Time Nick Message 23:52 gmcharlt chris: is the translations branch in a pullable state for 3.2 at the moment? 23:46 chris gmcharlt++ 23:46 chris i see more commits going in 23:45 joetho man oh man. goddady gets to make their own rules. 23:45 rhcl yea, that's who I usually use, and agree with you 100% 23:44 chris i use them for my workbuffer.org domain 23:44 chris godaddy is annoying, but cheap 23:44 rhcl can anybody recommend a domain registrar? 23:44 joetho I will fix it now 23:44 joetho whoa 23:44 chris before i have to pay extra 23:43 chris i only have 40gig a month bandwidth 23:43 joetho or wherever. 23:43 joetho I will fix it tomorrow. I am quite sure NEKLS will host that 23:43 chris the will end up probably at docs.koha-community or something 23:43 chris yeah dont be doing that please :-) 23:43 joetho whoa chris I'm glad I checked here, I just changed my dox link to the link you gave me 23:42 gmcharlt we know not the the meaning of "short meeting" :) 23:42 chris bout 1.5 hours ... tis pretty standard 23:42 rhcl I was reading the log just now, looked like it continued for a couple of hours at least 23:41 chris finished hours ago, irc is like this most days 23:41 chris hehe no 23:41 rhcl_inclass gee, is the IRC meeting still going on? 23:35 Jo yep - and it is beautiful 23:33 gmcharlt brendan: thanks 23:33 chris hey Jo, see the new site? 23:29 brendan I like the picture you have for twitter 23:29 brendan gmcharlt++ 23:20 chris no worries :-) 23:20 gmcharlt chris: oops, sorry, I redid my retweet to not put words in your mouth 23:17 chris http://www.nzherald.co.nz/web-2-0/news/article.cfm?c_id=363&objectid=10623790&ref=rss 23:12 gmcharlt for those who missed the meeting - http://koha-community.org/ has been set up as a temporary home away from home - domain is held by HLT, hosting of the Wordpress site by wizzyrea 22:46 pmlozeau chris: thanks! 22:44 chris yeah, but thats my homeserver so id rather it doesnt get linked to, but that we put it somewhere else :) 22:44 gmcharlt cool - does it get updated automatically / periodically? 22:43 chris pmlozeau: updated the address 22:43 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/manual_en/ 22:43 chris yeah i have a couple 22:43 brendan I think chris has got it on his site 22:43 brendan gmcharlt there is one 22:41 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 22:41 gmcharlt @later tell nengard is there a rendered HTML view of the Koha 3.2 docbook anywhere? might be something for you, BibLibre and/or brendan to set up quickly 22:30 chris hehe 22:30 * brendan goes back into hiding 22:30 brendan I know bad joke 22:30 brendan just missing the part where it says "bywater has programmed %XX of koha" 22:29 brendan thanks chris 22:29 chris hows that now brendan 22:25 brendan yup I need to update my phone number too -- (888) 900-8944 22:24 pmlozeau perfect 22:24 chris sure can 22:24 pmlozeau can I send it to you by email? I'll double check with Eric Begin 22:23 wizzyrea you can see why we like it 22:23 chris what would you like instead? 22:23 wizzyrea fyi, this is very much like how KLOW works 22:23 chris pmlozeau: you sure can 22:23 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ for using the event calendar function j^.^ 22:23 chris thanks braedon 22:23 braedon chris: i shall ask steven 22:23 pmlozeau Could we update our entry on the list? (I work for inLibro) 22:23 chris oh wait, we wanted to do it different 22:23 brendan hmm... can't add a patron category on - categorie.pl?op=add_form (for current 3.01.00.110) 22:23 chris what you do joe is make them ask, then ignore them for months 22:22 joetho ha ha ha ha 22:22 joetho make vendors ASK to be listed 22:22 chilts well done guys :) 22:22 chilts wow, that site is going up pretty fast :) 22:22 chris yup, no judgement implied at all :) 22:22 richard oooh it's alphabetical ;) 22:21 richard thanks chris 22:21 richard cool 22:21 chris richard: wanna drop me an email with what you want it to say, and ill make it so 22:21 chris braedon: ditto you guys 22:21 richard sure do 22:21 chris katipo wanna be on here http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ ? 22:20 richard hey chris 22:20 chris richard: you about? 22:18 pmlozeau hi chris 22:18 chris hi pmlozeau 22:14 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ 22:05 braedon yip :) 22:05 wizzyrea better? 22:04 wizzyrea ah ty, will look, tis just copy/paste 22:04 braedon wizzyrea: missing a <p> block around the Library Standards Compliant paragraph of the about page 22:03 wizzyrea we'll see, jo ;) 22:02 Jo wizzyrea: you are soooo clever :) 22:00 chilts message me your email and I'll add you, or chris can do it too 22:00 Jo I have a google account 21:59 chilts so either/or .... andychilton -at- gmail -dot- com 21:59 chilts Jo: yep ... but I can always give you access to update it yourself (if you have a Google Account)? 21:59 chris if you want 21:59 chris you can edit that page yourself Jo 21:58 Jo I have updates for the accommodation which I'd like to email you. 21:57 Jo chilts: are you doing the kohacon 2010 website? 21:57 schuster I'll stop mooing now. 21:57 schuster wizzyrea is a wizz... looking good... 21:46 * wizzyrea is not a plone fan 21:46 chris plone is a bit stink 21:46 chilts the old site is better than the Plone one :) 21:45 wizzyrea that is up to you 21:45 brendan I could switch one of my demo's to 3.0.5 for you if you want it 21:45 chris if there is anythign there you want 21:45 wizzyrea ohhh good call 21:45 chris http://old.koha.org/ is the old site, still up 21:44 chris :) 21:44 wizzyrea i r a thief 21:44 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/about/ 21:44 chris playing with translations 21:44 chris i have one but i break it daily 21:44 brendan I could get one up 21:44 brendan no - just HEAD 21:43 chris do you guys have a 3.0.5 demo running? 21:43 brendan yes 21:43 chris brendan: got a sec? 21:33 cait time to sleep here :) 21:33 owen quitting_time++ # for being now 21:33 wizzyrea bah, no nengard 21:32 chris_n bbl 21:32 cait imp++ # for being a nice person ;) 21:27 magnus good night, all - can't wait to see what the site will look like in the morning ;-) 21:27 owen I wonder if we should not be allowing patrons to delete suggestions which have been accepted? 21:25 owen chris, you can spread rumors about a violent outburst, many tears shed all around. 21:25 owen Now everyone will wonder what the negative karma was for 21:25 magnus hehe, someone had to do it... ;-) 21:25 chris hehe 21:25 wizzyrea there, just because 21:25 wizzyrea chris-- 21:25 wizzyrea chris__ 21:25 chilts slapped down :) 21:24 chilts yeah, saw that 21:24 chilts lol 21:24 munin chris: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 21:24 chris chris-- 21:24 chris including me slandering an entire nation 21:24 chilts just got excited there 21:24 chilts sorry 21:24 chilts righto ... :) 21:24 owen chilts: Read the meeting log for all the gory details 21:24 chilts ah, ok 21:24 chris chilts: its more a replacement partial site for www.koha.org 21:24 chilts wizzyrea++ 21:24 imp wizzyrea++ 21:24 chilts :) 21:24 wizzyrea thks :) 21:24 * chilts holds back 21:24 wizzyrea :) 21:24 wizzyrea still setting it up 21:24 wizzyrea not quite yet 21:23 chilts can we go and signup a new blog? 21:23 magnus wizzyrea++ 21:22 chris wizzyrea++ 21:22 * chilts still needs to read the meeting logs this morning 21:22 chilts sweet! :) 21:22 magnus_away it works! http://koha-community.org/ 21:09 braedon i'l have a read through on my lunch break. (two hours or so:( ) 21:08 Ropuch Looking through translation atm ;> 21:08 braedon Ropuch: ...oh. To google translate! 21:07 chris_n ahh... cool 21:07 owen chris_n: I just submitted a patch for it today 21:06 Ropuch But it's in polish 21:06 Ropuch braedon: http://bagno.be/koha/instalacja.html 21:06 chris_n owen: is the left menu in csv-profiles.pl messed up in your development install? 21:05 braedon link? 21:05 braedon haha 21:03 Ropuch I plan to do some tutorials with "My mom can do this" certificate 21:03 Ropuch Now I;'m working on part 1 - "Installing Ubuntu on VirtualBox for my mom" 21:02 chris :-) 21:01 * Ropuch has just finished writing 'Installing Koha for my mom' ;> 21:00 imp same here :D 20:59 Ropuch hehe 20:59 cait Ropuch: tell me if you find one :) 20:58 gmcharlt heh 20:58 owen Me too Ropuch 20:57 Ropuch gmcharlt: I wish some airlines would beg me for allowe them to take me to NZ ;> 20:57 * owen had a suggestions.managedon column instead of suggestions.manageddate too 20:54 schuster Wow wonder how that happened! 20:54 gmcharlt Jo: not surprising - for the upcoming Evergreen conference, the committee practically had hotels begging to host it 20:54 munin schuster: Karma for "schuster" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12. 20:54 schuster @karma schuster 20:54 cait chris probably deserves more... I forget about the karma thing most of the times when he helps me with something 20:54 Jo wow - playing hardball. with hotels is resulting iun some quite good accom discounts for KohaCon 2010 20:53 Vickiteal I agree with my Karma at 2 and Chris at 103. I'm grateful for the 2. 20:53 Vickiteal I stepped away from desk for a few minutes and there is all this stuff about mooing and karma. You guys are funny. 20:53 brendan joetho++ 20:50 cait started koha in my free time mostly - so it was cait , kf is my work self 20:50 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "joetho" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 20:50 wizzyrea @karma joetho 20:50 wizzyrea joetho++ for being awesome 20:50 munin joetho: joetho has neutral karma. 20:50 wizzyrea (and that sounds like a very existential statement) 20:50 joetho @karma joetho 20:50 wizzyrea I'm always getting confused 20:50 wizzyrea def 20:50 cait ok, I need to decide who I am 20:50 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "cait" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 20:50 wizzyrea @karma cait 20:50 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "kf" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 20:50 wizzyrea @karma kf 20:50 munin cait: cait kf has neutral karma. 20:50 cait @karma cait kf 20:50 chris probably deserve a -- for my crack about the US today tho 20:50 wizzyrea because you're awesome like that 20:49 munin joetho: Karma for "vickiteal" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 20:49 joetho @karma vickiteal 20:49 munin jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16. 20:49 jwagner @karma jwagner 20:49 brendan nice nothing negative about chris 20:49 munin brendan: Karma for "chris" has been increased 103 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 103. 20:49 brendan @karma chris 20:49 wizzyrea heh, we'll see soon enough >.> 20:49 cait :) 20:49 chris she deserves it 20:49 wizzyrea now that is just scary 20:48 munin joetho: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 47 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 47. 20:48 joetho @karma wizzyrea 20:44 hdl_laptop replace suggestioncreateddate by suggesteddate 20:44 hdl_laptop owen: in opac/opac-suggestion.pl 20:44 hdl_laptop owen: seen the bug 20:44 Ropuch ;> 20:44 wizzyrea pff, that is ;) 20:43 wizzyrea could have been even faster but you wanted MU. PF. 20:43 chris_n wizzyrea++ # nice :-) 20:43 wizzyrea way early, but koha-community.mykansaslibrary.org (working on the DNS now) 20:41 hdl_laptop hi indradg 20:40 * owen still doesn't see data in suggesteddate after adding a new suggestion 20:39 owen hdl_laptop: Database updates seem to be a weak point in the upgrade process. I must have skipped something by mistake. 20:38 hdl_laptop owen: ancient code was with suggestedon and not suggesteddate, I thought I had fixed any occurence of suggestedon. 20:38 cait why does schuster moo? 20:37 schuster schuster still mooing... people in the office looking at him funny... 20:36 * owen wonders how he got into this predicament 20:36 owen Well, I'm glad I asked :) 20:35 hdl_laptop owen should be suggesteddate 20:35 collum owen: suggestedon is not a column in my table. I have a date which is defined by a timestamp. 20:32 owen Can someone "select suggestedon from suggestions" and tell me if they're getting an dates? Looks to me like suggestion dates aren't stored 20:31 braedon chris_n: now that the meeting is over, apologies for not getting back to you yesterday. I will give the patch a try today, and see what happens 20:31 Jo sorry - was on phone 20:30 schuster Now if I could only get that stuff to print... Guess I'll have to give up until I can get to a higher release. 20:29 * owen gives schuster a "Moo!" in the meantime 20:28 jwagner I thought the meeting next week was on Wednesday. It's Tuesday? 20:28 wizzyrea they wanted MU, it takes a little longer ;) 20:28 schuster wizzyrea - I'm waiting to be wowed... ;) 20:27 owen Thanks chris_n 20:27 gmcharlt chris_n: you're right, it's 11:00 UTC+0 20:26 tajoli for wiki: Tuesday, 09 February 2010 at 11:00 UTC+0 20:25 chris_n gmcharlt: ? 20:25 chris_n 1100 UTC according to wiki 20:25 wizzyrea ty slef 20:25 slef wizzyrea: I'll msg it you 20:25 chris_n time is wrong maybe? 20:25 gmcharlt owen: yes 20:25 owen Is that correct? 20:25 brendan awesomeness@hlt 20:25 wizzyrea lol I can't find it >.< 20:24 wizzyrea jo: what's your email 20:24 slef damn, predictability 20:24 steven_tw hi chris 20:24 chris_n ;-) 20:24 * chris_n knew that was coming as soon as he hit <enter> 20:24 * slef runs 20:24 slef chris_n: USERS AND DEVELOPERS... I keep telling everyone ;-) 20:24 chris_n or maybe I should say development related 20:24 slef davi: CH meetings are about gathering materials with HLT 20:24 davi ok, thanks 20:23 chris_n the general is a developer meeting in reality 20:23 slef davi: that will be community handover. 20:23 chris_n community 20:23 davi What is the difference? 20:23 chris hiya steven_tw :) 20:23 davi Will be it a communitee meeting or and 'general' one? 20:23 slef Thanks all for participating and all the ideas shared freely. 20:22 slef Jo: yes. Do you need them before 25 Feb? 20:22 Jo thanks everyone 20:21 slef OK, meeting adjourned until 19:00 Tuesday 2 March 2010 and congratulations to collum sneaking on the attendee list! 20:21 gmcharlt +1 20:21 Jo someone will post notes for this meeting? 20:21 magnus +1 20:21 slef Jo: yes 20:21 collum ++ 20:21 Jo same time? 20:21 sekjal +1 20:21 thd ++ 20:21 tajoli +1 20:20 imp +1 20:20 hdl_laptop +1 to March,2 20:20 davi 19:00 ++ 20:20 chris_n +1 20:20 slef We have Tue 2 March suggested. 19:00? 20:20 davi +1 20:20 nengard +! 20:20 gmcharlt +1 to March 2 20:20 slef 6. Agree time of next meeting. 20:20 collum Oh. Is this still the meeting. - Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library :) 20:19 rosa yes I'm happy to help with stuff I know about 20:19 chris_n March 2? 20:19 Vickiteal Hah, hah schuster. 20:19 slef (except the date of next meeting?) 20:19 thd Rosalie++ 20:19 schuster Vickiteal is good with political goo and saying the right thing. 20:19 Jo how about Rosalie (who has probably sloped off into the garden) 20:19 slef OK, is there anything else left to decide right now? 20:18 Jo yippi! 20:18 Jo Rosalie is good at wordsmithing 20:18 Vickiteal Not that it matters, but just for the record I'm starting to warm up to this idea. 20:18 Jo Rosalie 20:18 wizzyrea jo: yep, sec 20:18 imp slef: ok, technical stuff later :) 20:17 Jo wizzyrea: can you flick me an email please 20:17 davi Sharon++ 20:17 * wizzyrea is going to use wpmu, but it will take a few minutes longer, and require some DNS configuration 20:17 davi or we want to track downloads? 20:17 Sharon who is best at wordsmithing? The tone of the explanation for the creation of this site will be very important, so as not to piss off anyone 20:17 slef imp: let's walk for the alpha/beta, run for the release? 20:16 davi bittorrent advised too 20:16 imp slef: can we make a continent based round robin? 20:16 chris sounds good to me 20:16 davi checked via GPGsign 20:16 wizzyrea nengard fair enough 20:16 davi yep 20:16 slef ok, so we'll let everyone mirror, link them all and put verification instructions on the download page? 20:15 thd I thought so but was not certain it happened that way 20:15 Jo I did. 20:15 gmcharlt at least, not on git.koha.org directly - we no longer have shell access 20:15 chris_n thd: Jo purchased it 20:14 slef hdl_laptop: no, but better than no info. 20:14 nengard wizzyrea - temp yes - but i see it as us moving it to koha.org when we have that domain 20:14 gmcharlt slef: alas, no 20:14 slef magnus: on a related note, can gmcharlt or hdl_laptop run git pack on git.koha.org to make a tarball there? 20:14 thd please also ensure that domain control is transferred to HLT 20:14 hdl_laptop slef: would not be accurate since download.koha.org competed with that 20:14 wizzyrea yes, but this is temp, nengard, remember ;) 20:14 nengard so exciting 20:14 nengard with MU we can easily create sites with subdomains - like docs.koha-community.org etc 20:14 wizzyrea brb, afk one min 20:13 slef can hdl_laptop tell us any download stats for the release hosted on koha-fr.org? 20:13 wizzyrea whoever bought it and wants to put in the server info PM me plz 20:13 magnus could we encourage people to get the alpha from git, to ease load on download servers? 20:13 nengard awesome 20:13 nengard hehe 20:13 wizzyrea I"m already to the point of configuring the DNS so... 20:13 wizzyrea instead of 5 20:12 wizzyrea longer = 15 minutes :P 20:12 slef wizzyrea: I have a wordpress mu git tree which I could upload to the host 20:12 wizzyrea nengard: that would take longer but I'm open to that 20:12 slef imp: we don't have access to downloads.koha.org stats to know, I think. 20:11 slef gmcharlt: ok, thanks. Git does this stuff for me automatically now. 20:11 hdl_laptop and there are md5summ also 20:11 imp some stats around, how many downloads / traffic it causes per month? 20:11 hdl_laptop releases are gpg signed 20:11 gmcharlt slef: releases are supposed to be signed with checksums 20:11 nengard wizzyrea - may I recommend wordpressmu ... then we can have a blog for the newsletter and one for koha news and one for ... etc etc etc 20:11 cait I have to ask about it 20:11 slef Are releases GPG-signed? And there should be an md5sum on the www download page. 20:11 slef ok, mirrorers? I think software.coop has some problem with mirroring just now, but biblibre is in the same country as us. 20:10 gmcharlt I think anybody who wants to run a mirror and who can do so should be allowed to 20:10 richard wordpress would be nice and quick 20:10 chris_n maybe those willing to host mirrors should contact wizzyrea directly? 20:10 nengard wordpress++ 20:10 Jo a mirror on each continent would be good 20:10 gmcharlt wordpress++ 20:10 cait wordpress++ 20:10 wizzyrea yes 20:10 gmcharlt I think the main thing left is to organize download mirrors 20:10 slef but everyone who wants to help, contact wizzyrea! 20:10 cait wizzyrea++ 20:10 Jo slef +1 20:10 wizzyrea I can do wp super ez 20:09 slef wizzyrea: if you're using something I know (like wordpress, django, static html, or whatever), I'll do my damnedest to help, now I've opened my mouth. 20:09 Jo so we have a domain, a partial wwebsite going up, what else? 20:09 schuster (a Texas favorite...:)) 20:09 wizzyrea I can do that super fast, and you all are wizards so if I need help you know who I'll be asking 20:09 schuster wordpress++ 20:09 schuster wizzyrea++ - gmcharlt - aplpha, beta, final! 20:09 owen slef++ # for offering too 20:09 imp wizzyrea++ 20:09 magnus wizzyrea++ 20:09 chris wordpress would work fine, with the widgets and stuff 20:09 Ropuch wizzyrea++ 20:09 sekjal wizzyrea++ 20:09 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ 20:09 hdl_laptop wizzyrea++ 20:09 Jo (slef: that was a hasty retreat :) 20:09 chris_n wordpress wizard 20:08 thd wizzyrea++ 20:08 Jo wizzyrea+ 20:08 gmcharlt I am willing to help organize as well, but my priority is going to be getting the alpha out 20:08 owen wizzyrea++ 20:08 * slef withdraws, quickly 20:08 chris_n wizzyrea++ 20:08 * wizzyrea ducks 20:08 slef wizzyrea! 20:08 wizzyrea <- is willing 20:08 slef OK, I volunteer, but davi and mjkaye may flame me for that because I also have 1001 tasks backed up. 20:08 Jo does anyone want to volunteer to organise this 20:08 chris yeah i have about a trillion things to do 20:08 Ropuch damn ;> 20:08 Ropuch Jo__ 20:08 Ropuch Jp++ 20:08 Jo not Chris or me (we are trying to go live with 3.) 20:08 davi After having it, announce it 20:08 thd Jo++ 20:08 magnus Jo++ 20:07 Jo and then we replace it over the next few weeks 20:07 slef ok, anyone else? 20:07 Jo I quite like the idea of having a temp site up in half an hour using kea 20:07 owen Sorry folks, it's not a good time for me to take that job :( 20:06 chris_n then offers could be vetted by that person 20:06 slef yes, who wants to organise... I saw someone try to put owen's hand up 20:06 davi bittorrent++ 20:06 chris_n why don't we appoint someone to head this up? 20:06 davi ack thd 20:06 * braedon chimes in that he has some bandwidth going to waste if it is needed 20:06 hdl_laptop we could host mirrors here at biblibre 20:06 * wizzyrea volunteers to mirror 20:06 slef can we organise a bittorrent to make downloads lighter on the hoster? 20:06 Jo mirrors +1 20:06 gmcharlt (also, mirrors in east asia, europe, and north america would be desirable anyway) 20:06 thd davi: The bad publicity of trying to stop the community would be a strong caution against any unfortunate action 20:05 chris_n gmcharlt took my words :-) 20:05 cait cant we make something like differnt mirrors for download? 20:05 khall why not use sourceforge for hosting downloads? 20:05 Jo we happy to but can't carry a financial burden 20:05 wizzyrea We are in EC2 with our server 20:05 imp erm, afaik, it's ok to use a trademark, as long as you are using it /right/. so you can use cola-critic, if write critical stuff on it, but not just for "fun" 20:05 gmcharlt so in particular, if anybody is willing to participate by running mirrors of the downlaods, that might be great 20:05 davi ack thd. I thought only postfix would be a problem, not prefix 20:05 slef five offers of hosting, three offers of platforms 20:05 wizzyrea bandwidth is always a cost 20:05 Jo I'm open to software.coop 20:05 gmcharlt main thing that anybody offering to host shoudl keep in mind that with release of 3.2 alpha and 3.0.6, there will be a fair amount of bulk download traffic 20:05 thd davi: koha anything or anything koha could be an issue but I do not think that it is a real problem at the present time 20:04 Jo Chris: is there a cost we will have to carry? 20:04 slef ok, so we have two suggestions so far... I'll throw in my own suggestion of hosting with software.coop and/or using django-blocks. 20:04 gmcharlt agreed 20:04 chris_n Jo: makes sense 20:04 Jo impartial / non-inflammatory etc 20:04 wizzyrea if you have the server space and can, HLT would be best imo 20:04 nengard hlt makes sense to me 20:04 Jo should hlt host it 20:04 chris i wasnt suggesting we use kea, we can just trigger it somewhere and have a full site in 15 mins 20:04 davi Jo, thd, I think koha-community.org would clash with trademark, not not libKoha,org What do you think thd? 20:04 chris_n brendan++ 20:04 chris no 20:03 wizzyrea NEKLS could host it 20:03 slef (is Kea FOSS?) 20:03 thd slef: I was merely referring to expedience 20:03 nengard why not throw wordpress on a server and put up the pages necessary then we can easily give everyone rights to edit things 20:03 nengard my problem is that the old site is a static html site 20:03 hdl_laptop Jo++ 20:03 slef thd: personally, it would be nice not to have to use Kea, but it is up to those doing the work IMO. 20:03 magnus Jo++ 20:03 chris the old site still exists in kea 20:03 owen Jo++ 20:03 Jo koha-community.org 20:03 chris_n Jo++ 20:03 slef we have one offer of hosting 20:03 thd can we not just easily use or adapt the old pre-Plone website? 20:03 Jo all done. 20:03 davi For example, we have to ask to user GNU Herds, but not to use Herds of GNUs 20:03 brendan we can host it too 20:02 * chris_n nominates owen 20:02 nengard i have room on my server for another site 20:02 davi so libKoha would be ok 20:02 wizzyrea and who wants to hoste it 20:02 davi thd, As I understand tradermarsk, prefix *koha is allowed, but not koha* postfix 20:02 slef ok, so we have a domain - who wants to organise the development? 20:01 richard schuster, liblime have never bought or have any financial interest in katipo 20:01 thd slef: yes but not as safe as *koha*.fr 20:01 slef thd: are there particular rules for .org which put it at risk? 20:01 chris ll never bought katipo 20:01 * richard tunes in 20:01 chris schuster: pretty much dont believe anything you read on the LL website 20:00 slef thd: sorry, descriptive use. 20:00 chris hell no 20:00 chris schuster: what???? 20:00 slef thd: as long as we do not sell off the back of it, it is honest use 20:00 davi thd, ah, I see 20:00 schuster chris - that's owned by LL too technically isn't it? 20:00 chris_n have what? 20:00 Jo ok - I have it 20:00 owen Jo, are you looking now at freeparking.co.nz? 20:00 wizzyrea Ack 19:59 slef owen: got it? 19:59 thd davi: *koha*.org would always be at risk as long as the community does not hold the trademark . 19:59 * owen stops clicking 19:59 chris so you can grab it there 19:59 chris they are better than domainz too 19:59 chris jo: freeparking.co.nz has it available 19:59 Jo trust until people prove to be untrustworthy 19:59 wizzyrea owen++ 19:59 chris schuster: why? 19:59 owen Yes 19:58 chris_n owen: doing it? 19:58 schuster I'm actually shocked that the IRC and discussion lists are still running with Katipo personally... 19:58 davi thd, noted, but it would not clash with libKoha.org 19:58 Jo for us 19:58 Jo Owen: can you buy it please 19:58 thd davi: LibLime hold the US trademark at the moment 19:57 chris_n says it is 19:57 gmcharlt ok, if somebody just bought it for the benefit of HLT, please speak up NOW 19:57 owen It says available to me 19:57 chris_n http://www.whois.net/whois/koha-community.org 19:57 Jo i can grab .net 19:57 imp slef: right, same here 19:57 slef 19:57 slef NOT FOUND 19:57 slef ; whois koha-community.org 19:57 davi Who have it? 19:57 thd I do not think that is a present concern but we should not forget about that risk long term 19:57 slef heh 19:57 Jo koha-community.org is not available 19:57 Jo http://www.domainz.net.nz/purchasewizard/SearchPage.aspx?DomainNameSearch=koha-community.org 19:56 thd Remember that a .org domain could always be at risk of being captured by the US trademark holder 19:56 slef go for it 19:56 slef ok, I'm a minority of 1. 19:56 davi koha-community.org looks better 19:56 magnus koha-community.org 19:56 wizzyrea thd: you had an issue? 19:56 sekjal koha-community.org 19:56 brendan koha-community.org 19:56 schuster koha-community.org 19:56 Ropuch koha-community.org 19:56 chris to koha-community.org 19:56 collum koha-community.org 19:56 rosa koha-community.org 19:56 hdl_laptop koha-community.org 19:56 wizzyrea koha-community.org 19:56 Sharon koha-community.org 19:56 chris +1 19:56 slef libkoha.org 19:56 Jo koha-community.org 19:56 imp koha-community.org 19:56 chris_n koha-community.org 19:56 * owen votes koha-community.org 19:56 gmcharlt koha-community.org 19:55 cait koha-community.org 19:55 slef ok, votes! koha-community.org, libkoha.org or kohalms.org 19:55 thd I think that we should consider one issue first 19:55 Jo I hate kohalms 19:55 hdl_laptop kohaworld.org 19:55 cait +1 19:55 nengard kohalms.org 19:55 Sharon kohalms sounds like 'alms for the poor' 19:55 imp +1 19:55 wizzyrea +1 19:55 davi gmcharlt++ 19:55 Jo +1 19:55 Ropuch gmcharlt++ 19:55 chris_n seconded 19:55 gmcharlt I move that we vote between koha-community.org, libkoha.org, and kohalms.org 19:55 cait magnus: lol 19:55 tirabo kohasite.org is available 19:54 schuster The teacher in Jo comes out I see... 19:54 slef 3 options... any other good ones? 19:54 slef davi: already wrote that... 19:54 wizzyrea thd :D 19:54 thd wizzyrea: :) 19:54 imp magnus: :D 19:54 Jo (sit down Magnus) 19:54 davi libKoha.org 19:54 magnus one koha to rule them all! 19:54 slef koha-community.org, libkoha.org, kohalms.org and what else? We're keen on being in .org I think. 19:54 rosa koha-community.org because it starts with koha (important) and is straightforward 19:54 Sharon onetruekoha.org 19:54 gmcharlt libkoha.org 19:54 wizzyrea well you can't beat koha.org for that 19:54 davi magnus, We can add a subtible at libkoha.org with "Community" word 19:53 thd wizzyrea: think about length and the difficulty of typing accurately also 19:53 gmcharlt kohalms.org 19:53 * owen puts away his wallet 19:53 gmcharlt Jo: koha-community.org is one 19:53 Ropuch ;> 19:53 slef yes, please don't all go buying domain names for HLT 19:53 Jo can someone please list the serious contenders for a domain name 19:53 magnus i think koha-community.org or some varient thereof would emphasise nicely the fact that this is the community taking control 19:53 gmcharlt *only one Koha 19:53 Jo then i;ll buy to save transferring it 19:53 owen I prefer koha-community.org because I think "community koha" is a derogatory term invented by LibLime 19:53 gmcharlt actually, I would prefer that it not be communitykoha.org - there is one one Koha 19:53 Jo lets settle on the name now. 19:52 davi hdl_laptop, Do you want I buy libKoha.org now? Else who would buy it? 19:52 wizzyrea communitykoha.org is available 19:52 davi Jo; Do you want I buy libKoha.org now? Else who would buy it? 19:52 slef anyway, I'm sure that one sucks... do we have a clear domain leader yet? 19:52 hdl_laptop davi: it is a tough idea 19:52 thd whatever domain we choose we could have other good choices point at the one being used 19:52 chris_n lol 19:52 Sharon communitykoha.org 19:52 chris heh 19:52 slef another silly idea: kohaC4.org 19:51 Jo davi: i likke it 19:51 davi :) 19:51 rosa full 19:51 slef davi: Machiavelli. 19:51 davi libKoha.org would add confusion to lib-koha for PTFS, and so would be good for us 19:51 wizzyrea ;) 19:51 wizzyrea no no we like it when you talk Jo 19:51 cait full 19:51 thd partial for now 19:51 slef The partials have it? 19:51 Jo ok - i'll lie down now an dbe quiet 19:51 Jo lol 19:51 brendan partial - downloads and community information 19:51 magnus partial 19:51 schuster partial 19:51 wizzyrea partial 19:51 collum partial 19:51 hdl_laptop partial 19:51 imp partial 19:51 chris_n partial 19:51 owen partial 19:50 gmcharlt partial 19:50 sekjal partial 19:50 Sharon I think partial leaves the door open to getting koha.org back 19:50 nengard full 19:50 gmcharlt LMS works for USians too, although it's not as common 19:50 Jo full 19:50 nengard i'm had US libraries call it a LMS 19:50 davi full 19:50 slef partial IMO 19:50 Jo and also settle on a domian name 19:50 slef ok, votes! partial or full? 19:50 slef kohaLMS.org is also free, but maybe that is UKish 19:50 Jo can we vote on whether a partial or full website please 19:49 slef owen: we can register it for them if not. These are details. 19:49 cait Jo++ 19:49 Jo have my creditcard in hand :) 19:49 davi I like libKoha,org It is free yet 19:49 Jo yes. 19:49 owen Is HLT in a position right now to register a domain? 19:49 gmcharlt chris: is there a suitable maori expression for "Koha For All" or the like that might make a suitable domain? 19:49 Jo my preference is a near full subsitute website 19:49 Sharon +1 19:49 slef So, this is my understanding: a limited website with a clear explanation of why it exists, on a domain with HLT as the registrant and admin contact? 19:48 thd As Vickiteal stated, PTFS is concentrating attention on other issues 19:48 wizzyrea and when we know for sure, we can work out the logistics of it then 19:48 davi They are free 19:48 wizzyrea chris: then we are doing the right thing getting a new domain 19:48 davi What about get lib-koha.org and or libKoha.org ? 19:48 owen If I were PTFS I'd rather transfer ownership of the domain than deal with the practicalities of granting outsiders access. 19:48 chris but i dont think that without a promise, we can delay even longer 19:48 slef Jo: "the substitue domain be held by or transferred to HLT" 19:48 Jo gmcharlt: yes. HLT will absolutely accept it. Committed to supporting the kopha community 19:48 wizzyrea chris: i'm not sure that it has been decided by them :( 19:47 chris then none of this has to happen 19:47 chris so if we could get PTFS to say "After the deal is concluded we will restore access rights to the community to the www.koha.org website" 19:47 Jo can someone please clarify exactly what is it we are all in agreement to :) 19:47 gmcharlt Jo: will HLT accept it - particular given that this is something that I think that we'll want to set up quickly? 19:47 chris_n would HLT handle the setup of the new site? 19:47 davi :P 19:47 thd gmcharlt: that is essential 19:47 imp +1 19:47 slef davi: yes, PTFS. Use whois to check them. 19:47 owen +1 19:47 tajoli +1 19:47 chris_n gmcharlt++ 19:46 slef gmcharlt++ 19:46 wizzyrea +1 19:46 Sharon as long as we're transparent with the intent of the new site, I see no problem 19:46 thd chris: I agree 19:46 wizzyrea +! 19:46 davi Is KohaLib.org taken? 19:46 gmcharlt I move that however the substitue domain is acquired, that it be held or transferred to HLT 19:46 thd chris_n++ 19:46 imp i would try to avoid using domainnames just differing by a "-" in the middle 19:46 chris as long as they are silent, they are in effect dangling a sword over us 19:46 Jo and that it is ideally a temporary measure until we get koha.org back 19:46 thd slef: thank you, I like that answer 19:46 chris problem solved 19:46 wizzyrea I know of at least 4 customers of LL that have told PTFS that they want the assets transferred back to the community 19:46 chris if PTFS said, as soon as the deal is concluded, you can edit the website again 19:45 chris_n thd: a clear explanation on the main page should do to defuse concern 19:45 imp jo++ 19:45 Jo thank you Vicki 19:45 slef thd: if they do, then that would speak volumes. 19:45 Vickiteal PTFS is not holding you ransom. It is LL. 19:45 slef thd: I think as long as we're clear that we're putting a minimal site live because there is stale info on a site we have no access too, they shouldn't see it as agression. 19:45 wizzyrea davi: there was a big kerfuffle about it 19:45 Jo lets get on with a new site, host oit on a new domian and shift it back when'if we can 19:45 thd chris_n: I would not hesitate except for the prospect of a change of control 19:45 davi ah 19:45 imp davi: Created On:31-Mar-2009 03:07:26 UTC 19:44 Jo we don't ned to be held to ransom here by PTFS. 19:44 davi here 19:44 davi I proposed it some week ago? 19:44 davi imp: When they got it? ! 19:44 Jo having info spread over a number of sites isn't especially organised or 'together' 19:44 Sharon I agree with Jo 19:44 chris_n thd: he who hesitates is lost.... 19:44 davi :P 19:44 imp davi: koha-lib.org belongs to ptfs 19:44 davi kohaLib.org 19:44 Jo i think we need to show that the koha community is a 'together' thing who knows what its doing. 19:44 chris slef: i just want a place that has accurate information about the latest version 19:44 slef kohaHQ.org? 19:44 thd I worry that actually making a new website live might be interpreted as a message of aggression by PTFS when they have not had an opportunity to respond from a position of control 19:43 davi koha-community.org also good 19:43 cait Jo++ 19:43 slef Thinking back, one problem with koha-community.org is will people look there for downloads and vendors, or only for support/chat? 19:43 sekjal alright, sounds good 19:43 davi koha-lib.org 19:43 wizzyrea limited-purpose_website++ 19:43 Jo then shift it over to the koha.org if / when we get the domain back 19:43 chris_n we install a redirect when/if we get the main domain back 19:43 chris limited purpose for now 19:43 chris ditto 19:43 Jo so why not get the new site up and ruinning on whatever new domian we settle on 19:43 gmcharlt I favor slef's suggestion of a limited-purpose website for now 19:42 nengard okay 19:42 Jo we don't have to rebrand as such, buyt we will need a whole new website regardless 19:42 slef and so on 19:42 chris_n sekjal: this would not be rebranding atm 19:42 slef we put link it from the listinfo pages 19:42 wizzyrea not to mention that a homepage that explains what's going on and what has happened could be an effective leverage tool :P 19:42 slef nengard: for example, we all link it from our library mailing list sigs, which will appear on lists.koha.org 19:42 gmcharlt we can rely on marketing to educate Google 19:42 sekjal I'm inclined to be patient while PTFS figures things out. We of course request whatever action is possible, but moving to rebrand is a lot of work to undertake if we're just going to get koha.org back again later. 19:42 hdl_laptop cait++ 19:42 slef nengard: we market it. koha.org is not actively marketed at the moment, as far as I understand it. 19:42 gmcharlt nengard: I think a homepage to explain what's going on would suffice 19:42 chris_n slef++ 19:42 collum slef++ 19:42 schuster slef++ 19:41 thd slef: I understand that we could easily reproduce the old pre-plone website 19:41 cait will we keep the koha.org website when we get the domain or will we need a new site anyway? 19:41 Ropuch slef++ 19:41 nengard okay - tell me if i'm going off track - but if we don't do the whole site how the heck do we let people who know nohtng about koha koha that there is a diff site for downloads and support? 19:41 indradg slef: ++ 19:41 magnus slef++ 19:41 slef I think we should keep it simple for now: download, links, manual. What do others think? 19:40 wizzyrea the things we can't fiddle with 19:40 Sharon I think be hopeful and work on the assumption that koha.org will come back to us eventually 19:40 nengard in my opinion 19:40 wizzyrea I think you probably want the download, and the pay for support 19:40 gmcharlt or wait until we know the final disposition of the LL/PTFS sale 19:40 nengard gmcharlt i htink that's what we have to do - an entire site - there is way too much out of date and unreliable info 19:40 gmcharlt just pieces of it (e.g., download) 19:40 thd gmcharlt++ 19:40 imp owen: i know it's free ;) 19:40 Sharon koha-community.org+ 19:40 gmcharlt do we set up a whole alternative website now? 19:40 slef gmcharlt: which is? 19:40 wizzyrea koha-community.org++ 19:40 Jo +1 19:40 gmcharlt there a lot of potential domains containing the word koha that we could - I suggest we go back to the bigger question 19:40 nengard me too 19:40 chris yeah .org would be my preference 19:40 wizzyrea i do like koha-community.org 19:39 wizzyrea ooh, nengard also with a good one 19:39 owen koha-community.org too imp 19:39 nengard kohails.net is 19:39 nengard chris_n koha.net is not avail 19:39 tajoli koha.net is used 19:39 imp owen: why .com and not .org? 19:39 slef owen: kohaworld.com too 19:39 wizzyrea owen 19:39 wizzyrea ooh, I like that 19:39 owen koha-community.com seems to be available 19:39 slef blimey... I must have typod it earlier 19:38 chris heh 19:38 slef chris_n: is that available? 19:38 indradg Jo++ 19:38 * wizzyrea roars with bestial vigor 19:38 chris_n koha.net? 19:38 Jo (it sounds like a call to arms thouggh ... a Braveheart thing) 19:38 Jo i like freekoha too 19:38 gmcharlt we could keep it limited for now, perhaps do koha-download.org to substitute for download.koha.org 19:38 nengard no one owns it 19:38 slef koha.something or kohaSomething.gtld would be better 19:38 nengard freekoha is avail 19:38 Jo its an interim name 19:38 chris yeah im not super partial to it either 19:37 cait i have koha-support.de - not used 19:37 slef I hate openkoha. 19:37 thd I expect that we would not have long to wait for the deal to be completed 19:37 imp chris: sounds fine 19:37 magnus openkoha.org is on friendly hands 19:37 Jo i like openkoha 19:37 slef koha-fr.org is good but probably should remain in French? 19:37 chris thomas brevik has openkoha 19:37 wizzyrea last friday 19:37 wizzyrea we just got word that it will be an extra 2 weeks 19:37 slef Anyone here got a nice koha domain already, or shall we go searching/buying? 19:37 hdl_laptop koha-fr.org is for kohala 19:37 thd The announcement had been that the deal would be completed by the beginning of February 19:37 Jo absolutely agree 19:36 Jo wizzyrea: we can handle that 19:36 nengard Jo nothing - i think we should ask - but we need an alternative option as well 19:36 wizzyrea more disappointment 19:36 slef PTFS has koha-ils.org still 19:36 thd We should at least wait until PTFS has effective control when the deal is completed 19:36 Jo what do we lose by asking ? 19:36 slef Who has what nice koha domain? 19:36 Jo and we need a way to function effectively 19:36 chris_n PTFS *could* exercise a deal of force on LL to give us access, however 19:36 slef So we've asked LL for access before and not got it. 19:36 nengard Okay - so I think we need to set up a home for an up to date koha site 19:36 Jo yep. and the koha community is bigger than PTFS 19:36 nengard chris - HEY! Don't blame the whole country!! 19:35 Vickiteal All I'm saying is PTFS has no control over the web site and they have other things they are worrying about now. 19:35 Jo yep. 19:35 nengard trying ot come up with a way to fix things 19:35 chris seriously, the US is causing a big mess for the rest of the world, and its getting old 19:35 nengard we're problem solving 19:35 nengard Vickiteal - i think that we're asking for something necessary - not degrading the conversation 19:35 thd slef: you can get access if access is granted or control is transferred 19:35 chris my patience with this situation is rapidly wearing thin 19:35 Jo I'd say they would probably accept it as an interim soluition 19:35 chris ppl are installing old versions of software because thats what the website points to 19:35 Vickiteal This conversation is rapidly degrading. 19:35 nengard slef it's not a law thing - it's a who owns the server thing 19:34 gmcharlt slef: it would boil down to LL alone agreeing, until they are bought 19:34 Jo it would forestall a rename / rebrand / relaunch 19:34 slef imp: too long, contains a - 19:34 slef Vickiteal: you may know US law more than most of us. If both PTFS and LL agree, can't we get access? 19:34 chris this is freaking retarded 19:34 Jo my thoughts exactly 19:34 imp .oO(whois koha-community.org -> not found) 19:34 chris_n Jo++ 19:34 chris i mean cmon 19:34 chris Vickiteal: they surely have some influence, im sure they could say, joshua stop being a dick 19:34 tajoli As CILEA we have www.koha.it 19:34 Jo well lets ask LL and PTFS jointly 19:34 imp how about a (second) domain, which can be used later for user based stuff (manual, ...) and maybe use it for everything / as second domain for specific stuff if we get the othre one back? 19:34 wizzyrea 2nd vickiteal 19:34 hdl_laptop Jo++ 19:34 sekjal could we make it a point to update Wikipedia to the most correct info? 19:33 slef well, most of the wiki 19:33 Vickiteal PTFS does not own LL yet. They cannot give you access to the web site. 19:33 sekjal just did a quick Google search on 'koha'. Second relevant hit is Wikipedia 19:33 Jo ok. 19:33 slef Jo: we have the wiki. We don't have www. 19:33 nengard chris++ 19:33 wizzyrea when it is legally theirs then we can ask 19:33 Ropuch chris++ 19:33 Jo so is that an option: we ask PTFS for editing rights to the wiki 19:33 magnus but LL aren't going to give up anything now, are they? and PTFS isn't really in a position to hand anything over as long as the deal is not finalized, i would think? 19:33 chris for crying out loud 19:33 chris i hardly think that is asking much 19:33 thd At this point, the deal is not yet even closed. 19:33 chris they could at least let someone edit the website while they consider 19:33 wizzyrea they do have an awful lot to consider. 19:33 slef nengard: then we keep all the search engine juice. 19:33 Jo I would suggest that we can't wait another 3 months 19:32 wizzyrea thd++ 19:32 thd I am stating that we should give PTFS a chanc to consider their position 19:32 chris i dont 19:32 nengard and then set up redirects if things change? 19:32 nengard so then chris don't you have a koha domain - can we start using that? 19:32 slef chris: well, not in the immediate. 19:32 wizzyrea I would say that PTFS is asking LL clients lots of questions 19:32 thd no slef 19:32 slef nengard: not really. We just Redirect permanent one site to the other. 19:32 schuster Jo - when you make your next contact you may want to point out those specifics to John Y and Patrick J - so they are aware how heavily the community used to rely on LibLime - they may not be aware that they are holding us up. 19:32 slef chris: I think thd is taking that as a signal that PTFS won't change things. 19:32 Jo agreed 19:32 nengard slef - silly if we do eventaully get koha.org back 19:31 chris so its not full of lies 19:31 chris all i want is the website back in community control 19:31 Jo we can get the word out between us 19:31 wizzyrea I think there needs to be at least a secondary hosting spot. The further out of date koha.org gets the more likely people are to look for more up to date info 19:31 slef Difficult, not silly. 19:31 chris if ppl wanna let themselves be locked in, so be it 19:31 nengard i would say we could register a new domain or use someone elses' for a while - but that's silly because all links go to koha.org 19:31 chris i dont care 2 cents about LLEK 19:31 thd from the press conference: PTFS will not change LLEK while evaluating it for 3 months. Does not say anything about trademarks and domains but calls for patience. 19:31 Jo so do we have options to consider? 19:30 nengard and the newsletter 19:30 hdl_laptop it surely is 19:30 slef some of it we can update (wiki), some of it we have limited updates (bugs) and others are stuck 19:30 gmcharlt Jo: it's an ongoing problem, yes 19:30 nengard I have the manual to publish 19:30 owen Definitely a problem. 19:30 nengard It's a big problem 19:30 Jo that seems to be a poblem for the community, or am i overstating this? 19:30 chris yeah and the website sitll points to 3.0.4 .. and we cant list zeno etc 19:30 slef and koha.org remains pickled until then 19:30 Jo listing for paid support etc 19:30 Jo regarding access to thedomain 19:30 Jo this could easily go on for 3 months 19:30 Jo what can we do / should we do in the interim. 19:30 slef ok, go on 19:29 Jo 1 moment 19:29 slef 6. Agree time of next meeting. 19:29 slef So let's wrap up so you can all gossip about who is hosting who in a mo: 19:29 Jo I suspect its going to be a long drawn out affair 19:29 slef OK, so "Next issues if negotiations have concluded." - they haven't. 19:29 chris shes going it alone rather than stick with the crud 19:29 wizzyrea i.e. she hasn't paid for the next 10 months of support 19:28 nengard that i knew 19:28 chris yeah 19:28 wizzyrea well, she's voting with her payout 19:28 Jo I think HLT should contact PTFS again in a month - no point any sooner, 19:28 slef No-one has anything to add about unresolved negotiations? 19:28 nengard chris - she did?? 19:28 chris lee from montana voted with her feet also 19:28 wizzyrea NPL++ 19:28 hdl_laptop NPL++ 19:27 owen We were lucky to be in a position to do so. I know others might if their situation was different. 19:27 nengard NPL++ 19:27 indradg NPL++ 19:27 indradg N 19:27 cait NPL++ 19:27 slef chris_n++ 19:27 magnus owen++ 19:27 chris_n NPL++ 19:27 chris_n owen++ 19:27 Jo NPL ++++ 19:27 Jo The lack of access to the domain name is a real bummer 19:27 owen NPL has voted with our feet :) 19:27 slef exyliadics of het wordl, untie! 19:26 Jo sorry - ll / ptfs clients 19:26 * chris_n moves that we wait for the transaction to complete/fail 19:26 Jo yep 19:26 thd Jo did you mean customers? 19:26 slef I guess we're now opening it to the floor. What do we do? Keep waiting how long after the sale completes, do you think? 19:26 slef 4. Possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations. 19:25 Jo I have nothing more 19:25 Jo I think that it is vcritical for LL / PTFS to express their opinions to PTFS 19:25 Jo +1 19:25 slef Is there any more to report on the status of negotiations or shall we move on? 19:24 wizzyrea I know that we have expressed to the leadership our desire that the assets be returned to the community 19:24 Jo and that is certainly the message I have been given: no decisions made 19:24 * chris_n imagines its hard to make decisions before a sale is final at any rate 19:24 wizzyrea NEKLS has not had any particular inkling of what they plan to do with the domain names/trademarks 19:24 thd I could report from the public statements at the press conference that PTFS has not decided many questions 19:24 indradg ok 19:24 chris_n +1 19:24 gmcharlt agreed 19:23 chris i certainly don't 19:23 Jo so the upshot is that we need to wait for the Americans to ghet their act together :) 19:23 slef Do we expect that anything will happen before the sale completes? 19:23 wizzyrea jwagner++ for clearing that up :) 19:23 thd I attended the PTFS press conference at ALA Midwinter 19:23 schuster boy she had that statement typed up and ready to go! 19:23 slef I bow to others' knowledge of PTFS structure, but I'm always saddened by non-autonomous workers. 19:23 hdl_laptop thanks jwagner 19:23 Jo Cheers Jane. 19:22 owen Thanks jwagner 19:22 schuster The sale is not final yet between LibLime and PTFS - probably another 2 weeks. 19:22 Jo John basically said said wait and see 19:22 jwagner (1) No decisions can be made until the sale is final (which it isn't yet). (2) These decisions will be made above our pay grade. (3) We are not authorized to speak for the company, and are still under an NDA. 19:22 Jo fair enough. 19:22 chris all doing so woudl do, would be to get themselves in trouble 19:22 Jo sure... it was a suggestion 19:21 chris Jo: i dont think that is fair to anyone from PTFS present, they dont have any authority to speak 19:21 jwagner To forestall this and other questions, I'll repeat what I said the day the sale was announced. 19:21 cait biblibre++ 19:21 thd chris_n: slef should speak for himself but his conflict is not really opposed as far as I know. 19:21 slef nengard: ;-) 19:21 Jo Maybe someone from PTFS might like to comment? 19:21 nengard ?? 19:21 Jo HLT has also written to John Yokley twice reminding him about the community wishes for the koha domain and trademark and that we look forwarding to working with him 19:21 slef nengard: you cannot modify your own karma! 19:21 nengard biblibre++ 19:20 magnus biblibre++ 19:20 chris_n right 19:20 slef chris_n: it depends. Let us discuss that another time. 19:20 davi biblibre++ 19:20 wizzyrea biblibre++ 19:20 chris_n slef: surely you support this move 19:20 sekjal biblibre++, indeed 19:20 thd biblibre++ 19:20 Jo actually they carfrying all the costs 19:20 slef I have a conflict of interest, but that is only a point of information. 19:20 chris_n Biblibre++ 19:20 Jo unasked and at no cost :) 19:19 brendan biblibre++ 19:19 slef note: trademark application 19:19 * wizzyrea cheers 19:19 Jo Biblibre and HLT have signed and submitted the documentation for tranferfring the EU trademark over to HLT. 19:19 chris back 19:19 slef sorry - please fill us in 19:18 Jo yep :) 19:18 slef Is this Jo again? 19:18 * hdl_laptop Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre SARL 19:18 slef 3. Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains. 19:18 slef ok, moving on 19:18 thd davi: That is actually covered in some language in the draft 19:18 Jo yep- my fingers are dyslexic :) 19:18 hdl_laptop hi 19:18 slef I think that was an ytpo. 19:18 davi ack 19:17 slef davi: "<Jo> Dai: That is my understanding" 19:17 slef OK, any further comments or questions? Particularly from anyone who hasn't opined yet. 19:17 davi Will that committee be dissolved if we end turning to be an democratic Association? 19:17 slef Thank you. 19:17 Jo I will 19:17 chris_n slef: maybe not so much the fixmes, but a reminder to look 19:17 davi +as a reminder to mailing list 19:17 * imp likes slef idea :) 19:16 slef Who will post it? 19:16 wizzyrea +1 even 19:16 wizzyrea +! 19:16 Jo Dai: That is my understanding 19:16 slef Yes, shall we take the FIXME topics to the mailing list in a reminder? 19:16 chris_n I also agree with gmcharlt that a reminder to the list is in order 19:16 davi ? 19:16 davi Will that committee be dissolved if we end turning to be an democratic Association 19:16 slef If it degenerates into wiki war, then we'll deal with that. 19:16 gmcharlt or at least a reminder sent to the lists to look at it 19:16 Jo the Trust may want to suggest tweaks as well 19:15 gmcharlt slef: wiki commentary is fine, but I think that a discussion on the Koha mailing list will ensure that everybody who is interested is aware of it 19:15 Jo +1 19:15 slef If the FIXMEs remain when they are submitted to the Trust, I think it's up to Bob or HLT 19:15 chris_n I agree with slef; most of them are pretty straight forward 19:14 slef Any opinion? I'm minded to suggest that they should be taken up on the wiki. 19:14 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:organisations:koha_project_organisation:hlt:rules&s[]=committee&s[]=rules 19:14 thd I hope that Bob would give attention to the FIXMEs 19:13 owen Should we be discussing those FIXMEs now? 19:13 slef Any other comments, or any questions? 19:12 slef OK, I point out that there are a number of FIXMEs still in those draft rules. 19:11 Jo I do want to clarify that the only task the community requests of HLT is to use best endeavours to secure the domain name and trademarks. 19:11 * Ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE, Poland 19:11 Jo so any last minute suggestions before I take the draft should be done this week. 19:10 Jo The trustees meeting for Januray was postponed - well cancelled really - and I will be submitting the draft rules to the next Trust meeting being held on 25th Feb. 19:10 slef please go ahead 19:10 Jo sure. 19:10 slef Report on DRAFT Horowhenua Library Trust KOHA Committee RULES. Who wants to report on this? Jo? 19:09 slef OK - any further attendees, please announce yourself when you wish. 19:09 indradg Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, Kolkata, India 19:09 wizzyrea apologies from Lee Philips, Butte Montana (another meeting) 19:09 imp Martin Janitschke, CCC Hannover 19:08 Sharon Sharon Moreland, NEKLS 19:08 Colin Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe 19:08 Vickiteal Vicki Teal Lovely, South Central Library System, Madison, WI, US 19:08 magnus Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 19:08 sekjal-away Ian Walls, NYU Health Sciences Libraries 19:08 Jo apologies from George Sue (travelling) 19:08 brendan Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions 19:08 schuster schuster = David Schuster Plano ISD/KUDOS 19:08 rosa Rosalie Blake formerly HLT 19:08 Jo Joann Ransom, Horowhenua Library Trust, NZ 19:08 jwagner Jane Wagner, PTFS 19:08 Nate Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions 19:08 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 19:08 davi Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop 19:08 * nengard Nicole C. Engard - Doc Manager & ByWater Solutions 19:08 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy 19:08 owen Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library 19:08 * wizzyrea = Liz Rea, NEKLS 19:08 * cait = Katrin Fischer, BSZ 19:07 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM, Equinox 19:07 chris_n Chris Nighswonger, FBC 19:07 slef MJ Ray, member of software.coop 19:07 slef and we should all start with introductions 19:07 slef okay so - I call this meeting to order 19:07 thd I would volunteer but I am in great pain and will go see a doctor some time after the meeting 19:07 * chris_n seconds slef 19:07 gmcharlt but thanks 19:07 gmcharlt Vickiteal: right, but I'm purposely trying to keep my RM role separate from the foundation-forming issue 19:07 Vickiteal I think he is trustworthy. 19:06 Vickiteal Galen is RM 19:06 gmcharlt thd: none currently, but I did sign an NDA with LL and not personally likely to inspire much cooperation from kados on this matter 19:06 slef thd: swine ;-) Anyone else? (please?) 19:06 thd slef: I nominate you 19:05 slef thd: ex-worker. Purely history, but even so. 19:05 slef OK. Any volunteers to chair? 19:05 thd slef: what are gmcharlt's LibLime / PTFS links anymore? 19:05 gmcharlt I'll chair if nobody else steps up, but would agree that somebody else should do it 19:04 slef gmcharlt: are you in the chair, or is someone with no LL/PTFS links better? 19:03 slef wizzy_lunch: YO! 19:03 wizzy_lunch hey peps 19:03 davi hi 19:03 Lee Sorry off to another meeting but I will read transcript 19:02 gmcharlt it's time, I believe 19:02 slef Hi all. 19:02 imp :( 19:00 nengard dog decided to get sick all over the carpet - i'm here but cleaning 18:52 cait :) 18:52 brendan thanks Colin 18:51 Colin I'll confirm it from the no-conversions timezone 18:50 brendan if I've done the time conversions correctly ;) 18:50 brendan yes in about 10 minutes 18:49 cait the meeting is in a few minutes, right? 18:49 cait hi brendan 18:48 brendan heya cait 18:48 cait hi koha 18:39 schuster LUNCH quick! 18:38 chris ok, off to catch my bus, might be a bit late to the meeting, my apologies if so 18:38 chris_n test what you like in patron cards and then switch back to your previous db 18:37 chris_n nengard: you don't have to drop your current db, just create another and adjust koha-conf.xml accordingly 18:34 nengard closed the bugs 18:34 nengard okay - brain is really tired - need to feed it - lunch time 18:34 schuster owen - what about intranet-print.css does that come into play? 18:33 wizzyrea afk 18:33 schuster BACKUP! 18:32 nengard :( doing that loses my patron and catalog data - which means starting all over with subscriptions and stuff - which makes documenting hard - 18:32 Colin if you use the current updatedatebase you need to delete the first two lines 18:32 chris_n then see if there are still errors 18:32 chris_n and run the webinstaller from scratch 18:32 chris_n I would suggest starting over with a clean db 18:32 nengard yeah - i did fix some of them 18:31 nengard oh 18:31 chris_n there have been a number of issue with updatedatabase.pl over the past few months 18:31 nengard k - so will checking out a new branch work? 18:31 nengard hmm 18:31 chris_n and you are missing db tables 18:31 nengard lovely 18:31 nengard heh 18:31 chris_n nengard: your upgrade did not work 18:31 nengard so I split them up 18:31 nengard chris_n there were 2 bugs - one was 500 error the others were scripting errors 18:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4094 critical, P5, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, NEW, link to manage images broken 18:30 chris_n nengard: I'm looking at bug 4094 18:29 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4096 blocker, P5, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, NEW, Patron Card Tool throwing many errors 18:29 nengard updated bug 4096 with error log 18:28 chris_n if you are on dev install over git 18:28 * chris_n imagines something broke during your upgrade 18:28 chris_n all links are good regardless 18:27 nengard oh oka :( darn - then hang on - getting error log now 18:27 chris_n nope 18:27 chris_n ? 18:27 nengard cause the new user will find nothing but errors :) 18:27 nengard and if so then we need to disable those links if you don't have things set up yet 18:27 nengard is it possible that the errors are because I don't have templates/layouts/etc set up already 18:26 nengard and i'm about to get you the log file as well 18:26 nengard yes 18:25 chris_n and do you have command line access? 18:25 chris_n what kind of install are you running? 18:25 nengard chris_n that was all another language for me .... what command do I type? 18:25 chris_n does the error log say anything else? 18:24 chris_n nengard: that link works on two different installations here 18:22 chris_n beware that Image::Magick will not work 18:21 chris_n use the package maintainer's version as there is no cpan version 18:21 nengard still getting errors when clicking links - off to bug report them for you 18:21 nengard chris_n that wasn't it :) 18:20 nengard installing now 18:20 nengard k that needs to be added to the about page 18:19 chris_n nengard: you must install Graphics::Magick 18:19 nengard chris_n do i need a perl module for the patron card tool to work? cause i keep getting errorswhen clicking different links 17:59 schuster OK - I'll bang a little on this with some of the other stylesheets that are referenced to see if that makes a difference. 17:58 owen schuster: I took out the "input, " part of that line and it worked for me. Since you don't even have that I'm not sure what's going on. 17:57 schuster I do not have that line in my code. So when you changed yours to??? it worked? or comment it out? 17:56 owen input, fieldset.action, .list-actions { display: none; } 17:56 schuster .print { display : inline; 17:55 schuster hmmm - what would that declaration look like? sorry still learning. 17:55 owen /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/print.css 17:54 owen schuster: Were you able to confirm or deny the existence of a declaration in your print stylesheet that hides inputs? 17:53 * jdavidb goes "eep!" 17:53 schuster owen - so we have decided this print problem is a local issue correct? 17:53 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is 3.2�C (12:44 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 7 am EST Wednesday... 17:53 jdavidb @wunder 20817 17:52 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 17.0�C (10:50 PM IST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 17:52 indradg @wunder kolkata 17:42 moodaepo It was -30s in Montreal a couple of weeks back when we were in the -20s, wonder how el norte pole was doing. @wunder should be able to do past weather! 17:40 brendan yay! 17:40 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -12.0�C (12:00 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 17:40 moodaepo @wunder Montreal, Canada 17:40 * moodaepo tries it one last time 17:40 owen "Humidity: -999%" ?! 17:39 moodaepo brendan++ 17:39 munin brendan: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -31.1�C (8:32 AM AKST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -70.0�C. Windchill: -31.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). 17:39 munin moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found. 17:39 brendan @wunder north pole, alaska 17:39 moodaepo @wunder Montreal, QC Canada 17:39 brendan my favorite is 17:39 munin moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found. 17:39 moodaepo @wunder montreal 17:39 moodaepo Well the Canucks got me beat most of the time so I feel warmer when I do this... 17:38 schuster schuster is killing trees... sorry... 17:38 owen polar is right 17:38 brendan heh ;) 17:38 moodaepo Hey brendan seems like we are back to being polar-opposites with ze weather : ) 17:37 brendan hi moodaepo 17:34 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -8.7�C (11:30 AM CST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising). 17:34 moodaepo @wunder 56001 17:30 schuster oh yes that is what I get when I print it - but things are lined up nicely. 17:30 owen schuster: I mean is that what you get when you print it 17:29 schuster print 17:29 Ropuch ..and i fell for it ;> 17:29 schuster yes that is what I see when I look at css media type 17:28 owen schuster: Your filter is protecting you. We've been trying to trick you into looking at naughty pictures at work. 17:27 owen http://zivotdesign.com/examples/edit-item-print-view.png 17:26 schuster I can share either with you... 17:26 schuster my *()^)*&^)&*( filter doesn't let me get to some of those sites. Are you showing me code or printout? 17:25 owen schuster, is this what you see? http://imagebin.ca/view/NXGtHD1.html 17:24 owen http://imagebin.ca/view/NXGtHD1.html 17:24 owen Yup, work. 17:24 * owen checks for pants 17:23 wizzyrea you are presumably at work right now :) 17:22 owen At work I am, at home I'm on a Mac. 17:22 * wizzyrea is also using FF 3.6 17:22 wizzyrea owen: you are on a PC? 17:22 schuster bblb 17:22 Ropuch Evening #koha 17:22 Ropuch ;> 17:22 wizzyrea ooh look at all of the new shiny buttons 17:21 schuster phewey 17:21 Ropuch Web Developer plugin is must ;> 17:21 wizzyrea mine display on both 17:21 * wizzyrea too 17:21 schuster can't get to that one - my network proxy blocks it... So are you missing barcode or does yours display. 17:21 * chris_n loves tools that make life easier... especially with web developing 17:21 owen Sounds like this may be a PC problem. 17:21 chris_n got it and installed :-) 17:20 owen Sorry chris_n: that "Yes" was meant for you :) 17:20 wizzyrea that's what my two prints look like :/ 17:20 wizzyrea http://img70.yfrog.com/i/qkkl.jpg/ 17:20 schuster I downloaded it, but I need to "restart" firefox 17:18 wizzyrea owen: will def check it out 17:17 wizzyrea :/ 17:17 wizzyrea i just printed it L. 17:17 * owen highly recommends the Web Developer addon. It pre-dates Firebug and does some things Firebug doesn't 17:16 wizzyrea not on mine 17:16 schuster print preview looks ok that's what is strange - no probably would be missing the data. 17:16 wizzyrea so, if i were to print that, it would come out the same 17:15 wizzyrea <- on a mac though 17:15 wizzyrea PDF 17:15 wizzyrea that's the print preview 17:15 owen wizzyrea: Yes 17:15 schuster 3/3 on the screen looks ok - its when it actually goes to the printer that it is missing the data. 17:15 chris_n owen: is this it? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60?src=api 17:13 wizzyrea yea 17:13 owen wizzyrea: That's 3/3 of a printout? 17:13 chris_n neat 17:13 wizzyrea oooh 17:13 owen It has a nice option for viewing pages using the CSS files for alternate media types. Good for testing your print CSS 17:13 wizzyrea hmm, 3/3 looks like http://screencast.com/t/OWM2YjJjZ 17:12 wizzyrea if it will help 17:12 wizzyrea i will get it 17:12 wizzyrea I have firebug 17:11 owen wizzyrea: Do you have the Web Developer Firefox addon? 17:11 wizzyrea that view? 17:11 owen schuster: ...and yet the fix worked for me :| 17:11 wizzyrea schuster: i'm trying to understand your issue. You have a problem with http://screencast.com/t/NzUwNTRmY2I 17:08 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 2.0�C (12:02 PM EST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling). 17:08 chris_n @wunder 28334 17:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.4�C (9:00 AM PST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). 17:04 brendan @wunder 93117 17:03 owen schuster: True. Yours probably doesn't have that line, and therefore my hypothesis is incorrect. 16:56 schuster head looks different than mine at the moment. So I'm investigating. Since I'm on like .36... 16:55 owen schuster: Were you able to tweak that file? 16:54 schuster smm still a mystery... 16:49 owen ...but I don't see why it wouldn't do that whether or not you're printing page 3 of 3 16:49 owen Line 205 says to hide <input> when printing 16:49 owen http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/print.css;h=16996611f56fa61f365fa5343941999326d066c6;hb=HEAD 16:48 schuster yes wizzyrea - if you print all 3 pages it comes out ok, if you print page 3 of 3 most of the fields are blank. 16:48 wizzyrea file a bug I'd guess 16:48 owen schuster: The print stylesheet needs to be modified 16:48 wizzyrea you are looking at the edit items screen? 16:47 schuster So owen any suggestions on how to fix that so the data comes all the way through? 16:47 schuster Timer hasn't dinged, but it is getting close. 16:47 schuster Hey doesn't hurt, I half baked one and I think it is almost complete!! URL checker... 16:46 wizzyrea ;) 16:46 wizzyrea b 16:46 wizzyrea yea, but most of my ideas are half baked and kind of dum 16:46 schuster I think we need to put all those ideas into bugzilla as enhancements so that others can chime in and possible help... 16:46 wizzyrea perhaps I should post my idea bucket somewhere online :/ 16:46 wizzyrea hmm 16:46 wizzyrea no, no I don't 16:45 schuster Ok idea bucket tip over and let the ideas flow to completion!! wizzyrea has all the answers right? 16:41 wizzyrea really it's more like an idea bucket 16:41 owen schuster: I get the same thing. 16:41 wizzyrea sok though 16:41 wizzyrea heh, no 16:40 * chris_n wonders if wizzyrea can see the bottom of her list 16:40 schuster You are correct not a new item, but it bubbled to the top of my stack of papers again. 16:40 * wizzyrea puts that on her list 16:39 wizzyrea what a great feature it would be to have a print friendly items view 16:39 wizzyrea you know 16:38 owen schuster: This isn't a new issue is it? I seem to recall you asking about this before. 16:37 schuster Thoughts? 16:36 schuster If we do file print and say print ONLY page 3 to 3 which is the edit item page all the fields are blank except #2, 8, a, b, c, y 16:36 schuster on the Edit item page all cells/fields are filled in on the printout. 16:35 schuster If we pull up an item in the edit mode - and do file print we get 3 pages - title, grid, and then the Edit item #XXXX 16:34 owen Sure 16:34 schuster hey all - owen have a minute to look at something dealing with printing? 16:27 chris_n g'morning 16:15 ccurry In addition, $c, shelving location is missing from this form...I checked the MARC Bibliographic Framework and the code for the hidden field of 952$c is correct & it displays correctly when creating a non-serial item. 16:09 ccurry I tried copying the js from the pastebin above and changing the subfield to o and replacing serialseq with publisheddate, but this doesn't output the publisheddate field...and overwrites the call number generated by system preferences, so I guess something more sophisticated is necessary? 16:08 ccurry owen: thanks 16:08 ccurry duh 16:08 munin owen: Error: "spits" is not a valid command. 16:08 owen munin spits out details of bugs if you give a bug number 16:07 ccurry interesting. I never know when I'm talking to a robot on IRC...that's a smart one. 16:06 munin ccurry: Error: "thanks." is not a valid command. 16:06 ccurry munin: thanks. good to know. 16:06 ccurry I'm trying to do a more involved customization to populate $h with "publisheddate" from the serialitems table and append "serialseq" to the call number in $o. Any tips on how I can achieve this? 16:05 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3899 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Receive Serial Item Has Copy Info in Wrong Field 16:05 owen Bug 3899 16:04 ccurry http://pastebin.com/m4e03ad68 16:04 ccurry ...latter is obviously a mistake, and is easy enough to fix by editing line 73 of /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serials-edit.tmpl, replacing "v" with "h" to populate h - Serial Enumeration / chronology with "serialseq" instead. 16:04 ccurry I'm working on getting the serials module working correctly (or at least limping along). When receiving a new item from within a subscription record, some data is automatically generated in the item record. The call number is applied (as defined in system preferences "itemcallnumber") and "serialseq" ( from serial items table) is inserted into subfield v Cost, replacement price. The... 16:04 ccurry Hello everyone. A few questions about serials: 15:51 nengard On the OPAC - I see no reason why the patron would need anything else ... but if hdl_laptop was asked to put it there - maybe we need find out why 15:51 owen So nengard you think all we need is the library filter? 15:48 nengard owen - not that I know of ... 15:48 nengard but as I'm the bug reporter - I still see no reason for the patron to know how many subscriptions the library has set up or their IDs 15:48 owen But there is no way, other than with subscription ID, to distinguish the two 15:48 nengard yes 15:48 nengard the way it works now if you have 2 copies of Computers in Libraries at your branch you need two subscriptions 15:47 owen One library branch? 15:47 nengard name/title 15:47 nengard owen, i would expect one library to have multiple subscriptions with the same name 15:46 owen Isn't a filter by branchcode all you would need? Unless you expect one library branch to have duplicate subscriptions to the same title 15:43 hdl_laptop serial name 15:43 owen serialseq? 15:43 hdl_laptop But if we could use a pretty jqueryfilter so that user can filter branchcode or even serialseq.... Then i think it would do the job 15:42 hdl_laptop mmm maybe... I think it was asked. 15:40 owen The ID number doesn't mean much to the librarian, let alone a patron 15:39 owen Is there a reason why a librarian would need to filter by a subscription ID? 15:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4090 minor, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, subscription ID showing in OPAC - confusing 15:39 owen hdl_laptop: Can you look at Bug 4090? 15:29 hdl_laptop thanks Colin 15:28 Colin hdl_laptop: thanks I'll take a look at ensuring enddate gets set 15:22 jdavidb figured probably so. Thanks! 15:21 hdl_laptop sure you have to. 15:21 gmcharlt yes, you need to reindex 15:21 jdavidb hdl_laptop: after setting icu up, is it necessary to reindex? I've got the modified default.idx and icu.xml in place, and restarted zebra, but no change to results. 15:20 nengard owen just saw the work you did on subscriptions display in the OPAC - nice work!! Thanks :) 15:16 nengard thanks hdl_laptop!! 15:15 hdl_laptop my;field;is;great;Ratzinger**Benedito/Wojtila**john-Paul;.... 15:14 wizzyrea thanks again 15:14 wizzyrea brilliant, it worked 15:14 hdl_laptop for instance -- as subfield separator 15:14 hdl_laptop for instance / as field separator 15:13 hdl_laptop for instance ; as csv 15:13 hdl_laptop And had you had multiple $a in your 700 then you would use the subfield separator 15:13 nengard and then the $ is the subfield separator? 15:13 hdl_laptop There comes the field separator 15:13 nengard OH!!! that makes sense 15:12 hdl_laptop and you have 10 700 tags... 15:12 hdl_laptop imagine 700$a 15:12 hdl_laptop nengard: But you can have multiple tags and subfields answering your question 15:12 hdl_laptop nengard: csv separator is for the csv "fields" in your excel file 15:11 brendan ah sure thing wizzyrea :) 15:11 wizzyrea brendan: thanks for the tip, will do :) 14:59 jwagner Gee, lots of karma floating around this morning :-) 14:57 jdavidb hdl_laptop++ again, just because! Gonna spin this up on a test instance, make sure I get it right before I subject my customers to my fumblin'. 14:56 hdl_laptop yep 14:55 jdavidb hdl_laptop: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-January/022269.html ? This what I need? 14:54 nengard okay - documentation question re: csv profiles - what does each seperator mean? what's the diff between a csv sperator, field seperator and subfield seperator? 14:51 jdavidb I see etc/zebra/etc/icu.xml; I gather that's the config that tells icu how to do stuff? 14:50 hdl_laptop installing the package, + tweak zebra configuration 14:50 nengard or :) 14:50 nengard thanks :)( 14:50 owen Yes 14:50 nengard owen can you remove the dup fields then too? 14:49 jdavidb Thanks! Is it just a matter of installing the package, and reconfiguring/reindexing zebra? 14:49 owen nengard: I'm working on that template now 14:49 nengard will report and try to fix 14:49 jdavidb hdl_laptop++ 14:49 nengard okay - so it's a bug :) 14:49 hdl_laptop I guess. 14:49 hdl_laptop nengard: bad conflict merge ? 14:49 hdl_laptop jdavidb: I posted some icu files and you have some on Univ_Lyon3 branch on git.biblibre.com 14:48 nengard hdl_laptop any ideas why the seperator fields are duplicated on the CSV profiles tool? 14:46 jdavidb okay.. gonna go do some searching, and figure out how to do that... 14:45 kf jdavidb: you can test in our library catalog if you want to, it works fine there 14:44 nengard csv profiles question ... why are the seperators listed 2 times each? Is this a bug or is there a reason I need it twice? 14:44 kf jdavidb: icu indexinb 14:43 hdl_laptop jdavidb: I guess you should try to setup yaz-icu 14:43 hdl_laptop Colin: maybe we could require the enddate or try and process that from subscription data 14:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 major, P1, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Diacritics not being ignored when searching 14:42 jdavidb Hm...anyone seen anything useful that might help with Bug 2629 ? I've got a couple of sites that are fussing about this 14:33 Colin Was the logic to force the renew or should you require the enddate on add 14:32 magnus and i'll make sure it's updated to alpha as soon as i can after it's out 14:32 magnus i have one at http://head.bibkat.no/ http://head.bibkat.no:8080/ username = password = demo that i will share with anyone 14:31 Colin but not receive a copy until you renew 14:31 Colin Hi a question on enddate in serials. You can add a subscription without one 14:31 magnus i think there was talk a while back about making available test-installations for people to try and hunt for bugs, without requiring everyone to set up their own installations. anyone thought any more about that? 14:30 hdl_laptop hi Colin 14:30 Colin is hdl_laptop about? 14:06 imp gmcharlt++ 14:06 * imp will try the alpha version :D 14:05 imp \o/ 14:04 kf gmcharlt++ 14:03 hdl_laptop gmcharlt++ 14:03 magnus gmcharlt++ 13:57 nengard gmcharlt++ woo hoo 13:56 jdavidb gmcharlt++ 13:54 gmcharlt hilongo: do you get this conversion error if you open the file in vi and try saving it without making any changes? 13:54 jwagner gmcharlt++ yippeee! 13:53 jdavidb Indeed, owen. 13:53 gmcharlt news for you - this evening I'll be bringing in the last of the patches for 3.2 and tarring up the alpha 13:53 owen jdavidb: Toiling away for clients is toiling away in obscurity 13:53 hilongo but now I can't add the equivalences to the sort-string-utf.chr file, cause it complains on saving with a 'CONVERSION ERROR' from vim ... 13:52 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 13:52 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 13:51 hilongo after the upgrade to v3.0.5 same problem presented, because of new word-phrase and sort-string files 13:50 * jdavidb hasn't done much karma-worthy lately, anyway. 13:50 owen jdavidb: Not enough time to score some karma 13:49 hilongo under /etc/koha... 13:49 hilongo the thing is ... that I seem to have two sets of diacritics in my database.. back in v3.0.1 I fixed this adding some equivalences in word-phrase-utf.chr and sort-string-utf.chr 13:49 jwagner Harrumph. 13:48 gmcharlt sockpuppets FTW! 13:48 kf gmcharlt: not sure this is fair 13:47 jwagner Hey, kf/cait can accumulate karma under two identities! That's not fair. I need to start logging in with an alternate persona!!! 13:47 gmcharlt hilongo: what's your question? 13:46 gmcharlt kf: happy now? :) 13:45 gmcharlt cait++ 13:42 munin kf: cait has neutral karma. 13:42 kf @karma cait 13:42 jwagner hilongo, you can ask, don't know whether anyone is online that has an answer.... 13:41 jwagner Awwww, getting karma back :-) 13:40 munin kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 13:40 kf @karma kf 13:40 kf jwagner++ # for discussing fines and notices with me :) 13:39 jwagner Meant to do that yesterday, but I was too excited about getting it to work! 13:39 kf karma yay :) 13:36 hilongo is there someone who can lend me a hand on that matter around? :) 13:35 hilongo I have updated my Koha to 3.0.5 and I'm having a 'dia'critial problem ... 13:33 jwagner kf++ for yesterday's patron attribute help :-) 13:33 jwagner Oh, by the way... 13:27 jwagner G'morning. 13:27 hilongo good morning to all :) 11:25 CGI693 while books are present but it do not show in catalogue from opac 11:25 CGI693 Im not able to search opac catalgue from reserviours data 11:20 CGI693 ?? 11:16 CGI693 I did not get " launched indexation" ...?? 11:16 CGI693 Im using zebra mode 11:15 hdl_laptop are you using zebra or no zebra mode ? 11:15 hdl_laptop CGI693: have you launched indexation ? 11:13 CGI693 I add some books but when I want to search these from OPAC search catalogue, they dont show there 11:11 CGI693 how can I use callnumber 11:10 hdl_laptop CGI693: for shelving locations, in koha, and in libraries, you can use itemcallnumber. 11:08 hdl_laptop lists were named virtualshelves : they are just there to store some records for more visibility and work 11:07 hdl_laptop item types are the type of items and rules for check-in and out. 11:05 CGI693 and how can I add books in different shelves 11:05 CGI693 and I review the documentation but still Im in cofusion, that wht is different b/w item types and lists 11:04 CGI693 Im new user of KOHA 11:01 Amit what problem 11:01 Amit hi CGI693 10:59 CGI693 can any body help me? 10:59 CGI693 how can I place books in different shelving locations 10:58 CGI693 I read documents properly, but Im still in cofusion, that how koha function 10:58 CGI693 hi All! I installed koha-3.004_fixed on debian-lenny, 10:48 magnus sleep tight 10:47 kf good night chris 10:46 chris night all 10:46 chris ok time for sleep for me 10:42 chris http://www.igougo.com/traveldeals/ratefinder.aspx 10:41 chris seems to be cheapest so far 10:40 chris yeah stuttgart -> london -> hong kong -> nz 10:39 chris yeah 10:38 kf and 1/2 days +- are making a difference too - will need more time for this :) 10:38 kf stuttgart london seems to work too 10:37 chris so they all fly through there 10:37 chris looks like lufthansa's main hub is frankfurt 10:35 kf or perhaps zürich (switzerland) 10:35 kf stuttgart 10:35 chris whats the nearest big airport to you kf? 10:33 kf me too 10:33 chris they stop in singapore or thailand usually 10:33 Ropuch ;> 10:33 * Ropuch making notes 10:33 kf thx! 10:33 chris i flew lufthansa to vienna, and also to munich 10:33 chris means they often code share flights 10:33 kf star alliance? 10:32 chris same as air nz 10:32 chris lufthansa is part of the star alliance 10:32 chris then book direct with the airline 10:31 kf ah, hi chris 10:31 chris i usually use travelocity 10:29 kf or nengard 10:29 kf perhaps chris has some tips 10:27 magnus me to... 10:25 kf flying too seldom 10:25 kf I think there are several sites for finding cheap flights - but I have no recommendation 10:24 magnus what sites are you guys using to look for tickets? any recomendations? 10:23 kf because it might be cheaper to fly from here? 10:23 Ropuch I was thinking about cost of trip to Berlin/Hannover 10:21 kf hm? 10:21 Ropuch Oh, +/- 50 eoros is nothing compraed to final amount ;> 10:20 kf ah ok 10:18 Ropuch I must geto to Germany first 10:18 kf flight, not laptop 10:17 kf hm I have one for 1209.00 EUR here 10:17 Ropuch I'm a big fan of cheap laptops ;> 10:17 kf yes 10:16 Ropuch Still it's 1300-1500 euro 10:15 kf still enough to buy a real nice new laptop :( 10:15 kf hm playing with dates, not flying on weekends gets cheaper 10:15 kf I ll bring mine too :) 10:15 Ropuch http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pitch+a+tent 10:14 Ropuch Is "pitching a tent" used in realtion to a tent? 10:13 Ropuch I mean: in 10:13 Ropuch chris: can I assemble a tent on your yard? ;-) 10:10 Ropuch And hitchhiking the plane is not an option ;> 10:10 kf yes :( 10:09 Ropuch The flight cost alone is a killer 10:08 Ropuch Librarian on the road ;-) 10:08 magnus Ropuch: sounds like a good idea! 10:08 Ropuch Althought I'm years past my student times, I thinking about just getting there and try get some part time job to cover my expenses, just as I did in NOrway back then ;> 10:07 kf I = it 10:07 kf I would really like to go too.. but I will be really expensive 10:06 kf Ropuch: I know your problem 10:06 Ropuch But it would cost all of my savings 10:06 Ropuch I'm still considering sightseeing trip to NZ with Kohacon as a bonus 10:06 kf German library conference is in march too 10:04 Ropuch Heh 10:00 magnus and i would love to "round it out" by going to kohacon, but i'll need some more customers first i think... 09:55 magnus me too 09:54 chris i feel that 2010 is going to be a good year for koha 09:53 magnus i'm very anxious to hear and feel what the response will be there 09:52 magnus in the middle of march there will be the annual norwegian library conference, where i will have a stand to promote koha and myself. and nicomo will be there to help too :-) 09:51 chris :) 09:51 magnus i'm doing my best... 09:51 chris be nice to get a good koha presence in scandanavia 09:51 chris good idea 09:50 magnus i'm using it for all it's worth to make norwegian librarians aware of the benefits of koha too... 09:50 magnus yup 09:48 chris very cool 09:47 magnus they point out some things that are particular to sweden + translations, but otherwise they really like it 09:47 magnus oh, yes - the title says it all really 09:44 chris it seems the swedish report was very complimentary toward koha 09:44 chris mostly, google translate does a good job 09:43 magnus chris: and understands everything? ;-) 09:43 * chris reads magnus blog 08:52 hdl_laptop thx chris_n. 08:51 magnus hi hdl_laptop 08:51 hdl_laptop hi magnus 08:46 magnus hi, kf and Amit 08:45 Amit heya magnus 08:45 kf morning Amit and magnus 08:45 magnus good time-of-the-day-or-night #koha 08:44 Amit heya kf, Ropuch 08:31 kf good morning Ropuch 08:30 Ropuch Hello kf, imp :) 08:29 kf heyho imp ;) 08:29 imp heyho kf :) 08:25 kf hi #koha 07:51 imp moin :) 07:24 Ropuch Morning #koha 04:33 chris_n g'night #koha 04:32 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 04:32 chris_n @later tell hdl_laptop I resubmitted a corrected patch for bug 4074; the 3.0.x version is here: http://git.foundations.edu/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=925aad5aa27f327153dd0de75edfb1a4ebf6b47f and can be pulled from there if you like 04:13 Amit heya chris 04:13 Jo thanks everyone 04:12 chris bbl 04:12 chris ok hometime 04:11 chris nblake at masscat.org 04:11 chris no idea, you could email nora 04:10 Jo Masscat: any idea how many partner libraries or service sites 04:09 Amit np 04:09 Jo amit: thank you. 04:08 Amit 45 branches 04:08 Jo delhi: how many branches or sites would you think? 04:07 Amit http://dpl.gov.in/ 04:07 Jo Hands lollypop to Amit :) 04:07 Jo delhi is a g ood one 04:06 Jo Kerala state : whats the story with that one again? 04:06 chris there must be 4 million ppl in delhi easy 04:06 Amit i think oldest library in india 04:06 Amit Delhi public library completed 60 years 04:06 Jo thanks - needed a very cool example 04:06 Jo cool. 04:05 chris vicki 04:05 chris wisconsin 04:05 Jo scls - what state is that? 04:05 brendan errr.. year 04:05 brendan whoops off by a month 04:04 brendan howard county 04:04 chris its hard to know masscat has a lot of libraries mostly small though 04:04 brendan oh I get it now 04:03 Jo Hands lollypop to Chris .. :) 04:03 Jo Amit: as in all of NZ, or an entire state in US or India 04:00 chris http://www.scls.info/ has 3.6 million volumes does 11262790 circ transactions per year 03:58 brendan Jo "all of country" 03:57 Amit heya JO 03:57 brendan hey amit 03:52 Jo virtula lolly pop for the first 5 answers :) 03:52 Jo pop quizz: koha consortia serving populations over 4 million, or 'all of country or state" 03:48 chris_n I got an irc proxy up and running thanks to several who pointed me in the right direction 03:47 chris_n actually I'm just one now :-) 03:47 Amit heya chris_n2 03:47 chris_n howdy Amit 03:46 Amit morning #koha 03:46 Amit heya brendan, chris 03:41 chris_n both lines I had you add should be there and uncommented 03:41 chris_n braedon: add '$query =~ s/(?<=rtrn):/=/g;' immediately after the line I had you add a moment ago and see if that fixes things up 03:38 Drew there is no virtualhost line in that file 03:35 chris_n I think on ubuntu that is apache2.conf 03:27 Drew the file is blank 03:26 chris whats the virtualhost line of your intranet section of the httpd.conf file? 03:25 Drew it would seem so it just won't respond 03:25 chris ok so its definitely listening on port 8080 03:24 Drew if i telnet i get nothing it does connect 03:21 Drew 127.0.0.1 - - [02/Feb/2010:11:38:52 +0900] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.10 with Suhosin-Patch (internal dummy connection)" 03:19 chris do you get a connection? 03:19 chris telnet 192.168.11.23 8080 03:19 chris and if you go 03:19 chris does it get an entry at all? 03:18 chris no, what does the access log say 03:18 Drew The webpage cannot be displayed 03:18 chris what does it list when you hit that url above? 03:15 Drew nothing that i can see thats an error 03:12 chris whats in the access log? 03:11 chris right, well that error must have occured the one time you messed it up 03:11 Drew 192.168.11.23:8080 03:11 Drew might have messed it up once but thats the only error i found 03:11 chris can you paste exactly what you did? 03:10 Drew thats what i did 03:10 chris or http://your.domain.name:8080/ 03:10 chris http://your.ip.number:8080/ 03:10 chris it needs to before the slash 03:09 chris ahh you are putting the :8080 in the wrong place 03:08 Drew this is the line [error] [client 192.168.11.54] File does not exist: /var/www/:8080 03:08 braedon works in 3.0.1 03:08 braedon and git 3.0.x actually 03:08 braedon have used, and is broken in, 3.0.4, and git head 03:07 braedon using 3.0.5 currently 03:07 braedon chris_n: sorry, was afk 02:56 chris_n which file does the log say is not found? 02:52 Drew error.log 02:52 chris_n Drew: which file? 02:48 Drew the log says file not found 02:48 chris_n s/wronge/wrong/ 02:47 chris_n what version are you using? 02:47 chris_n so maybe there is something else wronge there 02:47 chris_n but if the original line was not commented out, your search links should have worked 02:46 chris_n ie. ti: au: etc 02:45 chris_n the new regexp normalizes by removing only query limit pragma 02:45 chris_n normalizing the query by removing all : results in the inability to search on anything containing a : 02:41 braedon what exactly is it supposed to fix(in case i am getting the wrong end of the stick here) 02:38 braedon i tried that, and it doesn't seem to work 02:37 chris_n in that case, comment it and add the one I gave below it 02:37 braedon s/I an/I can/ 02:37 braedon chris_n: where abouts should that line "# $query =~ s/:/=/g;" be? The only one I an find isn't commented 02:32 chris_n Drew: what do the apache logs say? ie. /var/log/apache2/error.log and access.log 02:29 chris_n missed that 02:24 braedon "- Drew, 14:52 - do I need to change anything else other than ports.conf to listen 8080" 02:22 chris_n Drew: is your apache configured to listen on port 8080? 02:19 braedon and don't restrict the search to apache too strictly. that is only my guess :P 02:19 braedon no probs. sorry i couldn't be more help 02:17 Drew ok then I will look in that dirction for answers thanks for the help. 02:17 braedon i would say it is an apache config issue 02:16 Drew The webpage cannot be displayed 02:15 braedon what is it giving you on 8080 exactly? 02:14 Drew you think it is an apache problem or a koha 02:13 braedon sorry. anyone else have any ideas? 02:13 braedon hmm, looks alright to me 02:07 Drew http://pastebin.com/d78047351 02:06 braedon then send the link 02:06 braedon http://pastebin.com/ 02:05 Drew whats the best way to send it? 01:58 braedon but i haven't done a fresh install, so there may be something tricksy elsewhere that i am unaware of 01:58 Drew ok give me a sec 01:58 braedon as far as i am aware, no 01:55 Drew do I need to change anything else other than ports.conf to listen 8080 01:55 braedon can you paste your whole apache koha file in pastebin or something? 01:53 braedon the port 80 should give you a maintenance message until you set it up through 8080 01:52 Drew or port 80 01:52 braedon so it is jsut the port 8080 virtualhost that isn't working 01:52 braedon yip 01:52 Drew so I know that apache is working 01:52 Drew no if I go to the ip it gives me the koha screen but tells me it is down for maitience 01:51 braedon does port 80 work? 01:51 braedon hmm, not sure then sorry 01:50 braedon lol, ok 01:50 Drew thats just a typo it is there 01:50 braedon i presume between the two 1's 01:50 braedon you need a extra . 01:50 Drew yes, I have even restart the pc 01:49 Drew <VirtualHost 192.168.1123:8080> 01:49 braedon did you restart apache after changing them? 01:49 braedon what are they set to now? 01:48 Drew yes I changed them before do I need to take out VirtualHost from the title? 01:48 braedon there will be one lower down for 8080 as well 01:48 braedon eg, <VirtualHost 127.0.0.1:80> 01:47 Drew let me check 01:46 braedon if the hosts in that file are set up for 127.0.0.1(localhost), you will need to change them to the IP address of the server 01:46 Drew yeah that is where it is I am using that myself what am I looking for? 01:45 braedon (that is what it is on ubuntu/debian at least) 01:45 braedon probably something like /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha 01:45 braedon check your site config for koha 01:44 braedon apache may not be set up correctly 01:44 Drew another 01:44 braedon are you on the machine koha is on? or are you on another? 01:43 Drew need some help I am new to koha and I followed the instructions from the wiki but I am getting nothing when I go to port 8080 any ideas? 01:40 braedon_ ok, thanks chris_n. 01:40 braedon_ grr, damn empathy crashing 01:38 chris_n bbiab 01:38 chris_n git should work out the merge when it does show up in the main repo and you rebase 01:37 chris_n you can also grab the patch once it posts to the list and apply it to your repo 01:37 chris_n that depends on gmcharlt's schedule, but this will be in the alpha of 3.2 so not too long from now 01:26 braedon_ how long does it usually take for patches to be applied to the repos, out of interest 01:25 chris_n np... and I have not yet submitted the patch to do that, but will tonight or tomorrow 01:25 braedon_ thanks 01:25 braedon_ ok 01:24 chris_n do *not* uncomment the line referred to above which is commented out 01:24 chris_n and add just after it this line: $query =~ s/(?<=(ti|au|pb|su|an|kw|mc)):/=/g; 01:24 braedon_ yipyip 01:24 chris_n find this line: # $query =~ s/:/=/g; 01:24 chris_n braedon_: in C4/Search.pm 01:20 chris_n braedon_: no, but the fix is a one-liner... hold on 01:20 braedon_ chris_n: do you know what version first broke the biblio view search links? 01:18 chris_n wizzyrea must be very mobile atm 01:06 braedon_ yay for PPAs 01:06 braedon_ but it is getting better 01:06 braedon_ sadly it does not work too well 01:06 braedon_ i'm on empathy 01:05 braedon_ :) 01:05 chris_n sadly it did not work too well 01:04 * chris_n tried out a vim irc plugin today 01:03 chris_n yup 00:45 brendan yeah those two lines have got to be from a bad merge right? 00:31 * chris_n is glad he was not the only one with those two random lines 00:14 brendan I saw that in my update and that did the trick for me (something happened during the merge or something) 00:13 brendan you need to edit the first two lines of your installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl file 00:12 brendan wizzyrea you figure out your problem?