Time Nick Message 03:50 Amit heya brendan, chris 04:55 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 04:55 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 25.0�C (9:40 AM IST on December 29, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 08:20 Amit heya nicomo 08:20 nicomo hello Amit 08:20 nicomo hello all 10:36 Peach Hi all. 10:40 Peach I'll just leave a message here. I need some help. Our koha setup was working fine until yesterday. There's a strange behavior. We imported items into koha then we search for them. The search results show items in the reservoir instead of the catalog. I checked the database and all items got in the correct tables. 10:42 Peach Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks. Will check back later. 11:20 zico hi... 11:20 zico i need to delete some duplicate item records 11:21 zico when.. i delete one... another one goes too 11:21 zico :( 11:27 zico i need to get rid of this situation 11:27 zico because.. i have more than 100 duplicate records 11:28 zico and.. i need to delete those duplicate items... but.. cannot do it because of this problem 11:35 zico why this is happening?? 11:35 zico if i delete one item record.. another duplicate one is gone too!!! 11:50 Amit @wunder New Delhi, india 11:50 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 19.0�C (5:00 PM IST on December 29, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 11:50 Amit @wunder Dehradun 11:50 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 20.0�C (2:30 PM IST on December 29, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa. 11:50 Amit @wunder Bangalore 11:50 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (2:30 PM IST on December 29, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. 13:57 jwagner @wunder 20740 13:57 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is -1.7�C (8:55 AM EST on December 29, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM EST this evening... 13:58 owen @wunder 45701 13:58 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is -4.4�C (8:47 AM EST on December 29, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa (Rising). 14:00 owen Are there instructions on the wiki for how to generate a set of templates from a translation? 14:03 hilongo how to generate templates files from a translated po file? 14:04 owen Yes 14:06 hilongo I made a mini tutorial ... but way back for ver 2.x ... 14:07 hilongo maybe it's still usefull 14:07 owen I don't think so 14:07 hilongo http://www.kohadocs.org/KOHAtranslation/translation.html 14:07 owen Oh, that was what I was just looking at 14:07 * owen checks it again 14:10 owen I get "Charset in/out: UTF-8 at ./tmpl_process3.pl line 257. Unknown action specified." 14:10 owen Oh hang on, typo 14:15 owen Yeah, it looks like it did work! 14:15 owen Thanks hilongo 14:17 hilongo you're welcome owen :) 14:27 nengard should i put that tutorial in the new manual? 14:35 owen nengard: I thought kohadocs.org was generally out of date, so if those instructions *are* up-to-date for 3.x they should be copied to the manual or the wiki or both 14:35 nengard owen - did you use them? did they work? if so they're up to date and I will put them in the current manual :) 14:46 nengard that was a serious question - not me being sarcastic - did I read right? you just used these instructions? and was the typo yours or in the doc? 14:54 hilongo there a more up to date instruction in the wiki ... but they are in spanish only :( 14:54 nengard hmmmm - 14:54 nengard well, we'll have a spanish version of the manual eventually :) hehe 14:55 owen nengard: The only part of those instructions I used were the input examples under part 4 14:55 nengard hmm - guess I'll hold off on it 14:55 hilongo I can translate... but not until next year :P 14:56 nengard hehe - that works for me ;) you can send it to me whenever and I'll be sure to credit you as the translator 14:56 owen nengard: We'll have a spanish version of the manual eventually because Plone makes it so easy to translate stuff. :P 14:56 hilongo oki 14:56 nengard owen - not plone 14:56 nengard i don't use plone 14:56 nengard i'm doing it in xml and it's in git 14:56 nengard it will be on the web as soon as we have a new web home 14:56 owen Sorry, I *was* being sarcastic ;) 14:57 nengard http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kohadocs;a=summary 14:57 hilongo hehe :) 14:57 nengard hehe - yeah - and i was backing up that sarcasm with my agreement that plone wasn't the right answer - not what i thought it would be 14:58 owen nengard: Have you worked out any of the issues you were having with the html-generation process? 14:58 nengard i have to work on the XSLT -- which I havne't done yet 14:58 nengard and then I need help with the CSS to make it all look prettier 14:58 nengard :) 14:58 nengard but i don't care so much about it's appearance if it's up and readable and printable that's a start 14:59 nengard which reminds me i should go check out the xslt file 14:59 * owen is working on the CSS for the language footer in the OPAC this morning, hence the need for some installed translations 15:01 nengard ahhhh 15:01 nengard while on the footer you might want to look at my newish footer bug as well 15:01 owen Yup, that's the plan 15:01 nengard i unfortunatly have to do this: http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/CustomMethods.html#CustomizationLayer i think 15:02 * owen 's eyes glaze over... 15:19 nengard yeah owen - mine too!! 15:39 owen Did the OPAC's language footer used to be "sticky," sticking to the bottom of the page? Or am I remembering something I tried but rejected? 15:50 owen Hey, when did Howard County dump Koha? 15:51 jwagner ? they did? 15:51 hilongo Yes ... it used to be sticky 15:51 owen jwagner: They've got aquabrowser + SirsiDynix now 15:53 owen libwebcats still says Koha/Liblime: http://www.librarytechnology.org/diglib-fulldisplay.pl?SID=20091229625091552&code=lwc&RC=1544&Row=5 15:53 owen But if you search from their home page you get: http://aquabrowser.hclibrary.org/?q=cryptonomicon 15:54 rhcl How can you tell they are Sirsi? 15:55 rhcl The layout of search results does remind me of Unicorn. 15:57 owen If you click to request a title you get taken to a page like this: http://hip.hclibrary.org/uPortal/tag.idempotent.render.userLayoutRootNode.uP?uP_sparam=activeTab&index1=BIB&props=REMOTE&doSearch=true&term1=379284&uP_tparam=props&activeTab=2&uP_reload_layout=true 15:57 owen (nice URL guys) 15:58 rhcl yep 15:59 jwagner The last I heard on Howard County, which was a long time ago now, they still weren't live on Koha. Maybe that's still the case? 15:59 owen Wow nengard, a response from a LibLimer to one your bugzilla nags 15:59 nengard huh? what? really? 16:00 nengard ahh - bev - yes she's still involved as much as she can be 16:03 nengard jwagner yeah i think that's the case - still not live ... 16:05 owen A three-year migration process? Is that more typical than I think? 16:06 jwagner I seem to remember they were doing a LOT of custom work. Maybe that's the holdup? 16:08 chris im pretty sure howard county have dumped liblime 16:11 chris and in turn, koha 16:11 nengard :( 16:12 nengard shame that that has to be the stroy 16:12 nengard or story 16:13 chris polaris was the whisper i heard 16:14 chris so they never actually made it to koha 16:16 owen What a shame. It would be fascinating to know what failures of Koha itself led to that decision. 16:17 chris i think a lot of balls in play, a new director who doesnt like/understand opensource, plus dissatisfaction with LL ... like you say 3 years is a long time 16:18 chris my fear is LL tarnishing Koha 16:18 chris which if you read things like katrin kopf's thesis .. and comments around the web is a real danger 16:19 chris bad support by one company, rubs off on the rest of us 16:19 owen It would be a shame to find that the explosion of Koha use spurred by Liblime was actually causing a backlash that will set Koha back 16:19 chris that would be a real shame yes 16:26 chris ok, pain killers kicking in, back to sleep i go 16:58 owen I wonder if Bug 3765 is a Frenchism? 16:58 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3765 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Road Types on Patron Record Confusing 16:58 nengard putting the road type first? 16:58 nengard hmmm ... hope not - cause I patched it :) 16:59 owen Right: "7 rue de Nesle" 16:59 owen number, street, street name 16:59 nengard good 16:59 nengard so it did need patching 17:01 owen Is it related to Bug 3349? 17:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3349 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, jeanandre.santoni@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, display of address truncated 17:02 nengard yes, but i patched that too 17:02 nengard on a diff bug - off to find that bug number so i can link the two together 17:03 nengard owen - i think i cleared it up and closed the right things 17:03 nengard let me know if you find others 17:05 nengard hmmm - not fixed ... wierd - okay i need to poke some more 17:06 nengard owen - do you know why each of the tabs on the left of the patron record has a different version of the patron address above it - shouldn't they all be the same include? 17:09 owen I think it's two includes: circ-menu.inc and member-menu.inc 17:10 nengard hmmm 17:10 nengard off to check them both out 17:11 owen We may have had two because not all pages provided the same data to all templates 17:15 nengard owen - i only see the two you mentioned, and yet all of my pages are displaying different info -which i think means it's in the *.pl - so now i need to check them all 17:15 nengard bleh - 17:30 nengard all but 3 fixed 17:35 nengard anyone on who knows perl? 17:35 nengard I can solve all but 3 of the files cause these three do things diff from the others 17:36 owen I don't know perl, but I'm curious what you're looking at 17:37 nengard okay - so here are the files: members/notices.pl is not showing the address right on the left side 17:37 nengard and members/moremember.pl is -- but only after my file edits 17:37 nengard but in the two files you'll see how the patron info is pulled into the template differently - which is why i'm stuck 17:41 nengard owen - sent in a patch 17:41 nengard so you can see what i changed 17:48 owen nengard: That patch doesn't apply for me. 17:48 nengard oh geeze 17:48 nengard why the heck not!!!! 17:51 owen does it depend on the first patch you attached to Bug 3765? 17:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3765 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Road Types and Street Numbers on Patron Rec Inconsistent 17:51 nengard owen - probably - i changed the same files - some of the same files again 17:52 owen Those two applied fine in sequence. 17:54 owen nengard: I think this street number + road type issue is a red herring for American libraries. I think it's relevant only to French libraries. 17:55 owen If you move the road type display to the end of the address, you're mangling the construction from the point of view of the French users (I think) 17:55 nengard owen - yeah cause most us libraries don't use all three fields, but still it should work 17:55 nengard wait - i thought you said I did it right .... 17:56 owen In "7 rue de Nesle" "rue" is the road type. 17:56 nengard hmmmmm 17:56 nengard and grrrr 17:56 nengard cause i do know us libraries using the road type field 17:56 nengard as an authorized value 17:57 nengard so - now what the heck do we do? 17:57 owen And they just live with the fact that addresses display strangely? 17:59 nengard i guess ... but maybe a sys pref - i know it's an ugly word -but a pref to say what field goes where -- 18:01 owen That's one of the problems with a construction like this being in the Perl code and not the template: my $address = $borrower->{'streetnumber'}.' '.$roadttype_hashref->{$borrower->{'streettype'}}.' '.$borrower->{'address'}; 18:01 owen Now that string is hard-coded, and you can't rearrange it in the template based on TMPL_IFs 18:01 nengard so - you recommend us putting it in the template instead? cause that can be done 18:02 nengard I know how to edit the PL files to do that 18:02 owen At this point it would just be a best-practice thing. Without some kind of system for switching the layouts (like a sys pref) doing so wouldn't solve the problem. 18:03 nengard I'm going to update the bug report and ask for my patches to be ignored 18:07 owen It's frustrating, because to an American audience at least, the road types serve no purpose, and separating out the street number serves no purpose. 18:07 nengard now - can someone remind me how to un-apply patches? so I can get my files back to the way they were before all of my edits? 18:08 owen Do you want to reset your branch to HEAD, or back to a previous commit? 18:08 nengard owen - I think that this comes into play with the enhancement request to allow us to pick what patron fields show ... and i want to revert 2 specific patches - but not go back to HEAD 18:09 nengard and where is everyone else? are we the only two working today?? :) hehe 18:09 owen Oh no it's Sunday and we forgot!!! 18:09 nengard LOL 18:11 owen nengard: If you do "git log" you'll see a list of the last commits (type "q" to stop displaying further pages) 18:12 nengard k - i found the two i want to revert 18:12 nengard what do i type to do that? 18:12 owen Look for the commit you want to revert back to. It'll be identified like this "commit f0132aeb715b068651b0ecce90921599a88ca50d" 18:13 owen Then you can: 18:13 nengard okay - here's the prob 18:13 owen git reset --hard f0132aeb715b068651b0ecce90921599a88ca50d 18:13 nengard yeah - you know what - i'll do that 18:13 nengard now - another question - how are you applying patches? 18:14 nengard sorry - patches written by others 18:14 owen I only apply a patch from others if I need to test it, or if I need to have it applied in order to work on something else 18:15 owen So I always create a separate branch for it 18:16 nengard k - but how do you get a patch that hasn't been committed? I know how to do a new branch and pull from git - but not how to grab a patch that hasn't been committed and apply it 18:16 owen If there's not a bug report with a patch attached, I just save the plain text of the email to the patches list 18:17 owen So in GMail I use the "Show original" menu option 18:17 owen ...and then just save that page. 19:14 nelsonf Hello everyone, I'm having trouble with e-mail notices via the trigger for ODUE. Anybody have a minute for specifics? 19:35 owen-away nelsonf: Not only is there hardly anyone here today, there's no one new since yesterday 19:57 nelsonf I was here yesterday morning, I think maybe you were around then... 19:58 nelsonf Do you have any time for helping me troubleshoot the e-mail notifcations? 19:58 owen I don't have any experience with it, so my help would be of no use 19:59 nelsonf Okay, thanks anyway! 20:20 wizzyrea nelsonf: did you try posting your query to the users list? 20:21 wizzyrea lots of capable admins there, and they are more likely to check their mail than be here 20:21 wizzyrea at least this week. 20:21 nelsonf Funny you should ask 20:22 nelsonf I'm searching the list as we speak to see whether others have had similar issues 20:23 nelsonf No, I haven't posted there. I'll have to give it a go... thanks 22:12 nelsonf adios all 23:19 schuster only 27 idlers must be the holidays! 23:20 schuster anybody running Kyle Halls VM on windows? I think Owen was, but missed him today.