Time Nick Message 00:02 chris_n2 interesting: bugzilla uses TT 00:33 chris yeah TT rules 02:00 seneca anyone here ever have a "deep recursion" problem? 02:01 seneca any time I access request.pl, my CPU usage maxes out and I never get a response in the browser 02:06 chris_n2 seneca: what does the log say? 02:14 seneca the apache error.log says: 02:15 seneca crap...brb 02:16 seneca ok 02:16 seneca the apache error.log says: 02:16 seneca [Thu Jan 21 20:48:21 2010] Digit.pl: Deep recursion on subroutine "utf8::SWASHNEW" at /usr/share/perl/5.10/utf8_heavy.pl line 251, <DATA> line 275. 02:16 seneca [Thu Jan 21 20:48:21 2010] Digit.pl: Deep recursion on subroutine "CGI::Carp::die" at /usr/share/perl/5.10/utf8_heavy.pl line 198, <DATA> line 275. 02:16 seneca those two lines 02:18 seneca which I'm not sure I understand what it's saying 02:18 seneca with the "<DATA> line 275" bit at the end 02:19 seneca it's request.pl that slams the cpu, but this error makes it sound like it's a perl issue? 02:31 chris_n2 seneca: this is a 3.0.x version of Koha? 02:32 seneca eah 02:32 seneca latest "stable" as I was told today 02:32 seneca 3.0.5 02:32 seneca just upgraded to it this evening 02:33 seneca running on Debian linux, and I'm upgrading everything else in the system right now, just to check 02:33 * chris_n2 looks 02:35 seneca no change:( 02:47 seneca just mailed the general mailing list with the problem 02:52 seneca is it most definitely bed time - goodnight all 02:53 chris_n2 seneca: not sure what's up with your install, the latest 3.0.x branch request.pl works fine here 02:53 chris_n2 @later tell seneca: not sure what's up with your install, the latest 3.0.x branch request.pl works fine here 02:53 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded. 02:56 chris_n2 however, some error trapping is wanting for deep recursion to happen in any case, I think 02:57 chris_n2 g'night 03:38 Amit hi brendan, chris 03:38 Amit morning #koha 08:01 Amit heya nicomo 08:05 nicomo hi Amit 08:17 magnus hi all 08:17 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 08:17 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (8:50 AM CET on January 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). 08:17 magnus windchill-- 08:42 nicomo_laptop @wunder lyon france 08:42 munin nicomo_laptop: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is -0.3�C (9:03 AM CET on January 22, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Steady). 08:43 nicomo_laptop funny, doesn't feel like 0°C, feels warmer 09:56 chipsy hi guys, is it possible to install koha on virtual box 09:57 toins chilts: of course 09:57 toins chipsy: of course 10:01 magnus chipsy: there's even some ready-made images available: http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/ 10:02 chipsy but while trying to install array::compare it couldn't 10:06 chipsy can i used diff barcodes other than the ones koha generate automatic 10:12 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 10:12 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (3:10 PM IST on January 22, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 10:13 greenmang0 @wunder delhi 10:13 munin greenmang0: Error: No such location could be found. 10:13 greenmang0 munin: C00L BAWT 10:13 munin greenmang0: Error: "C00L" is not a valid command. 12:39 jwagner Good morning all. 13:32 * chris_n learns a new git trick early today 13:32 chris_n git checkout <tag> 13:32 chris_n lets you jump back to that tag and then return to your current work by git checkout <working branch> 13:36 jwagner I prefer the git checkout jdavidb trick, better known as squawking "David, HELP!!!!" 13:36 * jdavidb cackles maniacally. 13:37 chris_n you can git a list of tags by 'git tag' 13:37 * jdavidb thinks he's answered more git questions so far in 2010 than he has answered Koha questions... 13:37 * chris_n often consults with the oracle at #git 13:37 jwagner Don't worry, we'll catch up on the Koha side :-) 13:37 jdavidb I'm sure. 13:37 * chris_n imagines jdavidb and jwagner on a treadmill that is getting faster and faster 13:38 jwagner "Stop the world, I want to get off" :-) 13:38 chris_n lol :-) 13:38 jdavidb That's a good image, chris_n. Now, to make the image more realistic, imagine me with one leg, and jwagner with one foot all bandaged up, on that treadmill... 13:38 chris_n hehe 13:38 jwagner No problem, we'll just walk on our hands, right? 13:38 * chris_n hands jdavidb a crutch 13:39 chris_n then how will you type code? 13:39 jwagner voice recognition software? 13:40 jdavidb I had Dragon 8 on my PC in Abilene, when I was having a bout with carpal tunnel syndrome. Took a *while* to teach it how to understand perl coding. 13:40 * chris_n has often thought it would be nice to 'think' code into vim 13:41 chris_n wow, redhat has a very slick looking bugzilla interface 13:52 slef hi all 13:52 jwagner Morning, slef 13:53 slef damn. can't see 13:53 slef brb 13:56 slef that's better 13:58 chris_n howdy slef 13:58 chris_n @wunder Dunn, NC 13:58 munin` chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 5.6�C (8:54 AM EST on January 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.41 in 995.8 hPa (Falling). 13:59 jwagner @wunder Bethesda, MD 14:00 munin` jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 1.3�C (8:57 AM EST on January 22, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 1 PM EST this afternoon... 14:00 jdavidb @wunder 20817 14:00 munin` jdavidb: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is 1.5�C (8:54 AM EST on January 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 1 PM EST this afternoon... 14:01 jdavidb Neither one of those are "Bethesda." Sheesh. 14:01 jwagner @wunder jwagner's office (no, the heat isn't fixed yet) 14:01 munin` jwagner: Error: No such location could be found. 14:02 slef so it looks like kohala have got their infernal Java app working, so I miss yet another CA meeting :-( 14:03 chris_n kohala ??? 14:03 chris_n is that like 'koala'? 14:13 Nate Hello #koha 14:13 Nate I hope everyone is doing well today! 14:14 hdl_laptop hi jwagner 14:14 slef chris_n: kohala is roughly the French KUDOS 14:14 chris_n ahh 14:15 jwagner Bonjour hdl_laptop, got your message. Thanks. 14:16 jwagner I finally have my hands on a current head version (thanks jdavidb), but it looks like your changes haven't solved the problem I ran into yesterday. 14:18 hdl_laptop what is the problem ? 14:18 hdl_laptop jwagner: I saw your patch for inventory 14:19 jwagner Actually, your changes have kind of fixed it by eliminating it :-( Under Tools, Inventory, at our level (061) there were some problems with limiting by item type and/or location. Sometimes they would work, sometimes they wouldn't. Your version doesn't have either option to limit. 14:20 jwagner For the ones that didn't work, there are known items with those item types or locations, so it's not a matter of the query coming up empty. 14:21 jwagner I didn't see a bug report on it, but I did see nengard's Bug 4037 referencing item type filter in the new version. That's why I suspected you'd done some work there. 14:21 jwagner (Sheesh, bugzilla is SLOW today!) 14:29 jwagner hdl_laptop, did you have a reason to remove the item type and location limits? 14:30 hdl_laptop itemtype is quite tricky : since you have itype, itemtype, and ccode. 14:30 hdl_laptop itemtype is at bibliolevel 14:31 hdl_laptop location, I can't remember a good reason to remove that 14:31 hdl_laptop itemtype, you may want to control ccode or itype depending on what you are going to do 14:37 jwagner I think our people would be happy to use items.itype and items.location. 14:50 chris_n hdl_laptop: re request.pl email; my debuglevel is 2, but the deep recursion problem appears fixed in the current 3.0.x HEAD even with debuglevel = 2 14:51 hdl_laptop mmm... thx eiro then 14:59 schuster slef - can you expound on the kohala comment or drop me an email with what's going on? I don't read French, but user groups should collaborate...;) 15:04 hdl_laptop schuster: kohala was meant to collaborate with a us group... It is in its bylaws ;) 15:04 schuster hdl_laptop - is there any information about the group someplace and who is active or leading? 15:04 hdl_laptop koha-fr.org 15:05 hdl_laptop there is a kohala page 15:05 hdl_laptop use ggltranslate because it is only french 15:05 schuster once again the French come through! Thanks for the other tip... May have to poll the KUDOS group for someone who read french to keep up with it! 15:09 magnus hm, looks like the download-link on koha-fr.org is pointing to 3.00.04_fixed, even though they host 3.00.05... 15:18 slef magnus: let me see if I have access to fix that. 15:19 slef hrm, it doesn't know my openID 15:20 slef I don't have a password recorded for it 15:20 slef and I probably can't register a new account because it has an eyetest. 15:20 slef #fail 15:20 slef I can't request a password reset because it has an eyetest 15:21 slef #epicfail 15:21 slef I may try the hearing test when I get my headphones, but I hate these things. 15:22 slef schuster: what do you want to know? KohaLA is using a non-FOSS Java app to hold its meeting. Ask us questions and I'll answer when I return. 15:47 schuster slef thanks - Who is the current board of directors? how many members do you currently have? what benefits does koha-fr currently provide? 15:47 schuster slef - what is your current dues? 15:48 schuster dues/membership fee 15:52 slef schuster: http://www.koha-fr.org/node/11 is a buggy list of directors; I don't know the membership numbers; it provides no discernable benefits yet AFAIK; it's EUR20/year but my last payment bounced and no-one answered when I asked for correct details and I've not chased it up yet. 15:58 schuster Thanks! good to know as we start building KUDOS - we want reach out ... 16:00 moodaepo @wunder 56001 16:00 munin` moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -0.8�C (9:55 AM CST on January 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). 16:01 chris_n schuster: are you reloading all 53k images every night into the db? 16:02 schuster yes - again there is no way for me to tell which are new or modified. 16:02 schuster I will do the same with the borrower records once I get a command line utility that I can use with a cron job. 16:03 chris_n I'd think since rsync can tell, that there is file system level info which could be looked at to tell 16:04 chris_n I think there are three dates attached at the file system level iirc 16:04 chris_n they are date created, date last modified, date last accessed 16:05 chris_n date last modified should tell you which have changed I think 16:20 slef chris_n is right at least for most fs 16:20 chipsy my koha doesn't save catalog 16:21 chipsy can anyone help 16:22 slef Thanks for the question, but to help with that, we need a bit more information. You probably need to tell us:- 16:22 slef * Any error message (preferred) or precise problem description, 16:22 slef * How to obtain the error, step-by-step if possible. 16:22 slef (This is copy-pasta. I see many bug reports that are missing vital info like the above and this seems better than you getting no reply.) 16:22 slef 16:23 chipsy if i tried manuall new record, after filling the info on book cat 16:23 chipsy it will ask me to save 16:24 chipsy when i additem it took me to select Xml ... 16:24 chipsy then it hook there 16:25 slef select xml? 16:25 slef First of all, are you using koha 3.0.5? 16:27 chipsy 3.0.1 16:28 slef Is it the LiveCD? 16:28 chipsy no i configure my self 16:29 slef Why such an old version? Has it worked for you before? 16:29 slef I mean: has this installation worked for you before? 16:29 slef What step of http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/cataloging/adding-records do you get to when it takes you to select Xml, and what is shown in the address bar when for "select Xml"? 16:30 chipsy yeah 16:31 chipsy nothing happens 16:32 slef I don't understand, sorry. Maybe someone else will help. 17:32 schuster chipsy - was this the virtual server from Kyle Hall or where did you get your tarball from? 17:35 liz-nekls i think from some organization in brazil? 17:35 schuster wizzyrea - changes her disguise... 17:39 jwagner schuster, you scared her off! 17:54 chris_n owen about? 18:07 chris_n @later tell owen here's an excellent article on the clearfix hack and why to use space rather than period: http://perishablepress.com/press/2008/02/05/lessons-learned-concerning-the-clearfix-css-hack/ 18:07 munin` chris_n: The operation succeeded. 19:13 wizzyrea ok I'm back :P 19:15 jdavidb welcome back, wizzyrea! :P 19:19 wizzyrea hehe thanks 19:32 chris morning 19:46 jdavidb Hi, chris! 19:46 wizzyrea hey chris 19:48 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/perceptions2009.pl 19:51 chris i hope people take note of this 19:53 chris there are some pretty clear lessons on how not to do it 19:54 chris clear, economic realities, which i hope people take note of, and don't make the same mistakes 19:57 chris_n interesting to say the least 19:58 wizzyrea heh, they came in only above 2 products that don't exist. That's telling 19:58 chris_n very 19:59 chris_n yet self-hosted Koha ranked well 19:59 chilts wow, I love it when people put down the _facts_ (and it's clear for all to see) 19:59 slef I think our libraries were all marked as self-hosted Koha. We only got added to LTG very recently. 20:00 slef I have problems promoting that survey because it isn't under anything like Open Database Licence. 20:01 slef biab 20:02 wizzyrea slef: I was going to suggest that next year the co-op would be listed as a vendor, but given your 2nd statement I guess not 20:02 wizzyrea which is totally your right 20:14 chris_n howdy pianohackr|work 20:22 slef wizzyrea: it's interesting research and I hope we'll show up in our own right, but All Rights Reserved goes against my principles. 20:22 wizzyrea understandable 20:24 slef hrm... is he describes "self-support" in the preamble, but I see only "Koha -- Independent" (which could cover that and much else) in the tables. 20:25 slef our principle 4 is autonomy and independence, so I'd say all our libraries are independent but supported by us ;-) http://www.software.coop/info/coopdev.html 20:36 slef bbl