Time  Nick         Message
00:00 chris_n2     prior to reindexing zebra
00:00 someoneagain woah strange
00:00 someoneagain i would have assumed it would have been the other way around
00:00 someoneagain reaffirming my belief that zebra is voodoo
00:03 chris_n2     zebra just indexes certain fields of the bibs iirc
00:03 * chris_n2   is not a zebra handler, though
00:03 chris_n2     throw me to the lions, but please not the zebras ;-)
00:05 chris_n2     clone->(pianohackr|work)
00:21 * chris_n2   hates it when a remote reboot fails on a server 15 miles away :-P
00:37 chris_n2     bbiab
00:39 chris        better than 15,000 miles away :)
00:52 chris        @wunder wellington nz
00:52 munin        chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
00:56 chris_n      hehe
00:56 chris_n      from 15 miles away from chris_n2
01:06 Genji        okay, where is template language stored, in koha 3? what would cause en to be picked up, instead of ar-Arab?
01:06 Genji        For some things.. not all things..
01:07 chris        en is the default
01:07 chris        if it cant find the arabic template
01:07 chris        it will drop back to en
01:07 chris_n      and we're back up
01:08 chris        also, it respects the languages setting of a persons browser
01:08 chris_n      fsck threw and error on boot and the system dropped into maintenance mode
01:08 chris        if they havent picked a language in the opac explicitly, it will try to give them the one their browser is asking for
01:08 chris        chris_n: yeah, ILOM are the win for that
01:09 chris        or even an serial port -> ethernet and have console to serial port :)
01:10 chris_n      sadly, @INC is not fixed
01:10 chris        bummer
01:10 * chris_n    cannot figure out what happened there
01:11 chris_n      it appears that @INC is hardcoded in the perl binary (from what little I could extract from #perl-help)
01:12 chris_n      but if there were an issue with the .deb, the roof would be off by now
01:12 chris_n      so how to roll back to 5.10.0
01:13 * chris_n    heads back home
01:13 chris_n      bbiab
01:41 chris_n2     would cpan'ing Storable actually cpan Perl?
01:43 chris        thats a definite maybe
01:49 chris_n2     aha
01:49 chris_n2     216:2010-01-12 12:10:46 upgrade perl 5.10.0-22 5.10.1-8
01:49 chris_n2     that stinks
01:50 chris_n2     it looks like it was a dep of a perl module I installed
02:51 chris_n2     g'night #koha
02:51 brendan      night chris_n2
03:34 Amit         hi brendan, chris
03:34 Amit         morning #koha
03:34 brendan      Hi Amit
05:34 brendan      @wunder 93117
05:34 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.0�C (9:31 PM PST on January 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).  High surf advisory in effect from 8 PM this evening to 9 am PST Friday...
05:34 brendan      @wunder 06516
05:34 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is -6.5�C (12:09 AM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Rising).
06:40 CGI828       hi when I try to import record via z39.50 and want to add it it show '003 is not filled'
06:41 CGI828       wht should I do
06:41 CGI828       If fill manually then it accept and save
07:13 brendan      evening all
07:13 brendan      @wunder 93117
07:13 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.1�C (11:06 PM PST on January 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady).  High surf advisory in effect from 8 PM this evening to 9 am PST Friday...
07:13 Ropuch       Morning #koha
07:13 brendan      hi Ropuch
09:42 kf           hi #koha
09:48 paul_p       hello everybody
09:49 kf           hi paul_p
10:16 Amit         hi nicomo
10:40 nicomo       hi Amit
11:16 kf           hi Amit and nicomo
11:17 Amit         heya kf
12:59 brendan      morning all
13:00 paul_p       hi brendan
13:00 brendan      good morning paul_p
13:01 brendan      happy belated birthday!
13:02 paul_p       thanks brendan ;-)
13:23 brendan      @wunder 93117
13:23 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (5:17 AM PST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Rising).  Coastal Flood Advisory in effect until 1 PM PST this afternoon... 
13:29 brendan      morning owen
13:32 * chris_n    thinks brendan has been up for a while
13:32 chris_n      g'morning #koha
13:32 Nate         hello everyone!
13:32 chris_n      @wunder 28334
13:32 munin        chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -3.0�C (8:27 AM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).
13:33 brendan      morning chris_n
13:34 brendan      yup been up - the rain woke me up a little while ago (very loud)
13:35 chris_n      we have a metal roof and at times it is nice... other times deafening
13:36 brendan      oh man - I don't think I've ever get any sleep with a metal roof and a rain storm...
13:56 owen         Hey all
13:59 chris_n      howdy owen
14:03 brendan      hi owen
14:10 someoneagain so when trying to run ./rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b          i got this error
14:10 someoneagain Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC
14:10 someoneagain so i found that the Context.pm was in koha/lib/C4 and ran this
14:10 someoneagain perl -I /data/koha/lib/ rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b
14:11 someoneagain it worked but i guess my question is- is that normal? should /data/koha/lib be in perls @INC ?
14:12 toins        someoneagain: try this : export PERL5LIB="/data/koha/lib/" and then rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b
14:12 toins        someoneagain: yes /data/koha/lib/ should be in perl5lib
14:12 someoneagain weird... i have this in my /etc/rc.local
14:12 someoneagain export PERL5LIB=/data/koha/lib &
14:13 someoneagain but if i type       export |grep PERL        i get no returns... uh..
14:14 someoneagain is that not the right way to set a variable? putting it in /etc/rc.local ?
14:15 toins        someoneagain: not sure... what is your OS ?
14:16 someoneagain centos 5.4
14:16 someoneagain Linux library 2.6.18-164.el5 #1 SMP Thu Sep 3 03:33:56 EDT 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
14:17 toins        someoneagain: you can set this env var in ~/.bashrc
14:19 someoneagain ive been tinkering with unix/linux for a few years, but ill admit im not at all fluent. i was under the impression that anything in the ~/.bashrc only gets executed when that user logs in, right?   if that is so, what i was curious about is this- does perl always need to know to look in /data/koha/lib even when noone is logged in? thats why i thought /etc/rc.local would have made it systemwide, that is to say, even if noone
14:22 chris_n      someoneagain: koha-httpd.conf handles the envar for Koha
14:23 chris_n      you need to include the export statements in your user .bashrc if you want them to load automatically
14:23 chris_n      else you need to export prior to running the cli scripts
14:23 toins        chris_n : but zebra isn't running under apache vhost...
14:23 chris_n      koha-conf.xml has the pathing zebra needs to run iirc
14:24 chris_n      plus, zebra does not use the C4 libs
14:24 chris_n      if you run rebuild_zebra.pl from crontab, you have to deal with KOHACONF and PERL5LIB, though
14:28 kf           bye #koha
14:28 chris_n      bye kf
14:37 CGI454       hi
15:05 nengard      hi all - i won't be around for the meeting this afternoon so I'm posting my newsletter notes in the agenda - just fyi
15:11 magnus       the meeting is in about 4 hours, right?
15:14 nengard      yes
15:16 * owen       has to be at another meeting then :(
15:18 nengard      seems like today is a busy day for all
15:18 nengard      i'm split 100 ways today
15:18 nengard      in a webinar right now - chatting with you all - and doing my work work :)
15:23 schuster     what webinar are you in?  Always interested in what others are "watching/hearing"...
15:24 owen         Maybe it's on how to do three things at once
15:24 brendan      heh
15:24 schuster     brendan is here!  It's probably a company meeting... LOL!!!!
15:25 brendan      good morning schuster
15:25 brendan      I'm getting ready to catch a flight - so I'll be missing the meeting too, unless my plane has got wi-fi
15:25 brendan      I maybe able to catch a little bit of it during my layover...
15:27 schuster     I believe the KUDOS board is going to post the agenda and some discussion points later today or tomorrow to spur discussion on Saturday about membership etc...  FYI.
15:30 nengard      schuster - learning about zotero - i don't know enough of how to use it yet
15:31 nengard      brendan Delta has wi fi -
15:31 brendan      oh cool I'm flying delta
15:33 schuster     Ah yes zotero - good tool, but saves to the hard drive rather than virtually read an article today about syncing your hard drive to their server today.
15:34 nengard      schuster - new version saves to the web
15:34 nengard      it's in beta
15:34 schuster     do you twitter?  what is your sceen name?  I've got an app for my iphone since I can't get it at work...
15:34 schuster     beta automatically or you have to sync?
15:37 nengard      schuster - don't know havent installed it yet
15:37 nengard      and yes i twitter -- nengard
15:39 nengard      also follow kohails on twitter
15:48 wizzyrea     wow you guys are quiet
15:51 schuster     waiting for you to say something profound...;)
15:51 wizzyrea     I climbed to the top of the mountain and saw the Yogi. He told me "Go back down"
15:52 nicomo       wizzyrea: that wasn't in KS, right?
15:52 nicomo       too flat, I guess
15:52 wizzyrea     hey, we have hills
15:52 nicomo       oh?
15:52 nicomo       sorry, didn't know :-)
15:53 wizzyrea     it's ok :D
15:53 nicomo       put that down on my Europeo-centrism
15:53 * nicomo     suspects that's not an English word...
15:53 schuster     hills are very different than mountains...  A snow drift doesn't count...;)
15:53 nicomo       eh eh
15:53 * paul_p     is on a page saying "clic 'Order' once you have filled your credit card #, but can't find any button saying 'order' ...
15:54 owen         nicomo: In face wizzyrea lives in the only part of Kansas with its own "mountain" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Oread
15:56 nicomo       owen: right, up about 150 feet from downtown Lawrence, culminating at 1037 feet
15:58 wizzyrea     Schuster: like you can talk, texas boy :)
15:58 nicomo       interesting
15:58 * nicomo     improving his English, now knows that "hill" and "road bump" are synonyms ?
15:58 nicomo       ok, I stop teasing
15:58 wizzyrea     LOL
15:59 wizzyrea     nicomo: I like you
16:01 nicomo       wizzyrea: funnily enough, Lyon where I live culminates at exactly 1000 feet also
16:01 nicomo       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyon
16:02 collum       Hey. Texas has mountains.  Just a short 8 hour drive from schuster
16:04 wizzyrea     LOL
16:04 wizzyrea     that is a strange coincidence of geography, nicomo
16:05 schuster     I'm really a South Dakota/Minnesota boy - Black hills...  Big rocks out of the ground...  hmmm how did those presidents get up there...
16:08 nengard      News from ByWater/BibLibre this morning: http://bywatersolutions.com/?p=312
16:08 nicomo       yeah, way cool, this is going to be an interesting day
16:08 nicomo       ByWater and BibLibre Announce Partnership to Provide Services for #Koha Users in the U.S. See http://bit.ly/680MQG and http://bit.ly/6yzobr
16:08 nicomo       and with that I have to go get my daughter, bbl
16:10 wizzyrea     oh that is exciting
16:10 paul_p       1st breaking news of the days ;-)
16:10 wizzyrea     woo!
16:10 paul_p       do you think it was one of the "Expect some ILS news tomorrow" twit from mbreeding? ;-)
16:11 wizzyrea     lol
16:19 nengard      paul_p - somehow I missed that yesterday  -I follow too many people
17:07 * chris_n    goes off in search of food
17:07 owen         May you fell a mighty beast chris_n
17:07 chris        http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/01/14/bywater-solutions-and-biblibre-partner-in-us/
17:08 chris        yay!
17:09 nengard      :)
17:09 nengard      my favorite part?  --- "full, open and honest participation."
17:11 chris        it's my favourite part too ;)
17:11 * owen       is happy for some good news
17:17 chris        yup
17:20 chris        what time is the meeting?
17:20 chris        just under 2 hours?
17:21 nengard      2pm EST :) ... um .... 19:00 UTC
17:21 nengard      yes
17:21 nengard      under 2 hours
17:21 chris        dangit
17:21 chris        i think ill have to miss a chunk of it
17:21 chris        normally i go into work a bit later, but have a rl meeting .. so cant do that
17:24 Ropuch       I have a meeting at 18:00 UTC, hope it won't last long
17:24 chris        owen are you gonna be at the meeting?
17:26 zico         hi
17:27 zico         i am implementing "new and upcoming" feature in my koha 3.0.5 system
17:27 zico         you know.. "new & upcoming" feature means... it will show some book`s front page in my OPAC
17:27 zico         is there anyone who can help me a little
17:27 zico         i created amazon aws private key..... created database
17:28 zico         but.. facing some little bit problem
17:28 zico         is there anyone ..who can help me?
17:28 chris        are you following owens blog?
17:29 zico         which blog?
17:30 chris        http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=74
17:36 chris_n      heya chris
17:40 Nate         hiya everyone
17:40 Nate         thanks for the post chris
17:40 Nate         exciting times we are in!
17:40 chris_n      congrats to Biblibre && Bywater
17:41 Nate         thanks chris_n!
17:42 paul_p       thanks chris_n
17:44 zico         chris: i followed this one: http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/node/624
17:44 zico         but.. your given one... i can see that.. i need to populate my database
17:45 zico         but... how can i populate my database? i mean, with which data?
17:50 owen         zico: My blog post leaves out that information because it would get too technical and too far from being about Koha
17:51 owen         I built a custom PHP interface for adding titles to that database. You could even use a GUI like phpMyAdmin if you wanted
17:59 chris_n      am I missing something or does the web-installer totally redirect script errors to the browser so they are not logged in the error log?
18:00 gmcharlt     chris_n: yes, upgrade errors do get redirected to the browser
18:01 chris_n      methinks they should also go to the log for later reference
18:08 Ropuch       Yup
18:09 nengard      k - time for me to go get ready to teach my class - i'll talk to you all later - owen has my notes about documentation manager -- and I put my newsletter notes on the agenda
18:09 nengard      talk to you all later
18:14 zico         hello
18:15 zico         chris: i followed http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/node/624 doc before
18:15 zico         now.. from your given doc.. i can see that.. i need to "populate my database" with biblionumber
18:16 zico         now.. my question is... how can i populate my *this* database??
18:16 zico         can you help me a little?
18:17 chris        you missed owens answer before, it was blog
18:17 chris        06:49 < owen> zico: My blog post leaves out that information because it would get too technical and too far from being  about Koha
18:17 chris        06:50 < owen> I built a custom PHP interface for adding titles to that database. You could even use a GUI like phpMyAdmin  if you wanted
18:18 * chris      has to go now, bbl
18:19 zico         i used phpmyadmin
18:19 zico         but, i just want to know that, how can i populate my *new* database with biblio number?
18:20 zico         do i need to import the biblio number individually from koha & need to paste it in *this* database?
18:36 cait         hi #koha
18:46 owen-away    zico: Yes, the new titles database is separate from Koha. It duplicates information in Koha.
18:50 owen         zico and I don't seem to be having much luck today
18:50 joetho       hi owen
18:50 owen         Hi joetho
18:50 joetho       reely beeg news, eh
18:51 joetho       potential ecstaticness here
18:51 joetho       meeting here in 10 min, correct?
18:51 joetho       i want a Free The Owen Guy tshirt
18:55 nahuel__     joetho, yep
18:55 cait         news?
18:57 gmcharlt     it's official - http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_release.aspx?pressId=81
18:57 nahuel__     wow
18:57 cait         wow
18:58 nahuel__     seems to be great for koha
19:00 cait         what will happen to lek?
19:00 owen         I think there's no way of knowing yet
19:00 owen         "committed to resolving community differences" is encouraging
19:01 nahuel__     :)
19:01 BobB         Good morning all, what have we missed?
19:01 zico         owen: that means, do i need to take my "biblionumber" from koha database and import it into my *this upcoming database*?
19:01 owen         zico: yes
19:01 cait         oh, i overread tat
19:02 cait         that
19:02 nahuel__     BobB, nothing, just http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_release.aspx?pressId=81
19:02 Genji        Whos Ptfs? anyone in koha-devel that works there?
19:02 owen         jdavidb and jwagner
19:02 Genji        Sweet!
19:03 gmcharlt     greetings all
19:03 gmcharlt     it's 19;00 UTC
19:03 * chris_n    looks around for the ptfs folks
19:03 gmcharlt     let's get this meeting started
19:03 nahuel__     19:01 :p
19:03 BobB         OMG!
19:03 gmcharlt     let's start with a roll call
19:04 * gmcharlt   = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM
19:04 owen         Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library
19:04 davi         Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop (slef is in another meeting)
19:04 Nate         Nate Curulla EVP ByWater Solutions
19:04 * chris_n    = Chris Nighswonger ,FBC
19:04 schuster     David Schuster - Plano ISD
19:04 wizzyrea     Liz Rea - NEKLS
19:04 * nahuel__   = Nahuel ANGELINETTI, BibLibre
19:04 tajoli       Zeno Tajoli, CILEA (Italy)
19:04 * Ropuch     Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE
19:04 IrmaCalyx    Irma Birchall - CALYX information essentials
19:04 cait         Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
19:04 BobB         Bob, Calyx
19:04 thd          Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City.
19:05 magnus       Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
19:06 Genji        Waylon Roberton, Palmerston North, New Zealand. Ind. Contractee, with one client so far.
19:06 zico         owen: "biblionumber" is a table in "koha" database
19:07 nahuel__     zico, a column, not a table
19:07 zico         is it possible to import a table in my new "bibliodb" database?
19:07 owen         zico: You'll have to hold your questions until after our meeting
19:08 zico         oh! is there a meeting going on?? i am sorry then
19:08 gmcharlt     agenda can be found here - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10jan13
19:08 zico         please let me know.. when you are free.. i am waiting
19:09 gmcharlt     first item - 3.2 - I will be doing a massive pull/push from the BibLibre 3.2 branch after ALA, i.e., after the 18th, and that will become the basis of 3.2 alpha
19:09 gmcharlt     I'll be branching 3.2, and opening trunk so that the 3.4 RM can start accepting patches for HEAD
19:10 gmcharlt     with the news that was just announced, I am hopeful that we'll be able to deal some issues like getting release tarballs put up with less muss-and-fuss than we had in the past
19:10 paul_p       hello world, sorry for being a little bit late
19:10 owen         gmcharlt: Does that mean that in the meantime we should be doing testing/patching against BibLibre's "community" branch?
19:11 gmcharlt     owen: that would be a good idea, yes, although there will undoubted be some bug fixes to deal with after the merge takes place
19:12 gmcharlt     move on, next item is 3.0 - as hdl isn't here, any comments on that, paul_p ?
19:12 nahuel__     gmcharlt, when the alpha will be released ?
19:13 gmcharlt     nahuel_____________ ;) - 25 January
19:13 chris        back
19:13 nahuel__     okay great
19:13 nahuel__     else for koha 3.0 we are still fixing stuff
19:13 paul_p       about 3.0 : hdl commited some patches on 3.0.x recently. I don't know if he plans to release a 3.0.6 (and he won't be here today, in a train)
19:14 tajoli       Is not too early to open 3.4 immediately after 3.2 alpha ?
19:14 gmcharlt     tajoli: yes, 3.4 can be opened immediately once 3.2 alpha is out
19:15 gmcharlt     moving onward (since I want to get us to the 3.4 discussion quickly), I don't think there are any particular action items from the previous meeting
19:15 nahuel__     We are sending all patches to patches mailing list
19:15 gmcharlt     so let's move on to #4, wiki relicensing
19:15 paul_p       we already have x00 patches to submit into 3.4 branch
19:15 tajoli       But the code of 3.2 could change a lot from alpha to first stable.
19:16 paul_p       all the devs we did for University of Lyon3, that you can see on git.biblibre.com, branch lyon3
19:16 tajoli       Or git is so magic ?
19:16 thd          from the previous meeting I could say something about wiki content relicensing
19:16 paul_p       tajoli: in fact, the 'alpha' will already be a close-to-final release
19:16 nahuel__     for the 3.0.6 I think hdl will release "soon" a release, to have multiple little updates, instead of some big bugfix releases
19:16 gmcharlt     tajoli: code changes in 3.2 once alpha is relesed will be bugfixes only
19:16 paul_p       gmcharlt: why don't you wan't to call it beta ? you think it's really too far from stable ?
19:17 gmcharlt     nothing world-changing will be accepted into 3.2 after alpha; huge changes would go into HEAD for 3.4
19:17 paul_p       for me a alpha is an unworking version, with some features missing or badly broken
19:17 paul_p       and a beta is a full features, but still buggued
19:17 gmcharlt     paul_p: I'm calling it alpha just as a matter of sequencing; if there are no major blockers, we can have either a very quick beta or jump from alpha to general release
19:18 paul_p       alpha to general, I can't think it will be the case ;-)
19:18 tajoli       +a on pauo_p alpha defintion
19:18 owen         I'm comfortable with the alpha label just because it has been so long since patches were pushed to HEAD.
19:18 paul_p       but at least in France, alpha means really not working at all
19:18 chris        alpha seems fine to me
19:18 nahuel__     it means "not tested" at all, i mean
19:18 davi         same here
19:18 tajoli       also in italy
19:18 chris        there are enough open blockers
19:18 chris        to call it alpha
19:18 gmcharlt     there are enough open blockers, indeed
19:18 * chris_n    agrees
19:18 tajoli       alpha is unstable
19:19 paul_p       owen: maybe you're right. But for Aix-Marseille, they are working with a 3.2, and don't report a lot of things (not they are not live, it's just for testing)
19:19 chris        and so it is
19:19 chris_n      nothing is stable until stable
19:19 chris        beta is slightly less unstable
19:19 chris        :)
19:19 thd          paul_p: if there is no reason to keep it long in alpha then you should be pleased that the label would be quickly changed to beta
19:19 chris        a beta may follow soon after .. but since this is the first release ever
19:19 gmcharlt     I'm not particularly fond of this sort of semantic debate - I'll start naming them after colors or something if it this is a real issue ;)
19:19 chris        it really could only be alpha
19:19 chris        :)
19:20 thd          :)
19:20 * chris_n    votes for blue
19:20 gmcharlt     more seriously, it's the first, we'll call it alpha, if it's a stable alpha, well, more power to us
19:20 tajoli       OK
19:20 paul_p       gmcharlt: I agree, but for PR it's important: calling it "alpha" means for libraries : "wow, bad news, we're far from a release"
19:20 wizzyrea     yea, and people don't get too excited about alpha releases
19:21 chris_n      all the more reason to work out the bugs quickly
19:21 wizzyrea     yes, shed that nasty alpha title ;)
19:21 davi         I would jump to beta if possible
19:21 wizzyrea     (by fixing bugs)
19:21 chris        marketing shmarketing
19:21 chris        its the first release, hence alpha
19:21 Genji        freeze the code, do bug bingo.
19:22 thd          paul_p: yet they will be all the more impressed if it would move quickly to beta.
19:22 gmcharlt     besides, who says we need to actually release a stable?  Google's stuff does well in perpetual beta ;)
19:22 * gmcharlt   is joking, just to be perfectly clear
19:22 davi         Sometimes the last beta is exactly the release, so start with alpha can be ok
19:23 paul_p       ok, chris & gmcharlt, you get my voice IF you add to the PR : "we expect that this alpha will be quickly followed by an alpha release once feedbacks have confirmed it's possible"
19:23 paul_p       or something like that, your english is better than mine ;-)
19:23 chris        ill do it in french :-)
19:23 gmcharlt     paul_p: fair enough
19:23 gmcharlt     thd: you had comments on the wiki reliensing?
19:23 * thd        is impressed with any release and apologises for the patches he has neglected to send
19:23 thd          yes about the wiki content relicensing
19:24 joetho       Joe Tholen  / SEKLS / Kansas
19:24 thd          The lawyer from SFLC said that we should really contact everyone for ascent
19:25 thd          I am endeavouring to do that but some people will be unfindable
19:26 gmcharlt     thd: given http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_release.aspx?pressId=81, one of the entities involved will be changing
19:26 schuster     thd - if you need assistance let me know I'm a pretty good bloodhound. sniff sniff...
19:26 gmcharlt     for people who are truly unfindable, I move that we count them as approving the change, although we'd respect their desire if they show up and vote to the contrary
19:27 thd          Yes, that certainly may change the significant issue of the copyrights controlled by LibLime
19:27 gmcharlt     thd: it's guaranteed to change the ownership of such copyrights
19:27 owen         ...and transform it into an issue of copyrights controlled by PTFS
19:28 thd          The motivation of real concern had been about LibLime copyrights.
19:28 ccurry       Hello all.  Zebra question for you.
19:28 chris        ccurry: there is a meeting going on currently
19:28 thd          I think that we could pretend that others have abstained unless we here from them.
19:28 ccurry       chris: ok; I'll send it to the list.  Thanks anyway.
19:29 gmcharlt     owen: indeed, but for the moment, I am somewhat optimistic that we have a chance to get some action now
19:29 thd          We should, however, resolve the LibLime copyrights or I will make the effort to mark them.
19:29 owen         Agreed.
19:29 paul_p       well, I think what we have to do now is ... to do nothing. Or at least ask PTFS about what thy plan to do with koha.org & all this stuff
19:29 paul_p       s/at least/just/
19:29 gmcharlt     yes
19:29 thd          paul_p++
19:29 chris        i think the latter is a valid question
19:30 davi         paul_p, ask PTFS as soon as possible, please
19:30 chris_n      sounds like a job for Joann
19:30 gmcharlt     I just spoke with somebody at PTFS - they obviously will have a lot to do absorbing LL and LL's customers, but I would encourage everybody to communicate with PTFS
19:30 paul_p       me ? no, jo
19:30 richard      hi
19:30 paul_p       chris_n++
19:30 paul_p       hi richard. meetin going on
19:30 chris_n      after all, that's what we asked HLT to do
19:30 paul_p       yep, absolutly !
19:31 chris        definitely
19:31 davi         paul_p,   If we have to fork we should know the sooner the better
19:31 slef         hi
19:31 davi         hi
19:31 * chris_n    thinks 'fork' is a bad word atm
19:31 thd          The press release does not make it clear whether they have completed all the technical details of acquiring LibLime yet today.
19:31 paul_p       davi: on this matter, there's nothing new with the PR. We already have a koha.org independant development !
19:31 gmcharlt     my view is that the overall plan concerning HLT remains unchanged; HLT just has a different group of people to talk to
19:32 chris        exactly
19:32 chris_n      right
19:32 paul_p       gmcharlt++
19:32 schuster     gmcharlt ++
19:32 tajoli       right
19:32 chris        in exercise in semantics
19:32 chris_n      and new potential
19:32 davi         paul_p, ack
19:32 chris        http://www.liblime.com/news/ptfs-to-acquire-liblime
19:32 chris        vs
19:32 gmcharlt     and as I said, for now I'm reasonably optimistic that we have a chance of getting the community's wishes respected
19:32 chris        http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_release.aspx?pressId=81
19:32 slef         oh wow yikes yuk
19:32 paul_p       the positive point is that we can't have a more silent ear facing us ;-)
19:32 thd          The press release refers to a transition before the end of the month.
19:32 chris        i know which entity that makes me feel better about
19:33 brendan_m    bye
19:33 chris        paul_p++ # it can only get better
19:33 paul_p       a silent ear... nice mistake : an ear is always silent :D but you all understand what I mean !
19:34 paul_p       closed ear / silent mouth
19:34 chris_n      language is a wonderful thing ;-)
19:34 nahuel__     really usefull
19:34 thd          There is one more thing about wiki content relicensing
19:34 paul_p       hi irma
19:34 irma         Salut!
19:35 gmcharlt     thd: please go ahead
19:36 thd          The lawyer from SFLC will send a message which I will forward to the mailing list about how the epilogue to GPL describing how to invoke this license has no magic words.
19:36 cait         ?
19:37 thd          We need not follow the wording exactly to refer to "the program" when we mean the wiki content.
19:37 thd          cait: are you still lost?
19:37 cait         better now, thx thd
19:37 gmcharlt     thd: we'll await the SFLC foward, then
19:37 gmcharlt     if there's nothing more, I'd like to move onto the core of this meeting
19:38 gmcharlt     5. #
19:38 gmcharlt     Roles for 3.2.x and 3.4
19:38 thd          I am referring to wording which states that license X applies to your program
19:39 nahuel__     gmcharlt, what about ?
19:39 nahuel__     we are voting ?
19:40 gmcharlt     nahuel__: this meeting may or may not be the time to do it, but I want to get the discussion started at any rate
19:40 gmcharlt     http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:roles3.4
19:41 gmcharlt     summarizes the current proposals for 3.4 project roles
19:41 slef         I have no web right now.
19:41 nahuel__     In my opinion, chris is the good person to be release manager
19:41 gmcharlt     as some people have put their name in but have not completed their proposals, what I suggest we do is
19:42 gmcharlt     vote at the next general meeting
19:42 gmcharlt     with one exception - I don't think there's anybody else who's volunteering to be release manager for 3.4
19:42 gmcharlt     so if there is no objection, I would like to suggest that we vote on chris's proposal now
19:43 chris_n      seconded
19:43 paul_p       yes, and I don't think anyone will do
19:43 nahuel__     good idea
19:43 cait         gmcharlt++
19:43 * paul_p     vote for chris
19:43 chris_n      +1 # for chris
19:43 gmcharlt     hearing no objection thus far ...
19:43 wizzyrea     +1 for chris
19:43 slef         +1
19:43 gmcharlt     +1 for chris
19:43 nahuel__     +1
19:43 davi         +1 # for chris
19:43 cait         +1
19:43 thd          ++
19:43 chris        dag nabbit
19:43 nahuel__     (for chris)
19:43 magnus       +1 for chris
19:43 * owen       has already chained chris's ankle to the desk
19:43 Nate         +1
19:43 chris_n      lol chris
19:43 cait         :)
19:44 Colin        +1
19:44 Sharon       Chris will do great
19:44 richard      indeed
19:44 schuster     + chris
19:44 paul_p       anyone against chris ?
19:44 tajoli       +1 on chris and on his proposal
19:45 sekjal-away  +1 for chris
19:45 paul_p       "if someone against chris, up you hand, or stay silent forever"
19:45 gmcharlt     hearing no -1, I congratulate the next release manager of Koha, Chris Cormack
19:45 chris        thank you
19:45 * owen       cheers
19:45 paul_p       hourra pour chris !
19:45 chris_n      speech, speech
19:45 BobB         +1
19:46 cait         yay :)
19:46 paul_p       ( but, frankly, it's not a surprise :D )
19:46 chris        id like to thank the academy
19:46 paul_p       and you mother and your father ?
19:46 paul_p       and your wife ?
19:46 chris        hehe
19:46 schuster     Hope you got approval from your WIFE!
19:46 cait         and pets? ;)
19:46 magnus       3 cheers
19:46 gmcharlt     and to confirm - I move that we hold elections on the other project positions during the next meeting, to give time for people to complete proposals
19:46 gmcharlt     and also to encourage more QA managers/bug wranglers/people before we all should bow to join the pool ;)
19:46 chris        schuster: you know thats the rule of a succesful marriage :-)
19:47 schuster     12 years....
19:47 chris        :)
19:48 paul_p       gmcharlt: (& all) you may have seen that BibLibre did not propose any role. but the main idea behind that was just to let other take a place & an involvement. we will be very happy to add a QA manager or endorse whatever is empty
19:48 paul_p       + we are on the way to hire a new developer that will probably work a lot with the community
19:48 gmcharlt     paul_p: my view is that everybody who wants to be a bug wrangler (and I will be adding myself to the list) should be one
19:48 chris        im very happy someone has volunteered to do database documentation
19:49 paul_p       yep. tajoli++
19:49 chris        you can never have too many bug wranglers
19:49 tajoli       thank
19:49 paul_p       chris: right, but you don't need an official role for that ;-)
19:49 wizzyrea     fwiw I volunteer to help with bug wrangling
19:49 slef         I've been snowed in so haven't looked yet. not sure about other coop workers
19:49 gmcharlt     paul_p: chris: I'm also seriously considering proposal that we establish  module owners where possible
19:50 chris_n      good idea
19:50 davi         no yet neither
19:50 thd          gmcharlt: In what sense of ownership?
19:50 chris        yeah, that is a great idea
19:50 chris        wrangling the bugs for those modules?
19:50 paul_p       wizzyrea: wrangling bugs or finding bugs :D ?
19:51 schuster     paul_p - Nicole is on the list!  She is an employee of yours!
19:51 wizzyrea     I'm accomplished at both >.>
19:51 gmcharlt     thd: my idea is a that module owner would be responsible for wrangling bugs for that module, and  helping to coordinate feature work for that module
19:51 Sharon       being very familiar with the ins and outs of a particular module is a good idea, I think
19:51 paul_p       schuster: right, I was thinking of a dev role ;-)
19:51 schuster     gmcharlt++
19:51 wizzyrea     I like the idea of having a go-to person/people for a module
19:51 paul_p       gmcharlt++ too
19:52 schuster     I know nothing about acq, but am pretty versed in circ and fairly in cat!
19:52 thd          I am willing to put my name forward at a lower level of granularity
19:52 paul_p       (+ default assignee of bugs.koha.org is meaningless atm)
19:52 chris        yes
19:52 gmcharlt     getting back to the proposal - any objection to holding the remaining project votes next meeting?
19:52 chris        none from me
19:52 thd          ++
19:53 chris_n      +1
19:53 paul_p       one question/suggestion about translation manager
19:53 chris        whoever is chosen i will work closely to help handover
19:53 chris        there will be a lot of work for the translation manager for 3.4
19:53 paul_p       we have 2 candidates. brendan speaks english, and I think it would better to have someone not speaking english. Frédéric is french, but, he don't participate to irc meetings
19:54 paul_p       frederic1: par là ?
19:54 chris        with the templates changing, tmpl_process.pl will need work
19:54 paul_p       yep, heavy one.
19:54 chris        much simplification thankfully, but still work
19:54 thd          paul_p: Does he always have too much work to participate in IRC meetings?
19:55 paul_p       thd: don't know
19:55 * thd        knows that he should ask that directly
19:55 paul_p       (it's 9PM in france)
19:55 * thd        was up all night again
19:55 nahuel__     chris, but.... Template Toolkit manage translations, isn't it ? We won't need anymore baaaad tmpl_process...
19:55 paul_p       maybe someone could ask him the question of his involvement?
19:55 schuster     Maybe if they provide a report or an update to the RM that would suffice?
19:56 paul_p       (I don't think it's a good idea for me to ask him the question, because he's a competitor, I don't want business questions to interfere with community question)
19:56 thd          I can inform those who have not communicated with him that his English is fantastic
19:56 chris        nahuel__: thats a maybe, it can do on the fly translation that might be to slow, we can talk about that in another meeting :)
19:56 gmcharlt     I'd prefer that it be discussed a bit more openly on the mailing lists, at least
19:57 chris        i will send a mail on the koha-devel list
19:57 nahuel__     chris, of course !
19:57 chris        about translation manager
19:57 chris        frederic and I have discussed it though, and he does have a good idea how much work is involved
19:57 chris        99% of it is answering emaisl
19:58 paul_p       yes, I agree. note i've nothing against him in this role, just want to have a community as reactive as possible.
19:58 chris        *nod*
19:59 gmcharlt     ok, I think we're ready for the next agenda item
19:59 gmcharlt     the Koha newsletter
19:59 paul_p       this one will be short ;-)
19:59 gmcharlt     nengard isn't here, but I think her update pretty much says it all - From Nicole: The Koha Newsletter will be found at http://koha.web2learning.net until control of the domain is turned over. It will be published on the 15th of each month starting with January (2 days from now). Send all future story ideas to Nicole at nengard@gmail.com with the words 'koha newsletter' in the subject line somewhere. I (Nicole) will not be at the meeting to
19:59 gmcharlt     day since I will be teaching a workshop at that time.
19:59 thd          I can say further that he has put attention to important issues about scripts running in not left to right and other details which we had been missing
20:00 * paul_p     very happy to have the newsletter revived !
20:00 chris        yay!!
20:00 chris        nengard++
20:00 paul_p       (for all that don't know : we used to have such a letter a long time ago)
20:00 chris_n      nengard++
20:01 magnus       nengard++
20:01 cait         nengard++
20:01 thd          paul_p: when was that the case in the past?
20:01 paul_p       thd, yep
20:01 paul_p       it was written by pate eyler
20:01 paul_p       (kaitiaki)
20:01 davi         why adds in the newsletter?
20:01 chris        and rachel for a short while after
20:02 slefweb      davi: adds or ads? This is a very slow library PC I'm using now :(
20:02 davi         ads
20:02 davi         Only Koha ads I see
20:02 paul_p       davi: ads ???
20:03 thd          paul_p: advertisements
20:03 paul_p       yep, but I don't see any ads !
20:03 paul_p       (I know what is an ad, my english is not that bad, isn't it ?)
20:03 nahuel__     paul_p, there is a flash animation
20:03 davi         sorry, Koha related
20:03 Ropuch       davi: you're talking about koha libraries in header?
20:03 paul_p       yep, but it's not an ad
20:03 nahuel__     5 images from koha opacs
20:03 paul_p       it's the header of some koha opacs
20:04 davi         ok
20:04 slefweb      I can see a GMail ad, but that is all.
20:04 nahuel__     slefweb, you're right :p
20:04 nahuel__     too bad
20:04 gmcharlt     the header  doesn't strike me as being objectionable advertising, though possibly weighted a bit too much towards US libraries
20:05 davi         :)
20:05 nahuel__     then, when will be the next meeting ?
20:05 chris        cept for hlt
20:05 magnus       i think nengard said somewhere that this was just a temporary location until the community has control of koha.org?
20:05 chris        she sure did
20:05 chris        teacup, storm :)
20:05 magnus       ;-)
20:06 chris_n      heh
20:06 gmcharlt     I'd like to call the next meeting at 11:00 UTC+0 on February 2
20:06 slefweb      speaking of ads, the ones on mibbit are not really safe for use in a public library :-(
20:06 nahuel__     gmcharlt, great
20:06 chris        gmcharlt: im ok with that
20:06 paul_p       11:00 UTC, great, that's lunch time for Europe ;-)
20:07 slefweb      looks OK to me
20:07 davi         IMHO such ads are not actually needed in the newsletter page
20:07 paul_p       easier than baby-to-bed time ;-)
20:07 thd          paul_p paul_p: Thank you for helping the English people who do not know frederic1 to better appreciate his candidacy.
20:07 paul_p       davi: I agree
20:07 cait         http://opensource.califa.org/node/92
20:07 chris_n      gmcharlt: +1
20:07 slefweb      cait: what about it?
20:07 gmcharlt     ok, it's set then
20:08 gmcharlt     any final items to add to the agenda?
20:08 davi         remove the ads?
20:09 cait         nothing special, just different from the other press releases
20:09 schuster     I love one hour meetings that stay on task.
20:09 * chris_n    likes the opac headers as it shows what other's do with Koha
20:09 chris_n      others even
20:09 nahuel__     gmcharlt, beta plans?
20:09 slefweb      right, I get to walk the 3 miles home now... ttyl
20:09 gmcharlt     davi: if they bother you that much, take it up with nengard - however, since they assuredly aren't commercial advertising, I would suggest that we simply encourage the newsletter
20:10 gmcharlt     nahuel__: beta will be released once blockers on 3.2-alpha are down to a reasonably small number
20:10 nahuel__     ok
20:10 paul_p       cait: it's different, as it's "I", not "the company"
20:10 nahuel__     null number is better
20:10 davi         no problem, no bother too much
20:11 paul_p       is it my english or "X and Y merging" is different than "X acquires Y" ?
20:11 chris        yes quite different
20:11 chris        its definitely not a merger
20:11 gmcharlt     paul_p: merger imlies that the two parties are equals, more or less
20:12 nahuel__     like a fusion
20:12 Genji        the koha.org website gets taken over by the company, and goes out of Joshua's control?
20:12 paul_p       yep, that's what I thought I knew ;-)
20:12 paul_p       nahuel__: fusion is the french term ;-)
20:12 paul_p       Genji: yep
20:12 nahuel__     it don't exist in english too ?
20:13 paul_p       the next question is : will it fall into community hands !
20:13 chris        i say we give them some space for a couple of days, then ask
20:13 gmcharlt     nahuel__: fusion is used in English too, but not to describe business mergers
20:13 paul_p       nahuel__: yes, it exist, but I think it's just for atomic fusion. english natives, pls confirm ;-)
20:13 magnus       chris++
20:13 nahuel__     k
20:13 cait         isnt there a term like fusion food too?
20:14 gmcharlt     cait: yes
20:14 paul_p       (note that this PR is a kind of bomb news for us, but that's another matter ;-) )
20:14 gmcharlt     paul_p: yeah, I'm sorry you and brendan didn't get to enjoy at least a day of having your news all to yourselves
20:14 chris        its excellent news though
20:14 tajoli       here is 'PTFS to Acquire LibLime'
20:14 tajoli       http://koha.org/news/ptfs-to-acquire-liblime
20:15 chris        and on the ptfs site
20:15 wizzyrea     I was at least as excited about the surprise news from biblibre as I was about ptfs/ll
20:15 chris        i think LBA just got it wrong with her headline
20:15 irma         LBA?
20:15 someoneagain someone should invent a jetpack for cats
20:15 chris_n      paul_p: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=fusion
20:16 paul_p       Lori Bowen Ayre
20:16 irma         thanks Paul
20:16 sekjal       this is one of those historically significant days for Koha, I think
20:16 sekjal       coming back from a meeting (sorry I was late to this one) to find all this out was a shock to the system
20:16 someoneagain what is ptfs?
20:16 owen         Interesting to read that on Lori Ayre's site. The letter didn't go out to *all* LibLime customers--we didn't get one.
20:17 chris        suprise suprise
20:17 wizzyrea     sigh :(
20:17 chris_n      owen: does that surprise you?
20:17 owen         No, not really :)
20:17 thd          paul_p: Is the French term for acquisiton also l'acquisition?
20:17 paul_p       thd: yes it is
20:18 schuster     It was sent through the LibLime listserv I suspect as they posted the press release.
20:18 chris        oh they kicked you off there already eh ... here's to less of that nonsense from now on
20:18 chris_n      gmcharlt: have we closed the meeting?
20:18 gmcharlt     chris_n: yes
20:18 chris        is someone doing minutes
20:19 chris        id like to freak my boss out by showing him i got elected
20:19 chris        :)
20:19 Ropuch       hehe
20:19 cait         :)
20:19 cait         I think this was to be expected
20:19 gmcharlt     dear boss - remember that web developer type person you hired way back when?  welcome to Catalyst's new line of business! ;)
20:19 chris        heh
20:20 * russ       thinks he missed something...
20:20 paul_p       russ: you missed MANY things ;-)
20:20 chris        http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-01-13#i_372124
20:21 irma         chris: I will watch out for the celebration fireworks coming from the East!
20:21 russ         oh i lurk - you would be surprised :-)
20:21 chris        http://bywatersolutions.com/?p=320
20:21 chris        bywater++
20:23 wizzyrea     OH snap
20:23 chris        http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6714841.html
20:23 chris        nice writeup by marshall breeding
20:24 owen         "...gaining control of an arsenal of assets surrounding Koha"
20:24 owen         *sigh*
20:24 thd          gmcharlt: what is the news that brendan and paul_p did not have all to themselves?
20:25 gmcharlt     owen: yep - whether they decide to play ball re community assets will be one of the real tests of them
20:25 paul_p       thd: ???
20:25 thd          paul_p: exactly why I asked
20:25 owen         I just hope we don't look forward to seeing PTFS claim on their web site to have contributed 99% of Koha's code.
20:25 gmcharlt     thd: http://www.biblibre.com/blog/entry/bywater-solutions-and-biblibre-announce-partnership
20:26 davi         gnb. mvnb      jgfng, vncxm,v    cfmvn xbncvvvvvvvvxbnvfmg,bgnfb,mg sdjfhcmdfnvchbdfncv
20:26 davi         vc,,,,,,,,,,vccccvvcccccv
20:26 owen         davi: Cat on keyboard?
20:26 * gmcharlt   greets davi's cat, dog, or small child
20:27 davi         cxxxvcccccccbv,m bnvmm xnxcakjc,hhhhnsdx cnxvb c      dsxcvb djcxbbgfhdg ffffffffjgh
20:27 thd          gmcharlt: thanks, I had thought that was old news
20:27 gmcharlt     thd: well, that post is dated today, after all ;)
20:27 davi         owen,  baby, sorry
20:27 wizzyrea     Hi baby!
20:27 Genji        Ahh, finalyl we get some details on how koha works. It runs on an Amazon cloud.
20:27 Genji        LEK = amazon application.
20:27 * wizzyrea   tickles the baby, just to hear some baby laughs
20:27 owen         davi's_baby++
20:27 davi         wizzyrea,  too young yet to read
20:28 owen         Genji: That's just where it's hosted.
20:28 Ropuch       davi: take a screenshot for the future ;>
20:28 wizzyrea     davi: but please convey my hellos to baby :)
20:28 davi         good idea
20:28 owen         Interesting: "Following the transaction, Metavore, Inc. will focus on business interests outside the library automation industry"
20:29 chris        yeah, i think that whas always the plan
20:29 davi         done
20:30 sekjal       "...aims to include services such as electronic resource management and document delivery..."
20:30 sekjal       neat!  those features would go a long way toward making Koha more viable for larger institutions and academic consortia
20:31 chris        yeah it sounds like a good move, and i have faith ptfs will act in an ethical and open manner
20:31 Genji        owen: I was under the impression it was hosted by liblime, internally, or in one specific datacenter. But since its on Amazon... my fears of the libs having no library because of datacenter emergency, have been eliminated.
20:31 chris_n      gmcharlt: still about?
20:31 * sekjal     chooses to trust PTFS as good members of the community, as they've been in my experience
20:31 gmcharlt     chris_n: yes
20:32 chris_n      I notice that the db ver numbers jump from x.060 to x.100 with the acquisitions work
20:32 chris        sekjal: definitely to date PTFS have been an asset
20:32 chris_n      in updatedatabase.pl
20:32 gmcharlt     chris_n: yeah, there were 40-odd related updates
20:32 wizzyrea     gengi: those of us in the cloud on amazon have had AMAZING uptime
20:32 wizzyrea     genji, sorry
20:32 wizzyrea     >.<
20:33 wizzyrea     I do that every time. Apologies.
20:33 chris_n      gmcharlt: hmm I have a commit in my repo: e1091f943 which does not appear in the main repo?
20:34 * paul_p     think the conference is done, isn't it ?
20:34 paul_p       so, time to head to wife & bed
20:34 chris_n      gmcharlt: yet my repo says it is up to date on rebase
20:34 chris_n      paul_p: g
20:34 chris_n      'night
20:34 wizzyrea     good night paul
20:35 chris_n      and that commit does not appear in the main repo
20:35 * chris_n    scratches his head
20:36 gmcharlt     chris_n: checking - I'm pretty sure it's in the main repo, but I'll grab a fresh clone and confirm
20:36 chris        paul_p: good night and congrats again
20:36 chris        atz my man :)
20:36 chris_n      gmcharlt: it does not appear when searching at git.koha.org afaict
20:36 atz          hola
20:36 chris_n      heya atz!
20:36 owen         Hi atz!
20:37 paul_p       hi atz !
20:37 paul_p       atz: lot of breaking news today ;-)
20:37 atz          indeed there is
20:37 wizzyrea     omg agz
20:37 wizzyrea     atz
20:37 wizzyrea     hi
20:37 atz          greets wizzyrea
20:37 paul_p       (including the last one : Chris cormack being 3.4RM officially)
20:37 atz          good choice
20:37 cait         hi
20:37 BobB         Cheers all, must get ready for the day!
20:38 wizzyrea     to what do we owe the pleasure of your company atz
20:38 russ         hiya atz
20:38 atz          just wanted to come by and see if y'all were freaking out or not  :)
20:38 russ         lol
20:38 wizzyrea     we are freaking in a happy way
20:39 irma         Me too. Thanks for the meeting! Bye.
20:40 atz          cool
20:40 owen         Hi nengard
20:40 nengard      sorry i missed the meeting all - did I end up getting any more responsibilities?
20:40 nengard      hehe
20:40 irma         Hi Nicole!
20:40 chris_n      hey nengard
20:40 owen         nengard: You're RM for 3.4.
20:40 chris_n      hehe
20:40 nengard      nuh uh that's chris
20:41 owen         :)
20:41 nengard      i read that on twitter while teaching my twitter workshop :) hehe
20:41 nengard      as I read all of the other news
20:41 gmcharlt     nengard: we elected chris as RM,; formal votes for other possibles will be done 2 February
20:41 gmcharlt     *other positions
20:41 sekjal       hey nengard
20:43 gmcharlt     chris_n: that odd, e1091f943 is indeed in master
20:43 * chris_n    wonders why it does not show up in the gitweb interface?
20:44 atz          cached reponse maybe?
20:44 * chris_n    checks
20:44 gmcharlt     chris_n: gitweb commit search is a little funky, but it's there - ?
20:44 gmcharlt     http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=e1091f943
20:45 gmcharlt     that URL pattern will let you look up any commit by hash, btw
20:45 chris_n      weird
20:46 chris_n      so why does http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=f0997994754b765e15120de27c9fe25aeaf9a2cf;hb=b03b55bf497b4ee1a4a47f28fad3d190922fb897
20:46 chris_n      show the version skipping from 060 to 100?
20:46 * chris_n    must me missing something here :-P
20:47 chris_n      at any rate, there is a fetchrow without execute in e1091f943
20:48 gmcharlt     chris_n: yes, you're missing that there was a follow-up patch that resequenced the DBrev numbers
20:48 gmcharlt     viz, http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=0c7e7053e2ec3ca33061b997ebbbe50f5d3f5f3a
20:48 chris_n      git is weird.... out of sync but does not know it
20:49 chris_n      so what's the best way to fix this?
20:49 chris_n      start a new repo and cherry pick my work off the old one?
20:50 gmcharlt     chris_n: bit drastic, but it may well be simplest to do that
20:50 chris        new branch would probably be fine
20:50 chris        not a whole new repo
20:51 owen         paul_p still around?
20:51 paul_p       owen: yes
20:52 owen         I have a question about limits on the number of holds a patron can have
20:52 paul_p       throw it, even if nahuel__ may have a better answer than me on this matter
20:52 owen         It looks like the "maxreserves" system pref is deprecated, but I don't see what it's replaced with
20:53 owen         The code still attempts to check maxreserves in a couple of places
20:53 chris_n      odd... my repo shows 0c7e7053e2
20:54 paul_p       owen: file a bug and affect if to hdl pls. (I suspect the maxreserve can still be used as a fallback if no rules are defined, but i'm not sure)
20:55 atz          chris: maybe you cloned from github instead of git.koha.org ?
20:56 chris        git remote show
20:58 cait         not sure I can sleep after all those news - but good night everyone! :)
20:58 chris_n      origin	git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha
20:59 chris_n      gotta run, bbl
20:59 atz          maybe a difference in the versions of git used ?   strange problem
21:00 chris        yeah i havent seen this one before
21:02 collum       Just got out of a meeting and read the irc log.  Wow!
21:02 sekjal       collum:  I know, right?
21:07 paul_p       @tell later jdavidb : fun that you're back to LibLime : "PTFS will operate its Koha support business under the name LibLime" (libraryjournal article)
21:07 munin        paul_p: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling.
21:07 paul_p       @tell jdavidb : fun that you're back to LibLime : "PTFS will operate its Koha support business under the name LibLime" (libraryjournal article)
21:10 wizzyrea     hehe paul
21:15 chris        wow, i have no idea what i was going to do today
21:21 someoneagain that means you have free time
21:21 someoneagain so then, invent a jetpack for cats. for me.
21:22 slef         put iton backwards
21:22 owen         Don't worry chris, I have no idea what I *did* today.
21:23 owen         But I'm done doing it!
21:23 slef         self-roasting cats
21:23 chris        heh
21:23 gmcharlt     slef: and what do you have against our feline overlords?
21:23 slef         an allergy
21:24 atz          slef: if it makes you feel any better, my parents had a cat that was allergic to people
21:25 chris        i think my cat is
21:25 chris        or at least, hates people
21:27 schuster     chris - you were going to attend 2 meetings!  Day accomplished!
21:27 chris        oh right you are :)
21:27 slef         also cats keep fouling my lawn
21:28 slef         I have electronic countermeasures now
21:28 schuster     and be elected as 3.4 RM!
21:29 schuster     Now I need a nap after listing all your accomplishments.
21:29 chris        my silent campaign to have schuster elected failed
21:29 chris        next time :)
21:30 * chris      will bbiab
21:50 schuster     Hey I can still be a bug rangler!  but right now I'm feeling a little stretched with some things going on - KUDOS, some other State organization things being overly involved does take away from the daily work.
21:52 gmcharlt     schuster: bug wrangling can expand or contract to the time you have available - every little bit helps
21:52 someoneagain woah, electronic countermeasures vs cats? im interested
21:53 chris_n2     gmcharlt: I think that there was some confusion on my git issue earlier
21:53 chris_n2     I could not find the commit in the main repo via git.koha.org webgit
21:53 someoneagain not that i have any particular disdain for cats. quite the opposite. but i do have an unhealthy passion for various countermeasures. and electronics.
21:53 chris_n2     it does appear in my clone
21:53 chris_n2     for the record
21:56 Nate         ok goodbye for now #koha
21:57 someoneagain goodbye for now nate
21:57 Nate         Quite an eventful day I must say
21:57 someoneagain always is
21:57 Nate         true
21:57 someoneagain but sometimes, doing nothing is the most fulfulling thing you can do
21:57 someoneagain unless possible alternatives include R&D on feline aviation
21:58 chris        back
21:58 wizzyrea     lol feline aviation
21:58 wizzyrea     wb
22:19 someoneagain bbiab
22:34 chris_n2     it appears that PTFS has integrated their CMS with an open source ILS (Koha?): "the integration of ArchivalWare with Open Source ILS software" (http://www.ptfs.com/company/management_team.aspx)
22:34 atz          that was their goal when they started over a year ago
22:36 chris        id love to see it in action
22:37 * chris_n2   wonders if their website is run on their CMS
22:37 chris_n2     its a nice looking site
22:39 Ropuch       Isn't ArchivalWare propertialy software?
22:39 wizzyrea     yea, it runs on mssql
22:39 wizzyrea     :(
22:39 wizzyrea     I think that's the only reason
22:39 atz          it's definitely proprietary
22:40 wizzyrea     someone at some point told me that there was some hint of desire to make archivalware open source, but the database backend wouldn't allow it
22:40 Ropuch       Windows 2000 Server, Service Pack 2 or greater or Sun Server, Microsoft Internet Information Services 5.0 or greater, MSQL Server or Oracle
22:40 wizzyrea     AH ORACLE.
22:40 wizzyrea     YEs
22:40 wizzyrea     now I remember
22:40 chris        small steps :)
22:41 chris        at least they are moving in the right direction
22:41 atz          hah... have to support solaris as a defense contractor (which i like, actually)
22:41 moodaepo     So basically PTFS can combine ArchivalWare and Koha and sell it as long as they give their clients the koha side of the code?
22:41 chris        opensolaris is actually pretty nice
22:41 chris_n2     http://www.archivalware.net/index.html
22:42 chris        moodaepo: depends on how tight the integration is
22:42 atz          moodaepo: basically they sell archival ware and give you koha with it
22:42 chris        if it uses koha's api, then yep
22:42 atz          which it should be able to do fine, via the biblios and z39 APIs
22:42 chris        *nod*
22:43 moodaepo     Ugh ArchivalWare looks like crud compared to Koha...screenshots != in action : )
22:43 chris        screenshots are hard
22:44 chris        s/hard/lies/ :-)
22:44 Ropuch       hehe
22:44 moodaepo     s/screenshots/photoshops/ : )
22:46 * Ropuch     just spotted an opensolaris cap on os manual and live cd
22:59 moodaepo     @wunder 56001
22:59 munin        moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -2.4�C (4:53 PM CST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Rising).
23:49 IrmaCalyx    A quick question about Bugzilla � Bug 4042
23:49 IrmaCalyx
23:49 IrmaCalyx    When creating a NEW report can one change "Assigned To:  	 Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com>" ?
23:49 munin        04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4042 enhancement, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Public OPAC search can fall prey to web crawlers
23:50 chris        yeah it was a topic of the meeting this morning, we need new default assignees
23:50 Genji        hell.
23:50 chris        if you cant change it there (it doesnt ereally matter, they all go to the bugs mailing list so all get read) you can change it right after
23:50 chris        to someone you think makes more sense
23:51 IrmaCalyx    So, CALYX will leave it as is then as we are submitting a patch for it . OK?
23:51 chris        i always change it to me when i claim a bug .. the default one is just so its assigned to something, like i say, koha-bugs@lists.koha.org
23:51 chris        oh, swithc it to you
23:51 chris        if you are submitting a patch
23:51 chris        (you can do that when you attach the patch even, there is an option)
23:52 IrmaCalyx    Ok. Will sitch it when we submit the patch. :-)
23:55 chris        excellent :)
23:55 chris        yay for patches
23:57 IrmaCalyx    change of mind...switched it to Bob as he will see it through.
23:57 chris        :)
23:57 chris        that works
23:57 chris        its good to switch so others know its being worked on
23:57 chris        i often change status from new, to assigned also
23:59 IrmaCalyx    About PTFS...
23:59 chris        yep?