Time Nick Message 23:45 chris_n2 sad, but most likely true 23:45 chris was something like 40% or something horrid 23:40 brendan overheads-- 23:39 chris id estimate less than 1 goes to the actual coders 23:39 chris a big chunk will disappear in 'overheads' 23:39 chris if its anything like when i used to work for a university 23:39 chris i bet most of it disappears 23:38 chris heh 23:35 * chris_n2 could do *a lot* of coding on Koha for just a part of 2.4 million 23:13 Nate goodnight All! 22:22 chris you're darn tooting it is 22:22 chilts that's a lot of money 22:22 chris :-) 22:22 chris theres nothing that EG and Koha lack that 2.4 million US couldnt fix 22:19 owen Maybe that was the thing Koha and Evergreen lacked :) 22:19 chris well it doesnt exist yet .. but yeah, its probably likely 22:18 chilts bet it runs on Windoze too 22:18 chris using the same term as M$ use to create FUD about FLOSS .. nice work 22:18 chris http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/communitysource.mspx 22:17 chris i bet it's some half arsed not really open source thing 22:17 owen chris: Not only do they want to reinvent the wheel, they want to reinvent the term 22:16 chris have fun :) 22:16 schuster well off to the homefront - with community meetings tonight!! 22:16 chris http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/12849.html 22:15 chris what the hell is 'community source' ? 22:15 schuster giddy with excitement that might be it! whew! thanks Chris and Chris_n 22:06 chris libgdbm-dev 22:06 chris thats cos its gdbm sorry typo 22:04 schuster Ok finally got a chance to do the apt-get install libgdm-dev again and I get error package not found. 22:04 schuster back. 21:50 chris_n bbl 21:50 chris_n ok, 90 commits is now 35... 8 hours later :-P 21:43 chilts oopse, ww 21:42 chilts calcu 21:24 chris hi irma 20:20 JeremyShellhase Thanks chris_n, it was working with 2.29 for a while but no more 20:14 * chris_n goes back to flexing the power of git 20:13 chris_n the change will *probably* be made, but things move slowly in that world 20:13 chris_n JeremyShellhase: 3.2 on win32 is hopeful for 3.2, but no guarantees as it depends on a one line change in a core module of Perl itself 20:12 chris if you format patches based off that, that will be the way to go 20:12 chris JeremyLC: master branch, of git.koha.org 20:11 chris but chris_n is doing some great work 20:11 chris to be truthful, it isn't really a priority for a lot of the developers as we all work with FOSS 20:11 JeremyLC chris: which version should I work with if I want to be able to submit my changes back in? (I want my organization to have an available upgrade/support path after I'm gone) 20:11 chris_n inch by inch... or cm by cm whatever your preference 20:11 chris chris_n is working on it for 3.2.0 .. i think he is getting there 20:10 JeremyShellhase is there a later version for running under windows 20:09 chris unfortunately no JeremyShellhase, 2.2.9 is a very old and pretty much unsupported version of koha 20:08 JeremyShellhase I am working with Koha 2.29 windows XP - system is refusing to create item records, any ideas? 20:05 chris JeremyLC: it wouldn't actually be much work to add it, its just that because LL said they were, no one else was working on it 20:04 chris worth a crack 20:04 chris_n if, even 20:04 chris_n I'll update and see fif that fixes it 20:04 JeremyLC looks like it still uses only date rather than datetime 20:04 chris i have 1.6.3.3 20:03 chris_n 1.6.0.4 20:03 chris what version of git? 20:02 chris_n about every dozen times run in succession, git suddenly decides to load up *all* commits (500+) into the to-do list 20:01 chris_n git behaves badly during multiple interactive rebases 19:58 Ropuch Hi chris_n, chris_n owen ;-) 19:58 chris_n hi chris, Ropuch, JeremyLC 19:58 chris debian lenny is pretty easy now 19:58 * chris_n growls at git 19:58 Ropuch JeremyLC: good thing with dev versions is that they're shipped with just english, and install && test are really quick 19:57 JeremyLC I did it on a Debian system, configured for that purpose, and it took a lot of work 19:57 chris back 19:57 Ropuch Can't tell, my first install went smooth 19:57 owen JeremyLC: I managed my first Koha install on Ubuntu fairly well recently 19:55 Ropuch Hm 19:55 JeremyLC when I first tried 3.0 it was brutal 19:55 JeremyLC are the newer versions any easier to install? 19:54 JeremyLC yeah, I got it 19:54 Ropuch :) 19:54 Ropuch git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha-biblibre.git whatever 19:51 JeremyLC koha-biblibre.git ? 19:35 JeremyLC okay 19:35 nengard it has some more than HEAD has 19:35 nengard JeremyLC - you may also want to look at the BibLibre Community Branch 19:30 JeremyLC building git now, I'll grab the latest copy I can get and see what's there 19:30 JeremyLC Hmm.. 19:25 wizzyrea more* 19:25 wizzyrea Dan doesn't work at LL anymroe 19:24 nengard I understand 19:24 JeremyLC Well. I can look again at what it would take, but that may be a bit much for the time I have 19:23 nengard :( 19:23 nengard I haven't seen anyone else working on it 19:22 JeremyLC Of course, this leaves me in a bind, unless someone else already added hourly loans 19:22 wizzyrea because believe me, we understand 19:22 JeremyLC I imagine not 19:22 wizzyrea heh, you odn't have to talk to us about being frustrated with LL 19:15 JeremyLC It looks to me like their pricing would be too much for us anyway 19:14 JeremyLC It's a bit frustrating because I've been waiting since May (had other projects running, so not just sitting idle) 19:13 owen Maybe if we wait a little bit longer they'll release it. 19:13 wizzyrea yea, I wouldn't get involved with them at this juncture 19:12 JeremyLC They're welcome to do as they please, but it doesn't give me any incentive to do business with them 19:12 wizzyrea lot* 19:12 wizzyrea yea, they say that a log 19:11 JeremyLC >:( 19:11 JeremyLC I know, I have an EMail from Daniel Sweeney telling me they had it working, and that they were going to release it to the community 19:10 owen JeremyLC: "Hourly loans" is listed as one of the features of LibLime's proprietary version of Koha 19:10 JeremyLC I'm fairly certain we could do it in-house, but not fast enough to meet a looming deadline. 19:08 * chris has to catch his bus, but will bbiab 19:08 owen I'm pretty sure that feature was a LibLime promise. 19:08 chris not sure if that is one of those 19:08 chris most of those things, others have stepped up and implemented anyway, when it was clear the code was not coming 19:08 JeremyLC Oh, that may be an issue for us. (it was LibLime, IIRC) 19:07 chris not sure that in is there, ill check for you, I think that was something liblime promised, then decided not to share 19:05 JeremyLC Since we're a media lab, our students can get credit for their time spent here and we need to be able to track it 19:05 JeremyLC we have a 4 hour max checkout time for students, and 1 week for profs. 19:04 JeremyLC We need to track our checkouts by the minute, rather than by the date 19:04 chris what is the feature? 19:04 chris with this push of patches, we will hit 100 committers :) 19:04 JeremyLC Okay. I've been eagerly awaiting its release. It has (or should have) a feature we need to be able to use it at all 19:04 chris we are a bit behind schedule due to the fact that we lost a chunk of momentum when a company decided to withdraw from the community and it's staff needed to find new work, getting back on track now though 19:03 chris JeremyLC: the release manager is hoping to do a final push of commits in the next few days, and an alpha release 19:02 JeremyLC incidentally, have there been any updates on when 3.2 is due out? (The only thing I found on the official website said it was dues in Nov 2009) 18:46 nengard or the settings I'm putting in 18:46 nengard for all we know it's my computer :) 18:46 nengard I forget, but that's my next move to contact the author 18:46 schuster Talk to your boss' didn't that come out of BibLibre? 18:45 nengard i do - and i can't get the plugin to work 18:45 schuster nengard do you not have 3.2? 18:45 nengard I'll wait to document it then 18:44 nengard or a bug with the plugin against 3.2 18:44 nengard schuster - that's a good point - I didn't think about the fact that it might be a bug with 3.2 18:44 schuster yet. 18:44 schuster I have not nengard as I don't have 3.2 to test it against. 18:40 nengard has anyone used the FF offline circ plugin? I can't seem to get it save the item i'm trying to checkout and i'm wondering if my settings are wrong 18:37 schuster my authority searches don't work right so can't help with that... 18:37 jwagner It was a live link that tried to do a series search on the number when you clicked it. 18:36 jwagner No, this was showing up in the regular title display page, like this: Series: . Vol. 31 No. 28 Link# 18:31 schuster Only if they look at MARC though and how many library patrons do you know who will be doing that...! 18:28 jwagner But it's confusing the users. 18:28 jwagner Brute force approach would be to modify the template/XSLT, I suppose. 18:28 jwagner The problem is that it shows the $9 in the OPAC as a clickable link. 18:20 schuster You don't want it to link to an authority record in Koha? jwagner? or you don't want it to export that? 18:16 jwagner I don't see a link in the default framework to authorities. 18:15 jwagner OK, any good way to tell it to stop making that link? 18:08 paul_p jwagner: schuster is right. 17:58 jwagner schuster, thanks, I'll take a look at that. 17:45 kf schuster: you are right 17:38 schuster jwagner - $9 I believe is actually a link to the authority record in Koha not really the RLIN number. I've seen that in my catalog when I export the entire database. 17:29 owen Commit one thing, commit another thing, then squash the two together so you can submit just one patch for both changes. 17:28 wizzyrea ah 17:28 owen It's a git thing 17:28 wizzyrea I thought maybe it was a typo for squashing bugs 17:28 wizzyrea poor little commits 17:28 wizzyrea dk, that sounds like you're killing them off 17:27 wizzyrea I hate it, I can't explain why 17:27 wizzyrea text-transform: uppercase is my new nemesis 17:24 chris_n gmcharlt: *nod* 17:23 gmcharlt meanwhile, Koha and Evergreen will continue to grow and push out features 17:23 gmcharlt chris_n: ultimately, we'll all have to wait and see what OLE actually produces 17:22 nengard k - think maybe I'll restart and see how that goes 17:21 owen It seems to be working for me okay nengard 17:19 nengard I can get the page to open but when I click 'New' it's going way way way way slow 17:18 nengard anyone having trouble with bugs.koha.org? 17:17 owen Why is that pout-making? 17:16 * wizzyrea pouts 17:16 wizzyrea O.o You squash commits? 17:15 jwagner I un-hid the 440$9, but it won't let us delete that subfield. 17:14 jwagner Wierd cataloging problem here. A user cataloged a title by hand, no import or z39.50. He filled in 440$v volume & number info, and apparently Koha filled in by itself a 440$9 RLIN link. The 440$9 was hidden from view; he can't have filled it in himself. Where did that value come from? There's no default value or link in the framework. 17:12 * chris_n sighs and goes back to squashing commits 17:12 chris_n I commented here: http://oleproject.org/final-report-on-ole-project/http://oleproject.org/final-report-on-ole-project/ 17:11 chris_n galen comments here: http://oleproject.org/get-involved/ 17:11 owen This seems an odd question to me, from the overview comments: "Why doesn’t Koha circulation interoperate with Evergreen cataloguing for example?" 17:11 chris_n these guys strike me as a bit arrogant in their responses: http://oleproject.org/participants/ 17:10 owen In other words, "Koha doesn't quite do what we want, so we have to start over" ? 17:09 owen Thanks chris_n 17:08 chris_n owen: see sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl 17:08 owen "One of the key motivations of this project is to be able to manage print and electronic collections equally, and for the most part, Koha and Evergreen are still based on traditional library systems focusing on print collections." 17:07 chris_n owen: I think there is a script for that 17:07 chris_n owen: there is a comment here which mentions koha and eg: http://oleproject.org/overview/ 17:05 owen If the MARCXML data in biblioitems is out of sync with the data in items, how to get them in line? 17:04 chris_n I told them so, but I don't think I speak loud enough for an organization that big to hear :-P 17:02 owen I wonder if The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation knows that they rejected existing systems in favor of doing it themselves. 16:57 * chris_n stops ranting now 16:57 chris_n or even EG 16:57 chris_n like Koha :-) 16:57 chris_n dump it into an already existing FOSS ILS 16:57 chris_n what a perfect waste of money imho 16:56 chris_n http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14456 16:56 chris_n why do people insist on re-inventing the wheel? 16:56 owen Does that mean it's pulling from the MARCXML? 16:56 owen my @fields = $marcrecord->field($itemtag); 16:50 owen Where does the staff client's search results page get its item status information? 16:45 nengard hiya 16:45 owen Hi nengard 16:41 owen I nulled-out items.onloan right after importing. 16:40 owen Where else would Koha be getting information about what was checked out if not from the issues table? 16:40 wizzyrea weird 16:39 owen My test install has biblio records imported from our live system, but nothing from issues 16:39 wizzyrea no clue then 16:39 owen No. 16:39 wizzyrea on the hold shelf? 16:38 wizzyrea are those items on hold? 16:38 owen The search results page says things are checked out which aren't. 16:38 owen A question about something I'm seeing in my test install: item statuses on the search results page are not matching with what is on the detail page 16:36 * owen agrees 16:36 wizzyrea so there 16:36 wizzyrea :) 16:36 wizzyrea Ahh. Well it's 1. a dumb name and 2. confusing 16:35 owen Named so because someone wanted to be able to put their logo in the OPAC footer ;) 16:35 wizzyrea HAHAHA 16:35 chris_n just now loosing your mind? 16:35 wizzyrea owen, thanks 16:35 wizzyrea OMG 16:35 wizzyrea opac preferences, that is 16:35 owen opaccredits 16:35 wizzyrea ok I'm losing my mind... where's the opacfooter preference? I'm looking in the opac and it is just... not... there 16:26 owen gmcharlt++ 16:25 gmcharlt paul_p: yep, I'll go through them 16:12 paul_p could you include all our patches (on git.biblibre.com) ? 16:12 paul_p gmcharlt++ 16:11 gmcharlt paul_p: I'm working another final push of stuff in the next day or two to make up the 3.2 alpha 16:10 paul_p did I miss something, or I didn't see any new push from you since thanksgiving in git.koha.org ? 16:09 paul_p fine, thanks (although a little bit old -see below ;-) - ) 16:09 gmcharlt paul_p: ok, how are you? 16:09 paul_p hi gmcharlt. How are you ? 15:56 * chris_n is busy squashing 90 commits now 15:56 gmcharlt chris_n: cool 15:56 chris_n I'll be submitting a pull req for the new patron card creator today or tomorrow 15:55 chris_n heya gmcharlt 15:55 gmcharlt chris_n: pong 15:55 chris_n gmcharlt: ping 15:55 munin chris_n: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 6 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> at LL, I mean 15:55 chris_n @seen gmcharlt 15:53 owen I see that USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE is also not accounted for in the template 15:52 owen Yes 15:44 jwagner owen, current head? 15:44 owen ...except I don't have any overdues 15:44 owen The comment in Circulation.pm says " ## remaining overdue documents" 15:43 owen That's the condition that the template isn't displaying an error message for jwagner 15:43 owen USERBLOCKEDREMAINING 15:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4035 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Today's checkouts grouped with previous checkouts 15:30 owen Bug 4035 is the bug that keeps on bugging. It reappears every time Koha gets a significant upgrade. 15:22 jwagner Buggy code somewhere about eligibility for checkout. 15:22 jwagner owen, I've seen that when there is some "condition" on a patron checkout but the message isn't displaying. (Like too much $$ owed, other blocks, etc.) 15:19 owen Oooh, this circ error message is new to me: http://zivotdesign.com/examples/circ-error-message.png 15:17 jwagner The script itself should probably be run at least once an hour. 15:17 owen I can see the reaction of the shelving flunkies now: "Meh, no hurry, it'll say 'cart' for another 10 minutes." 15:16 owen Okay, thanks. 15:16 jwagner owen, see the cron script shelf_to_cart.pl -- one of the parameters is how long (in hours) items should stay on the cart. After that, they revert to their "real" locations. 15:14 owen If the ReturnToShelvingCart system preference is on, how and when does the "CART" location go away? 15:05 chris_n very cool info 15:05 chris_n found the answer here: http://codeutopia.net/blog/2009/12/10/git-interactive-rebase-tips/ 14:50 chris_n ie. the commit contains changes to two files, but there should have been a commit made for each file separately 14:49 chris_n any thoughts on going back and splitting up a commit made, say, 50 commits ago? 14:49 chris_n ok git gurus... 14:37 kf happy birthday paul_p 14:26 schuster Happy Happy Birthday oh Happy happy day... 14:26 paul_p schuster: jan, 9th 14:26 schuster What day Paul? My youngest had a birthday on Jan 6th... He is now 5. We had a lego party at our house this weekend 15 5 year olds! ahhhh.... 14:25 paul_p fortunatly: I missed ALL birthday of my 4 childrens last year, so they promised "we won't be there for your dad", but in fact, they stayed at home, and we eated a good cake ;-) 14:24 magnus congrats, paul_p! 14:24 owen :O 14:24 paul_p is was not very happy in fact: my wife bought me gift, and it was stolen while she was looking somewhere else in the mall. So no new watch... 14:23 jwagner paul_p, it's still early in the morning here. Subtle cues are wasted.... 14:23 paul_p ahhh... enfin... /me though noone would understand I was waiting for a happy birthday :D 14:23 jwagner Yes, happy birthday paul_p! 14:22 owen A belated happy birthday to you paul_p ! 14:22 schuster Paul_p good luck!!! Good Developers++++ 14:22 schuster Good Catholic parents in the cold Minnesota weather! 14:21 chris_n and the guy in the next office to me is on the 19th... he'll be 41 this year as well 14:21 schuster Drat I hate being the oldest! Even though I'm the youngest of 8 in my family! 14:21 chris_n you got me beat... I'm on the 17th 14:21 schuster cinco de mayo! May 5th 14:20 paul_p today /me investigates some resumes for hiring a new developer... a very very very good one, but very very very expensive too... will probably investigate a very good one, for a good -including for us- salary ;-) 14:20 jwagner I have you all beat, but I'm not saying by how much :-) 14:19 chris_n what day schuster? 14:19 * chris_n will also be 41 in May 14:19 schuster I'll be 41 in May... 14:19 schuster memory leaks... Can I get more? 14:19 paul_p jdavidb: :D 14:18 jdavidb paul, you're not old enough to have memory problems. If you are, I should be worried; I'll be 42 in June. 14:18 owen The middle one, Thatcher, was born 3 years ago next week 14:18 owen That's right, I almost forgot 14:17 schuster Hey all. owen was very nervous to attend Kohacon2009 due to baby on the way! 14:17 paul_p owen: I think I knew this one. I should have missed the 2nd one. Or maybe i become too old & have memory problems (just reached 42 this week end ;-) ) 14:17 chris_n howdy paul_p 14:16 jwagner Good morning paul_p 14:16 paul_p hello jdavidb & chris_n & Nate & jwagner & schuster, and anyone else on #koha 14:16 owen Petra was born in May 2009 14:16 owen Yes, 3! 14:16 * owen counts on his fingers 14:15 owen Hang on... 14:15 paul_p owen: you have 3 kids ? that's one more than what I thought. there is a new baby with the new year ? 14:14 jwagner The public library? (*grin*) 14:14 owen But I have three kids. Where will I sleep if not at work? 14:13 * magnus agrees 14:13 jwagner I have a better idea. Let's skip to Saturday. 14:13 * jdavidb suggests that we just give Monday-Thursday a miss this week, and skip right to Friday. 14:10 owen Hi 13:52 jdavidb howdy. 13:52 chris_n heya owen, jdavidb 13:35 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is -6.4�C (8:33 AM EST on January 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). 13:35 jdavidb @wunder 20852 13:15 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -6.1�C (8:09 AM EST on January 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). 13:15 chris_n @wunder 28334 13:15 chris_n g'morning 13:01 jwagner Mornin' 13:00 Nate Hello Everyone 12:46 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (5:40 PM IST on January 11, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 12:46 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 09:53 kf hi Amit 09:51 Amit heya kf 09:22 kf hi chris and Peach 09:21 Peach kf 09:21 Peach hi kdf 09:21 chris hiya kf 09:21 kf hi #koha 09:20 Peach oh i get the picture now. thanks a lot :) 09:20 chris you have to send a patch, if you want it to go in the main repo (for others to use) 09:20 chris its not like cvs or svn 09:20 chris committing just keeps it in your repo 09:20 chris the change is local 09:20 Peach - -" the change might not be clean... 09:20 chris so everyone has a repo 09:19 chris git is a distributed version system 09:19 chris you commit too :) 09:19 Peach hmm... so i should learn how to use git then 09:19 Peach oh... ok ok i just update not commit 09:19 Peach ah... i see but i don't know if the modifications i made are okay to be up there 09:17 chris (where you dont need to upgrade) 09:17 Peach i see 09:17 chris dev install is meant for installing from git 09:17 Peach well i never used git and actually quite new to ubuntu 09:16 Peach oh - -" 09:16 chris ahh well then you dont have a real dev install :) 09:16 Peach i downloaded the tarball from koha website 09:16 Peach i didn't use git 09:16 chris from which branch? 09:16 Peach i mean the dev install, sorry 09:15 chris koha-dev ? 09:15 Peach I just installed koha-dev last week. I wonder what approach I should take when the new version of koha comes out. 09:15 chris fire away 09:14 Peach Um... I have a question about upgrading koha. 09:13 Peach so happy I can now see them!! 09:13 Peach :) I'm new here. Tried several times to get in but I used the web-based one and couldn't see any messages I typed... 09:12 chris hi Peach 09:12 Peach hi all 09:04 chris it still needs a lot of testing and there will need to be work done fixing circular dependencies before we can use it in production 09:02 chris same apache2 same mod_perl, different variables (ie using different koha_conf) 09:01 paul_p ok, so each library has his own "mod_perl" (or something like that) 09:01 chris paul_p: the way i get round it is is a different startup.pl for each virtualhost 08:55 imp meeeh, somebody bricked the forwarding for my koha... 08:55 chris the main worry is that i bet it leaks ram, because there are some circular dependencies 08:55 chris paul_p: or they will all end up using the same koha_conf 08:53 imp yeah, cookiejar 08:53 chris imp: you will have to tweak it some (change the user:password etc) 08:53 imp chris: thanks 08:52 chris no, you just have to be careful with environment variables 08:52 paul_p chris: you write "seems fine under mod_perl", but i'm sure there is a major problem is you have multiple Koha on your server ! (unless you use a specific apache configuration you'll told me ;-) ) 08:48 chris in misc/load_testing 08:48 chris its in the git repo 08:47 imp chris: can i download the benchmarkscript somewhere? 08:42 chris paul_p: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/01/11/koha-benchmarking/ 07:25 Ropuch Hi chris 07:24 chris hi Ropuch 07:23 Ropuch Morning #koha 06:44 * chris is working on his presentation for the education mini-conf as part of lca2010 06:42 nicomo hi chris 06:42 chris hi nicomo 06:42 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 06:42 chris @later tell schuster apt-get install libgdm-dev 06:40 nicomo hi Amit 06:33 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 9.0�C (11:30 AM IST on January 11, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 06:33 Amit @wunder New Delhi India 06:31 Amit heya nicomo 04:59 schuster thanks talk to ya all tomorrow! 04:59 schuster When I run the make to install koha it tells me I don't have prerequisite XML::LibXSLT 1.59 so can't figure out how to get this one going. 04:58 schuster When I run the Makefile.PL int he XML-LibXSLT-1.70... directory it tells me it can't find -lgdbm and errors out. suggestions? 04:57 schuster chris_n gave me a couple of clues for my libgdm-dev issue with XML-LibXSLT but I'm not able to apt-get libgdm-dev it tell sme invalid operation libgdm-dev or even lgdbm. 04:55 schuster anybody hanging out and awake? 04:02 chris_n2 so I'm off to sleep 04:02 * chris_n2 's Koha on Win32 work stops being fun