:56 wizzyrea thd: you had an issue?
19:56 sekjal koha-community.org
19:56 brendan koha-community.org
19:56 schuster koha-community.org
19:56 Ropuch koha-community.org
19:56 chris to koha-community.org
19:56 collum koha-community.org
19:56 rosa koha-community.org
19:56 hdl_laptop koha-community.org
19:56 wizzyrea koha-community.org
19:56 Sharon koha-community.org
19:56 chris +1
19:56 slef libkoha.org
19:56 Jo koha-community.org
19:56 imp koha-community.org
19:56 chris_n koha-community.org
19:56 * owen votes koha-community.org
19:56 gmcharlt koha-community.org
19:55 cait koha-community.org
19:55 slef ok, votes! koha-community.org, libkoha.org or kohalms.org
19:55 thd I think that we should consider one issue first
19:55 Jo I hate kohalms
19:55 hdl_laptop kohaworld.org
19:55 cait +1
19:55 nengard kohalms.org
19:55 Sharon kohalms sounds like 'alms for the poor'
19:55 imp +1
19:55 wizzyrea +1
19:55 davi gmcharlt++
19:55 Jo +1
19:55 Ropuch gmcharlt++
19:55 chris_n seconded
19:55 gmcharlt I move that we vote between koha-community.org, libkoha.org, and kohalms.org
19:55 cait magnus: lol
19:55 tirabo kohasite.org is available
19:54 schuster The teacher in Jo comes out I see...
19:54 slef 3 options... any other good ones?
19:54 slef davi: already wrote that...
19:54 wizzyrea thd :D
19:54 thd wizzyrea: :)
19:54 imp magnus: :D
19:54 Jo (sit down Magnus)
19:54 davi libKoha.org
19:54 magnus one koha to rule them all!
19:54 slef koha-community.org, libkoha.org, kohalms.org and what else? We're keen on being in .org I think.
19:54 rosa koha-community.org because it starts with koha (important) and is straightforward
19:54 Sharon onetruekoha.org
19:54 gmcharlt libkoha.org
19:54 wizzyrea well you can't beat koha.org for that
19:54 davi magnus, We can add a subtible at libkoha.org with "Community" word
19:53 thd wizzyrea: think about length and the difficulty of typing accurately also
19:53 gmcharlt kohalms.org
19:53 * owen puts away his wallet
19:53 gmcharlt Jo: koha-community.org is one
19:53 Ropuch ;>
19:53 slef yes, please don't all go buying domain names for HLT
19:53 Jo can someone please list the serious contenders for a domain name
19:53 magnus i think koha-community.org or some varient thereof would emphasise nicely the fact that this is the community taking control
19:53 gmcharlt *only one Koha
19:53 Jo then i;ll buy to save transferring it
19:53 owen I prefer koha-community.org because I think "community koha" is a derogatory term invented by LibLime
19:53 gmcharlt actually, I would prefer that it not be communitykoha.org - there is one one Koha
19:53 Jo lets settle on the name now.
19:52 davi hdl_laptop, Do you want I buy libKoha.org now? Else who would buy it?
19:52 wizzyrea communitykoha.org is available
19:52 davi Jo; Do you want I buy libKoha.org now? Else who would buy it?
19:52 slef anyway, I'm sure that one sucks... do we have a clear domain leader yet?
19:52 hdl_laptop davi: it is a tough idea
19:52 thd whatever domain we choose we could have other good choices point at the one being used
19:52 chris_n lol
19:52 Sharon communitykoha.org
19:52 chris heh
19:52 slef another silly idea: kohaC4.org
19:51 Jo davi: i likke it
19:51 davi :)
19:51 rosa full
19:51 slef davi: Machiavelli.
19:51 davi libKoha.org would add confusion to lib-koha for PTFS, and so would be good for us
19:51 wizzyrea ;)
19:51 wizzyrea no no we like it when you talk Jo
19:51 cait full
19:51 thd partial for now
19:51 slef The partials have it?
19:51 Jo ok - i'll lie down now an dbe quiet
19:51 Jo lol
19:51 brendan partial - downloads and community information
19:51 magnus partial
19:51 schuster partial
19:51 wizzyrea partial
19:51 collum partial
19:51 hdl_laptop partial
19:51 imp partial
19:51 chris_n partial
19:51 owen partial
19:50 gmcharlt partial
19:50 sekjal partial
19:50 Sharon I think partial leaves the door open to getting koha.org back
19:50 nengard full
19:50 gmcharlt LMS works for USians too, although it's not as common
19:50 Jo full
19:50 nengard i'm had US libraries call it a LMS
19:50 davi full
19:50 slef partial IMO
19:50 Jo and also settle on a domian name
19:50 slef ok, votes! partial or full?
19:50 slef kohaLMS.org is also free, but maybe that is UKish
19:50 Jo can we vote on whether a partial or full website please
19:49 slef owen: we can register it for them if not. These are details.
19:49 cait Jo++
19:49 Jo have my creditcard in hand :)
19:49 davi I like libKoha,org It is free yet
19:49 Jo yes.
19:49 owen Is HLT in a position right now to register a domain?
19:49 gmcharlt chris: is there a suitable maori expression for "Koha For All" or the like that might make a suitable domain?
19:49 Jo my preference is a near full subsitute website
19:49 Sharon +1
19:49 slef So, this is my understanding: a limited website with a clear explanation of why it exists, on a domain with HLT as the registrant and admin contact?
19:48 thd As Vickiteal stated, PTFS is concentrating attention on other issues
19:48 wizzyrea and when we know for sure, we can work out the logistics of it then
19:48 davi They are free
19:48 wizzyrea chris: then we are doing the right thing getting a new domain
19:48 davi What about get lib-koha.org and or libKoha.org ?
19:48 owen If I were PTFS I'd rather transfer ownership of the domain than deal with the practicalities of granting outsiders access.
19:48 chris but i dont think that without a promise, we can delay even longer
19:48 slef Jo: "the substitue domain be held by or transferred to HLT"
19:48 Jo gmcharlt: yes. HLT will absolutely accept it. Committed to supporting the kopha community
19:48 wizzyrea chris: i'm not sure that it has been decided by them :(
19:47 chris then none of this has to happen
19:47 chris so if we could get PTFS to say "After the deal is concluded we will restore access rights to the community to the www.koha.org website"
19:47 Jo can someone please clarify exactly what is it we are all in agreement to :)
19:47 gmcharlt Jo: will HLT accept it - particular given that this is something that I think that we'll want to set up quickly?
19:47 chris_n would HLT handle the setup of the new site?
19:47 davi :P
19:47 thd gmcharlt: that is essential
19:47 imp +1
19:47 slef davi: yes, PTFS. Use whois to check them.
19:47 owen +1
19:47 tajoli +1
19:47 chris_n gmcharlt++
19:46 slef gmcharlt++
19:46 wizzyrea +1
19:46 Sharon as long as we're transparent with the intent of the new site, I see no problem
19:46 thd chris: I agree
19:46 wizzyrea +!
19:46 davi Is KohaLib.org taken?
19:46 gmcharlt I move that however the substitue domain is acquired, that it be held or transferred to HLT
19:46 thd chris_n++
19:46 imp i would try to avoid using domainnames just differing by a "-" in the middle
19:46 chris as long as they are silent, they are in effect dangling a sword over us
19:46 Jo and that it is ideally a temporary measure until we get koha.org back
19:46 thd slef: thank you, I like that answer
19:46 chris problem solved
19:46 wizzyrea I know of at least 4 customers of LL that have told PTFS that they want the assets transferred back to the community
19:46 chris if PTFS said, as soon as the deal is concluded, you can edit the website again
19:45 chris_n thd: a clear explanation on the main page should do to defuse concern
19:45 imp jo++
19:45 Jo thank you Vicki
19:45 slef thd: if they do, then that would speak volumes.
19:45 Vickiteal PTFS is not holding you ransom. It is LL.
19:45 slef thd: I think as long as we're clear that we're putting a minimal site live because there is stale info on a site we have no access too, they shouldn't see it as agression.
19:45 wizzyrea davi: there was a big kerfuffle about it
19:45 Jo lets get on with a new site, host oit on a new domian and shift it back when'if we can
19:45 thd chris_n: I would not hesitate except for the prospect of a change of control
19:45 davi ah
19:45 imp davi: Created On:31-Mar-2009 03:07:26 UTC
19:44 Jo we don't ned to be held to ransom here by PTFS.
19:44 davi here
19:44 davi I proposed it some week ago?
19:44 davi imp: When they got it? !
19:44 Jo having info spread over a number of sites isn't especially organised or 'together'
19:44 Sharon I agree with Jo
19:44 chris_n thd: he who hesitates is lost....
19:44 davi :P
19:44 imp davi: koha-lib.org belongs to ptfs
19:44 davi kohaLib.org
19:44 Jo i think we need to show that the koha community is a 'together' thing who knows what its doing.
19:44 chris slef: i just want a place that has accurate information about the latest version
19:44 slef kohaHQ.org?
19:44 thd I worry that actually making a new website live might be interpreted as a message of aggression by PTFS when they have not had an opportunity to respond from a position of control
19:43 davi koha-community.org also good
19:43 cait Jo++
19:43 slef Thinking back, one problem with koha-community.org is will people look there for downloads and vendors, or only for support/chat?
19:43 sekjal alright, sounds good
19:43 davi koha-lib.org
19:43 wizzyrea limited-purpose_website++
19:43 Jo then shift it over to the koha.org if / when we get the domain back
19:43 chris_n we install a redirect when/if we get the main domain back
19:43 chris limited purpose for now
19:43 chris ditto
19:43 Jo so why not get the new site up and ruinning on whatever new domian we settle on
19:43 gmcharlt I favor slef's suggestion of a limited-purpose website for now
19:42 nengard okay
19:42 Jo we don't have to rebrand as such, buyt we will need a whole new website regardless
19:42 slef and so on
19:42 chris_n sekjal: this would not be rebranding atm
19:42 slef we put link it from the listinfo pages
19:42 wizzyrea not to mention that a homepage that explains what's going on and what has happened could be an effective leverage tool :P
19:42 slef nengard: for example, we all link it from our library mailing list sigs, which will appear on lists.koha.org
19:42 gmcharlt we can rely on marketing to educate Google
19:42 sekjal I'm inclined to be patient while PTFS figures things out. We of course request whatever action is possible, but moving to rebrand is a lot of work to undertake if we're just going to get koha.org back again later.
19:42 hdl_laptop cait++
19:42 slef nengard: we market it. koha.org is not actively marketed at the moment, as far as I understand it.
19:42 gmcharlt nengard: I think a homepage to explain what's going on would suffice
19:42 chris_n slef++
19:42 collum slef++
19:42 schuster slef++
19:41 thd slef: I understand that we could easily reproduce the old pre-plone website
19:41 cait will we keep the koha.org website when we get the domain or will we need a new site anyway?
19:41 Ropuch slef++
19:41 nengard okay - tell me if i'm going off track - but if we don't do the whole site how the heck do we let people who know nohtng about koha koha that there is a diff site for downloads and support?
19:41 indradg slef: ++
19:41 magnus slef++
19:41 slef I think we should keep it simple for now: download, links, manual. What do others think?
19:40 wizzyrea the things we can't fiddle with
19:40 Sharon I think be hopeful and work on the assumption that koha.org will come back to us eventually
19:40 nengard in my opinion
19:40 wizzyrea I think you probably want the download, and the pay for support
19:40 gmcharlt or wait until we know the final disposition of the LL/PTFS sale
19:40 nengard gmcharlt i htink that's what we have to do - an entire site - there is way too much out of date and unreliable info
19:40 gmcharlt just pieces of it (e.g., download)
19:40 thd gmcharlt++
19:40 imp owen: i know it's free ;)
19:40 Sharon koha-community.org+
19:40 gmcharlt do we set up a whole alternative website now?
19:40 slef gmcharlt: which is?
19:40 wizzyrea koha-community.org++
19:40 Jo +1
19:40 gmcharlt there a lot of potential domains containing the word koha that we could - I suggest we go back to the bigger question
19:40 nengard me too
19:40 chris yeah .org would be my preference
19:40 wizzyrea i do like koha-community.org
19:39 wizzyrea ooh, nengard also with a good one
19:39 owen koha-community.org too imp
19:39 nengard kohails.net is
19:39 nengard chris_n koha.net is not avail
19:39 tajoli koha.net is used
19:39 imp owen: why .com and not .org?
19:39 slef owen: kohaworld.com too
19:39 wizzyrea owen
19:39 wizzyrea ooh, I like that
19:39 owen koha-community.com seems to be available
19:39 slef blimey... I must have typod it earlier
19:38 chris heh
19:38 slef chris_n: is that available?
19:38 indradg Jo++
19:38 * wizzyrea roars with bestial vigor
19:38 chris_n koha.net?
19:38 Jo (it sounds like a call to arms thouggh ... a Braveheart thing)
19:38 Jo i like freekoha too
19:38 gmcharlt we could keep it limited for now, perhaps do koha-download.org to substitute for download.koha.org
19:38 nengard no one owns it
19:38 slef koha.something or kohaSomething.gtld would be better
19:38 nengard freekoha is avail
19:38 Jo its an interim name
19:38 chris yeah im not super partial to it either
19:37 cait i have koha-support.de - not used
19:37 slef I hate openkoha.
19:37 thd I expect that we would not have long to wait for the deal to be completed
19:37 imp chris: sounds fine
19:37 magnus openkoha.org is on friendly hands
19:37 Jo i like openkoha
19:37 slef koha-fr.org is good but probably should remain in French?
19:37 chris thomas brevik has openkoha
19:37 wizzyrea last friday
19:37 wizzyrea we just got word that it will be an extra 2 weeks
19:37 slef Anyone here got a nice koha domain already, or shall we go searching/buying?
19:37 hdl_laptop koha-fr.org is for kohala
19:37 thd The announcement had been that the deal would be completed by the beginning of February
19:37 Jo absolutely agree
19:36 Jo wizzyrea: we can handle that
19:36 nengard Jo nothing - i think we should ask - but we need an alternative option as well
19:36 wizzyrea more disappointment
19:36 slef PTFS has koha-ils.org still
19:36 thd We should at least wait until PTFS has effective control when the deal is completed
19:36 Jo what do we lose by asking ?
19:36 slef Who has what nice koha domain?
19:36 Jo and we need a way to function effectively
19:36 chris_n PTFS *could* exercise a deal of force on LL to give us access, however
19:36 slef So we've asked LL for access before and not got it.
19:36 nengard Okay - so I think we need to set up a home for an up to date koha site
19:36 Jo yep. and the koha community is bigger than PTFS
19:36 nengard chris - HEY! Don't blame the whole country!!
19:35 Vickiteal All I'm saying is PTFS has no control over the web site and they have other things they are worrying about now.
19:35 Jo yep.
19:35 nengard trying ot come up with a way to fix things
19:35 chris seriously, the US is causing a big mess for the rest of the world, and its getting old
19:35 nengard we're problem solving
19:35 nengard Vickiteal - i think that we're asking for something necessary - not degrading the conversation
19:35 thd slef: you can get access if access is granted or control is transferred
19:35 chris my patience with this situation is rapidly wearing thin
19:35 Jo I'd say they would probably accept it as an interim soluition
19:35 chris ppl are installing old versions of software because thats what the website points to
19:35 Vickiteal This conversation is rapidly degrading.
19:35 nengard slef it's not a law thing - it's a who owns the server thing
19:34 gmcharlt slef: it would boil down to LL alone agreeing, until they are bought
19:34 Jo it would forestall a rename / rebrand / relaunch
19:34 slef imp: too long, contains a -
19:34 slef Vickiteal: you may know US law more than most of us. If both PTFS and LL agree, can't we get access?
19:34 chris this is freaking retarded
19:34 Jo my thoughts exactly
19:34 imp .oO(whois koha-community.org -> not found)
19:34 chris_n Jo++
19:34 chris i mean cmon
19:34 chris Vickiteal: they surely have some influence, im sure they could say, joshua stop being a dick
19:34 tajoli As CILEA we have www.koha.it
19:34 Jo well lets ask LL and PTFS jointly
19:34 imp how about a (second) domain, which can be used later for user based stuff (manual, ...) and maybe use it for everything / as second domain for specific stuff if we get the othre one back?
19:34 wizzyrea 2nd vickiteal
19:34 hdl_laptop Jo++
19:34 sekjal could we make it a point to update Wikipedia to the most correct info?
19:33 slef well, most of the wiki
19:33 Vickiteal PTFS does not own LL yet. They cannot give you access to the web site.
19:33 sekjal just did a quick Google search on 'koha'. Second relevant hit is Wikipedia
19:33 Jo ok.
19:33 slef Jo: we have the wiki. We don't have www.
19:33 nengard chris++
19:33 wizzyrea when it is legally theirs then we can ask
19:33 Ropuch chris++
19:33 Jo so is that an option: we ask PTFS for editing rights to the wiki
19:33 magnus but LL aren't going to give up anything now, are they? and PTFS isn't really in a position to hand anything over as long as the deal is not finalized, i would think?
19:33 chris for crying out loud
19:33 chris i hardly think that is asking much
19:33 thd At this point, the deal is not yet even closed.
19:33 chris they could at least let someone edit the website while they consider
19:33 wizzyrea they do have an awful lot to consider.
19:33 slef nengard: then we keep all the search engine juice.
19:33 Jo I would suggest that we can't wait another 3 months
19:32 wizzyrea thd++
19:32 thd I am stating that we should give PTFS a chanc to consider their position
19:32 chris i dont
19:32 nengard and then set up redirects if things change?
19:32 nengard so then chris don't you have a koha domain - can we start using that?
19:32 slef chris: well, not in the immediate.
19:32 wizzyrea I would say that PTFS is asking LL clients lots of questions
19:32 thd no slef
19:32 slef nengard: not really. We just Redirect permanent one site to the other.
19:32 schuster Jo - when you make your next contact you may want to point out those specifics to John Y and Patrick J - so they are aware how heavily the community used to rely on LibLime - they may not be aware that they are holding us up.
19:32 slef chris: I think thd is taking that as a signal that PTFS won't change things.
19:32 Jo agreed
19:32 nengard slef - silly if we do eventaully get koha.org back
19:31 chris so its not full of lies
19:31 chris all i want is the website back in community control
19:31 Jo we can get the word out between us
19:31 wizzyrea I think there needs to be at least a secondary hosting spot. The further out of date koha.org gets the more likely people are to look for more up to date info
19:31 slef Difficult, not silly.
19:31 chris if ppl wanna let themselves be locked in, so be it
19:31 nengard i would say we could register a new domain or use someone elses' for a while - but that's silly because all links go to koha.org
19:31 chris i dont care 2 cents about LLEK
19:31 thd from the press conference: PTFS will not change LLEK while evaluating it for 3 months. Does not say anything about trademarks and domains but calls for patience.
19:31 Jo so do we have options to consider?
19:30 nengard and the newsletter
19:30 hdl_laptop it surely is
19:30 slef some of it we can update (wiki), some of it we have limited updates (bugs) and others are stuck
19:30 gmcharlt Jo: it's an ongoing problem, yes
19:30 nengard I have the manual to publish
19:30 owen Definitely a problem.
19:30 nengard It's a big problem
19:30 Jo that seems to be a poblem for the community, or am i overstating this?
19:30 chris yeah and the website sitll points to 3.0.4 .. and we cant list zeno etc
19:30 slef and koha.org remains pickled until then
19:30 Jo listing for paid support etc
19:30 Jo regarding access to thedomain
19:30 Jo this could easily go on for 3 months
19:30 Jo what can we do / should we do in the interim.
19:30 slef ok, go on
19:29 Jo 1 moment
19:29 slef 6. Agree time of next meeting.
19:29 slef So let's wrap up so you can all gossip about who is hosting who in a mo:
19:29 Jo I suspect its going to be a long drawn out affair
19:29 slef OK, so "Next issues if negotiations have concluded." - they haven't.
19:29 chris shes going it alone rather than stick with the crud
19:29 wizzyrea i.e. she hasn't paid for the next 10 months of support
19:28 nengard that i knew
19:28 chris yeah
19:28 wizzyrea well, she's voting with her payout
19:28 Jo I think HLT should contact PTFS again in a month - no point any sooner,
19:28 slef No-one has anything to add about unresolved negotiations?
19:28 nengard chris - she did??
19:28 chris lee from montana voted with her feet also
19:28 wizzyrea NPL++
19:28 hdl_laptop NPL++
19:27 owen We were lucky to be in a position to do so. I know others might if their situation was different.
19:27 nengard NPL++
19:27 indradg NPL++
19:27 indradg N
19:27 cait NPL++
19:27 slef chris_n++
19:27 magnus owen++
19:27 chris_n NPL++
19:27 chris_n owen++
19:27 Jo NPL ++++
19:27 Jo The lack of access to the domain name is a real bummer
19:27 owen NPL has voted with our feet :)
19:27 slef exyliadics of het wordl, untie!
19:26 Jo sorry - ll / ptfs clients
19:26 * chris_n moves that we wait for the transaction to complete/fail
19:26 Jo yep
19:26 thd Jo did you mean customers?
19:26 slef I guess we're now opening it to the floor. What do we do? Keep waiting how long after the sale completes, do you think?
19:26 slef 4. Possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations.
19:25 Jo I have nothing more
19:25 Jo I think that it is vcritical for LL / PTFS to express their opinions to PTFS
19:25 Jo +1
19:25 slef Is there any more to report on the status of negotiations or shall we move on?
19:24 wizzyrea I know that we have expressed to the leadership our desire that the assets be returned to the community
19:24 Jo and that is certainly the message I have been given: no decisions made
19:24 * chris_n imagines its hard to make decisions before a sale is final at any rate
19:24 wizzyrea NEKLS has not had any particular inkling of what they plan to do with the domain names/trademarks
19:24 thd I could report from the public statements at the press conference that PTFS has not decided many questions
19:24 indradg ok
19:24 chris_n +1
19:24 gmcharlt agreed
19:23 chris i certainly don't
19:23 Jo so the upshot is that we need to wait for the Americans to ghet their act together :)
19:23 slef Do we expect that anything will happen before the sale completes?
19:23 wizzyrea jwagner++ for clearing that up :)
19:23 thd I attended the PTFS press conference at ALA Midwinter
19:23 schuster boy she had that statement typed up and ready to go!
19:23 slef I bow to others' knowledge of PTFS structure, but I'm always saddened by non-autonomous workers.
19:23 hdl_laptop thanks jwagner
19:23 Jo Cheers Jane.
19:22 owen Thanks jwagner
19:22 schuster The sale is not final yet between LibLime and PTFS - probably another 2 weeks.
19:22 Jo John basically said said wait and see
19:22 jwagner (1) No decisions can be made until the sale is final (which it isn't yet). (2) These decisions will be made above our pay grade. (3) We are not authorized to speak for the company, and are still under an NDA.
19:22 Jo fair enough.
19:22 chris all doing so woudl do, would be to get themselves in trouble
19:22 Jo sure... it was a suggestion
19:21 chris Jo: i dont think that is fair to anyone from PTFS present, they dont have any authority to speak
19:21 jwagner To forestall this and other questions, I'll repeat what I said the day the sale was announced.
19:21 cait biblibre++
19:21 thd chris_n: slef should speak for himself but his conflict is not really opposed as far as I know.
19:21 slef nengard: ;-)
19:21 Jo Maybe someone from PTFS might like to comment?
19:21 nengard ??
19:21 Jo HLT has also written to John Yokley twice reminding him about the community wishes for the koha domain and trademark and that we look forwarding to working with him
19:21 slef nengard: you cannot modify your own karma!
19:21 nengard biblibre++
19:20 magnus biblibre++
19:20 chris_n right
19:20 slef chris_n: it depends. Let us discuss that another time.
19:20 davi biblibre++
19:20 wizzyrea biblibre++
19:20 chris_n slef: surely you support this move
19:20 sekjal biblibre++, indeed
19:20 thd biblibre++
19:20 Jo actually they carfrying all the costs
19:20 slef I have a conflict of interest, but that is only a point of information.
19:20 chris_n Biblibre++
19:20 Jo unasked and at no cost :)
19:19 brendan biblibre++
19:19 slef note: trademark application
19:19 * wizzyrea cheers
19:19 Jo Biblibre and HLT have signed and submitted the documentation for tranferfring the EU trademark over to HLT.
19:19 chris back
19:19 slef sorry - please fill us in
19:18 Jo yep :)
19:18 slef Is this Jo again?
19:18 * hdl_laptop Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre SARL
19:18 slef 3. Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains.
19:18 slef ok, moving on
19:18 thd davi: That is actually covered in some language in the draft
19:18 Jo yep- my fingers are dyslexic :)
19:18 hdl_laptop hi
19:18 slef I think that was an ytpo.
19:18 davi ack
19:17 slef davi: "<Jo> Dai: That is my understanding"
19:17 slef OK, any further comments or questions? Particularly from anyone who hasn't opined yet.
19:17 davi Will that committee be dissolved if we end turning to be an democratic Association?
19:17 slef Thank you.
19:17 Jo I will
19:17 chris_n slef: maybe not so much the fixmes, but a reminder to look
19:17 davi +as a reminder to mailing list
19:17 * imp likes slef idea :)
19:16 slef Who will post it?
19:16 wizzyrea +1 even
19:16 wizzyrea +!
19:16 Jo Dai: That is my understanding
19:16 slef Yes, shall we take the FIXME topics to the mailing list in a reminder?
19:16 chris_n I also agree with gmcharlt that a reminder to the list is in order
19:16 davi ?
19:16 davi Will that committee be dissolved if we end turning to be an democratic Association
19:16 slef If it degenerates into wiki war, then we'll deal with that.
19:16 gmcharlt or at least a reminder sent to the lists to look at it
19:16 Jo the Trust may want to suggest tweaks as well
19:15 gmcharlt slef: wiki commentary is fine, but I think that a discussion on the Koha mailing list will ensure that everybody who is interested is aware of it
19:15 Jo +1
19:15 slef If the FIXMEs remain when they are submitted to the Trust, I think it's up to Bob or HLT
19:15 chris_n I agree with slef; most of them are pretty straight forward
19:14 slef Any opinion? I'm minded to suggest that they should be taken up on the wiki.
19:14 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:organisations:koha_project_organisation:hlt:rules&s[]=committee&s[]=rules
19:14 thd I hope that Bob would give attention to the FIXMEs
19:13 owen Should we be discussing those FIXMEs now?
19:13 slef Any other comments, or any questions?
19:12 slef OK, I point out that there are a number of FIXMEs still in those draft rules.
19:11 Jo I do want to clarify that the only task the community requests of HLT is to use best endeavours to secure the domain name and trademarks.
19:11 * Ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE, Poland
19:11 Jo so any last minute suggestions before I take the draft should be done this week.
19:10 Jo The trustees meeting for Januray was postponed - well cancelled really - and I will be submitting the draft rules to the next Trust meeting being held on 25th Feb.
19:10 slef please go ahead
19:10 Jo sure.
19:10 slef Report on DRAFT Horowhenua Library Trust KOHA Committee RULES. Who wants to report on this? Jo?
19:09 slef OK - any further attendees, please announce yourself when you wish.
19:09 indradg Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, Kolkata, India
19:09 wizzyrea apologies from Lee Philips, Butte Montana (another meeting)
19:09 imp Martin Janitschke, CCC Hannover
19:08 Sharon Sharon Moreland, NEKLS
19:08 Colin Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe
19:08 Vickiteal Vicki Teal Lovely, South Central Library System, Madison, WI, US
19:08 magnus Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
19:08 sekjal-away Ian Walls, NYU Health Sciences Libraries
19:08 Jo apologies from George Sue (travelling)
19:08 brendan Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions
19:08 schuster schuster = David Schuster Plano ISD/KUDOS
19:08 rosa Rosalie Blake formerly HLT
19:08 Jo Joann Ransom, Horowhenua Library Trust, NZ
19:08 jwagner Jane Wagner, PTFS
19:08 Nate Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions
19:08 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
19:08 davi Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop
19:08 * nengard Nicole C. Engard - Doc Manager & ByWater Solutions
19:08 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy
19:08 owen Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library
19:08 * wizzyrea = Liz Rea, NEKLS
19:08 * cait = Katrin Fischer, BSZ
19:07 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM, Equinox
19:07 chris_n Chris Nighswonger, FBC
19:07 slef MJ Ray, member of software.coop
19:07 slef and we should all start with introductions
19:07 slef okay so - I call this meeting to order
19:07 thd I would volunteer but I am in great pain and will go see a doctor some time after the meeting
19:07 * chris_n seconds slef
19:07 gmcharlt but thanks
19:07 gmcharlt Vickiteal: right, but I'm purposely trying to keep my RM role separate from the foundation-forming issue
19:07 Vickiteal I think he is trustworthy.
19:06 Vickiteal Galen is RM
19:06 gmcharlt thd: none currently, but I did sign an NDA with LL and not personally likely to inspire much cooperation from kados on this matter
19:06 slef thd: swine ;-) Anyone else? (please?)
19:06 thd slef: I nominate you
19:05 slef thd: ex-worker. Purely history, but even so.
19:05 slef OK. Any volunteers to chair?
19:05 thd slef: what are gmcharlt's LibLime / PTFS links anymore?
19:05 gmcharlt I'll chair if nobody else steps up, but would agree that somebody else should do it
19:04 slef gmcharlt: are you in the chair, or is someone with no LL/PTFS links better?
19:03 slef wizzy_lunch: YO!
19:03 wizzy_lunch hey peps
19:03 davi hi
19:03 Lee Sorry off to another meeting but I will read transcript
19:02 gmcharlt it's time, I believe
19:02 slef Hi all.
19:02 imp :(
19:00 nengard dog decided to get sick all over the carpet - i'm here but cleaning
18:52 cait :)
18:52 brendan thanks Colin
18:51 Colin I'll confirm it from the no-conversions timezone
18:50 brendan if I've done the time conversions correctly ;)
18:50 brendan yes in about 10 minutes
18:49 cait the meeting is in a few minutes, right?
18:49 cait hi brendan
18:48 brendan heya cait
18:48 cait hi koha
18:39 schuster LUNCH quick!
18:38 chris ok, off to catch my bus, might be a bit late to the meeting, my apologies if so
18:38 chris_n test what you like in patron cards and then switch back to your previous db
18:37 chris_n nengard: you don't have to drop your current db, just create another and adjust koha-conf.xml accordingly
18:34 nengard closed the bugs
18:34 nengard okay - brain is really tired - need to feed it - lunch time
18:34 schuster owen - what about intranet-print.css does that come into play?
18:33 wizzyrea afk
18:33 schuster BACKUP!
18:32 nengard :( doing that loses my patron and catalog data - which means starting all over with subscriptions and stuff - which makes documenting hard -
18:32 Colin if you use the current updatedatebase you need to delete the first two lines
18:32 chris_n then see if there are still errors
18:32 chris_n and run the webinstaller from scratch
18:32 chris_n I would suggest starting over with a clean db
18:32 nengard yeah - i did fix some of them
18:31 nengard oh
18:31 chris_n there have been a number of issue with updatedatabase.pl over the past few months
18:31 nengard k - so will checking out a new branch work?
18:31 nengard hmm
18:31 chris_n and you are missing db tables
18:31 nengard lovely
18:31 nengard heh
18:31 chris_n nengard: your upgrade did not work
18:31 nengard so I split them up
18:31 nengard chris_n there were 2 bugs - one was 500 error the others were scripting errors
18:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4094 critical, P5, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, NEW, link to manage images broken
18:30 chris_n nengard: I'm looking at bug 4094
18:29 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4096 blocker, P5, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, NEW, Patron Card Tool throwing many errors
18:29 nengard updated bug 4096 with error log
18:28 chris_n if you are on dev install over git
18:28 * chris_n imagines something broke during your upgrade
18:28 chris_n all links are good regardless
18:27 nengard oh oka :( darn - then hang on - getting error log now
18:27 chris_n nope
18:27 chris_n ?
18:27 nengard cause the new user will find nothing but errors :)
18:27 nengard and if so then we need to disable those links if you don't have things set up yet
18:27 nengard is it possible that the errors are because I don't have templates/layouts/etc set up already
18:26 nengard and i'm about to get you the log file as well
18:26 nengard yes
18:25 chris_n and do you have command line access?
18:25 chris_n what kind of install are you running?
18:25 nengard chris_n that was all another language for me .... what command do I type?
18:25 chris_n does the error log say anything else?
18:24 chris_n nengard: that link works on two different installations here
18:22 chris_n beware that Image::Magick will not work
18:21 chris_n use the package maintainer's version as there is no cpan version
18:21 nengard still getting errors when clicking links - off to bug report them for you
18:21 nengard chris_n that wasn't it :)
18:20 nengard installing now
18:20 nengard k that needs to be added to the about page
18:19 chris_n nengard: you must install Graphics::Magick
18:19 nengard chris_n do i need a perl module for the patron card tool to work? cause i keep getting errorswhen clicking different links
17:59 schuster OK - I'll bang a little on this with some of the other stylesheets that are referenced to see if that makes a difference.
17:58 owen schuster: I took out the "input, " part of that line and it worked for me. Since you don't even have that I'm not sure what's going on.
17:57 schuster I do not have that line in my code. So when you changed yours to??? it worked? or comment it out?
17:56 owen input, fieldset.action, .list-actions { display: none; }
17:56 schuster .print { display : inline;
17:55 schuster hmmm - what would that declaration look like? sorry still learning.
17:55 owen /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/print.css
17:54 owen schuster: Were you able to confirm or deny the existence of a declaration in your print stylesheet that hides inputs?
17:53 * jdavidb goes "eep!"
17:53 schuster owen - so we have decided this print problem is a local issue correct?
17:53 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is 3.2�C (12:44 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 7 am EST Wednesday...
17:53 jdavidb @wunder 20817
17:52 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 17.0�C (10:50 PM IST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
17:52 indradg @wunder kolkata
17:42 moodaepo It was -30s in Montreal a couple of weeks back when we were in the -20s, wonder how el norte pole was doing. @wunder should be able to do past weather!
17:40 brendan yay!
17:40 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -12.0�C (12:00 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
17:40 moodaepo @wunder Montreal, Canada
17:40 * moodaepo tries it one last time
17:40 owen "Humidity: -999%" ?!
17:39 moodaepo brendan++
17:39 munin brendan: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -31.1�C (8:32 AM AKST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -70.0�C. Windchill: -31.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
17:39 munin moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found.
17:39 brendan @wunder north pole, alaska
17:39 moodaepo @wunder Montreal, QC Canada
17:39 brendan my favorite is
17:39 munin moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found.
17:39 moodaepo @wunder montreal
17:39 moodaepo Well the Canucks got me beat most of the time so I feel warmer when I do this...
17:38 schuster schuster is killing trees... sorry...
17:38 owen polar is right
17:38 brendan heh ;)
17:38 moodaepo Hey brendan seems like we are back to being polar-opposites with ze weather : )
17:37 brendan hi moodaepo
17:34 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -8.7�C (11:30 AM CST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising).
17:34 moodaepo @wunder 56001
17:30 schuster oh yes that is what I get when I print it - but things are lined up nicely.
17:30 owen schuster: I mean is that what you get when you print it
17:29 schuster print
17:29 Ropuch ..and i fell for it ;>
17:29 schuster yes that is what I see when I look at css media type
17:28 owen schuster: Your filter is protecting you. We've been trying to trick you into looking at naughty pictures at work.
17:27 owen http://zivotdesign.com/examples/edit-item-print-view.png
17:26 schuster I can share either with you...
17:26 schuster my *()^)*&^)&*( filter doesn't let me get to some of those sites. Are you showing me code or printout?
17:25 owen schuster, is this what you see? http://imagebin.ca/view/NXGtHD1.html
17:24 owen http://imagebin.ca/view/NXGtHD1.html
17:24 owen Yup, work.
17:24 * owen checks for pants
17:23 wizzyrea you are presumably at work right now :)
17:22 owen At work I am, at home I'm on a Mac.
17:22 * wizzyrea is also using FF 3.6
17:22 wizzyrea owen: you are on a PC?
17:22 schuster bblb
17:22 Ropuch Evening #koha
17:22 Ropuch ;>
17:22 wizzyrea ooh look at all of the new shiny buttons
17:21 schuster phewey
17:21 Ropuch Web Developer plugin is must ;>
17:21 wizzyrea mine display on both
17:21 * wizzyrea too
17:21 schuster can't get to that one - my network proxy blocks it... So are you missing barcode or does yours display.
17:21 * chris_n loves tools that make life easier... especially with web developing
17:21 owen Sounds like this may be a PC problem.
17:21 chris_n got it and installed :-)
17:20 owen Sorry chris_n: that "Yes" was meant for you :)
17:20 wizzyrea that's what my two prints look like :/
17:20 wizzyrea http://img70.yfrog.com/i/qkkl.jpg/
17:20 schuster I downloaded it, but I need to "restart" firefox
17:18 wizzyrea owen: will def check it out
17:17 wizzyrea :/
17:17 wizzyrea i just printed it L.
17:17 * owen highly recommends the Web Developer addon. It pre-dates Firebug and does some things Firebug doesn't
17:16 wizzyrea not on mine
17:16 schuster print preview looks ok that's what is strange - no probably would be missing the data.
17:16 wizzyrea so, if i were to print that, it would come out the same
17:15 wizzyrea <- on a mac though
17:15 wizzyrea PDF
17:15 wizzyrea that's the print preview
17:15 owen wizzyrea: Yes
17:15 schuster 3/3 on the screen looks ok - its when it actually goes to the printer that it is missing the data.
17:15 chris_n owen: is this it? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60?src=api
17:13 wizzyrea yea
17:13 owen wizzyrea: That's 3/3 of a printout?
17:13 chris_n neat
17:13 wizzyrea oooh
17:13 owen It has a nice option for viewing pages using the CSS files for alternate media types. Good for testing your print CSS
17:13 wizzyrea hmm, 3/3 looks like http://screencast.com/t/OWM2YjJjZ
17:12 wizzyrea if it will help
17:12 wizzyrea i will get it
17:12 wizzyrea I have firebug
17:11 owen wizzyrea: Do you have the Web Developer Firefox addon?
17:11 wizzyrea that view?
17:11 owen schuster: ...and yet the fix worked for me :|
17:11 wizzyrea schuster: i'm trying to understand your issue. You have a problem with http://screencast.com/t/NzUwNTRmY2I
17:08 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 2.0�C (12:02 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling).
17:08 chris_n @wunder 28334
17:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.4�C (9:00 AM PST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
17:04 brendan @wunder 93117
17:03 owen schuster: True. Yours probably doesn't have that line, and therefore my hypothesis is incorrect.
16:56 schuster head looks different than mine at the moment. So I'm investigating. Since I'm on like .36...
16:55 owen schuster: Were you able to tweak that file?
16:54 schuster smm still a mystery...
16:49 owen ...but I don't see why it wouldn't do that whether or not you're printing page 3 of 3
16:49 owen Line 205 says to hide <input> when printing
16:49 owen http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/print.css;h=16996611f56fa61f365fa5343941999326d066c6;hb=HEAD
16:48 schuster yes wizzyrea - if you print all 3 pages it comes out ok, if you print page 3 of 3 most of the fields are blank.
16:48 wizzyrea file a bug I'd guess
16:48 owen schuster: The print stylesheet needs to be modified
16:48 wizzyrea you are looking at the edit items screen?
16:47 schuster So owen any suggestions on how to fix that so the data comes all the way through?
16:47 schuster Timer hasn't dinged, but it is getting close.
16:47 schuster Hey doesn't hurt, I half baked one and I think it is almost complete!! URL checker...
16:46 wizzyrea ;)
16:46 wizzyrea b
16:46 wizzyrea yea, but most of my ideas are half baked and kind of dum
16:46 schuster I think we need to put all those ideas into bugzilla as enhancements so that others can chime in and possible help...
16:46 wizzyrea perhaps I should post my idea bucket somewhere online :/
16:46 wizzyrea hmm
16:46 wizzyrea no, no I don't
16:45 schuster Ok idea bucket tip over and let the ideas flow to completion!! wizzyrea has all the answers right?
16:41 wizzyrea really it's more like an idea bucket
16:41 owen schuster: I get the same thing.
16:41 wizzyrea sok though
16:41 wizzyrea heh, no
16:40 * chris_n wonders if wizzyrea can see the bottom of her list
16:40 schuster You are correct not a new item, but it bubbled to the top of my stack of papers again.
16:40 * wizzyrea puts that on her list
16:39 wizzyrea what a great feature it would be to have a print friendly items view
16:39 wizzyrea you know
16:38 owen schuster: This isn't a new issue is it? I seem to recall you asking about this before.
16:37 schuster Thoughts?
16:36 schuster If we do file print and say print ONLY page 3 to 3 which is the edit item page all the fields are blank except #2, 8, a, b, c, y
16:36 schuster on the Edit item page all cells/fields are filled in on the printout.
16:35 schuster If we pull up an item in the edit mode - and do file print we get 3 pages - title, grid, and then the Edit item #XXXX
16:34 owen Sure
16:34 schuster hey all - owen have a minute to look at something dealing with printing?
16:27 chris_n g'morning
16:15 ccurry In addition, $c, shelving location is missing from this form...I checked the MARC Bibliographic Framework and the code for the hidden field of 952$c is correct & it displays correctly when creating a non-serial item.
16:09 ccurry I tried copying the js from the pastebin above and changing the subfield to o and replacing serialseq with publisheddate, but this doesn't output the publisheddate field...and overwrites the call number generated by system preferences, so I guess something more sophisticated is necessary?
16:08 ccurry owen: thanks
16:08 ccurry duh
16:08 munin owen: Error: "spits" is not a valid command.
16:08 owen munin spits out details of bugs if you give a bug number
16:07 ccurry interesting. I never know when I'm talking to a robot on IRC...that's a smart one.
16:06 munin ccurry: Error: "thanks." is not a valid command.
16:06 ccurry munin: thanks. good to know.
16:06 ccurry I'm trying to do a more involved customization to populate $h with "publisheddate" from the serialitems table and append "serialseq" to the call number in $o. Any tips on how I can achieve this?
16:05 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3899 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Receive Serial Item Has Copy Info in Wrong Field
16:05 owen Bug 3899
16:04 ccurry http://pastebin.com/m4e03ad68
16:04 ccurry ...latter is obviously a mistake, and is easy enough to fix by editing line 73 of /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serials-edit.tmpl, replacing "v" with "h" to populate h - Serial Enumeration / chronology with "serialseq" instead.
16:04 ccurry I'm working on getting the serials module working correctly (or at least limping along). When receiving a new item from within a subscription record, some data is automatically generated in the item record. The call number is applied (as defined in system preferences "itemcallnumber") and "serialseq" ( from serial items table) is inserted into subfield v Cost, replacement price. The...
16:04 ccurry Hello everyone. A few questions about serials:
15:51 nengard On the OPAC - I see no reason why the patron would need anything else ... but if hdl_laptop was asked to put it there - maybe we need find out why
15:51 owen So nengard you think all we need is the library filter?
15:48 nengard owen - not that I know of ...
15:48 nengard but as I'm the bug reporter - I still see no reason for the patron to know how many subscriptions the library has set up or their IDs
15:48 owen But there is no way, other than with subscription ID, to distinguish the two
15:48 nengard yes
15:48 nengard the way it works now if you have 2 copies of Computers in Libraries at your branch you need two subscriptions
15:47 owen One library branch?
15:47 nengard name/title
15:47 nengard owen, i would expect one library to have multiple subscriptions with the same name
15:46 owen Isn't a filter by branchcode all you would need? Unless you expect one library branch to have duplicate subscriptions to the same title
15:43 hdl_laptop serial name
15:43 owen serialseq?
15:43 hdl_laptop But if we could use a pretty jqueryfilter so that user can filter branchcode or even serialseq.... Then i think it would do the job
15:42 hdl_laptop mmm maybe... I think it was asked.
15:40 owen The ID number doesn't mean much to the librarian, let alone a patron
15:39 owen Is there a reason why a librarian would need to filter by a subscription ID?
15:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4090 minor, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, subscription ID showing in OPAC - confusing
15:39 owen hdl_laptop: Can you look at Bug 4090?
15:29 hdl_laptop thanks Colin
15:28 Colin hdl_laptop: thanks I'll take a look at ensuring enddate gets set
15:22 jdavidb figured probably so. Thanks!
15:21 hdl_laptop sure you have to.
15:21 gmcharlt yes, you need to reindex
15:21 jdavidb hdl_laptop: after setting icu up, is it necessary to reindex? I've got the modified default.idx and icu.xml in place, and restarted zebra, but no change to results.
15:20 nengard owen just saw the work you did on subscriptions display in the OPAC - nice work!! Thanks :)
15:16 nengard thanks hdl_laptop!!
15:15 hdl_laptop my;field;is;great;Ratzinger**Benedito/Wojtila**john-Paul;....
15:14 wizzyrea thanks again
15:14 wizzyrea brilliant, it worked
15:14 hdl_laptop for instance -- as subfield separator
15:14 hdl_laptop for instance / as field separator
15:13 hdl_laptop for instance ; as csv
15:13 hdl_laptop And had you had multiple $a in your 700 then you would use the subfield separator
15:13 nengard and then the $ is the subfield separator?
15:13 hdl_laptop There comes the field separator
15:13 nengard OH!!! that makes sense
15:12 hdl_laptop and you have 10 700 tags...
15:12 hdl_laptop imagine 700$a
15:12 hdl_laptop nengard: But you can have multiple tags and subfields answering your question
15:12 hdl_laptop nengard: csv separator is for the csv "fields" in your excel file
15:11 brendan ah sure thing wizzyrea :)
15:11 wizzyrea brendan: thanks for the tip, will do :)
14:59 jwagner Gee, lots of karma floating around this morning :-)
14:57 jdavidb hdl_laptop++ again, just because! Gonna spin this up on a test instance, make sure I get it right before I subject my customers to my fumblin'.
14:56 hdl_laptop yep
14:55 jdavidb hdl_laptop: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-January/022269.html ? This what I need?
14:54 nengard okay - documentation question re: csv profiles - what does each seperator mean? what's the diff between a csv sperator, field seperator and subfield seperator?
14:51 jdavidb I see etc/zebra/etc/icu.xml; I gather that's the config that tells icu how to do stuff?
14:50 hdl_laptop installing the package, + tweak zebra configuration
14:50 nengard or :)
14:50 nengard thanks :)(
14:50 owen Yes
14:50 nengard owen can you remove the dup fields then too?
14:49 jdavidb Thanks! Is it just a matter of installing the package, and reconfiguring/reindexing zebra?
14:49 owen nengard: I'm working on that template now
14:49 nengard will report and try to fix
14:49 jdavidb hdl_laptop++
14:49 nengard okay - so it's a bug :)
14:49 hdl_laptop I guess.
14:49 hdl_laptop nengard: bad conflict merge ?
14:49 hdl_laptop jdavidb: I posted some icu files and you have some on Univ_Lyon3 branch on git.biblibre.com
14:48 nengard hdl_laptop any ideas why the seperator fields are duplicated on the CSV profiles tool?
14:46 jdavidb okay.. gonna go do some searching, and figure out how to do that...
14:45 kf jdavidb: you can test in our library catalog if you want to, it works fine there
14:44 nengard csv profiles question ... why are the seperators listed 2 times each? Is this a bug or is there a reason I need it twice?
14:44 kf jdavidb: icu indexinb
14:43 hdl_laptop jdavidb: I guess you should try to setup yaz-icu
14:43 hdl_laptop Colin: maybe we could require the enddate or try and process that from subscription data
14:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 major, P1, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Diacritics not being ignored when searching
14:42 jdavidb Hm...anyone seen anything useful that might help with Bug 2629 ? I've got a couple of sites that are fussing about this
14:33 Colin Was the logic to force the renew or should you require the enddate on add
14:32 magnus and i'll make sure it's updated to alpha as soon as i can after it's out
14:32 magnus i have one at http://head.bibkat.no/ http://head.bibkat.no:8080/ username = password = demo that i will share with anyone
14:31 Colin but not receive a copy until you renew
14:31 Colin Hi a question on enddate in serials. You can add a subscription without one
14:31 magnus i think there was talk a while back about making available test-installations for people to try and hunt for bugs, without requiring everyone to set up their own installations. anyone thought any more about that?
14:30 hdl_laptop hi Colin
14:30 Colin is hdl_laptop about?
14:06 imp gmcharlt++
14:06 * imp will try the alpha version :D
14:05 imp \o/
14:04 kf gmcharlt++
14:03 hdl_laptop gmcharlt++
14:03 magnus gmcharlt++
13:57 nengard gmcharlt++ woo hoo
13:56 jdavidb gmcharlt++
13:54 gmcharlt hilongo: do you get this conversion error if you open the file in vi and try saving it without making any changes?
13:54 jwagner gmcharlt++ yippeee!
13:53 jdavidb Indeed, owen.
13:53 gmcharlt news for you - this evening I'll be bringing in the last of the patches for 3.2 and tarring up the alpha
13:53 owen jdavidb: Toiling away for clients is toiling away in obscurity
13:53 hilongo but now I can't add the equivalences to the sort-string-utf.chr file, cause it complains on saving with a 'CONVERSION ERROR' from vim ...
13:52 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop
13:52 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt
13:51 hilongo after the upgrade to v3.0.5 same problem presented, because of new word-phrase and sort-string files
13:50 * jdavidb hasn't done much karma-worthy lately, anyway.
13:50 owen jdavidb: Not enough time to score some karma
13:49 hilongo under /etc/koha...
13:49 hilongo the thing is ... that I seem to have two sets of diacritics in my database.. back in v3.0.1 I fixed this adding some equivalences in word-phrase-utf.chr and sort-string-utf.chr
13:49 jwagner Harrumph.
13:48 gmcharlt sockpuppets FTW!
13:48 kf gmcharlt: not sure this is fair
13:47 jwagner Hey, kf/cait can accumulate karma under two identities! That's not fair. I need to start logging in with an alternate persona!!!
13:47 gmcharlt hilongo: what's your question?
13:46 gmcharlt kf: happy now? :)
13:45 gmcharlt cait++
13:42 munin kf: cait has neutral karma.
13:42 kf @karma cait
13:42 jwagner hilongo, you can ask, don't know whether anyone is online that has an answer....
13:41 jwagner Awwww, getting karma back :-)
13:40 munin kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
13:40 kf @karma kf
13:40 kf jwagner++ # for discussing fines and notices with me :)
13:39 jwagner Meant to do that yesterday, but I was too excited about getting it to work!
13:39 kf karma yay :)
13:36 hilongo is there someone who can lend me a hand on that matter around? :)
13:35 hilongo I have updated my Koha to 3.0.5 and I'm having a 'dia'critial problem ...
13:33 jwagner kf++ for yesterday's patron attribute help :-)
13:33 jwagner Oh, by the way...
13:27 jwagner G'morning.
13:27 hilongo good morning to all :)
11:25 CGI693 while books are present but it do not show in catalogue from opac
11:25 CGI693 Im not able to search opac catalgue from reserviours data
11:20 CGI693 ??
11:16 CGI693 I did not get " launched indexation" ...??
11:16 CGI693 Im using zebra mode
11:15 hdl_laptop are you using zebra or no zebra mode ?
11:15 hdl_laptop CGI693: have you launched indexation ?
11:13 CGI693 I add some books but when I want to search these from OPAC search catalogue, they dont show there
11:11 CGI693 how can I use callnumber
11:10 hdl_laptop CGI693: for shelving locations, in koha, and in libraries, you can use itemcallnumber.
11:08 hdl_laptop lists were named virtualshelves : they are just there to store some records for more visibility and work
11:07 hdl_laptop item types are the type of items and rules for check-in and out.
11:05 CGI693 and how can I add books in different shelves
11:05 CGI693 and I review the documentation but still Im in cofusion, that wht is different b/w item types and lists
11:04 CGI693 Im new user of KOHA
11:01 Amit what problem
11:01 Amit hi CGI693
10:59 CGI693 can any body help me?
10:59 CGI693 how can I place books in different shelving locations
10:58 CGI693 I read documents properly, but Im still in cofusion, that how koha function
10:58 CGI693 hi All! I installed koha-3.004_fixed on debian-lenny,
10:48 magnus sleep tight
10:47 kf good night chris
10:46 chris night all
10:46 chris ok time for sleep for me
10:42 chris http://www.igougo.com/traveldeals/ratefinder.aspx
10:41 chris seems to be cheapest so far
10:40 chris yeah stuttgart -> london -> hong kong -> nz
10:39 chris yeah
10:38 kf and 1/2 days +- are making a difference too - will need more time for this :)
10:38 kf stuttgart london seems to work too
10:37 chris so they all fly through there
10:37 chris looks like lufthansa's main hub is frankfurt
10:35 kf or perhaps zürich (switzerland)
10:35 kf stuttgart
10:35 chris whats the nearest big airport to you kf?
10:33 kf me too
10:33 chris they stop in singapore or thailand usually
10:33 Ropuch ;>
10:33 * Ropuch making notes
10:33 kf thx!
10:33 chris i flew lufthansa to vienna, and also to munich
10:33 chris means they often code share flights
10:33 kf star alliance?
10:32 chris same as air nz
10:32 chris lufthansa is part of the star alliance
10:32 chris then book direct with the airline
10:31 kf ah, hi chris
10:31 chris i usually use travelocity
10:29 kf or nengard
10:29 kf perhaps chris has some tips
10:27 magnus me to...
10:25 kf flying too seldom
10:25 kf I think there are several sites for finding cheap flights - but I have no recommendation
10:24 magnus what sites are you guys using to look for tickets? any recomendations?
10:23 kf because it might be cheaper to fly from here?
10:23 Ropuch I was thinking about cost of trip to Berlin/Hannover
10:21 kf hm?
10:21 Ropuch Oh, +/- 50 eoros is nothing compraed to final amount ;>
10:20 kf ah ok
10:18 Ropuch I must geto to Germany first
10:18 kf flight, not laptop
10:17 kf hm I have one for 1209.00 EUR here
10:17 Ropuch I'm a big fan of cheap laptops ;>
10:17 kf yes
10:16 Ropuch Still it's 1300-1500 euro
10:15 kf still enough to buy a real nice new laptop :(
10:15 kf hm playing with dates, not flying on weekends gets cheaper
10:15 kf I ll bring mine too :)
10:15 Ropuch http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pitch+a+tent
10:14 Ropuch Is "pitching a tent" used in realtion to a tent?
10:13 Ropuch I mean: in
10:13 Ropuch chris: can I assemble a tent on your yard? ;-)
10:10 Ropuch And hitchhiking the plane is not an option ;>
10:10 kf yes :(
10:09 Ropuch The flight cost alone is a killer
10:08 Ropuch Librarian on the road ;-)
10:08 magnus Ropuch: sounds like a good idea!
10:08 Ropuch Althought I'm years past my student times, I thinking about just getting there and try get some part time job to cover my expenses, just as I did in NOrway back then ;>
10:07 kf I = it
10:07 kf I would really like to go too.. but I will be really expensive
10:06 kf Ropuch: I know your problem
10:06 Ropuch But it would cost all of my savings
10:06 Ropuch I'm still considering sightseeing trip to NZ with Kohacon as a bonus
10:06 kf German library conference is in march too
10:04 Ropuch Heh
10:00 magnus and i would love to "round it out" by going to kohacon, but i'll need some more customers first i think...
09:55 magnus me too
09:54 chris i feel that 2010 is going to be a good year for koha
09:53 magnus i'm very anxious to hear and feel what the response will be there
09:52 magnus in the middle of march there will be the annual norwegian library conference, where i will have a stand to promote koha and myself. and nicomo will be there to help too :-)
09:51 chris :)
09:51 magnus i'm doing my best...
09:51 chris be nice to get a good koha presence in scandanavia
09:51 chris good idea
09:50 magnus i'm using it for all it's worth to make norwegian librarians aware of the benefits of koha too...
09:50 magnus yup
09:48 chris very cool
09:47 magnus they point out some things that are particular to sweden + translations, but otherwise they really like it
09:47 magnus oh, yes - the title says it all really
09:44 chris it seems the swedish report was very complimentary toward koha
09:44 chris mostly, google translate does a good job
09:43 magnus chris: and understands everything? ;-)
09:43 * chris reads magnus blog
08:52 hdl_laptop thx chris_n.
08:51 magnus hi hdl_laptop
08:51 hdl_laptop hi magnus
08:46 magnus hi, kf and Amit
08:45 Amit heya magnus
08:45 kf morning Amit and magnus
08:45 magnus good time-of-the-day-or-night #koha
08:44 Amit heya kf, Ropuch
08:31 kf good morning Ropuch
08:30 Ropuch Hello kf, imp :)
08:29 kf heyho imp ;)
08:29 imp heyho kf :)
08:25 kf hi #koha
07:51 imp moin :)
07:24 Ropuch Morning #koha
04:33 chris_n g'night #koha
04:32 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
04:32 chris_n @later tell hdl_laptop I resubmitted a corrected patch for bug 4074; the 3.0.x version is here: http://git.foundations.edu/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=925aad5aa27f327153dd0de75edfb1a4ebf6b47f and can be pulled from there if you like
04:13 Amit heya chris
04:13 Jo thanks everyone
04:12 chris bbl
04:12 chris ok hometime
04:11 chris nblake at masscat.org
04:11 chris no idea, you could email nora
04:10 Jo Masscat: any idea how many partner libraries or service sites
04:09 Amit np
04:09 Jo amit: thank you.
04:08 Amit 45 branches
04:08 Jo delhi: how many branches or sites would you think?
04:07 Amit http://dpl.gov.in/
04:07 Jo Hands lollypop to Amit :)
04:07 Jo delhi is a g ood one
04:06 Jo Kerala state : whats the story with that one again?
04:06 chris there must be 4 million ppl in delhi easy
04:06 Amit i think oldest library in india
04:06 Amit Delhi public library completed 60 years
04:06 Jo thanks - needed a very cool example
04:06 Jo cool.
04:05 chris vicki
04:05 chris wisconsin
04:05 Jo scls - what state is that?
04:05 brendan errr.. year
04:05 brendan whoops off by a month
04:04 brendan howard county
04:04 chris its hard to know masscat has a lot of libraries mostly small though
04:04 brendan oh I get it now
04:03 Jo Hands lollypop to Chris .. :)
04:03 Jo Amit: as in all of NZ, or an entire state in US or India
04:00 chris http://www.scls.info/ has 3.6 million volumes does 11262790 circ transactions per year
03:58 brendan Jo "all of country"
03:57 Amit heya JO
03:57 brendan hey amit
03:52 Jo virtula lolly pop for the first 5 answers :)
03:52 Jo pop quizz: koha consortia serving populations over 4 million, or 'all of country or state"
03:48 chris_n I got an irc proxy up and running thanks to several who pointed me in the right direction
03:47 chris_n actually I'm just one now :-)
03:47 Amit heya chris_n2
03:47 chris_n howdy Amit
03:46 Amit morning #koha
03:46 Amit heya brendan, chris
03:41 chris_n both lines I had you add should be there and uncommented
03:41 chris_n braedon: add '$query =~ s/(?<=rtrn):/=/g;' immediately after the line I had you add a moment ago and see if that fixes things up
03:38 Drew there is no virtualhost line in that file
03:35 chris_n I think on ubuntu that is apache2.conf
03:27 Drew the file is blank
03:26 chris whats the virtualhost line of your intranet section of the httpd.conf file?
03:25 Drew it would seem so it just won't respond
03:25 chris ok so its definitely listening on port 8080
03:24 Drew if i telnet i get nothing it does connect
03:21 Drew 127.0.0.1 - - [02/Feb/2010:11:38:52 +0900] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.10 with Suhosin-Patch (internal dummy connection)"
03:19 chris do you get a connection?
03:19 chris telnet 192.168.11.23 8080
03:19 chris and if you go
03:19 chris does it get an entry at all?
03:18 chris no, what does the access log say
03:18 Drew The webpage cannot be displayed
03:18 chris what does it list when you hit that url above?
03:15 Drew nothing that i can see thats an error
03:12 chris whats in the access log?
03:11 chris right, well that error must have occured the one time you messed it up
03:11 Drew 192.168.11.23:8080
03:11 Drew might have messed it up once but thats the only error i found
03:11 chris can you paste exactly what you did?
03:10 Drew thats what i did
03:10 chris or http://your.domain.name:8080/
03:10 chris http://your.ip.number:8080/
03:10 chris it needs to before the slash
03:09 chris ahh you are putting the :8080 in the wrong place
03:08 Drew this is the line [error] [client 192.168.11.54] File does not exist: /var/www/:8080
03:08 braedon works in 3.0.1
03:08 braedon and git 3.0.x actually
03:08 braedon have used, and is broken in, 3.0.4, and git head
03:07 braedon using 3.0.5 currently
03:07 braedon chris_n: sorry, was afk
02:56 chris_n which file does the log say is not found?
02:52 Drew error.log
02:52 chris_n Drew: which file?
02:48 Drew the log says file not found
02:48 chris_n s/wronge/wrong/
02:47 chris_n what version are you using?
02:47 chris_n so maybe there is something else wronge there
02:47 chris_n but if the original line was not commented out, your search links should have worked
02:46 chris_n ie. ti: au: etc
02:45 chris_n the new regexp normalizes by removing only query limit pragma
02:45 chris_n normalizing the query by removing all : results in the inability to search on anything containing a :
02:41 braedon what exactly is it supposed to fix(in case i am getting the wrong end of the stick here)
02:38 braedon i tried that, and it doesn't seem to work
02:37 chris_n in that case, comment it and add the one I gave below it
02:37 braedon s/I an/I can/
02:37 braedon chris_n: where abouts should that line "# $query =~ s/:/=/g;" be? The only one I an find isn't commented
02:32 chris_n Drew: what do the apache logs say? ie. /var/log/apache2/error.log and access.log
02:29 chris_n missed that
02:24 braedon "- Drew, 14:52 - do I need to change anything else other than ports.conf to listen 8080"
02:22 chris_n Drew: is your apache configured to listen on port 8080?
02:19 braedon and don't restrict the search to apache too strictly. that is only my guess :P
02:19 braedon no probs. sorry i couldn't be more help
02:17 Drew ok then I will look in that dirction for answers thanks for the help.
02:17 braedon i would say it is an apache config issue
02:16 Drew The webpage cannot be displayed
02:15 braedon what is it giving you on 8080 exactly?
02:14 Drew you think it is an apache problem or a koha
02:13 braedon sorry. anyone else have any ideas?
02:13 braedon hmm, looks alright to me
02:07 Drew http://pastebin.com/d78047351
02:06 braedon then send the link
02:06 braedon http://pastebin.com/
02:05 Drew whats the best way to send it?
01:58 braedon but i haven't done a fresh install, so there may be something tricksy elsewhere that i am unaware of
01:58 Drew ok give me a sec
01:58 braedon as far as i am aware, no
01:55 Drew do I need to change anything else other than ports.conf to listen 8080
01:55 braedon can you paste your whole apache koha file in pastebin or something?
01:53 braedon the port 80 should give you a maintenance message until you set it up through 8080
01:52 Drew or port 80
01:52 braedon so it is jsut the port 8080 virtualhost that isn't working
01:52 braedon yip
01:52 Drew so I know that apache is working
01:52 Drew no if I go to the ip it gives me the koha screen but tells me it is down for maitience
01:51 braedon does port 80 work?
01:51 braedon hmm, not sure then sorry
01:50 braedon lol, ok
01:50 Drew thats just a typo it is there
01:50 braedon i presume between the two 1's
01:50 braedon you need a extra .
01:50 Drew yes, I have even restart the pc
01:49 Drew <VirtualHost 192.168.1123:8080>
01:49 braedon did you restart apache after changing them?
01:49 braedon what are they set to now?
01:48 Drew yes I changed them before do I need to take out VirtualHost from the title?
01:48 braedon there will be one lower down for 8080 as well
01:48 braedon eg, <VirtualHost 127.0.0.1:80>
01:47 Drew let me check
01:46 braedon if the hosts in that file are set up for 127.0.0.1(localhost), you will need to change them to the IP address of the server
01:46 Drew yeah that is where it is I am using that myself what am I looking for?
01:45 braedon (that is what it is on ubuntu/debian at least)
01:45 braedon probably something like /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha
01:45 braedon check your site config for koha
01:44 braedon apache may not be set up correctly
01:44 Drew another
01:44 braedon are you on the machine koha is on? or are you on another?
01:43 Drew need some help I am new to koha and I followed the instructions from the wiki but I am getting nothing when I go to port 8080 any ideas?
01:40 braedon_ ok, thanks chris_n.
01:40 braedon_ grr, damn empathy crashing
01:38 chris_n bbiab
01:38 chris_n git should work out the merge when it does show up in the main repo and you rebase
01:37 chris_n you can also grab the patch once it posts to the list and apply it to your repo
01:37 chris_n that depends on gmcharlt's schedule, but this will be in the alpha of 3.2 so not too long from now
01:26 braedon_ how long does it usually take for patches to be applied to the repos, out of interest
01:25 chris_n np... and I have not yet submitted the patch to do that, but will tonight or tomorrow
01:25 braedon_ thanks
01:25 braedon_ ok
01:24 chris_n do *not* uncomment the line referred to above which is commented out
01:24 chris_n and add just after it this line: $query =~ s/(?<=(ti|au|pb|su|an|kw|mc)):/=/g;
01:24 braedon_ yipyip
01:24 chris_n find this line: # $query =~ s/:/=/g;
01:24 chris_n braedon_: in C4/Search.pm
01:20 chris_n braedon_: no, but the fix is a one-liner... hold on
01:20 braedon_ chris_n: do you know what version first broke the biblio view search links?
01:18 chris_n wizzyrea must be very mobile atm
01:06 braedon_ yay for PPAs
01:06 braedon_ but it is getting better
01:06 braedon_ sadly it does not work too well
01:06 braedon_ i'm on empathy
01:05 braedon_ :)
01:05 chris_n sadly it did not work too well
01:04 * chris_n tried out a vim irc plugin today
01:03 chris_n yup
00:45 brendan yeah those two lines have got to be from a bad merge right?
00:31 * chris_n is glad he was not the only one with those two random lines
00:14 brendan I saw that in my update and that did the trick for me (something happened during the merge or something)
00:13 brendan you need to edit the first two lines of your installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl file
00:12 brendan wizzyrea you figure out your problem?