Time  Nick        Message
23:34 russ        if not it sounds like something the UNLP people should add :-)
23:33 russ        ?
23:33 russ        CGI500 is there a readme on the live CD
23:33 chris       normally port 80 for opac port 8080 for intranet (the https means it will be port 443 for opac)
23:33 CGI500      ok thanks for your help
23:32 chris       probably an invalid certificate, like i say, its not a standard koha set up so we dont know what they have done im afraid
23:32 CGI500      in our URL for our OPAC the https is cross over with red line?
23:31 chris       its a non standard set up, so we are just guessing
23:30 brendan     chris++
23:30 chris       i think you will have to ask the koha-UNLP people
23:30 brendan     whoops typo here -- https://192.168.2.66:8080
23:30 CGI500      I had already try that before
23:30 CGI500      this is what i get Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please.
23:29 brendan     ah try http://192.168.2.66:8080
23:27 CGI500      https://192.168.2.66/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl?logout.x=1
23:26 russ        (on your install)
23:26 russ        ?
23:26 russ        and what is that
23:26 CGI500      for the opac? yes
23:26 russ        CGI500 have you got the url for the public interface?
23:26 CGI500      what is the website where I type in my username and password
23:26 brendan     hmmm...  I don't know that one.  maybe someone else will have an idea
23:25 CGI500      I got it from koha-UNLP from argentina
23:25 CGI500      it does not ha ve a graphic mode
23:25 CGI500      it is running under a liveCD
23:25 brendan     ok - it should be the username and password that you set during the install
23:24 CGI500      yes
23:24 brendan     CGI500 - did you just complete an install of koha?
23:22 CGI500      I have a question about where do I login as an administrator so that I can start working with koha
23:21 CGI500      HOla
22:25 * chris_n2  stopped reading after the missing parameter :-O
22:25 chris_n2    yup
22:13 chris       ohh good catch pianohacker re export
21:59 chris_n     bbl
21:48 schuster    itchy scratchy allergic.
21:46 wizzyrea_   :(
21:44 chris       days like this, working on stuff.co.nz is depressing as hell
21:43 chris       http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3231689/Two-NZ-children-die-in-Haiti
21:42 chris       *sad*
21:39 wizzyrea_   oh me too
21:39 chris       that guy makes me homicidal
21:39 * chris     refrains from commenting
21:39 wizzyrea_   which made me laugh a lot
21:39 pianohacker hi wizzyrea_with_awesome_son
21:38 pianohacker oh, wow, that'd be nice
21:38 * brendan   happen to me with my alma matter
21:38 wizzyrea_   my son just identified a picture of pat robertson as grandma
21:38 wizzyrea_   ph! happy new year!
21:38 brendan     maybe one will like you so much - that they will let you know earlier
21:38 pianohacker thanks :)
21:38 chris       fingers and toes crossed for ya
21:38 brendan     bummer
21:37 pianohacker all sent off, just have to wait until april
21:37 brendan     good question chris
21:37 chris       heya pianohacker, hows the school applications going?
21:37 pianohacker no pain today
21:37 brendan     got it right too :D
21:37 pianohacker hi brendan
21:37 rhcl        Well, we have no such silliness here. :)
21:37 brendan     heya pianohacker
21:37 pianohacker well that just takes all the _fun_ out of it
21:37 chris       so there is about 8 cups less sugar in our peanut butter
21:37 brendan     I don't see much incentive for a developer/"vendor" to join - if he's not consider a full member.
21:37 chris       rhcl: we can, but we have like health rules, our food isnt supposed to actually cause heart attacks
21:36 wizzyrea_   like deathly allergic?
21:36 wizzyrea_   peanut-allergy--
21:36 wizzyrea_   boo
21:36 schuster    I'm allergic to peanuts.
21:36 schuster    At this point we really don't know what we would be voting on so we were just concerned in dealing with service contracts.  As developers/vendors make comments to the email.
21:36 wizzyrea_   me too
21:35 rhcl        That's what I like - Smuckers Natural no sugar added
21:35 wizzyrea_   its all the sugar free natural stuff, right?
21:35 wizzyrea_   brendan++
21:35 rhcl        Can't you buy peanut butter in NZ?
21:35 brendan     yeah but we can load up a suitcase - when we fly to NZ
21:34 chris       its crazy expensive to send, so i dont actually recommend doing it
21:34 wizzyrea_   ooh extra crunchy jif, good to kno
21:33 chris       that would work
21:32 brendan     saying that vendor = developer
21:32 chris       http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2008/08/06/write-free-software-and-people-will-send-you-peanut-butter/
21:32 brendan     So vendors can vote on everything except the development aspirations of KUDOS
21:32 wizzyrea_   haha
21:32 chris       :)
21:32 chris       so Jif
21:32 chris       think of the most unhealthy
21:31 wizzyrea_   and crunchy or smooth...
21:31 wizzyrea_   Jif or Peter Pan, I can never remember
21:30 chris       altho peanut butter for my wife is also acceptable
21:30 wizzyrea_   lol chris
21:30 chris       it probably needs to involve chocolate and coffee
21:30 wizzyrea_   hee
21:30 chris       you probably need to figure out some process of how you plan to interact with the RM's
21:30 schuster    ugh oh I hear a soap box coming on.
21:29 chris       speaking as newly elected RM for 3.4
21:29 wizzyrea_   anyway
21:29 wizzyrea_   through LL
21:29 wizzyrea_   oh yea, I imagine that our development coordinating website isn't going to come about Schuster
21:29 schuster    respond to the email ...
21:29 schuster    At the meeting Saturday one of the items that will be discussed are what types of services KUDOS should try to offer.  email list probably but what else...  I'm thinking we could coordinate some development exchange concepts - and those libraries that want to pay can put money into KUDOS services and have a vote on what is developed.
21:29 wizzyrea_   collum you do this just for fun? That's so cool
21:28 chris_n     where should they be directed?
21:28 schuster    Suggestions....
21:28 collum      How about me. Developer - but our library is not on koha.
21:27 chris_n     schuster: one thing to consider is publishing a list of benefits to non-voting, dues paying members
21:27 chris       yeah, thats the thing i was trying to say, but didnt very well
21:27 wizzyrea_   well*
21:27 wizzyrea_   but he's an employee of a library as ewll
21:27 wizzyrea_   he does dev work outside of his library
21:26 wizzyrea_   well like owen kinda
21:26 chris       that vendors can sign
21:26 chris       id love something like kudos to develop one
21:26 chris_n     hybrid
21:26 * chris_n   tries to imagine a library/vendor
21:26 chris       code of ethics
21:26 chris       oh
21:26 chris_n     so what about ethics and a library staffed with developers?
21:26 schuster    Yes wizzyrea, but they I suspect will be covered as a library
21:25 schuster    We don't want the us/them either, but were thinking down the road if we had to contract for things how would that work...  ie training opportunities, development work etc... and we needed a vendor that we had to pay.
21:25 wizzyrea_   I think you're likely going to see more actual librarian developers in a few years
21:24 schuster    Yes we plan to post minutes of each meeting the board holds.  Right now we are in that formative stage - we have a facebook account and that is about all besides the site Kyle Hall as up.
21:24 chris       and less chance to annoy developers, id hate to see an us and them develop, with one notable exception koha has a great history of collaboration
21:24 chris       ie if everyone can see what is being discussed and going on, no ambushes
21:23 schuster    Yes KUDOS would want to be the voice of its membership and open and productive dialog is important.
21:23 chris       could be resolved by total transparency
21:23 * chris_n   likes the dues schedule too
21:23 chris       i think that most of the issues i have
21:23 chris       *nod* i like that
21:23 schuster    keeping the cost low also provided for almost ANY library to be a member - that was a key focus.
21:22 schuster    Yes you could, but there would be more than ONE big library ...
21:22 chris_n     but you could have a big library attempting unethical things too
21:22 schuster    Bigger - provides some equality...  Why should Sioux Falls public library get one vote and Plano ISD with 67 locations get 1 vote..  I was in a group like that before and it was always very unfair I could never get anything to happen.
21:21 chris       schuster: wasnt so much in holding things, more do you plan to work with them etc (im sure the answer is yes)
21:21 chris_n     initially I was thinking that a library's vote could be weighted based on bibs and a vendor just gets 1:1
21:21 chris       seems a bit dangerous
21:21 schuster    We are more of a users group and not overly interested in holding things.  Our primary interest is education and sharing.
21:21 rhcl        No, my comment was intended to be stacatto
21:21 chris       im just unsure bigger should equal more votes
21:20 chris       rhcl: price was certainly not the issue i was speaking of
21:20 schuster    As you see we are already weighting individual library memberships...
21:20 rhcl        The proposed fee schedule seems quite modest. I see I'm paying $106 USD for ALA + LITA
21:20 chris       what relationship does it plan to have with HLT in the short term (as hlt was elected to hold community property) and the foundation in the longer term
21:20 schuster    what would you suggest chris_n?
21:19 chris       i guess another consideration for kudos is
21:19 chris       but feel free to put me in check if im out of line
21:19 chris       i always try to play the ball not the man
21:18 chris       well at least i hope i dont
21:18 chris       i dont think i ever do that
21:18 chris_n     seems that you could have some sort of "weighted" voting system if you wanted to "balance" interestes
21:18 schuster    As long as you don't shoot the messenger!
21:18 * chris     is just thinking out loud
21:17 schuster    We're forging new waters here folks so anything you suggest we are open to...
21:17 chris       im unlikely to have much direct contact with kudos in that respect
21:17 chris       it feels to me like 1990 users groups
21:17 schuster    make a comment to the posted agenda so we can all take it into consideration.
21:16 wizzyrea_   chris_n++
21:16 chris_n     imho, there should be a voting membership level for free-lance developers
21:16 schuster    In the bylaws KUDOS doesn't acutally spell anything out...  You and I know what it originally stood for, we want to engage developers, and get input from them, but our concern was the ethical practices when time comes to use a vendor for something like development.
21:16 chris       ie going proprietary model
21:15 chris       my fear is forcing a user/developer split
21:15 schuster    Yes that is why we put that together to discuss...
21:15 chris       ?
21:15 chris       so the d in kudos is for show only/
21:15 * chris_n   is paying dearly for it, though ;-)
21:15 chris       but i think its a valid issuer
21:14 schuster    Then you could be considered a developer and be in at $10 but no vote.
21:14 * chris     is playing devils advocate
21:14 chris       no one is paying chris_n for his windows work
21:14 chris       what if you arent paid
21:14 schuster    Generally our thinking was if you are paid by a library to work with Koha - then you could influence the vote through your institution.
21:14 chris       whatever partition zebra is on, needs to have fast disk
21:14 chris       mysql the hardest
21:14 chris       schuster: for koha, apache works the least hard of those 3
21:13 chris       that was the issue that i could see problems with
21:13 schuster    chris - since you brought this up - mysql, zebra and apache = what guestimate would you have for load?
21:13 chris       or me when im working on my weekends?
21:13 chris       ie chris_n for example
21:13 ccurry      Great. I'd prefer that to using a tunnel.  Cheers!
21:13 chris       how do you cater for non vendor developers?
21:12 chris       assuming the koha-conf is set up
21:12 schuster    chris - the reason behind vendors not voting - was the possibility in the future as a service - development projects that might be contracted so there wouldn't be any concern with ethical practices.
21:12 chris       (you can have your mysql server on a totally different machine to your webserver and zebrasrv if you want and koha still works)
21:12 ccurry      That should have been an obvious place for me to look too.  Thanks.
21:12 chris       so that it connects to the ip you put in, instead of 127.0.0.1
21:11 chris       ccurry: you can change the koha-conf.xml too
21:11 schuster    wizzyrea - do you all have a document you use as you add a new location?  I just don't want to miss any steps.
21:10 munin       chris: The operation succeeded.
21:10 chris       @later tell gmcharlt it was the voting thing
21:04 ccurry      nevermind...just researched ssh tunneling, and it's a lot easier than I thought.
20:53 ccurry      ...without having to setup an SSH tunnel (or is that what I should do?)
20:53 ccurry      ...install a desktop environment on Debian and install MySQL administrator there, but that seems like overkill.  Anyway, I can grant access to external hosts by replacing the "bind-address = 127.0.0.1" in my my.cnf, line 47, with the ip address of the server.  When I do this, however, zebra can no longer access the db to index new items.  Can anyone explain how I can get around this problem...
20:53 ccurry      This is a basic question and I'm going to feel like an idiot when I get an answer, but I've spent way too long trying to figure it out.  I'm trying to allow access to my koha mysql server from my workstation, running Windows & MySQL Administrator.  I'm used to using MySQL on windows and I like the gui admin for MySQL.  It seems silly to learn all of the cl commands now.  I guess I could...
20:51 gmcharlt    chris: which KUDOS email?  the agenda?
20:51 gmcharlt    hi hdl_laptop - happy new year to you as well
20:50 hdl_laptop  Happy New year
20:50 hdl_laptop  hi gmcharlt
20:49 gmcharlt    rhcl: almost certainly not Koha; certainly the OPAC isn't
20:45 rhcl        .asp - I'm thinking not koha
20:44 rhcl        based on this: http://old.nabble.com/Start-Russian-translation-of-Koha-3.0-td14980243.html
20:44 rhcl        does this look like a koha opac?  http://www.opac.ucu.edu.ua/marcweb/work.asp
20:29 chris       im sure there is at least one in the ukraine too
20:29 chris       http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha
20:29 chris       i just want it on the map
20:29 chris       i know there is one
20:28 chris       we need a library in russia
20:10 chris       http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/No+One+Will+Believe+Me+When+I+M+Dead/19630248
20:10 chris       song of the day time
20:06 wizzyrea_   schuster: sup?
19:57 brendan     +1
19:56 chris       ohh i bet that's gonna start arguments, im not touching the kudos email :-)
19:54 schuster    wizzyrea still here?
19:54 chris       i send patches from chris@bigballofwax when its my homework, and from @catalyst or @liblime or @katipo whatever the case may be, when its work work
19:53 moodaepo    chris: Ok..just checking : )
19:53 chris       its all in docbook xml
19:53 chris       which will hopefully go up on the site, soon
19:52 chris       moodaepo: there is a new documentation repo
19:52 chris_n     schuster: similar thing here
19:52 moodaepo    What about the documentation on the koha.org site?
19:52 chris       its the same most places, apart from the proof bit
19:52 schuster    Now if I do it from home I can put my name on it, but need to show proof it was done from home.
19:51 schuster    In the US Technically working for a school district anything I create while at work is owned by the district.  I can't put my name on it.
19:49 chris       yeah that copyright thing i chalked up us marketing, and we all know marketing only needs to be within 12 blocks of actual truth :-)
19:47 chris       and even that is a 15 min taxi ride, or 40 min bus :)
19:47 chris       plus wellington is small, and has good public transport, no where is far away (less you live out in the burbs like me)
19:46 chris       so any hotel you get close to the convention, works for it too
19:46 schuster    cool
19:46 schuster    Ah then that makes it easy...
19:46 chris       plus its 5-10 mins walk from the convention centre
19:46 schuster    OK - that was just a concern in how people would get from their hotel to your workplace and how much that might cost etc...
19:46 chris       and i can swing it for free
19:45 chris       we have seminar and training rooms, and good internet, and espresso machines and such
19:45 chris       schuster: no not a library, my work place
19:39 chris_n     jdavidb: lol :-)
19:37 schuster    I just posted to the lists the agenda for KUDOS on Saturday - if you can't attend the KUDOS board would still like to get your comments and feedback on the proposed dues and memebership structure.
19:37 chris_n     changes, I understand
19:37 chris_n     I think it boils down to 100 years from the date of first copyright if a renewal is applied for
19:37 nengard     plus if changes have been made by them they can own them ...
19:37 jdavidb     to me, owning Dewey is like owning a cat.  If you have it around you, it owns *you.*.
19:36 nengard     isn't it 75 years after the death?
19:36 * chris_n   apologizes to owen
19:36 chris_n     own, even
19:36 * chris_n   wonders how they can "owen" Dewey when his work is over 100 years old iirc
19:35 chris_n     atz: LL's past contributions certainly cannot be ignored nor should they be disregarded, I agree
19:34 nengard     not even as a kid
19:34 nengard     well - i would be LC anyway - I have never used Dewey
19:34 nengard     LOL
19:34 jdavidb     nengard:  probably so, since OCLC now owns Dewey.  They're fussy.
19:34 atz         but it was fair to say, at some point in the past, that LL was originating the majority of commits, and majority of quality code in Koha.  but that's not the case (for public Koha) anymore.
19:34 chris_n     I think the idea is neat
19:34 nengard     can I get sued if I use Dewey at home?
19:34 * chris_n   agrees
19:33 nengard     to sue them
19:33 jdavidb     (sompin like that)
19:33 nengard     yes, each room has a Dewey number - but that's just stupid
19:33 * chris_n   hands nengard some coffee
19:33 jdavidb     yep.  They were decorating the rooms according to the Dewey classification of the room number.
19:33 nengard     oh - duh :)
19:33 chris_n     dewey
19:33 nengard     DDC?
19:33 chris_n     it seems that the holders of the DDC were suing it
19:33 nengard     looks awesome - but NYC - so expensive I assume
19:33 atz         chris_n: i examined this claim before.  it's basically junk.  it made *some* sense regarding MARC21-only since 3.0 features, including documentation, including all the (large) amount of code in LEK.
19:32 nengard     each room has a genre
19:32 nengard     chris_n yes - it's in NYC
19:32 * chris_n   remembers an article about a library hotel somewhere in the news some time ago
19:32 nengard     atz - not really asking if I can - more if I should have thought of that ... I don't need to copyright them, just wondering what the rules are
19:31 nengard     schuster - but a library has free wi fi and - well - it's a library :) better than a hotel :) hehe
19:31 chris_n     hardly a majority
19:31 atz         nengard: probably would be fine to.  you can make one statement to cover all the help files though.
19:31 chris_n     along with PTFS's 4, that makes 320 occurrences belonging to PTFS when the deal closes
19:31 schuster    ah...  Just looking at the website and the hotels near the convention center got me wondering about the hack fest later.  The Holiday Inn didn't charge us for the room because of the fill rate we had there.
19:31 chris_n     atz: so 316 of those 1802 belonged to LL
19:30 nengard     schuster chris is working on getting discounts and such
19:30 chris_n     if I bugfix, I do nothing
19:30 chris_n     if I totally re-write or originate, I copyright it
19:30 schuster    Just thinking about hotel accomodations for those lucky enough to make it to NZ...
19:30 atz         chris_n: LL acquired Katipo's interests in Koha back when i was working there.
19:30 nengard     however i did write most of the help files in Koha - but didn't copyright them ... should I have?
19:30 chris_n     nengard: what I have done is this: if I add to the file significantly, I add my "name" to the list of copyright holders
19:29 nengard     makes sense
19:29 atz         nengard: technically, sorta.  it's just lame though to try to assert authorship if you are just bugfixing or extending.
19:28 chris_n     of course that includes all of the Yahoo stuff, etc as well
19:28 nengard     chris_n do you know how a file gets a copyright note added to it?  If I come in and edit a file copyright Katipo doesn't that mean I too belong in that copyright note?
19:27 nengard     wizzyrea yes, everything I'm writing now is join copyright Me, BibLibre and ByWater
19:27 chris_n     26 by 'Team' ... presumably 'Koha Dev Team'
19:26 chris_n     42 by 'BibLibre'
19:25 chris_n     242 are followed by the word 'Katipo'
19:24 chris_n     out of 1802 occurrences of the word 'Copyright' in the codebase, it appears that 94 of them are followed by the word 'LibLime' according to grep
19:20 wizzyrea_   except LEK, of course
19:19 wizzyrea_   so new stuff = not their copyright
19:19 wizzyrea_   those copyrights are only for 3.0 though, right?
19:18 nengard     in short - not the same place as the conference
19:18 nengard     or he was trying to get in at a local library - something like that
19:18 nengard     schuster i think he said it was going to be at a local library
19:18 nengard     chris_n yeah that line stuck with me too
19:13 schuster    I know he will followup when he gets there...
19:12 wizzyrea_   chris is afk, bus
19:12 * chris_n   wonders about the accuracy of this statement: "copyrights for the majority of the documentation and source code for the Koha software" made here: http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6714841.html
19:11 schuster    chris - where will the hackfest be?
19:02 jdavidb     Some of the regional bus route-operators up here have wifi on the bus.  Bolt Bus and Peter Pan Lines do.  ($20 to NYC from here.  With wi-fi and power outlets for all.  <3  )
19:01 nengard     chris that's more than any bus I know of in the US
19:01 * chris     wanders off
19:00 chris       i wish more than just the airport bus had free wifi
19:00 chris       ok, bus time, back in 40 mins or so
19:00 chris       good to hear
19:00 atz         thx
19:00 atz         yeah, back in decent health now
18:57 brendan     hey atz - hope you're feeling better :)
18:56 chris       s/it/i/
18:56 chris       so do it
18:53 jwagner     Yep.  Colin's helped us out on a number of things, and I think he'd be a great QA manager.
18:52 chris       so ptfs europe will be busy too
18:52 chris       and colin will be doing QA manager ... unless someone else is mad^H^H^H brave enough to volunteer
18:52 jwagner     PTFS Europe is an independent company, but we have some licensing and consulting arrangements, and that will almost certainly continue.
18:51 atz         jwagner: how closely do you work w/ your European counterparts?
18:50 jwagner     Incidentally, when I say "jdavidb and I" that includes the rest of our staff who don't normally log into the IRC -- we'll ALL be busy!
18:48 chris       thats just my 2cents
18:48 chris       public squeeing, and joy about return to open source ... will help people move in the right directions
18:47 chris       i think that a lot of the future of koha, in the US, is up to the libraries in the US
18:47 jwagner     It's going to be busy around here, for sure!
18:47 wizzyrea_   queeeee!
18:47 jdavidb     please do!
18:47 jwagner     Yes, wizzyrea_, you can squee all you like :-)
18:46 wizzyrea_   can we squee now?
18:46 chris       that sounds fair enough
18:45 chris       hiya jwagner and jdavidb
18:44 chris_n     hi jwagner && jdavidb
18:44 munin       brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 2.7�C (1:39 PM EST on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Falling).
18:44 brendan     @wunder 06516
18:42 jwagner     Our first priority is to maintain and enhance customer support for all the customers, and to continue/complete the development projects currently underway.  That will have to be what jdavidb & I focus on during the transition.
18:41 jdavidb     howdy, brendan.
18:41 brendan     howdy jdavidb
18:41 jwagner     Those decisions will be made above our (jdavidb & mine) pay grade.  We cannot speak for the company on those issues.
18:41 jwagner     We are still in the due diligence phase of the deal, so nothing is final.  That means of course that no decisions on matters of interest will be made yet.
18:40 jdavidb     Hi, nengard! :)
18:40 nengard     hi jdavidb
18:40 jwagner     To head off the bombardment, let me say what I can say at this point.
18:39 jwagner     Thanks.
18:39 nengard     and congrats to ptfs
18:39 nengard     thanks :)
18:39 jwagner     Congratulations to BibLibre and Bywater -- sounds like a great move!
18:39 nengard     so - none of us can type today
18:39 brendan     err..  jwagner
18:38 nengard     hiya even :) hehe
18:38 brendan     hi jane
18:38 nengard     hiaya jwagner
18:38 jwagner     folks, even!
18:38 jwagner     Hi, folk!
18:38 nengard     hiya brendan -- aka big baby :) hehe wearing gloves - i mean really :) hehe
18:37 brendan     hey nengard
18:37 chris       the big things are, the programme (no really???) and more info about accomodation/travel
18:32 chris       the rest are placeholders to remind us what needs to be done still :)
18:31 chris       like the trains and buses one etc
18:31 chris       the ones that work, are the ones that have been done
18:30 chris       im gonna delegate that to
18:30 chris       yeah thats cos its not finished
18:29 nengard     the right
18:29 nengard     chris the links off of that page do not work - like the tabs at the top and the links in the menu on th eright
18:29 chris       cya paul_p
18:28 * paul_p    leaves in a few minuts. Have a good day everybody !
18:27 paul_p      chris: lol
18:26 chris       here endeth the monologue :)
18:25 chris       now the venue and dates are confirmed, i hope i can leave the rest of the planning to others :) ... seems like im gonna be busy enough this year :)
18:25 chris       catalyst is a major sponsor of LCA .. which starts on sunday, so its pretty busy with that at the moment, when that finishes, then i will get back to kohacon planning, im hoping to be able to delegate most of it away now
18:21 chris       i started making maps hehe
18:21 chris       http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/travel/food.html
18:21 chris       if we get extra, it can go on snacks/coffee etc
18:20 chris       i will talk to them, and then send out an email in next couple of weeks
18:20 chris       im sure my work can cover a good amount of that too
18:19 chris       because i know everyone has travel costs too
18:19 chris       yeah i tried to keep it as low as possible
18:19 paul_p      that's not too much
18:19 chris       so any little bit helps
18:19 * paul_p    remember receiving a mail asking if BibLibre want to sponsor, but did not answer it, and wated to ask for some details...
18:19 chris       we need around 4k nz all up
18:18 paul_p      chris: how many $ are you seeking ?
18:18 Nate        awsome!
18:18 chris       paul_p: for the venue
18:18 chris       http://kohacon.appspot.com/
18:18 chris       )
18:17 chris       oh you are already on the site Nate :
18:17 paul_p      chris: deposit ? which deposit ?
18:17 Nate        you know to count us in!
18:16 chris       (im speaking about koha there at the education miniconf)
18:16 chris       speaking of kohacon... i need to talk to some more potential sponsors and pay the deposit, i think in a week or so after lca2010.org.nz which is on next week
18:14 chris       hiya hdl_laptop
18:13 hdl_laptop  hi chris
18:13 chris       we might just catch the end of rugby season too
18:12 Nate        BTW I weigh 135lbs soaking wet
18:12 chris       :-)
18:12 Nate        or maybe ill join the beige brigade for a week to kick some kiwi rumps!
18:11 Nate        I definately want to see a cricket match when we are up for Koha '10!
18:09 chris       and all this rain is ruining cricket season
18:06 chris       the weather is mental
18:06 chris       (cos of those high winter averages)
18:06 chris       2009 was our warmest year on record tho
18:05 chris       winter was warmer than usual, summer colder than usual
18:05 munin       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7�C (7:00 PM CET on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
18:05 cait        @wunder Konstanz
18:05 chris       it seems like the seasons are flattening
18:05 chris       we have actually been unseasonably cold
18:04 Nate        ok so youre pretty warm this time of year
18:03 chris       stupid clouds
18:03 munin       chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on January 15, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
18:03 chris       @wunder wellington nz
18:02 chris       brr
18:02 Nate        close enough
18:02 chris       thats pretty close to freezing eh?
18:02 Nate        thinking about wearing my shag carpet sandals out today
18:01 Nate        actually its a balmy 38 F here
18:01 chris_n     hi chris, cait
18:01 brendan     Yup got a hat and gloves on - so please excuse any typos (from fat fingers)!
18:00 Nate        always!
18:00 chris       hey nate, brendan still complaining about the cold?
18:00 Nate        hi cait and chris
17:54 chris       morning
17:54 brendan     hiya cait
17:54 cait        hi #koha
17:25 paul_p      chris_n++
17:24 * chris_n   thinks appamor == headache
17:13 rhcl        rhcl has a goose too
17:04 nengard     Oh - yeah I found that one already it only had 4
17:03 nengard     Thank you!!!!
17:03 toins       nengard: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/templates.mspx
17:01 nengard     okay - disclaimer before I ask this - I do not want to use powerpoint - i have to --- now does anyone know a good place to get tempaltes for powerpoint for Mac?
16:45 schuster    hmmm  the possibilities.
16:45 owen        Yes
16:45 schuster    Basically anyplace that has a table?
16:45 schuster    so owen we could do the same to request.tmpl?
16:42 chris_n     and considers trying google translate on the messages
16:38 * chris_n   google chats with his 3 year old :-)
16:27 schuster    doesn't hurt to give it a try though and see what kind of screams I hear... ;)
16:26 owen        That might apply to you
16:26 owen        My understanding was that because some libraries have huge numbers of holdings having the tablesorter on the staff side would slow things down too much.
16:25 owen        detail.tmpl. You'd have to make sure the tablesorter js referenced the right element ID from detail.tmpl
16:25 schuster    I would stick it into the detail.pl?  that still will work?
16:25 owen        yes, you could add the table sorter to the staff side if you wanted
16:23 schuster    owen - question about the table sorter.  I'm playing a bit - in the opac it is part of the opac-detail.tmpl - in staff the table I want to sort is part of detail.pl so can I still use this?
16:05 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
16:05 owen        hdl_laptop: I've filed a bug I hope you can investigate: Bug 4045
15:58 nengard     I wouldn't recommend doing it in the pac
15:58 schuster    But if you are doing collection development and search for a title (this is where it is problematic) you order another one because yours is on loan to another location.
15:58 nengard     well since it's the staff client we could put in an enhancement request to show both on the summary below the bib record details
15:57 owen        schuster: We're the opposite. We usually want to know where it is, not where it belongs. But that's because we can tell where it belongs from the barcode. :|
15:57 schuster    I'm thinking that "Location" should really be linked to the home library not current.
15:57 nengard     i'm not in a library so i have no clue if it bothers librarians ;) hehe was just wondering where you were looking
15:56 nengard     got it
15:56 schuster    I don't see it unless you click on the barcode and look at home location.
15:56 munin       moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.2�C (9:53 AM CST on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising).
15:56 moodaepo    @wunder 56001
15:56 schuster    in pac or staff when you search for a title?
15:55 nengard     where are they looking? cause the item record summary shows both locations ...
15:55 schuster    Does that bother anyone else?
15:54 schuster    OK need some information here...  When a book is loaned and checked out to another location it is driving my librarians nuts that on the display screen it is showing current location rather than home location so they never know if they own that book or not.
15:50 kf          hi hdl_laptop
15:49 hdl_laptop  hi kf
15:49 hdl_laptop  hi brendan
15:45 munin       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.2�C (4:40 PM CET on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady).
15:45 kf          @wunder Konstanz
15:45 kf          morning brendan
15:41 munin       brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 2.1�C (10:39 AM EST on January 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Rising).
15:41 brendan     @wunder 06516
15:41 brendan     morning #koha
15:27 hdl_laptop  hi nengard
15:26 munin       hdl_laptop: kyle was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <kyle> Kyle Hall, Crawford County Federated Library System, Meadville, PA
15:26 hdl_laptop  @seen kyle
15:21 wizzyrea_   good luck
15:21 nengard     okay - I'll be back soon - hopefully without a headache
15:21 nengard     not sure what else would get me to kansas again now that most of you are on Koha already
15:21 nengard     ooo - wizzyrea you should invite me to do that :) hehe
15:20 nengard     I'm in my house and my toes feel like they're going to fall off
15:20 wizzyrea_   poor nengard. Heh, I had a dream about you last night... I dreamt you were at NEKLS for a book signing.
15:20 owen        :D
15:20 nengard     you have no sympathy from me
15:20 nengard     Oh poor baby
15:20 Nate        boo hoo
15:20 nengard     Hi Brendan!
15:20 Nate        he's complaining about the cold
15:20 nengard     i'm going to take a long long steamy shower - hoping the steam will relieve my sinus pressure :(
15:20 wizzyrea_   man, I wanted to go to ALA just to go to the party >.>
15:20 Nate        Brendan is reading over my shoulder and says hi to everyone
15:19 Nate        heading up tommorow morning
15:19 nengard     got it
15:19 nengard     I know he's going - just not sure if he was there yet
15:19 Nate        not yet
15:19 Nate        nope just at home raiding the cabinet
15:19 wizzyrea_   if I had to guess Nate is at ALA
15:18 nengard     Nate are you in a hotel? that's something that hotels with breakfast always seem to have available
15:18 Nate        but honestly they were pretty dang good
15:18 wizzyrea_   you're welcome :D
15:17 wizzyrea_   hehe I walked into that
15:17 Nate        you set me up for that one
15:17 Nate        THEYRE GRRRRREEEEAT!
15:17 wizzyrea_   how were they?
15:17 Nate        I just ate Frosted Flakes for the first time in like 20 years!
15:01 wizzyrea_   Hi Nate :)
15:00 Nate        Hi wizzyrea_!
14:59 liz-nekls   hey everybody
14:51 owen        Hi liz-nekls
14:33 schuster    There is a pref for if they are logged in to search local holdings
14:30 nengard     hehe
14:30 collum      I'm back.
14:30 collum      Another option, if the patron is logged in, would be to have the patron's home branch listed first, and the alphabetical.
14:30 nengard     and i know why people want fewer prefs - but at the same time the more we have the more people can customize on their own
14:30 owen        We should have a sys pref for how many sys prefs there are.
14:30 nengard     this is why there are so many sys prefs
14:29 schuster    I also understand owens comment.
14:29 schuster    I could do that thanks.
14:29 owen        schuster why not file a bug report?
14:28 nengard     I would too - but i see what owen is saying
14:28 schuster    hmmm ok I'd just like them in alpha!
14:28 nengard     that is so true
14:28 nengard     LOL
14:27 owen        As soon as you switch it to be alphabetical by default you'll get a library who says, "But we want our MAIN library to be listed first, then each other in descending order of importance!"
14:27 nengard     owen that's my guess too - they entered them in alpha order
14:26 schuster    I'll contact Cory and see what he has to say.
14:26 owen        But I don't know.
14:26 owen        Seems likely that theirs were added in that order too, just came out to be alpha for them.
14:26 schuster    Not the detail but the summary
14:25 schuster    Search result screen where all the titles are listed and then in green locations are noted.  On my install they are as they were added to the database.  Theirs looks to be alpha.
14:24 owen        schuster: Or are you referring to the summary of copies available on the search results screen?
14:20 schuster    self supported I believe.  Cory Yeager was at KohaCon09 and stayed for the development days after.
14:20 owen        Are you referring to this screen? http://koha.dce.k12.wi.us/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=17081
14:20 schuster    self hosted
14:19 owen        schuster is that a PTFS client?
14:18 schuster    My Librarians would LOVE that.
14:18 schuster    http://koha.dce.k12.wi.us/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=twilight&idx=kw&istp=1&lex1=
14:18 schuster    On another note...  I see on DC everest catalog it looks as though their locations are in alpha order on the summary screen...
14:16 schuster    Ok that's the end of my tirade on lexile - fyi registration is free to lexile.
14:13 schuster    oooo.... Donuts...
14:10 collum      Donuts in the breakroom. bbiab. priorities.
14:09 nengard     yup
14:09 owen        :P to them.
14:09 nengard     owen - i'd have to register
14:09 collum      With my spelling I would probably get a high rating. :)
14:09 schuster    That is very true...  You will see lexiles on Ebsco and Gale product articles too...
14:08 nengard     I doubt I am
14:08 nengard     LOL
14:08 owen        nengard: You can lexile your blog and find out if you're using enough big words ;)
14:08 schuster    Mind you if you take a paragraph from the first of the book, middle and end you will probably come up with totally different numbers.
14:07 schuster    http://www.lexile.com/analyzer/
14:07 schuster    You can lexile a book - take a paragraph from something and run it through their algorithm.
14:06 schuster    library asking for books with a lexile range and the public libraries have no clue.
14:06 schuster    So many picture books are NOT lexiled because they have so few words - and the process falls apart.  That's when you have the parents after parent/teacher conferences going to the public
14:06 collum      It would be nice if they showed the criteria by which a book was rated.
14:05 schuster    The theory is that you find books in your "range" and you will become a more successful reader.
14:05 schuster    Probably because of the made up words, but its sentence structure is probably pretty complex as well.
14:04 schuster    I just searched clockwork orange and it has a lexile of 1310L
14:04 schuster    http://www.lexile.com/search/filters/results/
14:03 schuster    bbiam
14:03 collum      Kentucky is doing the same.
14:03 schuster    Books have a specific number, but a person may have a range - 400-475
14:03 collum      How would you rate something like "Clockwork Orange?" A book with lots of made up vocabulary.
14:03 nengard     hmm
14:03 schuster    Texas in the last 2 years has put lexile scores on the state test telling parents what their child's range is.
14:02 nengard     i forget what library asked me about lexile searching when i was training them ... i'm now assuming it wasn't you schuster
14:02 schuster    So therefore may not have an accurate rating.
14:02 schuster    Some of his books are 300 others are 1800.  When a new book comes out if it isn't officially lexiled they may use a "range" which would be an "average" based on previous books.
14:01 nengard     yeah - i can see why you wouldn't like this
14:01 nengard     bleh
14:01 schuster    If you look at their Lexile database they have maybe 125,000 books "Officially" lexiled.  My favorite example is John Grisham who writes books with a range of lexiles.
14:01 owen        I don't like that a company "owns" it. :(
14:00 collum      Are the numbers assigned by humans or machine?
14:00 nengard     okay - that's just silliness - I suck at test taking but I rock at reading - I would have been a really low level according to the test
14:00 schuster    metametrics is a company that owns the lexile "formula"  Lexile is a formula they developed to analyze a book and assign it a lexile.
13:59 schuster    Lexile is a number assigned a book based on word length and sentence structure.
13:59 collum      Is "metametrics" a computer algorithm?
13:59 nengard     thanks for the link collum
13:59 collum      I'm reading http://www.lexile.com/about-lexile/lexile-overview/
13:59 schuster    owen and nengard - exactly - you have heard of Accelerated reading?  well many of the same arguments apply.
13:58 owen        I can see parents using it as a guide to what books might be appropriate for their kids' reading level
13:53 nengard     I was reading adult level books in 5th grade already
13:52 nengard     are you saying libraries use lexiles to limit what kids can read?
13:52 nengard     schuster want to give your lexile rant here? I just read your email and have to admit that I hadn't heard of lexiles until working with koha
13:46 * owen      is optimistic, considering no time travelers have come back from the year 3000 to warn us of the great Koha wars
13:45 * chris_n   wonders off to finish rebuilding his production Koha server
13:44 chris_n     this certainly could be a major point in Koha's history
13:43 chris_n     yup
13:43 Nate        Exciting Times!!
13:43 Nate        so far they have done nothing to suggest they would do otherwise
13:43 chris_n     yes, the press release did quote Yokley as speaking of resolving community issues
13:42 Nate        I have all the confedence in them, however
13:42 * chris_n   too
13:42 Nate        I'm sure he will, I just hope it answers some of our questions
13:41 chris_n     Yokley will probably have some statement to make
13:41 chris_n     I'm sure that some statement will be forthcoming as PTFS is not ignorant of what has transpired of late
13:41 Nate        ahh that could be it chris_n
13:40 nengard     mostly people there to absorb info - not try and get more info
13:40 chris_n     I was thinking that they might not be authorized to speak on behalf of their employer
13:40 Nate        just my opinion
13:40 nengard     Nate at ALA there are fewer people to ask the hard questions
13:40 Nate        I would think that telling us news via irc is less awkward than at ALA in a press conference?
13:39 * chris_n   does not blame them
13:39 chris_n     probably trying to avoid awkward situations
13:39 schuster    They also could be in Boston setting up booths for this large conference coming up since it is so close to them.
13:39 Nate        suprising
13:39 chris_n     this one and the last
13:39 chris_n     owen: yes, absent for both meetings
13:39 schuster    that's what I suspect owen...
13:38 chris_n     opps :-(
13:38 owen        I noticed jwagner and jdavidb were significantly absent yesterday. News blackout?
13:38 schuster    This weekend!  15-18th?
13:38 nengard     chris_n - no it starts tomorrow and ends the 19th
13:38 chris_n     or maybe 18th
13:38 chris_n     19th... iirc
13:38 kf          when is ALA midwinter?
13:38 owen        Someday a library sugar-daddy will decide I need to go to ALA meetings and I'll get to see these things in person.
13:38 chris_n     I wonder if we'll see the PTFS folks around until after ALA?
13:37 * chris_n   agrees with schuster
13:37 owen        schuster I think you and nengard are both correct.
13:37 nengard     those of you going to ALA midwinter will have to fill the rest of us in
13:37 nengard     I think we have to wait for the press conference for that
13:36 schuster    PTFS coming out telling us exactly what they are planning to do with community!!!  that is the answer on topping yesterday!
13:35 Nate        hiya paul_p
13:35 owen        So how can we top yesterday?
13:35 paul_p      good morning Nate, nengard, Ropuch, kf, chris_n, owen schuster & everybody
13:35 owen        Hi Nate
13:32 Nate        Good morning chris_n,kf,Ropuch,nengard,schuster, and owen!
13:29 owen        If you want to show "new and upcoming" I would think that would be just a few
13:29 owen        zico, why would you want to do 10,000 books?
13:28 schuster    zico - couldn't you do it with a mysql report?
13:25 kf          hi nengard
13:20 nengard     hiya all
13:14 kf          hi Ropuch
13:13 Ropuch      s/Ho/Hi
13:13 Ropuch      Ho kf, chris_n
13:05 kf          good morgning chris_n
13:04 chris_n     g'morning #koha
11:42 zico        is there any other way to do it?
11:42 zico        but... u know.. .it`s too hard for 10,000 + books
11:42 zico        i am inserting each and every author, title, isbn number of each and every book
11:42 zico        i am doing this manually... but... is there any way to do it in a little bit easy form?
11:41 zico        there. i saw... i need to "populate my current database"
11:41 zico        last night chris gave me a link of owen where it showed about "upcoming book" feature adding
11:41 zico        hi
11:02 zico        hi
11:00 kf          hi #koha
10:14 CGI372      00000
09:30 CGI672      e cineva aici???
09:25 CGI672      hellooooo
08:55 * toins     now goes to a meeting... brb
08:53 chris       that part is not too hard, its converting C4::Output and changing the .pl files that will take a little while
08:53 toins       chris : wow good !
08:53 magnus      script++
08:53 chris       actually i have a script to convert them
08:50 toins       it will be a huge work to rewrite all templates using T::T !
08:50 toins       i've just read your proposal
08:49 chris       thank you
08:48 toins       chris : congrats for being RM for koha 3.4 !
08:47 * toins     remembers too !
08:46 * chris     still remembers riding in toins car between marseille and cassis
08:46 toins       i'm fine
08:46 toins       hi chris !!
08:45 chris       how are things?
08:45 chris       wow, toins :)
08:24 toins       hello paul_p
08:24 paul_p      hi toins
08:23 toins       hi Ropuch
08:21 Ropuch      AHi toins
08:21 Ropuch      Interesting, in english 'M�nchhausen' is written without "h" (so it's derived from english film title with incorrect spelling)
08:19 toins       hello all
08:19 Ropuch      Hi paul_p, hdl_laptop
08:11 paul_p      will today be a quiet day? ;-)
08:11 paul_p      hello #koha
07:25 Ropuch      Hello chris
07:24 chris       hi Ropuch
07:20 Ropuch      Morning #koha
06:30 CGI896      Buna
04:17 chris_n2    bedtime... g'night
04:06 richard     hometime
04:06 richard     ooh
04:05 chris       hometime
03:36 chris_n2    lets see win32 do that
03:36 chris_n2    I love it... 386 days since the last reboot
03:36 masonj      heh, i bet
03:35 chris_n2    it never pages memory
03:34 masonj      dual cpus look to be the way to go , for prod koha3s..
03:34 masonj      thats one grunty squid-box
03:33 chris_n2    but no complaints about latency by the users :-)
03:33 chris_n2    a bit
03:33 chris_n2    heh
03:33 masonj      yow, overkill?
03:33 chris_n2    w/ 8GB
03:33 chris_n2    the proxy server I admin runs a 2.53G Core2 Duo
03:30 masonj      yada yada... :)
03:30 masonj      and mysql-innodb tuning..
03:30 masonj      so i can start experimenting with 64bit linux
03:30 chris_n2    nice
03:29 chris       back
03:29 masonj      6 or 8 gig, with a duo cpu (or AMD equiv?)
03:29 chris_n2    what kind of specs?
03:29 masonj      im planning to buy a new dev box, for xmas
03:28 chris_n2    still a bit pricey for me yet, though
03:28 masonj      im curious too about SSD's
03:27 chris_n2    and kill the mechanical latency
03:27 * chris_n2  would like to run a huge solid state drive
03:27 masonj      app. theres a 2gig per-process limit on a vanilla 32bit linux kernel
03:27 chris_n2    ahh, nice
03:27 masonj      im hoping it will allow mysql to be allocated more than 2gigs of mem..
03:26 chris_n2    masonj: cool
03:26 masonj      Linux fugu 2.6.30-bpo.1-686-bigmem #1 SMP
03:25 masonj      i just got round to running my dev-box with a BIGMEM kernel
03:23 chris_n2    it was a good meeting
03:23 * brendan   heads to read the transcripts/logs from IRC today... missed most of it
03:22 brendan     wild goose sounds good
03:22 chris_n2    it was fantastic
03:22 chris_n2    yeah, we made some venison and wild goose vegetable stew a few weeks ago
03:21 * chris_n2  tries to keep from drooling on his keyboard
03:21 brendan     yummy
03:21 brendan     excellent - vension stew
03:21 chris_n2    how'd your stew go over?
03:21 munin       brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is -2.7�C (10:09 PM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady).
03:21 brendan     @wunder 06516
03:21 brendan     heya chris_n2
03:21 munin       chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -2.9�C (10:17 PM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady).
03:21 chris_n2    @wunder 28334
03:21 chris_n2    wb brendan
03:20 chris_n2    yeah, things got too messed up
03:20 chris       ok, brb
03:20 chris       etch .. thats pretty old
03:20 chris_n2    I ended up ditching debian etch and loading up ubuntu 9.10 on my production box today
02:58 chris       yeah that was cool, i hope it becomes a habit
02:57 chris_n2    nice to see joe drop in for a bit today
02:43 chris       heh
02:40 chris_n2    and trembles with fear
02:40 * chris_n2  tries to imagine chris cracking a whip over the Koha code mules :-)
02:21 thd         I will be certain that he does not forget that.
02:21 thd         John Yokley is on record for openness when the LEK issue came up.
02:20 chris       open communication is the key
02:19 chris       *nod*
02:19 thd         The things whch went wrong with PTFS and the rest of the Koha community in the past happened when communication was not engaged well enough.
02:17 thd         whatever happens PTFS is approachable and talks
02:12 gmcharlt    perish the thought! ;)
02:07 chris       or does me being release manager worry you that much? :)
02:07 chris       ptfs are active in the community, send patches, do work, talk on irc, talk on mailing lists, thats a big step forward
02:04 chris       way i see, we at least have a chance now
02:04 chris       really?
01:59 SelfishMan  I fear for the community
00:12 IrmaCalyx   excellent ;-) ...
00:11 chris       excellent i hope to catch up for a beer for part of it ;)
00:11 IrmaCalyx   Pity, I wont be in NZ next week but Bob looks forward to the visit. He has an action packed agenda!
00:09 IrmaCalyx   Colin ++
00:09 IrmaCalyx   Thks Chris. Must work
00:09 chris       Colin is who it is, and he has already proven himself a huge asset, with 20+ patches under his belt
00:08 chris       pretty big i think, not sure
00:08 chris       yep, but ultimately its up to them to choose wether to be involved or not
00:08 IrmaCalyx   PTFS Europe, how large is the company?
00:06 IrmaCalyx   libraries gain much when they get involved
00:06 chris       they are only out if they choose to be
00:06 chris       so its up to the libraries to do the same
00:06 chris       committing code back, answering questions on the mailing list, in fact the qa manager for 3.4 is looking to be a ptfs europe employee
00:05 chris       ptfs to date have behaved well
00:05 chris       yes and no
00:04 IrmaCalyx   with all the demands on librarians time they will focus on their relationship with their vendor and often not engage with the OSS community
00:02 IrmaCalyx   in the reality of life
00:02 IrmaCalyx   Libraries are still locked out of participating in the Koha Community when they contract with such companies...
00:01 chris       api level integration is fine
00:01 chris       which is fine, the license allows that, its only when its low level (code level) integration that they would need to gpl it
00:00 chris       dont think so, but it isnt open source
00:00 IrmaCalyx   ?
00:00 IrmaCalyx   Is their "Digital Library System" available only a SaaS or hosted